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The Controversy Over Wright

This week on the JOURNAL, Bill Moyers spoke with Jeremiah Wright of Trinity United Church of Christ (TUCC) in Chicago and Sen. Barack Obama’s (D-Il) pastor for more than 20 years, who’s been embroiled in controversy.

“When something is taken like a sound bite for a political purpose and put constantly over and over again, looped in the face of the public, that's not a failure to communicate. Those who are doing that are communicating exactly what they wanna do, which is to paint me as some sort of fanatic or as the learned journalist from the New York Times called me, a "wackadoodle"... I think they wanted to communicate that I am unpatriotic, that I am un-American, that I am filled with hate speech, that I have a cult at Trinity United Church of Christ... To put an element of fear and hatred and to stir up the anxiety of Americans who still don't know the African-American tradition, know nothing about the prophetic theology of the African-American experience, who know nothing about the black church, who don't even know how we got a black church.”

Some have argued that TUCC’s “Black Value System,” which emphasizes commitment to the “Black community” and “Black family” rather than to communities and families in general, prioritizes racial identity in an inherently racist way. Arguing that Wright himself might be a racist who holds racial animus against certain groups, commentators have pointed to his statement that “white folks’ greed runs a world in need” and to his accusation that the U.S. government “invented the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color.” Furthermore, Wright’s association with Louis Farrakhan, whose history of anti-semitic and anti-white statements has been condemned, has brought further controversy.

In contrast, some have come to the defense of Wright's rhetoric and his notion of “the prophetic theology of the African American experience” and black liberation theology. In today’s Dallas Morning News, Gerald Britt dismisses “attempts to delegitimize Dr. Wright and Trinity United Christian Church for its Afrocentric theological emphasis” and argues that the black church “has been admired for its powerful presence within the African-American community; its worship is envied for its emotional freedom.”

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The condemnation of Rev. Wright for his comments on AIDS in the black community are taken from impressions. I did not actually hear him say that white people made HIV-AIDS to kill non-Whites. Prehaps he did at some other time. However, your own organization PBS in its program "Secrets of the Dead" shows that Northern European Whites who survived the plague of the Middle Ages and later possess genetic protection from both HIV and AIDS. This may be where this bel;ief comes from. Having worked as an engineer and a scientist I know that we lacked the ability to construct such a virus at the time of its onset.

Now, Obama has finally quit the whole church. Gone. Done. The comments of Wright, plus the new comments of Otis Moss III, and now the outrageous, outlandish rantings of Fr. Michael Pfleger while a visiting speaker at the church -- it was all too much.

The Obama Campaign knew their guy had to cut his losses. The American public was finding the church to be more and more extremist.

But with so many apparent supporters or Jeremiah Wright, and Moss and Phelger(!?!) to be seen on this weblog, will Obama now be seen as an opportunist, willing to throw his former spiritual advisors under the bus for the sake of appearances, to advance his political campaign?

Interesting how the Obama campaign let the news slip out on a weekend, just as the news of the Florida-Michigan delegate resolution was breaking. Do you suppose that Obama submitted a letter of resignation days ago, and the campaign held the story until just the right moment?

A "Wright" moment?

I work on organs for MOST of the black churches in Boston & Providence & have NEVER heard any of them preach the Hatred that Wright has for America... No wonder Obama won't salute our flag...

I am still hearing echoes of voices in the media saying that Rev. Wright's comments about the government being responsible for the spread of AIDS in the African-American community (he did not say that the government invented the disease) were little more than paranoid rhetoric.

As a young woman living in San Francisco during the 80's, i watched helplessly as many friends died from the disease as the president and government did little to nothing to help us for years. We thought the government was trying to kill us off, and It wasn't much of a stretch to come to that conclusion.

I am quite certain that the government did allow AIDS to spread in certain communities; as a matter of fact, I was witness to it. No one cared when it was just drug addicts (often minorities) and Homosexuals dying off.

As Americans we have varied histories and experiences; don't be so sure that his fears are unfounded. We weren't all brought up in nice, white-collar, white bread communities, yanno.

Thank you Mr. Moyer, A friend sent me a clip of the piece you did with Dr. Wright. Although I don't understand or agree with all of his views and I certainly do not agree on how he has handled himself in the media, but some of his views is right on target. Dr. Wright has step on some toes and the people who are yelling the loudest are guilty of the deep rooted ugly feelings they have for African Americans. Some of the whites that disagree or just don't care to hear or understand are simply afraid to say out loud; I DONOT WANT TO LOSE MY POWER! This is a power struggle. I thank you Mr. Moyer and I wished we could get you on Prime time telvision. You have spoken the truth for both sides. What do we need to do to get your voice heard loud and clear.

The Children Must Adapt…..
BJ,
You bring up an interesting hidden truth in the Black community. I believe Pastors like Rev. Wright help these children realize that they come from a strong people, that they can achieve greatness and to believe in themselves. It is this truth that you mention, that I believe is a huge problem and why in some cases the children do not make it past the 11th grade. We must begin to discuss this openly because it is my belief that we lose some of these children during what I will call the awakening period or transformation period. Some of our children do grow up wishing they were White and this may be an issue more in the suburbs than in the city. I believe by the time they get to 6th and 7th grade it is a determining factor time on what course in life this child will experience. While their ancestors suffered greatly, they now have a chance to reach for the stars. These children deal with or experience some of what I listed below before the 8th grade or they have a higher chance to be on a separate course in life that is negative.
If they have not dealt with some of the following by the Eighth grade and the inner struggle or have strong people in their lives to help them resolve issues they face and questions they ask, during the transformation, they could be headed for failure in life.:
1. They should learn history and past sins inflicted on their ancestors so that they understand how valuable it is to vote ensuring history will never repeat itself as well as have a strong Pastor to help them understand forgiveness like Rev. Wright.
2. They must deal with the fact that they will never be White and enjoy the benefits of being the Majority race and white; however, they can live side by side and still live happy and achieve greatness.
3. They could never straighten their hair enough.
4. I would say, the child could never be President of this great nation however; Obama may have buried this issue and thereby, changing the course of history. African American, Mulatto, Black, Negro, Colored, Brown parents will no longer say to our children Son you can be the president of the United States of America and the Parent feel like they have just told their son a half truth like the Santa Claus fairy tale or Tooth fairy tale the we so often tell our children. This parent is praying that when the child comes to the realization that this ideal will never happen that their hearts will not be broken. America has shown that it is possible except for a few states this dream can be realized. People working together for change seeing no color but working together to be innovators in America.
5. They must accept the fact that they must work three times harder than their white counterpart to even be judged by the content of their character and erase all the stereotypes and stigmas attached to the darker one. They must be extraordinary in their talents, gifts and knowledge and they must not fight or rebel against this because it is just the way it is. In striving for greatness, they will benefit regardless. There will be more stress however, if they take care of their bodies they could beat the odds and live just a little longer.
6. They must swallow their pride when injustices occur due to the person in Authority and that person’s subconscious belief system.
7. They must deal with the fact that if one time, I mean one time they get their name in the " Police System" and end up at the court house pleading their case, their life as they know it is over. There is no redemption once you become a member of the Prison system and are found in the Police database.
8. Once these children’s names are mixed up in the “System” someone enacted a law that says three strikes and your out. If this child rolls his eyes wrong this child could end up in prison.
9. These children must realize that if they try to escape reality and fall prey to the great evil “substance abuse”, there are special laws waiting for them and different laws for their lighter counterpart. When they get mixed up in this terrible habit they will be considered trash and expendable, while their lighter counter part will have all this Nation’s resources thrown at them to save them, it will be characterized differently for their lighter counterparts. The drugs their lighter counterparts prefer will carry less weight therefore no jail time for growing and using the "substance" and the media will say they are self medicating. When the darker ones engage in this behavior they will lock them up and throw away the key. When the darker counterparts are caught doing something wrong they will be judged by the full weight of the law while the media will call their lighter counterpart misbehavior “youthful indiscretions.” The inmate will come to a funeral and you would have all but forgotten about him and the love you have for him you take a 2nd look and se he is walking as if he had shackles on like a caged animal, shuffling his feet and drooping his head. Then you remember, he was in the car and some how got the same punishment as the perpetrators. He didn't know what they were doing, he was trying to hang with the big kids. He was a good kid at the wrong place at the wrong time. I could be wrong on this, so please educate me if somehow I’ve characterized this known phenomena incorrectly.
10. They must assimilate, adapt, conform and not feel that they have somehow become subservient like their ancestors or a 2nd class citizen.
11. They must realize by rebelling against the act of conforming they will surely live like a slave in prison. The very thing they are rebelling against is where they are headed toward. It is the consequence of failure to assimilate. There are ways to celebrate your individuality and still adapt and conform.
12. These children must realize that they must not rely only on the teacher to teach them but teach themselves. Pick up a book read, research, study, write about it. Our ancestors in some cases taught themselves when it was illegal for a Black to go to school, assemble together or be taught to read. Our ancestors strived for greatness under far worse conditions than the children today face. If our ancestors could endure ungodly conditions and still strive for greatness, lead people to freedom, fight for freedom and teach their children, then surely this child can achieve greatness even though there may be no heat in home, no hot water due to high gas prices and the rate increases as well as parents struggling financially due to 5/11 injustices posted below and finally no food.

Parents, we need to tell these children “so what the teacher disrespects you!”, that is going to happen more often than not in life. We need to say “So what, they hang a noose out side and bully you.” ‘Child, by attempted to right a wrong, the ones who are the majority will show you just what happens when a Negro gets to big for his britches.” Are the Gina Six still in jail? We need to say, does that in anyway change their self worth or who they are? We need to communicate or say listen, children you have what it takes to succeed in life! You have all the ingredients to achieve greatness! If you feel you are not learning in the classroom tell a parent try to get the lesson on PowerPoint with step-by-step instructions! Learning should not be a guessing game. Try on-line classes. Seek help with the school guidance. There are teachers who genuinely want to see you succeed in life. Seek out veteran teachers who are more interested in teaching you than usurping their authority over you or making an examples out of you. Newer teachers have to grow into the position especially with teaching children. They are learning to be in authority and will go to the extreme to usurp their authority calling everything and anything disrespectful. Veteran teachers have learned ways to teach children realizing that all children do not learn the same and that the 30 students, one black board, no book and one teacher style does not work for all children. Some times you have to read it, write it, say it and seek out a different book to read from a different author’s point of view. Some children are visual and some need to experience it to learn it. Unfortunately we could not discuss this because “machine” knew how to drive the public debate and change the subject and deliberately set out to discredit Rev. Wright and humiliate a person by the sheer media coverage Two Radio stations from sun up to sun down. The “machine” then applied a technique as old as “Jim Crow” days. If you associate with the N word than you will be considered the N word. The “machine” applied this technique to those great White Warriors who fought for the Blacks and in some cases risking life, limb and freedom to ensure Blacks were free and saved from abuse. If these warriors I speak of were seen with a Black then they too were fair game to be equally abused. You see this same tactic with Wright and Obama debate. Wow, when I think of what we could have done to save so many children and help the achieve greatness if we decided as a nation to dialogue instead of ridicule…oh well, can’t cry over spilled milk now.

Too bad we do not have a Radio station or Tool like Fox that will spend sun up to sun down dealing with the frustrations and issues we face daily. Tavis Smiley and Derrick McGinty has to follow the mainstream media rules, while the “machine” follow no rules, so all these hidden issues are buried until the next great communicator dare deal with issues to heal this nation and the Twoism of America. They have all but marginalized Rev. Al Sharpton and Rev. Jackson.

Parents, if we do not come together and discuss this we will continue to see our kids placed on the track for the industrial prison complex. Rev. Wright tried to sound the alarm however, they closed their ears and through stones. By the 11th grade these children will be set on a course to spend the rest of their life in prison and will lose the right to VOTE for life. Parents will think it is their child that is the problem and will go along with the lie and will not go to the school and find out just what is happening to your child. Some kids have realized by 8th grade how to adapt and have found coping skills to deal with inner struggle however, most who were not raised in the church and of course some who were will on the surface appear to rebel and by the 11th grade they will be tracked from School, reform school, barred from school and then to Prison.

If Barrack Obama became our President, nothing would please me more than if he reconciled with Jeremiah Wright and appointed him either Director of Homeland Security/National Intelligence or Ambassador to the United Nations. Wright provides the EXPERIENCE we need. Hell, Clinton or McCain could also benefit from Rev. Wright in their administration! He could remind everyone how public office remains a sacred trust even after the required separation of church and state.

Posted by: Jack Martin

Amen!

If Barrack Obama became our President, nothing would please me more than if he reconciled with Jeremiah Wright and appointed him either Director of Homeland Security/National Intelligence or Ambassador to the United Nations. Wright provides the EXPERIENCE we need. Hell, Clinton or McCain could also benefit from Rev. Wright in their administration! He could remind everyone how public office remains a sacred trust even after the required separation of church and state.

May God watch over those suffering from Great turmoil and disasters. My heart and my tears continues to be with them and my prayers are with them every minute of the day that more will be saved from this tragic moment in time across the ocean. We are their brothers and sisters today. God bless their children and save their children and families.

Let them speak part II:

When we the people challenge you on subjects such as Where did Aids come from? and why is it the the Black population has the highest rate and why was Africa cited as the origin? Is it some genetic reason that Blacks and gays have such a high concentration of the disease or is this information propaganda also? When we point out our arrogance, get the best and the brightest or better yet get the common man to discuss what they believe. There is no wrong or right answer.

While we waste time on issues that don't aid us in our day to day living we missed the chance to make a change in our future.

There is a pattern in the political realm of America and it is no accident that we are discussing recessions, depression and redistribution of wealth in my opinion. Living through our economy for the last 40 years and analyzing our the political scandals and decision, I have noticed a pattern. Ask the question. Who is in power when the stock market, financial market, housing market, savings and loan market, oil market, accounting market, as well as other entities that rise and fall in worth and prices are low? Is it the RepublicDEM reigning? When there is a down turn in the economy it is a good thing for those who can afford to buy houses and stock and anything that is low in worth. The segment of the population that benefit from a economic downturn is the “have mores”. These investors and business owners realize that when the DemRublican are elected that stock worth will rise and housing equity will rise and it is a win/win for the RepublicanDEM and DEMRebpublican who are part of the “have more” segment of the population. The fact that the “haves” and the “have nots” are unable to take real advantage of the stock market during a down turn in the economy ,except through their employer, is why the redistribution of wealth through the following are a huge problem:
1. overtaxing food, fuel for cars, property, income, capital gains, payroll taxes, cable, fuel for homes, electric, water , county taxes , etc,
2. high interest rates for housing ,cars and property.
3. penalties for withdrawing you own money from your 401k plan during a economic down turn is a problem.
The fact that in a down turn of our economy, that the “haves” and the “have nots” are unable to purchase property as an investment and realize the ROI when the market goes up again is also a real problem.
It is a coincidence that an Oil Man is president and the Oil Market is reporting record profit. It is disturbing to hear that people actually believe that we don’t remember history, we don’t move to change history, and finally that we don’t care.

We don't forget and yes we have good memories, is instead of thinking of Americans as stupid people who can't see the forest before the trees start thinking of ways that we can let our voices be heard. When we tell you what the average person is facing, investigate. When we say there is a problem with the Scoring system, investigate. Listen to Rev. Wright's points. Investigate each one of them then report. Don't kill the messenger before the message has been debated.

Of course, I could have it all wrong and welcome a debate on Let them speak Part 1 and Part II.

Let them speak Part I:
Let me say that you all have brought up good points and I am liberated to be able to debate and discuss issues that affect the American people.
We must realize that in less than a week or so, Rev. Wright exposed the hidden issues that many of the “Have mores”, “elite society”, “concentration of power ‘Ole Great ones’” or “special membership” or whoever this few / 10 % group of people are and the special interest groups do not want discussed in the public debate arena. Anytime the injustices that I mention on 5/11 are discussed, it puts a segment of the population or a special group of people on the defense and thereby making it impossible for them to drive the public debate or discussion to advance their own agenda or propaganda. The ones who blindly follow these “elites” believe they are a card carrying member, who will benefit by advancing the agenda and arguments of the few in power. If you bring up something off the subject, they can not debate if it is off Script from what their favorite commentator handed them that day..
If mainstream, America is discussing real problems, that real people face on a daily basis that is affecting their quality of life, then real solutions can be found to address them. If the “have” and the “have nots” are busy working, paying high fees, paying loan sharking fees, usury fees, living paycheck to paycheck, living by the rule of law, being denied access to the inside membership of this group and the benefits this special group are able to enjoy, then they have no time to address the fleecing of America or the issues that matter most to our nation such as WAR.
A segment of our populations has made an art form of the political debate arena that has been developed and the “elite” or “machine” have mastered this art form. All one has to do is listen a few times to the following pundits, commentators and self described experts, to understand how rooted this issues have become in our society as they dance around the race issue or their attempt to demonize anyone who disagrees with their way of thinking:
1. Fox news
2. Hannity
3. Ann C.
4. Rush Limbaugh
5. Levine the Ole great one
6. Don IMUS
7. All other media outlets who have become basically cowards, after the Dan Rathers’ of the worlds and others who dare challenge the “machine” are castrated.
These people thrive off of dancing around the race issue, calling the best and the brightness of our nation non-patriotic , calling anyone who they believe will threatened their cause, a fascist, a communist, victim and they have even gotten to the point where they can interchange the “N” word for anything. Any other thought process that goes against this “machine” is thought to be a conspiracy theorist person which can be equated easily to the N word thereby delegitimizing public descent and public discourse. This concentration of power and the continued consolidation of our mainstream communication vehicle has effectively prevented a true debate on any issue that matters to the American People and affect us on a daily basis thereby allowing the continued fleecing of America.
The same theme of calling a race of people the “N” word and their men a “Boy” has not gone away. It is alive and well. This “machine” is able to in one day, ruin a person’s reputation, cause this person to lose any influence in society, and even reduce them to a humiliation of society or so we think by running their propaganda machine from sun up to sun down on the radio. Have you ever wondered where the video or the tapes of a conversation of people who are in the business of challenging the establishment of power have come from or who created the tape to begin with knowing we have a Constitution in place and the rule of law ? Look at the tapes that mysteriously appeared of Rev. Al Sharpton or Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King. The people that make it to the “black list” of the concentration of power” better know that any human defect that they posses, will be exposed by this elite group of people in an effort to delegitimize the “black listed’ in the public debate arena and to utterly humiliate them. The “machine’s” listeners, hang off their every word and are an army force, who are quick to call you a non-patriot or suggest you are someone who does not love their country as much as we do. The fact is we love our country more and we work at democracy of this great republic daily! Our ancestor shed blood for this country that you and I could live in peace. These noble people will never be able to take this away from us. NEVER!!!!

I do not blame the Listeners of the “machine” for the following reasons:
1. They are rightfully so, angry about not being able to say what they feel in their hearts about a race of people for the last 40 years.
2. They were not allowed to live they way they wanted separate and unequal.
3. They hate civil rights and racial quotas.
4. They believe they are a more moral people before 1966.
5. They believe they are law abiding citizens and those of fall fate of their wrath deserve the broom stick , the 50 shots on their wedding eve, the three strikes and your are out, the stiffer laws, the 28% interest rates, the ghettos, the economic status and the low FICO SCOREs.
6. They believe we are victims and that we are solely to cause for our misfortune in most cases despite the higher fees for one set of Americans and the lower fees for the other set.
7. They were unable to keep their children from going to school with the “colored’ ones.
8. They feel that they should not pay the price or be blamed for the sins of some whose father s were apart of demonizing a race of people and enslaving them, raping their wives and doing unspeakable acts to their children, their men and daughters. They feel their families came over and worked as hard and never enslaved anyone. Some won’t even check and will say they had nothing to do with the cruelty to a race of people for 400 years.
9. Some feel they are a superior race and are entitled to riches of this world and all others should bow to them and be their slaves.
10. Some feel what was done to the Colored ones was not as bad as what was done to those who got reparations for their miss-fortune in life and think that the colored ones should just shut-up and stop whining and get over it despite still living the affects of JIM Crow and black law disguised as something else.
11. Some blame the Colored ones for their “white guilt” what every that means. (Can some explain this to me?)

These noble Americans had a right to believe and live the way they wanted and in 20/20 hindsight should have not been made to bury their true feelings and be demonized just because their wanted a different way of life. Some of them moved from Democratic to Republican party in late 1960s and by 1974 they had gained control of the once great Republican party who stood for the party of the Great Lincoln who was a friend of Frederick Douglas.
Now, it is easy for me to suggest that these noble Americans should have been allowed to at the very least voice their opinions even while change in America was occurring, and maybe they did. However, in the last 30 years these noble Americans who fall prey to the 10% rhetoric have been silent, driven underground, speaking in codes and singing songs in codes similar to the underground railroad that liberated so many slaves in the past. It is easy for me to call them nobile and a just people that should have been given a right to communicate their personal beliefs because I am judged by most part for my ability and the content of my character and instead of my color when it comes to getting a good job. It is easy for me to hold this opinion, as I am one of the beneficiaries in the last 40 years to go to school with white girls and white boys who have been my best friends all my life, who treated me like their sister, I did not go to separate bathrooms, or separate water fountains or sit on the back of the bus or taken to a back of the restaurant where the dogs ate crumbs and I was on the surface treated like I was equal, I was not humiliated or my dignity destroyed. The question is did driving the public discourse on the “Black” issue in America underground, change the course of history?
The “elite” or “machine” now capitalizes on this known fact that causes Twoism of America and the listeners blindly follow their commentator’s every word and even changing their political party to undermine our great experiment called Democracy. These followers around the US called it “Operation Chaos.” These noble Americans call themselves the true Patriots and anyone who disagrees with them may be subject to their “come by here, my Lord” remix or deemed an enemy.
This “machine” living by the motto, that the more a “lie” is repeated and discussed it will become the “truth” in mainstream media or they can rewrite history while we are living it. Their commentators then manipulate the public debate by using the word “Drive by” to discuss anyone who would dare challenge their primitive thinking or challenge their concentration of power or special membership they hold to get entitlements like warefare recipients from the trickle down from the 10%. If for some reason this trickle down does not make it to the followers , the 10% could always blame the Black and the Brown for stealing their jobs and changing their way of life. The media then follows like puppy dog does with his tail tucked between their legs when they are ashamed or afraid because the very people who now own there business or the media business will surely correct their behavior if they step out of line.
The causality of allowing this machine to grow year after year is the following:
1. Rev. Wright’s rebuttal to America’s past wrongs that he spoke at the NAACP and Press Club became household “N” word.
2. Howard Dean who believed passionately along with his followers what they were doing was removed from mainstream America and the debate even though it was a grassroot effort.. They made Howard Dean’s expression of passion, for what he believed, to be a household “N” word. Genius, don’t you think? They know something about the human mind and how the “herd mentality” or “group think” could drive public debate subjects or discussions.
3. The machine “swifted boated” or made the casting of doubt on someone’s patriotic duty a household “N” word. When one attempted to turn this on the “elite” their leader the news reporter himself was ostracized and the media through the stones the hardest. Genius! we are left wondering how did that happen?

4. President Clinton, feeling his oats ,seduced by a very controlled woman who had the presence of mind to save a blue dress with evidence, another woman who had the presence of mind to tape her, an out of control Attorney General Kenneth Starr who not only made Mrs. Clinton look like a fool when she found out her husband actually had a human defect as old as sin as well as a willing Congress who was willing to impeach a man for his human failure and finally a media who failed to ask the question, why was it that a man’s failure to past the test of seduction was worthy of impeachment and his attempt to save face in a court of law rather than asked the question should a President be impeached for falsifying the reasons for going to war and placing dark faces in front of countries and the UN to perpetrate the lie even further as well as outing of a CIA agent. They demonize anyone who will dare ask the question. Genius!

5. When a woman of color, said what did you know and when did you know it after 9/11? She was ostracized, the media allow picture of her to look like she was crazy as guards harassed her when she entered the Congress building. They made sure they took pictures that could mislead the public.


They are masters at what they do and they are to be admired for the way they have run this machine for the last 40 years, since the civil rights era which is at the center of their disgust with America and the cause of the “machine” to be developed in the first place. At least I think. It may be bigger than the race issue now. It may be about money or the love of money. The race issue may be a bait to keep control of their own followers or subjects that will communicate their propaganda day in and day out.
While we the people, continue to fall prey, to their ability to drive WHAT Americans will debate and WHAT Americans will not debate in the public arena, they are refining and enhancing this “machine”. They now have the internet to reach millions. A few Big corporations have a huge “database” with your personal information in it. These businesses sit on Boards together thinking of ways to get their money back from the American people who may have won it in a lawsuit or Insurance litigation. They sit on special boards of schools in Utah and other places meeting regularly thinking of ways to make money. The insurance companies meet to figure out how to drag a case out and make the jury of your peers believe you, the working person, is a awful person with all your injuries while the one who are a fault are without responsibility in a simple accident. The courts now side with the businesses on a regular basis and they have demonized Trial lawyers by sighting a few crazy cases as an example to demonize a worthy cause which is “fighting for the American people”.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with making money or believing what you believe or living the way you want to live as long as it does not affect your neighbor; however, when one that disagrees with you such as Rev. Wright, Maxine Waters or others, steps out of line, then the “Machine” goes work. You may make a phone call to the person who has been “black listed” by the “Machine” “angry white men” from the Reagan era or top 10% of society and find yourself out of a job the very next day. This is how you drive public debate. Put fear in the average American person who just want to live, work, raise their family , love their God, their country and their neighbor, and help those in need. This fear is great and has stymied the American people and now the press also have fallen victim. Have you ever wondered why “BET” does not cover what a segment of the population is discussing anywhere in their programming such as Fox News who is a tool of the machine? BET does not discuss any issue their audience face. Strange? They keep in line with the same old propaganda.
Now that our media has basically become cowards and the consolidation of the media ownerships and the consolidation of the newspaper industry and the harnessing of the information this will continue to be a force to be reckoned with.
Ask yourself, whoever you are, whether you are the “have”, “have nots”, black, brown, yellow, red, blue, purple, gay, straight, Christian, Jew, Muslim, Protestant, Catholic, native, Alaskan, immigrant, guess worker, legal alien, the invisible people, how do we make a change to ensure you children and your children’s children live in peace?
1. How do we find new ways to allow our nation to discuss issues that affect us?
2. How do we stop the “machine” from driving what we will discuss and what we will not discuss?
3. How do we stop the demonization of people such as Ron Paul, Reagan, Ollie North, President Bush Senior,Bush Sr’s wife who was only commenting on the truth after Katrina! Kennedy, Roosevelt, or Al Gore or Senator Warner or Conservatives or Democrats who are not part of this “machine”?
4. How do we stop the twisting of facts and the demonization of people who dare to disagree?
5. How do we expose when a person does disagree and loses their job or somehow become prey of the “machine” because they dare challenge the establishment?
Look, we have got to get to a place where we Agree to Disagree! There are some things we will never see eye to eye on due to our differences and our different experiences in life. However, all of us want to live happy, raise our families, work, make money, live healthy, provide the best for our posterity and so much more that we have in common. We do agree that there is too much taxes on the people and we do not want government controlling our personal lives unless is harms the human. We believe in religious freedoms.
I am a firm believer that people should not be demonized if they do not like Black people or disagree with the civil rights movement. They are entitled to what they believe. If they don’t like you because of your race or your economic status here is why you want to let them have a voice in society:
1. You don’t want them teaching your child causing you child to become angry and drop out of school by the 11th grade due to injustices they see on a daily basis in their schools.
2. You don’t want to live by them.
3. You don’t want them investigating why 50 shots were needed to take down your finance who was unarmed.
4. You don’t want them investigating your 14 year old daughter’s brutal murderer and wondering why as a mother, the murderer has not been found in your county, while another in the same county ,who was lighter, killed by a drive-by alleged murderer was tracked down in another state and shot in the door while the ones tracking became judge and jury.
5. You don’t want them serving you food if they don’t want you in their restaurant.
6. You don’t want them making the decision on your health or how much money you will pay or where you will live.
I say it again. It is much better for them to be overt than covert, therefore, I commend the Rush Limabuagh’s , Levine, Hannity and others for giving a voice to those who also dare to disagree with civil rights movement or racial quotas.
People let them talk! If Don Imus wants to call someone a name and show his ignorance, then by all means ,let him do it. You have a choice not to listen to him. If Jimmy the Great wants to tell a little history lesson about how the “elite breed black man and women because the evil people who could dream up such a evil act were an immoral people and that is why he believed that this race of beautiful people are strong and athletic, then by all means let him say it. Because you can’t debate what you can’t see and the consequence is no one will be able to challenge or speak the opposite such as Rev. Wright.
There is a pattern in the polictical

gaprddesc (5/11) lists many continuing injustices and rightfully asks for reason; Moises (4/26) may be venting passionately rather than offering "scientific" discourse, but if you
have no comprehension of American apartheid or compassion for those who suffered under Jim Crow, then you're suffering from snowblindness; d'ann (4/26) and others have appropriately pointed to American history as one way to understand Rev. Wright's apparent diatribes; that's where I will add another thought, specifically regarding the "chickens have come home to roost sermon" for the 'love it or leave it position' taken by John (5/13) and others who, I believe, are not looking past the propoganda machine.

The context for Rev. Wright's sermon, if one were permitted or willing to listen to it, would have been made plain. For just a few historical examples:

(1) The British enlisted the aid of Arabia against the Ottoman Empire in World War I. Remember Lawrence? He was able to forge that alliance because he was authorized to promise independence to the Arabs following defeat of the Ottomans. At Versailles, the British broke that promise. The United States has inherited Britain's role and reputation in the region.
(2) Do you know that contemporary Iraq was created by the Allied Powers after World War I?
(3) Near the end of World War II, President Roosevelt reached an agreement with King Abd al-Aziz ibn Saud to support the House of Saud's rule in order to assure Western access to Saudi Arabian oil.
(4) Iranians remember well that their democratically elected Prime Minister, Mohammad Mosaddeq, was overthrown in a coup engineered by American agents that resulted in
concessions to American oil companies.

If, like Rev. Wright, we knew something about American foreign policy that has been and continues to be designed to profit big corporate contributors, maybe we'd be less likely to create the conditions that lead to retaliatory events like those of September 11, 2001.

Black liberation theology is not racist. Check your facts. Dr. King is from the same tradition. I guess Dr. King was a racist as well. Check your facts again. Obviously you know nothing about the history of liberation theology and have not heard Dr. Wright's sermons in full. Dr. Wright has not criticized any other religion or race. Having pride in Blackness is not racist.

BJ

I think that William Andrews’ post of May 7 on this blog eloquently gets to the crux of the Rev. Wright controversy, wherein Mr. Andrews states “It offends Americans that he includes the United States among the perpetrators of illegitimate state violence…the evidence is of no importance. All that matters is the comfortable assumption that the United States uses violence responsibly and only as a last resort. There is no greater offense than disturbing that assumption and that comfort.”

I have seen that offense, face to face, while marching in an anti-war protest and being called a terrorist by a counter-protester, because I carried a sign that read “War is a Racket” – a quote from Brigadier General Smedley Butler.

Here in the United States of Amnesia, as Gore Vidal so aptly puts it, there is little knowledge among the general populace of our history, and what is taught is largely sanitized, and those people on whom our actions have been and continue to be inflicted, both here and abroad, are largely dismissed. There is a correlation between the African American’s enslaved ancestor, whose only record of existence can be found on the master’s estate inventory with the hogs and chickens, listed not by name but gender, age, and whether black or mulatto, and the fact that today’s hang-wringing debate over what to do about Iraq does not involve even a mention of what the Iraqi people want us to do, which, by the way, according to polling by our own government, is for the U.S. to end its occupation of their country.

But these ones, whether counted as property or, if we bother, as collateral damage, don’t matter – they don’t even have any good slogans to rally behind, like “States’ Rights”, or “Remember the Main”, or “There, Not Here”… and because we don’t fully know, acknowledge, confront our history, and consequently apply that wisdom to the present, we continue to allow and even support the actions and policies of our government that the good Rev. Wright tells us God would condemn.

We still do not know if Obama believes or subscribes to Black Liberation Theology. It matters to me if he does hold those views of blacks and whites and will take it into the White House with him. He has rid himself of Jeremiah Wright for other things said - not because Wright is a Black Liberation Theologian. Oh that subject, Obama has been mute.

Correction:

I meant eugenics was practiced in the U.S. and African American woman where sterilized, most times without their knowledge.

Charles:

African Americans have very good reason not to trust the government and link it to HIV/AIDS. The Tuskegee experiment was not stopped in 1972 and their was a cure found in 1947. And eugenics was practiced on African American women. Most times without their knowledge. This knowledge and mistrust of the government is simply passed down from our elders. The U.S. is all too good at trying to cover up so many injustices that not only happened to Black Americans but native Americans and immigrants as well. I have heard stories of African American males getting castrated as well in the past.

Dr. Wright is not political campaigning for Obama and so what if he is, he has a member/ex-member that is running for President. Dr. Wright is trying to instill pride in African American culture. Other cultures do the same thing. Don't you know that Black children grow up wishing they were white at some periods in their life. Some how they are getting the message in school and abroad that being Black is bad and being White is good. How? Dr. Wright speaks truth when he says "Different not deficient." Other cultures in America instill pride in their culture and religious affiliations and they do not have to apologize for it. Why should Dr. Wright and the African American Christian community? Being pro Black is not being anti-White or racist.

Why don't people know the the history of Christianity during enslavement and how the Black church come about? Other cultures have their own churches as well. The media depiction has been very unfair and slanderous in trying to cast Trinity and other African American majority churches in a cultist light. Do not be fooled by the media.

Hagee do not compare to or parallel Dr. Wright and the two can not be compared.

BJ

BJ - I am sorry. I don't equate "misspeaking" with what became a central thesis of a prepared speech to the largest dinner audience in America, broadcast on national television.

Wright is thoroughly unrepresentative of what I view as mainstream Christianity in America. So is Reverend Hagee. I have attended a wide variety of Protestant and Catholic churches, and the kind of political rhetoric that seems to be routinely utilized by Jeremiah Wright and John Hagee seems to me to be extreme.

It is puzzling and disturbing to me, the number of commenters who have said that Wright's most controversial views are actually shared by significant percentages of the African-American community; that what he is saying is not felt to be radical; and that the amount of political speechmaking and secular history theorizing is not unusual for any black church.

If indeed that is really the case, then I'd say that all churches -- the few white churches like Hagee's and the the many black churches like Wright -- ought to do a whole lot more Christianity and a whole lot less political campaigning.

The Sacrifical lamb.
Rev Wright did nothing more then review History! Granted the 'Deveolpment of AIDs' may appear to be 'off the Wall' to anyone who has avoid our Gov'ts activities when it comes to ANY minority. But one thing they can Not deny (if the return just back to the Reagna Regime0 Is that it was intentionally allowed to flourish in the minority Communties- And which is more criminal the investion or it's spread?
I was never offended by Wright, in fact he could have gotten this 'Recovered Catholic' back in the Pew.
I left Heirarchial Organized Religion because it constantly was a odds with what was Written in the Bible.They spewed hate, or just Judgement on 'Creations', They determined what would be their punishment, They demanded our undying loyality (worship) of Their interpretations, They even decided who would be saved & who would not. Blasphamy & heresay.Judging the 'Almighty's 'Creation' placing themselves above to levy judgements and sentencing, demanding they be worshipped like Idols and proclaiming divine knowledge regarding what an omnipotent being has planned for the great Design. Mere Moratls claiming to be 'Holier than Thou' not just US but their own maker. Evangelicals like Hagee & parsley go even father then even the Catholic church they threaten and Push 'God' to bring about 'Judgement DAy' so they will be 'Rapture' Telling God they are the Chosen generation.Arrogance beyond anyone with real belief. Such required participation from Man to fulfill a great Design tells me this entity they worship is not the 'almighty' but a lesser more devious Being. there arrogance reminds me more of an ArchAngel who was Cast Down for just such reasons!Who do they really worship, work for..'Could it be Satan' (Dana Carvey- "Curch Lady" prophetic) certainly he would be such a entity that would require their assistance in this matter.Hagee & Parsley are not just dangerous Sociopaths to this country (and the world, considering their friends & followers in high places) They are the worst Form of Heretics!

Nicholas A Loisos:

Could it be that you can't understand how Bill Moyers reached his point of view because you are ONLY seeing things from YOUR OWN point of view? Clearly the media took what Dr. Wright said out of context. And this is not the first time the media has tried to ruin someone for their own agenda. Black, White or Brown. They are supposed to report the news unbiased. Not use sound bites to sum up what a person is about. Bill Moyers allowed us to see who Dr. Wright was and all he has accomplished to go along with the sound bites.

BJ

Charles,

Dr. Wright simply miss spoke in his understanding of what Dr. Hale was trying to say in her book. No big deal, people miss speak all of the time. Again, you are looking for some reason not to like the man and link him to Senator Obama.
Dr. Wright not trusting the government and linking the government to HIV/AIDS and the demise of Black folks throughout the diaspora has nothing to do with his patriotism. He was not goddamning the American people, he was goddamning American policy (the bearucrats)for allowing innocent people to die due to arrogance. He is a pastor and this is typical from a religious man. Scripture talks about God punishing and damning people for sinful things all through it. America is not some all holy place that has never practiced terrorism. Isn't that why we go to church to pray for forgiveness of our sins etc?

BJ

The level of respect I have for Bill Moyers suffered some fraying when I clearly heard him blame the media for R. Wright's statements.

This is a clear case of a person with an incredibly twisted perspective of the world, which is more obvious as one listens to more of his "sermons." He is an extremist on the same level of a KKK person, intent on distortion for political agenda.

To say that it is disappointing that Bill M does not see this, is a vast understatement, one that I can only attribute perhaps to the aging process, catching up to him. I cannot see how else he can reach this point of view.

Bill:

Did you REALLY comment that the media was responsible for what came out of Rev. Wright's mouth...???

*Shaking my head in disbelief...!!!

THa would be like blaming the ambulance for the death of the patient.

Granted...the media loves to cover (even enflame...???) controversy, but to say they are the root cause of fomenting his responses. Respectfully, there is NO agreement. BOTH Rev. Wright and the press should aim for higher values and practices that demonstrate them.

Right now, as the hour grows near...we need to make a clear, concise, wise and unobstructed choice as to which Democratic candidate has the best chance of beating McCain...That's just the bare-naked truth of the matter...The alternative is unacceptable...This country has been damaged so severely in the last 7+ years by the current administration that I personally feel we need someone who's been there before or very close to it...The past elections scared me to my core...The imbecilic 'sheep' of this country, with the help of those who threw their vote away on the likes of a narcissist-Nader (or chose not to vote at all (which was inexcusable, considering the circumstances and importance of what was hanging in the balance 'OF OUR CHILDREN'S FUTURES!!' Or if you place ANY value on human life, whatsoever)...And lastly...& most importantly: 'How America allowed the (election,HA!) to be completely hijacked, held hostage, then outright stolen (or bought and paid for...either way, it was done openly for all-to-see, regardless of how illegal)...Just the simple fact that people, who have audacity to call themselves 'Americans' stood by and watched one of the most morally and ethically bankrupt instances in history take place 'without so much as making a peep'...Deciding instead to take the advice of the village idiot and 'go shopping'...I don't know...I just don't know what else to say...I'm saying the same things now that I said during the very 1st debate (Poor Gore, I still feel bad for what he was subjected to without a fistfight...That took will-power!)...I was really unable to even put two words together, in hopes of forming anything 'even' resembling a sentence...(then, the 'after the debate' political-pundit, talking-heads and their unbelievably-stupid comments...which continue on (& on) today...And yes, once again...yes, I'll say it once again..."We are surely 'all' headed straight to hell...in a petroleum-based, lead-painted, chinese-made, plastic handbasket (from walmart)...sadly, its deserved...that could the saddest part of it all (naturally, I mean besides the all the body bags and families without children or futures)..the saddest thing is that 'we deserve it', because 'for all the INACTION, we have to face the REACTION'...In closing, I really think we must have experience over anything else to close this election and get our country back on track...I think the republicans 'want' Obama as an opponent, simply because they can turn the reverend's comments into 'a doubt'...and they will given the opportunity...without question...THEY WILL...

Kahale - Let's just take one example. One example that does not and should not rely on soundbites, but is best understood in terms of detailed and lengthy context.

At his speech to the NAACP in Detroit, Rev. Wright went out of his way to acknowledge the professional work of Dr. Janice Hale of Wayne State University in Detroit. Wright then proceeded, in his own, uninterrupted words, to ramble on for four or five or more paragraphs about the differences between the Right-brain and Left-brain learning differences between white and black children.

As I sat and watched and listened to Wright's speech, broadcast live and uninterrupted by both Fox and CNN, I thought to myself, "This is a disaster. An unmitigated disaster for the Obama Campaign, and for Rev. Wright personally." I felt the same way as when I saw (also live), Howard Dean's "I have a scream" speech that marekd the disastrous end of his own Presidential speech. I thought, "No white person could ever say such things on television without the severest and most deserved criticism for racist junk science."

But at the time, Rev. Wright's comments didn't seem to sink in with many commentators. I was puzzled. Because now, I am convinced that I was right. And, no less an authority than Dr. Janice Hale herself -- mentioned by name by Rev. Wright -- appears to agree with me.

Check this link to columnist Rochelle Riley writing for the Detroit Free Press:

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080508/COL10/805080417

In that column, Ms. Riley notes Dr. Hale's mostly-polite horror at her work having been so badly misquoted by Reverend Wright.

So, in summary, this isn't a case of Wright's being the victim of a soundbite, nor of Wright's being taken out of context. I was "there" in terms of seeing the entire Wright/NAACP speech, live. I've re-read the transcript of the speech. There were no hostile reporters, no questions to Wright of any kind. He wasn't on the defensive that night; he was in front of an adoring audience that was primed to hear him speak. And, Wright had just come off the warm, friendly, softball interview with Bill Moyers.

Still, with all this going for him, Wright committed an embarassingly huge blunder. An error so great that the people he relied upon for his information want to dissociate themselves from him. Dr. Hale wants to dissociate herself from Wright's "neuroscience." And Barack Obama wants to dissociate himself from Wright's politics.

So, there is what I think is a pretty comprehensive case against Wright's value as a speaker. And I didn't even have to mention his AIDS conspiracy theory, or his equation of the United States with terrorist organizations.

Please go on youtube or whatever you choose & PLEASE tell me what was INcorrect about what this man said & how it DID NOT come out of & tie into the Biblical Scriptures! Now make sure you watch the WHOLE THING/SERMON & put everything in CONTEXT (con=with or within; text=written or spoken body) before you truly form an opinion. If after that, you understand, but you STILL have issue with his words or the choice thereof, then say what you will. However, don't act COMLETELY ignorant, or at least look in & around the BANDWAGON before you COMPLETELY jump on board!!!

Thank you.

Please go on youtube or whatever you choose & PLEASE tell me what was INcorrect about what this man said & how it DID NOT come out of & tie into the Biblical Scriptures! Now make sure you watch the WHOLE THING/SERMON & put everything in CONTEXT (con=with or within; text=written or spoken body) before you truly form an opinion. If after that, you understand, but you STILL have issue with his words or the choice thereof, then say what you will. However, don't act COMLETELY ignorant, or at least look in & around the BANDWAGON before you COMPLETELY jump on board!!!

Thank you.

First of all a preacher shouldn't be damning America to its parishiners if he doesn't like it go live somewhere else no one is forcing him to stay. He said alot of anti-american remarks and Obama should have denounced him from day one thats one reason I will not support him. I just can't trust him there is something about him that is not trustworthy from the people he dealt with to never really answering honestly questions about his relations with these anti-americans. Every church I've been to has never cut down blacks or america and if this isn't racial I don't know what is . We are talking about the next President here not a grocery clerk lets get real. I hope Hillary goes Independant and takes away his chances from becoming the first anti-american President.

Are John F. Kennedy or Robert F. Kennedy the kind of "Catholic politicians" you are talking about? John Kerry? Teddy Kennedy? Patrick Kennedy? Dick Durbin? Pat Leahy? How about Robert Casey, Jr. (D-PA), Barbara Mikulski (D-MD), Robert Menendez (D-NJ), Mary Landrieu (D-LA), Ken Salazar (D-CO), Tom Harkin (D-IA), Maria Cantwell (D-WA), Patty Murray (D-WA), Jack Reed (D-RI), Christopher Dodd (CT-D) or Claire McCaskill (D-MO)? All "Catholic politicians," every one. Should they all take responsibility for "travesties" in the priesthood?

It seems to me that this Comments thread has jumped the tracks in terms of commentary on the methods of Bill Moyers' journalism, which is what I had presumed was its focus.

I think it is unfortunate that all this attention is being given to this man and His opinions. I wonder how many Catholic politicians knew their priest were molesting little childrens all the years that they sat in the pews and applauded their speeches?? Did they NOT know what their pastors or priest were capable of; are they not responsible for their behavior??? If they feel they are not responsible; then how can they blame Mr. Oboma for what another adult does; says or thinks. Some one should ask them what portion of responsibility do they share in the travesty that has affected so many children by the hands of those that many thought they could trust; like their Priest. It is a shame America; because you do not want to take responsibility for your ancestors behavior toward Africans whom were forced into slavery; but you waste so much energy on this pathetic issue in a presidential race. I think all politicians pastors should investigated if this is how it is going to be. Let see what the research shows; and how many have sorted backgrounds that they never knew about; but sat in the pews weekly.

Correction:
Applaud should be replaced Apall or outraged, sicken.

Charles,
It is Rev. Wright’s job to inform his congregation of those things he believes are true. It is our duty as citizens to study, research and explore whether Tuskegee incident could ever happen again. It is our duty that we research, study, confirm whether designer diseases could be created to target a certain race of people. If during your research, you find that those people in 1972 was a unique people and that it is not happening today, then it is your duty to debate this issue and inform the public. However, those of you that hear something, then dismiss immediately, as if it never happened, have no place in public debate. How can you debate someone who lacks knowledge of history and purposely stick their head in the sand and ignore the past?
I'm sure that people were offended and appalled when it was stated that Black men were being purposely infected with syphilis and that the U.S. government allowed this along with the Public Health System to continue for years. I am sure they were outraged as Americans to think that someone would even say that the government had the cure but did not treat black men up until 1972.
I’m sure that many of the incidents in our past were dismissed as not being true until they actually saw it on the T.V. and could not ignore it any longer.
I’m sure when someone said that police were sticking broom sticks up a black person’s personal part where dinner comes out that America was offended and applaud that someone had the gull to say that a member of our police department would do such a savage act.
I am sure when someone said that Black men were being beat beyond recognition by people in authority that many sat in the comfort of their homes, such as you, and dismissed the allegation until they saw it for themselves and even then thought that the person deserved the savage act.
What would you have people to do? Huh? Stick their head in the sand and not learn from the past? What is that saying when people ignore history…. Do they repeat it?
I’m sure to this day there are people in their homes, with comfort thinking concentration camps never happened and that people were not hung from a trees because of their color as people had a picnic with their families.
When you debate someone or try to dismiss someone’s allegations, do the research! Ask the hard questions! Ask where did it come from! Stop shooting the messenger. He could very well be wrong if he even said it, but you are wrong for not exploring the issue and purposely calling the man crazy! Dismiss a whole race of people distrust after Jim Crow laws, Slavery, Tuskegee, and Black Laws.
Here is the ironic thing, these same preachers who expose the fears some blacks have are the same preachers who say forgive them, love them, turn the other cheek, don’t harbor those feelings because it will only eat you up. It is the preacher who helps the person transform and rise above a few ignorant people who would treat mankind so bad.

