Ask Kathleen Hall Jamieson
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Media and politics expert Kathleen Hall Jamieson last appeared on the blog to provider viewers with debate-watching tips:
I recommend not watching before the debate and after the debate. I recommend that after the debate you turn the debate off and you talk with your family about what you saw and what was important to you. And you think about what you saw.
Now we invite you to ask the author of EVERYTHING YOU THINK YOU KNOW ABOUT POLITICS...AND WHY YOU'RE WRONG about what's been puzzling you about politics, media, and the long road to November 2008.
Comments
Professor Jamieson:
I look forward to watching the "Journal" and relish it's voice of reason,particularly when you participate. Last night you chided the candidates for being cowardly and not answering the difficult question,( I paraphrase) "What would you do differrently when you become president given the current economic crisis"? My first reaction to the question is they are damned if they do and damned if they don't? What should they do? Another thought is that they should read the FDR "We have nothing to fear " speech." What are your suggestions?
Secondly, I was embarrassed by Gov. Palin's debate performance and the reaction of some who said she "won" on persona. Smiles, smirks, "gotchas" winks,folksy talk and "Joe sixpacks' do not make a debate. I heard only rehearsed speeches, little data and much repetition. She was not a disaster and if that is our bar, we should be ashamed and afraid. As a 78 year old woman who considers herself of reasonable intelligece, I am afraid for our country if she is seen as qualified. I think Sen. McCain had a "senior moment" when he chose her as his running mate.
Sincerely,
Gloria Tolaro
Rochester, Washington
Posted by: Gloria Tolaro | October 4, 2008 5:50 PM
I appreciate hearing carefully thought out concepts of the real political world. Hence I want to thank you for your appearance on the Bill Moyers show on October 3, 2008. I will attempt myself to be as interested in the process as you seem to be, I think it will take much of the concern out of my election discussions.
Posted by: William Peterson | October 4, 2008 3:47 AM
Good advice and as a n.p.a. I just wanted to tell you that this was my absolute process during the conventions - I watched on cspan ONLY which was continuous so I could see everything without the chatter to filter in and sway me...then later I would put on msnbc/cnn/fox and try to get various view points...it's very clear that those who want to believe a certain position will watch the stations that promote it, and get so sad when I hear a mis statement or untruth revealed on one station and I just know the people who need to won't hear it...that's the part that makes me crazy!
Posted by: Leslie | September 6, 2008 2:35 AM
See (below), even a caveman CAN do it. (blog that is)
Posted by: Grady Lee Howard | April 18, 2008 11:20 PM
Mrs. Jamison,
what do you think it says about a candidate running for president
and if he/she has a bad night-starts to blame the media-and everyone else
for his/her poor performance
was it harry truman
who said the buck stops here.
I do not understand Mr. obama should have welcomed the scrunity. But today he has mocked the abc-and sen. clinton.
How will he fair to the things the republican will call him on.
his handlers must know whining about it will not be good.
Posted by: jerry gaw | April 17, 2008 7:40 PM
Kathleen Hall Jamieson: On that debate 4/16, we are interested in George Stephanopolis' smile and hair (which toothwhitener and gel?) and Charle Gibson's pomposity
(Prozac or just cocktails?).
It seems like Disney could afford to provide oversized flagpins all around, for those who come unprepared, just like yellowjackets in a haute cuisine restaurant. Next we'll have to see their underwear. Obama: Boxers or briefs? Clinton: Hillary's style crimped by control top pantyhose.
Posted by: Grady Lee Howard | April 17, 2008 1:42 PM
Professor Jamieson -- Many viewers are very interested in your thoughts on the Obama/Clinton debate in Philadelphia on 4/16. I hope you are back on the Journal soon to share your impressions of what happened at the debate!
Posted by: David S Reynolds | April 17, 2008 10:50 AM
Hi -
I would be interested in knowing what you think this article by Rutger's University professor of History and Media, David Greenberg in slate magazine:
http://www.slate.com/id/2183941
It is the truth that has been almost entirely lost in the spin.
Posted by: Lauren | February 13, 2008 5:47 PM
Apropos of your comment that American's have a right to the complete medical records of candidates for president and vice president, I think it's time to take the next step: forensic psychiatric exams for the candidates. This time we want to know before the election whether and to what extent candidates are borderline personalities or whether they suffer from other psychopathologies that would cause major domestic or foreign policy problems, economic stability or undermine the sanctity of our laws and constitution. In view of America's experience of the last eight years the Bush doctrine of preemption should apply.
Posted by: Tom Shillock | February 13, 2008 12:44 PM
Dear Ms. Hall: In the interest of fairness pertaining to the program of Friday February 9, 2008, I wonder why you did not mention that John McCain (1) is currently a smoker and has been for much of his adult life, and that (2) he has recurring bouts with cancer?
Posted by: Jeff Schrader | February 10, 2008 10:01 PM
Ms. Jamieson,
I look forward to your regular appearance on the Journal. Every time I get the chance to hear your take on the politics of the day I learn something new. Your articulation in particular of the science and minutiae of politics often takes the conversation to a richer and deeper place for understanding. In light of this I would be fascinated to hear what your thoughts are regarding the relevance of the Independent party in this country? Why in some states across the nation Independents cannot vote in the primaries and how you would suggest this be changed or not and why? Where the party may be headed in terms of real political clout? What the party means for this election cycle? And, is the Independent party an effective catalyst for change in your opinion or an important but essentially irrelevant footnote in this our national political story?
If you have previously addressed these issues I apologise for the repetition.
Rachael P.
Posted by: Rachael | February 9, 2008 6:10 PM
Ms. Jamieson,
I admired John Edwards when he ran with Kerry and was so pleased when he decided to make the race again in this Presidential election. Now, since he suspended his race, I see the books people are selecting as reading material for the new President, and it seems to me that many, if not most, of the choices deal with issues about which John Edwards spoke. Listening to Barbara Ehrenreich's interview with Bill, I was reminded of her suggestion that candidates recognize and speak for the Populist issues, which is what Edwards did. Why do you think he did not gain traction to the extent that he should have, and why did the media ignore him in their infatuation with the notion of "first woman/first Black" coverage? From the book recommendations, it seems that there are many people eager to support the message of John Edwards.
Posted by: Lyn Fenwick | February 9, 2008 1:11 PM
what does kathleen think about the value of having a strong third, fourth or fifth party in America? Does she have a plan how at least a third viable party might be able to get started when it seems there is no support in government, in the press and within the loyalties of the average American?
why are multiple parties very common in so many countries and not in america? especially since we are strongly eurocentic and many european countries have such a variety?
Posted by: lee jankowski | February 9, 2008 12:43 PM
Ms. Jamieson,
First, I just want to compliment you on your thoroughly thought-provoking discussions with Bill over the last few months.
Now, looking forward: On the assumption -- perhaps misplaced -- that both parties' Presidential nominees will be known shortly, how should an informed citizen best follow the campaigns during the extraordinarily long period before Election Day?
