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Responses and Comments #7
May 9, 1997
Question:
Reading your descriptions of what is involved in washing
clothes, hair, etc., and the freezing results, I have
probably a very simple, practical question. How does
anything ever dry out?
Shirley Johnson
Topeka, Kansas
Response from Base Camp:
On a good day we will have enough sunshine to dry our
clothes while they hang from makeshift laundry lines strung
between tents. However, we frequently get snow showers in
the afternoon and have to bring our wet clothes in for the
night—sometimes it will take a few days until they are
dry.
Question:
Hi everyone. I hope all is well on the roof of the world.
I'm specifically interested in how you feel and what you do
when you reach the summit, in detail! Do you just take in
the view for a while and then head down? Do you go all quiet
and spiritual? Or are you overcome with emotion? Do you
laugh? Do you cry? Do you hold your arms in the air like an
athlete who has just won a race? Do you scream at the top of
your voice? Do you kiss the snow? Do you think of your loved
ones? Do you perhaps feel more humble and insignificant than
triumphant? Is it hard to leave after only half an hour? I'd
appreciate any feedback you can give me on this. Good luck
guys and thanks for this opportunity to interact.
Colin Sevitt
Sydney, Australi
Response from Base Camp:
Great questions—stayed tuned for our feature "Into the
Death Zone" which will give an in-depth look at the summit
day.
Question:
After the tragedy of last year's expeditions on the part of
Rob Hall and Scott Fischer, do you plan to summit Everest in
a different fashion than previous years? Will it just be a
matter of keeping an eye on the weather? Also, David is
there any plans in the future to summit Everest vis-a-vis
the West Ridge Route such as the Hornbein Expedition did
several years ago?
Jason Jordan
St. Louis, MI
Response:
Our climbers will be climbing the south col route which is
the same one as Rob Hall and Scott Fischer climbed last
year. At this time, David has no plans to attempt the West
Ridge route.
Question:
Much of this climb is focusing on the affects on the mind
and body at high altitude. How does your body feel when you
return home (assuming "home" is somewhere around sea level)
after a long period of time at very high altitude? Do you
feel super human with all those extra red blood cells? Do
you find that your resting heart rates are even lower than
they were before you began your climb?
And emotionally, do you find that you suffer something akin
to separation anxiety or post-partum depression?
Thank you and best wishes for a safe and successful
expedition.
Larry Buttrey
Long Beach, CA
Response from David Carter:
When I return from an expedition, I have lost so much weight
while living at high altitude that I sleep for a couple of
weeks. I usually don't feel like doing any exercise for at
least a month—much of that is due to mental
exhaustion.
Question:
We are a 7th grade class from the Seattle area reading
Ullman's "Banner in the Sky." We have been following your
climb this year, and have read about the 1996 tragedy.
1. How does Everest compare to the Alps? Have any of you
scaled the Matterhorn? How are they different?
2. Obviously, peak physical conditioning is required. What
do you do during the off-season to prepare for the rigors of
working out in such thin air?
3. What does yak tea taste like? Hummm hummm good, we
bet!
Best of luck to you all- we look forward to seeing the IMAX
film!
John Mejlaender
Carnation, WA
Response from Base Camp:
On average the Himalayan mountains are much taller than the
Alps. Because of the high altitude in the Himalayan
mountains the conditions can be extreme and more challenging
for climbing. There are also huge areas that are
uninhabitable because of the altitude.
Please look at former responses to how our climbers train
for their climbing expeditions.
Some yak cheese can be very stinky while other types are
mild and can be quite good.
Question:
David, Glad to hear you are back on the mountain.
Tomorrow night is the NY section of AAC film festival ...
understand we have a "tease" of your IMAX that is going to
be shown. Looking forward to it. Curious what the various
expeditions are doing for weather forecasts this year? Good
luck on the climb.
Sincerely,
Joe Witte
New York, New York
Response from Base Camp:
We do not know what the other expeditions are doing for
their weather forecasts. We receive a daily forecast from a
UK organization that specializes in upper air forecasts for
the Himalayan region.
Comment:
Hi David,
This is so cool to be talking to you while you are climbing
Mt. Everest. I am going to call your mom and dad tonight to
tell them I e-mailed you . It looks like you are up to Camp
III. I can't imagine going through the physical strain you
all must be going through. Hang in there David and I hope
you reach the summit soon. I know what a quest this has been
for you and am very glad to see your dream about to come
true. God speed to you and your companions!