We still live in the greatest country in the world who can ask these hard questions, then stop it from happening again. We live side by side no matter what the race or what we have been through whether it is Beruit or Pearl Harbor whether it is slavery or the civil war. We love one another as brothers and sister and cherish the freedom that we share despite what happened. That is what separates the U.S. from any other country! We learn from our mistakes and continue to work at the greatest experiment called America. We cannot allow a few ignorant evil people to change the way we treat each other. We debate each other and agree to disagree! We ask the hard questions and seek the truth! We love each other like brothers and sisters despite our differences! Despite hardships we work together. We have always looked out for each other even during slavery and civil rights. There were white people who saw the wrong and risk their own lives to save their black brother. We must never forget that. We cannot drive people's fears underground like we did those who hate blacks because of their color. They have a right to speak and we have a right to not hang around them. What was done to Rev. Wright should have never happened. If anything, it was a chance to change the minds of Black America that we have finally gotten to a place in time where no PHS or Government would ever treat its citizens less than human. We could have had an honest debate instead we demonized Rev. Wright and thereby demonizing all those black Americans who harbor this fear that could be killing them inside to this day. If we could have debated, got our best scientist and health official together to debate where AIDs came from we could have healed deep wounds. Instead we saw what was done when a so called "negro" steps out of place! He will be dismissed as a crazy man for even thinking that PHS could come up with such an evil act. Charles you are asking the hard questions, and that is a start. The dialogue must continue. I will be the first to say I am wrong when I am found to be wrong but calling me names and dismissing my ideas is not the answer. You just drive the hurt deeper causing more distrust.

Can anybody explain what good there is in telling the members of Trinity United Church of Christ that HIV was an invention of the U.S. government?

Sen. Obama says that such statements "are rightly offensive to most American."

So can anyone explain why Wright would ever have said it in the first place, why he wouldn't retract it and apologize, and why he would be defended for having said it?

Again, I ask specifically, what good does such a statement do for the churchgoers at Trinity?

Even Bill Moyers is repelled by the Wright allegations as to an AIDS conspiracy, right?

If in fact it is true that fear is the motivation for the demonization of African American, Black and Negro Reverends, what is it that they fear? Angry “white men”?
1. Do they fear redlining? Being steered to homes that are in bad areas, dangerous plants and electrical lines?
2. Do they fear walking in a bank with a better paying job, better credit score, and greater track record only to be denied or given enough to stay in debt, while their friend from other race, agrees to the experiment, applies for the loan that you did with lessor credit score, lessor paying job and they get the loan plus more money and you are denied or given just enough to stay in debt?
3. Do they fear a doctor telling them that their pain is in their head and let them continue to suffer and in some case die of something as simple as a cold?
3. Do they fear driving while white?
4. Do they fear that the demographic make up of the jails will change to a lighter color?
5. Do they fear being denied a job because of their color? Or Denied a position because they do not make enough to dress for success?
6. Do they fear walking in a store, head toward the electronic section and have a guard stand next to you and stare you down?
7. Do they fear that the teachers who were driven underground for the last 40 years and denied the chance to say what they believe in the hearts because of civil rights would be in the classroom teaching their child? And as a result writing their child up for small stuff and suspending your child from school for nothing, going to court to fight for your child to stay in the county schools? Then having the court stereotype your child just because of their beliefs rather then looking at the facts.
8. Do they fear going to a car dealership and being charged 28% interest on a car? Do they fear being kept in the dealership until 3:00 am until you would sign anything because you were too young to know better?
9. Do they fear that the “FICO scoring method” would unfairly keep your score low because no one has the guts to investigate why the score is low? And why their race score tend to be low?
10 Do they fear the Mortgage company would make an agreement with them , then you pay on the agreement date however, the Mortgage company will continue to report to the credit report agency the original contract date and not the new agreed upon date driving their score down and preventing them from buying anything?
11. Do they fear predatory lending?
12 Do they fear insurance company’s client who is at fault, refusing to pay the medical bills of your children which in turns denies your children medical service for over four years do to the insurance companies decision to drag out the process in the hopes that one will forget the injuries?
13. Do they fear the jury make-up in court would deny them justice because of their own stereotype attitude , fears and belief systems?
14. Do they fear having radio talk show hosts from sun up to sun down dancing around the race issue continuously calling their race victims as if what they describe they face everyday, is not true?
What is it that they fear?
15. Do they fear “White laws” will be developed to keep their race down?
16. Do they fear swinging from a rope, while the so called moral people of that day have a picnic watching this demonic type action?
17. Do they fear being considered less than human and as property?
18. Do they fear being stereotyped as lazy even though their ancestors is the one who built America while the lazy ones raped their wives, sold their children, whip the men and woman leaving deep scars, burning down their churches with children in them, burning down their town that is thriving?
What is that they fear? I challenge you that they do not fear! They know Blacks are a moral people who live by the law and would never ever think of a race of people as property. They would never communicate hate of a people because of their color or preconceived notion of what the people stand for. They would never warehouse people by redlining in the ghettos , then ensure there are no jobs thereby causing people to become like animals because they are trapped , while drugs are flown from other countries into their neighborhoods keeping the weak amongst them in a “stuper” state, ripe for jail while the others cling to God and Guns. Developing a Welfare system that makes a policy to keep the father away from the mother and children realizing this policy will affect generations to come. See Willie Lynch Doctrine.
I think that Limbaugh, Hannity, Levene, and FOX thrive off of demonizing African Americans. I think the “angry white man” who were conceived in the Reagan years are alive and well, targeting prominent Black men and exposing their human defects while hiding their own race’s immoral behavior. I believe there are “think tanks” that spend sun up to sun down , thinking of ways to demonize a race of people. Finally, I think these people are few in number. I think we as Americans no matter what the race live side by side as friends and treating each other as family. I believe there is a few with money who can make it seem like it is many however, we eat dinner with each other, we fight for each other and we love each other like a brother or sister. We even laugh and cry together. Think about it! It is NOT your co-worker or friends of another race that embodies these negative behaviors. It is the “Group Think” people who think they speak for the people. This lie that blacks and whites don’t get along is further exploited through TV that picks and chooses what they want to report or what they want to poll. It is the consolidation of businesses that will follow the “Jim crow laws “ disguised as something else or the “Black Laws” disguised as something else. All you need to keep a people down is the following, a “scoring system” that will keep you score low thereby justifying the “loan sharking behavior”, Car dealership that will sell you a lemon and a State that would have no lemon laws, licensed predatory lenders, IRS and heavy usury type fees and finally a Mortgage company as well as the Car company and dealership with high interest rates. These behaviors will never be exposed because of privacy laws and no transparency as well as no oversight. Ask Fair Isaac why it is that the credit scores matters and how once you are marked there is no way out. All one has to do is target the college bound student and sell a car that is too high, that is a lemon and interest rate is high, Gap insurance that will not pay after 3 or more deferments, repossession by financial institutions who are practicing loan sharking behavior and a court system that enforces the behavior by always ruling in favor of the company, thereby lowing the mark. The court system will further injure the people by granting back interest pay that was never part of the agreement once you have paid for a car that you never owned. Check the court system records. This is not a white and black issue any longer!. This is a greed issue and no, I do not think there is fear as much as there is a few people who thrive off of blaming others for their misfortune! If there was transparency with the FICO SCORE and Car Dealership and how the Court system is ruling in favor of car companies despite the facts, I would not feel so strongly about this issue. There is no transparency, no oversight, and no one willing to take these issue that affect average Americans daily which gives the greedy part of our society, fuel to continue to fleece American citizens.

Charles,
I don't think people really care about what Hagee said. If the media made it a top story and ratings went up then all the news stations would talk about Hagee. The truth is, I have never seen any white reverend demonized in the media, ever. Not that I watch that much but I am pretty sure that the only reverends demonized in the media are Black.
If Hagee wanted to explain he could contact the media himself. I am sure that the media would not miss the opportunity. Did you ever consider that Hagee did not want to address the issue? He has no reason to defend his words because the media is calling for it.

Obama'08
BJ

I think the problem here is that people are using the Dr. Wright thing to have some reason to not trust Senator Obama because of his race. The media, especially the Fox News channel are basically creating fear in the people about Obama. Senator Obama should not have to answer any questions about Dr. Wright. It had nothing to do with the campaign and most Americans were tired of it and wanted to hear about the real issues that affect their lives.

What did Dr. Wright say that hurt people? What did he say that offended people? We have a right to question, debate and disagree with government policy as we are tax payers and have a constitutional right to speak our minds.

Senator Obama simply needed to end the focus on Dr. Wright so the media could move on from it. He answered the questions about Dr. Wright and the media has to move on now (thank goodness) because we know that if he did not end it the media would have milked it forever.

What did Dr. Wright say that peeves you so? And how does that reflect on Senator Obama?

I think Dr. Wright spoke out to stop the hate that was being created toward his church. Fox news channel and others were trashing Trinity and the members, it was ridiculous that people actually believed that Dr. Wright was some kind of crazy man. He is a scholar and at the press club the man was applauded during and after the speech. I applaud him.

We need to understand what the media heads tried to do. The media has an agenda as well. Who owns the media? I am sure that only a few top people are responsible for what we hear and what we don't hear. Why do we hear about Brittany Spears but not about a bill that passed and how it is going to affect our lives? Most people are busy day to day trying to make ends meet and spending time with family. SO we don't pay close attention to the people we put in office to protect us. The Dr. Wright story is another distraction away from who we really need to question, the bureaucracy. This is supposed to be a democracy, for the people by the people. Not lobbyist cutting deals that only help a small group of people. We the people (all of us).

Obama '08
BJ

It is interesting and very disappointing to see all media, commentaries and pundits spin the Rev. Wright words to be negative and even with the truth spoken the story was still spinned as a negative. I was disappointed to see Barack Obama fall for the rhetoric by the media, pundits and commentaries. Why did he feel the need to denounce a man of Rev. Wright's caliber. Group Think has taken over the media and we no longer get the news unfiltered. Stop asking the question Media! This new style the media has with asking stupid questions instead of reporting does not fool us after this last event any longer. You matter as well go ahead and say what you believe on any subject because you truly showed you colors on the Rev. Wright’s prophetic sermon and the question at the bias press club. The media and it’s pundits have been exposed. The conservatives start at 8:00am in the morning until after 6:00pm propagating lies, half untruths and public hatred toward the black race and nothing is said. One Black man stands up and dares to challenge the establishment and ruling party and they tar and feather him. It is because of Michele that I became interested in Barack O. less Barack fool himself into thinking anything else. It is Rev. Wright, who for the first time since Rev. Dr. King (the spokesman for the Civil Rights movement), made a step to heal this nation. First you must admit there is problems before the twoism of American can be healed. Yes, there is distrust of medical field and the role the government played in the Tuskegee incident. Many do not even know what Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment was about. For forty years between 1932 and 1972, the U.S. Public Health Service (PHS) conducted an experiment on 399 black men with syphilis. PHS healed white me and let black men suffer with the disease and some cases allowing the black men to die even though there was a cure. Many know that in the heart of Africa Scientist were study SRV/SIV in monkeys and those monkeys supposedly escape the experiment facility. Scientist claim SIV cannot mutate to HIV and there is no way humans could have contracted this in African even if monkey brains was a food source. Tell me why the media does not ask the question about AIDS? Hmmm? “Where did AIDs come from”? What is the DNA of Aids? Did South Africa instruct their scientist to develop biochemical warfare against certain race of people? Is there such thing as designer diseases? I have long known that certain children do not learn well in a class room with 30 students and one teacher and black board. Verbal vs. Visual hands-on led class vs. instruction-led teaching style. Using Power point for instruction that show step-by-step verses verbally communicating what the teacher may not understand. This man in two days went a long way to heal this nation and the few ignorant people could not take it and the squeaky wheel got the grease. What about the silent majority? We watch and were truly perplexed to see what we saw done to Rev. Wright and take a false interpretation of what occurred and tried to make Barack O apologize for the truth? What in the world are people thinking. They called this black man a crazy man. This is a sad time and really made me wake up. I've lost respect for the media except for one man. Bill Moyer who remain the lone voice of reason. If people disagreed with Rev. Wright then debate the man. The DemRubplican, media, pundits and commentaries could not debate Rev. Wright because they knew he was right. What happened to debate in this country? Bill, I first saw you on Charlie Rose and I am blessed for finding out about you. Thank you. The fact that we even care to dialogue about the wounds Black Americans carry, shows how much we love the country built on the backs of our ancestors even though the Willie Lynch followers were to lazy to work. They meant it for bad, but God meant it for Good. We are in the greatest country in the world with all it’s faults. We have a chance to heal and fix what may be broke then move together to be innovators and making a better place for our children. And yes, I believe Cynthia Mckinney, Olie North, Grease Man , Don Imus, Jessie Jackson, Rev. Al Sharpton, Ron Brown and others have a right to say what they believe without being tarred and feathered. I am convinced that the Rev. Wright incident was pay back for Don Imus. I would rather a person be overt than covert. You cannot debate what you cannot see or hear. Driving these type of folks underground for the last 40 years has done a great disservice to my generation. These people driven underground are in our classrooms teaching our children, they are police, they are doctors and because they were not allowed to say “hey, I do not want to live around black people” they take it out on our children and the symptoms are great in every aspect of our lives. Because it is covert behavior they are allowed to say “blacks act like they are the victim” while causes unnecessary stress in the daily lives of the unaware minorities. This is the greatest disservice that I’m sure many are not aware of. May we keep the dialogue going and agree to disagree, then move on to work together and make the greatest experiment called America a reality. Rev.Wright, we heard you and we did not close our ears nor did we shut our eyes. We know that you love this country and cared enough to say what many of us feel on a daily basis. Rev. Wright know that your work is not in vain and the life you live was a testimony to God. Thank you for helping people, standing tall keep telling the truth, many will hear and others will be given over to a reprobate mind. Barack, beware you are treading on a thin line. If change is to come the truth must be allowed to be said. I would have much rather you debated Rev. Wright on the portions you disagreed in instead of playing the role of the good negro and pandering to those who mean you and other no good. The media truly controlled you and you know for a fact that the Press Club was disrespectful to the man and he had no choice to put the moterator on notice on who she was dealing with the questions were a disgrace and still Rev. Wright cared enough to answer them. It is a good thing it was not me up there because I would have been more colourful dealing with the lady who had the smirk on her face as she stated that noone in the audience agreed with rev. wright over and over again. She did not do that with any other offensive people however, she had all the confidence in the world disrepecting the man of God. Unfortunately, she messed with a child of God this time. I welcome McCain to bring Rev. Wright up. lets hear these people explain away Tuskegee!

BJ, are you saying that Obama's "kicking Wright to the curb" was somehow done with a wink and a nod? That it is somehow understood to have been an insincere denunciation by Obama? Something that he just had to do, as a politician, as Wright himself has suggested? With Obama secretly agreeing that Wright's comments were not that offensive at all?

If so, what does all of that tell us about Obama?

On the other hand, if Obama truly thought that Wright had crossed a line of decency, but has somehow forgiven Wright after denouncing him, how should we feel about the offensive comments by the Reverend John Hagee? Should Bill Moyers be offering Reverend Hagee a cahnce to explain himself in a face-to-face interview?

I am not mad at Dr. Wright or Senator Obama. I feel that Dr. Wright is serving his community well and only has to answer to God. Senator Obama denounced some of the things he said. The reason he denounced Dr. Wright is because he felt that Dr. Wright did not apologize for possibly offending people. I think Dr. Wright really offended Senator Obama at the National Press club interview. He did say some things that I thought were unnecessary. But as humans we are imperfect and I understand. When he read his speech, it was very good. "....different not deficient...." But when he answered questions he was on the defensive and it was not a good look for him.
Whether Senator Obama denounced Dr. Wright or not it still hurt his campaign. It was a double edge sword. On one hand he was going to alienate white voters who fed into the news loops and on the other end he was going to alienate black voters for denouncing Dr. Wright.
In the end I like that he gave Dr. Wright a chance to speak for himself before kicking him to the curb.

Obama '08
BJ

I really don't get it -- if Reverend Wright was speaking such profound wisdom and if "most of what he said was true" (interesting phraseology), why did Senator Obama denounce him?

Particularly after Obama said, "I could no more denounce him than my own white grandmother."

Should Wright be denounced? Because that is what Obama did.

Or should Obama be denounced for thowing his pastor overboard?

It has to be one or the other, right?

To those of you who have commented so negatively about the Reverend Wright and see some sort of conspiracy by Senator Obama, I have only one thing to say to all of you. Your racism and blindness is overwhelming. The double standard here is also very troubling. It seems pretty obvious that White preachers can say anything they want, even condoning murder of blacks by the Ku Klux Klan, murder of doctors or perform abortions, of Catholics and Jews, yet Reverend Wright cannot do the same. I am white and quite frankly ashamed of this country for the way it treats people who are not white. If those of you who have made such racist comments consider yourselves christians, then you need to take a long hard look at yourselves. Most of what Reverend Wright said was true - and the truth hurts. It's time to take a long hard look at the history of the policies of this country which have been nothing short of devastating to those less fortunate.

Shame on all of you

To those of you who have commented so negatively about the Reverend Wright and see some sort of conspiracy by Senator Obama, I have only one thing to say to all of you. Your racism and blindness is overwhelming. The double standard here is also very troubling. It seems pretty obvious that White preachers can say anything they want, even condoning murder of blacks by the Ku Klux Klan, murder of doctors or perform abortions, of Catholics and Jews, yet Reverend Wright cannot do the same. I am white and quite frankly ashamed of this country for the way it treats people who are not white. If those of you who have made such racist comments consider yourselves christians, then you need to take a long hard look at yourselves. Most of what Reverend Wright said was true - and the truth hurts. It's time to take a long hard look at the history of the policies of this country which have been nothing short of devastating to those less fortunate.

Shame on all of you

Many of Rev. Wright's ideas remind me of Malcom X, Stokely Carmichael, and the Black Panthers. Too bad our country has no memory, especially for truth. I'm not black, but I have always appreciated those who speak their mind while they actually take care of their community. Obama would seem the bigger man (to me) if he had actually stepped away from Wright years ago. Now he seems rather the self-serving "politician" in his remarks about Wright. Geese. I respect Wright more than Obama for being truthful.

Explain then, Ralph, the differing treatment of Wright and Hagee by Moyers.

With Wright, it was a warm, softly-lit conversation between two people who so clearly were in sync with each other that it was more of a therapy session than a a hard political interview.

With Hagee, it was an arm's-length hit piece. Soundbites of the most inflammatory rhetoric, no interview of Hagee giving him a chance to explain himself, etc.

I'm more than confident that I am the one being even-handed in this analysis, and that all the Obama supporters among the Moyers viewership are the ones that cannot see the imbalance.

C'mon, Charles. To say that there's no substantive difference between the constant barrage of inflamemotainment propaganda from Fox, the explicitly hateful and distorted inanity of Hannity in particular, and that of Moyers sit down interview with Rev. Wright is, well, silly.

Moyers lifelong commitment to the democratic party and liberal social principles notwithstanding, his discipline to high journalistic standards and openness to other viewpoints is what defines him and so inflames the narrowness of the rigid right.

Fox, on the other hand, with it's diatribe force and repetitive, agenda driven content is not only a parody of journalism, but of itself.

We're it not for the likes of Moyers, the desolation of broadcast journalism would be a grim fait accompli.

BJ, I appreciate Fox News because it is such a good antidote to the rest of television news. And Fox, in particular, is unafraid to criticize our PBS and NPR networks (even as Fox News employs Mara Liasson of NPR and Juan Williams of NPR).

I have not utilized this blog to campaign for any candidate as you (Obama '08) have. I have tried to keep the focus on Bill Moyers' journalism standards, which is precisely the focus and function of this Comments page.

Neither Hagee nor Wright would have merited national debate but for the fact that both McCain and Obama sought the two pastors' support and blessing. I kind of wish that neither candidate had involved themselves with either pastor.

But my greater point wsa that there was no substantive difference between what Bill Moyers, a loyal Democrat and a very liberal television personality did, and what Sean Hannity an upwardly-mobile conservative ideologue, did. Moyers wanted his viewers to be scared by Hagee soundbites, as he tried to link Hagee to McCain. Sean Hannity tried to scare his viewers with the Wright sermon soundbites, as he linked Wright to Obama.

Condemn both equally if you want to, but to hold up Bill Moyers as some kind of ideal in this sordid affair is just a joke.

Charles, You must be a Fox News supporter. How is this one interview compared to months of Dr.Wright being looped over and over again in the media. He only tried to show the real man behind the loops. I have never heard of Hagee, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Clearly the Fox News network is trying to change the way people see Obama because they have their own agenda. Anybody could have a pastor or similar in their faith that may have unflattering opinions about the government. So what, shouldn't we all question our government. You don't have to agree with everything your pastor says, especially if it is politics. Give me a break. I have had co-workers, friends, and family that have said controversial things. What are we supposed to kick them out of our lives because of it? No! Because you know deep down they are good people who have good hearts. That is what Mr. Bill Moyers showed us with his interview with Dr. Wright.

Obama '08
BJ

Here is a link that some Bill Moyers viewers might be familiar with.

It is a link to this very website: Bill Moyers' carefully-produced report on the group, Christians United for Israel, and Pastor John Hagee.

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/03072008/profile.html

Note the use of the video production tools that Bill Moyers has decried in the case of Rev. Jeremiah Wright. In the Hagee story, Moyers himself apparently never spoke to Hagee at all. There was no chance for Hagee to speak without his words being edited by Moyers' producers.

They used the most inflammatory "soundbites" that they could find on Hagee.

I don't much care for Hagee, just as i don't care for Jeremiah Wright, but I do know what Wright would say if he had been put in the position of Hagee on the Moyers program. He'd have asked Moyers -- "Have you been to my church? Have you heard any of my sermons? The WHOLE sermons? Have you ever given me the chance to come onto your program to speak for myself?"

As I have stated before, the notion that Bill Moyers represents some journalistic ideal is nonsense. Bill Moyers is nothing more and nothing less than a left-wing version of teh Fox News Channel. The difference being that the Fox News Channel has so many more viewers, it can pay for itself on its own private network, thank you very much. We see Bill Moyers only because of the Public Broadcasting network.

So who do we see about getting our money back?

LunchAdmin:

You not fooling anyone with this crap link. Everybody knows it's a fake, bigot. You're anti Obama and that is fine but when you start making up stuff just to feed your own bigotry, that is truly pathetic.


Obama '08
BJ

Beware the terrible simplifiers? You are one such simplifier Mr. Moyers.

Did John McCain campaign from Reverend John Hagee’s pulpit? No HE DID NOT. Did Barack Obama do just that from Reverend Jeremiah Wright’s pulpit? Yes HE DID.

Did John McCain distribute pamphlets claiming him to be a “committed Christian” complete with photos of him praying in Hagee’s church? No HE DID NOT.

Did Barack Obama produce such a pamphlet complete with photographs praying within Wright’s church?

Why yes … YES HE DID, and in so doing he violated campaign guidelines – but that’s an issue needing a separate blog post.
See the pamphlet here. http://departmentoflunch.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/pander.jpg

So you know what Mr. Moyers?

Barack Obama ignored the Constitution’s ban on religious tests for federal officeholders; he put his preacher and his faith out there for everyone to judge. John McCain has been endorsed by a few racist crackpots, but so far he has not worshiped with them or written books praising their message.

In no way do I write this in support of John McCain. It’s just that your argument that black preachers in this case are getting the short end of the stick does NOT hold up.

Mr. Moyers:

Thank you for your very informative piece on Rev. Wright. I, as a Black American, wish that all Anglo Americans could sit down with someone that they may not agree with and seek the truth and the real reasoning behind their position. You do so and as I watched you over the years. You seem to be able to get to the root of the controversy with honest questions with a clear intent.

I taped your program on that day and on the following day, had a friend, Anglo & staunch Catholic, start off with comments about that racist Rev. Wright. I invited him to sit down and view your program. I was dissapointed that he only viewed half, but what really made my day, was when he said was "In context the man is telling the truth and is teaching from the Bible" That really made me feel good to see a mind changed and the truth let out.

All I can say is keep shining your light and please shine some in the direction of our people in the governance of our country, our clergy that want to talk about " this week's ladies tea", Our schools that are producing too many dropouts', nitwhits' and otherwise under educated students. Most of all, please shine plenty of that light in the direction of your fellow journalists.

Thanks,
A longtime fan

Racism, Jim, is harboring hate against other races, not supporting your own in a reasonable, and in this case, in a unique candidacy.

And, you're overstating the percentage, there are many people of color that support the opposition.


Why can 99% of afro-americans vote for obamas and not be labeled as obvious racist? Yet when whites for for clintons they are considered racist?

Double Standard

The odd thing to me, William, is that Wright's historical expertise seems so suspect on so many other dimensions that I am not sure that he is credible on any of them. For instance, Wright finds time to talk about the U.S. nuclear attacks on Nagasaki and Hiroshima, but at the same time butchers history with the urban myth that the U.S. invited the devastating sneak attack on Pearl harbor.

I also wonder why, if Wright is such a prophet of peace, he wouldn't find time to mention the Japanese war crimes, the Bataan Death March and the rape of Nanking?

I am very much struck by the amount of politics that Wright has invovled himself in. That may be somewhat normal in the black church, I don't know. I do know that it is more or less required that any politician seeking election in any large American city must pass through the approval of the city's black ministers.

In every church I have gone to, politics were less than 1% of the church's mission. I know that there are the Pat Robertsons and Falwells and Hagees of the nation, but those are NOT representative of mainstream Protestantism and Catholocism. Is Wright a reasonably representative example of urban preaching?

For the real offense of Jeremiah Wright one need look no further than Bill Moyers's interview with him. In that interview, he provides a fairly scholarly critique of state violence and compares it with other forms of terrorism. He says that violence that destroys innocence people, whether conducted by the state or by free-lance terrorists, is not pleasing to God. In keeping with the prophetic tradition of the Old and New Testaments, he points this out in his sermons. It offends Americans that he includes the United States among the perpetrators of illegitimate state violence. He has obviously thought a great deal about this, and he can eloquently array the evidence, from the fire bombing of Tokyo, to the saturation bombing in Southeast Asia, to the attacks on Sadr City today. But the evidence is of no importance. All that matters is the comfortable assumption that the United States uses violence responsibly and only as a last resort. There is no greater offense than disturbing that assumption and that comfort.

To Mr. Bill Moyers:

Thanks again for offering some insight and perspective into the media's spin and distractions.
Your show is a bright beacon in the darkness of the information blackout we have in this country over issues that matter to all of us who live in the U.S.
To Mr. Charles Brown:
If you aren't a “neocon”, you must at least be a stauch supporter of the Bush Administration. It's becoming clear why you have such an interest in attacking both Obama and Wright. They’re both imperfect humans and as such will not be 100% correct all the time. None of us are 100% all the time. However, Jeremiah Wright isn't running for office. He's taking a stand, wrong, right or indifferent.

You give away your position when you make absurd comments like these:
“As for any "government lie" about a link between the Saddam Hussein government and the attacks of 9/11, I don't know what supposed "lies" that Wright was talking about. I've never heard a member of the Bush administration claim such a link. I have heard the Bush administration discuss links to terrorism within the old Baathist Iraqi regime, but only becuase there were such links.”

If you haven't had your head buried in the sand for the past 5 years, then you must only access media like The Weekly Standard. or perhaps you're a Fox News Fan. I suggest you watch Bill Moyers' excellent documentary, “Buying the War”. You can watch it at this very site. Here's the link:
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/btw/watch.html
Instead of obsessing over every detail of what Wright says or his accuracy, you might consider spending your time reviewing the Bush Administration's lack of accuracy and competence, which has led us into this Global War on Terror, the fiasco in Iraq , FEMA’s many failures in response to Hurricane Katrina and so many other disasters for this country that they can't be summed up here.
Here's one more link to get you started: http://www.democracynow.org/2008/1/24/935_lies_and_counting_study_counts

Hope that helps...

pallist

Only Bill would have to try to fix an interview after the fact by commenting on it and trying to spin it in a different direction. The people who were interested already saw the interview, Bill, and it is way too late to try to fix your poor interview skills with even worse commentary.

It is very interesting how sensitive Americans are w/Wright's comments. Our history speaks for itself and I pray that we will not loose our freedom of speech in the future. There are many angry Blacks in this country regardless of the their professional titles or economic status and that is the reality of the situation. Enough is enough and "it is" time for change. It is time for blacks to speak up and speak out to fellow Amercians about the continued racism in "our" country. As a Christian, despite my imperfection, I am inspired by Rev.Wright and it is not about color. It is about his courage to take on the ever growing beast in America that has the potential to devour everything that has made America what it is today. Study revelations folks. Study our history folks. Now, as for Blacks, we have so much to be angry about and I do believe that if it were not for religous leaders such as Rev. Wright that provide an enviorment for "honest" conversation, the rage will only get worse. There is nothing equal about our society and many of our leaders have done little to bridge the gap between all cultures of America. So all Americans have a choice to make and much work to do. Either we break through the glass ceiling many have tried to demolish, e.g. Dr. King, so everyone one can partake in the "American Dream", or we continue to spread the glass ceiling so far over our land that we all suffer. Our country is being bought up from below our feet daily. Our debt is out of control. Are you serious? All we can do is complain about Rev. Wright. What about gas prices? What about health care? What about the next four years? What about all of "our" children? What about disease control? What about the cost of food? What about the troops? What about foreign policy? What about the air that we "all" breathe? You, me, Rev. Wright, President Bush...we all have to breathe right?

Dear Bill,

Thank you so much for such insightful comment on Rev Wright; we all could almost be fooled again by a media machine... Please keep up the great efforts!!!

America is a great country with great people; given time and good work she will shine again. First we need to find all the root causes that's killing our country, be it anyone, or any group.

Who is benefiting from the pain of the majority; who has hijacked our policy, foreign and domestic, our finances, our values...

Our real enemy is only a tiny few manipulating us right here living at the top and behind the scenes.

Good people have to unite and make them pay, dearly.

Think for ourselves!

Take care

Dear Mr. Moyers,
I would just like to say I am
disappointed with your toothless and inept interviewing style made evident during your interview with Rev. Wright. You just sat
there and nodded sympathetically while the esteemed reverend bitterly complained about being treated "unfairly" by the media.
Let me get this straight!
Rev. Wright is free to espouse and express any beliefs, however unpopular.
Indeed, his holding and expressing those beliefs is
essential to the functioning of our democracy. What makes him a
brazen hypocrite is his claim (stated or implied) that by virtue of him being
a black clergyman he and his statements are exempt from scrutiny, criticism and ridicule. When his remarks first surfaced, a lot of people perceived them as a direct attack against their values. Naturally, those offended fought back. Facing scathing criticism Rev. Wright appeared on your show and instead of defending of what he so passionately believes in on
the merits, he began to whine. As far as I know there is nothing in the Constitution that prohibits criticism of a clergyman's or layman's statements made in the public domain. I find this attempt to justify and advance one's political agenda using religion repulsive. Even worse, this took place on the publicly funded TV station, on your watch Mr. Moyers!

Alex Golubev

Dear Mr. Moyers,
I would just like to say I am
disappointed with your toothless and inept interviewing style made evident during your interview with Rev. Wright. You just sat
there and nodded sympathetically while the esteemed reverend bitterly complained about being treated "unfairly" by the media.
Let me get this straight!
Rev. Wright is free to espouse and express any beliefs, however unpopular.
Indeed, his holding and expressing those beliefs is
essential to the functioning of our democracy. What makes him a
brazen hypocrite is his claim (stated or implied) that by virtue of him being
a black clergyman he and his statements are exempt from scrutiny, criticism and ridicule. When his remarks first surfaced, a lot of people perceived them as a direct attack against their values. Naturally, those offended fought back. Facing scathing criticism Rev. Wright appeared on your show and instead of defending of what he so passionately believes in on
the merits, he began to whine. As far as I know there is nothing in the Constitution that prohibits criticism of a clergyman's or layman's statements made in the public domain. I find this attempt to justify and advance one's political agenda using religion repulsive. Even worse, this took place on the publicly funded TV station, on your watch Mr. Moyers!

Alex Golubev

Dear Mr. Moyers,
I would just like to say I am
disappointed with your toothless and inept interviewing style made evident during your interview with Rev. Wright. You just sat
there and nodded sympathetically while the esteemed reverend bitterly complained about being treated "unfairly" by the media.
Let me get this straight!
Rev. Wright is free to espouse and express any beliefs, however unpopular.
Indeed, his holding and expressing those beliefs is
essential to the functioning of our democracy. What makes him a
brazen hypocrite is his claim (stated or implied) that by virtue of him being
a black clergyman he and his statements are exempt from scrutiny, criticism and ridicule. When his remarks first surfaced, a lot of people perceived them as a direct attack against their values. Naturally, those offended fought back. Facing scathing criticism Rev. Wright appeared on your show and instead of defending of what he so passionately believes in on
the merits, he began to whine. As far as I know there is nothing in the Constitution that prohibits criticism of a clergyman's or layman's statements made in the public domain. I find this attempt to justify and advance one's political agenda using religion repulsive. Even worse, this took place on the publicly funded TV station, on your watch Mr. Moyers!

Alex Golubev

Dear Mr. Moyers,
I would just like to say I am
disappointed with your toothless and inept interviewing style made evident during your interview with Rev. Wright. You just sat
there and nodded sympathetically while the esteemed reverend bitterly complained about being treated "unfairly" by the media.
Let me get this straight!
Rev. Wright is free to espouse and express any beliefs, however unpopular.
Indeed, his holding and expressing those beliefs is
essential to the functioning of our democracy. What makes him a
brazen hypocrite is his claim (stated or implied) that by virtue of him being
a black clergyman he and his statements are exempt from scrutiny, criticism and ridicule. When his remarks first surfaced, a lot of people perceived them as a direct attack against their values. Naturally, those offended fought back. Facing scathing criticism Rev. Wright appeared on your show and instead of defending of what he so passionately believes in on
the merits, he began to whine. As far as I know there is nothing in the Constitution that prohibits criticism of a clergyman's or layman's statements made in the public domain. I find this attempt to justify and advance one's political agenda using religion repulsive. Even worse, this took place on the publicly funded TV station, on your watch Mr. Moyers!

Alex Golubev

The good Reverend Wright speaks the truth and to many the truth hurts. The people who react out of anger, hate, and fear must be in an emission of guilt!

Without getting too much into the merits of Reverend John Hagee versus Reverend Jeremiah Wright, I still think that as it pertains to Bill Moyers, there is a remarkable double standard.

On the one hand, Bill Moyers actually did a story on Reverend John Hagee, and Moyers did the things that he chastised the corporate media for: he used soundbites of Hagee for his own editorial purposes. Moyers did not interview Hagee, and he did not give Hagee a chance to speak more openly and at length, as with Wright, to put himself "in context."

So beyond any serious question, Bill Moyers has acted precisely as a left-wing analogue to Fox News, baiting the opposition with sound bites for his personal benefit.

Speaking for myself alone, I find Hagee and Wright to be equally abhorrent. I'd take no pleasure in attending either one of their respective churches. But it is also clear to me that the soundbite versions of Hagee and Wright are plenty accurate enough. Neither one of them gets any better with hearing more of their comments. And it is a huge conceit on the part of Bill Moyers if he can't see what he's done on his own show that is "Un-fair and Un-balanced."

In his efforts to give Wright a fair and even-handed treatment, I feel Mr. Moyer's has perhaps bent a bit too far, so much that he's glossed over or ignored a few of the key issues. As but one possible example, I believe many people were in fact NOT all that shocked or insulted by the basic idea behind the "chickens coming home to roost" sermon. No intelligent person can argue with the premise that a country takes actions and must therefore expect certain consequences. What WAS shocking and insulting was that fact that Wright and at least a few in his congregation appeared almost joyous that chickens were coming home to roost. The applause and cheers were quite loud! What exactly were they applauding? This was the interesting and important question - and unfortunately one that Mr. Moyers chose not to ask.

In Bill Moyers' summary, he referred to the double standard in that white preachers such as Falwell, Robertson, and Hagee have made hateful and controversial comments but have not been treated like black preacher Wright. Moyers must have a poor memory, for every comment that has been hateful, outlandish, and divisive by these white preachers has also been renounced, opposed, chided, and covered by the media - much of the time in proportion to that person's relevance to national current events.
What is your purpose in distorting the facts, Mr. Moyers? Race-baiting benefits no one.

Elizabeth Sheppard -

Yes, it is true that whe pressed at the National Press Club, Wright evaded the substance of the direct question put to him, with his own flippant comment that the government was "capable" of doing such a thing. It would be nice, wouldn't it, if Wright would answer the question squarely and without equivocation.

For me, Wright gave away his position when he turned on the questioner at the National Press Club and asked, "Have you read Horowitz's book?" The reference was to a crackpot theorist who wrote a book alleging that there was in fact a government conspiracy and/or a major biological accident that created the HIV/AIDS virus. Wright doesn't have the personal command of those facts, so instead he tosses the notion out, with a wink, saying, "It might be true!", just as it might be true that the mafia killed John F. Kennedy, or it might be true that the Apollo mon landing was a hoax.

These kinds of theories are beneath the dignity of serious discussion.

But then, Elizabeth, we can go back to the original sermon in which Wright launched a whole handful of similar theories and charges, each of them as negligent and as devoid of factual support as the AIDS lunacy.

Rev. Wright:
********
"“The government lied about the Tuskegee experiment. They purposely infected African American men with syphilis. Governments lie. The government lied about bombing Cambodia and Richard Nixon stood in front of the camera, ‘Let me make myself perfectly clear…” Governments lie. The government lied about the drugs for arms Contra scheme orchestrated by Oliver North, and then the government pardoned all the perpetrators so they could get better jobs in the government. Governments lie.

“The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of people of color. Governments lie. The government lied about a connection between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein and a connection between 9.11.01 and Operation Iraqi Freedom. Governments lie."
********
So let's work our way through that mess.
The government never "infected" anyone with syphillis in the Tuskeegee case, although it did not treat some of the patients, who were being studied as the disease pogressed.
Rev. Wright's accusation as to Cambodian bombing (the Viet Cong were of course responsible for taking the war to Cambodia in the first place) and Wright's bizarre imitation of President Nixon are almost impossible to put into any sensible context.
As to the "drugs for arms" story, Wright has it wrong. Arms were sold in order to raise funding for the Nicaraguan Contras which had been cut off by Congress. It was not a 'drugs for arms' deal. After Iran-Contra was investigated, and Colonel Oliver North was convicted, his conviction was overturned on appeal. North was never pardoned. President George H.W. Bush did pardon Caspar Weinberger, Elliott Abrams, Robert McFarlane and three lower level CIA employees in the Iran-Contra matter. Most of the charges were low-level "lying to Congress" charges for which the offenders were to have recieved suspended sentences and in Abrams' case, a fifty-dollar fine. Abrams is the only one of the six pardoned by the elder President Bush to have gone back to government service.
As for any "government lie" about a link between the Saddam Hussein government and the attacks of 9/11, I don't know what supposed "lies" that Wright was talking about. I've never heard a member of the Bush administration claim such a link. I have heard the Bush administration discuss links to terrorism within the old Baathist Iraqi regime, but nly becuase there were such links.

So it seems that Rev. Wright is not "misunderstood"; Rev. Wright is regularly, habitually wrong in his political pronouncements, which are almost too many to count.

Wright speaks truth about race and power relations in the U.S. and in how our power structure relates to the world. It is very disappointing to see Obama distance himself from Wright in such a transparently politician-like self-opportunistic way. White folks in this country still benefit from racism and white supremacy and refuse to acknowledge it. It really is as simple as that. This can truly be a turning point to get white liberals to come to grips with their own privilege in the U.S. and in a true telling of all of our history.

Thanks for your thoughtful follow up Friday night regarding The Rev. Wright. I have one slight correction; he did not say the US Government created the AIDS epidemic; he said, given some of their previous actions (he gave notable examples including the syphilis experiment), he believed they were CAPABLE of doing it. And that, for me, doesn't require such a stretch of the imagination, given their past performance.

I read the intro that illicited all of these comments on the issue of Rev. Wright. I read the Black Value System just now and that issue is twisted way before Rev. Wright. Manford Byrd's no. 1 value mention Commitment to God. And like I said in one of these comments before, the politics bleeding into the black church community makes for a very unhealthy body of Christ. I think there REALLY DOES need to be more unity within our community, more responsibility to each other and rearing up our black men in the fear of God. But starting with the Black Value System, for example, that's just a bad idea. Using the black church as black activism isn't all together good. Dr. King didn't do that. If TUCC decided to set up an black activism group outside of the ministries of their congregation, maybe it would stay separate from the Gospel of Jesus Christ from the gospel of Black Power. We are within our rights and quite justified for the anger we feel as a community, but it has gone too far and Obama's campaign is suffering for it.

THE CLASSIFICATION OF AMERICANS BY RACE AND ETHNICITY MUST END

The Racial and Ethnic classification of Americans is nothing more than institutionalized racism and must be ended. The United States of America has been known as a country of rugged individualism based on individual freedom and liberty. Why has America become a country obsessed with classifying its citizens into different racial and ethnic sub-groups?

The only groups that actively support the continued collection of racial and ethnic data are big government bureaucrats and "racial and ethnic special interest groups” that also happen to receive significant funding from the federal government. These organizations argue that identifying people by race and ethnicity is necessary in order to redress some past injustice and that the federal government must continue to collect and use this information in order to set up special racial and ethnic programs, affirmative action quotas and other set-asides for these groups, some of whom consist of new immigrants, illegal aliens and non-citizens. Nothing can be further from the truth. In a country where we can no longer ask people what religion they are, what their party affiliation is or what their sexual orientation is, why are we still asking them about their racial and ethnic background?

Americans are beginning to realize that racial and ethnic identification is more a matter of personal choice than anything else. In the 2000 Census, seven million American citizens refused to place themselves into a single category by refusing to describe themselves as only white, black, Asian, Latino or any one of the other specific categories listed, because they were of mixed race. Attempts by the government to create a “mixed race” box for the 2000 Census was met with resistance by racial and ethnic special interest groups like the NAACP and the National Council of La Raza, because they feared that a mixed-race box could pose a danger to the justification for their existence. The fuzzier such racial and ethnic categories become, the harder it will be for these racial and ethnic special interest groups and the government to traffic in them. If a mixed-race category were to be added, every brown-skinned person of mixed race registered in this category would shrink the government’s official count of Blacks, Latinos, Asians or American Indians, eventually reducing their political influence and ultimately the amount of money these groups receive from the federal government, which amounts to approximately $185 billion a year.

Through the mandated collection and use of racial and ethnic specific information, more and more of American taxpayers’ hard earned money is being routinely distributed to these racial and ethnic special interest groups at the expense of all other Americans who may or may not be members of these groups. Through executive orders, congressional legislation, affirmative action programs, racial set-asides, quotas and other programs based solely on race and ethnicity, our federal government is playing the key role that pits one racial and ethnic group against another, which could eventually lead to our destruction as a country.

Rather than helping a diverse population become assimilated and united as one nation, the Federal government is doing what the Nazi government of Germany did in the 1930’s and 40’s; creating government supported institutionalized racism by the intentional classification of it’s citizens by race and ethnicity.

With the support of racial and ethnic special interest groups, our federal government seems to view our citizens not just as Americans, but rather as “pawns” in some social science experiment to be classified and separated into different racial or ethnic sub-groups for some unknown purpose. By mandating the classification of Americans into specific racial and ethnic sub-groups, the federal government and the advocates of “diversity” are actually perpetuating institutionalized racism and keeping Americans divided. Maybe the real purpose of collecting this data is to justify the continuing flow of government money to these racial and ethnic special interest groups.

If we want to help poor Americans escape poverty, get better health care, find a job or get a good education, why should it matter what their race or ethnic background is? The answer is: It should not! Americans need to come together as members of one country and remember that we are all individual Americans, regardless of race or ethnic background. Martin Luther King, Jr., inspired a nation when he voiced his dream for a color-blind nation, a nation in which people would be judged by the content of their characters, "not the color of their skin." The answer to this government encouraged racism is the concept of Liberty with a limited, constitutional government that is devoted to the protection of individual rights rather than the claims of different racial and ethnic special interest groups. Where Liberty is present, individual achievement and competence are rewarded, not people’s skin color or ethnicity.

I will support legislation barring the federal government from the collection of racial and ethnic information about the American people and/or the classification of American citizens by race and ethnicity, including the collection of census information. Exceptions should be made for law enforcement, hospitals and medical research purposes.

I will also support legislation that bans affirmative action programs, racial set-asides, quotas and any other programs that give special preferences based on race and ethnicity.

By:
JOHN W. WALLACE
Candidate for Congress
New York’s 20th Congressional District
www.FreedomCandidate.com

THE CLASSIFICATION OF AMERICANS BY RACE AND ETHNICITY MUST END

The Racial and Ethnic classification of Americans is nothing more than institutionalized racism and must be ended. The United States of America has been known as a country of rugged individualism based on individual freedom and liberty. Why has America become a country obsessed with classifying its citizens into different racial and ethnic sub-groups?

The only groups that actively support the continued collection of racial and ethnic data are big government bureaucrats and "racial and ethnic special interest groups” that also happen to receive significant funding from the federal government. These organizations argue that identifying people by race and ethnicity is necessary in order to redress some past injustice and that the federal government must continue to collect and use this information in order to set up special racial and ethnic programs, affirmative action quotas and other set-asides for these groups, some of whom consist of new immigrants, illegal aliens and non-citizens. Nothing can be further from the truth. In a country where we can no longer ask people what religion they are, what their party affiliation is or what their sexual orientation is, why are we still asking them about their racial and ethnic background?

Americans are beginning to realize that racial and ethnic identification is more a matter of personal choice than anything else. In the 2000 Census, seven million American citizens refused to place themselves into a single category by refusing to describe themselves as only white, black, Asian, Latino or any one of the other specific categories listed, because they were of mixed race. Attempts by the government to create a “mixed race” box for the 2000 Census was met with resistance by racial and ethnic special interest groups like the NAACP and the National Council of La Raza, because they feared that a mixed-race box could pose a danger to the justification for their existence. The fuzzier such racial and ethnic categories become, the harder it will be for these racial and ethnic special interest groups and the government to traffic in them. If a mixed-race category were to be added, every brown-skinned person of mixed race registered in this category would shrink the government’s official count of Blacks, Latinos, Asians or American Indians, eventually reducing their political influence and ultimately the amount of money these groups receive from the federal government, which amounts to approximately $185 billion a year.

Through the mandated collection and use of racial and ethnic specific information, more and more of American taxpayers’ hard earned money is being routinely distributed to these racial and ethnic special interest groups at the expense of all other Americans who may or may not be members of these groups. Through executive orders, congressional legislation, affirmative action programs, racial set-asides, quotas and other programs based solely on race and ethnicity, our federal government is playing the key role that pits one racial and ethnic group against another, which could eventually lead to our destruction as a country.

Rather than helping a diverse population become assimilated and united as one nation, the Federal government is doing what the Nazi government of Germany did in the 1930’s and 40’s; creating government supported institutionalized racism by the intentional classification of it’s citizens by race and ethnicity.