I mean, we all know, generally, what will be thrown at each side. How can we best discern the "truth"?
Posted by: Tim H in NYC | February 8, 2008 6:04 PM
Hi -
I would just like to take this opportunity to point out that this thread was started to Ask Kathleen Hall Jamieson questions. There is another thread called "Power Reading," where you can recommend a book for the next President to take to the White House. I guess they got confused at one point.
Cheers to All!
Posted by: Lauren | February 8, 2008 4:55 PM
The Timetables of History.
Covers East and West, from -5000 to present.
Posted by: pamela rose phd | February 8, 2008 4:14 PM
Two suggestions, one from my high school english class, "Animal Farm" by George Orwell is a simple read which contains a profound message. The importance of recognizing the danger of rule of men, vs. rule of law. The message we the people should watch our leaders for "change", in the sense that will government change them instead of them changing government and that we believe in our own interpretation of events and not let spin by politicians make us suspend our disbelief.
The second book "Nemesis" by Chalmers Johnson. If we are to prevent the collapse of American society we must recognize that we have engaged a stragety of empire building represented by the hundred of military bases and force agreement we maintain throught the world and that we will remain at perpetual war which eventually will bankrupt us of financial and human resources.
Posted by: d croft | February 7, 2008 3:15 AM
"Shoveling Fuel on a Runaway Train" by Brian Czech is the book I would like the next president, and in fact all of our policy makers to read. Please look into having Brian Czech as a guest on your show. steadystate.org is his web site.
Posted by: Robin Rauch | February 6, 2008 9:51 PM
I believe that the next President should take a copy of Mark Twains "Innocents Abroad". He/She is going to need something to smile about and this certainly fills the bill. I have to say that Bill Moyers "Journal" and "Charlie Rose" is by far the best reason to sit and watch television.
Posted by: mark kelber | February 6, 2008 9:02 PM
I think the President should read "Ethics for Policy Decisions" by W.A.R. Leys, NJ, Prentice-Hall, 1952. This volume demonstrates a decision making technique based on the ideas of the great philosophers: Plato, Aristotle, Bentham, Kant, Spinoza, Hegel, Marx, Dewey and others. It provides a series of questions to be asked about priblem situations that enable a careful ananysis to be made to learn the possible consequences of varioous possible decisions. A great book even though it is not famous!!
Posted by: Paul Kessler | February 6, 2008 6:10 PM
The game is on!
Obama selects a VP white female, with executive governish skills--CHECK to HC
Hillary selects a VP hispanic male from the southwest with executive governish skills--CHECK to Obama
Change? Sounds like the same old game to me!
Issue DETAILS: How will you end Iraq as promised? Logistics--securing our oil interest--rebuilding our military(guns)--protect our economy(butter)guess this GAME might threaten electability.
Hey! McCain needs a young black female with executive skills & media appeal--maybe a talk show host could give him the election.
Checkmate!
Guess if we look at this as a game then we won't have to worry about states' rights--voters rights (or lack of--FL\Mich.) Calif. is excited at finally having a say as to which candidate is selected-except for John (he has only suspended his campaign) & Thompson & others.
Billy Bob Fla. 2-6-08
Posted by: Billy Bob | February 6, 2008 10:54 AM
My advise for our next President-When your ego begins to rage, read and re-read "The Shock Doctrine" by Naomi Klein and know that the next few Congresses might not be as corrupt and "forgiving" as this one, so expect to be held accountable if you commit impeachable offenses.
Posted by: Old Dave | February 6, 2008 10:18 AM
If the next President could only take one book to the White House to read I recommend "Longitudes and Attitudes" by Thomas Friedman. Mr. Friedman is the most knowledgeable individual i have ever read or heard on the Middle East. His book, Long.& Attit., lays out a clear roadmap of what this Country should have done and should do it the future to try and bring stability to this region. Bob Dozier
Posted by: Bob Dozier , | February 6, 2008 10:10 AM
If the next President could only take one book to the White House to read I recommend "Longitudes and Attitudes" by Thomas Friedman. Mr. Friedman is the most knowledgeable individual i have ever read or heard on the Middle East. His book, Long.& Attit., lays out a clear roadmap of what this Country should have done and should do it the future to try and bring stability to this region. Bob Dozier
Posted by: Bob Dozier , | February 6, 2008 9:48 AM
Dear Bill,
We are avid fans of your tv show and would like to throw our two cents in. My reading suggestion for the president would be "The Closing of the American Mind," by Allan Bloom. My wife's suggested book reading would be "A Patriot's Handbook: Songs, Poems, Stories, and Speeches Celebrating the Land We Love," selected and introduced by Caroline Kennedy. When all of the input is complete, it looks like you'll have a great list of suggested readings for your viewers.
Have a great day!
Sincerely,
James & Jenifer
Posted by: James & Jenifer | February 6, 2008 2:28 AM
Please disregard my last post as it was for my choice of recommended reading for the next president.
Posted by: A. Meister | February 6, 2008 1:46 AM
I would recommend the next president read "Perilous Times", by Geoffrey Stone, because it addresses what can occur when only looking at one side of an argument. It does this by exploring what can occur to individual civil liberties in a time of crisis (i.e. war, national disaster, etc.). It shows how, in past times of crisis, certain basic rights are pushed aside in the interest of national security (e.g. unconstitutional internment of Japanese people during WWII).
I want to make it clear that national security is extremely important, but so are our individual rights and freedoms. We live in a time of crisis where an imbalance can occur between the two. This causes us to have to pick one over the other: security or civil liberties. This choice has further added to divides in this country: right versus left, Republican versus Democrat, and authoritarian versus civil libertarian. These divides have been very apparent in more recent years in politics, and I believe they do more harm than good.
There are many arguments that can be made from one side or another in support of national security over upholding individual rights in a time of crisis and vice versa. However, I think that anyone who reads this book will see that attention needs to be paid to both sides. It is this attention that the next president must be sure to have, and not just over issues of national security and civil liberties.
Always remember that there are two sides to every coin, two sides to every argument, and I would hope that the next president would give equal time and attention to those sides. I feel that they will do so especially after having read "Perilous Times".
Posted by: A. Meister | February 6, 2008 1:41 AM
I would like to recommend Robert Reich's "Locked In The Cabinet" as a book I'd like to see every presidential candidate read and be familiar with. Dreams are great, but the nuts and bolts of getting an administration up to speed when it has to start from scratch each and every time, mitigates against accomplishing anything but the bare minimum of keeping the government running. And that's when you have an honorouble attempt at it. I believe that what you are seeing in the collapse of the American economy with people walking away from their mortgages or anything else they signed that they feel is now an inconvenience, is a trickle-down effect coming from the Whitehouse and coporporate America. They are conducting their affairs in secret, not honoring their own oaths and agreements, lying to the American people, and looking after their own best interests. Corporations have been given nothing more than a wrist slap as they walk away from their own moral resposibilities taking the middle class' 401k's with them. Why shouldn't the American public feel the same disregard for honoring their own word and legal obligations? There is obviously no shame in it if the Whitehouse is to set the example. You can't have a civilized society where there is no trust.
