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Pulitzer Prize-Winning Poet Levine Reflects on Factory Life in Detroit

Jeffrey Brown profiles Philip Levine, a former auto worker who became a Pulitzer Prize-winning poet.

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    Finally tonight: a poet at work writing of work.

    Jeffrey Brown talks to Philip Levine.

  • PHILIP LEVINE, poet:

    "We stand in the rain in a long line waiting at Ford Highland Park for work. You know what work is. If you're old enough to read this, you know what work is, although you may not do it."


    At 82, Philip Levine is author of some 20 volumes of verse and one of the nation's most honored poets, with a Pulitzer and numerous other prizes. But he started life in Detroit working in auto plants.

    So, these feel familiar to you?

    Levine recently joined me at the Yancey Richardson Gallery in New York. He had written an essay for an exhibition of photographs by Andrew Moore that capture a lost world of Detroit: an old school, homes, and factories including Ford's River Rouge plant, where Levine himself once worked.


    When I was a young guy working in these places and didn't see a way out as yet — and I certainly didn't think the way out would be poetry.


    Where did the poetry come from?


    No one knows where poetry comes from. I had been writing poetry from the age of 14. It was just something I loved doing. I loved language. I — I recognized that I had a facility for it. My teachers praised me to the skies, which was wonderful.


    Levine graduated from Wayne State University and left the auto plants behind. He taught at Fresno State in California for many years, and he and his wife, Franny (ph), now divide their time between Fresno and New York.

    You have kept writing about Detroit to this day. You have kept writing about work. Did — did that become a kind of mission, almost, if that's the right word?


    Well, one thing I was struck by very young, in my middle 20s, very young, was that I didn't see any work, written work, about this experience — as far as poetry, zero. So, I actually did at one time say to myself, hey, there's a whole world here no one has touched.


    A lot of your poems tell stories about people from the past and work. There's one even in the current collection, "An Extraordinary Morning."

    Would you read the beginning of that?



    "An Extraordinary Morning."

    "Two young men, you just might call them boys, waiting for the Woodward streetcar to get them downtown, yes, they're tired. They're also dirty and happy, happy because they have finished a short workweek. And, if they're not rich, they're as close to rich as they will ever be in this town."


    Over the decades, Philip Levine has written about many subjects and places. Engaged with politics and events around him, he writes, as he titled his most recent book, the news of the world.

    We started out talking about your life in the factories. Many years later, you have made a life as a poet. Does that surprise you?


    Oh, God, yes. Oh, I mean, I'm stunned.

    One of the things that made it happen was pure luck. On my 26th birthday, I met my present wife. And how many women could stay with a guy who has no prospects and wants to write poetry and stay with him now 55 years?

    Sometimes, she worked, so that I can sit home and scribble. And she honors what I'm doing. And I think that is the most crucial thing, to be honored, as a poet, even if it — not by a nation, because a nation is an abstraction, but just to be honored by this person, or that person, or especially by your wife, or your brothers, or your mother, father, I mean, it's just fantastic. It keeps you going in a way that nothing else could keep you going.


    All right, Philip Levine, nice to talk to you.


    Thank you.