With the support of racial and ethnic special interest groups, our federal government seems to view our citizens not just as Americans, but rather as “pawns” in some social science experiment to be classified and separated into different racial or ethnic sub-groups for some unknown purpose. By mandating the classification of Americans into specific racial and ethnic sub-groups, the federal government and the advocates of “diversity” are actually perpetuating institutionalized racism and keeping Americans divided. Maybe the real purpose of collecting this data is to justify the continuing flow of government money to these racial and ethnic special interest groups.

If we want to help poor Americans escape poverty, get better health care, find a job or get a good education, why should it matter what their race or ethnic background is? The answer is: It should not! Americans need to come together as members of one country and remember that we are all individual Americans, regardless of race or ethnic background. Martin Luther King, Jr., inspired a nation when he voiced his dream for a color-blind nation, a nation in which people would be judged by the content of their characters, "not the color of their skin." The answer to this government encouraged racism is the concept of Liberty with a limited, constitutional government that is devoted to the protection of individual rights rather than the claims of different racial and ethnic special interest groups. Where Liberty is present, individual achievement and competence are rewarded, not people’s skin color or ethnicity.

I will support legislation barring the federal government from the collection of racial and ethnic information about the American people and/or the classification of American citizens by race and ethnicity, including the collection of census information. Exceptions should be made for law enforcement, hospitals and medical research purposes.

I will also support legislation that bans affirmative action programs, racial set-asides, quotas and any other programs that give special preferences based on race and ethnicity.

By:
JOHN W. WALLACE
Candidate for Congress
New York’s 20th Congressional District
www.FreedomCandidate.com

I have an American friend who introduced me to that delightfully instructive book "The Power of Myth" - she also predicted that, in the next election, neither the white woman nor the black man would be allowed to win.
As a parent concerned over escalating american military tactics (overseas and at home) I fear that I see my friend's prediction coming true.
I don't usually watch american news but do read alternet and I did watch the entire sermon on youtube and as a white canadian, I could plainly hear Rev. Wright talking a lot of sense ...
Here in Canada we have been bent over a barrel by NAFTA, which has contributed mightily to our current unhappiness with the war in the middle east. The good ol' US is in fact sueing us for such outrages as our refusal legalize Bovine Growth Hormone.
Incidentally, our government has tried to patch things up by firing the Agriculture Canada scientists responsible for decrying BGH.
Once again, our only salvation lies in education. Thank you, Bill Moyers, for trying to educate us!

Mr. Moyers, regarding your essay on Rev. Wright: Thank you for saying what isn't being said elsewhere in the media and applying reason to help sort out the many influences underlying how the Wright controversy is covered in the media. In fact, the syndicated media is as controversial as Rev. Wright in its unending efforts to reinforce the legitimacy of linking the beliefs and policies of Obama to his paster. Clearly this line of reporting could get pretty messy if every public official was held to this standard of "association." I thought that we (as a society) had worked through that approach already with Sen McCarthy and found that it didn't serve the public's best interests? I'm looking forward to your thoughtful analysis of Rev. Wrights thesis on reconciliation and how this may be timely given recent events.

Bill Moyers,
I have always had great respect for you, and I didn't think I could like you more, but I do. We have banned tv from our home for many years, and I'm never a victim of the media situation; recently, I've been following the stories, videos, blogs online vociferously. It's astounding. Listening to you tallk is so refreshing, smart, thoughtful, and thought-provoking. Makes me want to at least have pbs.

Bill Moyers,
I have always had great respect for you, and I didn't think I like you more, but I do. We have banned tv from our home for many years, and I'm never a victim of the media situation; recently, I've been following the stories, videos, blogs online vociferously. It's astounding. Listening to you tallk is so refreshing, smart, thoughtful, and thought-provoking. Makes me want to at least have pbs.

To Ms. Joyce Allard. I will do my best to explain this anomaly from a young black american female perspective. It has been a long standing fact that since slavery and Jim Crow, that the dominating White majority applied the one drop rule to those who are known to have the one drop of African blood. This has lopped mulattos and light-complected people into this African American experience. The experience itself is something someone is brought up in. There are plenty of people out there who are passing for white or walking around without the knowledge of their African blood. But they may not know the black american experience. Wright's complexion is not a factor. How much white blood or black blood he has isn't the issue. He's been speaking from an African American experience because he has experienced it. It is an interesting observation, but the human genome and the many forms it takes is beyond our control and has nothing to do with a cultural experience. Now, I also want to make note that not all of Wright's broadcasted sayings speak for the African American community as a whole. Like any of race of people, the perspectives are complex, and it is unfair to make a blanket statement that all Blacks feel the way he's stated about us. BUT what I think he's done was to say what we all think in the back of our minds. It sounds crazier to say it in front of the majority (Whites), but some of his speeches (even though I disagree with them fervently) has even been going on in the back of my mind before I ever heard anyone boldly say them. I don't think what Rev. Wright has said behind the pulpit, in light of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, was right. The Gospel of Christ should be preached behind the pulpit, not the African American angers and conspiracy theories. There's another appropriate platform for that, and he should've found another way. I still don't wholeheartedly agree with everything he's done and said because of the convoluted effects.

To Ms. Joyce Allard. I will do my best to explain this anomaly from a young black american female perspective. It has been a long standing fact that since slavery and Jim Crow, that the dominating White majority applied the one drop rule to those who are known to have the one drop of African blood. This has lopped mulattos and light-complected people into this African American experience. The experience itself is something someone is brought up in. There are plenty of people out there who are passing for white or walking around without the knowledge of their African blood. But they may not know the black american experience. Wright's complexion is not a factor. How much white blood or black blood he has isn't the issue. He's been speaking from an African American experience because he has experienced it. It is an interesting observation, but the human genome and the many forms it takes is beyond our control and has nothing to do with a cultural experience. Now, I also want to make note that not all of Wright's broadcasted sayings speak for the African American community as a whole. Like any of race of people, the perspectives are complex, and it is unfair to make a blanket statement that all Blacks feel the way he's stated about us. BUT what I think he's done was to say what we all think in the back of our minds. It sounds crazier to say it in front of the majority (Whites), but some of his speeches (even though I disagree with them fervently) has even been going on in the back of my mind before I ever heard anyone boldly say them. I don't think what Rev. Wright has said behind the pulpit, in light of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, was right. The Gospel of Christ should be preached behind the pulpit, not the African American angers and conspiracy theories. There's another appropriate platform for that, and he should've found another way. I still don't wholeheartedly agree with everything he's done and said because of the convoluted effects.

Jeremiah Wright is lighter-complected than Barack Obama. Why has no one (Wright included) revealed his racial heritage? I deplore the fact that anyone with a drop of African blood is automatically considered black. That is just dumb, and generates racism on both sides. Someone please explain this to me. Thank you, Joyce Allard (Caucasian)

While I do not like everything that Rev. Wright has said, I cannot find it in my heart to condemn the man. What gives me the greatest sympathy for him is the fact that he is not altogether wrong. Just today, one James E. Woodard, a 55 year old black male was released from prison in Dallas Texas. He was falsely accused and imprisoned for 3 decades for murder. DNA evidence finally freed him, but the reality is that the evidence against him was never there.

To date 17 black men have been released from jail in Dallas after an examination of the DNA evidence. That's 17 out of 40 cases examined. That's a pretty high error rate by any measure; one, dare I say, driven by racism. No white men or women have been freed, none were imprisoned on the same kind of slim evidence that convicted Mr. Woodard; apparently our drive to imprison someone in every case only extends to black men.

Of course the black men in Dallas have it better than black men in other Texas cities. Dallas was the only city that made a substantial effort to save DNA from such cases. Tough luck if you're from Houston.

Is it so hard to see why men such as Rev. Wright are mad? Is it so hard to see why they don't feel that America is the best, why they might even want to curse her at times?

I was raised thinking that America was above such things as the imprisonment of a man for the color of his skin, Rev. Wright was not. That he should rail against the things that we do wrong is a testament to him as a human being, like him or not.

As long as we as people attempt to isolate ourselves as other than just american's or just religious we will never be united. Every underprivileged group who came to america either by their own will or in shackles was mis-treated or abused by the capitalist system. It is the nature of the beast. Get Over It. The Native Americans have been mis-treated and abused more than any other group and yet I see no special empathy toward them either. Our next president Barack Obama is living proof of opportunities in this great nation. The time has come for ALL americans to Get Over It already. Poor people of every race and ethnicity have had as much opportunity as anyone if they really desired to better their life. Instead of whining and claiming foul. I as well as others are the son & daughters of abandoned welfare mother's, although from drive & desire rose through the ranks to achieve the american dream after attending poor inner city schools. Go and make a better life instead of whining about the sins of america. America is the land of opportunity!

It is simplistic to describe opposition to Wright as “racial”. Wright joins others who are anti-scientific: this includes Falwell and Liberty “University”, the present Republican Administration, and Bryan “University” in Dayton, TN, to name three. Wright attributes Hurricane “Katrina” to causes other than scientific: Falwell and Liberty “University” and others teach that astronomy, geology, biology including evolution, physics, chemistry, and other scientific disciplines are wrong. What a strange contrast occurs when all want young people to participate in scientific education but no one denounces the anti-scientists!

It is simplistic to describe opposition to Wright as “racial”. Wright joins others who are anti-scientific: this includes Falwell and Liberty “University”, the present Republican Administration, and Bryan “University” in Dayton, TN, to name three. Wright attributes Hurricane “Katrina” to causes other than scientific: Falwell and Liberty “University” and others teach that astronomy, geology, biology including evolution, physics, chemistry, and other scientific disciplines are wrong. What a strange contrast occurs when all want young people to participate in scientific education but no one denounces the anti-scientists!

After weeks of reading commentary and hearing inflammatory rhetoric about Obama and Wright on the Internet, it is frustrating to find that - as usual - the real issues aren’t being addressed. The reason most of you responding negatively to Wrght and to those who are supportive and in agreement with him is so you can divert attention from these bigger issues.

It's easy to ignore the context of Wright’s speeches and answers and focus on a comment or two. God forbid one actually get the big picture. To focus on and denounce Wright's belief about U.S. involvement in creating AIDs or that he appears "hateful" or wouldn't denounce Farrakhan certainly helps to keep the focus OFF all the other pointed comments he made and we all should know about this country's legacy of slavery and injustice - though some pretend not to. From genocide of Native Americans and theft of their land, imperialist wars, from the Mexican-American War to Iraq today, government corruption can all be ignored when the focus is on Wright's "arrogant attitude" or some of his angry responses to absurd questions. After all, what's he got to be angry about? We know Jesus never got angry, or did he? For those who don’t believe Christians should never become angry, read in the New Testament how Jesus drives the moneychangers out of the temple. I don’t think he was smiling at the time.

I'd especially love to hear how the ones who call Wright crazy address the facts surrounding the Tuskegee Experiments.

“The United States government did something that was wrong—deeply, profoundly, morally wrong. It was an outrage to our commitment to integrity and equality for all our citizens. . . . clearly racist. “
—President Clinton's apology for the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment to the eight remaining survivors, May 16, 1997

The CIA had to admit their involvement in the Crack Cocaine epidemic of the 90's after journalists documented and exposed them. The more famous books documenting the CIA and drug trafficking are “Dark Alliance” by Gary Webb - now deceased - and "Whiteout" by Jeffrey St. Clair and Alexander Cockburn. If it's a conspiracy theory these folks have constructed, it's certainly a detailed one with plenty of documentation from a myriad of journalists. Could it be they all just wanted to cater to black paranoia?

This country has a well-documented, widely acknowledged history of racism. If you don’t want to hear from African-Americans, just ask the Arab-Americans who were hauled off to prison under the Patriot Act after 9/11/2001 and deported to countries that they originally fled from under fear of imprisonment and torture.


This country is now in a economic crisis that is ostensibly connected to the impossibly expensive wars we wage in Iraq and Afghanistan as well as to deep corruption in Washington. Our wars in the Middle East are illegal, violate international law and are based on massive lies. Most of the private contractors (weapons manufacturers, suppliers, mercenary groups) the government hires - with our tax dollars - make hundreds of millions from these wars. If Wright speaks to the blood on our hands and includes all of us in this statement, why react with disbelief, when so many of us know this to be fact?

Whether you believe in God or not, whether you believe this country has gotten past racism or not, if you disagree or hate what he said, please go beyond the AIDs and Farrakhan statements that Wright made (Farrakhan is the usual strawman the MSM tosses out at all prominant blacks who talk about white racism). It's too easy. It lets you off the hook from seeing the overall picture: We have not stopped our quest for Empire (which is why McCain wants 100 years more in Iraq), and we all are slowly losing our rights - both civil and human - as a result. Regardless of skin color, we all have very big issues to be concerned about.

We have a media that continuously lies to us and has lied to us for a long time. There's no reason to cater to a power that crucifies anyone - regardless of skin color - that doesn't tow their line. How could we possibly suppose we have the absolute truth on anything, if we base what we know on their reports? They prove over and over again how unreliable they are. They exist to turn a profit, not to give us the truth. They will villify and extol anyone if it gets people to watch and to distract us from the real problems that exist on this planet.

When was the last time we saw weeks of headlines screaming about Climate Change? How much play do they give to the Bush Administration's secret signing statements and dismissal of Constitutional Law? How many times have the presidential candidates been asked by the media about the increasing privatization of the government and military? How about the corporate fraud that created the home foreclosure crisis? What would they do to reign in the power of lobbyists in Washington? What looping soundbites have they given over the growing economic disparity in this country between rich and poor, the increasing surveillance of our population, our disappearing civil liberties, our unaffordable healthcare, the many hundreds of billions of dollars given to the Pentagon and agencies like the NSA? How well are we performing in this endless War on Terror?

Governments lie. They always have and always will. To dismiss assertions that they have lied in the past requires proof that they always tell the truth. You won't find any documentation of that: real journalism uncovers the lies that those in power tell all the time. To focus on one unorthodox belief and label the believer insane is nonsense. Most of us hold some unorthodox or controversial belief. It’s called independent thinking. If you’ve never done it before, you might want question your own sanity.

To call people who question this county’s motives and bring its “sins” to light as anti-American or haters of America presumes that our leaders are all-good and beyond questioning. It presumes our policies - domestic and foreign - have at their source and heart some sort of divine guidance or indisputable good. That belief is not a democratic one - it’s one that supports a dictatorship, a monarchy or a theocracy. That belief opposes the 1st Amendment, which guarantees free speech and an open forum for all opinions to be stated. Divisions are what make us human: we can’t possibly agree on everything - but why be intolerant and dismissive of those who don’t believe or act the way we do? That is the essence, IMO, of what Wright was saying. He didn’t call anyone names. He didn’t threaten anyone with violence, unlike our government. He didn’t simplify his argument, unlike the mainstream media. The real work ahead for all of us as citizens is to keep the presumed leaders focused on making the U.S. a real democracy, one that welcomes all voices - critical or not - and to stop expecting simple answers to complex problems.

"Jeremiah is a bullfrog and he's a friend of mine."

Thank you, Bill Moyers, for your courage once again to express the painful truth about the Wright controversy in your follow up piece on May 2nd.. The diatribe spewed by a majority of the media was certainly the politics of personal destruction and a very sad commentary on their ability and willingness to hold an intelligent conversation on race.
On the other hand, Senator Obama has the intelligence, willingness and ability to have this conversation and many other conversations that would move the people of the United States in to a higher and more conscious vibration. Hopefully, we can count on enough people to have the discernment to recognize a very capable leader when they hear one.


Jeremiah Wright is obviously a self-hating member of the Mulatto Elite whose anti-white ravings mask his belief that he's not good enough for the honor of this European ancestry. His skin is lighter than Obama's and I'll bet at least one of his parents looks as white as Obama's mother.

Dear Mr. Moyers:

If there is a time when someone should be commended for taking a stance against hypocrisy in the field of journalism, it is you! I applaud your sentiments expressed on your show, which aired Friday, May 2nd, 2008 on PBS in a eloquent rebuttal to the controversy involving Reverend Jeremiah Wright. My husband and I believe that there is not enough 'true' journalistic individuals in today's mainstream media spectrum, but you, sir, have undoubtedly shown to the public why we, the general public, regardless of our race, ethnicity, religious beliefs, or geographic origin of birth, that our maligned ignorance that is often taught early in life by sheer covert & overt racism bred from generation to generation, will in the long-run become a self-actualization of spiritual demise with an ultimate goal of achieving disunity for many many years to come in America.

Your 'on-point' introduction to the foul air of discontent spewed by mainstream & cable media outlets to continue feeding negative and overt overtones of straight & reverse 'psychological racism' that is designed to foster fear mongering of racial discord in America among American born men, women, and children from every spectrum of the hu[e]man race is so transparent that it is no wonder that our country is in a tizzy economically, academically, financially, spiritually, etc.

Thus, too many of us still cannot accept, embrace, nor fathom the sheer notion of having a Black Man as the President of the United States of America! Instead, the idea of having a Caucasian man or woman to lead a country, which many believe deep down in the hearts and souls that such a person may not suit our country's needs in a positive way is preferable than having a man who has proven exceptionally well despite, and in spite of the tumultuous controversial news-lynchings Senator Barack Obama have faced in the media circus.

But you know what? The majority of people in America, most of whom were Caucasians, wanted the current President Bush to govern this country believing that "they" will dominate in every way in this country, and as a result, have not done so. Hence, the majority of people who are hurting in this wacky economy, recession, home foreclosures, bad health exhausting their pensions, etc. are the same Caucasians who are feeling what many Blacks, Hispanics, and poor Whites have already experienced for years!

So, now, here we are again . . . preferring to have another Caucasian man, or a Caucasian woman, both of whom have NEVER felt, nor experienced what it is liked to be Black, Hispanic, or poor, but yet, who will most likely become nominated and/or elected as President of the U.S.A. because of the sheer pure unadulterated inherent fear of having a Black Man who knows and understands the communities and cultures of folks who are Black, Caucasian (White), Hispanic, Asian, Native American, and who can relate to the economic woes we are facing in America. However, I guess it is easier to believe that Senator Obama is not Presidential material because of Rev. Jeremiah Wright, the so-called "bitter comments" (most of which a myriad of Whites AGREED with Sen. Obama), the so-called 'elitist' farce, and on, and on, and on! I guess that is easier to blame these lame excuses instead of facing the sheer cold facts that having a Black Man is NOT acceptable!

Thank you Mr. Moyer's for showing other journalists where they lie very short in their chosen field of journalism. However, I haven't heard or read any of your show's "sound bites" on any of the other so-called journalist shows. Hhmmmm, I wonder why?

May you continue to do good work for a long time to come.

I think even Bill Moyers has not had the opportunity to see the videos of Pastor Wright's appearances at the National Press Club or at the NAACP.

If he had seen them, then he would not give the slightest bit of credence to the smear campaign being waged against Wright.

You do not have to be a psychologist to analyze behavior that did not happen. The behavior that did happen was the media once again distorting Wright's remarks.

I know a lot of you are thinking, "Surely the media cannot be blatantly distorting these recent events after they have been called to task for distorting his sermons."

Well you would be wrong. You should be thinking, "If they did it once, why wouldn't they do it again?"

For all the wailing there is in support of Rev. Wright "spekaing truth to power," it remains that Barack Obama and the highest-level leadership in his campaign have decided that Wright was toxic.

I wonder how much it was that Wright's "AIDS conspiracy" comments were the straw that broke the camel's back in this instance. Because the AIDS support community, a mjor force in Democratic politics must have been rightfully outraged and offended (Obama said "all Americans" would be "rightfully offended" by Wright's comments) by the scientifically and morally deceptive theory that AIDS was the product of a government conspiracy.

Liberal Democrats are good at railing against racism and injustice as long as they don't step on the toes of any of their own special interests in the process.

Consequently, while Democrats might talk about past racism, they'll rarely mention the past racism of the labor unions. And while Democrats might talk about limiting the influence of the wealthy and powerful, it's not likely that they'll mention the wealthy and powerful trial lawyers.

It is obvious the reason Barack Obama remained in a setting/church community that gives him an identity, of which the racism of America robs people like him!


Barack Obama was conceived in a white womb.
Barack Obama fell from white loins.
Barack Obama played 'hide and seek' under a white skirt as a toddler.
Barack Obama grew up in a white household as a youngster.

Then tadaa!
Barack Obama began to grow into a young man.

And Barack is reminded that he (COMING FROM A WHITE HOUSEHOLD) needed to learn to accept the racist-ASSIGNED identity that he was now a Black man in America!

And so Barack Obama fortunately found acceptance, in a Black Chicago community/church, of his pigmentation and WHITE UPBRINGING.

All the racists Americans who continue to wail on Obama over his association with a Black church, which helped to cement the RACIST-ASSIGNED Black identity in America, will surely be damned! lol

The good rev has said during his remarks before the National Press Club that his comments were edited. Moyers and company should post the entire, complete interview without editing on this web site so that all may watch and judge for themselves. To do less is to suggest that Moyers and staff are preventing this man from making his case in full. On the air there are the restrictions of time, online, here, there is not. Please post the entire uncut interview. It's the only right thing to do. Thank you

As long as people attempt to isolate ourselves as other than american we will never be united. Every underprivileged group who came here either by their own will or in shackles was mis-treated and abused. The Native Americans have been mis-treated and abused more than any other group and yet we feel no special empathy toward them either. Our next president Barack Obama is living proof of opportunities in this great nation. The time has come to get over it already. Go and make a better life instead of whining about the sins of america. America is the land of opportunity!

Rich Kirk

One senses that you are trying to be sincere in your position on Moyers' insightful comment.
However, generations of mis-education seems to get in the way.

The hoopla over Rev Right RELIGIOUS RHETORIC says more about Americans' racism and IGNORANCE than it does about Rev Right, AN OLD MAN!

THREATS (which are the precursors of actions) ARE the kinds of words on which Americans should be wasting so much time, energy and attention!

When maniac muslims THREATEN to destroy Americans and DO demonstrate that they follow through with ACTION, then those are the kinds of words that deserve the kinds of attention Americans are wasting on the RELIGIOUS RHETORIC of Rev Right!

No one who is virtuous, honest and effectively educated will blame Rev Right for the much ado over mere HARMLESS AMERICAN RELIGIOUS RHETORIC!

For anyone who thinks even slightly on the hoopla surrounding Rev Right, the CONSTANT REPLAYING of particular clips of sermons by the media morons, should be a DEAD GIVE AWAY that replays were done by racists.

The clips were OVERPLAYED to polarize Americans by taking advantage of their ignorance and racist disposition?

It is not like Rev Right words were real threats and the precursors of destructive actions to any American?
So why waste so much time, effort and attention, when REAL THREATS (not mere religious rhetoric) to Americans are outstanding in Afghanistan and Pakistan, etc?

The real problem with the Rev Right affair is neither with the OLD MAN, Rev Right, or with Obama.

The real problem with the OVERBLOWN Rev Right affair IS with the fertile ground of AMERICA'S RACISM, in which mere RELIGIOUS RHETORIC is given a life by racists that is much much bigger than the HARMLESS RELIGIOUS RHETORIC is worth!

"I tremble for my country when I think God is just and justice does not sleep forever". Thomas Jefferson

Wright spoke about: As you sow, so shall you reap. Wright, then is the fruit sown by Jim Crow and RIP, Emmett Till who could be celebrating turning 67 this year along with Wright.

Obama had it right he first time~he understood Wright and his character and did not agree with him on many things.

If there were no white supremacists there would be no Rev. Wrights. Why would a Supreme Court Justice (Sandra Day O'Connor) rule in favor of the Ku Klux Klan over 14th Amendment rights of "equal protection under the law" of those being terrorized in 1998 by the Klan. Case decided in 2001, I believe letting the terrorize off the hook.

Moyer, sir, you have it right, the commenters will never "get it". They are part of the problem.

Bill Moyers has written a touching lament for the tragedy of Barack Obama and Jeremiah Wright.

"All the rest of us should hang our heads in shame for letting it come to this in America..."

All the rest of us, specifically everyone except Barack Obama and Jeremiah Wright, should hang our heads in shame?

Shame on us... for anything and everything that happens anywhere ever in the history of the world? For every stupid, hateful thing that anyone may ever say or do?

This garbage sounds like a parody of "bleeding heart" liberals by Rush Limbaugh on one of his really bad days!

We should "hang our heads in shame for letting it come to this in America," when a black Senator can become the leading candidate for President of the United States?

We should "hang our heads in shame for letting it come to this in America," when the only thing that can keep Barack Obama out of the White House is his own cowardice for not confronting Jeremiah Wright?

I feel so ashamed that Barack Obama didn't have the balls to confront his hate-freak pastor for 20 years!

But look, says Bill Moyers! Jeremiah Wright doesn't scream hate-speech every second of every day!

Jeremiah Wright actually managed to talk to Moyers for a whole hour without screaming hate at whitey!

What a wonderful guy!

And when David Duke or some other KKK lunatic comes on Bill Moyers and manages to avoid the N-word for an hour...

Is Bill Moyers going to tell us how ashamed we should be for condemning the KKK?

This is a new low in low standards!

If you can act sane for 60 minutes, then anything else you may have ever said or done was probably just a freakish aberration!

Hurrah for Barack Obama and his hate-freak pastor!

But none of Moyers' excuses kept Obama from throwing Jeremiah Wright under the bus!

"He finally leaves Obama no choice but to end their friendship..."

Poor little Obama! No choice! Whitey made him renounce his dear friend! We should all be so ashamed!

Now let's all sing "God damn America!" along with Barack and Jeremiah and Bill Moyers, and spend the next 4 years wondering how the Democrats lost another election.

So let's make it a little less simple:

First: Obama makes the most condescending defense of Jeremiah Wright that it is possible to imagine, even including racist language from the days of Jim Crow... He's my crazy old "uncle."

Then Obama gets exposed by his own advisor for bullshitting about NAFTA.

The Obama decides it's a wonderful idea to undermine every gun-control law ever written, and make it almost impossible to write new gun-control legislation.

Then Obama votes to fund the war in Iraq every chance he gets and then he throws Jeremiah Wright under the bus for saying exactly the same things he has been saying for 20 years.

Maybe some of us are just too simple-minded to understand how Barack Obama could be anything other than an absolutely unscrupulous politician and all-around bullshitter, and I'm sure Bill Moyers would want us to be very ashamed...

And meanwhile Moyers and all the other Obamabots and Obama himself can just go on shamelessly bullshitting forever!

Reverend Wright speaks his truth. If white America (I am white by the way) can not hear or understand his truth, it is only because they are living in denial of what race in America means. Having white skin means having the privilege of not having to think about race. Reverend Wright is right about so many things he said. Even his comments about the US government being complicit in bringing HIV to the black (and I would add, gay) community, is not that off-base. I remember hearing an ex-CIA agent, named John Stockwell who went public with all he knew about what the CIA has done in the interest of "national security" - horrifying experiments that have been done on unsuspecting Americans. I do not trust our government today - the government that lied to us about Iraq, any more than I trust the government of Ronald Reagan, that traded arms for hostages and lied to us about it. Blind faith in our leaders just makes us blind. Because Wright is speaking the truth, he is seen as a threat, and that is why the media is so intent on discrediting him. How about discrediting the real threats to our safety - George W. Bush, Dick Cheyney and the axis of evil that inhabits our very goverment. Wright is not the threat, those in power who will stop at nothing to secure their power are.

I wonder whether this needs to be the racial issue that many are making it.

Former Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives Newt Gingrich had this to say about the matter:
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GINGRICH: Well, let me say, first of all, I think that there are a lot of other issues that matter. I think health matters, the environment matters, the economy matters, a lot of -- energy matters. But where I think it's hard to even explain this, and you're going to hate this answer...

COLMES: Thanks for letting me know ahead of time.

GINGRICH: ... is Jeremiah Wright is actually not so much representative of the black church as he is representative of the hard left. He's much closer to -- to Noam Chomsky. He's much closer to Bill Ayers. He's much closer to a tradition that sees America as the center of evil in the world. And that's actually an ideological base.
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I think that there is great merit to what Gingrich says. The more I hear of Wright, the more I am convinced that the soundbites, the snippets, are actually in keeping with Wright's overall message. Wright hasn't been misquoted. He's been one of the most carefully quoted people in public life today. And the sermons of Wright don't have all that much to do with theology or the Soutside Chicago community; they could just as easily have been deliverd by disgraced Colorado professor Ward Churchill, or by Hugo Chavez in Venezuela, or by white radicals in Berkeley, Claifornia; Cambridge, Massachusetts, or Madison, Wisconsin.

I was unable to view your program in which you interviewed Rev. Jeremiah Wright but did catch your follow-up comments last Friday night. For perhaps the first time in memory, I found myself taking issue with what you were saying.
Like Nixon, the Rev. Wright was arrogant enough to have himself recorded making statements that to say the least, prudence would have dictated that he should not have done. I was in very white Oregon (I live in central Philadelphia) when the tapes were played nationally, and I found myself explaining to folks there that it is impossible to be black in America and NOT be exposed to this kind of rhetoric incessantly, and not just in church, either. If you are black, this kind of rhetoric can and will come from some of your dearest friends and not all of them are Reverends.
Of course, the folks in Oregon had not construed the remarks as particularly anti-American, as the press always reports it. They had construed the remarks as anti-white. There is a difference.
I have to agree that the Rev. Wright’s bitterness and frustrations are totally and completely understandable. Those of us who have really studied American history with an open mind are still learning more about the extent of atrocities committed against our fellow African American citizens, and at times they seem to never end. Just this year, the Jenna Six incident showed all too clearly that the centuries-old racialist traditions are far from extinguished deep in the white psyche. No one is more aware of that than African Americans.
But it is also true that the same time, in the last forty years, the race dynamic in America has inextricably changed. That is not to say that the problems have been solved, they have not, but race issues have become far more plastic and dynamic now for a whole generation in America. It is also true that a lot of honest effort has been expended in white America in unlearning and unloading some of the worst biases and oppressive behaviors of our past in an effort to at least include African Americans equally in the “privileges” of today’s America, such as they are. We still have a long way to go.
Then, along comes Barack Obama, who is the very embodiment of what so many of us have yearned for but never thought we’d see in our lifetimes. Obama has completely captured the hearts of African Americans to a degree which surprised even me, but he is also clearly someone with whom tens of millions of white Americans feel totally comfortable, and probably 90% of them have never before even contemplated voting for an African American, let alone actually done so. If this isn’t a breakthrough, I just don’t know what is. Obama represents a bridge which could do more for crossing America’s racial gap and making us whole than any person who has come before him in our entire history. He has put America at a historic crossroads, ready or not. And when will a second opportunity of this sort present itself again?
It is in this context that I must disagree with your defense of Rev. Wright, however muted. The first “outing” of Rev. Wright, with its grotesque rhetoric and the revelation of his mentorship of Obama, was ill received by the white population that still knows too little about our African American fellow citizens, and it had a chilling effect. The one race skill that most whites in America have mastered best is when to interpret black rhetoric as anti-white, but with too little understanding or patience with what underlies the rhetoric to which they are so sensitized. Hence, Obama, who is so remarkably free of this rhetoric and thinking himself, got tainted with a harsh stigma as a matter of guilt by association with his mentor and pastor, Rev. Wright.
The telling issue with Rev. Wright, however, is not what happened in the first round, although it was stupendously regrettable, but rather, the issue is with his astonishing follow-up. He showed no repentance for the serious damage he had done. He was self-righteous while slickly dodging question after question. Worst of all, the whole nation saw him utter the word “politician” in reference to Obama with the same now infamous snarly contempt that he used in hissing “America the Beautiful”, but now aimed directly at his own black pupil whom he once brought to Jesus Christ. Oh, the irony of it! Oh, where does it end? The Rev. Wright, and those few who so ardently applauded his second round of demagoguery, thus managed to worsen the already irreparable damage they have done and are possibly destroying one of the greatest opportunities of the entire historic American experiment. Since I do not think the man stupid, I can only conclude that for reasons that are inexplicable, the Rev. Wright and his followers do not want the status quo of adversarial race relations to change one iota in America. Perhaps too comfortable in their current mind-set, too fearful to step outside the cloak of their own oppression, they are unable to see beyond their own biases and frustrations to the real possibilities for a better America. What the Rev. Wright has done is clearly harmful to the whole of America, and as usual, it is more harmful to blacks in America than to whites, and yet in his self-righteous delusion he has completely failed to grasp it. Instead, Wright saw fit to quote the Bible: “That which ye have sown, that shall ye also….” And to add to the drama, he let his followers finish the quote.
Indeed? Well, congratulations and right back at you, Rev. Wright. A few choice Bible verses might be thrown at you, too, but you probably are deaf to that sort of thing.
I see no reason for anyone to feel any need to apologize for Rev. Wright. I appreciate that you interviewed him, it is important, even, since it is what it is, but there is no need to defend him when he is helping no one. And while I’m on the subject, not all white Americans, not even all white Christian Americans, either overlook or excuse the bigoted pronouncements of the Rev. Pat Robertson, the Rev. Jerry Falwell, the Rev. Billy Graham, and their pathetic ilk, with their fundamentalist venom and fraudulent Christian quackery. They do indeed fool a lot of people, but they do not fool everyone. They are in fact, along with the Rev. Wright, all members of the same fraternity. The question before us all now lingers heavily in the spring mists: can enough Americans of all colors find a way to overcome all the demagoguery and race-baiting and do the right thing, just this once, together, for a better America at THIS historic moment?
Thanks for listening. I still have hope.
Rich Kirk

Well, Bill, I was watching Reliable Sources and they played a clip where you said "BILL MOYERS, PBS: This is crazy and wrong. White preachers are given leeway in politics that others aren't. All the rest of us should hang our heads in shame for letting it come to this in America, where the gluttony of the nonstop media grinder consumes us all and prevents an honest conversation on race."

I thought the point was important enough to watch the entire clip. I was not disappointed.

I think your brand of journalism is on decline. The soft news has taken over and has made fools of the American public. We don't want a media personality interpreting the story for us. We just want the facts on a 24 hour basis. If people want to slant our opinion, why not leave that type of opinion on a network devoted to a particular brand of politics.

The decline in media's ability to give us basic information means our democracy has eroded beyond belief. The Fourth Estate is not in that position to give us propaganda. It is in that position to give us the who? the what? the where? and how it impacts me, a member of the public? The media is so fawning in its self reverential treatment that it can't admit that it is leading the American public to ruin.

I don't blame you for giving Rev. Wright an opportunity to explain himself nor do I blame the National Press Club for giving him a forum to disparage the media. I do think it is pretty disingenuous to have the media turn around and condemn Wright for the platform they've given him.

At some point, where is the shame?

Bill and D. -
The Civil War "argument", which it was not, was an effort to point out that during the Civil War, more people were killed in trying to secure the right of all men to be free, to be treated equally; as many as were killed in all our other major wars. Anyone who really read the post knows it wasn't a "we saved your butt" comment.
If fighting and dying over every man's freedom was that important to those men - then it should be at least of "equal importance to us now." I hope that helps clear up that comment for you.
Wright, is right in what he points out but since your interview with him he has been negative in his presentation.
Obama is coming from a positive direction. Wright's remarks in regard to Obama, are negative and regressive.
It appears that Obama would present the problems with less rancor and move us "all" forward.

I see that there are still some people who are deluded and think that racial strife in America is something that is just a minor annoyance. They wax eloquently like a Rodney King, talking about can't we all just get along. They don't see it, the insidious and destructive way that racism has entrenched itself in the very being of some people and perpetuates itself generation after generation. These people with blinders are lamenting the same old song since the beginning of slavery, "Hey, everybody else has it bad too, what's your beef?" If you think that the Indians aren't feeling the pains of the past, read a book, visit a reservation. Last hired, first fired, police racial profiling, or just straight up police brutality, being dragged behind trucks, are just some examples that racism is alive and well. Rev. Wright is not racism, Rev. Wright is a response to racism. You can't just wish something away. If you want racism to end, then find out what it is, define it, talk about it, don't do it yourself, and make sure when it shows up in your presence, you let it know it's not welcome. Stop suffering from naivete, misinformation, ego, and hurt feelings, or you'll be stuck in that circle of perpetual slave and master. The person who hasn't been burned by the fire shouldn't be telling the one who has how to feel. Empathy, try it on, see how it fits.

I liked the Bill Moyers interview, especially the first part. I don't think it was wrong to softball the questions after parts of Wrights sermons were looped. Maybe PBS should take the opportunity to revisit the origins of aids question. That is the title of Tom Curtis' 1992 Rolling Stone article. Is he still around? Edward Hooper could be interviewed as well. No vaccine has been developed so far - does that have anything to do with the origin of AIDS?

Trish your eloquent and 100% correct statement reveals the "real" truth that even a marginal commentator like bill moyers refuses to admit

Thank you for being you!

Bob, I am not a left-wing propagandist. I do not understand the terms 'left-wing' and 'right-wing,' any more than I understand the terms 'liberal' and 'conservative.' I know a fair amount about war because of the course I developed and taught for an Honors Program, which was called "Documentary Film and Literature of Modern War.' What I learned from extensive research for the course is what led to my closing comment about America's perhaps unwitting slide into corruption and danger.

The United States, historically, has been-and remains-naive about war in comparison with European countries, which have had far too much direct experience of it. I have lived in Paris and London; I have spent a great deak if time traveling in Europe; I was in Britain when the Israeli-Lebanese war broke out; I was convinced we were on the brink of World War Three. I remain convinced that we are moving toward that potentially apocalyptic conflict. Anyway, I regret that you miscontrused my remarks. Regards, M A Wimsatt

Bill Moyers did this whole discussion a great disservice by not asking the hard questions in his "conversation" with Rev. Wright. I the Reverend says that his words were taken out of context then ask him what he meant in context. Bill didn't even go that far. His questions were softball and his approach was to advocate for his interviewee rather than to ask any informative question. Bill showed no journalistic instincts in this situation and we all have lost out because of it.

Reverend Wright is the perfect example of why we still have the KKK, we still need the EEOC, and every other program that we have been subject to since Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves. There have been and continue to be massive divides in our country that we've never been able to breach simply because we can't seem to move past the issue of color, religious differences, sex and every other issue that makes us all unique and different which is how God created us. People like Wright are the reason that we cannot unite as one people and move past the issues that we have allowed to divide our nation.

Wright’s inability and unwillingness to move beyond the bitterness of the civil rights violations, the battles of the past, battles that continue today. Battles that never see the light of a press announcement or merit an obscure story line on page 13 of any paper published. Wright and others like him just re-enforce the belief of a minority of people that our nation can never work past our differences, and move on as a nation of ONE, which we should have done years ago.
As a child and young adult in the 1960s, 70s I witnessed the segregation that was still practiced, the separate dining areas and entrances, the “less than” treatment that blacks were subject to that their ancestors experienced before Lincoln freed the slaves. I experienced first hand the outrage that my father displayed when I brought twin black girls from my school home because they were my friends. Generations have been taught that we don’t cross the racial divide, its unacceptable behavior yet no one could explain why other than “I said so.”

I don’t understand the “African American experience”. I don’t believe that we are in Africa and the majority of blacks that mention it couldn’t trace their ancestry back to Africa within the last 300 years if they tried. Why is this something that is advocated not just by the people, but is permissible and acceptable behavior that is touted by the press? This is America, not Africa so it should be the American experience with no reference to Africa or any other nation or color involved. Do other minorities have a version of every media outlet that the blacks have? No, because it’s not “politically correct or acceptable.” Do we apologize to the Indian Nations for the treatment that they were and are still subject to when we invaded American and herded them on to reservations? Why do we dwell in the past, never letting old wounds heal, and working as hard to bridge the differences between us as a people as we have to separate the races? Because of people like Wright, and as long as people like Wright are allowed the access to media we will never move from the past into the future. As long as the media gives the radical, disenfranchised, bitter people a platform, we will always be a nation divided.

Who is Barack Obama? The first thing that comes to MY mind is: “right rap, right look, right conman”. Americans look to Obama or any other smooth talking politician to tell them what they want to hear, whether it be regarding hope, change or more perks. Americans have proved themselves naive before and will prove themselves once again dumb as dishwater after being sucked into another politicians self serving smooth talk. Regardless of who wins the election we will not prosper, the politicians get richer and we will keep dreaming until death due us part.

Thank you Mr. Moyers for further clarification that you my friend are not a non-biased responsible journalist. It now is rather evident that you my friend have out lived your usefulness as a "marginal" commentator, perhaps you could return to the shameless promotion of Joseph Campbell's Myth's & Mysticism (Opiatic religious mumbo jumbo and general brainwashing for the common masses)? You have now officially turned PBS into the FOX network. I can only hope they keep you off of NPR. I have always supported and loved PBS because of the truly non-biased opinions. Due to this love I would not comment on last weeks obvious sympathetic caressing of Rev. Wright. Now however after your nine (9) minute (viewer paid for) uncalled for justification of the Rev Wright interview and subliminal bias toward anyone not supporting Rev. Wright's views I must chime in. I can only hope next week Mr Moyers will spend as much time and effort promoting Sen Clinton's campaign as his obvious desceptive promotion of Sen Obama's campaign this week. Good Night Bill and turn off the lights on your way out.

5/1/08
Who is Barack Obama? The first thing that comes to MY mind is: “right place, right time, right man”. Americans by the millions are looking to Obama to LISTEN their calls of HOPE and CHANGE.

ALL the senses are stimulated. A political organizers dream candidate.
People who’ve NEVER gotten INVOLVED before let alone VOTED, are coming TOGETHER calling themselves “Concerned Citizens”. DEMANDS for ethics, responsibility and accountability are becoming more & MORE prevalent on the American. The INTERNET is burning up with the MESSAGE (and Obama support and donations “mybarackobama.com”) CHANGE IS IN THE AIR!

The second thought that enters my mind: WHY the #*~/ is the media and a varying 38-46% of Democrats trying SO HARD to ruin that kind of PARTICIPATION… the Obama phenomenon? It IS still about the PEOPLE, right? Y’know, all that about “Of, By, For”, Life Liberty, Happiness, Equal Rights and JUSTICE!

This Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers “guilt by association” game is just NUTS! THIS is NEWS? So out-of-touch Republicans, Reagan Democrats and Hilary supporters ARE, they believe ALL THIS PETTY BS, will sway the Concerned Citizens from their DEMANDS.
No NO, not NOW! Not in this time of Bush Administration foreign policy BLUNDERS, reckless economics, waste, fraud, abuse, incompetence, scandal, corruption, arms dealing, war profiteering, torture, Constitutional VIOLATIONS! (It’s as though the JUSTICE sic Department NEVER heard of the R.I.C.O. Act)

Not when Republican, Reagan Democrat VOTERS refuse to admit they made a HUGE mistake VOTING for George W. Bush, not once but TWO TIMES? And want MORE OF THE SAME PAIN WITH John McCain…

It’s up to Indiana and North Carolina to make this RIGHT! And kick to the curb all these roadblocks in the way of HOPE & CHANGE…

NOTE: (Here in New Mexico we’re working (volunteering) HARD with our Gov. “big” Bill Richardson to turn this state from Republican Red to Democratic blue. Not only get rid of McCain but “Bush Republicans” Heather Wilson, Steve Pearce and Darrin White)

Thank you, thank you, thank you Bill Moyers for your sane and balanced comments on your May 2 program.

I was extremely saddened by the Obama/Wright split earlier this week and your words helped immensely. I particularly appreciated your candid remarks that the Wright "controversy" is all about race. We have a terrible double standard in this country.

I am white and liberal Christian, an Obama supporter, mid 50's middle class. And for the most part, I agree with Rev. Wright.

And I'm a big Bill Moyers fan!

Thank you, thank you, thank you Bill Moyers for your sane and balanced comments on your May 2 program.

I was extremely saddened by the Obama/Wright split earlier this week and your words helped immensely. I particularly appreciated your candid remarks that the Wright "controversy" is all about race. We have a terrible double standard in this country.

I am white and liberal Christian, an Obama supporter, mid 50's middle class. Just so you know...

And a big Bill Moyers fan!

Mr. Moyers, thank you for your courage to speak the unspoken.
Unfortunately, race is still used, however subtly, as a divisive factor in our national politics. One only needs to read the polls conducted by AP, CNN, etc., the press treats as headline news polls showing Sen. Obama having difficulty attracting white voters over age 50 who do not have college degrees. Neither McCain nor Clinton seem to warrant an equivalent level of electoral parsing from news media. AP issues no headlines reading "McCain Falters with Southern Black Voters".

Thank you Mr. Moyers, as per usual, you get it right. There's another angle that isn't being looked at. conveiniently, as it were it's being used to Swift Boat a great opportunity for our country to take back some of the pride it has lost over the past 8 years of corruption and defamation we have endured under this debacle of an administration.

I am not a black man. I believe that what Rev. Wright said and in the context to which he said it was clearly understable and plausable... It takes a real Patriot and an American to the core to defy the mediocrity we are handed these days from the media elite who is solely responsible for our utter demise in-sync with cronism and full out corruption from this administration and their ilke for over the past 40 years period.

There are a slent majority of good American peoples that exist who feel exactly like what Rev. Wright spoke up about. I believe that if the media was doing it's job, like when Watergate broke... We'd have the kind of journalism that would give us the adult facts about the real chaos and backroom dealing that is prevailent in todays self-serving politics.

This subject, when taken apart so surgically, can only prove that the sheer and utter disgust of people who see day in and day out (FOR 400 years) in America?! that deception and wholesale criminality just cannot stand any longer in this great sociological ongoing experiment called the united States of America!

This statement is (If you can handle adult and big boy and big girl truth) is the opitime of Patriotism and U.S. Pride actually... To Rail at the top of ones voice ... In a pulpit, to a congregation and in front of one's savior to beseach His aide through your own disgust and discovery... that your land, which you were brought to as slave and have suffered for so long as a people, that you have come to love and call your own... Is in dire straights and callmity from the decisions of a handful of deceptive and self-serving men. Who actually disclosed their plan to wholesale off this great country and entirely at your expense in more pain and sufferage. Only to make you look like the bafoon that is the unpatriotic one...

Truth and reality these days are a BITCH...

Can you handle the truth???

Teri laverne---Mr. Moyers is your Hero? Please get a life! In all due respeckt s. Laveerne we have many hero's out there and if that's the best you can do then you need to do your homework.

Thank you Bill Moyers for your outstanding comments on Rev. Wright. Employing history for context (imagine that) and comparing him to some reverends on the right made for a "fair and balanced" look at what has become a huge missed opportunity to look at race with some honesty.(Obama's March speech was a great beginning on this, and gave one hope. How did that get stifled? DId the press response have a rolet?)

Now it has become just more of the horse race. Is Obama up or down now because he said this or Wright said that?What a tiresome conversation?

There are real problems in this country and the world. Are Obama and Clinton so undifferentiated on the real issues that only sensationalized issues are going to get the attention of the press?

If so, broaden the coverage and allow us to hear about third party candidates. Nader,for instance, has a different idea on health care policy, Palestine and Israel, nuclear energy, and corporate malfeasance.


Bill Moyers,
Thank you for the opening piece concerning the Rev. Wright & Sen. Barak Obamma fiasco. You brought a keen insight, compassion,& an open "Heart" to your piece, which is rare these days in media journalism.

You also brought something else to your piece, "nuance", which seems to be lacking in our public discourse now days.With the dumbing down of the American public with info-tainment, I see why, & that to me is very sad !

As our world grows so ever more complexed & convoluted, being able to bring a nuanced perspective, should become the norm ( this is one of the gifts about Sen, Obama I love, he brings "nuance") that seems to be lost on a large segment of the American population.

Instead people become suspicious, untrusting, shut-down,& confused.We need more elevated discourse instead of less, in my humble estimation.