Posted by: C. Fisher | February 5, 2008 2:08 PM
The book I would like the next President to take to the White House is "Small is Beautiful" by B.F. Schumacher
Posted by: Anne Priest | February 5, 2008 10:03 AM
I would recommend that any person in power read a little novel "The Uncommon Reader" by Alan Barrett, a British author. Its theme is that reading is transformational and humanizing. Very short which is good because our next President will be very busy!
Posted by: Anne Gillespie | February 5, 2008 9:10 AM
I think the next president should read "Natural Capitalism" by Hawken, Lovins & Lovins. Every chapter explores a different natural resource and how to use it much, much more efficiently. Almost all examples use existing technology, and are BEING used in private residences, office buildings, factories, public utilities, and even entire cities. Frequent footnotes point towards whom to contact, if you wish to do what they are doing successfully. Most of these green measures pay for themselves almost immediately. Which belies the idea held by most politicians, that going green is an expensive investment that will only make a full return in the long run; that there is a insurmountable cost barrier. This book is a very practical (and thus hopeful) way for this country to go green, and in a way that will be good for business.
Posted by: Tarta | February 5, 2008 8:59 AM
I'd like to recommend that the next president read Al Gore's "The Assault on Reason." Gore persuasively argues that government today prefers 30-second sound bites to facts and analysis and that citizens are more uninformed because of it.
Posted by: Mike Smith | February 5, 2008 12:17 AM
Why did you edit my choice of book suggestion for our next president? Are you part of group that is censoring America? If so, you have no credibility. The title, "The Isreal Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy" has proved it's point by your reaction to it's simple mention. Don't beg for my dollars any longer or waste my time.
Posted by: K. Miller | February 4, 2008 7:47 PM
I would love to know that the next president of the United States has read, "Three Cups of Tea."
Posted by: Bill Ellzey | February 4, 2008 3:39 PM
Book to take to Washington: What Would the Founders Do?" by Richard Brookhiser. Our country has deviated from the original ideas and beliefs of our Founding Fathers when the Declaration of Independence and Constitution were penned. Religion should be kept out of political system. What happened to tolerance and respect of others beliefs?
Second choice for a book: "Contempt - How the Right is Wronging American Justice" by former judge Catherine Crier. Our courts should be non-partisan, with justice for all.
Posted by: Cathy H | February 4, 2008 3:26 PM
So many great recommendations. I would like to ask the new president to read Conversations With God, by Neale Donald Walsch, followed by a heavier dose of the same (to insure He/she gets it)with The Power of Now by Eckert Tolle. And I would like to see the new president, as well as the present administration read Debunking 9/11, by David Ray Griffen, because there is an awful lot that got swept under the rug there, and why are we accepting that? Anne S.
Posted by: Anne Steine | February 4, 2008 12:54 PM
I would recommend the next president read The Way of the Bodhisattva (Bodhicaryavatara) by Shantideva.
I would think that something that would focus the president on compassion and the way that things relate to each other might be of use to us all.
Posted by: Steve | February 4, 2008 12:40 PM
With Malice Toward None: A Life of Abraham Lincoln
Its one of the few books that give a clear picture of the cost of power and the judicious use of power even in war time.
Posted by: Zarani Barrow | February 4, 2008 12:35 PM
Would recommend for our next President:
The Future as History, by Robert Heilbroner
Posted by: Janet Willis | February 4, 2008 12:21 PM
book to take to the White House: "Democracy Matters"
by Cornell West
Posted by: elizabeth | February 4, 2008 11:19 AM
White House book: Milton Friedman, "Capitalism and Freedom," Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1962.
Posted by: Jim Montanye | February 4, 2008 11:06 AM
One book the incoming president should read? Very tough question given the breadth and depth of problems we are facing in the USA today. So, I will cheat a little and second the recommendations already made for The Shock Doctrine. Should be required reading for any administration as Klein does an outstanding job of peeling away layers of the rotten onion called laissez faire capitalism. Secondly, I would recommend
Screwed: The Undeclared War Against the Middle Class by Thom Hartmann. Hartmann does a superb job on his daily radio show on Air America of exposing the absurdity and hypocracy of neocon Republican ideology. But that too narrowly defines Mr Hartmann. He is a brilliant commentator on a wide range of political, economic, historical, and environmental topics. I would encourage you to have him on your show.
Thanks Bill for a terrific show. I don't watch the TV machine very often, but I listen to your podcast faithfully.
Posted by: Greg Linton | February 4, 2008 10:06 AM
It is hard to pick one book but given the "God"-centered policies of the last few years, I'd suggest our president to read
"The God Delusion", from Richard Dawkin.
Only then he/she will avoid reading
the Bible or read it for what it is: literature.
Posted by: Ronaldo Menezes | February 4, 2008 8:41 AM
I would want any leader of America to know both of these books well.
The first to identify the culprits in our Nation's downfall,
The second to exemplify the consequences of 'beneficial dictatorship'.
RUDY ABRAMSON
"SPANNING THE CENTURY"
'THE LIFE OF W. AVERELL HARRIMAN, 1891-1986'
1992
Or
Howard Zinn
"A People's History of the United States"
'1492 - Present
1980 - 2003
Posted by: Cliff Hoeft | February 4, 2008 5:39 AM
If I remember right the subject is about what book would I like to see taken into the White House. That would be Erich Fromm's "To Have or To Be." It's bases is that when the industrial revolution came in it brought to life a new form of a false god that has to be constantly fed in order to be kept alive by keeping people wanting things (To Have). the purpose of life is 'To Be' in it.
I've enjoyed and appreciated Kathleen Jamieson on PBS for years. One comment that she made never left me. It came after Bill Clinton was elected for a second term and it seemed to stun most people. She said, "People always pick a known evil over the unknown." With our current president there was a obvious behavior pattern of our society's character. He had a history of drinking and drug use for a thrid of his life but the majority of our society also has the same dysfunctional history in their own lives too. So it's only natural for them to pick that known evil over the unknown. As Kathleen pointed out about Iran in the State Of The Union speech I'm sure if she went back to when Bush run against McCain in the primaries his behavior was exactly the same as his bringing up Iran as an enemy. I remember seeing Bush and McCain on the Larry King show where McCain clearly stated to Bush how that hurt when he smeared his character and war record. Bush denied it and changed the subject. A clip was shown of Bush standing next to the guy spreading the lies. Those false accusations have been there from the start, not just for invading Iraq and trying to invade Iran.
So yes I agree with her about watching what is said as I've been doing that for years. It's plain as can be that they keep out of view anything we are doing to others to cause the terrorist to make the US an enemy. And the taxpayers cover the bill for this corruption.
Thanks for a great show.