Your Friend,
Jim Taylor
Indianapolis, IN
Response from David Carter
I appreciate your support and well wishes. I'm feeling
strong and looking forward to heading up the mountain.
Question:
How much mixed climbing is involved climbing Everest? Does
it depend on the route? Also, what is the temperature
difference between Base Camp and the summit? Good luck to
each of you and Godspeed.
James Wetzel
Response from Pete Athans:
The only mixed climbing of the South Col route is
approximately 100 metres on the yellow band and 15 metres on
the Hillary Step. Presently the temperature at base camp is
approximately 40F. during the day and 20F. at night. On the
summit the temperature is approximately an extreme of -40F,
but more likely -10 F. to 0F. all depending on winds
.
Question:
Dave Carter:
Although the combination of deep snow and high winds
temporarily prevented the Indonesians from making an attempt
on the summit, does the aftermath of such a storm
drastically raise the potential for an avalanche? and if
so... how long does this period of additional risk last?
What additional precautions can be taken to avoid
catastrophe? Hope this topic isn't taboo!?!? Anyway, it's
been great to follow your trek. Good Luck Dude!
Chris Striebeck
Indianapolis, IN
Response from David Carter:
As of now, there is no real avalanche danger, but in the
icefall there is always the potential for a serac fall. Keep
following me on the web and i'll buy you a beer when I get
back to Indy.
Question:
I have been in contact with Dr. Peter Hackett who referred
me to this page in regards to my senior project. I am
studying the effects of altitude on myself and two partners
during a three week climb of Denali's West Buttress. I will
be monitoring for cognitive, sensory, and motor deficits.
During my extensive literature review finding specific
examples of the types of tests administered by other
investigators has been quite difficult. So far one of the
most helpful resources has been this page and the tests
posted on it and created by Gail Rosenbaum. I was hoping
that one of the investigators might be able to offer
assistance in finding more tests like the ones posted here.
Specifically the Stroop test, Verbal Puzzles, and
Remembering Sentences. My goal is to find enough of these
tests to collect data twice daily on three people for three
weeks. I am also interested in where I might find an
oximeter to measure pulse rate and oxygen saturation, as
well as how to measure lung size and capacity. Is lung
capacity the same as forced vital capacity? And would a
spirometer be the instrument to measure it? What is peak
expiratory flow? Are you measuring finger-tapping speed? If
so how? Is the Automated Performance Test System (APTS)
being administered and do you know where the software can be
found? How is HVR measured?
I appreciate any help you may be able to offer. Anything
will surely be of help, especially considering I leave May
30th for the climb.
Thanks, and Climb On!!
Greg Barrett
Anchorage, Alaska
Response from Dr. Howard Donner:
A good source for lightweight pulse oximeters is Chinook
Medical Gear Inc. (970-328-2100) in Eagle, Colorado.
For the neurological tests the following papers will be of
assistance:
"The Cost To The Central Nervous System Of Climbing To
Extremely High Altitude," Tf. Hornbein,
"Do Climbs To Extreme Altitudes Persistent Memory Impairment
After High Altitude Climbing," G. Cavaletti,
"Brain Damage After High-Altitude Climbs Without Oxygen," G.
Cavaletti,
"Long-Lasting Neuropsychological Changes After A Single High
Altitude Climb," G. Cavaletti,
"Neuropsychological Functioning After Prolonged High
Altitude Exposure In Mountaineering," Cf. Clark.
Question:
I have been interested in the subject of Acute High Altitude
Sickness since my brother, Edward (also a former Cheley
Camper as is Dr. Tom Hornbein), died of it during a 1976
ascent of Mt. McKinley. The weather was bad and the party
could not get him to a lower elevation. The malady seems to
strike without a great deal of predictability. The climber
can have previously gone to an elevation several times
before without incidence, and then for some reason on a
subsequent ascent to that elevation be stricken. Have you
been able to identify any precursors that might signal its
onset or any predisposing factors? Is there a threshold
elevation where it presents itself and an elevation above
which it seems to be of little problem? What precautions
have the team taken to avoid it and why was it believed that
this course of action would prevent the onset? If that has
not been totally successful in avoiding High Altitude
Sickness, what would you have done differently? Who has had
it, at what elevations?