Again, thank you Bill Moyer & PBS for being that oasis for those of us who thirst! Sincerely, Robert Hill

Mr. Moyers,
Thank you for this insightful and brave essay on the Rev. Wright "problem".To watch this gave me hope that not all the media is propagating more of the misunderstandings that keep us all so far apart.

In the midst of this Wright controversy Sean Bell's NYPD killers were acquitted ; one of them had fired off at least 31 rounds into an unarmed Sean Bell celebrating the night before his wedding day . Yet where is the coverage of that?or the outrage? THe truth that many white americans cannot face is the truth that Wright has described about this nation.It is the truth that conitnues to be palyed out in the lives of many balcks such as Sean Bell.

AMerican culture says criticism of govt/country is unpatriotic and this has led us where we are today: in an illegal war without end, paying record prices for gas while jobless and homeless in record numbers and generally in dire straits.

Somehow the coverage of a black preacher who has a right to his anger and outrage managed to trump all these other issues. Racism indeed.

Mr. Moyers,
Thank you for this insightful and brave essay on the Rev. Wright "problem".To watch this gave me hope that not all the media is propagating more of the misunderstandings that keep us all so far apart.

In the midst of this Wright controversy Sean Bell's NYPD killers were acquitted ; one of them had fired off at least 31 rounds into an unarmed Sean Bell celebrating the night before his wedding day . Yet where is the coverage of that?or the outrage? THe truth that many white americans cannot face is the truth that Wright has described about this nation.It is the truth that conitnues to be palyed out in the lives of many balcks such as Sean Bell.

AMerican culture says criticism of govt/country is unpatriotic and this has led us where we are today: in an illegal war without end, paying record prices for gas while jobless and homeless in record numbers and generally in dire straits.

Somehow the coverage of a black preacher who has a right to his anger and outrage managed to trump all these other issues. Racism indeed.

Bill:
You are my hero and I am glad I can depend on your honesty and integrity, but I feel you are giving Reverend Wright a pass on his very bad behavior at the Press Club and NAACP. This man makes his living (whether money or just the spotlight) on the currency of hate, resentment, bitterness and lies. He may have done good things in the past, but last week he took vengence on a parishioner for dissing him and he torpedoed the hopes of Americans of all ethnicities whose support for Obama demonstrates the desire to get past this and work on our future together. The last thing he wants is for us all to get along. Selfishness on this scale should not be explained away.

Mr. Moyers,
Thank you for this insightful and brave essay on the Rev. Wright "problem".To watch this gave me hope that not all whites are propagating more of the misunderstandings that keep us all so far apart.

In the midst of this Wright controversy Sean Bell's NYPD killers were acquitted ; one of them had fired off at least 31 rounds into an unarmed Sean Bell celebrating the night before his wedding day . Yet where is the coverage of that?or the outrage? THe truth that many white americans cannot face is the truth that Wright has described about this nation.

THe culture that says criticism is unpatriotic is what has led us where we are today: in an illegal war without end, pauying record prices for gas,while jobless and homeless and in dire straits.

Somehow a black preacher who has a right to his anger and outrage managed to trump all that. Racism indeed.

Dear Mr. Moyers,

Your essay on Reverend Wright is one of the best essays I've ever heard you do. I think you're right on about the double standard and the pass Bush, McCain, and their preachers get. So Obama is forced to distance himself from a man who has done a lot of good things for human rights. Wright may be a little "bombastic", but, as you said (I'm paraphrasing) he never shot or lynched anyone, nor did he ever set a bomb off in someone else's church. I think that oppressed people need a safe place to support each other, make each other stronger, and (sometimes) use strong words (admittedly, I don't watch a lot of mainstream media, so I may have missed some of the sound bites that people are finding so offensive). After hundreds of years of slavery and oppression, I think it's a little unfair to expect oppressed people to talk nice 100% of the time. Their oppressors surely do not. The sermon Wright did that appeared in all the sound bites had completely different meaning when I heard the more complete version on your show last week. And it's a message I happen to agree with: That neither the US, nor any other nation, should go around playing God and Judging people and killing them. I teach my son that violence is only for self defense. When George Bush talked us into invading Iraq, he told us it was self defense. But he was completely wrong. He either knew and he was lying, or didn't and made one of the worst mistakes in the history of the world. Whether it was a lie or a colossal blunder is the only question to which we still need an answer. But we know for 100% certainty that he was wrong. We were not being attacked, nor were we being threatened. But because Bush can't own up to being wrong, he's got the military trying to solve disputes that go back hundreds of years. However, the job of the military is protecting or attacking, not solving problems. The only thing that can solve disputes that are hundreds of years old is talking.

And all this "controversy" hasn't changed my opinion at all about Barack Obama. I personally think he is the best candidate in this race because I like his politics the best. And a big part of why I like Obama's politics is because I know he has worked hard for human rights. And I wouldn't be surprised if Reverend Wright inspired Obama to do a lot of what he did for human rights. I couldn't help feeling inspired by a lot of what I heard Wright say on your show. What I hate about these "controversies" is that they imply that we expect our politicians (of all people) to be perfect and say and do the right thing all the time. So they're all too scared to do or say what they really believe, to focus on what their jobs should be: Making sure all Americans have food, safety, healthcare, and a place to live. I feel confident that both Clinton and Obama entered politics because they truly believed that everyone has the right to those things. I personally believe that is the main difference between the left and the right. People on the left tend to feel that everyone should have food, safety, healthcare, and a place to live, and that people who need help should be helped. Interestingly, the founders of the US, and most religions agree with this view. People on the right tend to think that only those who are strong enough (or have the means) deserve to have these things. Of course I'm over-generalizing here, but I do see this as a defining difference. My personal opinion is that Obama has the best record and credentials in helping people who need help and in being against using violence for anything but self-defense, and is most likely to try solving problems (ours and other nations') through talking. But I originally liked Edwards the best, because I felt like he said all the things he believed in without trying to be perfect. And I feel that all the over-scrutinization that's been going on has made both Obama and Clinton into political machines. And the media seem to be doing the same thing. This bizarre, post-911, "bring 'em on," support-the-troops-by-keeping-them-in-Iraq patriotism seems to have made everyone too afraid to ask if we're really doing the right thing. Is the military really the right tool for helping the Iraqis--and their neighboring countries--solve their disputes? And maybe we do need to look at the kinds of things we've done to other people around the world when we're trying to figure out why people want to attack us.

I want to thank you for not joining the "throw Wright under a bus" bandwagon. I want to thank you for bringing some reasoned discussion and analysis to this issue. As a nation, we should be focusing on finding real solutions for the human rights abuses that are happening here, and using our power as a nation to bring people of other nations together to solve their disputes. And I don't care if Obama's former pastor has a "bombastic" rhetorical style. I'm voting for Obama because I think he is most likely to help this nation to re-focus on what is really important.

Pastors, pundits, and flag pins--OH MY!

I can hardly believe most of the posts here. I haven't seen people so indignant, so self-righteous, and so self-deluding since the Bush administration began drumming up support for the war back in 2003.

By the by, my favorite post thus far is the "civil war" argument, reminding me of the "we saved your a**es in WWII!" statements reserved by nationalists who weren't anywhere near WWII. Just for the record, it's myopic logic like yours that required an unbelievably costly war like the civil war to liberate the slaves.

So many scared bigots, who don't think they're bigots. So many scared folks who can't even read an article exploring why Wright said the things he did without accusing the author of "excusing" what he said. That's where we are these days--if it isn't a 24 hour op/ed piece, it's suddenly not "news". If an interview consists of someone guiding a conversation as opposed to conducting an interrogation, it's a "bad" interview.

I for one thank Moyers for, God forbid, interviewing Wright (who, for the record, I disagree with in a multitude of ways) without condemning him. I'd love to see him interview Hagee ("How are gays responsible for Katrina, exactly?", and for that matter, I wish he could've interviewed the pope ("Why does the catholic church hide pedophiliac priests from justice?"). I want to hear THEIR sides of their scandals, their hate rhetoric, and their justifications for inspiring paranoia among their congregations. I want to hear what THEY have to say about it, and what they have to say about the good they do for their congregations, more than I want to hear the interviewer condemn them. In this respect, Moyers has been brilliant in his dealings with 'ol Rev. Wright. I happen to think his follow-up statement was on the money as well.

I just watched the Hagee Video- I'm not outraged, I'M TERRIFIED!!
Why is his sociopathic Doctrine not being played on EVERY media Loop for Weeks, the topic on every show???
Hagee Presents far more of a Threat to US and the Rest of the World than Wright. And considering 'Public Servants' who support him (Leibermann, Mac...) his Terrorist doctrrine has far more ability to be carried out with Nukes then the Islamic extremeist with Box Cutters (they don't ahve an arsenal of Weapons/Nukes). Hillary's Proclaimation of her willingness to 'Obliterate Iran' baffled me- It doe not any more. I was foolish enough tot think she was merely a Covert Corp Operative willing to enslave mankind for Greed. Now I realize she was signaling she is fully iniatied into this 'End of Days' philosophy and will be a 'Warrior for God'and being Armegeddon. This doctrine is as twisted as Jim Jones et al, but has far more capability of actually coming to fruition. NOw I AM UTTERLY TERRIFIED!

I just watched the Hagee Video- I'm not outraged, I'M TERRIFIED!!
Why is his sociopathic Doctrine not being played on EVERY media Loop for Weeks, the topic on every show???
Hagee Presents far more of a Threat to US and the Rest of the World than Wright. And considering 'Public Servants' who support him (Leibermann, Mac...) his Terrorist doctrrine has far more ability to be carried out with Nukes then the Islamic extremeist with Box Cutters (they don't ahve an arsenal of Weapons/Nukes). Hillary's Proclaimation of her willingness to 'Obliterate Iran' baffled me- It doe not any more. I was foolish enough tot think she was merely a Covert Corp Operative willing to enslave mankind for Greed. Now I realize she was signaling she is fully iniatied into this 'End of Days' philosophy and will be a 'Warrior for God'and being Armegeddon. This doctrine is as twisted as Jim Jones et al, but has far more capability of actually coming to fruition. NOE I AM UTTERLY TERRIFIED!

For those of us enlightened by Moyers from his “World Of Ideas” series, to “Power Of Myth” with Joseph Campbell, it’s sad to see Moyers fall so hard, so fast. His struggle to justify Jeremy Wright’s venom (and we’ve seen the whole sermon now) shows Moyers to be no different than Rush Limbaugh in failing to apply critical reason if doing so refutes his dogma. Wright does what all good liars do, intermingles their flat-out lies or half-truths that may as well be, with truth we all know. We all know the crimes of Tuskegee, but that doesn’t make government creation of the AIDS epidemic directed at blacks true, or acceptable grounds for Wright’s charge. We all know the cavalier nature with which blacks were enslaved 150 years ago, and Natives were simply exterminated, but that does not put the bomb on Hiroshima in the same category, “Without bating an eye” as Wright claims. But Moyers won’t challenge Wright and already forgot what Shelby Steel taught him and the rest of us on Moyers’ program mere months ago. As eloquent as Moyers sometimes was in his defense of Wright, Moyers only served to descend to the ranks of conservative talk radio.

Having watched the first interview with rev Wright and then hearing his speech given a few days later-I'd have to say, you Bill Moyers, my Hero, were PUNKED...The person on your show speaking in that quiet soft voice was replaced with that disgusting ranting self serving person who gives ministers a bad name-he is not doing Gods work-he is doing his own work, I believe his bursting out of the closet NOW is a direct result of a publicity stunt to boost sales of his soon to be released book. Who is going to by the nice version of Rev. Wright-Were you not amazed at his difference in speech and content from your interview-to his speech later to ministers???Did it not cross your mind to question his motives in using you? the fact that you gave a follow up defense of him on your show friday nite was unbelievable to me. I have certainly lost some respect for you. Please regain your perspective and again give us some great unbiased stories

It's obvious why you've made a fortune playing a liberal on TV. You've got just the right unctously caring and sorrowful tone. But for those paying attention, you define yourself by how you actually use your power.

I don't know whether Barack Obama will survive your leading the pack in reviving the Jeremiah Wright story. I hope he will. But then he'll have you to revive it again at just the most damaging time. And you'll probably bring back your friend Shelby Steele for a third crack this election season at pitching his book defining Obama as a "Bound Man."

But to me, what you don't do with your power as top dog TV liberal is much more telling. As a Texan you know all about GWB's apparent perjury, obstruction of justice, and influence peddling at the heart of the lawsuit against him known as Funeralgate. Yet you went along with the NYT and the rest of the national media in suppressing it during the 2000 campaign and the first several months of his presidency while it was going through the normal discovery process before being secretly settled -- using taxpayer funds -- after 911. Had the public known about it, W wouldn't even have gotten the nomination, much the power of the presidency for 8 years to make war, loot, and pillage.

And now, unless I've missed it, you haven't done any stories about how McCain lied about his lobbying ties. Nor will you.

Instead, you'll smile sorrowly about the big bad corporate media and how "they" are cheating this nation.

Mr Moyer:

While I agree somewhat with some of the comments you make about race in our country the unfortunate thing is that you're only talking usually about one particular race. If you spoke about all of us then I might appreciate your wisdom more in depth. I'm Caucasian and Native American and I've never heard you talk about the racist ideology being perpetuated against these particular groups. You only talk about supposed African Americans. The lines of race become nebulous at best when you call Obama a black American. He mixed and calling him a black American is like referring to me as a Native American. 20% of children born in this country today are of mixed marriages or arrangements. It's one thing to talk of predjudice against one group, it seems more pertinent to put a proper perspective on what is real and what is many times a matter of conjecture and fantasy. To assume that black Americans are not prejudiced is folly and a ludicrous notion at best. I enjoy your show very much but your appraisal of relations in our country is being portrayed in a limited fashion. I understand though that you don't have time to be that inclusive in your thoughts always.

Mr Moyer:

While I agree somewhat with some of the comments you make about race in our country the unfortunate thing is that you're only talking usually about one particular race. If you spoke about all of us then I might appreciate your wisdom more in depth. I'm Caucasian and Native American and I've never heard you talk about the racist ideology being perpetuated against these particular groups. You only talk about supposed African Americans. The lines of race become nebulous at best when you call Obama a black American. He mixed and calling him a black American is like referring to me as a Native American. 20% of children born in this country today are of mixed marriages or arrangements. It's one thing to talk of predjudice against one group, it seems more pertinent to put a proper perspective on what is real and what is many times a matter of conjecture and fantasy. To assume that black Americans are not prejudiced is folly and a ludicrous notion at best. I enjoy your show very much but your appraisal of relations in our country is being portrayed in a limited fashion. I understand though that you don't have time to be that inclusive in your thoughts always.

620,000 people.

This country is the only country in modern or ancient history which fought a war to end slavery.

America is a participatory democracy and non-christian men often lead this country and its industries.
Those circumstances should not be used to distance any group of people or christians from the fact that if we participate if we struggle for the right we can change the country to the better.

That gift, the ability to change this country was twice given - by those who fought Revolutionary war, 25,324 killed and those who fought the Civil War,620,000 killed.

It takes the combined total of Americans killed in WI, WWII, Korea and Vietnam to pass the Civil War losses.

Maybe before that next fire filled, prophetic sermon fills the air, "we" should think on these things.




Dear Bill,

DEEPEST THANKS for your commentary last night re: Jeremiah Wright. What you said was so TRUE, DEEP, HONEST, and HISTORIC!

Wishing every person in the nation and the world could hear what you said, I have sent it to all my friends.

You are truly an amazing Southern White Guy.

Please know how much I appreciate your depth of knowledge and understanding of where Rev. Wright was coming from in his preaching.

THANK YOU! THANK YOU!!

Thank you Mr. Moyers for further clarification that you my friend are not a non-biased responsible journalist. It now is rather evident that you my friend have out lived your usefulness as a "marginal" commentator, perhaps you could return to the shameless promotion of Joseph Campbell's Myth's & Mysticism (Opiatic religious mumbo jumbo and general brainwashing for the common masses)? You have now officially turned PBS into the FOX network. I can only hope they keep you off of NPR. I have always supported and loved PBS because of the truly non-biased opinions. Due to this love I would not comment on last weeks obvious sympathetic caressing of Rev. Wright. Now however after your nine (9) minute (viewer paid for) uncalled for justification of the Rev Wright interview and subliminal bias toward anyone not supporting Rev. Wright's views I must chime in. I can only hope next week Mr Moyers will spend as much time and effort promoting Sen Clinton's campaign as his obvious desceptive promotion of Sen Obama's campaign this week. Good Night Bill and turn off the lights on your way out.

Congratulations Mr. Moyer for saying it so clearly and for PBS allowing you the time to do so. I see layers of complexity in your explanation: I watched the full and required 6+ minutes on YouTube; but at least one viewer gave up after a minute and 36 seconds - - - probably because he has accepted the concept that a sound bite is enough to summarize any complex issue. Equally disturbing is that your argument may simply be too complex for even those who listen to the entire segment - - - the viewer who condensed the essay into "not the rehashed issues from 400 years past". Like it or not, this is representative of the electorate of the country we live in; and probably a majority of those voters.
I will make one subtle distinction that you sort of gloss over. You equate Wright with Robertson and his ilk; and you are perfectly correct in doing so and in your conclusion that white preachers are given a pass in allowable political rhetoric - - - that a Black man is being judged far more harshly then his white counterparts. There is a distinction, however, when trying to compare McCain's embarrassing and unabashed solicitation of right wing evangelical support and Obama's involvement in the very congregation from which the comments originated. McCain can fairly be accused of pandering and even passively endorsing the reprehensible comments made by the white ministers. Obama will be, and has to be seen as more directly involved. I can understand why he befriended Wright, why he joined and remained a member of the church, how he could (and probably still can) put the minister's comments into context and proportion. But a wise political decision, when first establishing himself as a liberal member of the black community in Chicago, may prove disadvantageous in a National Campaign. Those who are informed and can remain objective will understand this lapse in judgment (but it still must be seen as a lapse in judgment), and those who are neither, will be reminded by Republican replays of the sound bites. And, we can count on a repetition of Michelle Obama's questionable statements about lack of pride in being an American that will also attract significant, if short-span and unsophisticated, attention.
I do not believe that there is anything unique about an American public that relies on simplicity before complexity, but there is something very ugly going on when this same populace accepts vitriol before seeking out optimism. I think that there are very complex reasons as to why this country has lost its bearings: a system of justice that is patently unfair, a culture of entitlement that is unreasonable, amongst them. Of course, this is essentially what the entire campaign has been about. Obama wants to establish a dialogue, Clinton wants to play to all the old (and probably current) prejudices, and McCain is basically clueless (walk 30 minutes a day, watch your diet, and find your own health plan). I think we have seen a glimpse of how willing America is willing to engage in debate when the "other side" is represented by Reverend Wright. Too many Americans live in a country and a world where it's all about "us" and "them" rather than simply "us".

Dear Mr. Moyers:
In reference to the Rev. Wright situation and the negative pouncing from the media, you’re mentioning MNSBC, and other media on your program was so vital to our National Morality.
From the moment I heard your interviews with Joseph Campbell, which has influenced my life greatly; I follow your programs and am truly grateful you are a voice for many and me.
You in so many words and programs express the importance of “Virtue”, which grounds the human in moral behavior. I am not a researcher or scholar, but know the great philosopher, leaders, journalists, politicians and theologians who are humanitarian go to “virtue” a source for guidance. Jesus embraced all of mankind, which defines him as great of all humanitarian. Jesus, so often misunderstood, was the greatest model a virtuous life.
Not to equate suffering with virtue, but to point out how the human needs to destroy the good in nature. To point out how we need to “take down what is good”?
Mr. Moyers, why? What is this “destroyer factor” in the human that “good” cannot rise?
Mary Ann Greco

Bill Moyers you are my hero!!! You are the voice of reason and sanity amidst all the political operatives, rabble rousers and self aggrandizers. Your opening comments were right on point! The media took hold of this story and ran with it and everyone jumped on their moral high horse without examining the facts or having ANY knowledge of history and viewing these events through their limited experiences. Your southern background gives you an insight that most wouldn't have or at least acknowledge and the collective amnesia that this country exhibits allows them to engage in a feeding frenzy and painting someone guilty by association. I appreciate your show and your thoughtful rational observations while avoiding the typical histrionics.

Thank you Thank you Thank you Mr. Moyers for further proof that you my friend, are not a non biased responsible reporter. I have always supported and loved PBS because of the truly non-biased opinions. Due to this love I would not comment on last weeks obvious sympathetic caressing of Rev. Wright. Now however after Mr. Moyers nine (9) minute (viewer paid for) uncalled for justification of the Rev Wright interview and subliminal bias toward anyone not supporting Rev. Wright's views I must chime in. I can only hope next week Mr Moyers will spend as much time and effort promoting Sen Clinton's campaign as his obvious desceptive promotion of Sen Obama's campaign this week. You my friend have out lived your usefulness as a marginal commentator, Good Night Bill and turn off the lights on your way out

Thank you
James Jones
Senior Manager, Customer Service Programs

Thank you thank you thank you Mr. Moyers. Your comments at the beginning of your program (May 2, 2008) dealing with the 2000 responses on the Controversy of Rev. Wright, your program. You hit it on the nail. I was so happy to hear everything you said. That speech to all of us should be written down and passed around for all to read on a daily basis. as a mantra. We need to hear the truth and really look into our minds and hearts about judging without really looking at all value systems. Thank you Mr. Moyers. I am wanting more of your insightful thoughts. Mary Helen Moore

Mr. Moyers thank you very much for the program on Rev. Wright. At the beginning of the controversy I was not sure about Rev. Wright but during and after your program I felt good about who and what Rev. Wright is. He had some important issues to address. I think many persons do not know about American Black preaching and how they address the everyday issues. I thank you for providing me with a better understanding of Rev. Wright through your program. I am just sorry about how so many people have not understood or accepted who Rev. Wright is. Mary Helen Moore

Mr. Moyers thank you for having Rev. Wright on your program. When the controversy surfaced

Thank you, thank you, thank you for your direct response to the furor over Jeremiah Wright. Your insightful analysis of the conflict between race, religion, politics, and hypocrisy of us all should be the starting point for further discussions in an effort to understand ourselves and each other.

Thank you for phrasing the issues succinctly and in such a way that I was able to determine the source of my anger and irritation at the continued superficial coverage of these issues by headline and soundbite.

Dear Mr. Moyers,

Thank you for your response to the comments since the Rev. Wright interview - they were clear-eyed and insiteful. I agree with Margaret Randall's assessment in her post.

There seems to be a huge fixation on the Aids issue and what I got from your commentary is that, while not validating or dismissing the conspiracy question, you allowed that, in view of such as the Tuskeegee experiments, it is understandable how a people would consider such a thing. This idea seems to just freak some people out, that our government would willingly subject us to something dangerous or even lethal and cover it up or lie about it.

Let me remind you all that our government has done just that, and has been racially inclusive about it, as well. In 1951 and over the next 12 years, 126 atomic bombs were detonated into the atmosphere at the Nevada test site. Radiation spred over the entire country. Radiation injured workers and infantrymen at the site, and beyond the site killed or burned sheep, horses and cattle, and caused men, women, and children to die of cancer, and caused severe birth defects, as well. For 30 years the American nuclear weapons industry waged a secret medical and scientific struggle to cover up the contamination of vast amounts of North America. The truth began to emerge in 1978 when Pres. Jimmy Carter ordered the Atomic Energy Commission's operational records to be made public.

It can't happen HERE, not to US...

One more comment, in response to Charles Brown, who asserts there is no involvement in all this by corporate media - Rev. Wright's church recorded the sermons, as many churches do, but it was the corporate media that endlessly played the selective clips from those sermons, in no sort of context other thans its own spin. According to one count I read of, these bytes were played more than 3,000 times on TV over the following 30 days and in fact the count was given up at 3,000, so it was likely much more. Meanwhile, important issues regarding policies and civil liberties, like the Yoo memo regarding torture that came out in the same period, where played in the tens and hundreds of times according to this count.

Thanks again, Bill. Fight the good fight.

Mr. Moyers, I was an Obama supporter until this situation unfolded on the public stage. Surely this current generation still places some value in loyalty to long time relationships, especially those that involve their faith. Obama could have ended all this early on by supporting his religious mentor’s right to have an opinion, or is that another right that has been taken out of the Constitution ? Once again, the political wranglers in the Democrat party and the Main Stream Media have sided with a vigilante mentality that feeds the ongoing division in this country.

Reverend Wright expressed opinions that had previously been put forth by a large segment of Americans from both political extremes. For example, the sixty year history of the CIA is that of clandestine intervention in the affairs of foreign countries and the agency has long been aware of the Chickens-Coming-Home-To-Roost scenario which it calls Blowback. The policies of the World Bank, United Nations, and other U.S. backed international organizations, have resulted in economic oppression, starvation, and millions of deaths in various third world countries; hardly what FDR and his supporters envisioned 65 years ago.

Professor Noam Chomsky was recently asked about the harsh response from our politico when this subject of the ultimate foreign retaliation was discussed and his paraphrased reply was, ‘If you want to draw the full unbridled wrath of the establishment, turn the mirror toward them !’.

Mr. Moyers,
Thank you for being, as always, the voice of truth and illumination.

Everyone should send this transcript to every media outlet and demand this kind of journalistic integrity. If we are at sea in a fog of deception and the politics of personal destruction, we are partly to blame for allowing it to go on unchallenged.

Why can't Kathleen Hall Jamieson run for president?...She undoubtedly has the 'common sense' that seems so lacking in everyone that's come to the plate...Regardless, I'm glad to hear her comments concerning this matter, as well as any other...What a level-headed, cut-thru-the-crap persona...She's got my vote.

As far as Barack goes...he's shown (more than anything else), that he's another wealthy politician that will say what 'his team' feels necessary to get your vote...The reverend wright mess (as an example) Barack makes the comment that 'it happened to him'...This isn't anything that 'happened to him' at all, but a part of the truth as to 'who' he is and good or bad, it's just that: part of the truth. Instead, he takes the 'victim mentality' way out and in my mind it reinforces what I had suspected about his tactics...He'll say what he needs to, what 'the team' thinks the voters want to hear...One week, reverend wright has the same importance as the grandmother who raised him and the next week he's dupped barack for over 20 years...So which is it?...Who's confused?...Him?...I know I am. I also think 'the job' is too big for him. The Washington machine will continue as business as usual and Barack DOES NOT have (the necessary) experience...
On the other hand we have Hillary...she's been put through the ringer and come out basically 'unscathed', proof that she's tough-enough (and then some) for 'the machine'...At no other time in history (aside from WW2) has the US needed tried and true experience...When President Clinton took office, he inherited the screwey bush politics and our highest deficit ever (at the time) and he turned it around...America was doing quite well...Even the 'forgotten middle-class and our poor' had a voice...The alternative (McCain is an insane idea)...Any other choice, other than the Clintons, is too great a chance at this critical time in history...We NEED the experience or I'm afraid we're all headed to hell in a lead-painted, chinese-made plastic handbasket...I hope America is smart enough to put Hillary in office and lets get this country back on the track to recovery after the worst leadership (or lack of) ever...

Bill Moyers' editorial of May 2nd was one of the finest assessments of morality and US politics I have heard. It should be must listening for everyone in this country. One just doesn't get that depth and complexity anywhere else. Thank you!

Mr. Moyers,

Thank you.

T

Thank You Mr. Moyers for the interview with Rev. Wright as well as your follow up
commentary of the Corporate Media response. I appreciated all the media time that
was given to Rev. Wright because it allowed me to hear him speak directly. I found
his remarks and assessments to be honest and courageous. He clearly spoke from a
foundation of his study, practice and understanding of Liberation Theology. Your
interview of Rev. Wright was valuable for me in that it illuminated the subject of
Liberation Theology and it's function in the American Black Community. I am a caucasian
naturalized citizen. I have never been to a Black Church. I found Rev. Wright to be an unapologetic free thinker. Following your interview I took the time to read and watch Rev. Wright's subsequent two presentations. I learned much from both.

What continues to amaze me is the characterization of Rev. Wright's responses to the press as being outlandish or inappropriate. Given the context, the questions presented by the press to Rev. Wright were down right insulting and mocking of his intelligence. As a viewer
I felt insulted by the hollow baiting of the questions. I applauded Rev. Wrights retorts to the press. He responded to each question for what it was worth and he made no apology about it. Rev. Wright, from my perspective, refused to be the "polite" man who would let himself be punched down. I saw him refuse to be intimidated by the press. I saw him let his
Blackness (being different not deficient) dance and I loved it. He exposed them and they did not like it. So they went after him.

In my opinion it is a shame that Barack Obama chose to participate in the Wright bashing that followed. The three appearances by Rev. Wright offered an opportunity for our political discussion to go deeper and broader and for once move beyond corporate media as well as party control. Many of the issues that Rev. Wright spoke to in each of his appearances were not shocking to me - but I did recognize that these subjects are not accorded a forum in our national media. There is an unspoken censorship surrounding an open discussion of these issues.

As to the Aids remarks - I heard Rev. Wright refer to several authors works that he was basing his statement on. We do know that our government in the past has willingly and knowingly exposed without forewarning our military to harmful levels of radiation in our testing of nuclear weapons. This is a well documented fact. Our government was involved in the production of biological weapons. Were was the testing for these weapons done? Does anyone know? What I heard Rev. Wright say (in his vernacular), is that some of our government's policies abroad and at home have created harmful and dangerous consequences for us and that we as citizens have a responsibility to hold our government accountable for it's abuses of power. We as citizens have a responsibility to monitor our government. Freedom without Responsibility breeds tyranny.

It is time for us to recognize and name the elephant in the room: "who is defining for us which Blackness is safe and how much Blackness is safe." Rev. Wright pulled the rug of this elephant and the media pundits lost control.

I hope that you will afford us another interview with Rev. Wright before the November election. Rev. Wright appears to be a man who is not afraid to be wrong in his pursuit of what he believes to be right. Many blessings to him!

Respectfully,
Anasko


If you accept that Rev. Wright--and, indeed, Bill Moyers, according to his May 2 commentary--are correct when they assert that the AIDS virus may have been visited upon black people because of the history of the Tuskegee experiments, then one must:
assume that all Japanese Americans who were sadly arcerated during the war assume that their imprisonment must be imminent today;
that Jews must blame all colleges today because at one time there was a quota system against Jews;
that all Irish must suspect employment discrimination because of the want-ads that said, "No Irish need apply"...well, you get the idea.
Yesterday's history is not necessarily a bellweather of today's truths. Rev. Wright,I would think, would do better to spend his time working on the unmet needs of African Americans, particularly the youth, and by extension, to the election of the first African-American who can wield the ultimate power to improve the way blacks, whites, Latinos, Asians--live. Orwould that put Rev. Wright out of a job?

After following Rev Wright's escapades over the past two or three weeks, watching and reading all the media coverage of the whole business; after reading the many responses and opinions on this suject, and finally, after listening to most of Jamieson's comments on the candidates, the campaign, etc., I despair. Friedrich Nietzsche was correct: History is the eternal recurrence of the same thing [der ewige Wiederkehr des Gleichen]. It is enough to make one cycnical.

Mr. Moyers in his commentary tonight said very definitively that all the furor over Reverend Wright's appearances was all about race. I do not agree. I think it is about religion and politics, church and state. On another forum I said that had such appearances transpired after John Kennedy made his speech about his Catholic faith - had a representative of his family church spoken as Reverend Wright did in public on contraversial issues - whatever they might be - casting blame upon a segment of the American population, or America itself in general - I think we would have the same difficulties as we have been trying to deal with since last week's interview. It's too easy to say that the problem is race, that different standards are applied to white preachers, so there is indeed this inherent division we all ought to recognize. I don't believe this is so. I think we have been sensitized to the misuse of religion by the far right, and I for one am very glad that Barack Obama steps away from any suggestion that this could also be happening on the left.

It has nothing to do with race.

I really don't need to wonder why some folks in this country think racism is a figment of African Americans overactive imagination. These same folks don't even know the definition of the word. They think that if the Indians, and the African Americans have a suspicious nature, then they are just living in the past, never mind the absurdity of that observation since we all reach conclusions based on our past experiences. If a belief in a HIV conspiracy exists it's because of, right or wrong, past experiences. History, real history, has countless stories of the mass killings and unwarranted murders of Indians and Africans alike. Even today, in 2008, there are still those in America who would deny me the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, simply because I'm an African American. They are far less numerous now than in the past, but even a few hundred thousand is still too many. Rev. Wright is not talking like a fanatic, indeed, the fanatics are after him. The hatred that Americans are feeling from other countries is the same hatred African Americans have felt here at home. Ain't nothing worse than being hated in your own home. There are a lot of comments posted in this and many other blogs that don't appear to be based in sound logic. What has my thoughts, Rev. Wright's thoughts, or even the Grand Pubah's thoughts got to do with Obama? What are his positions on the issues in the campaign? Concentrate on that because, even though you may not like what the Reverend said, there's a still a lot of folks out there that bear watching and those that say racism is through bear the most watching.

What a whining, befuddled, useless commentary from Bill Moyers as a follow up to the Wright "interview."

Moyers didn't say why he failed, in his chance to interview Wright, to ask about the AIDS "conspiracy." We are left to the presumption that such a question was not asked because it did not fit in with Moyers' greater goal, which was not to pursue truth, explanations, or clarity. Moyers' true goal was to try to sell America on Wright, and, by extension, Obama.

In the end, the Moyers interview of Wright will go down in journalism history as one of the great, glaring, non-interviews of all time.
This episode becomes the touchstone of the Moyers career in using the nation's public broadcasting network for the slanted, soft-leftist preachings of Moyers himself.

How disappointed I am in your response to Rev. Wright.
He spoke more truth than all three candidates. I heard no racism. i heard only the disgust for the same policies that I share. As a white Catholic Republican, I find more credibility in Wright than in Bill Moyers. Like Tuskegee, the truth about AIDS is hard to take. Still, I believe Wright closer to the truth that you cannot handle. Whose side are you on?

Mr. Jones,

I don't believe congressman Conyers' record says anything about the government (CIA) creating viruses. It only addresses the issue that the CIA, during the Iran Contra affair, did supply drugs to the USA. This is an issue that blacks are particularly peeved about.

However, if you are interested in genome specific weapons of mass destruction, you will find the neo-con "Rebuilding America's Defenses" a good read. You may find it on William Kristol's website http://www.newamericancentury.org/.

The Wright connection of Aids and the US government is probably not as believable as this unabashed neocon call for genome specific biological weapons appearing on the neocon website. All the other neocon goals mentioned in this document have pretty much been implemented by the Bush administration.

The question is can we really continue our Imperial Hegemony with the mounting debt? The dollar is declining. If it falls from grace, we face hyper-inflation due to need to reduce debt. This says nothing about moral considerations.

In defense of Rev. Wright

PUBLIC LAW 106–398—OCT. 30, 2000

NATIONAL DEFENSE AUTHORIZATION,
FISCAL YEAR 2001

See pages 119 ff for a description of what the government knew about the attacks on Pearl Harbor. These writers are convinced that the commanders at Pearl Harbor were wrongly accused of negligence, since the government knew an attack by Japan was imminent.

So based on the below data we are to believe the CIA created the AIDS virus and further justify Rev Wrights spewing of venum? eh hem, That was your intent? Thank you for the insightful information ;-)

Information concerning Rev. Wright

Congressional Record May 7, 1998
Entered by John Conyers

A Tangled Web: A History of CIA Complicity in Drug International
Trafficking


WORLD WAR II

The Office of Strategic Services (OSS) and the Office of
Naval Intelligence (ONI), the CIA's parent and sister
organizations, cultivate relations with the leaders of the
Italian Mafia, recruiting heavily from the New York and
Chicago underworlds, whose members, including Charles
``Lucky'' Luciano, Meyer Lansky, Joe Adonis, and Frank
Costello, help the agencies keep in touch with Sicilian Mafia
leaders exiled by Italian dictator Benito Mussolini.
Domestically, the aim is to prevent sabotage on East Coast
ports, while in Italy the goal is to gain intelligence on
Sicily prior to the allied invasions and to suppress the
burgeoning Italian Communist Party. Imprisoned in New York,
Luciano earns a pardon for his wartime service and is
deported to Italy, where he proceeds to build his heroin
empire, first by diverting supplies from the legal market,
before developing connections in Lebanon and Turkey that
supply morphine base to labs in Sicily. The OSS and ONI also
work closely with Chinese gangsters who control vast supplies
of opium, morphine and heroin, helping to establish the third
pillar of the post-world War II heroin trade in the Golden
Triangle, the border region of Thailand, Burma, Laos and
China's Yunnan Province.


1947

In its first year of existence, the CIA continues U.S.
intelligence community's anti-communist drive. Agency
operatives help the Mafia seize total power in Sicily and it
sends money to heroin-smuggling Corsican mobsters in
Marseille to assist in their battle with Communist unions for
control of the city's docks. By 1951, Luciano and the
Corsicans have pooled their resources, giving rise to the
notorious ``French Connection'' which would dominate the
world heroin trade until the early 1970s. The CIA also
recruits members of organized crime gangs in Japan to help
ensure that the country stays in the non-communist world.
Several years later, the Japanese Yakuza emerges as a major
source of methamphetamine in Hawaii.


1949

Chinese Communist revolution causes collapse of drug empire
allied with U.S. intelligence community, but a new one
quickly emerges under the command of Nationalist (KMT)
General Li Mi, who flees Yunnan into eastern Burma. Seeking
to rekindle anticommunist resistance in China, the CIA
provides arms, ammunition and other supplies to the KMT.
After being repelled from China with heavy losses, the KMT
settles down with local population and organizes and expands
the opium trade from Burma and Northern Thailand. By 1972,
the KMT controls 80 percent of the Golden Triangle's opium
trade.


1950

The CIA launches Project Bluebird to determine whether
certain drugs might improve its interrogation methods. This
eventually leads CIA head Allen Dulles, in April 1953, to
institute a program for ``covert use of biological and
chemical materials'' as part of the agency's continuing
efforts to control behavior. With benign names such as
Project Artichoke and Project Chatter, these projects
continue through the 1960s, with hundreds of unwitting test
subjects given various drugs, including LSD.


1960

In support of the U.S. war in Vietnam, the CIA renews old
and cultivates new relations with Laotian, Burmese and Thai
drug merchants, as well as corrupt military and political
leaders in Southeast Asia. Despite the dramatic rise of
heroin production, the agency's relations with these figures
attracts little attention until the early 1970s.


1967

Manuel Antonio Noriega goes on the CIA payroll. First
recruited by the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency in 1959,
Noriega becomes an invaluable asset for the CIA when he takes
charge of Panama's intelligence service after the 1968
military coup, providing services for U.S. covert operations
and facilitating the use of Panama as the center of U.S.
intelligence gathering in Latin America. In 1976, CIA
Director George Bush pays Noriega $110,000 for his services,
even though as early as 1971 U.S. officials agents had
evidence that he was deeply involved in drug trafficking.
Although the Carter administration suspends payments to
Noriega, he returns to the U.S. payroll when President Reagan
takes office in 1981. The general is rewarded handsomely for
his services in support of Contras forces in Nicaragua during
the 1980s, collecting $200,000 from the CIA in 1986 alone.


May 1970

A Christian Science Monitor correspondent reports that the
CIA ``is cognizant of, if not party to, the extensive
movement of opium out of Laos,'' quoting one charter pilot
who claims that ``opium shipments get special CIA clearance
and monitoring on their flights southward out of the
country.'' At the time, some 30,000 U.S. service men in
Vietnam are addicted to heroin.


1972

The full story of how Cold War politics and U.S. covert
operations fueled a heroin boom in the Golden Triangle breaks
when Yale University doctoral student Alfred McCoy publishes
his ground-breaking study, The Politics of Heroin in
Southeast Asia. The CIA attempts to quash the book.


1973

Thai national Puttapron Khramkhruan is arrested in
connection with the seizure of 59 pounds of opium in Chicago.
A CIA informant on narcotics trafficking in northern
Thailand, he claims that agency had full knowledge of his
actions. According to the U.S. Justice Department, the CIA
quashed the case because it may ``prove embarrassing
because of Mr. Khramkhruans's involvement with CIA
activities in Thailand, Burma, and elsewhere.''


June 1975

Mexican police, assisted by U.S. drug agents, arrest
Alberto Sicilia Falcon, whose Tijuana-based operation was
reportedly generating $3.6 million a week from the sale of
cocaine and marijuana in the United States. The Cuban exile
claims he was a CIA protege, trained as part of the agency's
anti-Castro efforts, and in exchange for his help in moving
weapons to certain groups in Central America, the CIA
facilitated his movement of drugs. In 1974, Sicilia's top
aide, Jose Egozi, a CIA-trained intelligence officer and Bay
of Pigs veteran, reportedly lined up agency support for a
right-wing plot to overthrow the Portuguese government. Among
the top Mexican politicians, law enforcement and intelligence
officials from whom Sicilia enjoyed support was Miguel Nazar
Haro, head of the Direccion Federal de Seguridad (DFS), who
the CIA admits was its ``most important source in Mexico and
Central America.'' When Nazar was linked to a multi-million-
dollar stolen car ring several years later, the CIA
intervenes to prevent his indictment in the United States.


April 1978

Soviet-backed coup in Afghanistan sets stage for explosive
growth in Southwest Asian heroin trade. New Marxist regime
undertakes vigorous anti-narcotics campaign aimed at
suppressing poppy production, triggering a revolt by semi-
autonomous tribal groups that traditionally raised opium for
export. The CIA-supported rebel Mujahedeen begins expanding
production to finance their insurgency. Between 1982 and
1989, during which time the CIA ships billions of dollars

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in weapons and other aid to guerrilla forces, annual opium
production in Afghanistan increases to about 800 tons from
250 tons. By 1986, the State Department admits that
Afghanistan is ``probably the world's largest producer of
opium for export'' and ``the poppy source for a majority of
the Southwest Asian heroin found in the United States.'' U.S.
officials, however, fail to take action to curb production.
Their silence not only serves to maintain public support for
the Mujahedeen, it also smooths relations with Pakistan,
whose leaders, deeply implicated in the heroin trade, help
channel CIA support to the Afghan rebels.


June 1980

Despite advance knowledge, the CIA fails to halt members of
the Bolivian militaries, aide by the Argentine counterparts,
from staging the so-called ``Cocaine Coup,'' according to
former DEA agent Michael Levine. In fact, the 25-year DEA
veteran maintains the agency actively abetted cocaine
trafficking in Bolivia, where government official who sought
to combat traffickers faced ``torture and death at the hands
of CIA-sponsored paramilitary terrorists under the command of
fugitive Nazi war criminal (also protected by the CIA) Klaus
Barbie.


february 1985

DEA agent Enrique ``Kiki'' Camerena is kidnapped and murder
in Mexico. DEA, FBI and U.S. Customs Service investigators
accuse the CIA of stonewalling during their investigation.
U.S. authorities claim the CIA is more interested in
protecting its assets, including top drug trafficker and
kidnapping principal Miguel Angel Felix Gallardo. (In 1982,
the DEA learned that Felix Gallardo was moving $20 million a
month through a single Bank of America account, but it could
not get the CIA to cooperate with its investigation.) Felix
Gallardo's main partner is Honduran drug lord Juan Ramon
Matta Ballesteros, who began amassing his $2-billion fortune
as a cocaine supplier to Alberto Sicilia Falcon. (see June
1985) Matta's air transport firm, SETCO, receives $186,000
from the U.S. State Department to fly ``humanitarian
supplies'' to the Nicaraguan Contras from 1983 to 1985.
Accusations that the CIA protected some of Mexico's leading
drug traffickers in exchange for their financial support of
the Contras are leveled by government witnesses at the trials
of Camarena's accused killers.


january 1988

Deciding that he has outlived his usefulness to the Contra
cause, the Reagan Administration approves an indictment of
Noriega on drug charges. By this time, U.S. Senate
investigators had found that ``the United States had received
substantial information about criminal involvement of top
Panamanian officials for nearly twenty years and done little
to respond.''


april 1989

The Senate Subcommittee on Terrorism, Narcotics and
International Communications, headed by Sen. John Kerry of
Massachusetts, issues its 1,166-page report on drug
corruption in Central America and the Caribbean. The
subcommittee found that ``there was substantial evidence of
drug smuggling through the war zone on the part of
individuals Contras, Contra suppliers, Contra pilots,
mercenaries who worked with the Contras supporters throughout
the region.'' U.S. officials, the subcommittee said, ``failed
to address the drug issue for fear of jeopardizing the war
efforts against Nicaragua.'' The investigation also reveals
that some ``senior policy makers'' believed that the use of
drug money was ``a perfect solution to the Contras' funding
problems.''


january 1993

Honduran businessman Eugenio Molina Osorio is arrested in
Lubbock Texas for supplying $90,000 worth of cocaine to DEA
agents. Molina told judge he is working for CIA to whom he
provides political intelligence. Shortly after, a letter from
CIA headquarters is sent to the judge, and the case is
dismissed. ``I guess we're all aware that they [the CIA] do
business in a different way than everybody else,'' the judge
notes. Molina later admits his drug involvement was not a CIA
operation, explaining that the agency protected him because
of his value as a source for political intelligence in
Honduras.


november 1996

Former head of the Venezuelan National Guard and CIA
operative Gen. Ramon Gullien Davila is indicted in Miami on
charges of smuggling as much as 22 tons of cocaine into the
United States. More than a ton of cocaine was shipped into
the country with the CIA's approval as part of an undercover
program aimed at catching drug smugglers, an operation kept
secret from other U.S. agencies.
Mr. DICKS. Mr. Chairman, I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. GOSS. Mr. Chairman, I yield back the balance of my time.
The CHAIRMAN. All time for general debate has expired.
Pursuant to the rule, the amendment in the nature of a substitute
printed in the bill, modified by striking section 401 and redesignating
the succeeding sections, shall be considered as an original bill for
the purpose of amendment under the 5-minute rule. Consideration shall
proceed by title, and each title shall be considered read.
No amendment to the committee amendment is in order unless printed in
the Congressional Record. Those amendments shall be considered read.
The Chairman of the Committee of the Whole may postpone until a time
during further consideration in the Committee of the Whole a request
for a recorded vote on any amendment, and may reduce to not less than 5
minutes the time for voting by electronic device on any postponed
question that immediately follows another vote by electronic device,
without intervening business, provided that the time for voting
by electronic device on the first in any series of questions shall not
be less than 15 minutes.

Information concerning Rev. Wright

Congressional Record May 7, 1998
Entered by John Conyers

A Tangled Web: A History of CIA Complicity in Drug International
Trafficking


WORLD WAR II

The Office of Strategic Services (OSS) and the Office of
Naval Intelligence (ONI), the CIA's parent and sister
organizations, cultivate relations with the leaders of the
Italian Mafia, recruiting heavily from the New York and
Chicago underworlds, whose members, including Charles
``Lucky'' Luciano, Meyer Lansky, Joe Adonis, and Frank
Costello, help the agencies keep in touch with Sicilian Mafia
leaders exiled by Italian dictator Benito Mussolini.
Domestically, the aim is to prevent sabotage on East Coast
ports, while in Italy the goal is to gain intelligence on
Sicily prior to the allied invasions and to suppress the
burgeoning Italian Communist Party. Imprisoned in New York,
Luciano earns a pardon for his wartime service and is
deported to Italy, where he proceeds to build his heroin
empire, first by diverting supplies from the legal market,
before developing connections in Lebanon and Turkey that
supply morphine base to labs in Sicily. The OSS and ONI also
work closely with Chinese gangsters who control vast supplies
of opium, morphine and heroin, helping to establish the third
pillar of the post-world War II heroin trade in the Golden
Triangle, the border region of Thailand, Burma, Laos and
China's Yunnan Province.