Posted by: KenG | February 4, 2008 12:57 AM
Regarding your question to candidates, "What book beside the Bible would you take to the White House?" I would recommend the candidates take "Powerful Times: Rising to the Challenge of Our Uncertain World" (Wharton, 2005) by Eamonn Kelly. Kelly, CEO of the Global Business Network has created a compelling framework for thinking about the paradoxes that permeate almost every issue facing us today. He frames seven "dynamic tensions– profound but competing truths that appear to contradict or challenge each other, but both of which will increase in significance in the decade ahead." He asks us (in the voice of consultancy) to approach these tensions with a "both/and" rather than a "either/or" style of thinking. A designer by trade this style of thinking is second nature to me and I think it's something that politicians willfully disregard but I wish they craved. Unfortunately, power is layered under absolutes and not a place where alternatives are measured and tested.
Posted by: Jason Severs | February 4, 2008 12:14 AM
I would like to know more about each states' policies on primaries and caucuses.
I read recently that Clinton was way ahead of Obama because delegates have already committed to Hillary and Obama does not have a chance. Is that correct?
In my own state of MN, I am caucusing for the first time, but the instructor made a comment that to eventually to get to the state convention, it was extremely difficult due to the "Gate Keepers" (my term).
Could Ms. Jamieson comment on this...Because as I see it now, it doesn't matter what they say and how they spin it, if it's all rigged anyway. Sounds like a grand old Broadway show. (I always wondered how all the nominees, I wouldn't consider voting for always got it... but this would explain it.)
Blessings.
Posted by: Janay Nydahl | February 3, 2008 11:55 PM
I would recommend the new president take a copy of "The Four Agreements" by
Don Miguel Ruiz. If our current president had followed these agreements, our world would look very different. Thank you for your show. It is the highlight of our week.
Posted by: Bety Barry | February 3, 2008 11:43 PM
Searching for Peace
and
Peace By Peaceful Means
by Johan Galtung
Johan Galtung is director of TRANSCEND and Professor of Peace Studies
All the presidential candidates are promising 'change'. The change most needed is a world at peace. Johan Galtung offers thorough analyses of current conflicts from all perspectives and recommends solutions that are practical and achievable and thus very hopeful.
Posted by: Ellen Turgasen | February 3, 2008 11:39 PM
I wish that the next President take to the White House for nightly reading the books:
Palestine Peace not Apartheid
by former President Carter
2006, Simon and Schuster
and,
The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy by
J.J. Mersheimer and S.M. Walt
2007, Ferrar , Straus, Giroux
Sincerely, Charles Homsy
Posted by: Charles Homsy | February 3, 2008 6:43 PM
If one can recommend only one book for the next President, my preference is The Shock Doctrine.
But there are three more I would hope she or he would read and consider (alphabetically and in no particular order of priority): An Inconvenient Truth, by Al Gore; Broken Promises, by John Dean; and Nemesis, by Allison Chalmers.
Joe Ramsey
Posted by: Joe Ramsey | February 3, 2008 4:21 PM
I agree with many of the recommendations, but would include:
"Executive Wisdom" by R. Kilburg
and as second choice-
"The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire"
As always wonderful show...
Posted by: Julie | February 3, 2008 2:37 PM
Have you read The Great Experiment by Strobe Talbott?
Thoughts please.
Posted by: David H. Webb | February 3, 2008 2:23 PM
If we want to know the truth about our present politics, we better look into our not so distant past.
The book I recommend is about American politics and buseness, more than enything else:
"The secret war against the Jews" by J. Loftus and M. Aarons.
Posted by: A. Ezer | February 3, 2008 12:19 PM
Thank you Bill Moyers for all of your good reason and grace. I know many people who wish that you would "run" for President.
Kathleen Hall Jamieson's ongoing presence on your program is wonderful.
Hearing good discussions about our political future is vital to our country.
Anytime that you have Kathleen Hall Jamieson as your guest I enjoy our chance to hear your conversation.
Posted by: Lois Peterson | February 2, 2008 5:54 PM
Dear Dr. Jamison:
What is your view of prosecuting former Administration officials for criminal acts under a new President.
Thank You.
Posted by: jo solnick | February 2, 2008 4:39 PM
My suggested compulsory reading for the new president is The Best and the Brightest or The Coldest Winter by the same author.
Posted by: Michael J. O'Neill | February 2, 2008 2:46 PM
The book I would like the next president to read--and all the candidates for that matter--is "God's Politics: Why the Right Gets It Wrong and the Left Doesn't Get It" by Jim Wallis. My hope is that the next president will be humble about the role of the United States in this world.
Posted by: Tim Schultz | February 2, 2008 2:43 PM
How will Obama react when it turns out that Ted is going to tell him that he has run a great race, done a great thing, & that he should become Hillary's VP, so they can be sure to beat the mean ole Republicans, as he is young & he can can still be the first black pres. in 4 or 8 yrs. but she is to old to wait.
How can any candidate be expected to stand up to the Russians, North Koreans, terrorist, if they can't stand up to little ole H. Dean & DNP for Americans' Voters Rights?
Why is California so excited to finally have a say in who becomes the pres. candidate? Does CA think that deciding who is not going to run (ex. Iowa & New Hampshire) deminishes their influence in representative govt.? Why don't other states stand up for state's rights as Mich. & Fla. have?
Are there no journalist left?
Respectfully,
Billy Bob 2-2-08 Fla.
Posted by: Billy Bob | February 2, 2008 2:31 PM
What would have to be done to prevent a president being able to use "signing statements" that end up subverting the intentions of whatever bill is being signed? It seems to me that this must somehow be unconstitutional, or at the very least, "approved lying".
Posted by: Ruth K | February 2, 2008 2:08 PM
Since all the candidates seem to claim some form of Christianity, a Bible is probably a good choice for reading material, especially the prophets. But I wouldn't mind if our new Pres dipped into some of the other great religious traditions of the world, too, since he or she will undoubtedly need some understanding of other people's guiding principles. Jim Wallis' God's Politics is also a good choice.
Posted by: Diane Stein | February 2, 2008 1:45 PM
Ms. Jamieson and Mr. Moyers,
Thank you for discussing how candidates like Dennis Kucinich and John Edwards, and their worthwhile questions, were hastily pushed aside in MSM campaign coverage (good Krugman column 2/1 on Edwards' contribution). Do you think many voters feel helpless to change the health insurance system and the corporate shedding of U.S. jobs? That those issues are so huge that voters find it easier to choose a leader by character rather than try to evaluate candidate plans to tackle such pervasive problems? Or are voters pushed that way by mainstream coverage?
Posted by: Suzanne B. | February 2, 2008 1:36 PM
I'll add another vote for Shock Doctrine, if for no other reason than to debunk the entire premise of supply-side, trickle-down Reaganomics.
Two other valuable resources would include Howard Zinn's People's History/US and Mark Kurlansky's NONVIOLENCE. If the bible is a given, then Nonviolence should also be.