Jim Guleke
Austin, TX
Response from Dr. Howard Donner:
Interestingly there have been numerous recent observations
that climbers with preexisting upper respiratory infections
(often viral) are predisposed to HAPE (High Altitude
Pulmonary Edema). This may explain some cases of seemingly
random HAPE in individuals whose prior climbing history
suggested no predisposition.
Climbers often report the unexpected onset of HAPE. With
closer scrutiny of the ascent profile there are often subtle
changes from one climb to the next. An extra staging or rest
day at the same altitude can influence the potential for
development of HAPE. Some have conjectured that other
variables including diet (ie, salt intake) may cause changes
in susceptibility but this has been poorly studied.
Additionally, the use of pharmaceutical agents, such as
nifedipine, may be used to prevent HAPE in known
susceptibles.
There is no elevation above which HAPE is no longer a
potential danger.
The best indication that our team can avoid complications
with HAPE is a clear history of no prior problems. With the
human body, there are never guarantees but a pristine prior
history is extremely reassuring.
Question:
Greetings from Washington- the monsoon has decided to visit
us before it goes on to Asia- lots and lots of rain. I hope
your weather conditions are better. My question is how does
the altitude affect your senses like smell, taste, hearing
and seeing? Are they dulled or enhanced the higher you go?
How about your sense of balance- do you experience vertigo?
Thank you and best of luck for a safe summit day.
Colleen Merrill
Langley, WA
Response from Dr. Howard Donner:
Smell and taste are definitely diminished at base camp
(17,600') and at the higher camps. The return of these
senses is best appreciated upon descent to lower elevations.
With symptoms of AMS (Acute Mountain Sickness) balance can
be affected, however, in a well acclimatized climber balance
should be normal. At extreme altitudes, climbers suffering
from chronic hypoxemia (low blood oxygen) have described
difficulty with balance. Other factors that affect climbers'
balance include dehydration, hypoglycemia and exhaustion.
Question:
A word of encouragement from Indianapolis! I don't know if
you will get this message before you attempt the summit ,
but I hope like hell that you make it. There are a lot of
North Central and I.U. people here cheering you on. It has
been very interesting being able to follow your team on the
internet. The last news we have is you are at base camp III,
and preparing to move on. Go for it Dave.
Paul Schuler
Indianapolis, IN
Response from David Carter:
Thanks for your support, everything is going great. We're
hoping to leave for the summit in the next few days.
Question:
I was wondering if it is very noisy all the time on Everest
because of the wind. I think this would be a disturbing
factor when you have to be there for months. So, how is the
wind on Everest?
Noah Hedges
Arlington, TX
Response from Pete Athans:
In past years the wind has been very loud from Base Camp and
above. This year, we have been very fortunate to have
relative few high wind days. The other loud noises that we
hear are avalanches and glacier movement.
Question:
To Edgar: You'll have to write back soon to let everyone
know at Film/Video how you and your crew are doing. I have
been waiting to hear from you. But perhaps you didn't
receive my last e-mail. Jay, Darryl, Roy, Pizio, and myself
wish you the best of luck as you guys take on the elements.
I will pass on any info you send, so don't hesitate to write
when you find the time. Talk to you soon.
Shayne Sivley
Denver, CO
Response from Edgar Boyles:
Greetings from both Pete Athans and myself here at "Hypoxia
Beach" at 17,600". Things are going well and the gear is
holding up even though we are in a pretty extreme and harsh
environment. Everybody is ready for the summit, so stayed
tuned to the web site as it's just about showtime! All the
best to the crew there, look forward to seeing you on my
return.
Best regards, Edgar.
Question:
Dear Climbers,
Hi! I am Staci, I am 12, almost
13! The school I go to is following you, we hooked up the
T.V. to the computer and are writing questions! Well here's
my question: What do you people do on your spare time?
Staci Flajole
Carnation, WA
Response from Base Camp:
During our spare time at Base Camp we rest, read, hang out
with our friends and recuperate our energy for our climb.