1947

In its first year of existence, the CIA continues U.S.
intelligence community's anti-communist drive. Agency
operatives help the Mafia seize total power in Sicily and it
sends money to heroin-smuggling Corsican mobsters in
Marseille to assist in their battle with Communist unions for
control of the city's docks. By 1951, Luciano and the
Corsicans have pooled their resources, giving rise to the
notorious ``French Connection'' which would dominate the
world heroin trade until the early 1970s. The CIA also
recruits members of organized crime gangs in Japan to help
ensure that the country stays in the non-communist world.
Several years later, the Japanese Yakuza emerges as a major
source of methamphetamine in Hawaii.


1949

Chinese Communist revolution causes collapse of drug empire
allied with U.S. intelligence community, but a new one
quickly emerges under the command of Nationalist (KMT)
General Li Mi, who flees Yunnan into eastern Burma. Seeking
to rekindle anticommunist resistance in China, the CIA
provides arms, ammunition and other supplies to the KMT.
After being repelled from China with heavy losses, the KMT
settles down with local population and organizes and expands
the opium trade from Burma and Northern Thailand. By 1972,
the KMT controls 80 percent of the Golden Triangle's opium
trade.


1950

The CIA launches Project Bluebird to determine whether
certain drugs might improve its interrogation methods. This
eventually leads CIA head Allen Dulles, in April 1953, to
institute a program for ``covert use of biological and
chemical materials'' as part of the agency's continuing
efforts to control behavior. With benign names such as
Project Artichoke and Project Chatter, these projects
continue through the 1960s, with hundreds of unwitting test
subjects given various drugs, including LSD.


1960

In support of the U.S. war in Vietnam, the CIA renews old
and cultivates new relations with Laotian, Burmese and Thai
drug merchants, as well as corrupt military and political
leaders in Southeast Asia. Despite the dramatic rise of
heroin production, the agency's relations with these figures
attracts little attention until the early 1970s.


1967

Manuel Antonio Noriega goes on the CIA payroll. First
recruited by the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency in 1959,
Noriega becomes an invaluable asset for the CIA when he takes
charge of Panama's intelligence service after the 1968
military coup, providing services for U.S. covert operations
and facilitating the use of Panama as the center of U.S.
intelligence gathering in Latin America. In 1976, CIA
Director George Bush pays Noriega $110,000 for his services,
even though as early as 1971 U.S. officials agents had
evidence that he was deeply involved in drug trafficking.
Although the Carter administration suspends payments to
Noriega, he returns to the U.S. payroll when President Reagan
takes office in 1981. The general is rewarded handsomely for
his services in support of Contras forces in Nicaragua during
the 1980s, collecting $200,000 from the CIA in 1986 alone.


May 1970

A Christian Science Monitor correspondent reports that the
CIA ``is cognizant of, if not party to, the extensive
movement of opium out of Laos,'' quoting one charter pilot
who claims that ``opium shipments get special CIA clearance
and monitoring on their flights southward out of the
country.'' At the time, some 30,000 U.S. service men in
Vietnam are addicted to heroin.


1972

The full story of how Cold War politics and U.S. covert
operations fueled a heroin boom in the Golden Triangle breaks
when Yale University doctoral student Alfred McCoy publishes
his ground-breaking study, The Politics of Heroin in
Southeast Asia. The CIA attempts to quash the book.


1973

Thai national Puttapron Khramkhruan is arrested in
connection with the seizure of 59 pounds of opium in Chicago.
A CIA informant on narcotics trafficking in northern
Thailand, he claims that agency had full knowledge of his
actions. According to the U.S. Justice Department, the CIA
quashed the case because it may ``prove embarrassing
because of Mr. Khramkhruans's involvement with CIA
activities in Thailand, Burma, and elsewhere.''


June 1975

Mexican police, assisted by U.S. drug agents, arrest
Alberto Sicilia Falcon, whose Tijuana-based operation was
reportedly generating $3.6 million a week from the sale of
cocaine and marijuana in the United States. The Cuban exile
claims he was a CIA protege, trained as part of the agency's
anti-Castro efforts, and in exchange for his help in moving
weapons to certain groups in Central America, the CIA
facilitated his movement of drugs. In 1974, Sicilia's top
aide, Jose Egozi, a CIA-trained intelligence officer and Bay
of Pigs veteran, reportedly lined up agency support for a
right-wing plot to overthrow the Portuguese government. Among
the top Mexican politicians, law enforcement and intelligence
officials from whom Sicilia enjoyed support was Miguel Nazar
Haro, head of the Direccion Federal de Seguridad (DFS), who
the CIA admits was its ``most important source in Mexico and
Central America.'' When Nazar was linked to a multi-million-
dollar stolen car ring several years later, the CIA
intervenes to prevent his indictment in the United States.


April 1978

Soviet-backed coup in Afghanistan sets stage for explosive
growth in Southwest Asian heroin trade. New Marxist regime
undertakes vigorous anti-narcotics campaign aimed at
suppressing poppy production, triggering a revolt by semi-
autonomous tribal groups that traditionally raised opium for
export. The CIA-supported rebel Mujahedeen begins expanding
production to finance their insurgency. Between 1982 and
1989, during which time the CIA ships billions of dollars

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in weapons and other aid to guerrilla forces, annual opium
production in Afghanistan increases to about 800 tons from
250 tons. By 1986, the State Department admits that
Afghanistan is ``probably the world's largest producer of
opium for export'' and ``the poppy source for a majority of
the Southwest Asian heroin found in the United States.'' U.S.
officials, however, fail to take action to curb production.
Their silence not only serves to maintain public support for
the Mujahedeen, it also smooths relations with Pakistan,
whose leaders, deeply implicated in the heroin trade, help
channel CIA support to the Afghan rebels.


June 1980

Despite advance knowledge, the CIA fails to halt members of
the Bolivian militaries, aide by the Argentine counterparts,
from staging the so-called ``Cocaine Coup,'' according to
former DEA agent Michael Levine. In fact, the 25-year DEA
veteran maintains the agency actively abetted cocaine
trafficking in Bolivia, where government official who sought
to combat traffickers faced ``torture and death at the hands
of CIA-sponsored paramilitary terrorists under the command of
fugitive Nazi war criminal (also protected by the CIA) Klaus
Barbie.


february 1985

DEA agent Enrique ``Kiki'' Camerena is kidnapped and murder
in Mexico. DEA, FBI and U.S. Customs Service investigators
accuse the CIA of stonewalling during their investigation.
U.S. authorities claim the CIA is more interested in
protecting its assets, including top drug trafficker and
kidnapping principal Miguel Angel Felix Gallardo. (In 1982,
the DEA learned that Felix Gallardo was moving $20 million a
month through a single Bank of America account, but it could
not get the CIA to cooperate with its investigation.) Felix
Gallardo's main partner is Honduran drug lord Juan Ramon
Matta Ballesteros, who began amassing his $2-billion fortune
as a cocaine supplier to Alberto Sicilia Falcon. (see June
1985) Matta's air transport firm, SETCO, receives $186,000
from the U.S. State Department to fly ``humanitarian
supplies'' to the Nicaraguan Contras from 1983 to 1985.
Accusations that the CIA protected some of Mexico's leading
drug traffickers in exchange for their financial support of
the Contras are leveled by government witnesses at the trials
of Camarena's accused killers.


january 1988

Deciding that he has outlived his usefulness to the Contra
cause, the Reagan Administration approves an indictment of
Noriega on drug charges. By this time, U.S. Senate
investigators had found that ``the United States had received
substantial information about criminal involvement of top
Panamanian officials for nearly twenty years and done little
to respond.''


april 1989

The Senate Subcommittee on Terrorism, Narcotics and
International Communications, headed by Sen. John Kerry of
Massachusetts, issues its 1,166-page report on drug
corruption in Central America and the Caribbean. The
subcommittee found that ``there was substantial evidence of
drug smuggling through the war zone on the part of
individuals Contras, Contra suppliers, Contra pilots,
mercenaries who worked with the Contras supporters throughout
the region.'' U.S. officials, the subcommittee said, ``failed
to address the drug issue for fear of jeopardizing the war
efforts against Nicaragua.'' The investigation also reveals
that some ``senior policy makers'' believed that the use of
drug money was ``a perfect solution to the Contras' funding
problems.''


january 1993

Honduran businessman Eugenio Molina Osorio is arrested in
Lubbock Texas for supplying $90,000 worth of cocaine to DEA
agents. Molina told judge he is working for CIA to whom he
provides political intelligence. Shortly after, a letter from
CIA headquarters is sent to the judge, and the case is
dismissed. ``I guess we're all aware that they [the CIA] do
business in a different way than everybody else,'' the judge
notes. Molina later admits his drug involvement was not a CIA
operation, explaining that the agency protected him because
of his value as a source for political intelligence in
Honduras.


november 1996

Former head of the Venezuelan National Guard and CIA
operative Gen. Ramon Gullien Davila is indicted in Miami on
charges of smuggling as much as 22 tons of cocaine into the
United States. More than a ton of cocaine was shipped into
the country with the CIA's approval as part of an undercover
program aimed at catching drug smugglers, an operation kept
secret from other U.S. agencies.
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Thank you for pointing out the hypocrisy of the media's portrayal of Rev. Wright vs. Rev. Hagee or Pat Robertson. There is no other way to view the obvious difference except to express outrage at the overt racism in coverage.

Tonight for 9 long viewer paid for, wasted minutes Mr Moyers attempts to justify his obvious sympathetic cuddling of Rev Wright. Bill get over it already. You and all of the PBS sponsors know you lips were chapped after that obvious butt kissing session last week.

When people claim that this story was somehow created by "corporate media," I truly wonder what it is they are talking about.

First, the video recording of Wright's sermons was done by his own church, not the corporate media. The networks used portions of those recordings, of course, but the original capture was done by Trinity. So, far, no "corporate media."

When Obama decided to speak out ultimately, he did it on his own terms, in a speech in Philadelphia, which I heard on an NPR radio station, not "corporate media."

Next, Wright goes to Detroit, at the invitation of the NAACP branch there. And he gives his speech, without intereference from the "coporate media."

Finally, Wright goes to Washington and the National Press Club, which is broadcast on C-SPAN. C-SPAN! Is that what counts as "corporate media?"

This is so weird. Even when your candidate, your hoped-for leader of the free world says that his fellow Americans are "rightly offended" by Wright's comments (and not by "corporate media"), some of the Bill Moyers faithful are still defending Wright and thanking Bill Moyers for not having asked him any hard questions when he had the chance.

I was extremely disappointed with Bill Moyers and this interview. He spent more time coddling Wright than holding him accountable to any of the ridiculous and insulting things that he has said...

Just a couple comments/questions here:

Can Rev. Jeremiah Wright's church retain it's tax free status? Where is the ACLU? They must still be busy with last years Christmas nativity scenes. If comments like this were made in a white church, there would be hell to pay. White churches can barely hand out voting registration cards - wow the ACLU wouldn't be ignoring this story - would they? I find that hard to believe.

Here is a pastor that supports abortion, and nobody is saying a word. Do I need to remind him that the founder of the abortion movement - Margaret Sanger's goal was to target and eliminate minorities. Oh - by the way, when did Jesus Christ become pro-abortion? Excuse me - pro-choice? Did I miss it in the Bible or in one of my pastor's sermons?

All of you naive people that still believe Rev. JW comments were taken out of context should continue to support his ministry and his new 10,000 SF home in his new white neighborhood. Did I say white neighborhood - oh the horror! Don't forget to throw in some gas money for his Mercedes. I had no idea the people of this Chicago community had so much money to keep their (X)pastors living in luxury. His sermons must have made them all rich. God Bless America!

I feel for the black church goers that are being subject to this kind of hate speech every week. I hope & pray that its not wide spread. No wonder its taken so long for blacks to get past the blame game. I understand that wrongs were committed, wrongs have been committed in every corner of the globe! but lets work together and move on.

Final word: America is still the hope of the world. No - we're not perfect. But look what we've done in our history compared to any other country in the world. We've had the chance to control the world - but we didn't. I think that speaks volumes. Look at the mess in Africa now. Is anyone else to blame except America? Is there any negative Muslin influence - hmmmmmm. I've read history. The whole world was filled (and in many parts is still) with slavery. The Japanese hated Koreans, Chinese. Blacks hate other Blacks, Whites hate whites, Iraqis hate Iranians. Shites hate Sunnis. It goes on & on. You fill in the blanks. Pull out your history books, read it for yourself.

Conclusion: Listen to the words of Jesus Christ & Start thinking for yourself.

The Journal interview with Wright was Moyers at his best: presenting us with the depth of context, giving a man who had been vilified for utterly partisan reasons the opportunity to focus on his life overall, a life of great merit. Wright's subsequent appearances at the Press Club and elsewhere, however, and particularly the timing of those appearances, do make me wonder what his goals are. It is sad to see such self-serving arrogance on the part of someone who clearly has contributed to society. Wright's comments, offensive to some while plausible to others, are no longer the primary focus. The corporate press's insistence on keeping this story alive, and Wright's own stoking of the fires, only diverts attention from the very serious issues at hand, and the campaign of perhaps the only candidate committed to addressing those issues head on.

I wish I could do more, I wish I could write more, and create work that makes a difference, and inspires people to think, to accept truth and question the lies that we are being fed by media that is so obviously controlled by corporations, who’s sole interest is to sell and make money at what ever cost.
I wonder if I’m just wasting my time right now and instead of trying to think these things through, and question in my mind the issues that matter in our world, for our own well being and the well being of our children, I shouldn’t be out there enjoying the sun, drinking, dancing, laughing, and ignoring the blister that impedes me from walking with grace. Is it all the same? Will the powers that have a hold on our psyche always get away with murder and treason, until that day arrives, that unfortunate end, when it’s too late and we all are forced to suffer the consequences. I can’t stand the idea that so many wonderful people out there believe that nothing is wrong, as long as they are comfortably numb, and that the only topic of importance is whether Obama should be punished for having accepted the controversial pastor Rev. Wright into his life. But we’re okay because have a generous candidate who is offering us a bit of money for all the hiked prices and low pay. So I ask myself, why can’t Hillary Clinton understand Obama’s predicament in having accepted the Doctor, Minister, Pastor and Reverend into his life even with all his imperfections, and extreme views that don’t’ seem so extreme when you really listen to them, as he interprets the Bible, a book that is so full of extremes anyway. At least Obama didn’t marry the guy. It’s worse I think, that Hillary married a man who ended up betraying her for something so meaningless as a moment of sexual pleasure, he broke his vows to his wife and to the country he lost an awful lot of respect. But I guess she thinks this is different, and continued to stay with this man, the president of the country. Obama went to this preacher in order to give and support a Church who’s actions demonstrated compassion and activism. For me, Hillary stayed with Clinton for personal interests and now she denounces Obama with such righteousness. I’ve liked Hillary, I’ve been struggling with myself for not being completely convinced about her as our future president, but I just can’t help seeing her phoniness, and lack of sincerity and commitment with what she is really going to do. Maybe I’m too naïve, and only someone like her is capable of making some sort of change, by way of negotiating with the evil, greedy powers. Why can’t we accept Obama who is willing to really take risks and not play the game? If Clinton is so adamant that Obama can’t handle the political machinery of the White House, then what is she really saying? There is no hope for uncovering the lies and moving forward in the interest of the people. That the powers are simply too strong and that we need to sell out in some way? Otherwise we will be considered a national threat. I’m not happy that Bill Clinton passed a bill to privatize the media, I’m actually very upset about it. Big mistake that has now turned us into uninformed and passive citizens, who cannot take action because we don’t know what really is going on and what to respond to, because journalists do nothing more than to feed a delusional image of our reality. I am so tired of hearing the same news on every channel, and being forced to give importance to issues I really don’t care about because I know that there are things out there, going on that are impacting my life so much more, and will affect the life of future generations. I don’t want to live through a war, I pray every day that I don’t. I already know enough of what so many people suffered in our recent past, and now it would be so much worse, because with the press of one button all of us are left in the fumes of a horrific misery. But in the meantime I don’t want to live on my knees, like Passionaria would say. I want my rights as a citizen to be respected, and I don’t want to compare this country with other places of the world where there is ignorance and imperialistic power. We have come this far as a nation for a reason, no need to feel like “It could be worse”, why not feel like we are working to make it better. A country that takes serious responsibility in educating our youth so that the future brings up contributing thinking citizens, with bright ideas and revolutionary concepts for living in congruence with the environment and other nations. A future that has enthusiastic, caring people who want to reach out to those with less opportunities so that in the end we all benefit. We need to stop teaching our children that money and material things are essential to happiness, when we know that it’s not true and can prove that the time spent making money takes away from the attention and love we need to give to them, which is what they will have to build up and strengthen. The United States is a beautiful, majestic country with the most powerful minds in the world, lets use this power to empower our nation not diminish and destroy. We need to focus on what really matters, and who’s going to make it happen, who’s going to do something about our educational system, our prison system, and in between? We are responsible for preparing our children for life. If they don’t have options for them, except what’s made available; drugs and envy from all the advertising, what can we expect.
I agree with Obama in that we need to communicate with our enemy, and like Abraham Lincoln said himself: “Am I not destroying my enemy by befriending him?”

Without an open honest dialogue, we are forced to fight, and this may be very good for the arms and petroleum business for a while, but afterwards there will be a huge bill to pay, and the people will have nothing to lose but to fight for their existence tooth and nail.
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Just imagine if Rev. John Hagee went on television before a national audience and said, "Hurricane Katrina was visited upon New Orleans because of its sinful embrace of homosexuals, transvestites, prostitutes and all other manner of vice. And the Roman Catholic Church is nothing but a cult."

Imagine further in the course of that interview, Rev. Hagee talked about the importance of morality in our public discourse, preventing teen pregnancy and drug abuse, discouraging divorce and domestic violence.

Does anyone among the Bill Moyers loyalists think, for even a moment that the "Katrina" and "Catholic" comments would not draw the most attention? And would the faithful be saying, "He may be controversial, but he has a right to his opinions, and he has a message worth listening to"?

No way. And Bill Moyers would not be inviting Hagee onto his program to "explain" his views in some kind of greater context.

Commenter Lyn-MD wrote this about Wright:

"Wright is in part basing his distrust of the government, concerning his views on the HIV virus and the black community, on the Tuskegee syphilis experiment. No one really knows if it is a valid fact or not."

Say what? "No one really knows" if the spread of AIDS was a U.S. government conspiracy? That's not just a foolish statement, it is an insult to our intelligence and an offense to civilized society. It is not much different from a bigot's saying that Jews control the world's money, Asians ar untrustworthy or that blacks are inferior. The statement that the U.S. government is responsible for the spead of AIDS is one that is borne of ignorance and, presumably, hatred for the U.S. government.

Bill Moyers apparently took great pleasure in taking Wright back in history to the time that Bill Moyers was Lyndon Johnson's press secretary in the Democratic White House and Wright was a Navy medical corpsman. Maybe Moyers should have taken Wright back a little less far in history, to the time that the AIDS virus began its vector in central Africa, when the President of the United States was -- Jimmy Carter. Did Carter approve a CIA plot to spead the AIDS virus?

This would be a ridiculous discussion, but for the fact that there seem to be an oddly large number of people who are so consumed with partisanship that they want to defend or at least defelect even the most ludicrous and dangerous comments from Wright.

Will the real J. Wright please stand up!

Dem. have some good issues, but the noise filtering out intended communication has rarely, if ever, been louder!

J. Wright's snippets became a problem for Obama & then an attempt to justify them was made, the hope was that the issue was over.

J. Wright appeared on Moyers' & smiled, was mild mannered, was calm, but said Obama was just speaking politics & did not distance hinself from his ole mentor & pastor. Ooops!
This renewed "the issue" & enlarged the coverage.

Obama had justified Wright & to now denounce him would be a flip-flop--which would be an equally large problem. What to do?

The National Press Club allowed J. Wright to speak & his weird appearance allowed Obama the needed "change" he has been looking for & then was able to say Rev. Wright was not the man he thought he knew for 20 yrs.

Did this solve the Wright issue or did the right issue come to the surface? Did Obama just admit to having such poor judgement that after spending 20 yrs. with a man that he was not able to judge his message? How will Obama judge how to deal with terrorist, North Korea, Iran?

Obama has less executive experience, has less quality judgemental skills, is not as well known, nor as highly respected as Oprah!

Forget the 3 main candidates before us, and let us find a better qualified person for President. I don't care--white, brown, yellow, black, male, or female--just qualified!!!!!!

Respectfully,
Billy Bob, Florida

I have now listened to the Moyers interview and I found the National Press Club interview to watch. It is true that Rev. Wright was the most effective when he stuck to his prepared remarks. He got silly and mocking when he did the quesion and answer period but even then his answers were very considered and worth listening to. If, as I often do, I was judging a High School debater I would have chided him for his attitude which ultimately detracted from his message. But his message even in his question and answer period was well worth listening to. Rev. Wright may say that this is not about him, it's about an attack on his church, but I would beg to differ. I think the attack has been quite personal and aimed at him. I think his cockiness was a response to that.

Last impression: the question and answer period did evoke Jesus and the Pharisees for me. ANd I totally loved it when he they asked the question, quoting scripture, how he viewed Islam in the light of no one can come to God except through Jesus...and he answered scripturally noting that not all of his sheep were of his flock.

It's interesting, how the Republicans react to what Rev. Wright Said, but say nothing about the Lie Bush told, that caused Thousands to Die.

I would like to see a roundtable discussion with Wright, Hagee, and Parsley - with input from Dr. Marty and Joan Campbell Brown - on the role of religion in American politics. And a complete "airing" and explanation of the statements made: Wrights contention about AIDS, Hagee's proclamation about the Catholic Church; and Parsley's edict on Islam.

Judi,

What's scary is the idiot that won two terms in office, and happens to be our current president.

The PBS, Bill Moyers interview with Wright, was neither brilliant nor despicable. It was preferable to the tabloid journalism "gotcha" theatrics that we've grown accustomed to.

I hope Wright does not go away. You may not agree with everything that he says, but he has a right to his opinion, just like you and others have the right to blindly follow along with everything our government tells us.

Most of the country, for the sake of being patriotic, fell for the pathetic, unfounded reasons Bush and Co. gave on the run up to the Iraq invasion. The corporate run media, proudly fell in line.

Anyone who questioned it, was deemed unpatriotic and were told, if you're not with us then you're with the terrorist.

Wright is in part basing his distrust of the government, concerning his views on the HIV virus and the black community, on the Tuskegee syphilis experiment. No one really knows if it is a valid fact or not.

Wright cannot prove it, but can anyone disprove it?

It does seem odd that a virus that was once prevalent among gay white men, is now running rampant with black Americans and Black Africans in Africa.

Barack is our best hope. He may be a little green, but look at where the experienced politicians have gotten us.

Judi,

What's scary is the idiot that won two terms in office, and happens to be our current president.

The PBS, Bill Moyers interview with Wright, was neither brilliant nor despicable. It was preferable to the tabloid journalism "gotcha" theatrics that we've grown accustomed to.

I hope Wright does not go away. You may not agree with everything that he says, but he has a right to his opinion, just like you and others have the right to blindly follow along with everything our government tells us.

Most of the country, for the sake of being patriotic, fell for the pathetic, unfounded reasons Bush and Co. gave on the run up to the Iraq invasion. The corporate run media, proudly fell in line.

Anyone who questioned it, was deemed unpatriotic and were told, if you're not with us then you're with the terrorist.

Wright is in part basing his distrust of the government, concerning his views on the HIV virus and the black community, on the Tuskegee syphilis experiment. No one really knows if it is a valid fact or not.

Wright cannot prove it, but can anyone disprove it?

It does seem odd that a virus that was once prevalent among gay white men, is now running rampant with black Americans and Black Africans in Africa.

Barack is our best hope. He may be a little green, but look at where the experienced politicians have gotten us.

Judi,

What's scary is the idiot that won two terms in office, and happens to be our current president.

The PBS, Bill Moyers interview with Wright, was neither brilliant nor despicable. It was preferable to the tabloid journalism "gotcha" theatrics that we've grown accustomed to.

I hope Wright does not go away. You may not agree with everything that he says, but he has a right to his oppinion, just like you and others have the right to blindly follow along with everything our government tells us.

Most of the country, for the sake of being patriotic, fell for the pathetic, unfounded reasons Bush and Co. gave on the run up to the Iraq invasion. The corporate run media, proudly fell in line.

Anyone who questioned it, was deemed unpatriotic and were told, if you're not with us then you're with the terrorist.

Wright is in part basing his distrust of the government, concerning his views on the HIV virus and the black community, on the Tuskegee syphilis experiments, done on men without their knowledge. No one really knows if it is a valid fact or not.

Wright cannot prove it, but can anyone disprove it?

It does seem odd that a virus that was once prevalent among gay white men, is now running rampant with black Americans and Black Africans in Africa.

Barack is our best hope. He may be a little green, but look at where the experienced politicians have gotten us.

Beware of the Jabbertalkers; they will create death and destruction where ever they go. They remind people of why others should hate other people and undermine their human status so that they can be punished while at the same time exalting themselves. They not only want an eye for an eye; they want a life for a minor mistake or a life just in case "Their Enemy" might be thinking of doing something wrong while at the same time they are doing plenty of evil themselves.
Blessed are the peace makers because they will be crucified and all of that for people who are self-righteous bigots. We all fall short of the glory of God and our righteousness is as filthy rags. When will we see the light as Christ taught it and have compassion for our fellow human beings? We are here to live our life and tend the earth not create hell on earth. No religion is better than false pretense.

"He who bears the interests of humanity in his breast, that man is blessed."
Johann Heinrich Pestalozzi

I don't know why we are wasting time still making statements about this farce of an interview. Maybe if we stop talking about Wright he will go away. But the same things are being repeated daily on here. Let's move on to more important issues. Wright is a lunatic and Obama is a follower. Has been for twenty years. No getting around it. He admitted it himself. Now it's up to the American people who the want for there next President. My personal opinion is that I don't think any of these candidates are capable of running our Country which is so sad. But this topic here has to end. It's tiresome. Wright has only made a fool out of himself. I will make this my last comment on here but I have to say just one more thing about Wright. I think what is even more disturbing is that there are people out there who believe in him and he gets applause. Scary! Let's move on!

As I continue to read the posts of this blog, I'm beginning to think that "some" here are actually against the "truth" contained in Rev. Wright's infamous sermons and his recent rants. While most of us had a huge problem and level of discomfort with recent speeches of Rev. Wright, I do think that there were granules of truth to many of his statements. I also noticed he was quick to disclaim agreement with all of Farrakhan's beliefs as well. So, I thought the Moyer's interview was ok considering.

On the other hand, like others, I DID NOT like the melodramatic mannerisms of Rev. Wright in his recent National Press speech. I DID think he appeared as some sort of stand-up, comic grief, not relief, and he so reminded me of the old caricatures of the Black Face. It was awful.

The Rev did in fact state things in his sermons and in his recent speeches which I've heard ordinary White and Black citizens have said...especially regarding the 911 crisis.
I've heard people of all backgrounds, (yes White too) say that the U.S.A has in some ways placed us in harm's way by our international policies and we have become vulnerable to terrorism.

Notwithstanding the truisms contained in many of the Rev's statements, I've taken offense at several of his perspectives. I definetly feel he is out of touch....out of time...stuck in a time warp....and obsolete in his thinking. His thoughts remind us of the past... the time in which he perhaps grew up and in which he earned his degrees.

I certainly had problems with his points on the educational differences in White and Black children. On the face of it, those statements were racist, exclusionary, and defeatist. They affronted the efforts of successful Black children who do well in school...They also go against the efforts of good Black parents who read to their children, take them to school, take an interest in their educational progress. His theories presupposed that Black chuildren only want to learn street culture, i.e, "rap and hiphop", and not the larger, more diverse world around them. What a shame. He set up others who might not have positive "push/pull" factors in their environments for future failure. His was offbase, antiquated, philosophical reasoning extracted from obsolete theorists and those who found it necessary to "racialize" learning and developmental theories during the 50s, 60s, and 70s.

Despite personal qualms with a number of issues he related, I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt on a few things. Wright did bring up the whole AIDS crisis issue and unheard of accusations against the U.S government. It was aburd! I researched out this topic myself. Didn't find anything to support his opinion per se, but I did find information that indicated that at least in so-called Third World countries (particularly from the African continent) there were concerns in the early AIDS diagnosis days for testing of human subjects...and the careless handling of this contagious virus among professionals who did specific testing in clinics and treatment centers. Many of these testing and treatment programs were in fact funded and operated by American and European pharmeceutical companies in the early days. This may be where the old Rev got his perspective...not sure?

The bottom line, Rev. Wright should be more than careful about what he preaches in his pulpit. It would be better for him to set up community seminars and discussion groups...bring in health/medical experts...and let us all become aware of these things together. It's not like the American people would deny facts when brought face-to-face with them. He went way over board with this and other issues period in most of the sermons and speeches. So Wright shouldn't be surprised that people are greatly offended and angry.

While watching Bill Moyer's interview of pastor Wright, my wife and I were in agreement that he spoke as an intelligent man who has given much serious thought to the positions he has taken on a variety of subjects. He has also taken on the responsibility of making the black community of his church whole, self respecting and involved in the larger community in which it is located.

The video tapes of his sermons chastising the U.S. for the actions which may have indeed led to 9/11 was only alarming in the respect that this is not a sermon that takes place in more Christian places of worship.

Where are the spiritual leaders who take their flocks to task for committing sins against other humans? Why is there no uproar concerning the church's blind eye to this country's financial and military imperialism as has been and is practiced on many poor countries in the world?

As to his accommodation, not acclamation, of Farrakhan, Wright pointed to the good Farrakhan had done with young black men while stating he did not agree with many of his philosophical positions.

Jeremiah Wright has now done in Detroit and at the Press Club what he needed to do to free Barack Obama from negative ties to him, his statements and positions. He has not only fallen on his sword for Barack, he made sure that sword was honed to razor sharpness so there could be no misinterpretation on Obama's part as to what the candidate had to do.

One brave and compassionate man has sacrificed his public (and possibly private) self so that another brave man can continue to pursue his dream and goal of becoming the president of this country and hopefully making it a better place for people of all stripes.

Look beyond the sound bites. Discover some truths beyond the mainstream media and start thinking for yourself. Bill Moyers has offered us these opportunities for years. It is still disappointing that so few citizens of this country have taken up the mantle of free thinkers and explorers of the truth.

Only by becoming a truly free and informed populace will we save our country from the fate of past failed empires. Only then can we become our promise as a democratic beacon of light in a world more and more controlled by money and money's distractions.

Bogart


Ultimately, Rev. Wright may slowly vanish from the public debate and be discounted as a mere distraction, and an irrelevancy to serious discussion. Pretty clearly, he will be kept as far away from the Obama campaign as humanly possible.

Then the focus will turn to Obama himself. And whether his dismissal of Wright has been as earnest and yet as painful as some suggest.

James Taranto, of the Wall Street Journal's OpinionJournal.com webpage and the Editor of the "Best of the Web" oline column, has pointed out that almost exactly a year ago, the New York Times reported this fascinating exchange:
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Mr. Wright, who has long prided himself on criticizing the establishment, said he knew that he may not play well in Mr. Obama's audition for the ultimate establishment job.
"If Barack gets past the primary, he might have to publicly distance himself from me," Mr. Wright said with a shrug. "I said it to Barack personally, and he said yeah, that might have to happen."

The New York Times, April 30, 2007.
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In other words, the political calculation between Wright and Obama was never any sort of arduous personal exploration by the two of them; rather, it is just part of a long and drawn-out matter of expediency in a campaign.

When Wright shrugged off Obama's Philadelphia speech, saying that Obama just does what politicians have to do to get over, Wright probaly meant it just as it sounded, and it is as true as Obama's critics are now claiming. Obama was happy to have been a 20-year member of Wright's church as Obama worked his way up in Chicago ward politics. Now that Wright is a campaign liability, Obama is discarding him like an old campaign button.

Somehow, I don't think this story is going to be followed up on the next Bill Moyers program.

Moyers did not explore Wright's racism. Moyers failed to ask Wright why he has called Italian Americans "garlic-nose," and why from the pulpit he has repeatedly badmouthed whites in general. Apparently, Moyers' job was to sanitize the man for the sake of the Obama campaign. Shame on Moyers. How he has fallen.

Wright is a fitting albatross hanging from the neck of the junior Illinois senator of ever-so thin credentials. Express all the politic outrage he may, Obama cannot account adequately for a twenty-year close association of "lamb" to pastor, with Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Voters are not idiots. And they know what Obama and Wright know, and what Moyers failed to point out: that you are known by the long-term company you keep.

Hi Bill

I am ready for my next interview. Please call me when I should give me next interview on PBS.

JW

BEWARE: continued use, over and over again, of long answers, by the same individual/s, is an attempt to SABOTAGE this blog. Those in power are scared of losing their power. The worst thing that could happen to them is for individuals from the MIDDLE CLASS to rise up, and be heard.

Lyn-MD--In all due respect don't quit your day job. They only person confused here is you. Mr. Brown is right on target. Maybe you weren't paying attention to what Obama had said in his last speach.

Just a couple more brief points, John...

You said that Moyers extends the same kinds of courtesies to conservative guests as he does his many liberal guests. I think you're mostly right about that, as far as it goes. Moyers doesn't do much "tough questioning" of ANY of his guests. Moyers' style is to attack persons who are not his guests, but to only invite the persons with whom he can ask nice questions.

So Moyers invited the great and fascinating black conservative Shelby Steele, and they had an illuminating conversation.

But then there's the case of the radical fundamentalist, Rev. John Hagee. The left loves to claim that the same scrutiny that has applied to Wright should apply to Hagee. I mention Hagee here only to point out that Moyers actually did an attack-piece story on Hagee and his ministry and some of HIS inflammatory outbursts (none of which I defend), but he never invited Hagee onto the show. That's really the Moyers modus operandi. An appearance of journalism, but with a very, very soft lens.

Now, John, with respect to the Moyers transcript portions in my post immediately below, those are as close as I could find to "hard questions." If I had been in a courtroom with Moyers and Wright, I'd have said, "Your Honor, he's leading the witness!"

The closest thing to a challenge of Wright was Moyers' observation that Farrakhan's anit-semitic remarks had been "inexcusable." But Wright evaded that, and then went on to talk about the good of the Nation of Islam. Personally, I find Farrakhan's role in all of this to be mostly irrelevant. Obama long ago denounced Farrakhan, and rejected Farrakhan's political endorsement. But for his own reasons, apparently, Obama brought it up again this week, probably becuase the National Press Club audience asked Wright a more pointed question about Farrakhan, a better and more insistent question than Moyers' slow-pitch softball, and Wright called Farrakhan one of the great men of the 20th and 21st centuries.

But more than anything, Moyers didn't ask Wright, "Why did you claim that there was a U.S. government conspiracy to spread AIDS?" Do you really believe it? Why make the claim if you have no proof to back it up? Isn't it a dangerous notion to even suggest it?

Those would have been good "tough questions" don't you think, John?

John,

It was pretty easy for Bill Moyers to ask, and for Jeremiah Wright to answer, a lot of softball questions like these:

BILL MOYERS: Let's start with first things. When did you hear the call to ministry? How did it come?

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BILL MOYERS: So, when Trinity Church says it is unashamedly black and unapologetically Christian, is it embracing a race-based theology?

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BILL MOYERS: So, God is not, contrary to some of the rumors that have been circulated about Trinity, God is not exclusively or totally identified with just the black community?

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BILL MOYERS: What does the church service on Sunday morning mean in general to the black community?

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BILL MOYERS: Are you saying that the members of Trinity leave the world of unemployment, leave the world of discrimination, leave the world of that daily struggle and come to church for-

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BILL MOYERS: Lots of controversy about black liberation theology. As I understand it, black liberation theology reads the bible through the experience of people who have suffered, and who then are able to say to themselves that we read the bible differently, because we have struggled, than those do who have not struggled. Is that a fair bumper sticker of liberation theology?

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BILL MOYERS: When I hear the word "black liberation theology" being the interpretation of scripture from the oppressed, I think well, that's the Jewish story--

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BILL MOYERS: Yeah. But talk a little bit about that. The prophets loved Israel. But they hated the waywardness of Israel. And they were calling Israel out of love back to justice, not damning--
REVEREND WRIGHT: Exactly.
BILL MOYERS: Not damning Israel. Right?

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BILL MOYERS: One of the most controversial sermons that you preach is the sermon you preach that ended up being that sound bite about Goddamn America.
BILL MOYERS: What did you mean when you said that?

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BILL MOYERS: Well, you can be almost crucified for saying what you've said here in this country.

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BILL MOYERS: What is your notion of why so many Americans seem not to want to hear the full Monty - they don't want to seem to acknowledge that a nation capable of greatness is also capable of cruelty?

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BILL MOYERS: You preached that sermon on the Sunday after 9-11 -- almost 7 years ago. When people saw the sound bites from it this year, they were upset because you seemed to be blaming America. Did you somehow fail to communicate?

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BILL MOYERS: What did you think when you began to see those very brief sound bites circulating as they did?

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BILL MOYERS: What can you tell me about what's happened at the church since this controversy broke?

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BILL MOYERS: There had been death threats?

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BILL MOYERS: Did you ever imagine that you would come to personify the black anger that so many whites fear?

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BILL MOYERS: I think of how important music is to your church at times like this, that's intentional isn't it?

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BILL MOYERS: So what blues are you singing right now?

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BILL MOYERS: You know, you mentioned Senator Obama. In the 20 years that you've been your pastor, have you ever heard him repeat any of your controversial statements as his opinion?

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BILL MOYERS: Here is a man who came to see you 20 years ago wanting to know about the neighborhood. Barack Obama was a skeptic when it came to religion. He sought you out because he knew you knew about the community. You led him to the faith. You performed his wedding ceremony. You baptized his two children. You were, for 20 years, his spiritual counselor. He has said that. And, yet, he, in that speech at Philadelphia, had to say some hard things about you. How, how did it go down with you when you heard Barack Obama say those things?
REVEREND WRIGHT: It went down very simply. He's a politician, I'm a pastor. We speak to two different audiences. And he says what he has to say as a politician. I say what I have to say as a pastor. Those are two different worlds. I do what I do. He does what politicians do. So that what happened in Philadelphia where he had to respond to the sound bytes, he responded as a politician. But he did not disown me because I'm a pastor.
BILL MOYERS: But even some of your admirers say it would be wrong to gloss over what Martin Marty himself called- who loves you- called your "abrasive edges." For example, you know, Louis Farrakhan lives in the south part of Chicago, doesn't he? You've had a long complicated relationship with him, right?
REVEREND WRIGHT: Yes.
BILL MOYERS: And he, you know, he's expressed racist and anti-Semitic remarks. And, yet, last year-
REVEREND WRIGHT: Twenty years ago.
BILL MOYERS: Twenty years ago, but that's indefensible.
REVEREND WRIGHT: The Nation of Islam and Mr. Farrakhan have more African-American men off of drugs. More African-American men respecting themselves. More African-American men working for a living. Not gang banging. Not trying to get by. That's not indefensible in terms of how you make a difference in the prisons? Turning people's lives around. Giving people hope. Getting people off drugs. That we don't believe the same things in terms of our specific faiths. He's Muslim, I'm Christian. We don't believe the same things he said years ago. But that has nothing to do with what he has done in terms of helping people change their lives for the better. I said direct quote was what? "Louis Farrakhan is like E.F. Hutton. When Lewis Farrakhan speaks, black America listens. They may not agree with him, but they're listening.

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BILL MOYERS: What does it say to you that millions Americans, according to polls, still think Barack Obama is a Muslim?

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BILL MOYERS: Our denomination, the United Church of Christ has called for a sacred conversation on race in America. What are the steps that you think from all of your experience can be taken to move race relations forward?

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BILL MOYERS: Jeremiah Wright, thank you very much for this opportunity.

Charles,

Moyers asked Wright to explain his "God damn America" comment, his relationship with Louis Farrakhan, etc.

The point of this interview was obviously to give Rev. Wright the opportunity to provide the context, beliefs, philosophy, etc. that lies beneath the ubiquitous sound-bites.

Bill Moyers gives the same opportunity to all of his guests, many of whom are on the other end of the ideological spectrum from Jeremiah Wright. Could you name other journalists, or news programs, that offer the same sort of respectful dialogue?

If you like "journalists" who aggressively corner and shout down individuals they disagree with, while giving corporate and government power structures a free ride, then you have plenty of sources to choose from. But for those, like myself, who appreciate someone who has the mind, spirit and character to have an intelligent conversation with a wide range of guests, and the courage and perspective to expose power abusers, there are few if any like Bill Moyers.

In one of your postings, you said that Bill Moyers "role in all of this...(is) a sterling example of journalism as propaganda."

I'm sorry, but I find that absurd. What is your opinion of the pro-war propaganda served up by all of the major networks before the war started?

Here is how the word is defined on Wikipedia: "Propaganda is a concerted set of messages aimed at influencing the opinions or behavior of large numbers of people."

The Bush Administration and their cheerleaders in the media presented a textbook case of just this behavior, at the cost of tens of thousands of lives (at the very least), suicides and mental affliction for countless vets, and over a half a trillion dollars and counting. Bill Moyers recent documentary cogently documented the role of the mainstream media in aiding and abetting this disaster.

Propaganda journalism serves to cheerlead for the interests of power and greed, while ignoring the human, environmental, financial and other costs. In that light, Bill Moyers is the anti-propaganda journalist.

Ironically, "journalists" such as those found at Fox News who are first-order propagandists, attempt to disguise their subservience to power by harshly grilling and cross-examining individuals who express ideas they find disagreeable (like Jeremiah Wright), but who otherwise are not in positions to abuse power with the consequence of misbegotten wars or programs of torture, for ex.

Then, guess what? We all end up having endless conversations about celebrities, sports stars and even controversial pastors, while we pass on a mounting pile of debt to our children, to pay for the killing of other people's children in war authorized by "patriots" who dodged all service themselves, and cheered by "journalists" who work for media corporations driven not by the pursuit of the truth, but by profit margins. And showing the realities of war doesn't sell ads, but "gotcha" journalism keeps em coming back for more.

Long live Bill Moyers.


John, what "tough questions" did Bill Moyers put to Rev. Wright?

When the corporate media was endlessly looping Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld-Rice soundbites about the need to attack Iraq, Bill Moyers was a visionary voice in the wilderness doing what journalists are supposed to do: ask the tough questions.

On the fifth anniversary of Bush declaring "mission accomplished", imagine the death, destruction and deficits that could have been spared if more "journalists" had sought the truth, rather than beating the drums for war.

Now, the same corporate media feeds us endless loops of Rev. Wright snippets, while barely mentioning the escalating violence in Iraq, Afghanistan, the Administration drum beats for war in Iran, direction of torture by Condi Rice and co., endangerment of public health caused by Administration meddling into EPA science, on and on.

Barack Obama's campaign is about a deep change in direction from the lies, corruption and incredible damage perpetrated by the Bush Administration, which Bill Moyers has unflinchingly chronicled from the beginning of their reign.

The interview with Rev. Wright gave a context for his sound-bites, that showed that his main message is speaking of God as an ally of the oppressed, the poor, a force for peace. It is no doubt this Rev. Wright that attracted Barack Obama and thousands of others at his church.

Barack Obama addressed the deeper issues, and the complexity of Rev. Wright himself, in his speech in Philadelphia. But faced with another cycle of sound-bites, he had no choice but to speak clearly against statements that he disagrees with. It was obviously a lose-lose position to be in.

Now, will all those who have been beating their chests in righteous indignation over Wright and Obama now insist that the media grill John McCain about seeking his support from John Hagee?

In the final analysis, this is another in a round of giant distractions from the crucial question of whether our country is going to continue on the road to ruin charted by Bush-Cheney, or undergo the "revolution of values" that MLK, Jr urged us to have 40 years ago.

It's easy to get discouraged reading the rants of the haters on this forum, but there is too much at stake for my baby girl and the children of the world to give in to the "triple evils of militarism, materialism and racism" (MLK) that escalated over the past 7 years in this country.

It's not about whether we agree or disagree with every utterance of Jeremiah Wright, Barack Obama or Bill Moyers. It's about our values and what we are willing to do to make sure that what is done in our name by those who claim to represent us reflects those values.

In his Philly speech, Barack Obama said, "What is called for.....is that we do unto others as we would have them do unto us. " Call it chickens coming home to roost, call it the cycle of violence, call it revenge, call it what you will, but I don't want done unto my child what the Iraq War has done unto the children of Iraq.

Thank you Bill Moyers for continuing to shed light into the dark corners of the American soul, so that we can redeem ourselves in peace and justice for all.


But Lyn -
Surely you understand that among the "soundbites" were excerpts in which Wright theorized that AIDS was a government conspiracy. Another "soundbite" (a photo-op, in fact) was Wright honoring Louis Farrakhan. And as to the "coming home to roost comment," even Barack Obama found Wright, IN CONTEXT, to have crossed into an area of disgust and offense when Wright compared the U.S. military to terrorists.

Those are only three examples where the "soundbites" appear to have spoken the truth. I chose those three because Obama himself itemized those three in his formal rejection of Wright. what could possibly be clearer? In context, in his own words, Wright repeated his earlier outrageous comments without any editing whatsoever. Barack Obama watched it, and says he was offended.

You are of course free to support Rev. Wright if you wish. But there is some kind of schism going on, wherein first Obama and now Northwestern University seem to regard Wright as radioactive. (NU just announced that it is withdrawing its offer of an honorary degree to Wright.)

I don't propose to change the minds of devoted liberals. But I do propose to challenge the view that unfair "soundbite media" is what brought down Wright, and I further propose to challenge Bill Moyers' role in all of this, as highly suspect, and a sterling example of journalism as propaganda.

Charles Brown,

I don't know if you are genuinely confused or if you are deliberately trying to confuse others.

The "soundbite media" did make Wright a scapegoat because the soundbites were taken out of context. When you thought you heard Wright saying "Goddam America", on the soundbite, What he really said was "God Damned America", for our past actions against others. "GOD damned America", not Wright asking God to damn America or Wright cursing in church.

When you heard " The Roosters are coming home to roost", on the soundbite, what you heard is Wright quoting Peck, the ambasador of Iraq, who happens to be a white man. Mr. Peck made that statement on the Fox network, after 9/11, and there was no uproar about it. The uproar came after Wright quoted Mr. Peck, during a 2001 sermon that was taped. Portions of that video was leaked to the media for obvious reasons.

When you observed Wright at subsequent events, after the PBS, Bill Moyers, interview, He was being Pastor Wright, speaking and preaching and answering questions as himself. That is what he does.

I guess he could have turned down the rhetoric, but maybe he felt that since Barack, didn't go out of his way to clear up the misconceptions in the media, based on the soundbites, accusing him of being a racist and anti-america, why should he go out of his way to turn down his personality and beliefs.

Some people say God bless Bill Moyers. I say God damn Bill Moyers.

It seems to be an article of faith that Rev. Wright was done wrong by "soundbite media." And that the Bill Moyers interview was so much better than that kind of media.