Posted by: James Rink | February 2, 2008 1:15 PM
I appreciated last night’s discussion of the mythologizing of our past, as well as the caution against mythologizing the present. However, I have been baffled by the current mythologizing of the Clinton years and the acceptance of Hilary Clinton’s claim to “35 years of making change,” which rests largely on the Clinton myth. The omission from your discussion seems striking in light of Mr. Moyers comments on the Kennedy endorsement of Obama based on the latter’s “buoyancy, ebullience, optimism” without the “experience to back it up.” (I think I got these quotes right; I was writing quickly.) I’m not sure if Mr. Moyers was only echoing the oft-heard charge that Mr. Obama does not have the experience or whether this was Mr. Moyer’s judgment. In either case, it is worth noting that the claims of experience and lack thereof have gone largely unexamined. Yet, as I listen to reporters and commentators, there seems to be a general acceptance that Mrs. Clinton has “the experience” and Mr. Obama, while good at the vision thing, does not. Thirty-five years ago, Mrs. Clinton was in law school. Are her experiences at that time in her life more relevant than Mr. Obama’s in law school? What is it about her experience of being First Lady that supports the claim that Mrs. Clinton is uniquely qualified for the presidency? How does one evaluate this in light of the failure of the one major effort she led, the reform the health care system? In her blog of 1/15/08, Barbara Ehrenrich lays this failure on “a theory of social change that’s as elitist as it is inaccurate.” If so, and I think Dr. Ehrenrich makes an excellent case, can we afford a president who, unlike LBJ, does not see that change comes when there is a mass movement of people, but instead thinks that detailed policy statements and knowledge of the legislative process is enough? Quite clearly, Mrs. Clinton would not be considered a serious candidate if she had not been Bill Clinton’s partner for over thirty years. As Dr. Jamieson pointed out, in the lives and careers of JFK and Reagan, there was much we want to remember and much that we would want to forget. So it is with President Clinton. As I was reminded recently, there is an argument to be made that Bill Clinton did not just “clean up after a bush,” but also helped to clear the way for the election of a second Bush who claimed the moral high ground. Would that our demythologizing could begin now.
Posted by: Laurie E. Proctor | February 2, 2008 1:02 PM
Thank you Mr Moyers for the vital information you present on your weekly program (too bad it isn’t daily). It should be mandatory watching, not only for the general public, but for any elected official at any level. As a Vietnam Vet with ADD, Dyslexia, Tinnitus, PTSD and depression I’ve just read Thomas Paine’s “Common Sense”. I suggest 1) that this pamphlet be one of the top 3 books to be carried at all times by our new president whoever she or he be, 2) that you dedicate a program to the information contained in this paper not only how it applied then, but to us today. I will have to read this many more times just to get some of the basics. Where did we go wrong? How can we get back on the right track? Again, thanks for sharing your wisdom.
Posted by: Richard N | February 2, 2008 12:36 PM
I apologize for the last message, which I intended to send to the Power Reading blog. Words ARE important, and the words read by our future president will be extremely important.
Posted by: Helen Hanna | February 2, 2008 12:06 PM
My choice is An Inconvenient Truth by Al Gore.
Posted by: Helen Hanna | February 2, 2008 11:48 AM
Dear Ms. Hall Jamieson,
Which presidential candidate if any is true?
That's all I need to know.
America needs the truth!
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MJA
Posted by: Michael J Ahles | February 2, 2008 11:39 AM
Mr. Moyers,
I agree wholeheartedly that words do count. So let's parse them. A dictionary definition of accountability -"responsibility, liability, answerability". So the Administration and its minions have taken responsibility - "I am the decider", been answerable, in their own fashion, and accepted liability (definition - "state of being responsible for something"). Mr. Waxman's committee has done its job! Yippee! It's postured for the public, demonstrated its righteous indignation and even asked for resignations! Holy cow!
So what? These administration folks are only doing just what their Boss appointed them to do and will not leave until they themselves become a liability ("hindrance, handicap, albatross", etc.) to their Boss, at which point he will only appoint someone else to do the same thing. Been there, done that. This is not rocket science.
Mr. Waxman will be holding new hearings... Oh goody!
You have had several guests on your show who have pointed out we already have more than enough "information" to go beyond the accountability phase and begin the next phase - indictment, which in this case would be impeachment by the House, and enough evidence for trial by the Senate. Holding more "hearings" is rather like bringing coals to Newcastle..
The only Pres. candidate who has called for this remedy, Kucinich, has been conveniently removed from the stage and so we hear no more talk in the media about this issue. So, sir, why didn't you ask the most obvious questions of Mr. Waxman - "Do you support impeachment? If not, why not?
In all your hearings so far, the administration has only dug itself deeper, so how many more do you need before proceeding with a remedy?"
This whole drama is rather like establishing that an individual is a crook, i.e. establishing that he is responsible ("accountable") for a robbery, and then failing to bring him to trial. What's the point?
Why aren't you asking these questions?
Without a trial, establishing "accountability" at this point, when the only other political remedy, losing an election, is a nullity, is no more than a dog and pony show. The crook is going scot-free. We, the people, have been robbed. We want more than "the judgement of history"; we want our day in court. These guys are dragging it out, and, I suggest, deliberately so, guaranteeing, for political reasons, that we will not get one. I had hoped that your analysis might at least have hinted at such.
Frankly, looking at the "major" (which raises a whole other issue) Pres. candidates left in the field, I think the only works they will take with them are those by Machiavelli. Rather I think it might be more instructive to give members of Congress a few books (perhaps they might read them - why not - they have the time they should be spending reading the legislation they are voting on). My suggestion is that they pick up a book, even Cliff's notes might do, on Greek mythology and look up the story of the terrible many-headed Hydra in which the "good guys" kept whacking off its heads, only to have 2 grow back for each one whacked off. The hero of the tale was the one who understood that the only way to vanquish the beast was to cut off the head at the center...
Or, if they prefer something a bit more "modern", let them peruse the legend of the Gordian knot....
(Where's Joseph Campbell when we need him?)
Posted by: Sue | February 2, 2008 11:28 AM
to Bill Moyers Journal/Kathleen Hall Jamieson,02/02/08
The hope for broader access to expression, and ideas, 02/01/08:
In spite of my disappointment at the withdrawal of Dennis Kucinich from the Presidential contest I have maintained some admiration for the potential of an Obama or Clinton candidacy, but I was first anticipating an issue oriented discussion among the three candidates, prior to John Edward’s withdrawal. I was therefore disappointed to receive a solicitation for a vote for a Move-On.org poll that was to become an Obama endorsement yesterday (02/01/08).
I had initially hoped that the issues raised by the confluence of the times and a field of capable candidates, might yet elevate the contest to a discussion of issues and ideas for a longer period of time than it now appears that might be the case.