Question:
I was wondering if you had any difficulties with
route-finding in the Khumbu Icefall. Is the water safe to
drink out of the streams or do you treat it? Is Lhotse
within reach from Base Camp to climb (within a day or two of
trekking). A question for Ed Viesturs: Has he made any
outstanding times between camps like he did with Scott
Fischer on K2 in 1992? (7500 feet in one day). Have stable
weather!
Taylor Woodward
Richaland, WA
Response from Base Camp:
The Icefall is considered by some the most dangerous part of
the route due to falling ice. Throughout a given season the
route may be reset in certain sections because of the
movement in the glacier.
Our main source for water at Base Camp is a frozen pond at
the base of the Lho La (which is a huge glacial pass to
Tibet). For our expedition alone, our kitchen staff carries
30-35 liter-loads of water each day. This water is boiled
for purification.
Question:
Hi from the fifth grade! It is exciting to hear from people
on Mount Everest. We want to ask if the flag from Hillary
and Tenzing is still at the summit? and when you climb do
you ever find the bodies of other climbers? That would be
very hard.
Good luck, Eric Z., Christina C., Deedee C., Shea S. from
Cleveland Urban Community School
Cleveland, Ohio
Response from Base Camp:
The flag from Hillary and Tenzing's summit is no longer
there. Sadly, there are bodies along the route.
Question:
Dear Climbers,
Have any of your team members gotten hurt yet? Do you think
any of you will get hurt? How would you take care of the
injured people?
Sincerely,
The 7th grade
Garden Valley, Idaho
Response from Base Camp:
All of climbers are feeling strong and are in good health.
In the event of any injuries we have a doctor, Howard
Donner, at base camp. When the climbers are on the mountain
they always have a medical kit with them.
Question:
Hello! I'm not a climber myself but I've been reading a lot
of books and checking the web site and have become intensely
interested in your Everest expedition. My question is pretty
simple. How do you know the way? I realize that you keep
going up but I imagine that the landscape must change with
the ice and wind and snow. Is this true? What sort of
navigational tools do you have? Good luck, my thoughts are
with you! I really admire your courage and determination.
Mellisa Rinehart
Akron, OH
Response from Base Camp:
The traditional Southeast route on Everest is well-travelled
and easy to find: through the Icefall ropes and ladders and
the well-trodden route will show you the way; the same would
go for the Western Cwm. Its well-trodden route is hard to
avoid as the Lhotse Face is mostly fixed with ropes.
Climbers work their way up without having to use compasses.
Beyond Camp IV we believe it is best for climbers to always
have a compass with them in case they get caught in
white-out conditions or the dark.
As Mal Duff's expedition Sherpas have for the past few years
set the route through the Icefall, there has been little
chance for first-timers to get lost in the labyrinth. The
first climbers to go through the Western Cwm in a given
season have to set the ladders across the many crevasses
that traverse the high mountain valley.
Question:
I see by today's Newsflash that there will be strong winds
at the summit and that this will make the trek even more
difficult. I moved from Phoenix, AZ to Iowa City to attend
graduate school and found the Iowa winter to be a terrible
shock. The winds were strong and the temperature (incl.
windchill) that first winter hung around minus 80 for a long
time. Last winter we had a week where temperatures, with no
winds were at about -20 during the day. My question is this:
Will the winds at the summit be strong enough to actually
"move" or "push" your bodies, and what impact will the winds
have on temperature?
Best wishes-
Michelle Rhoades
Dept. of History, University of Iowa
Response from Base Camp:
Our most recent five-day forecast show the winds ranging
from 5-55 kph, the corresponding temperatures range from -19
f. To -38 f. Climbers generally choose not to climb in winds
that will buffet their bodies. If they are caught up high in
strong winds, they will usually turn around for safety
reasons.
Question:
Hello from the Pacific Northwest! My 7th grade class is
following your progress with great interest. They are
curious how many e-mails you are receiving? Nationally?
Internationally? This has been so exciting for them- they
are going home and doing all kinds of research. Also- what
does yak tea taste like? hang in there! Russell Coney says
hello to Todd Burleson!
Carnation, WA
Response from Dr. Donner:
We are overwhelmed with e-mails and try our best to answer
them on a daily basis. Most of our mail comes from the
United States, but we do receive mail from all over the
world; for example, today we received mail from Italy.
Yak tea is not a favorite of ours here at base camp, we
prefer hot lemon or milk tea.
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