But it was not Bill Moyers' interview that exposed Rev. Wright to Barack Obama. It was the events of the subsequent days -- the Wright speech in Detroit, and the appearance at the National Press Club -- that seem to have exposed Rev. Wright to Obama as a person that Obama had somehow not known for the previous 20 years.

Judging by what Obama has determined, the soundbite version of Wright is the more accurate one than the one that was seen on warm and fuzzy Moyers interview. In retrospect, Obama would have done well in his Philadelphia speech to have drawn the lilne in the sand between himself and Wright then and there, instead of saying that he could no more disown Wright than he could disown his white grandmother. Because now, he has disowned Wright.

Why is it that "soundbite media" is continually made the scapegoat in the case of Rev. Jeremiah Wright?

Thanks so much, Bill Moyers, for once again giving us a bigger context for the inflammatory sound bites fed to us by the corporate media.

I found the interview to be extremely enlightening about the history of race/religion/culture/politics in the US in our time. Reverend Wright is obviously very well educated in these issues and has lived them. I was very inspired by the humanitarian work they're doing in his congregation, that's what churches should be about.

I also totally agree with the statements he made that were clipped out of context. I think it's pretty common knowledge that U.S. foreign policy is bringing us back only misery. What goes around, comes around.

It's sad that in the name of politics, Barack can't talk about these issues as easily as he can talk about race. Nothing is going to change for the US if we can't confront these issues head-on without being marginalized as America-haters. The wealthy military-industrial complex counts on our "patriotism" to stay in power (over us).

Barack Hussein Obama is indeed doing what politicians do as Rev Wright said. He is distancing himself from Wright now that it is all out in the open.

The fact is that BHO and his wife (Michelle O could do stand-up with Wright, she is no different)were comfortable with Wright for 20 years - they knew who he was and what he was about. They could have changed church a long time ago if they weren't comfortable. Why suddendly now? He a running for President, that's why.

Don't be hookwinked America - and don't make excuses for the politician BHO.

I may be wrong but I believe that true patriots are always few. That's why they have special recognition in our society and in our history books. That's why they are marked as courageous. If your easy patriotism causes you to believe what the masses believe then you should make sure that you're still a patriot.

The issue is will PBS continue to enable Bill Moyers to continue his leftist agenda using public funds? Barack Obama’s action validated my opinion of Mr Moyers journalism. Moyers had the unique opportunity to illuminate Wright’s comments and their underlying message. He failed to do that, not because he is inept, he is very astute and subtle, but… because he has an agenda. I believe Reverend Wright’s misguided beliefs have been shaped by years of honest, empathetic work in a parish with lots of disadvantaged people. But there is no excuse for Moyers dishonest approach to journalism.

What surprises me is that so many racists (mostly men with curt names) pretend to be surprised and outraged by Jeremiah's conspiracy accusations. The same power and ruthlessness you seem to admire in "your team", the United States, he is describing from "below the deck." (Maybe he ain't personally "below the deck" these days but as a U.C.C. pastor he speaks for the victims current, past and present at home and abroad.) He feels compelled to do this by his faith, and is even disappointed that Obama refuses to sacrifice his campaign by going the distance.
I really wish Jeremiah could join with people like myself who are convinced 9/11 was an inside job. I am disappointed that Jeremiah has not gone the distance because the United States has become an organization of covert secrecy and ruthless, cruel behavior in pursuit of profit and suzeranity for its wealthy class.
It shows the self-defeating nature of the Nazi mind that they embrace sadistic heirarchy, and undermine their immediate personal interests, by attacking any party accusing their "betters" of crimes against the American people and humanity. Maybe they do it in hopes that the Big Man will pat their little bottom or head and throw them a cookie.
Real American patriots are not lap dogs, but are dissident critics of our sick system where only 10% or fewer can be successful at the expense of the others and the poor around the world. As a victim of medical experimentation as a child I learned the lesson of the cruel wealthy and their ruthlessness early. This week we learned how the users of tax money and grants might want to dump sewage and toxic waste where minority children play in order to study (not treat) lead poisoning. Yes, it happened right at the opulent scientific jewel hospital complex, Johns Hopkins, where Arab oil magnates and their relatives receive kidneys harvested by suspect means. That is not aberrant behavior in our country, but the "gold standard" of elite perogative.

What I can't understand is that Bill Moyers, who so succinctly dissected the "Secret Government" in 1987, perfectly placing Irangate and Contragate in the context of an accelerating bipartisan betrayal of the American people, could fail to recognize where the trajectory has led.
The profitable wars of lies in Iran and Afganistan, the 9/11 conspiracy which led to it, and the frivolous manipulated and rigged election of game show host leaders are the obvious outcome of a runaway criminal locus of raw power, the illegitimate U.S. government. And now that it is trapped by its financial and strategic errors, expect it to turn desperate and bloodthirsty on its own people. The erosion of our civil and human rights should be no surprise, as coming from a renagade, wounded, desperate state, ripe for comuppence.
Jeremiah harps on the old crimes in hopes of alerting you to crimes in progress, to wake you from a dream. Maybe he doesn't even fully recognize what he is attacking, maybe he is fixated on the racism elites use to divide us.
Human beings are all perceptually incomplete and must operate as a collectivity to get an accurate picture. I can see how Jeremiah, who once was a Marine, who held Lyndon Johnson's life in his hands, who raised a church from 87 souls to 87 hundred could be a little grandiose and seem demented, but he is not unusual. (I see him as a gifted actor and comedian.)
The primary effect of the unnatural concentration of power in any nation state operated for minority advantage is that the resultant inevitable oppression fills us with awe and anxiety and we are isolated in an unfortunate way. The limitation of not really being able to talk openly about our political doubts with people we trust is the outcome. Jeremiahs substitute for free communication by exorcizing our pent up socio-political anxieties.
What are your "friends", people you drink and drug and sexually carouse with, relatives you didn't choose, people in the same church, workmates? With whom do you share your fears of big corporate forces and the government promoting and protecting them? It would be unusual if you didn't feel this common burden.
You are in denial if you don't realize every one of us is a Jeremiah Wright, moving deftly around gargantuan crimes, afraid of being crushed by circumstance, finding a little crack where we can operate.

Some react by defending a mythical ideal and some ask questions and demand accountability. There have been too many cover-ups for me to act out of loyalty or gratitude, too many rubber-headed commissions and too much stonewalling. Let the United States come clean, no matter who holds office, and let us correct its structural flaws so that more people can live a worthy, meaningful life and lift up the weak and fallen. We had a Civil War once to make the first part of the correction. Maybe now we are ready for a "people power" solution. (I know most people are afraid yet to take the first step, but that is changing.)I think all of us are tired of living a lie.
It's gonna be a prettty day in Takoma Park. I'll walk Molly and try to engage people in meaningful conversation, listen to WPFW.

Janet, the generosity and understanding that you are apparently willing to show me and to demonstrate to others appears to be something that Rev. Jeremiah Wright is incapable of in the political context. (And as a now-retired minister and future author on societal and political issues, politics seems to be where his bread is buttered these days.) Wright seems to hold his political enemies ("the government," the Bush Administration, etc.) with such an unusual degree of contempt and hatred that he is willing to perpetrate outlandish and despicable lies, like an "AIDS conspiracy" in order to advance his ajenda and influence his credulous congregants.

Janet, I don't think this is a matter of Christian understanding. What Christian purposes are served by spreading an enormous lie about a devastating disease?

Persons on the left of the political spectrum seem to like to talk about speaking truth to power. Well Rev. Wright is a powerful man; a wealthy church leader who commands a large enough media audience so that his address to the Detroit Branch of the NAACP was broadcast live on two national television networks. Wright had (now discharged) a prominent position in a national presidential cmpaign.

Now, I am speaking truth to power. I am saying, "No, Rev. Wright's lies are inexcusable, and Senator Obama now, belatedly, agres."

While I don't expect to re-educate any of Bill Moyers' faithful left-wing audience, I find it disturbing and disappointing that he and his producers would have had no comment whatsoever on an interview that so poorly served the PBS audience.

There are violent comments about Senator Obama on iVillage. One poster has a thread running entitled "I found Obama. He was under a bus" in which he talks about a knife in Obama's back.

http://messageboards.ivillage.com/iv-elpoliticsto

Yes the statements turn out to be metaphorical if you read the post. This is still unacceptable and inappropriate. iVillage has refused to take down this inappropriately titled thread. I suggest posters get on iVil and express their outrage. These kind of statements need to be stopped and removed. Casual words can lead to action.

Rodney King in 1992:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jgc6vOjCiE

(don't read too much into this, I'm just pointing out the call for peace)

I found a an interesting advice on the following blog to which I posted an interesting advice of mine here is the link and my advice:

Always "put yourself in the shoes of the other side/the adversary to see if you would like your treatment of others/other-nations. For example see if you would appreciate the manipulative playings (for cynical and illegitimate political gains) with the ancient name (thousands of years old) for a very famous Gulf; the Persian Gulf. Listen to this truthful logic (even from a horrible kicked-out dictator:


http://youtube.com/watch?v=hQgZ3oLp_WY&feature=related

Shah of Iran on Persian Gulf, and American Jewish Lobby

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Frannie Em - 5/1/2008 1:05 AM
M Morgan - huh? what kind of shoes did the Shah wear?

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M Morgan - 5/1/2008 1:12 AM
Listen to it (click the link) to find out that he had been wearing the magic shoes of the always-truthful Iranians/Persians. At that moment he had become one with the rest of truth-telling people of the world.

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A demogogue mixes truth with lies. Rev. Wright has a valid cause to be upset, but his reactions do not always make much sense. The point is that he is not helpful to Senator Obama, to voters, or to himself. Sad.

Charles, I see that you are a person who finds it hard to live with uncertainty. I don't much like it myself but in truth there is little alternative.

Once upon a time I was taught an "affirmation"--a statement that you can make to yourself or others that simultaneously acknowledges an individual's imperfection and their inherent worth. It goes like this. "You are a precious, worthwhile, mistake-making person."

You, Charles...you, Rev. Wright...all of us are precious, worthwhile, mistake-making persons.

So, yes, Charles I can live with it. I can tolerate knowing that Rev. Wright does not have to generate perfection to be able to teach me something.

I work with families all of the time and they tell me profoundly silly things about their health conditions. Sometimes it occurs because of miscommunication between physician or health care provider and patient. Sometimes I am dealing with someone who has a limited understanding of their body and its' function. But these folks teach me all sorts of things and I can live with the dissonance even though it bothers me sometimes.

So while I do not believe that the government spread AIDS among people, I believe the government's deliberate policy neglect of poor folks makes it worse. So I don't have to exactly agree with Reverend Wright to have the patience to hear him out and listen to what else he says.

And since I view Barack Obama's dilemma with Reverend Wright through a different prism, I do not have to select one person to be wrong and another to be right. In my prism, it is just a sad car wreck of an incident in those two men's lives. That divisiveness hurts all of us and turns our attention away from the real crises in this country.

But, wow, it sure makes for good tabloid journalism.

Mr. Moyers: You asked the wrong question, unfortunately, of Rev. Wright. The question is not why say "Damn America" but rather why say "America" as opposed to some Americans, or some American leaders or some individuals. Why does he damn America instead of individuals? Unless, of course, if is appropriate to condemn all for the actions of some.

I apologize to Mr Moyers. Your interview was before Rev Wright told us that blacks have different brains and learn subjectively , not objectively. You did know that he thought the US government created and spread AIDS to kill blacks.

I wonder if Trinity UCC give advice to their congregants to not identify their race on social security applications. That would be risky because the Dept of Health and Human Services would know where to find the blacks. Granted they probably used AIDS so it could be done passively. But what if that specific government department (maybe it was the Defense Advance Research Project Agency) decided to get a little more aggressive. You'd have to be very careful about identifying your race.

Posted by: Charles Brown | April 30, 2008 07:12 PM
"The third option is that Obama 'condemned' Wright for pure political expediency, but he doesn't really mean it. In which case Obama is a remarkably duplicitous figure.)" [you were responded to Posted by: Janet | April 30, 2008 06:14 PM]

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Barack Obama took too long to come out stronger against Reverend Wright's controversial and divisive remarks. Reverend Wright just echoed what Barack Obama has heard previously. Really, nothing new. My conclusion is that political expediency drove Barack Obama to distance himself more from Reverend Wright on Tuesday, April 29, 2008. And, that's why I am appalled.

Amazing to see all the good reasonable moderates just ‘enabling away.’

Apparently Bill Moyer's agrees with Rev Wright that little black children learn differently from whites...God bless their different brains. I guess Bill Moyer's agrees that those black children are 'subject' oriented. As Wright said they just love climbing all over their teachers (the subject) and just can't get into those pesky 'objects' like books. And as Wright implied those teachers were just freaked out that the black children could not stay in their seats. That cracked up the NAACP convention. Whooweee funny.

Wake up people. I heard this growing up in Miss. And of course they provided schools for the distinct learning style of all the little black children.

My aunt and sunday school teacher stuck my nose in the bible, made me sit there, and taught me, from the Book, that 'Jesus loves the little children, all the children of the world...' That propositional truth from the Bible showed me I could never be a racist. Racism did not comport with the reality of creation, as revealed to us in God’s revelation. (I think T. Jefferson had the same source).

One additional point, janet, because you used a phrase that I find troubling.

In civilized discourse, there are statements about which I cannot "agree to disagree."

You wrote, "okay, I'm going to agree to disagree on HIV as a plot against blacks..."

No. I won't "agree to disagree" on that. I might "agree to disagree" with you on whether Bill Moyers is a good journalist, or who should be our next President. But I shall not "agree to disagree" on 'AIDS as a US government conspiracy. I likewise won't "agree to disagree" with anyone who denies there was a holocaust in 1936-45. I won't "agree to disagree" that 'one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter,' and I won't "agree to disagree" that one racial group is superior to another. Those things are, to use another popular metaphor, "Non-starters." They are non-negotiable. I will not "agree to disagree," and I respectfully suggest to you that you should not either.

I don't understand, Janet.

It is one of two things. Either Barack Obama is right, and Wright's comments "rightly offend all Americans, and they should be denounced,"* or else Wright is an important, valid voice in public affairs who has been wrongly denounced by Obama.

Which is it for you?

(I suppose there is a third option, but I suspect that few of Bill Moyers' loyal viewers would bite. The third option is that Obama 'condemned' Wright for pure political expediency, but he doesn't really mean it. In which case Obama is a remarkably duplicitous figure.)

*Per Obama's statement yesterday

Well, Susan, your disingenous and I'm dishonest but all in all, I feel like I'm in good company.

Charles, you are absolutely fixated on two points and with that you indict the entire credibility of a man and his life's work. I am under no illusion that I am going to change that for you.

My point, which apparently was too nuanced, was that when the first wave of AIDS cases arrived, the national response under Reagan was to ignore. However, gays are as a group more well educated and thus better paid. ANd they used all of their clout to bring attention to the issues. And some of their most strident activists were likewise branded as crazies. But they did an amazing thing. They did get funding for HIV/AIDS research and treatment that made a difference. They were pretty activist with their own people and for a time waged pretty effective safer sex campaigns. Now I claim to be no expert on HIV/AIDS health policy but a widely impacted group who is not particularly well funded or activist is IV drug users and women. Blacks are disproportionately represented in this group. These are facts. These are facts that have a face and a name to probably Reverend Wright and many others.

The systematic skewing of how health care gets parsed out in the US has disproportionately impacted lower income folks and working poor. Again, blacks are disproportionately represented in that number. Now you can pretend whatever you want...that the trends are not real, don't impact important people, do not disproportionately affect blacks (and women and immigrants and children) but all of us this is nonetheless true. Reverend Wright speaks to those real inequities. He obviously does it at times in a ham fisted way. SOme would say he's not the best spokesman but like others before him, he has the podium for right now.

It is very entirely predictable that some folks will choose to villify him and discredit wholesale his message. That way nothing has to be done.

But people who are not so closed off should say, "okay, I'm going to agree to disagree on HIV as a plot against blacks. And I'm going say that I don't like his friends. But what does this man who has been working in the trenches with disenfranchised people know that I need to know?" There is plenty.

And as for Obama. And the Reverend. What a sad situation for both of them. Obama will disavow him because for the black and white thinkers in the US (here well represented) there is not one other thing he can do to try to save his political life.

I've had my issues with Obama and I was behind John Edwards. I have not made up my mind about what I will do in November. But this incident is clearly the swift-boating of Obama and it is also a smackdown to any one who would talk about the issues of the poor and the disenfranchised.

Susan, you're being disingenuous. Rev. Wright brought up the Tuskegee experiment in order to scare his listeners into thinking that it was quite likely that the U.S. government similarly created the AIDS virus. It is a hateful lie to suggest that, no matter how nuanced you may want to be.

Barack Obama knew that, and that is why he condemned Rev. Wright in the strongest possible terms.

Rev. Wright's suggestion of a government AIDS conspiracy to his listeners (one poll suggests that 26% of black Americans share that view) is, in my humble opinion, very near to a form of hate-speech, so offensive it is to our civilized society and to rational discourse.

Let's be clear about why Wright would do such a thing. It is utterly inexplicable on theological grounds to scare a susceptible audience and plant such falsehoods with them. But it is explainable if Wright views himself as a quasi-politician, a local kingamker in Chicago ward politics, where he is saying to his congregants: "Don't believe what you hear in the news. I know better. The U.S. government is evil and it is out to get you, but there is hope for you with my church. I'll help you decide who to vote for, and you can believe that those candidates will be here to pay tribute to me and this congregation. I had breakfast with Bill Clinton. I am friends with Jesse Jackson. Every Democrat running for President, or Governor, or Senator, will call me to ask for my support."

That is the utterly corrupt world of Wright's theology.

Once again we are not aware of the destruction we are causing. Some of us know better, other don't even care. Here we have two people representing others, acting like children. We all know racism still exist. Among our own races and against others. Because ignorant adults taught their children how to hate. I think if we focus more on what God's plan for our lives then what this person thinks,has or done; this world would definitely be more peaceful. We take too much time trying to satisfy everyone. That is God's job. People stop playing GOD and let his will be done. If we could come together in prayer as much as we come together to tear one another down, the world would be a better place. But the book of Revelation prepares us for this time. Be wise in your decision making and listen to GOD not just what you hear and see!

Lyn from MD - well said. Have you considered running for office? :-)

To Appalled, to address your views: As to the AIDS statement in Rev. Wright's sermon, when I first heard in the sound bite, I was appalled, too. I couldn't believe a learned man like him would say something so ludicrous. However, when I saw the context in which he said it, I understood. He was saying that instead of putting our trust in government, we should put our trust in God. He cited the infamous Tuskegee experiment where black men were infected with syphilis. He said he wouldn't be surprised if AIDS had been planted, etc. He wasn't saying it had happened - just that, governments can do bad to people. So don't put your trust in governments. Put your trust in God.

It is our faith in Christ that leads us to speak up on behalf of the downtrodden, the exploited, the poor, and the oppressed. Please see Luke 4:18-21. Also interesting to note: After Jesus preached that sermon, they tried to throw him off a cliff! Folks haven't changed much over the centuries, it seems. A church that has gone from 87 to 8000 members must be bringing people to Christ. As I said, I know people who go there and the church has a marvelous ministry.

Mr. Brown, as for Louis Farrakhan, Rev. Wright said he was a great voice because so many people listen to him - like the old E.F. Hutton commercials. He said he doesn't agree with him, but if someone can get a million folks to stand on the Washington Mall, then you can't discount the power that person has.

As for "terrorism" in war -if you were an innocent civilian and a bomb landed on your house, killing your family; or your loved ones were hauled away and tortured by commandos trained in the United States (School of the Americas in GA), wouldn't you feel like you'd been terrorized? If that happened here in the US, we'd be the first ones to scream "terrorism."

So many people want to say that we're a Christian nation. OK, assuming for argument that that is true, then what happened to confession of national sin and repentance? What kind of Christian goes around saying they have done no wrong, that they're morally superior to all others, use up a huge chunk of the world's resources, launch pre-emptive strikes on others? Would we think that person was acting as a Christian should? No! The Bible is replete with national calls to repentance. Please see Hosea, Amos, Micah, Joel, Obadiah, Jonah, Nahum, and many other biblical books.

I would like to say one main point. I am of African American decent. None of had a choice on what our race would be God did when he created us. He created us each different. But why must we as a people continue to find faults in others be it Pastors, Politicians, everyday people. I wish many of us could just keep our free minds we had as children. Ignorant adults teach our children were different. Whether it is your color, a disability or whatever.We all have a history and a past. Talk about it, yes. Dwell on it NO. Learn from it. When will we learn from it? Life is too short to discuss the small stuff...I feel sorry for us all, because believing this, believing that. Believe in God, pray about the decisions you make and the RIGHT person will be our PRESIDENT!

Brava, Lyn, for your thoughtful comments, in particular "The problem is, most of Barack's supporters ended up embracing Pastor Wright, after seeing the PBS, Bill Moyers interview, and with Barack now, rejecting Pastor Wright, it is surely looking like Barack is just a politician."

I admit that I assumed that the Rev. Wright must be a "wackadoodle" until I listened to the Moyers interview and two of the Rev's sermons; I saw that the inflammatory soundbites (chickens coming home to roost, G-D America), were part of an argument more nuanced and supportable when heard in context.

I'm not yet ready to join the Jeremiah Wright Fan Club, but I do wish that we'd stop demonizing the man, stop forcing Barack Obama to defend or denounce him, and get on with life. The Rev himself can get back to ministering to his congregation.

Dr, The thing that scares me the most is someone like you is in a position to teach our children your leftwing propaganda.By the way, I'm black !

The only people who don't believe that America could even possibly be damned are those who are causing it to possibly be damned.

I watched and listened carefully to Bill Moyers' interview with the Reverend Jeremiah Wright, and I also watched the segment with Wright on 'The NewsHour With Jim Lehrer' for April 28, 2008. The Reverend Wright is a charming, charismatic person who says exactly what he thinks. In the main I agree with his statements. I am Caucasian, but I have taught African-American literature for decades, and I also have many African-American friends. On the basis of what I have learned from them, and also from the writing of Richard Wright, James Baldwin, Ralph Ellison, and other black authors, I understand why the Reverend Wright said what he did. Were I black, I would say 'G-d damn America' as well. I'll say it anyhow, because the country with its insatiable appetite for war is rapidly becoming the most corrupt and dangerous nation in history.

"The whole commerce between master and slave is a perpetual exercise of the most boisterous passions, the most unremitting despotism on the one part, and degrading submissions on the other. Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice cannot sleep forever."

-Thomas Jefferson damning America (1781)

Thank you PBS for this great interview.

Fox News has people convinced that the litmus test for a good interview is how often the host badgers or interrupts the interviewee. Thank you for reminding us that a lot can be learned by listening.

First, I definitely differ with the Rev. on certain points on the spread of HIV/AIDS, drugs etc. They are all very conspiratorial. But, by the same token, anything, though improbable, is still possible. Overall, I see a good man in Rev. Wright who harbors a few dissenting opinions with which I vastly disagree. I also think Mr. Moyers could have been a lot tougher on those issues. This was not a horrible interview, not an A, but not horrible.

Oh come on, Janet. Your response is practically dishonest in its non-responsiveness. What Rev. Wright said about AIDS wasn't nuanced. He wasn't making any sympathetic points about gay life in America. you'd have to question the gay rights credentials of anyone who so enthusiastically praises Louis Farrakhan anyway, wouldn't you? Wright CHOSE to exploit a comparison to the infamous "Tuskegee experiment" in his mention of AIDS and the government. He referred the National Press Club to a book by a notorious conspiracy theorist. Those aren't nuanced, intelligent responses by Wright. What it is, is pandering, to the lowest and least-informed among Wright's select audience. It is shameful, intolerable. Barack Obama said so; do you somehow not agree with Obama's pronouncement on the subject?

First, I definitely differ with the Rev. on certain points on the spread of HIV/AIDS, drugs etc. They are all very conspiratorial. But, by the same token, anything, though improbable, is still possible. Overall, I see a good man in Rev. Wright who harbors a few dissenting opinions with which I vastly disagree. I also think Mr. Moyers could have been a lot tougher on those issues. This was not a horrible interview, not an A, but not horrible.

I peruse the blogs almost everyday since Barack began his campaign. I love Barack and I will support him in the General, but I think Barack has made a BIG mistake in the way he handled the Jeremiah Wright issue.

I thought his speech on race relations was needed and the right thing to do, but I feel that when those sound bites first appeared, Barack should have immediately diffused the situation by stating adamantly, that his former pastor is not a racist, and he does not hate America. He should have followed that up with, he is just very passionate and concerned about the state of black America, and he teaches and preaches black pride, and how to better the black family and community. There is nothing racist in that. Just like Jews, and the Irish, and other nationalities take pride in and celebrate their ethnicities, and help their communities.

He should have made it clear that Pastor Wright never preached black supremacy, or hate for any other race. He should have made it very clear that as far as the sound bites were concerned, not only was he not in attendance on those days, but he would have to first view the sermons for context before he could make a comment on them. He should have ended it with, Pastor Wright may seem a little eccentric and he is very animated, but he is also an American patriot who voluntarily served his country, and if you give him a chance and get to know him, you may actually like him.

He should have stated the above, and when repeatedly asked about Pastor Wright, he could have said, I already addressed that issue and I have no further comment. That would have killed two birds with one stone. It would have saved Pastor Wright's standing and reputation, and it would have eliminated the powder keg that Hillary, the media, and the GOP thought they had, thereby saving Barack's and Pastor Wright's relationship and any drama surrounding the campaign. It also would have eliminated the need for Pastor Wright, to have to come out and clear his name and his church.

Instead, now we have utter chaos and it's really sad. The black community is surely feeling slighted now. But I myself, personally took an affront, when Barack first denounced and rejected Louis Farrakhan. Not because I am a member of his organization, but because Barack originally stated that he didn't need to reject Farrakhan because he neither sought Farrakhan's support and Farrakhan didn't offer any support. Why didn't he just stick to that statement, which was true, and didn't offend anyone, and end it with I will not discourage any person or group from voting for me, and I have no further comment. Next question? Barack does not have to have an answer for every absurd or racially biased question the media or Hillary throws at him. He certainly doesn't have to answer to Hillary at all. He also should start answering the cookie-cutter, corporate run media with: I don't know, what did the other candidates say when you asked them this question? If black America can forgive for 400 years of slavery and discrimination and oppression, then white or Jewish America can forgive Louis Farrakhan for sentiments that he held over 20 years ago. After all, no one died, at the hands of Louis Farrakhan, and he is trying to redeem himself, and has been for some time, now.

The problem is, most of Barack's supporters ended up embracing Pastor Wright, after seeing the PBS, Bill Moyer’s interview, and with Barack now, rejecting Pastor Wright, it is surely looking like Barack is just a politician. With 90 percent of African Americans voting for Barack and with Bararck denouncing Farrakhan with his thousands of supporters, and Jeremiah Wright, he may be jeopardizing some of his black support, trying to woo a segment of whites who support Hillary, but will never support him, a black person. It is also making him appear wishy-washy, which leads to his integrity being tested. Pastor Wright could have and should have been an asset to Barack and his campaign. He didn't place himself in the lime-light, the media did. Barack needs to stand firm, go with his first instincts, and stop second guessing his decisions. That will show him as a strong leader. He can't please everyone, so, stop stepping on the toes of those who do support you, trying to win over those who will never support you, if only because of your race.

He should have introduced Pastor Wright to the American public at the onset of his campaign, like he originally intended to do. Barack needs to remember that there was an outcry over the statement that his wife made about being proud for the first time in her adult life. I personally thought there was nothing wrong with her statement. No one can claim ownership of another's feelings, or life experiences. Demanding that she owed America an apology was ludicrous. She was called anti-American, uppity, and some people still to this day, don't like her. Some wanted him to reject and denounce her. The buck needs to stop somewhere in this campaign.

In closing, I would like to reiterate that Barack stand firm on his decisions, and stop second guessing himself. He needs to remember that no matter what he does, he will not win over everyone. He needs to stop letting the media run him and his campaign--that shows weakness. He does not need to do anymore debates with Hillary, unless he, the front-runner feels a debate will be to his advantage. He needs to stop pacifying Hillary, stop speaking for her, and making excuses for her bad judgment--this is a competition and she would never do the same for him. In fact most of his problems can be attributed to her, her husband, her campaign and her supporters. He needs to stay focused on the economy, jobs, skyrocketing food, gas, and utility prices, the housing market and foreclosures, healthcare and education. Since the media is hell-bent on making her campaign significant, when everyone else knows that it is not, then Barack should just ignore her and focus on John McCain.

If the democrats are not in charge with Barack as our nominee, then Hillary surely will not be either. I think Barack should run as an Independent. If not, I certainly will not vote for John McCain. I will vote for Nader.

Susan | April 30, 2008 12:01 PM
"The role of the pastor - in the black or white church - is to speak truth to power. That is part of our prophetic role."

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Reverend is embroiled in controversy because he has used his clergy position to espouse ideas that are not connected to the teachings of Jesus Christ. In his position, he has told [paraphrase] people that the US govt. created the AIDS virus to kill black people. In his position, he has told [paraphrased] people that the US govt. brings drugs into black communities to imprison blacks. Telling these things to people will, probably, not lead them any closer to accept God's free gift of salvation in Jesus Christ, which is the most important thing he could ever do. And, that's why I am appalled.

Charles, my Pastor preaches that birth control is bad. I tend to get my health information from health resources. (I'm a nurse.)

While I do not think that the authorities "created" HIV for blacks, American policy certainly selects who gets health care. And I think history indicates that it took strong gay activism to mobilize an American HIV response. You can say that the government was slow to respond or that they were slow to respond becauses of the de-valuation of gays but the net impact was the same. A lot of gays died and the AIDS epidemic amplified.

When my son was little we would watch a movie and he would ask (about characters), "Is he bad?" And we'd give it to him in a nutshell.

But you seem to have the same taxonomy as my then pre-schooler. People are either good or bad, right or wrong. I would suggest to you that Rev. Wright is not always right but he does have something to say and maybe you ought to listen.

I want to hammer this point for Pastor Susan's benefit one more time. These are the words of Barack Obama as he figuratively threw Rev. Wright overboard, concering the statements that much of the world found to be loony, but about which Bill Moyers never asked Wright.

Senator Barack Obama:
"Now, I've already denounced the comments that had appeared in these previous sermons. As I said I had not heard them before. And I gave him the benefit of the doubt in my speech in Philadelphia, explaining that he has done enormous good in the church, he's built a wonderful congregation, the people of Trinity are wonderful people, and what attracted me has always been their ministry's reach beyond the church walls. But when he states and then amplifies such ridiculous propositions as the U.S. government somehow being involved in AIDS; when he suggests that Minister Farrakhan somehow represents one of the greatest voices of the 20th and 21st century; when he equates the United States' wartime efforts with terrorism, then there are no excuses. They offend me, they rightly offend all Americans, and they should be denounced. And that's what I'm doing very clearly and unequivocally here today."

Apparently, Susan disagrees with Obama, when he asserted that those comments should "offend all Americans." So I'd like her to explain her thinking at this point.

It might also be nice if, in his next program, Bill Moyers were to address the nature and content of his remarkably un-revealing interview with Wright, and how he apparently missed so much of Wright's real thinking.

Susan, as an assistant pastor, are you comfortable with Rev. Wright having preached that the inception and spread of the AIDS virus may have been plotted by the U.S. government through the CIA? Do you think that serves the interest of the church and the community? Do you not think that such statements are an affront and an abomination to persons who are HIV-positive and who live in fear of AIDS?

Do you think that Barack Obama was right, or wrong, to condemn the comments of Rev. Wright ON MONDAY OF THIS WEEK, about the origin and spread of AIDS, or his praise for Minister Louis Farrakhan, or his comparison of the American military to terrorists? Clearly and unequivocally, those comments were an offense to Barack Obama. Do you think that Obama is somehow mistaken in his response to Rev. Wright's comments?

Thank you, Bill Moyers, for presenting the interview with Rev. Wright.

Based on comments here, I decided to look for myself at the speech Rev. Wright gave at the National Press Club. There was nothing out of line at all with what he said. Rather than posturing, he said it like it is. I am a white minister of the Gospel and have studied liberation theology and MLK in depth. Rev. Wright's comments were right in line with the kinds of theology studied in accredited seminaries. He is absolutely correct that the dominant society has no idea what the black church is about. There is great misunderstanding out there, especially among us whites.

What I am hearing in some of the comments is an incorrect assumption: that if you are pro-black, you are automatically anti-white. (I call it "white fear" - our society instills it in us, sadly.) Rev. Wright is pro-everybody, regardless of color. (I know white folks who've been members of his church for years and believe me, they would not stand for any kind of racism.) Trinity UCC is about black empowerment, which means they work to help black people become the people God meant them to be. It doesn't mean they oppress or hate white people. On the contrary! They are proud to be black, as others of us are proud (in the good sense)of our various heritages.

The role of the pastor - in the black or white church - is to speak truth to power. That is part of our prophetic role. Rev. Wright has been speaking truth to our government as the Bible teaches us to do. We are to speak up when we believe the nation is committing sin. He has done that, and I applaud his courage. Yes, his style is "bombastic" to European ears. But that's how they preach in many African-American churches. The same inflection is used if the preacher is calling other black folks to account.

And that comment about being Vice President - he was clearly joking. Don't be so serious, y'all.

I remain surprised that there are still people who defend the Moyers interview as having shown the "true" Jeremiah Wright, when Barack Obama himself now says that after 20 years, he now feels that he doesn't know the person that Wright has become.

It is simple. Moyers' goal was to help "sell" Wright to the American public. The National Press Club's goal was to question Wright. That fundamental difference puts Bill Moyers to shame, as a professional journalist.

None of what has happened to Wright over the course of the past week is the result of editing or sound bites. Wright had his full address to the Detroit NAACP broadcast in full and live on two national cable networks. At the National Press Club, he had a chance to speak fully on his own prior to answering queations. Then, the questions themselves were moderated and the answers were unedited as I viewed it.

I was one of many millions who correctly appraised Wright as soon as I saw him.

The questions now are why did Obama not see this coming before, and why did Bill Moyers' interview obscure the reality that Wright demonstrated on his own just a few days later?

Coronado | April 30, 2008 09:48 AM
You quoted the Christian Scripture James 3:7-10.

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I agree with you! And, I don't think some of Reverend Wright's comments follow Christian Scripture, and that's why I am appalled.

James 3:7-10
7 For every kind of beast and bird, of reptile and creature of the sea, is tamed and has been tamed by mankind. 8 But no man can tame the tongue. It is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison. 9 With it we bless our God and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in the similitude of God. 10 Out of the same mouth proceed blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not to be so.

I heard Bill Moyers excellent interview and I agree with Rev. Wright, which is why the media is really to blame for allowing distorted messages which do not show the whole picture to be presented. Of course big media conglomerates are afraid of Obama because if he kills the special interests, who will advertise on their network? It is so hypocritical for the FCC to get huffy and fine the network's about Janet Jackson's boob and yet do NOTHING about allowing network's to air distorted excerpts from speeches. Tell me, which one corrupts the moral fiber of this country more? Thank God for Bill Moyers and shame on the FCC and the networks.

Posted by: Amy Miller | April 30, 2008 12:05 AM
"...I have learned through the Rev. Wright incident and through this blog. I appreciate the willingness of people (such as "Appalled") to help me understand their views..."

RESPONSE:
Amy, I have learned a lot from you and others who have posted on this blog. As I have stated previously, too many Christian leaders dive too deeply into the political arena. At times, this may be necessary, but I believe that Reverend Wright goes too far, unnecessarily. And, I don't understand why people say "prophetic" or the "prophetic black church." I believe Jesus Christ was the last "real" prophet. There are a lot of people today, who say they are prophets, and only God will be able to properly judge those who deceptively tout themseleves as prophets. As I opened up my daily Scripture lesson, this is what it said.

Ephesians 4:30-31 (Apostle Paul writing)
"And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were
sealed for the day of redemption. Get rid of all bitterness, rage
and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice."

I was impressed with the reasonable way Moyers spoke to Wright which was a very different style to the rude style of Bill O'Reilly. FoxMedia (Faux) spend an inordinate amount of time on this matter. Thank God for Larry King and the BBC News. I suppose you Americans have an egocentric view of the world. Your economy was built on slavery and later low paid employees.

Richard,
Your words are so insightful. We are allowing those who would destroy our nation in their continued quest for power and money. Senator Obama is that voice of change and the 'powers' that be are trying to silence him. But, this is America and we have the freedom to oppose this nonsense. We can push back as citizens by doing 3 things:
1) Click PBS home page, click 'support PBS' and make a donation of any size to this great network. Also, report 'user' abuse from right winged news anchors,hiding behind user names. You can tell who they are because their posts stop when they have to go on air.

2) Start a petition letter and send it in to the networks that allow these knuckleheads to spew their venom. Refuse to support their sponsors. They will listen.

3)Volunteer to help the candidate of your choice. Join their campaign.Work harder than ever to get them elected. Let's show the media that 'dirty' politics don't work. It's a new day in America. It's up to us to get that message out. Do not be willing participants in this nasty mind game that the political pundits are playing.
IT'S TIME FOR A CHANGE!

In the 21th century of America, some use religion to get elected and further personal agenda for enrichment of a few in the name of the God. However, the real religon leader speaking with a belief that there is a higher order than the government will be crucified.
There is a good reason why our media would pay more attention to what a pastor said than what Bush did. Those who control our nation resist the candidate who can possibly bring in changes.

In the 21th century of America, some use religion to get elected and further personal agenda for enrichment of a few in the name of the God. However, the real religon leader speaking with a belief that there is a higher order than the government will be crucified.
There is a good reason why our media would pay more attention to what a pastor said than what Bush did. Those who control our nation resist the candidate who can possibly bring in changes.

Odd. I still think Moyers did the right thing in letting Wright tell his side of the story, since he had been maligned for weeks without getting such an opportunity from the mainstream media. Yet having watched the National Press Club comments, I just found him inappropriately goofy. Not hate-filled, not ideological, just goofy like the class clown. Like, "what on earth is he smoking?"

Mr Moyers, you're a hack journalist. The only thing that makes me angry is that you get paid with public money. Some of it - mine. I never witnessed such a fluff reporting job in my whole life. Rev. Jeremiah Wright needs to repent. This whole idea of bits of his speeches being taken out of context is a joke. You are a intelligent man that does not tell the truth anymore. 'Pride comes before a fall'.

Judi,
One strike and you're out? PBS as a whole is responsible for one interview for all time? As a sinner myself, I hope you're not a friend or family member of mine 'cause I screw up a lot more than that and I need forgiveness.

I have read with considerable interest, the many posts pro and con the whole Rev. Wright debacle. Many of these posts have been insightful and educational. Others have shown that some people are in need of enlightenment on the issues and concerns of different cultural groups and their experiences. Some posts have shown downright ignorance.

I do appreciate the Moyer's interview with Rev. Wright last Friday. It "did" give people an opportunity to see a different side of the man.
I was impressed with all of his accomplishments in his own and the larger African-American community. He established a very dynamic and self-sufficient church work which began with merely 80 or so parishioners and grew to almost 10,000. That's pretty inpressive in this day and age. His contributions to God's work with the varied ministries can never be taken from him....period.

On the other hand, dear Rev. Wright definetly needs to re-evaluate himself before the larger body of Christ. He has offended many people with his beliefs, diction, rhetoric, and I'd also say...melodramatic style.
We are encouraged to be examples of the believers in "word and spirit" and to "not sin, by offending our brothers and sisters."

Unfortunately, in the past few days, Rev. Wright has done just that. The persons he has hurt most in this situation is Obama, his family, and perhaps his church. As I watched each of the news speeches of Wright and that of Obama, I saw two people very hurt and alienated in some ways. It's hard to come away from looking at this situation without seeing the hurt of each one.

I hope that each one will learn to forgive and simply...eventually get over it. I still say that much of Wright WAS IN FACT" taken out of context....the media outlets did not give him the benefit of presenting his whole sermons.

And yet on the other hand, I DO NOT feel that Wright had a positive way of articulating himself at all. His way of articulation reminded me so much of the old stereotypes of Black men acting in Black face. He made himself a living, moving caricature before the public. No minister or pastor I've ever known (my grandfather was an old-time Methodist minister) has made the type of inappropriate innuendos I witnessed in his lecturing and preaching skits. Wright of course should know better. No wonder people are offended.

And having said that, I do think more could have been understood and received by him had he approached those delicate subjects pertaining to American history differently. He didn't have to "colorize" and emotionally act out his speeches.

But having stated that, had Wright been a better, more positive message bearer, he could have truly educated people on the history of maltreatments to ethnic people abroad and to American minorities. His delivery was rather crude and simply wrong.

Through it all, I hope we can all learn to listen to one another and learn to discuss issues more intelligently. Wright made specific charges pertaining to the American government and the spread of AIDS virus in the Black community, terrorism, etc. Further, Wright discussed the whole Biblical explanation of the laws of "sowing and reaping", terrorism, the education of Blacks, etc.

He would have been better served had he provided references from the materials he read and studied, rather than through out emotionally. For example, someone here discussed our government's interest in and participation in scientific studies using human subjects. Pharmeceutical companies have also participated in these studies as well, Whether we are refering to the Tuskgeehee study or the rise of HIV virus, there are some legitimate questions about these matters. My point is, there are some points to be explored in what Wright said, he just wasn't the messenger to do it.

He would have been better served to offer seminars at his church, opportunities, for research, etc to help the public become educated on those issues. Lastly, I'd like to say to those who persist in thinking otherwise, the Black Theology Movement is about community involement, self-help and self-responsibility. It is NOT about seperatism and exclusion. Many "Black Empowerment" and "Black Theologies" were born from struggles and rejection from the larger community. Whites don't have to have these community outreach efforts since the mainstream culture represents them anyway. This is very confusing to good white folks, because they falsely assume that Blacks are only seperating themselves. Again, Wright would have presented the cause of Black self-help much better had he chose his words and actions more carefully....listened to others to guard his words and actions, and reacted fairly and respectfully. This is where Wright ultimately failed.

I watch PBS all the time and enjoy most of there programs but they flunked miserably on this one. I will not support them anymore and that saddens me. Because like I said I really enjoyed there programs. I could have given a better interview. Shame on Mr. Moyers for not exposing Wright for who he really is.

Well, now,,,
First we have an interview which supports the premise that Rev. Wright is mis-used and misunderstood because he is being smeared by sound bites. Mr. Moyers fully supports this premise in his questions and comments. The "saint" leaves, halo restored. Then, the "saint" shows his true self in the various speeches, presentations, etc in which he loudly states everything he and Moyers agreed were trumped up. Then, I read an article from Rolling Stone (Feb. 22, 2007) in which words from a Rev. Wright sermon are included. The same hate-filled tirade as shown in the videos and recently as yesterday's live performances.

Mr. Moyers must (should) be embarrassed to have the wool pulled over his eyes. He should have done more research into the Reverend's beliefs and comments prior to the show and should have taken him to task for his comments. Bill should have asked him to explain rather than allow him to claim it was taken out of context. Veracity - the truth - is the first law of journalism. Mr. Moyers broke that law. I don't understand his rationale for that decision but it does sadden me.

I am a firm supporter of public television and will not allow this one experience dampen my support of PBS.

"Lily" referred to the Bible (I think mainly the OT) in asking whether pastors should make political statements. Although that's a good place to start, I think it may be one of the areas in the Bible where we do have to look at the differences in culture and communication between ancient Israel and contemporary America. In the former case, a prophet would generally speak to his people face-to-face; if it was not possible for someone to hear the original sermon, he or she would receive it by work of mouth from someone who was there. It was pretty clear what these prophets meant: there were no out-of-context sound bites and no cultural divides. In our society we are constantly bombarded with messages that we have little or no time to listen to. We have many subcultures within our greater culture, so the words used by Rev. Wright (or even the late Rev. Jerry Falwell) have different connotations for their immediate followers than for many in the culture at large. After all, when we study the Bible and don't just read the words, we learn the various contexts and assumptions of the societies in which they were originally written. This requires patience and commitment.
Remarkably (to me, anyway) I have learned through the Rev. Wright incident and through this blog. I appreciate the willingness of people (such as "Appalled") to help me understand their views. I am really, really tired of the polarization of this nation. I think we really need to think about issues such as how much of a role we want our religious leaders to have in public life. I think that we need to revisit such fundamental aspects of public life, especially in light of the changes in communication and media in the past few years. I have said before on this blog that the Devil divides where Christ unites; I believe this and I believe the Devil has been very active in dividing us recently. We tend to be touchy about our beliefs and therefore emotionally reactive in debate. I tend to think that it would be more productive if we focused on identifying the real questions we are grappling with (e.g. do we want politics in the pulpit) rather than engaging in personal attacks.
I have been looking forward for quite some time to moving on from the kind of politics that seeks to discredit and defame. This kind of campaigning results in a lack of respect for the process and for any candidate who ultimately wins. How can a candidate expect to be respected as a leader when he or she takes pot shots at opponents? All of the current major Democratic and Republican candidates for President have been the target of vicious rumor campaigns that have distracted from the real issues.
Sorry if this has been a rambling post, but I wanted to point out that the real Enemy is not liberals or conservatives, blacks or whites or Asians. When we pray the Psalms we pray for the defeat of our enemies, but as a priest recently pointed out to his listeners, we have only one enemy- the Devil.
Let's give the Devil the boot- and God bless us everyone.

Dear Mr. Moyers.

I have watched you and your programs since the 1980’s and have enjoyed and agreed with most everything you stand for. We are very much aligned ideologically and politically while sharing a certain activist bent and genuine empathy for the injustices in this world. Your insight is profound. I have on many occasions called you my hero, and wished I chose journalism as a career. However, your interview of Rev. Jeremiah Wright left me disappointed and empty.

I listened intently to your broadcast and tried to be fair in my observation, since I have so much respect for you and your views. I felt it necessary to give both you and Rev. Wright the benefit of the doubt, considering his public vilification over the youtube video clips portraying him as a virulent, angry militant black man with an agenda. Your delicate treatment of his controversial, divisive, inflammatory views and ideology gave him a forum to temper his views into acceptance. The delivery of a message can alter the message itself, and your program changed that very same message, sugar coating the one he was delivering with anger, bitterness, and vitriol in his pulpit with one of clarity and objectivity in the name of religion and God. His pleasant demeanor and softly spoken word was only interrupted when he described slamming babies heads against rocks, as though this violent image froze his reason, wrapping up his train of thought in revenge. He seemed to enjoy that image.

Mr. Wright uses all the same techniques he accuses corporate media of and abuses his pulpit to promote an ideology that is vengeful and bitter, using historical sound bites in his sermons to sway his congregation - Instigating bitterness and anger to promote change and divisiveness. Rev. Wright’s examples of history lacked context, yet his accusation is that corporate media has pigeon holed him using his own words to promote an idea. I find this hypocritical. Now he is trying to shift the focus from his impact on the Obama campaign to how the whole affair was about how the black church is portrayed as militant, radical, and misunderstood. His snide and condescending tone was clear, and focused on the negatives of human history, while failing to provide hope or any positive ideas like many of your other guests who have similar views about America’s history of racial oppression and inequality permeating our society.