Although it may be easy to understand how and why the early endorsement of the Kennedys for Mr. Obama at this juncture served the purposes of both the Kennedys, and the Obama campaign, with the withdrawal of John Edwards, we not only see a narrowing of the field of candidates, but a narrowing of the field of ideas essential to the defeat of the Republican heirs to the powerful Reagan/Bush cynicism and corporate greed that has brought us screeching to this precipitous place in our history.
I may admire Senators Obama or Clinton for what their candidacies could mean, but I feel the need for a greater debate over a broader spectrum of ideas that has yet to surface from this Presidential primary season.
Neither of the two present Republican Party contenders would recognize a
republican or democratic idea if it hit them. Their positions on most issues tend to narrow the debate and beg for greater, not fewer, controls over our lives, that continue to exploit divisions of class in the U.S. The reactionary doublespeak of the present Republican administration, from which Mr’s Romney and McCain have such difficulty distancing themselves, should remind both Mr. Obama and Ms Clinton of the importance of the need to provide access to a broader spectrum of thought and ideas in this season of narrowing choices and miserably failed policies. Corporate news and all media, in spite of its natural inclination to narrow the focus and consolidate information, should remember that the best interests of Americans and unrepresented citizens of the emerging and developing world on whom we depend for our present comforts and freedom, lie in an expanded debate over ideas so far unrepresented or expressed by candidates or the media.
Both the Republican and Democratic field(s) of candidates are still operating from within a very narrow frame of reference or “box” if we are talking about “ideas” for bringing about a consciousness among voters of the problems we face and how to solve them.
Where are the voices of poets, science, faith, and the working people of our own society and the world who experience the destructive consequences of cultural bias, and the abuse and thoughtlessness of corporations and governments ? They are in most ways more highly qualified and articulate in expressing the creative ideas needed to solve these problems, at all levels of governance, than the political or “professional” voices we have traditionally or are presently looking to for solutions in this season of political hopes and
“fast breaks” that still require a good deal of expansion, thoughtful examination, and explanation ?
Thank you Bill Moyers
and Kathleen Hall Jamieson.
Farley Andrews
farleya@earthliink.net
Posted by: farley andrews | February 2, 2008 10:06 AM
Why the presumption that any good president must take a Bible to the White House? Is this something like the default font setting in Word?
We now have a man in the White House who presumably bases his decision making on the Bible, and on his prayers. He believes that his is inspired by God (or actually spoken to?) in his decision making, so much so that his declaration of himself as The Decider carries some authority of Faith with it. His authority. I say I pray, I say God talks with me, so I am The Decider. Excuse me?
And then there all those of Biblical faith who are rewriting history to convince the citizenry, erroneously, that this country was founded on The Bible?
No thanks. I think I'm over it with the Biblical presidencies. Give me somebody with a good education and a "lick o' sense." Or maybe we could require an hour per day meditation on one little "chapter" of the Tao te Ching and a half hour of Taiji practice?
Even the much-less-intellectual endeavor of watching television during the coincident happenings of the worst natural- and government-wrought disasters in decades might be a good requirement.
It is not the Bible that I oppose. It is the presumption of the Bible as the first book of choice, obviously, and without discussion. A Bible in the White House has definitely not prevented it's becoming the real "Axis of Evil," has it? Is it not strange that the richest of the rich are so often so Christian, and that they seem to have forgotten the admonition about how hard it will be for them to get into heaven? Hmmmmmmmm....
Take care. The presumption of a perferred religion is way too close to the requirement of the preferred religion. Just think about what a computer's "default settings" can do to those who have not the knowledge and/or courage for changing them. And there should be no requirement of us all that we have to protect ourselves from Microsoft OR from the "faithful" among us.
"Is it not strange that the descendants of those Pilgrim Fathers who crossed the Atlantic to preserve their own freedom of opinion have always proved themselves intolerant of the spiritual liberty of others?"
--Gen. Robert E. Lee
Posted by: eliza | February 2, 2008 9:37 AM
Thanks Ms. Jamieson and Bill Moyers for giving viewers something to think on besides all the hype concerning personalities in the election. It is becoming increasingly evident that Obama has legions of supporters without giving them anything but a feel good message of hope and change--if one wants change--it always begins within oneself. I believe that this Obamaism will be inoculated after February 5th and Americans will finally get well and down to business concerning the major issues of today. Let's in the future avoid turning our political candidates into celebrities.
Posted by: Jean | February 2, 2008 9:29 AM
Why pick intellectual nits when the deeper problem here is the outright hijacking of the Democratic primary by Karl Rove? Just because the mainstream media ignores what he's doing doesn't mean we should. Rove has skillfully used newcomer Barack Obama as his trojan horse to crash the convention next August and knock Hillary out of the race. The evidence is available for any journalist who bothers to look for it (including my piece at thecityedition.com).
Rove knows that Obama's 12-year relationship with indicted Chicago slumlord Tony Rezco will be a source of unending media coverage (as soon as Hillary's defeated). That and the fact that's he's cousins with the opposition leader in Kenya whose tribe has been engaged in some grizly incidents will provide effective grist for G.O.P. TV commercials in the fall, resulting in an easy win for Rove's independent ticket or whoever he can get McCain to take on as VP.
It's a shame that Bill Moyers didn't expose this strategy before the Feb. 5th primaries. Progressives are so used to complaining after the fact, that even when the opportunity presents itself, we let the bad guys prevail.
Posted by: YRM | February 2, 2008 9:06 AM
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How can the fifty separate but unequal states enforce their licensing statutes And regulate licensed practice when millions and millions of American state licensed professionals begin in mass to practice (serving their clients) in cyberspace where there are no state lines?
Where are your constitutional interstate commerce rights? With fifty licenses?
What are you going to do and how will the National professional associations (clubs, ie NAR, NCARB, AMA, ANA, SFSP, etc.) respond when the states band together (fifty governors & fifty legislatures) in their impotent efforts to:
"protect the public",
engaging in state-sponsored economic discrimination, and
continue to secure their precious state revenue stream of licensing fees
as a result of the proliferation of cyberspace practice; begin to mandate that all licensed professionals "must" qualify for, pay for and hold fifty state licenses?
Who is going to stop them from doing this?
Could state licensing be unconstitutional?
Who is going to be the "Rosa Parks" of the 21st century?
Are you willing to be one of those who fails to acknowledge the "state rights" issue of the 21st century?
Is there even going to be a "states rights" issue of the 21st century, having the potential of producing the second American Civil War?
"For it is a truth which the experience of all ages has attested, that the people are always most in danger, when the means of injuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion."
Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 25
RE: Please take the time to review the following carefully.