In addition, Rev. Wright is an apologist for African American mistakes and individual character flaws, blaming white America for African American problems. I am by no means minimizing or marginalizing racism or racial oppression in American History. This tragedy cannot be ignored but at the same time, those of us that do not engage in that kind of behavior are not to blame for mistakes made in the African American community. My views are not formulated within the frame of reference of not experiencing oppression. Give those of us that do not subscribe to these behaviors credit for understanding the concept of racial and ethnic inequality and oppression. Rev. Wright prefers to generalize and blame all of white America for right wing conservative prejudicial ideology.

The whole interview sounded a lot like back peddling, trying to explain away his anger and vengeful nature displayed in his sermons. He showed no love, compassion nor forgiveness and reconcilement, which is what religion is supposed to teach. Now that he has stepped down from his post as Pastor of his church, he is taking advantage of the publicity to further his cause and his wallet. I see an opportunist, and you presented leading questions for him to justify his position, providing the springboard to fame and fortune. I guess if it wasn’t you, it would have been Charlie Rose.

Mr. Moyers, your broadcasts always centers on injustice, inequality and how democracy can be derailed because of human nature - traits such as power, greed, and the callous quest for “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” – at the expense of others. How did this broadcast fit in with your bigger agenda of acting as a voice to highlight these injustices? If you believe that Rev. Wright was treated unfairly in the media, then please explain how, with the eloquence and painful honesty you are known for, and not let your journal act as a pulpit for a man to spread his bitterness and anger disguised as a religious activist for race relations.

The Rev. Mr. Wright made a positive impression during his interview with Mr. Moyers. Nothing else that the media reported about the man the rest of the weekend made a positive impression.

Hey Michele, is your last name Obama ?

I was not surprised when on the morning of Sept the 11th 2001, I heard that the World Trade Center was attacked! "Americas chickens had come home to roast." It's not the greatest of phrases, but it's true.
I've listened to Wright's three events from this weekend and I have to say, that as an Irish emigrant living here for twenty years I understand and agree with everything he says. He is right on! He is not running for office, he does not have to be politically correct. I hear echoes of Martin Luther King's denunciation of America, as well as Martin Luther Kings love of America in his words. There is no hate in his speech. Anger, yes! But also hope. The audacity of hope...and anger...and truth!
There are differences between the races! And there is at least subtle racism everywhere.
This country was built on as much terrorism as heroism but we would would rather believe the fairy tales. Wright shows us a more realistic view and it's not a pretty sight.

The Rev. Mr. Wright impressed me in his interview with Mr. Moyers. He said much that we need to say and hear. He speaks from what we know directly and indirectly about racism, imperialism, and out-of-control capitalism in the United States, but he still seems to distort what he says with a bitterness that undermines constructive responses to the problems we endure.

I appreciate that Mr. Moyers interviewed the Rev. Mr. Wright for an hour and gave him, what I think, is a fair hearing.

Discourse should be carried out at this level: the courteous Rev. Wright allows us to weigh his perspective, and the less excitable among us see much to ponder. An admirable interview.

What a pity the attention of the body politic is limited to the duration of a TV ad (and what a tragedy that so admirable a person as Mr Obama should be so hasty today as to condemn the reverend from fresh hearsay, and so fall into its trap).

And when all is said and done, most of us will believe what we want to believe.

Thx to Bill and PBS for the Wright interview. Once again I was reminded why Bill Moyers is the only hour of American TV I watch.

Well, I watched the interview and I watched the sermons....and felt I'd been suckered by the MSM. Then, I watched Rev. Wright do everything he could to ruin Mr. Obamas' chances to win the nomination and felt I'd been suckered by Rev. Wright. Good God, this nation is one f***ed up mess. There is no hope for the good-hearted people in this land. We're doomed.

It will not be lost on Mr. Moyers that several times in referring to the Friday night interview during his remarks on Monday, Reverend Wright announced, somewhat as an aside, that oh, that particular part of the interview was cut. I think we all have been played, by someone who has a very mixed up opinion of himself, of people in general, and if it has already been stated that these are the actions of someone of malicious intent against a presidential candidate, then I join that side of the argument.

The Reverend dissembles. He has made himself the center of attention in order to bring down Mr. Obama because the latter separated himself from his histrionics.

This is very sad for both of them. I do not think this display of egotism on the part of Pastor Wright is at all helpful. He actually joked about the manner of speech of John Kennedy, and he actually suggested (I suppose with a grin) himself as a vice presidential candidate.

I can understand why Mr. Obama was offended. Reverend Wright, with Mr. Moyers' perhaps unwitting help, entered the political arena while saying he is 'only' a pastor. It has been a display of malice, and it ought not have happened at this critical point. We should do better.

Michele did you not hear what Wright said? Problem is this man actually believes what he says. Why do you think Obama is distanting himself from him? You need to listen my dear girl. This man is a maniac.

Allyn---I couldn't agree with you more. I think even Obama feels he's lost this one. Although it is Wright who is acting like a fool Obama is getting the brunt of it. Wright scares me. I'm to a point I don't know who to believe anymore. I am disappointed in all three candidates. Our country is a mess. I want to vote and have no idea who to vote for. I don't think any of them of capable of running our Country. Sad truly sad!

Mr Wright seems to have a genuine love of all people, and it seems if we were to listen to his 'controversial' sermons in thier entirety, and with an open heart, there is much to be learned. I was actually moved by his "God damn America" sermon. It spoke of history to me, not hatred. To me, it meant that human beings never get into trouble if they follow God (I am agnostic, but the basic tennants apply). God will always be true, just, love all mankind regardless of nationality, race, etc...

Humans only get into trouble when they try to project the qualities they expect from thier God onto thier Governments. We the People, we as voters, as citizens, would never knowingly vote for someone, or some policy that could be percieved as evil. Therefore, we can get defensive if an action of our government is charactarized or criticized as being evil or of evil intent, as afterall, it is ulimately a judgement on us. And no one likes to be judged poorly.

I believe this is what Reverend Wright means... America is a product of man, not God. If the government of America by its policy commits acts that are condemmed by God, then God damns America- the government and its policies. We as the people behind it are ultimately held accountable, as governments are man- made. If we are blind to or justify away the death and misery that our government's policies cause others, the we have no right to judge the intent of another people for causing the same kind of misery and death. The result is the same regardless of the intent.

This does not mean we are cold blooded killers, it just means that if something we do ends up killing an innocent, we should see that for what it is and not do it again. A little empathy for the pain of others does a lot of good.

As humans we are falible. We can only make decisions based on the factors we know. We have a responsibility then, to observe the outcome to determine if our decisions led us down the path we intended. If all we do is get defensive and nationalistic in the face of any unintended offensive consequences of those decisions, then we are simply ignoring that we are on the wrong path. This can lead us nowhere, except further down the wrong path.

I believe that everyone on earth is responsible in some way, great or small for evils visited upon our brothers and neighbors- directly, unintentionally, or by inaction. If we can then acknowledge our hand in those offensive side-effects, then and only then can we can stop for a minute to see that we are on the wrong path. Only then can we change direction, choose more wisely, and find the right path.

I understand Senator Obama distancing himself from the soundbites, from the mis-perceptions, but I sincerely hope that more people, especially in our Government, take the time to listen to voices like Rev. Wright, and to remember to worship God if they so choose, but never government.

As an African-American, I became saddened when it became apparent only the most outrageous accusations of Wright's has often turned out to be the focus. After listening to him, I have found he not only has a grasp of history, but is extremely insightful, with the ability to explain the true calling of the black church-to call for justice and reconcilation. But when Rev. Wright yelled AIDS conspiracy from the pulpit and neither retracts nor provides proof for his accusations, his main message gets shunted by the wayside. And all some people get is AIDS and Farrakhan on the brain. I think Obama was geniune in his anger. The problem is, is some people, and I even read it happening on this blog, is that people will be inclined to dismiss the important truths that Wright brings up. And that I think is very sad. A baby out with the bath water kind of thing.

BTW: The African-American slave experience was unlike any other immigrant story i.e. Irish, Jewish, Polish, or even Afro-Carribean or Afro-Brazilian experience. Unique to this country was the idea that black slaves= animals, a critical distinction. The the legacy of which we ARE CURRENTLY dealing with.

America is & has been in a world of hurt as long as I can remember. For me it started with JFK's killing & LBJ lying about Vietnam & hurting this country to no ends. Now we have Bush & his staff running unchecked. I am not suprised that "The chickens are coming home to roost", just I am surprised 9/11 took so long. P.S. I am white & a disable veteran that has never voted for any politician and don't believe in the american dream anymore. You're all on your own, get used to it.

I just watched the NewsHour and saw Obama destroy any chance he had to be President.

Don't blame Dr. Wright for standing up and speaking truth to power. This was the time for Obama to step up and begin the dialog to heal the racial divide and bring this country together, but he played the safe game and lost the nomination. It was time to challenge Americans to live up to the ideals of America, to break from the old ways of fear, and Obama dropped the ball.

Dr. Wright, keep speaking truth to power. Don't let anyone silence you. Maybe the next Black candidate will have the strength to stand up and speak truth to the American people.

In January 2007 when the Dirty Tricks gang started trying to smear both Hillary and Obama--with the fake e-mails from Hillary's office about the madrasa garbage--I knew that events in this election would make the 2004 "swift boat" garbage look like an episode from Mr. Rogers Neighborhood. Obama is out, who knows what event will sink Hillary now. I suspect that come the convention neither Obama nor Hillary will be the choice.

The same thing happened in 1968. All the front runners built up a huge excitement about the election, bringing in new voters--young, ethnically diverse--but one by one the candidates took each other out, then Bobby Kennedy was assassinated, and all we were left with was Hubert Humphrey; so Nixon won.

The Democrats are self-destructing. Come the convention, a safe candidate, like Edwards or Gov. Billy, will be left to run against McCain, and McCain will win.

America is & has been in a world of hurt as long as I can remember. For me it started with JFK's killing & LBJ lying about Vietnam & hurting this country to no ends. Now we have Bush & his staff running unchecked. I am not suprised that "The chickens are coming home to roost", just I am surprised 9/11 took so long. P.S. I am white & a disable veteran that has never voted for any politician and don't believe in the american dream anymore. You're all on your own, get used to it.

America is & has been in a world of hurt as long as I can remember. For me it started with JFK's killing & LBJ lying about Vietnam & hurting this country to no ends. Now we have Bush & his staff running unchecked. I am not suprised that "The chickens are coming home to roost", just I am surprised 9/11 took so long. P.S. I am white & a disable veteran that has never voted for any politician and don't believe in the american dream anymore. You're all on your own, get used to it.

America is & has been in a world of hurt as long as I can remember. For me it started with JFK's killing & LBJ lying about Vietnam & hurting this country to no ends. Now we have Bush & his staff running unchecked. I am not suprised that "The chickens are coming home to roost", just I am surprised 9/11 took so long. P.S. I am white & a disable veteran that has never voted for any politician and don't believe in the american dream anymore. You're all on your own, get used to it.

I'm embarassed that my ignorance is showing!
In the last 30 minutes I became aware of the latest on Wright's news conference and Obama's response. I thought we were just talking about the Moyer's conversation.
Charles, I think you are right to point out that the Reverend ought to be a better role model...a few minutes ago, I would have said it's not his fault that he has the perspective he has...but at this moment I wonder if he is not an egomaniac looking to have more influence than he deserves.
It looks like he is currently riding Obama's tail to have a level of media access he has never had before. His manner is very different than in the sermons or with Moyers.

I still stand firm in my belief that Wright is not a lunatic-I believe he has done good work, and as Janet says, he speaks of realities we don't really want to think about. Unfortunately, he also speaks of realities that...aren't real. And right now he is doing some work that doesn't need to be done: delegitimizing the black church, and by extension, wounding Obama.
This just feeds straight into the fears whites have about a minority leader. This is really unfortunate for Obama. I'm not sure what to make of it, or how much damage it will do. It is a great disappointment for those of us who see Obama as a great hope for racial discourse to see Wright muddying the waters like this. It's clear that Obama is really disappointed as well-and not because he is like Wright and got caught, but because he has more vision and clarity than Wright.

Gina, I admire your courage.

I don't like every word that comes out of Rev. Wright's mouth but he is presenting a single perspective that American's don't even like to ponder: that American policy is skewed to profoundly help some and its' cost is mostly disregarded. Rev. Wright is asking us to ponder out cost. Necessarily America prefers the view of itself as an innocent victim on 9/11 and I would echo the person above who says no one really knows the entire truth of much of our recent past, including 9/11, but our policies have brutal impacts both in America and abroad.

I personally think that too many forces who could not contemplate a black president will grotesquely balloon Rev. Wright's comments, tie them unequivocably to Obama and will inflame racial tensions to insure that America will not have a black president.

Look at Rev. Wright's life works. Yes, it is possible to scrutinize this overfocussed picture the media has created but LOOK at the man's works. He's not perfect. But his overarching plan has helped a lot of people.

Americans have lost their ability to do critical thinking. Who wants you to hate and be afraid of this man? Why? Whose tool are you?

Gina, persons of authority in the community, who are educated, are supposed to preach and teach and lead in ways that cure them of sociopathic lies like, "AIDS is a government conspiracy." But Rev. Wright didn't do that. He perpetuated the myth. With a wink to his parishoners, saying in effect, "Don't believe what they are telling you. Listen to me." There is no excusing that. Obama said so today. And yet, Wright said the same thing long, long ago. And Obama didn't condemn it until his advisors told him it was destroying the campaign.

And, returning to the topic at hand, Bill Moyers sat Wright down for a long interview and never asked him about it.

So shame on Wright, shame on Obama and shame on Bill Moyers. This day is their worst nightmare, and they have all three earned it.

Dennis, Could you give me some of what your smoking....

The Truth Has Been Spoken Some Americans Are Ready For It And Some Are Not....
For The Record I am WHITE.

Hi Charles,
No, I was not specifically referring to you, and your response to the Wright controversy is not of the rabid type that is disturbing.
Frankly, I think that Obama has to take a very strong stand against Wright unless he wants to look like a anti-American black power leader.
I live in NC, one of my jobs is social development with poor minority youth (almost entirely black, even though we have a large Hispanic population). The perspective of Wright is familiar to me as a young white woman because I have been exposed to black social perspectives in a unique way-through the youth...The kids I work with do not yet realize what is off-limits in "polite company."
Wright has a specific perspective that echos the ideas of the black grandparents I have met and whose words I hear through their grandchildren. There is a paranoia, a strong distrust of the government (thus the AIDS infection theory-and more). There are truths that support these theories (Tuskegee-and more I probably don't know about), so I understand how the distrust spreads among blacks in this country.
I perceive that Obama does not share this perspective, as most black people of his age and his education do not. But *I* would be shocked if Obama is truly shocked by these things, or if he does not understand where they come from-a generation that had a very different American experience (which he points out in his PA speech).
When I say that I agree with much of what Wright says, I am not talking about specific religious beliefs (I am not Christian). It is unpopular to say that our policies across the globe (since our inception) contribute to some of our problems, and some will say it is unpatriotic to say such a thing. I respect Wright for pointing out these things-he is speaking with a belief that there is a higher order than the government. I share that belief (whether it is God, Spirit, evolving Consciousness), and I believe that we should not focus on the patriotism of wearing flag pins or sound bites (positive or negative), but of actions.
Obama is up against a group of war-mongers in the government who never served militarily, but who wear flag pins;
a group of hawks who show their patriotism with the laying of flags on coffins.
One of the unfortunate realities on this planet is that so often the least spiritual wear the biggest crosses, the poorest wear the most "bling," the greatest offenders of our country have the most patriotic paraphenalia (or another great example-the strong arms against prostitution visit the most prostitutes!)
Politicians sadly cannot enter into the intracies of these issues with the masses. We don't have time for the complexities.

I can't decide if two African-American leaders having very public problems with each other is completely tragic, some weird kind of progress, or something imbetween.

Is there anything good about this situation?

Gina, perhaps you were referring to my comment, just below, as one of the "unintelligent" comments.

What I ask you, in your defense of Rev. Wright, is whether you agree or disagree with Barack Obama when he says the following, which is an edited quote from his press conference today:

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"You know, I have been a member of Trinity United Church of Christ since 1992. I have known Rev. Wright for almost 20 years. The person I saw yesterday was not the person that I met 20 years ago. His comments were not only divisive and destructive, but I believe that they end up giving comfort to those who prey on hate, and I believe that they do not portray accurately the perspective of the black church...

But when he states and then amplifies such ridiculous propositions as the U.S. government somehow being involved in AIDS, when he suggests that Minister Farrakhan somehow represents one of the greatest voices of the 20th and 21st century, when he equates the United States' wartime efforts with terrorism, then there are no excuses. They offend me. They rightly offend all Americans. And they should be denounced, and that's what I'm doing very clearly and unequivocally here today."
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Gina, do you think that Sen. Obama is wrong about that? Is Sen. Obama wrongly criticizing Rev. Wright now? Is it not now clear to Obama and many others that the "soundbite" version of Wright, the one that Bill Moyers tried to quash, now appears to be the more realistic version of the man?

Barack Hussein Obama is indeed doing what politicians do as Rev Wright said. He is distancing himself from Wright now that it is all out in the open.

The fact is that BHO and his wife were comfortable with Wright for 20 years - they knew who he was and what he was about. They could have changed church a long time ago if they weren't comfortable. Why suddendly now? He a running for President, that's why.

Don't be hookwinked America.

Reading the unintelligent responses to Reverend Wright, I can't help but think of this:
"They teach the boys to drop fire on people but won't let them write the word 'F***' on their aeroplanes" (Apocalypse Now).
I can't imagine how anyone could argue against Wright using logic & awareness of reality. The only stance available to assail him is blind patriotism-which is why, I assume, all the criticism sounds unthought, emotional, and incredibly empty.
I admire the work Wright is doing, and I can't argue against a single thing I have heard him say (from this program and on Youtube). If I did not agree with some of his words, this would not affect the worth of his work.
By the way, I am not black, and I am not a Christian.

AS I listened to part 1 of this interview, I appreciated the demeanor in which Rev Wright spoke. I agreed with SOME of the things he clarified, but being a person who studies the Bible, He is sharing his views on "God Damning America" in a way that is misleading and inflamatory. When Michael the Archangel was contending with Satan, the Bible says he dared not bring a charge against Satan, he said "The Lord rebuke you". Matthew's account of Jesus' sermon on the mount quotes Jesus as saying bless those who curse you, bless and curse not. The Apostle Paul says do not pay evil for evil, but leave vengance to God. Jesus says do good to those who dispitefully use you. If your enemy is hungry give him food...you heap burning coals (of shame) on his head. The New Covenant of the New Testament of the Gospel of Jesus Christ in no way shape or form incites His followers to stir up seeds that promote further division. Rev Wright like everyone is just a man, at points an intelligent man, but just like Elliot Spitzer who won the governorship of NY position by a landslide, and was praised by many as having a great future, though intelligent in some regards, did a very stupid thing, and had a serious lapse in judgement. I don't think Rev Wright is wrong on all accounts, but as Barak Obama said earlier today, when your fundamental & core value systems seriously oppose what you believe in then it is time to speak out. Wright can continue to defend himself but time will tell, and God will be the ultimate judge of what effect his influence has had on his congregation.

Whatever your politics, it must be conceded that Bill Moyers' interview with Rev. Wright was an abject failure. He failed to ask the salient questions that the members of the National Press Club did, just a couple of days later.

In his quest to support liberal politics and a liberal politician, Moyers betrayed his journalism.

So it was left to another night (a speech in Detroit) and another forum (the National Press Club) to expose Wright for what he was. It turns out that the much-maligned soundbites were more accurate, more revelatory, than a long interview with Bill Moyers.

Now, we know Rev. Jeremiah Wright better. And so does Barack Obama. Obama now says that Wright is not now the same person he thought he knew. But we have all obtained that understanding with no thanks to Bill Moyers, the ol' liberal apologist. Thanks, Bill. For nothing.

After events of the past few days since Bill Moyers interview of Rev. Wright, it is shocking to me to see how so many have attacked Rev. Wright with little regard for journalistic integrity.

What was Rev. Wright talking about? What did he say? What did it mean? What did the thousands of individuals in the audience have to say who were cheering Rev. Wright speeches? Reporters seemed to have abandoned their duty.

I'm not interested in how angry and incensed the reporters are (and their select commentators), yet this seems to be all we are getting from the corporate news media. I'm bi-racial, Black/White, and in my 50's. What I see the corporate news media doing is the most shallow, biased, hate-based, reporting I've seen in a long while. How sad to see Rev. Wright so abused. Shame on the corporate media, and the few Blacks who have taken advantage of this unfortunate situation. Hear that Juan Williams?

It was stunning and sad to see Soledad O’Brien (CNN) report live from the event on how funny, enjoyable, and meaningful Rev. Wright’s “home run” was in delivering his speech at the NAACP dinner—then dramatically shift the next day where she had completely changed her tune, as if someone from her employment had cautioned her to not be so favorable. Am I mistaken?

Rev. Wright has been trashed, then, when he tries to speak up for himself, he gets knocked down. The press is making this about Obama and Wright, when it is really about Wright and his right--to free speech, and speaking truth to power.

I look at the TV screen and see such awful rage, rage of the racist, from people I would never have thought it in them.

I hope Bill Moyers will interview Douglas Blackmon regarding his book, "Slavery by Another Name". I feel strongly this is a must read for any and every U.S. American. This book can help us all to better understand the deep, very deep level of race-hate that exists in this country, at every level of our society. Blackmon helps us confront the reality of U.S. America’s holocaust of neoslavery that lasted for decades into the 20th Century.

Maybe then, we will better appreciate the truth of the Jeremiah Wright phenomenon.

I'm sorry. I generally like Moyers, but the comments from Wright are outlandish. Also, Wright made every effort to tone down and appear benevolent, and, from viewing the comments here, many fell for it. Yes, I listened to his entire speech, both the original one aired and the one given in Detroit. Yes, African Americans have been treated horribly in the past. So have other in varying degrees. The Jews. The Irish. The German and Japanese in our country during World War II. The list goes on and on and on and on worldwide. But I don't see the Jewish people, for example, acting out, ranting and spewing. Tuskegee occurred many, many years ago at a time when racism was rampant. It was also done for a progressive purpose, albeit horribly. It was not done to destroy the black population. It was done to study syphilis and it was done on black people because they were seen as inferior, less than human by the people performing the experiments, just as many prisoners on whom experiments are performed today are viewed, just as Jews (who suffered even more horribly)were viewed by the Nazis. To claim that AIDS is spread by the US to the black community just for the sheer visciousness of it is not only preposterous but it erases every shred of progress that has been made in the last 250 years. It also shows that Wright is willing to exploit the ignorant for his own advantage. Does this behavior bring people together? Hardly. Does it promote discussion of a constructive nature? Look for yourself. And it's going to bring down the candidacy of Barack Obama. I'm not an Obama supporter, but I feel sorry for the guy. His minister loves the attention he's getting, not to mention the MONEY. He has a somewhat bullying manner that suggests if you don't support him, you are against all black people, just as many suggest if one doesn't support Obama, one must logically then be racist. The world is not an easy place and never will be. We can only try to make it better - FOR EVERYONE.

Keep up the good work PBS! This interview has totally motivated me back up my moral support of the network with financial contributions as well. It's good to know that news networks with journalistic standards still exist in today's media

Moyers' and MR. Wright!
What a pair of anti-American idiots.(Along with the Wright ass kissers on this blog) I fully expected Moyer's to kiss Wrights ass...maybe he did....among other things!
The only good thing that has come of this is myself and several neighbors have ended our support and membership to PBS...that is until they get rid of Moyers!

Thanks, I enjoyed your interview with Rev. Wright. He seems to be a man with great passion and convictions and I respect him. I agree & disagree with Rev Wright beliefs, not necessarily Christianity. Nevertheless, I disagree with the views and perception of mass media with its sound bites and misleading headliners. Why are Americans so upset about Rev. Wright’s beliefs on HIV, 911, etc.?? Who knows the truth? Do you? In regards to Obama, who cares what his Pastor believes. Obama's belief system is not solely based on Rev. Wright views. Come on America Wake UP and move forward to the issues that the media are avoiding! One of the things that I did learn from Rev. Wright’s sermon about governments……Governments are only as “good” & “righteous” as the people who are in office and the people that vote them into office. As of today, we, Americans, have declined on our ethics and morals, which explains our government.

Good interview. I'm glad that Mr. Moyers let the Rev. speak and explain himself and his remarks including his intentions, the full context of his words, and some of the basis for his comments (agree with them or not). Sen. Obama has risen above the fray and handled himslef with integrity during this fiasco. The Rev. will obviously continue to say what he feels and let's not forget, that is his right in this wonderful nation - you don't have to agree with him - this is just one man's opinion after all. I believe that Sen. Obama has made his positions crystal clear. The MSM blew this way out of proportion (shocker) - it is a waste of energy at this point, but I found his perspective interesting at a minimum. Let's move on!

This guy has great stuff. I just love it when he said - "Barack Hussein Obama! Barack Hussein Obama! Barack Hussein. It sounds like Osama, Obama.

So Barack Obama is now denouncing Rev Wright. Why? Barack states how Wright's idealogies are divisive and not reflective of his own idealogies. Was Barack the last person on the planet to figure this out?

So Barack has OFFICIALLY charged Wright with the same things some of us have been trying to tell you liberals about Wright from the beginning.

All I hear from you blow-hard liberals is that we are "twisting the truth" and we're using "snippets" to make false accusations about Wright. Now that you've heard it from the horse's mouth (Obama), what say you now?

Do you continue your liberal defense of Wright to spite Conservatives, or do you now side with Obama and admit that you were once again wrong?

Do you actually believe that Obama was so out of touch with reality that it took him 20 years to figure it out? Would you still vote for an idiot like that or is he simply lying to us?!

Think America, think! None of this adds up in any way. Barack Obama is either a fool or a liar. The sludge that is currently on this board is living proof that you liberals got it wrong again. And just to be fair and open-minded about it all, Barack Obama is both a fool and a liar. You lose no matter how you spin it now and you can thank yourselves for putting Obama in this situation.


Sojourner Truth delivered her famous speech, "Ain't I a Woman," at a convention in Akron Ohio in May, 1851 (157 years ago) and this quote is from Wikipedia: "Reminiscences" (from that convention) by Frances Gage:
"There were very few women in those days who dared to "speak in meeting"; and the august teachers of the people were seemingly getting the better of us, while the boys in the galleries, and the sneerers among the pews, were hugely enjoying the discomfiture, as they supposed, of the "strong-minded." Some of the tender-skinned friends were on the point of losing dignity, and the atmosphere betokened a storm. (Kind of like now, eh?) When, slowly from her seat in the corner rose Sojourner Truth, who, till now, had scarcely lifted her head. "Don't let her speak!" gasped half a dozen in my ear. She moved slowly and solemnly to the front, laid her old bonnet at her feet, and turned her great speaking eyes to me. There was a hissing sound of disapprobation above and below. I rose and announced "Sojourner Truth," and begged the audience to keep silence for a few moments."
"The tumult subsided at once, and every eye was fixed on this almost Amazon form, which stood nearly six feet high, head erect, and eyes piercing the upper air like one in a dream. At her first word there was a profound hush. She spoke in deep tones, which, though not loud, reached every ear in the house, and away through the throng at the doors and windows."

What a different three days makes! After watching your interview with Rev. Wright, I was convinced he was the victim of a babid press corps(which to some extent, he was). But, after seeing his behavior this weekend and at the Press Club, I must now modify my opinion. He is a selfish, posturing, destructive voice, more concerned with taking center stage than engaging in a useful exchange of ideas. Barack Obama gave him the benefit of the doubt, even defended him at some cost to his own standing, because he believed the man was being unfairly caracatured. And how does the good reverend repay him? By demeaning and belittling the essence of his campaign, which is and has been from the start, one of unity and mutual respect.

Barack has lived his life in service of closing the racial divide and promoting understanding among all races, religions and social backgrounds. For Wright to demean such efforts as political rhetoric was a classless, even vindictive gesture. Obama today did the right thing. He renounced a man who clearly has no regard for him and who does not truly share his values.

It is a pity that the political discourse in this country has sunk to the depths reflected by the North Carolina Republican Party and, indeed, Mr. McCain. And with the Clintons joining the chorus of opportunism, we can understand why so many Americans are turned off to the political process. It would be tragic if vitriole and cynicism extinguish the sense of hope exemplified by Obama's life and his campaign.

While he is currently being savaged from all quarters, Obama continues to conduct himself with dignity, as he attempts to engage in a meaningful discussion of the issues affecting all Americans. Let's not let old prejudices and fears keep us from listening and working toward a better, more tolerant America.

Shame on you Bil moyers for the useless interview with Rev wright! the only thing lacking was a kiss! How dare you take public money and personal contributions and not ask ny tough pertinent questions of this out of date racist. Having been rasied with heroes suach as MLK and my personal favorite, Dick Gregory, I am totally disgusted with BillMoyers and this waste of time. How dare you not ask about the HIV, 9-11 comments among others. Never agin wi I make contributions to this obviously left wing medis outlet that has forgotten what it's call letters stand for...PUBLIC Broadcasting system. Fox claims to be "fair and balanced", this is what PBS is supposed to be and why it was formed. You contribututed to the 15 minutes of fame that this zealot is looking for. He has done more to set back race realtions than any white zealot could ever ask for. He may as well join the US of KKK hinself. I'm sure that the KKK is laughig all the way in their white robes.
Terrible, Bill, for your lack of honest journalism, you should be removed from the taxpayers public funded system today! You did nothing but pander to this man. He has his own agenda. Why does he have to mention the"black church"? Iwas raised no believe in one church, it never had a label of white or black! Talk about a racist comment! yes, Rev. Wright, you wil have to answer to Jesus as you stated, and he will ask the same question. Why are you promoting a separatist Church? this man jsut needs to dissapear from the public eye (to his multi-million dolar home on the golf course..not bad for a "poor black man") and stop killing the campaign of potentially a great leader who wants to transcend race, unlike his pastor. This country finally as the chance to elect something other than a "white" leader and this man is personally destroying this opportunity.
Disgusting!

After Senator Obama's complete divorce from his ex-pastor today, I'm struck by how long ago last Friday seems. Bill, I still think your interview was well done! My views concerning that, or you, hasn't changed. My views of your subject, however, has. People are responsible for their own words, especially when taken in context! I've never heard Senator Obama utter anything that has offended me so my opinion of him has not changed. On the contrary, my heart goes out to him and his family. Altering something as fundimental as a relationship associated with one's faith or values is one thing. Doing it in public during a presidential campaign is quite another.

I'm starting to think that this is big deal only so that the MSM can present it's favored candidates, Hillary and McCain; people they can do bidness wid.

After watching the Moyers interview and the following links of Wright at the Press Club, I feel that even more strongly.

Rev. Wright at the National Press Club (1 of 3)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=q2H1dMbkYa4

Rev. Wright at the National Press Club (2 of 3)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gXnZKUG_ic&feature=related

Rev. Wright at the National Press Club (3 of 3)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aM8VU47pKU&feature=related

I never did recommend a book for the President to read because the top three were already recommended.

If I may?

The Best Democracy Money Can Buy (ISBN 0-452-28391-4, Penguin Plume USA) is a 2002 book written by investigative journalist Greg Palast

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Best_Democracy_Money_Can_Buy

Has anyone else noticed the use of the word "prophetic" in most every posting that praises Wright?

Guess everyone at Wright's church received the memo with the talking points, huh? No conspiracy? Yeah, right.

I think the softball interview that Bill Moyers conducted only lack them "kissing". this was typical of the problems woith the media that we now have. Not one tough question was asked. how do you explain not questioning Rev. wright about his comments about the US gov injecting the HIV virus into the black community Or his 9-11 comments. despicable, Bill. will never contribute to PBS again. I a ashamed that my public tax dollars and personal contributions go to such wasted use as Bill Moyers! Bill Moyers should be removed from the PBS "airwawaves" today. A total waste of time letting this man rant for his own personal 15 minutes offame. wright has set back the race problem in America like no person ever i history. Having been raiseda proponent of equality and idolized person such asMLK and my personal favorite Dick Gregory, whom I felt privelaged and honered to meet, shake hands a nd talk with, this man lives in the past and is disgusting to America in 2008! MLK must be turningover in his grave! How could the question of his multi million dollar home not be asked? Shame on you Bill Moyers, Sshame on PBS for allowing his show to be on the channel. PBS seems to have forgotten what the call letters stand for...Public Boradcasting System..not the obviously personal views of the elite left wing tat seems to run rampant at this network. Fox claims to be "fair & balanced".whether they are or not is a matter of opinion, but this is what PBS is supposed to be, sadly it cetainly is not.

I take back my apology to Rev. Wright for the attacks he's had to endure. He deserves them. Had he ended with your interview he would have looked much better. After his performance yesterday, I think he is a disgusting man and deserves whatever criticizm he gets. With a Pastor like Wright, who needs enemies?! I will continue to support Obama and don't think he should be held accountable for Wright's outrageous beliefs. Shame on Wright for causing these problems for Obama.

Bill- you do not show the PBS spirit....This is a murder of PBS...dividing the country

Bravo Bill Moyers,

What has infuriated me in all this is that the MSM failed in both of the most controversial clips shown to offer them more completely, which in both cases would have put what Rev. Wright said into context. I am beginning to believe that at the risk to the freedom of the press, media should be required to obtain and post the approval/disapproval of those not in public office being broadcast in the form in which it is being presented; or if not, play video clips in their entirety. The MSM knowingly created this issue for their commercial and/or political needs. Disgusting.

A wonderful and prophetic interview! Thank you Bill Moyers for making me prouder than ever to be a supporter of PBS.

At the risk of not seeing the log in my own eye...I believe I heard Bill Moyer say he and Pastor Wright are members of the UCC denomination. No wonder both of them are confused. The UCC does not hold to the full authority of scripture. Once a protestant church leaves behind the foundation of scripture, it will be a ship blowing in the wind with broken mast. Jesus' parable was straight forward. You've got to build your house on the rock, the word of God. The UCC is built on trendy sociological thinking. I've listened to Bill Moyers disparage 'orthodox' or 'fundamentalist' or 'evangelical' thinking for years. But I think you are looking at the flower, the fruit the fuzzy thinking without the careful guide of scripture.

Jack Martin said:

"...but I think it does show organized campaigns are involved, more so on the racist side"

You might be right (I think you are, to an extent) - however, I fear that the majority of racist or borderline racist posts are from racist, or merely culturally conservative individuals ;/.

"However, none of them are speaking the truth. Just liberal, racist jibberish.

Poor mind-numbed robots."

lol, yeah, that's right, it's a big conspiracy, there can't be THAT many sensible people on this board who totally understand what Wright is talking about... right?

Although names suspiciously similar to my own and to my associates have appeared on this page I have not spoken until now. I never expected the intense response Jeremiah Wright has drawn. I admit to wasting my time reading these many posts, many of which seem ingenuine. Some are repeated many times on various blog pages and others seem to be joking. The nature of a blog is that submissions are anonymous barring a criminal investigation or electronic policing on the part of webmasters. How can anyone say what the intent of a post is unless people reveal more personal information than might be prudent, excert by reading and evaluating the argumentative content.

In comparing this "Wright controversy" page to that of "Books the President should read" I find a more respectful tone and a higher quality of argument on the books page, even considering the 9/11 exclusion issue. I don't entirely understand what this says about racism, since candidate Obama and Rev. Wright are nominally black, but I think it does show organized campaigns are involved, more so on the racist side. Content reveals that some racist submissions were composed by persons who had not watched Moyers Journal or much of anything on the subject beyond attack loops.

It is entirely different to praise a person than to dehumanize with cruel language, and racism is not a legitimate antidote to a popularity campaign. My interest here is not to see this last little tenuous scrap of free speech opportunity threatened by organized fascist provocatures. I know that some of you are alarmed and have your sensibilities hurt by these enemies of free discourse, but when you answer their trash talk with reasoning you amplify their hatred and vitriole. Until the moderators attain the judgment and authority to clear the rubble from the roadway, and to prohibit spammy reposting, I suggest we ignore unworthy posts as if they didn't exist. Realize that we are not tabulating votes here but constructing reasoned arguments for a caring audience. Anything else is unworthy of Bill Moyers' Journal and its mission to discuss and inform.


Wow, the same interviewer who has issues with the questions posed during the last dem debate then shows his complete incompetence at asking even a single probing question to this highly racist individual. He then lets the interviewee re-direct the question and Bill fails to follow up in any significant way. Way to go, Bill!

After revisiting this board numerous times, it is obvious that it is being sandbagged with two, maybe three distinct groups of people. 1.)Members of Wright's church that are going to praise the racist no matter what he says or does or 2.)White people with a terrible guilt complex that think that they need to be harshly rebuked for something that happened 150 years ago or 3.)Members of Wright's church pretending to be part of "white America" that whole-heartedly agrees with Moyers and Wright. Hmmm, probably some out of all three sub-sets.

However, none of them are speaking the truth. Just liberal, racist jibberish.

Poor mind-numbed robots.

This interview and Rev. Wright's truth-speaking are a breath of fresh air in this campaign of distortions and misleading sound bites. As a white southerner, I am grateful for the courage of Rev. Wright to speak out in the prophetic tradition about the wrongs all around us. And I am always grateful for Bill Moyer's quiet thoughtful and balanced interviews.
Thank you!

It is obvious from this interview and from Wright's comments in context that he is a prophetic voice in America right now... one that the rich, middle class whites who vote Republican (and I am a white woman myself), and many others do not want to hear because it doesn't line up with their fascist views of what corporate America is. I love Jesus Christ first and this country second. Thank God there are still ministers who speak truth when there are so many who do not and who simply have pulpit warmers who feel good about themselves each week. Jesus didn't go around making Pharisees and others feel good, and neither did the Old Testament prophets.

I taped the interview and watched it a second time hoping that I could make some sense of Wright's remarks. Although Moyers lobbed softballs and Wright responded with platitudes while knocking down a few straw men, it became obvious that Wright is a man who is so completely full of himself that he thinks he is Christ. His remarks from the pulpit are just a black version of the Falwell/Robinson/Hagee rants. Hopefully, Wright will quickly pass from the scene and America can get on with the long, hard process of racial reconciliation without his preening exploitation of legitimate black grievances.

"Should pastors be making political statements?"

My response: Assuming that pastors are Christians and believe the Bible to be the word of God I think the question shold be
"What does the Bible say about Christian leaders making political statements?"

I think there's lots of evidence of leaders who made political statements especially the prophets. Christianity is supposed to shape the values of Christians and applicable to everyday life so I don't see how pastors can not make political statements. A lot of times it's had to slice between what's political and social issues.

This interview was simply fantastic, uplifting and a fresh of breath air. This is really what journalism should be about - with professional journalists facilitating a discussion or interaction between the public and people in the news on the questions that matter so that the public can get a full picture and make their own judgments. I have lived in Rwanda and South Africa where the mainstream media distorted truths and spread misinformation, turning the simple differences between races into the fuel for fear, hate and a complete disregard for humanity and the fundamental right to life. The result - genocide and decades of the murderous, dehumanizing apartheid system all perpetuated and sustained by ordinary people like you and I. It is impossible for me not to see the similarity in the actions and role of the media in the US today and in the responses of bloggers here and on other sites. This country, like all others, has a past and present replete with mistakes and the sign of its maturity isn't going to be found in denial or a refusal to discuss these but in the commitment shown by ordinary people to set any fears and prejudice aside and sit around the "table" together to discuss these mistakes, understand their impact and design solutions together that will take the country forward united in purpose.

Posted by: Amy Miller | April 29, 2008 03:28 AM

"Appalled,
I'm supposed to be studying right now so this is the last post from me tonight, but: I'm excited because I think I might actually understand your point, although I don't necessarily agree with it."

RESPONSE:
Amy, I respect your opinion and really appreciate the friendly discourse. And, I wish you success with your studies. A heartful, God bless you, too.

Appalled,
I'm supposed to be studying right now so this is the last post from me tonight, but: I'm excited because I think I might actually understand your point, although I don't necessarily agree with it. When I heard Rev. Wright's comments, I automatically placed them in the context of my past experiences with African American churches. They fit there,and he didn't say anything I hadn't heard before. LOL- if I heard the same words in my own church, I would walk right out.
Anyway, in a society where it often seems like everyone's shouting and no one's listening, I'm glad we can have a civil and productive exchange. May God bless you...

Posted by: dksu | April 29, 2008 02:48 AM

"For example, he said "Bill Clinton is ridin' dirty" and "Hillary aint never been called a n..r." This is not appropriate words from the pulpit."

How is this not appropriate? It's not the clean, removed 'fantasy-land' Christianity, as Wright said.

RESPONSE:
DKSU, I appreciate your comments. I am basing my views from what I have learned in my Christian faith. It was written in the Christian Scriptures that Apostle Paul said "there must be no filthiness and silly talk..." (Ephesians 5:4), and "...your speech always be with grace.." (Colossian 4:6). As I try to be more like Jesus Christ in my daily life, I don't believe I am pursuing fantasy.

Thank you Mr. Moyers for imparting insight and clarity in your interview with the Reverand Jeremiah Wright. In lieu of the recent controversy surrounding the Reverand--instigated in large part by the media’s repeated broadcast of craftily edited and seemingly incriminating sound bites--your questions were fair, broad-sighted and respectful of giving his voice equal time to be heard. Above all, you offered the American viewer an opportunity to formulate their own opinion based upon information not manipulated by political ulterior motives or media bias. Your bio on the man himself and footage of the sermons helped put into context the messages conveyed by Reverand Wright and gave me a clearer perspective on the essence of his point of view. By the interview’s end, I was reminded of the biblical passage found in Proverbs chapter 4 verse 7 that reads “Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore, get wisdom; and with all thy getting, get understanding.” Again, thanks for your journalistic integrity in handling this subject matter with sensitivity, but most importantly for generating greater understanding.

I think a lot of people are missing the point that Rev. Wright was actually quoting Edward Peck, former U.S. Ambassador to Iraq and deputy director of President Reagan’s terrorism task force, who was speaking on FOX News. He mentioned this before and after the sound byte which was conveniently left out by the satans who doctored it. So the real shame is on all of you who keep perpetuating this lie! Most of the comments here are sad and pathetic. Anyone telling a Jewish person to get over it is anti-semitic, yet it's no problem to say that to an African-American?

... Not to mention that it's downright hilarious!

"For example, he said "Bill Clinton is ridin' dirty" and "Hillary aint never been called a n..r." This is not appropriate words from the pulpit."

How is this not appropriate? It's not the clean, removed 'fantasy-land' Christianity, as Wright said. It's dirty, gritty, serious, like the real world. Wright said himself that his point is to connect the actual world and church life, not to separate the two. He talks about peoples' lives in the real world, probably using language that you wouldn't approve of. But that's how people speak. And that's what his people connect with, not metaphysical and purely theological preaching.

But I suppose you could disagree...

Posted by: Amy Miller | April 29, 2008 02:21 AM

"Pastors have been making political statements for a long time now, particularly in the past 40 years or so. G.W. Bush was in large part elected because of political use of the pulpit."

RESPONSE:
Thanks for you thoughtful response. It does not make a difference to me about the political ideology of the preacher, when it comes to my discomfort with preachers getting political in the pulpit. As I have posted previously, Reverend Wright has said some things in the pulpit that would not lead a person to accept God's free gift of salvation through Jesus Christ. For example, he said "Bill Clinton is ridin' dirty" and "Hillary aint never been called a n..r." These are not appropriate words from the pulpit.

Posted by: Amy Miller | April 29, 2008 02:21 AM

"Pastors have been making political statements for a long time now, particularly in the past 40 years or so. G.W. Bush was in large part elected because of political use of the pulpit."

RESPONSE:
Thanks for you thoughtful response. It does not make a difference to me about the political ideology of the preacher, when it comes to my discomfort with preachers getting political in the pulpit. As I have posted previously, Reverend Wright has said some things in the pulpit that would not lead a person to accept God's free gift of salvation through Jesus Christ. For example, he said "Bill Clinton is ridin' dirty" and "Hillary aint never been called a n..r." This is not appropriate words from the pulpit.

"Perhaps a question we should all consider is how we feel about pastors making political statements. It's a tough question considering the degree of overlap between government and morality."

I don't see what's wrong with pastors making political statements. I mean, there's no dividing line between politics and 'life'. The idea that there is, and that only politicians (and others in the field of 'politics' as such - the fact that I'm separating those 'in the field of politics' and those who aren't is itself troubling...) can be political is seriously cancerous. It's clear that Wright sees politics as a grassroots affair, and thinks that it's his duty to help people organize at this level. He's helping people realize that there's no gap between life and politics, between oneself and the structure of society. And he should be commended for this, and for challenging the 'low intensity democracy' status quo.

Posted by: MossaB | April 29, 2008 02:09 AM

"The truth to what the man meant by what he said is in the very words of the man himself. The case whether Dr. Wright misspoke or not should be closed. We have seen more of the actual sermon and heard clear explanation."

RESPONSE:
Reverend Wright is speaking out about how he has been depicted in the media, so this situation continues to roll on. He also adds to the fray. Barack Obama has not told the truth about what views from Reverend Wright he has internalized from their 20 year relationship. It is not unreasonable to conclude that Reverend Wright has some controversial (and unbelievable) viewpoints.


Guess said:

"At the University of Chicago Divinity School, Jeremiah Wright earned another master's in the history of religions with a focus on Islam."

Great, this can only be a good thing. We need more people who understand the history different religions and cultures. Especially ones that have been influential not only in Wright's own community, but in the world!

Appalled,
Pastors have been making political statements for a long time now, particularly in the past 40 years or so. G.W. Bush was in large part elected because of political use of the pulpit. Not all pastors do it, and I actually like the fact that my priest does not. On the other hand, many pastors feel the need to address moral outrages going on in society.
Perhaps a question we should all consider is how we feel about pastors making political statements. It's a tough question considering the degree of overlap between government and morality.

"Thanks for your response. As I mentioned, I am appalled because of Reverend Wright's political use of the pulpit."

This is precisely his strength. He's so popular because he helps to address the needs of everyday people, and to educate them as to the necessity for real structural reform. Personally, I disagree with his 'he's a politician, I'm a pastor' line - Wright is obviously intensely political, this is exactly what makes his sermons so worthwhile (I'm not a religious person and even I can appreciate them).

I don't think any Pastor should use the Pulpit for Politics. If that were the case in all Churches we would all walk out very depressed. Since Politics these days are very depressing. I think we are all capable of making up our won minds when it comes to voting. We all need to do our homework and pay attention to the Candidates NOT there Pastors. Do most of you remeber the old saying when your out and about and your enjoying yourselves stay away from Politics and Religion otherwise the night can turn into a disaster. There is a time and place for everything. Church is NOT one of those places. I actually think Wright believes what he says. That is why I think Obama has distance himself from him. My personal opinion and I think I'm allowed that under Free speech I am getting sick and tired of getting blames for something I had nothing to do with that happpend years ago. I am Irish and I remember signs that said Irish need not apply. So with that said let's move on and I will not apolgies for something I had nothing to do with. It's getting tiresome. A lot of our people were persecuted one way or another but we need to move on. Wright is going to ruin Obama because like I said earlier in my comments he actually believes what he says. Sad truly sad!

Never heard anything??

In his 1993 memoir "Dreams from My Father," Obama recounts in vivid detail his first meeting with Wright in 1985. The pastor warned the community activist that getting involved with Trinity might turn off other black clergy because of the church's radical reputation.

Later he would base his 2004 keynote speech to the Democratic National Convention on a Wright sermon called "Audacity to Hope," --also the inspiration for Obama's second memoir, "The Audacity of Hope."