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You may be a licensed professional, and many of your associates probably are as well. All of you are consumers and business persons. You know it is best when a consensus of educated observations, analysis', opinions, and conclusions are brought to bear on the assets and liabilities of any business problem or any subject for that matter. Would you be willing to examine the present regulatory role of the fifty States, and the future regulatory role of the States in correspondence to that which is so important to business in America; communications and technologies? Communications and technologies reinforce and empower business entities and individuals to improve quality, solve problems and affect change in the market and in peoples lives. National standards for business regulations, consumer protection, consumer empowerment and many other very important market functions can never truly be reached as long as we permit the fifty States to maintain regulatory authority over these important market functions. Regulatory standards attempt to enhance assets and address problems in those respective market functions.
You may ask; why do we want national standards for business regulations, consumer protection, consumer empowerment and many other very important market functions? We all have taken for granted the great economic power we possess in the national standard of currency regulation. We enjoy great economic freedom from this asset. The dollar is recognized as legal tender throughout the full range of American markets. It is a foundation stone of interstate commerce. The American highway system is another such national standard we all enjoy and provides us great economic freedom. Ribbons of concrete and asphalt "webbing" throughout the American market permits transportation of goods and services. In addition to product and service availability, the American transportation system provides us with greater competition in business. The world wide web is another example. Without basic internet standards the web would be a chaos of individuals and entities engaging in endless mixtures of coordinating, missing and crashing communications, technologies, and transactions. National standards of weights and measures facilitate product and service evaluation and exchange. If the basic unit of weight (ounce, pound, etc) and the basic unit of measure (inch, foot, etc.) were to vary from State to State a strong, diverse and robust American economy would be severely compromised. Manufacturing, construction, food production, utilities, transportation, wholesaling, and retailing would be inhibited and we would be forced to absorb the costs. National standards of correspondence; the postal system facilitates many personal and business functions. If this were to vary from region to region communication with our fellow citizens would be much more difficult and costly consequently reducing individual and business prosperity. National standards not only provide the foundation for progress and maturation but also provide equality which is essential for personal and national protection, economic freedom, growth and global competitiveness.
Would you be willing to examine the inherent and expanding conflict between the business regulation by fifty different, uncoordinating jurisdictions and interstate commerce? Interstate commerce makes America strong and is a tremendous asset to us all. Then why do we burden ourselves with paying for fifty different professional licensing boards in dozens of professions that are vital to our essential health, safety and welfare? National standards can benefit all Americans once National licensing is our national asset.
Licensing exists to protect the public. Who is the public? Is it the Michigan public or the Florida public, the Iowa public, the California public? Should we really rely on the protection afforded us by the existing fifty State professional licensing system when it has been well documented by the press that the States cannot even keep track of Convicted Sex Offenders? How can we really expect them to protect us from malpracticing doctors, nurses, dentists, chiropractors, engineers, architects, teachers, etc. whom migrate to new States? And doesn't this migration increase the chances for repeat malpractice, repeat malpractice lawsuits, higher malpractice insurance; all of which we consumers ultimately pay for?
In this stage of the American socio-political development with the emerging explosion of communications technologies, what are the significant differences between the realities, desires and expectations of citizens in one State over those of another? What real good does it do you, your family, your friends, your business associates, clients and customers in this day and age, to boastfully call yourself a Michigander, an Iowan, a Texan, an Ohioan, a Rhode Islander, an Oregonian, etc. Is there really that much more to it than feeling the comfort of the legislative representation in your "State" government being vastly greater than other Americans want to have in their "State" Government? Of course not, we all want to be treated with the same rights, having the same freedoms, "equal opportunity", "equal justice" and "equal protection of the laws". How can that happen when we have fifty huge State lawmaking & rulemaking bureaucracies inherently creating different laws from American region to American region? Is there more significant content to States rights (not your rights, but the state's) than climate and geography? But, you may also want to note that with all this comfort of "local" representation comes the trillions of dollars of administrative & enforcement cost of maintaining the ever-expanding fifty State government bureaucracies (remember Louisana's response to Katrina). What real state rights do you expect from one State that you would be willing to forfeit in another? Don't you really want all the protection of your rights to be equal and to be as adequate to provide an equitable balance between personal safety and commercial progress? Equality is Freedom. No person can benefit from Freedom without Equality. This is a hallmark of our entire Republican Democracy.
The 14th Amendment Sec. I, Cls. 2:
"....nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
What do we mean to say to future generations of Americans in this expression? What is their world going to be like? What are their businesses going to contend with? The so-called "Greatest generation" failed to address these American growing pains; they pushed it to the "baby-boomers" and so far the "baby-boomers" have failed to coalesce even a coherent American vision for their children! They seem to be struggling just to contend with the tremendous expansion of opportunities, challenges & freedoms, technologies are bringing. In the context of the maturation of the American democracy many generations have past since the great States rights battle of race discrimination and national equal civil rights of the Civil War efforts. Who should be responsible for the maturing of America? The Chinese, the French, the Indians? We are. Little has been done to Nationalize our people and break down the States' barriers to equality, Freedom and commerce. As a matter of perspective the States appear to be escalating their media campaign war of state identitification by licensing (almost everything 'they' can think of), state government propaganda of state institutions, state universities, state university sports rivalries, state protectionism, etc. This is not the American future and only costs us valuable resources for our children to compete in an ever-growing and expanding global commerce society, whether we like it or not.
How will the States protect us in cyberspace where there are no State lines? What cost, times fifty, will American consumers be "required" to absorb in professional service costs (much higher licensing fees), when the States attempt to administer and enforce fifty State licensing statutes and regulations in cyberspace? Will they be effective or will they really be quite impotent?
Is the business solution to the business problem (occupational licensing) to turn it into a political problem? You know well, this will result in decades of inaction and debate. Look at the civil rights movement and the former States rights issue of slavery (unpaid labor). Now I know you may think these were just two big political problems of the past. Admittedly, through politics America has attempted to resolve those liabilities. But, before those problems were resolved all Americans, both black, white, & others were precluded from a much more robust economy when millions of blacks were unable to appreciate labor compensation, own homes, purchase goods & services, travel freely and fully participate in America's marketplace. Our country is stronger and more diverse than it was in the 19th century and benefits in so many ways when WE have eliminated the States out of regulating certain national functions. We benefited when the former black slaves were freed from State tyranny. Slavery was not federal law it was State law. We will also benefit tremendously when WE free State licensed professionals by establishing a national (non-federal, non-profit) licensing system. This is America's business marketplace issue of the 21st century and we can resolve it now!
Shortly after hurricane Katrina had reeked its havoc on the middle Gulf States dozens of doctors, nurses, psychologists, mental health counselors, social counselors, electricians, plumbers, roofers, mechanical contractors and other "State" licensed professionals suspended their incomes and their practices to travel at their expense to the affected region to volunteer life-saving and essential services to the people there. It has been documented by the press, thank you, that the States deliberately delayed and in many cases denied those volunteers to provided their "own" people those life-saving and essential services just to maintain "states rights"! This is unsympathetic and unconscionable behavior and regulatory activity by State government.
The States do not deny the use of your state drivers license to drive all across the States without acquiring their states' licenses, though an automobile operator can and does kill people everyday in this country. Approximately, fifty-thousand of them. If its protection the States claim they are providing, we will have much better protection and much more efficient administration of that protection if we did not have fifty different protection standards and fifty different administrations to pay for! Equality and liberty are inherently compromised with fifty different and uncoordinating sets of regulations. It is unnatural for the States to provide uniformity, equality and the resulting liberty. Those national assets rest with the sovereign people.
Last year in Florida also, state licensed roofers (Americans) whom attempted to assist Florida homeowners with roof replacement/repairs and make needed income (roofers), coming from Alabama, Georgia, South & North Carolina were thrown out of Florida and prevented from coming in to Florida after hurricanes Charlie, Frances, Ivan & Jeanne. Who was the State of Florida helping and protecting there?
Now, if on the otherhand, all the nations licensed professionals were licensed by one national (Non-federal, Non-Profit) licensing board in each respective profession/occupation then we would all benefit from the greater service availability, greater freedom of relocation, greater practitioner accountability, increased interstate commerce, greater efficiency of licensing administration, greater and more uniform consumer protection, greater uniformity of academic and continuing education standards, reduction of malpractice and malpractice lawsuits, and many many more benefits for consumers and professionals.
"Change is inevitable and inherent in change is a thing either matures or regresses.
A person chooses to mature or to regress. You will choose to mature or to regress.
When asked which concept is more mature:
state licensing changing to county licensing or, state licensing changing to national licensing?"
Paul Spung, December 2007
Nationalize Professional Licensing
See www.LicensingReform.org
"One Nation One Marketplace One Profession One Board One License"
As communications technology advances at an unbridled, exponential rate we all appreciate the value added business & consumer opportunities it brings. Licensed professionals are no different. They too avail themselves to the value added business opportunities technology brings to their practices. Consumers hire licensed professionals primarily for their intellectual property which they, the consumers, do not possess. We benefit when that intellectual property is free to flow and prosper our country. Many of the founding fathers (& mothers) were very familiar with the benefits of the free flow of commerce, goods and services throughout the colonies (legally & literally different countries at that time). They frequently spoke of such, and the phrase:
"free ships makes free goods"
was their anthem which they wrote into our US. Constitution http://www.constitution.org/constit_.htm ie., Art I, Sect. 9, Cls. 6:
"No Preference shall be given by any Regulation of Commerce or Revenue to the Ports of one State over those of another: nor shall Vessels bound to, or from, one State, be obliged to enter, clear, or pay Duties in another. "
"pay Duties in another"! Then what are state licensing fees? Since when is intellectual property of the individual the licensed property of the States?
US. Constitution Art. I, Sect. 8, Cls. 3 (the commerce clause) :
"To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;"
Well, if regulation of Commerce "among the several States" is the authority of Congress then it seems only reasonable that "State" licensing is in direct conflict with this long established provision. Are you willing to examine this conflict in the light of our present communications abilities and technologies? What about our future communications abilities and technologies?
US. Constitution Art. I, Sect 8, Cls. 5:
"To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;"
The framers saw the havoc the new States were reeking on the young countries economy when, beginning in 1780 nine of the thirteen colonies/States began printing their own currency. So, they stopped it because it was hurting the country and weakening interstate commerce. What would America be like today with fifty different State dollars with fifty different exchange rates? Look anything like the State licensing system?
Recently, many states have begun to require internet based sales companies engaging in interstate commerce to collect state sale tax on purchases made to Americans in those respective states. This obviously places a considerable administrative tax processing burden on those companies as if these private internet based enterprises were "paid" state government tax collectors. The internet based companies cannot absorb these states' sales tax processing costs so they pass them on to the consumers in higher prices. What will this effect be when all fifty states require all US internet based product & service companies to do the same? Will it render E-commerce less competitive for the consumer? Of course. Eventually, if allowed, the fifty states will cripple internet sales competitiveness with their bureaucracy. Just as if, the constitutional framers had not prohibited the states from printing their own currency.
What will it cost each of the states to keep track of every one of the internet based sales companies transacting business to Americans in each of the states? Extrapolate, & deduce the ramifications of this condition for millions upon millions of internet based companies including professionally licensed service providers!! Will it even be possible for the states, all fifty of them, to know who is selling what to whom?
US. Constitution Art. IV, Sect. I (full faith and credit clause) :
"Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State."
Then why do licensed professionals have to "be obliged to enter, clear, or pay Duties in another" fifty redundant times to practice in America? Do any of you whom are State licensed have fifty licenses to pay for? Will you, if you offer your advice or render your services over the internet?
The States require citizens to acknowledge "state licensing" to exist by state statute. States' statutes are "public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings"! The above constitutional provision begins with the words "Full Faith and Credit" and ends with the words "of every other State.". If the States were truly obeying this provision then one "state" license would be enough to practice throughout the country, kind of like a drivers license. What do you think?
US. Constitution Art. IV, Sect 2 (privileges and immunities clause) :
"The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
What could this mean? Remember the States insist that their licenses are a "state granted privilege"!
It's Time!
We must create:
"The Interstate Highway System for Professionally Licensed Services"
We have one currency (the dollar)
We have One Constitution and One President,
Why not one Professional Practice Standard.....,
and that can only be achieved through
One National Professional License
issued by
One National, Non-federal, Non-Profit Professional Licensing Board!
The Postal system is National, Non-federal isn't is? What about the credit bureaus? Aren't they National, Non-federal? Each of these existing, well established and accepted institutions treat all of us equally and without individual discrimination. Anybody; citizens, non-citizens("aliens"), even convicted criminals can purchase stamps and postal services anywhere, anytime. As well, the credit bureaus, typically, do not single out groups of citizens in a given region (State) and restrict their access to credit, do they?
In the very process of the establishment of this new national institution, national education standards will be inherently embodied. Please study our process diagrams downloadable from our Mission page http://www.licensingreform.org/mission.html or directly at: http://www.LicensingReform.org/pdf/ThePlan.pdf
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Your future & your children's future depends on it. How can the fifty separate States regulate licensed practice when millions of licensed professionals are practicing (in just a few years) in wireless cyberspace where there are no State lines? We can not handicap our children's and their children's business future with the "ball and chain" of fifty state administrations feebly attempting to regulate redundantly professional licensing. They will be practicing with technologies beyond our imaginations just as the turn-of-the-20th century generation could only dream of wireless telephones. We benefit today from cellular telecommunications in many ways.
We can institute a New and better National Professional Licensing Institution. Education is the way. We can all help each other.
Sincerely,
Coalition for Professional Licensing Reform, Inc.
A Tax-exempt, 501c3, not-for-Profit, National Education Organization
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Posted by: Executive Director | February 2, 2008 5:20 AM
I want to thank you for the last couple of shows, this shows the people (those who care to 'listen') of America what goes on behind closed doors. As for a book we the people feel the next President should take...me personally would take all the books written on American History, from the starting freedom from England all the way to our current 'war' with Iraq. I say this as hist