Though Wright and Obama do not often talk one-on-one often, the senator does check with his pastor before making any bold political moves.

Last fall, Obama approached Wright to broach the possibility of running for president. Wright cautioned Obama not to let politics change him, but he also encouraged Obama.

At the University of Chicago Divinity School, Jeremiah Wright earned another master's in the history of religions with a focus on Islam.


earned another master's in the history of religions with a focus on Islam.

Jerry Wright loves islam. No!!! Say it aint so.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/custom/religion/chi-070121-relig_wright,1,271630.story?page=1&ctrack=1&cset=true&coll=chi-religion-topheadlines

The truth to what the man meant by what he said is in the very words of the man himself. The case whether Dr. Wright misspoke or not should be closed. We have seen more of the actual sermon and heard clear explanation.

Respectfully, those who still hold any negative and judgmental view on this man -and the relationship with Mr. Obama, clearly have a deeply inherent hate within. These individuals should seek to understand the history of this nation -but most importantly, their very own history. The conversation on this issue is over! Let's move on to more important issues that threaten our way of life -that of blacks, whites and every human beings in this world.

Donna Moyer,

Thanks for your response. As I mentioned, I am appalled because of Reverend Wright's political use of the pulpit. You did not address this.

I appreciate that you have tried to speak for Barack Obama with your response. But Barack Obama has not specifically addressed any of the items in the list. My point is that people don't really know, but are guessing and trying to speak for him.

"6 or 7 out of 9 ain't bad. It's too bad that Obama's views are likely in no way similar to Wright's."

Never heard anything??

In his 1993 memoir "Dreams from My Father," Obama recounts in vivid detail his first meeting with Wright in 1985. The pastor warned the community activist that getting involved with Trinity might turn off other black clergy because of the church's radical reputation.

Later he would base his 2004 keynote speech to the Democratic National Convention on a Wright sermon called "Audacity to Hope," --also the inspiration for Obama's second memoir, "The Audacity of Hope."

Though Wright and Obama do not often talk one-on-one often, the senator does check with his pastor before making any bold political moves.

Last fall, Obama approached Wright to broach the possibility of running for president. Wright cautioned Obama not to let politics change him, but he also encouraged Obama.

At the University of Chicago Divinity School, Jeremiah Wright earned another master's in the history of religions with a focus on Islam.


earned another master's in the history of religions with a focus on Islam.

Jerry Wright loves islam. No!!! Say it aint so.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/custom/religion/chi-070121-relig_wright,1,271630.story?page=1&ctrack=1&cset=true&coll=chi-religion-topheadlines

Appalled wrote:

"Most the people who have posted on this blog appear to agree with Reverend Wright. Below are tidbits from Reverend Wright. A lot posters like them.

1. Barack Obama says things because he is a politician.
2. US govt. is a terrorist govt, equivalent to those we are fighting in the Middle East
3. US govt. created AIDS virus to kill African-Americans.
4. US govt. brings drugs into the black community to imprison blacks.
5. US of KKK is a valid description of our country
6. US military was not justified in using nuclear weapons to force Japan to surrender in World War II.
7. Today, he made fun of JFK's Bostonian accent when he mimmicked JFK's "ask not what your country can do for you" famous words.
8. Hillary aint never been called a "n..."
9. Bill Clinton is "ridin' dirty"

1. Of course, this is correct.
2. The U.S. is/has certainly engaged in and has facilitated international acts of mass terror.
3. This is false.
4. COINTELPRO
5. There's quite a bit of racism in the U.S., though today more often than not, it is cloaked in humanitarian garb.
6. Completely agree. The U.S. was not justified in firebombing Japanese towns to rubble either.
7. He doesn't like JFK, are you surprised? He invaded Cuba and began the bombing of Vietnam.
8. This is most definitely true.
9. Maybe? That's pretty funny either way.

6 or 7 out of 9 ain't bad. It's too bad that Obama's views are likely in no way similar to Wright's.

Donna Moyer,

I appreciate your response to my post. An excerpt of your post is below, and my response will follow.

Dona Moyer | April 29, 2008 01:48 AM

OK Appalled, I would like to know what is so appalling about the statements Barak Obama made, ie the ones you quoted. Do you agree with everything your minister says?

The most important thing a Christian pastor can do is lead people to Jesus Christ. I am appalled that Reverend Wright, and too many preachers, use the pulpit to espouse political views.

Reverend Wright has used his pulpit to get into the political arena. His primary job is to lead people to Jesus Christ. He needs to stay out of the politcal fray. Some of the things he has said are paraphrased below. They will not lead people to Jesus Christ. Below are some of the statements from Reverend Wright, from the pulpit. Help me understand how they would move someone to accept God's free gift of salvation through Jesus Christ.

1. Barack Obama says [untruthful] things because he is a politician.
2. US govt. is a terrorist govt, equivalent to those we are fighting in the Middle East
3. US govt. created AIDS virus to kill African-Americans.
4. US govt. brings drugs into the black community to imprison blacks.
5. US of KKK is a valid description of our country
6. US military was not justified in using nuclear weapons to force Japan to surrender in World War II.
7. Today, he made fun of JFK's Bostonian accent when he mimmicked JFK's "ask not what your country can do for you" famous words.
8. Hillary aint never been called a "n..."
9. Bill Clinton is "ridin' dirty"

OK Appalled, I would like to know what is so appalling about the statements Barak Obama made, ie the ones you quoted. Do you agree with everything your minister says? Always? If you have small children, do you even hear everything your minister says? I am Catholic now but I grew up in a Baptist church. I sure didn't agree with everything my minister said. Otherwise I'd still be a Baptist. I still respect that faith though. As my priest says, if they aren't against us, they are for us. Every man should owe loyalty to the person who led him to Christ. Yet all of you are sitting, waiting for Barak Obama to denounce the man who led him to Christ. I'm a white conservative Republican who intends to vote for Barak Obama. I am voting for him because he has the integrity that I believe Hilary Clinton lost years ago. I think McCain has that integrity also but he is too much a part of the Washington machine for me to vote for him. I want the fresh face as long as he keeps it fresh and doesn't fall into the dirty tricks the media expects of him.

Barack Obama says he knew of controversial remarks by Reverend Wright. His response in a an interview question about this is pretty weak. I think it is not unreasonable to conclude that he has internalized some of Wright's views.

Internet link to interview transcipt:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352785,00.html

Transcript: Barack Obama on 'FOX News Sunday', Monday, April 28, 2008
WALLACE: By the way, in your speech on race, you said that while you hadn't heard these remarks that have been public, that you had heard controversial remarks from the pulpit.

OBAMA: Right.

WALLACE: But you've never said what those were.

OBAMA: Well, you know, I didn't have any particular examples.

WALLACE: I mean, can you tell us anything you heard him say that was...

OBAMA: Well, you know, I think that he has oftentimes talked about some of the problems in the black community in very controversial ways. I mean, I think — or in sharp ways, in ways that are provocative.

You know, he will talk about the failure of fathers to look after their children in ways that sometimes people might be taken aback by. He can use street vernacular in his sermons in ways that people wouldn't expect to hear in church.

I am saddest about the fact that it seems that half the people who have written on here are only listening to what the commentators have said about Rev. Wright and not about what Rev. Wright, himself said. Some have said 'don't bring slavery into it'.
sorry, slavery is part of the black man heritage. I'm not black. I don't have that heritage. Sometimes I think some black men use that as an excuse. I don't believe that is Rev. Wright's position. Neither is it Barak Obama's. However, I can understand Rev. Wright's talks. Why can't other white Americans? Is it because they are too used to the 'good old boys (and woman's, in regards to Hilary) politics? This 'good old boy' system is what I think Obama wants to change. Do you really believe the Republicans have started all this hoop-la about Rev. Wright??? Look at Bill and Hill's track record. Anyone who has ever crossed them has been drug through the mud. Rev. Wright is just the one who THEY chose to use to drag down Obama. I believe the Clintons are part, and a big part of the problem with Washington. I think McCain is part of the problem. I think Obama is a fresh answer.
In reality, how much power does a president have???? Although George Bush has been pres. for the last two terms, the democrats have ruled the congress and senate for almost three years. The media has ruled the country even more than that. (oops, we're not supposed to know that). I pray for our president every day. I will pray for our next president every day because I think he really does not know what he is getting into. I think we need to have a president who is strong, like George Bush is strong, enough to ignore what people expect of him and do what he believes. Not to go by the polls, which are tuned to special interest groups. I don't know what to do about the people who get most of their news from shows like the Colbert Report and the Daily show, and other comedians. I love watching them for entertainment. They aren't news reporters. Who is? No one I can think of anymore. Everyone has his own agenda. One has to read everything one can, take the time to be informed. Most of the media is liberal. I still haven't decided what Fox is. Sometimes, in some instances I do believe they are more 'fair and balanced' than the others, then other times, like O'Reilly's obsession with Rev. Wright, I don't see anything fair or balanced. PBS leans way too far to the left in my opinion. I used to like Tucker on MSNBC, but now he's not even on anymore. Someone more to the left has taken his place, or is taking his place. I'm a conservative but I'm not way right wing. I listen to all of them and then winnow out, the best I can, what is truth. It's really not easy. Almost every commentator has his own agenda. I always try to find the actual statements of anyone involved in any story and sort it out myself. I know I'm as intelligent as most news reporters. (way more than some of them). Most people don't have the time nor the inclination to do that. Most people are mislead by the media, and it happens on both sides.
Whenever one of my grandkids or my kids says they don't like Bush, or they don't like Hilary, or they don't like McCain, or they don't like Obama, I ask them why. And I don't let them off till they give legitimate reasons. I could give lots of reasons that I don't like Hilary or McCain. I can give you even more reasons that I like both George Bush and Barak Obama. The main reason is that I believe they both have the integrity to stand up for what they believe in regardless of what polls say they should do or what their 'political' advisors tell them they should do. It doesn't matter to me whether I agree with what Bush does or what Obama intends to do. What matters to me is that Bush has done, and I believe Obama will do, what they believe is right, at least as far as the legislative body will allow. Bush has taken the hits from the press. I think Obama is capable of doing that too. The president really doesn't have that much power and he has to take the hits for everything congress and the senate does. It's beyond me why anyone would even want to be president. Money isn't that good. Their life is always in danger. People the world over believe they have more power than they do. To be president a person has to have a calling. I don't think Hilary has that calling. Perhaps McCain may, but I know Obama does. I see it in him. The honesty and the integrity. He takes the hits people throw on him without losing his integrity. Rev. Wright led him to Jesus Christ. He won't agree with everything he says but he won't disown him as his minister. That is integrity over politics. And O'Reilly and Hannity be damned.

why does the media hold the feet to the fire when ministers and pastors are somewhere in the political picture, but on the other hand some discusting floozie from hollyweird can "endorse" a politian and nobody blinks an eye? (maybe nobody cares what the hollyweird floozie says?)

why doesn't the media start scraping through the george cloony types movie gibberish "sound-bites" every time THEY "endorse" some politcal person? why doesn't the media scrape through the resume of the governor of "kally- forn- eeee-aaaaah" and some of his rediculous "sound bites" and crrrrrrreeeepy face stuff? eeeeek! he made his fortunes on icky movies....then marched right into office.

i'm not going to vote for any of the three unfortunate choices that are scraping their way up to the presidency and i have really come to distrust major media. media wastes so much time with second hand stuff, and they AVOID first hand stump speaches etc. media pays a handful of people to sit around a table and blab on with "hersay",and their own interpretation, not the original speech!

i think obama is a "wolf in sheeps clothing", hillary is a liar, who kept her head in the sand when her bill was pulling stunts....(people who don't want to LOOK at the truth tell lies easily), and mc cain is married to a glorified bar maid....she PUSHES beer! eeeeek! (anheiser busch)how many dead drunks collectivly paid off her jet plane? ick. how many people are very sadly disappointed with the lousy choices this election?

I find it interesting that the comments here have moved from mostly feedback from people who watched the interview Friday night to a large number of simple-minded trolls. The time lag suggests to me that most of the trolls are not people who watched the interview and reacted to it, rather people who were told something and reacted to what they were told.

Newt, Hannity, Oreilly and others... At least give credit when it is due.

You only knew of Obama granting 75k to a terror fund as director of the Woods Fund because you read it here first.

At least mention the blogger "Truth" speak about youor new found facts.

Thank You all and keep up the good work. Also steal my other posts where Osama admitted a year ago that he and wright talk politics everyday.

"What I value most about Pastor Wright is not his day-to-day political advice," Obama said. "He's much more of a sounding board for me to make sure that I am speaking as truthfully about what I believe as possible and that I'm not losing myself in some of the hype and hoopla and stress that's involved in national politics."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/custom/religion/chi-070121-relig_wright,1,271630.story?page=1&coll=chi-religion-topheadlines&ctrack=1&cset=true

Didn't wright just say they never discuss politics?
Didn't wright just say that he will be gunning for obama because they disagree politically? Why then do they seem so connected a year ago?

Jerry Wright LIES!

And this is all a game. Osama will repudiate wrong in the next few days and all of the liberal biased media will say... Look.. Osmama repudiated him!

BS.. It's all a game!!!

This is ALL A GAME!!!!

“If Barack gets past the primary, he might have to publicly distance himself from me,” Mr. Wright said with a shrug. “I said it to Barack personally, and he said yeah, that might have to happen.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/30/us/politics/30obama.html?_r=1&pagewanted=3&oref=slogin

Jeff S. Not only do we all have the "right to berate" our country, we have the PRIVILEGE and more importantly, the DUTY to question and berate our leaders when we question their leadership. No, wear of the uniform does not give one the right to "berate", being lucky enough to be a citizen of this great nation does though. (By the way, I proudly wore the uniform for 20 years!)

On the Sunday after the terrorist attacks of 9/11, Mr. Wright said the attacks were a consequence of violent American policies. Four years later he wrote that the attacks had proved that “people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just ‘disappeared’ as the Great White West went on its merry way of ignoring Black concerns.”

Mr. Wright, who has long prided himself on criticizing the establishment, said he knew that he may not play well in Mr. Obama’s audition for the ultimate establishment job.

“If Barack gets past the primary, he might have to publicly distance himself from me,” Mr. Wright said with a shrug. “I said it to Barack personally, and he said yeah, that might have to happen.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/30/us/politics/30obama.html?_r=1&pagewanted=3&oref=slogin

Moyers is a disgrace to journalism. Wright is a disgrace to the clergy. PBS is a disgrace to fair and balanced broadcasting. The congress is a disgrace for giving all of these entities our hard earned tax dollars to present this tripe to us!

Moyers is a disgrace to journalism. Wright is a disgrace to the clergy. PBS is a disgrace to fair and balanced broadcasting. The congress is a disgrace for giving all of these entities our hard earned tax dollars to present this tripe to us!

This conversation only solidifies what has been known by most thinking people in this country.

This man censured America for her racist past. I dare any person, regardless of race, creed or color deny any of the charges Pastor Wright uttered in his denunciation of America.

Let your minds not be controlled by the media as we are in very dangerous times. They know that if we the public hears something over and over again, we will come to believe it. George Bush used this tactic to get re-elected.

I have a problem understanding how many in our country can PRAISE our President and Vice President (George Bush and Richard "Dick" Cheney) for the selling of the big lie "WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION" yet, we condemn and vilify a good man such as Reverend Wright for telling what we all know is the truth.

Yes, every word uttered in Pastor Wrights sermon concerning his condemnation of America for her history of inhumanity to man is sadly and shamefully true.
For the record, I doubt most people who have openly condemned Dr Wright for his flammable statements have actually read or heard them in their entirety. We have been fed snippets of the sermon in order to inflame those they needed to reach, seems they did a great job. The heedless Americans, responded as they knew you would, therefore you have a controversy, not I.

In a somewhat unrelated question, ask yourself this one. Had a third world dictator such as say Hugo Chavez pulled the same stunt as George Bush and Dick Cheney, invading a sovereign country with no probable cause, what would have happened?

Everything I now says these are war crimes yet no one speaks on this issue, explain?

Jeff S---Couldn't agree with you more. I don't think any of these Candidates are capable of running our Country. Sad truly sad.

That wasn't an interview, it was an infomercial for Wright. Moyers served up softball after softball to Wright. Never pressing him on any of the crazy views he had. Wright contradicted his own views several times and not a peep from Moyers. This was not good journalism, or TV.

It’s simple, if the issue of slavery bothers you, move on. Be the bigger man and move on. Just ignore it. You don’t have to pay anything, so your good. As a matter of fact, use this post as an official certificate that exonerates you from any blame.

I ___________ have officially been exonerated from any blame of owning slaves. The issue is for my government to settle while I keep my nose out of that which does not concern me.

I think what it is really scary about this interview is that people actually agree with some of the Statements made by Wright. I did watch the whole tape and I didn't feel any different then I did when I only saw small bits. I'm tired of the Reverend and I think Obama is also tired of him. He has distant himself from him. Now what does that tell you?

Bill, You made Larry King look like a Cy Young Award winner. What a joke...

Dawn,

Your points are well made. I am not afraid of any Black man doing any job. More power to them in any endevor they try in life and the same for any man or woman. I just feel Mr. Obama is not the right man for this time, nor is John McCain or Mrs. Clinton. We are in a tough spot and these three do not cut it. They all have too much baggage in their carpet bag!

Bill, you threw the Reverand a softball and then another one and on and on it went. Why no tough questions for the Man of God. I am 48 years old and have been raised in Lutheran and Methodist Churches all my life and I have never heard a Pastor take the name of the Lord My God in vein. Has the Man of God, Reverand Wright not read the 10 Commandments? Maybe he feels they do not apply to him. They apply to "all" of us Reverand. Shame on you. JUst because you serve this nation in the uniform of our military(thank you for your service)does that give you the right to berate the USA? Not where I come from. Montana, Idaho and Washington State. Oh, they are too white to understand you Reverand. I do not think so. This is where we are in America today? Your speechs are not OK. Shameful, distasteful, disrespectful and yes, unpatriotic. You as a man of the cloth are supposed to bring people together, not divide them. Open mouth insert feet! The Lord is watching you Reverand. Better think about that.

Please tell your friends in mainstream America, particularly those who are Conservatives - or those who may be White, male, and over 50 - that their paranoia is getting the best of them, and the media needs to quit pandering toward it.

Tell them that at the crux of this issue is that THEY are the ones who are AFRAID. They are AFRAID of Black men in positions of leadersihip. Malcolm X was not and Louis Farrakhan is not interested in killing you or doing you any physical harm - period. Reverend Jeremiah Wright is NOT a threat to you!

Jesse Jackson and Al Shaprton to not support legislation - nor do they lead movements - that result in the disenfranchisement of White people.

Barack Obama is not running for President for only the Black community. He is not just in it "for the Blacks." You will not lose your current socioeconomic or political status just because the President is Black. It will not cost you one red cent or a morsel of food out of your mouth. You WILL, however, have to COMPETE, in a way that you never have before, because automatic entitlement will be OVER for ALL people.

This is not about Jeremiah Wright. This is about Barack Obama's ability to lead this country and the ability to garner the support of both Democrats and Republicans in order to get legislation passed that benefits ALL Americans. ANd if White people can't get over their own paranioa, fear, and guilt to see the truth, then we will continue to get the kinds of representation in our government that we have always had, and absolutely NO PROGRESS WILL BE MADE.

After this lovefest that was advertised as a interview, I'm wondering how Moyers can call himself a journalist. It was appalling to watch such a travesty of journalism. PBS should be ashamed of itself. As a member of PBS for over 35 years, I will not be renewing my membership !

Scary thought: In Germany in the 1930's and 40's there was a racist leader that spewed racial hatred that could be compressed into 10 and 20 second snippets. People also blindly followed him and thought he was "telling it like it is".

Fast forward 60 years and we have another racist (a "preacher") spewing vile rhetoric(that can also be compressed into 10 and 20 second snippets) against his country and his countrymen and people blindly back his play. These sheeple are the ones "stuck on stupid".

We are in some deep poo, people.

It was quite apparent that many of the posts are from those that are still "Stuck on Stupid." How in the world can anyone think that this man is a racist, teaches hate or anything else negative for that matter? This is clearly a man of God and like God says if you mess with his children, you will reap the consequence. This man was appointed as was Senator Barrack Obama to fulfill a divine purpose. Read your bible because it is apparent that many still do not understand, yet comprehend what the Bible truly says. And yet many say that they are Christians.

For Pastor Wright:

Isaiah 54:17 - no weapon that is fashioned against you shall prosper, and you shall confute every tongue that rises against you in judgment. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD and their vindication from me, says the LORD."


Well.
Today is days after the great interview with Bill and the Reverend. Since then, the meek mild man of God who spoke with Bill has taken off his mask and the firebrand angry American-hating man has evolved. Bill should be embarrassed for being taken in by the charlatan. Since then there have been many more moments of "sound bites" but also words from the man himself. MLK would roll over in his grave when Obama compared the Rev. to him. Shame.

PBS, thank you for being a place (almost the only place) where I can get some truth and in-depth insight. You all are thinkers unlike the mainstream media who is interested in sensationalism and entertainment. I am starving for real journalism out there, but I know that I can get fed here. Bill Moyer's Journal focusing on Rev. Wright was real. God Bless.

You really want to know what is sad? The fact that those of you who know nothing of Dr. Wright other than the 10 seconds of tape played 50 times per day by Sean Hannity are so willing to vilify and destroy him. And some of you call yourselves Christians.

Sean Hannity is a coward. He wants to jump over this sentence taken WAY out of context and wants to use it to attack a man who didn't even say it (Barack Obama).

There is no way any person of intelligence would do this. A thinking man would listen to the entire context, as Mr. Moyers aired, and from that make a determination as to whether they agree or disagree.

I don't think honestly that most people who heard the entire passage believe the rhetoric as the media (Hannity) has hammered into the ethers. Perhaps it is the truth staring people in the face makes them so uncomfortable that blaming the victim, passing responsibility to something/someone else makes it easy, and certainly feels better.

Wake up ladies and gentlemen. See what is really going on outside of your neighborhood. Life does not end at your subdivision.

Bill you have done a great public service by informing us and in the bargain you may have rescued the dignity of a very honorable man.

Something tells me that this time Republican tricks may not be that effective....eventhough the press was asleep.

Hard to figure Bill and Hillary's excuse for cruxifying the pastor?

What a disgrace! Now I read that "Reverend" Wright is going to live in a $1,000,000 house in a gated community and is being endowed with a $10,000,000 trust fund;all courtesy of his church.

Seems to me that if Mr. Wright is so concerned about the downtrodden people of his race that he should give at least 90% of the money to help with HIV education classes, birth control classes, etc.

That will never happen as he is a racist hippocrit that is no better than Paula White, Kenneth Copeland and the other WHITE preachers that live high on the hog at the expense of others.

Shame on them all; but particularly shame on Wright as he accepts all the good that America offers and then runs America and a majority of her people down with his hateful rhetoric.

It's sad that many, many people are ignorant enough to buy into his garbage and support him.

Sad day for America.

I have been very busy the last couple of days and have not read any of the postings. I did listen to Rev. Wrights speech via NCAA last night. I watched News programs tonight because I wanted to see if anyone could possibly find fault with the things he said. I was amazed that most of the media did. WHY??? As I said in an earlier post, I am white conservative Catholic, but I was raised in a Baptist family. I heard things like Rev. Wright said all the time. Nobody criticized our minister. My sister, who is married to a Baptist missionary has said the same things, and they are missionaries to the military. I wonder to myself if it is merely because Barak Obama is black or if he just dared to oppose Hilary Clinton. I sent Obama an email several months ago telling him that I thought he might be too naive to run against a machine like Hilary's. I didn't realize at the time that he would be having to fight the whole Rush Limbaugh machine too. Rush believes that if all independents vote for Hilary it will keep the Democratic party fighting dirty and will assure a McCain victory. Funny that he didn't want McCain in the beginning. Where are his morals. I won't go into my beliefs about the Bush administration except to say that I believe he will go down in history as a president who has done all he can do to protect our country. I believe in, and will defend, most of what he has done. I have two nephews that I love very much fighting in Baghdad right now. Both of them believe, 100% in what they are doing. One of them has volunteered for the 3rd time and the other one for the 2nd time. None of that changes the corruptness in the Senate and Congress of our country. Obama is the only candidate who seems to understand that the big Machines are ruining our country. O'reilly did what he always does tonight. He took bits and pieces, and mostly showed the old sound snippets. I didn't even stay up to watch Hannity and Colmes. I just wish that people were smart enough to realize that while O'Reilly claims to like Obama, he does all he can do to show him as 'guilty by association'. with Rev. Wright when the Rev. is only saying the same thngs that, not only black preachers, say but what a lot of white Baptist preachers and also my beloved Pope says. Why can't people be smart enough to realize that Religion and Politics are really not meant to be connected. We vote for whom our religious beliefs lead us, but we do not vote according to what we believe the candidate's religious beliefs are. We find the candidate that we think reflects our beliefs most strongly.
I disagree with a lot, in fact, most, of Obama's policies yet I will probably vote for him because he is the only candidate who represents to me the kind of change America needs. It is that simple to me. I admire his integrity. Every day that passes makes me lean stronger towards him. Tuesday I will definitely cast my vote, here in Indiana for Obama. Nothing that McCain has said so far has convinced me that he would be a better president. There is nothing that would ever make me vote for Hilary Clinton.

I am going further than not ever giving PBS another dime, I'm going to visit every germane chat room, blog, and put up my own web page. I don't have to exagerate, just quote J. Wright's supposed interview with your mealy mouthed, journalist(?)Bill Moyers. How can a man who puports to be a journalist, not question at least some of the racial rhetoric spewing forth from Mr.(?)Wright? Does he really believe that our "GodDamn America" developed HIV and spread it in the black communities? Does that account for the 70% unwed births in the black inner cities. Maybe the government developed a stuck on stupid gene, and infused it into the black community, that causes the unwed birth rate to be what it is today. Unprotected sex spreads AIDS, just as it causes their unwed birth rates to soar. The impetus for that, harkins to the "great society" that rewarded young black girls to have as many kids as possible, to increase their government check amounts. Bill Moyers is nothing short of a white Jessie Jackson, or black apologist, never taking responsibility for anything. There are more blacks per capita incarcerated, simply because they commit more crimes, per capita. PBS is now in bed with the other mainstream media outlets, who whine and cry, "poor black America" if only the whites would give them everything, they are too lazy to work for. Only FOX will tell the truth, but how long they can hold out is unknown. PBS is now, pardon my pun, on my black list. Bill Moyers is a spineless, mealy mouthed black apologist, not worthy of being called a journalist.

Moyers gives Wright a pass on selective history

Expanded editions of Wright’s “sermons” only made him worse. Among only one example, Wright noted America’s dropping the A-bomb on Hiroshima “Without bating an eye.” But the land war was on schedule and expected to kill up to 2 million more Japanese and Americans over another 2-3 years. The last 6 months before Hiroshima cost more American lives than the previous 4 as Japan triumphed in Manchuria. Truman and staff considered a myriad of options. Warn Japan of the new weapon? Would they send even more American POWs to ground zero as Truman knew those already there would die? Give a demo to Japan? What if it was a dud?. There were only two. Would that embolden Japan already fighting to the death on every island? But such facts do not serve Wright’s agenda to assign blame on whites and thus maintain power (ala Shelby Steele), nor reduce his hatred of those whites who chained and enslaved him as he said the following weekend after Moyers – which of course never happened.

As a “critical” reporter quite familiar with history, one wonders why Moyers gave Wright a pass? Unless he was following orders (direct or in spirit) to a democratic party desire to respin Wright – which failed.

I've already posted my comment on this travesty of journalism. But a liberal friend of mine said to me today " Rev Wright can't be all bad,after all he was in the Marine Corp". And I said to him " so was Lee Harvey Oswald" !

Robert Stiefel:

What mistake? It was Wright who invoked Malcolm X's remark "... Chickens coming home to roost." in the wake of September 11th. However correct Malcolm X's comment regarding the JFK assassination was some 40 years ago is not the issue. It is simply that Wright's use of that inciting phrase is so mis-directed, unsympathetic and corrupt morally in light of the fact that innocent people of all stripes cruelly died that day. My Brother is dead and cannot defend himself. I will not tolerate any affront to his suffering and death. I cannot make myself any clearer. Careful reading of my post reveals no error. Moreover, my expressed sentiment regarding Reverend Wright's attitude towards September 11th still stands.

John

Thank you for offering your viewers an opportunity to hear Rev. Wright's sermon. I read the transcript of his sermon in the Chicago Defender but it helps to be able to see it as well.

Pastors in many churches after 9/11 were urging their parishioners to resist the understandable urge for retaliation. Rev. Wright was not alone.

Best regards,

first, i would like to thank you, bill moyers, for listening to your subject and not bringing a pre-planned agenda to the interview a la fox, cnn, et al...you get the picture.

next, the arrogance of the comments i've seen is amazing, including those who believe they are being fair minded...things are all "cleared up" about Rev. Wright as if he needs your approval?

you, america, who benefit from discrimination in education, employment, and finance today, this day, in addition to benefitting from the genocide of native americans, slavery, jim crow, poll taxes, dred scott, plessey v. ferguson, standardized tests, lynching, police acquittals in "liberal" NY in the amadou diallou, sean bell, eleanor bumpers (are you going to call her a drug dealer, too?) and other cases ad nausem; tell me when i should stop.

how many blacks work as traders on wall street? how could david dinkins not get re-elected in supposedly "democratic NYC"? let me help you; because you vote your color, white, then deride blacks and other ethnic groups for doing the same. if rev. wright had not come along to give you an excuse for not voting for a black man (who has worked overtime to downplay his blackness), you would have invented one.

how many blacks are in prison, one million? a judge acquits the NYPD and wesley snipes gets 3 years for misdemeanors? why have bush/cheney/rove and everyone in their cabinet not been tried for war crimes, or at minimum, bush/cheney impeached? what happened to habeas corpus? the fourth amemdment? what about warrentless wiretapping? you do not hold these (s)elected officials accountable because you like things exactly the way they are. i am embarrassed to be an american, no, ashamed.

also, i don't want to hear about this post being in lower case. if you don't like it, read poet e.e. cummings, only for the "case", not the politics. if you still insist on reading in upper case, try poet langston hughes for truth relevant to black america. on second thought, don't bother. the evidence from 1619 to 2008 says that you remain in denial and your minds are made up.

Not another cent for PBS, after this embarassing interview.

im always amazed at how diverse opinions can be between the left and right minded posters. its obvious that left leaners are presupposed to be sympathetic to Wright and Moyers. thus offering little critisism and porfuse praise. Though to be fair the right is very critical of Moyers interview. to me it was a forgone outcome. we have moyers who is a left wing like minded guilt ridden white man trying to forever pay pennance to the black for past wrongs. and of course Wright is completely justified in his unabashed hatered of the country, the same country and opertunities that have allowed him to accrue a huge amount of wealth and creature comforts, that im sure he despises every time he pulls his beemer into the garage at his beautiful multi million dollar home. but it is america. and hes a citisen ....i think. anyway he can pedel hate of the usa and whites, and promote anti white racism. i mean hes a black minister after all. we can all look the other way while he trashes us cant we? its only fair and as a plus it relieves us a small amout of our white guilt to allow him his say. You really do have to admire wright. i mean hes going to take his message as far as obama`s back and campaign will take it. im sure hes got a condo he needs to pay off somewhere and all the publicity will make it a lock that he will get the speaking engagements. way to go rev. obama didnt really have a chance to win anyway did he rev? yea. you know it man, go get what you can for yourself. the american way(thumbs up)

ok nuff of this, this is a textbook case of why PBS should be cut off and left to die on the vine. moyers is a joke, worse than that really. wright is in it for his 15 mins of fame. take that for what its worth,.im sure he is.

Hello,

I typically don’t write programs but in this case I think you are so wrong I can’t contain myself. What you are saing trying to gloss over what the traitor Jeramiah Wright has and is still saying is pathetic. I am by no means a right winger as a matter of fact I lean much more left but I am still an American and a Veteran and I am completely offended by what this idiot is spewing and what is just as offensive is the news media like you that is supporting him. Can’t you see he is now trying to “explain” what he said and whine about everything except the fact that HE SAID IT and is still saying it. I was not a Hillary supporter but I am now and I really thought highly of you but not now, now you have demonstrated that you are just a pathetic lackey and are defending a tyrant. Obama is a liar when he says he didn’t now about what Wrigt was saying, that or he is way too stupid to be president.

Too bad for you,

An ex fan

That interview friday night was a disgrace to every true journalist in the country. I thought Larry King was a softball artist, but he doesn't hold a candle to Moyers. It makes me sick to see my tax dollar going to trash like this interview on PBS.Hey Bill, another Peabody Award for this great piece of journalism? I think not.....

Being neither African American or a Caucasian, I feel compelled to give what I consider to be an unbiased opinion. Watching this farce of an interview just proves that there is no end to the guilt complex of liberal whites and the two faced attitudes of select African Americans who are willing to exploit this guilt while living a double standard in multi- million dollar houses in predominantly white neighborhoods, while spewing hateful rhetoric about America and its past.
Shame on you PBS for allowing this sham of an interview, Mr. Moyers for your spineless approach and you Mr. Wright, for being a warmonger! Thank goodness Mr. Obama has had the sense to distance himself from you..

Thanks Moyers, you stunningly naive and myopic twit, for torpedoing Sen. Obama's campaign. Neat work. A question: How much are the Clintons paying you? Or are you back in cahoots with your old Texas buddy Rove?

Bill, way to ask the hard hitting question the majority of Americans want to know about. I would love for you to pitch softballs against my team

Okay, everyone on here that owned slaves or were slaves, raise your hands...
Hmmm, no hands---Okay, everyone on here whose parents or grandparents owned slaves or were slaves please raise their hands....Hmmm, again no hands.

Come on people get over it. Can't we just move along as Americans and quit all this "pity party" stuff. There have been plenty of races that have been treated badly years and years and years ago. You don't hear them perpetually whining. They've moved on. Time for others to do the same.

As to Moyers and his milquetoast interview of Reverend Wrong; Don't get me started! Wimpy, pandering questions. Where were the hardball questions regarding HIV, U.S. as terrorist, etc. that would deal with the ignorant invective that Wright spews out on a daily basis. The man is as much of a racist as David Duke ever thought of being. He is the black equivalent of a Grand Dragon of the KKK. Nuff said!

How is this sermon leading people to Jesus Christ? In Reverend Wright's own words, "Hillary aint never been called a n...r" in the video link below. Someone explain this as a proper use of the pulpit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAYe7MT5BxM

I LOVE YOU REVEREND JEREMIAH WRIGHT AND BILL MOYERS!!!! PBS YOU ARE THE BEST!!!!!!!

How is this sermon leading people to Jesus Christ? In Reverend Wright's own words, "Hillary aint never been called a n...r" in the video link below. Someone explain this as a proper use of the pulpit.

http://www.youtube.com/watc
h?v=hAYe7MT5BxM

Kevin,

I agree with you. However, the posts that follow will thank Mr. Moyers for allowing Reverend Wright to give his side of things on a few points. Reverend Wright, Mr. Moyer, or all of the thankful posters can cannot the dots with all of the hurtful and divisive things Reverend Wright has said, and continues to say today. The non-Wright lovers are in the minority on this blog, for sure.

Bill,

Another great interview. You gave Rev. Wright a chance to set the record straight, and he delivered the goods. He is far from the fanatic that the MSM is making him out to be. After seeing this interview it is obvious how poor a job the MSM has done in covering the Rev. Wright.No wonder Obama stuck by Rev. Wright. He sees him for the honorable man of God he is. This video should be must viewing for the entire media which can't seem to comprehend the teachings of Rev. Wright.

Is there still racism in our country, yes, but by preaching about it and making up lies that USA gave black people aids, is CRAZY!! and only creates more racism! I've had a black teacher who was fired for calling a classmate a "Nazi" and when they got rid of her, she sued the school because she felt she was let go because she was black and WON! That is CRAZY!! Racism is horrible, but so is reverse racism, we need to stop all the blame game and grow as a country!

Thank you for having Rev. Wright on the air. I really didn't know anything about him other than the media frenzy junk food we have all been given. He is obviously a very intelligent man and sincerely concerned about the people in his community.

It is so sad that questioning America's foreign policy, for example, makes people hate him. From all I can see he is speaking the truth. Wake up America, your country can do wrong, and does wrong all the time, from its very beginning through today. The only way you can help is to point out the problems and find solutions.

God Bless America! And that goes for those of all ethnicities but what no one understands, except for blacks, is that America is racist today. Based on pieces of information, Pastor Wright had already been destroyed. He had already received death threats. His church members were harrassed. Do you think that there will be a pubic apology from FOX News or the many many other publications that lamblasted him? Remember that Bill Moyers was the only one who gave Pastor Wright a chance to clear his name.

This is what African Americans deal with every day. We are attacked and crucified by the very people that we work for and work with in this country and because they live in a myth, they won't even try to understand.

It has only been about 40 years since "integration" occured (as we can see from these posts, it really hasn't occured). I'm 32 and my generation was one of the first to go to integrated schools from kindergarten through college. We dealt with the racist teachers that were left over from Jim Crowe days. We dealt with the text books that only taught us that we were slaves and the white teachers that did the same. Imagine being 16 and remembering that you once dressed up like George Washington and sang about the Mayflower. It's enough to throw a black kid into an "identity crisis" and that's exactly what it does.

Reverend Wright has used his pulpit to get into the political arena. His primary job is to lead people to Jesus Christ. He needs to stay out of the politcal fray. Some of the things he has said are paraphrased below. They will not lead people to Jesus Christ.

1. Barack Obama says [untruthful] things because he is a politician.
2. US govt. is a terrorist govt, equivalent to those we are fighting in the Middle East
3. US govt. created AIDS virus to kill African-Americans.
4. US govt. brings drugs into the black community to imprison blacks.
5. US of KKK is a valid description of our country
6. US military was not justified in using nuclear weapons to force Japan to surrender in World War II.
7. Today, he made fun of JFK's Bostonian accent when he mimmicked JFK's "ask not what your country can do for you" famous words.
8. Hillary aint never been called a "n..."
9. Bill Clinton is "ridin' dirty"

You people see one interview and think Bill moyers show was great, go to his archive and see how he turns the table when the Preacher is white and consevitive. he blasted Pastor John Hagge ,and tried to hurt John MCcain's campaign,now compare the two, Bill Moyer is a left leaning biased two faced commie. ps.why does he keep deleting my message. don't belive me just keep track and see for yourself.

Dear America

Senator Obama's words regarding a portion of America as being “bitter" is accurate.

The Southern Poverty Law Center reports that hate groups have grown by forty eight percent (48%) between the years 2000 to 2007. This is a sign of increased bitterness in our nation. There are twenty six (26) recognized hate groups in New York State alone. Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols are the tip of this bitterness that continues to grow as people lose faith in their government.

The vigilante actions by many on our borders with Mexico with guns in hand against workers trying to find work in America. These actions are being taken by citizens who have lost faith in their government's ability to secure the border. This is the anti-immigrant attitude that Senator Obama describes. The various local municipal ordinances being passed against undocumented workers are occurring mostly in small American communities not in the big cities.

The borders were secure until President William Jefferson Clinton signed NAFTA and subsequently PNTR with China. These trade bills destroyed good union jobs with health benefits and pensions here in America. The North American Free Trade Agreement destroyed Mexican jobs and forced this mass migration north.

The New York Times reported that during the Kerry-Bush election of 2004, working class people were knowingly voting against their economic interests because of their religious beliefs. The “Hot Button” item at that time was Gay marriage.

The media has given a pass to Senator Clinton regarding her lying about her arrival in Bosnia. You do not forget being shot at and certainly not when you are being shot at with an AK-47 with your only child in tow. This is not a little white lie or the result of sleep deprivation. Her statement is a bold and clear lie. Like her husband before her, she is against trade bills until elected. Your key strategist is working to get a trade bill passed while you are opposed to said bill. Why is the journalist community giving her a pass while continuing to attack Barack Obama for what other people have said or done?

It is important to note that after the Million Man March, crime has gone down significantly. Minister Louis Farrakhan was seated at the White House with Ronald Reagan and recognized for using his influence in the Muslim world to secure the release of Lt. Robert O. Goodman on January 4, 1984. He was invited to Philadelphia by then Mayor Rendell to speak and help heal the racial divide; holding hands, singing and lavishing praise on April 15, 1997. On May 5, 2005, former President Bill Clinton praised Minister Farrakhan and the Millions More Movement describing it as a positive idea.

The media has become bottom feeders and have not helped to elevate the dialogue between the candidates. The American peoples’ issues: Jobs, healthcare, social security, education and the war are more important than the mistakes made while speaking since all must admit to doing that.

F. Christophe Silvera, Secretary – Treasurer, International Brotherhood of Teamsters, Local #808 22-43 Jackson Avenue, Long Island City, NY 11101
Tel: 917-297-2241, email: fitzverity@aol.com

Peace & Blessings to ALL !!!
In regards to the comments of Rev., Dr. J. Wright, I preface with this scripture from Proverb 13:16, “Every prudent man deals with knowledge: but a fool lays open his folly.” (Read the entire chapter for better CONTEXTUAL meaning !!! )
Also, there's a scripture that states, "For those that have eyes, let them see...for those that have ears, let them hear... " It's very unfortunate that many who have or will comment after "hearing" Dr. Wright's comments, "heard," but did NOT "Listen," and with that of an "Open Mind." A "mind" that is in DENIAL of historical FACTS about this nation’s history of VIOLENCE from it's beginning. PYSCH 101 teaches one that "Extreme Denial" of Reality is a form of mental illness, whether that is mild (neurosis) to severe (psychosis). The American Psyche has been "sickened" from its GENOCIDE of Native peoples in the Americas, to its unprecedented form of chattel slavery of tens of millions of Africans... which continues today in various forms of Institutionalized Racism, Sexism, and Classism (which includes the economic disenfranchisement of the poor, of ALL ethnicities)!!! ... for those who would say either, "I had nothing to do with these atrocities," (have NO understanding of “Dominant Group Privilege”) or worse yet, would utter, with No Compassion, "To get over it !,"... simply, such thinking proves the degree to ones' "mental illness / denial of reality !!" (also, go tell that to Jews about the “Jewish Holocaust” or Japanese Americans, who demanded & received REPARATIONS for their being placed in "Concentration Camps" during WW II !! ) ...and yet the "Collective Consciousness" of this nation DENIES the past & present (Sean Bell) INJUSTICES that have oppressed African Americans in these United States. For those who refuse (per Dr. King's "Dream") to "Judge a man (woman) by the content of his(her) character, as oppose to the color of his(her) skin" (eg. Yeshua/Jesus, Krishna, Buddha, Harriet Tubman, Sojourner Truth, Gandhi, Dr. M.L. King, Jr. ...and many other great "Prophets" of "Color" & JUSTice), then YOU, Sir/Madame, are truly a hypocrite to the founding credo of this nation (based on Judeo-Christian values) that "ALL Men are created EQUAL !...," although as an historian, I know that this was paradoxically not extended to peoples of "color" (yellow, red, brown or black) nor women !! To DENY this TRUTH, is to DENY REALITY, and therefore, prove one's insanity !!

Equally unfortunate is the pervasive IGNORANCE that plagues this nation, via the "dumbing down" of the populace of "Free and Open Minded" THINKERS !!...people admit with "false pride" of being "Ditto-heads" (of the likes of "Rush Lobotomy" or some other "PUNdits" !??!) As an educator, many do NOT do their homework before speaking...for they do NOT "study to show themselves approved..." and nor do they "prove ye ALL things...," because a "fool opens wide his mouth...," etc. The scriptures are replete about NOT being a "Critical Thinker," then speaking like "fools." ...for those who would contend that Dr. Wright is such a person, I challenge YOU to refute ANY of the FACTS that he has stated...ever !! As imperfect, as we ALL are as children of the HUman RACE (the only ONE), then if you find more than 5% inaccuracies of what he's ever stated, then by all means, PRESENT them here...and if not, REALize, that YOU and others are simply, "...as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal !!"

But I will concede you this, in so far as his being "divisive" or "polarizing": Per Biology 101, "There is NO Human Sub-species or Race, for there is Only ONE "Homo Sapien-sapien" Specie, and per Sociology 101, "Race IS a SOCIAL CONSTRUCTION, and therefore not real, biologically or genetically !!" Whereby, our use of terms of "Race" or "Color" simply speaks to PHENOTYPICAL differences ("surface stuff "/superficialities)...which "are NOT Deficiencies !!!" And terms like "BLACK" and "WHITE" are Antithetical (denotatively and connotatively), and are therefore is its SOCIAL Usage, POLARIZING and DIVISIVE !!! ... so, Sen. Obama was "right" about Dr. Wright, in this regard, yet also WRONG in his continued usage of such terms / "LABELS of "Secondary Deviance" (per SOCY / PYSCH 101)... in essence, as long as WE continue to USE such "Colorizing" relics of Racism / White Supremacy, via affirming these FALSE notions of "different" RACES (for there are Different ETHNIC and CULTURAL Expressions), then WE (Collectively) Will CONTINUE to see a "Racial Divide" in these "DIS-United States" of America, or as the "down trodden" would say, "AmeriKKKa" !!! UNDERSTAND this: Per Vygotsky’s theory of “Social Constructivist Theory,” we learn through our social / cultural interactions, therefore we PERCEIVE “Reality” DIFFERENTLY ...and yet, is NOT a DEFICIENCY !!! …sadly notions of “White Supremacy” had seen “the Other” as “Different and Deficient !!” …as a history teacher, I teach my students to be OBJECTIVE Historians, one must understand that “Perspective determines Perception,” so one must look at ALL sides / Perspectives in order to get a FULL “Picture” of the “Truth” of an event / occurrence … isn’t this what one strives to do in a court of law ?!?...but in this country, “History” or the “law / Justice is NOT blind ”…color blind, that is !! ** (also, check out Dr. Edwin Nichols’ “The Development of Cultural Competence,” to understand the Axiology & Epistemology of Different Ethnic Groups) *
…but let me leave YOU with a Prayer of HOPE (one of the important "Fruits of GOD's Spirit), whereby in the “Judeo-Christian” book of Dr. Wright’s namesake, it notes these TWO things, which he speaks to: Jeremiah 18:8, “If a nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil (Native Genocide, African Slavery, etc.) I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them (“G.D.A.!!!”) …verse 12, “And they said, There is NO HOPE: but we will walk after our own devices, and we will every one DO the imagination of his evil heart.” …Jer.17:9 states, “the heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked:...” yet verse 7 states, “Blessed is the man that trusts in the Lord, and whose HOPE the Lord is !!! ” [emphasis mine] And lastly, as I began, Prov. 13:12 states,

“HOPE deferred makes the heart sick, but when the desire comes, it is a Tree of LIFE !!! ” [e.m.]

In Peace & Love

Dear America

Senator Obama's words regarding a portion of America as being “bitter" is accurate.

The Southern Poverty Law Center reports that hate groups have grown by forty eight percent (48%) between the years 2000 to 2007. This is a sign of increased bitterness in our nation. There are twenty six (26) recognized hate groups in New York State alone. Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols are the tip of this bitterness that continues to grow as people lose faith in their government.

The vigilante actions by many on our borders with Mexico with guns in hand against workers trying to find work in America. These actions are being taken by citizens who have lost faith in their government's ability to secure the border. This is the anti-immigrant attitude that Senator Obama describes. The various local municipal ordinances being passed against undocumented workers are occurring mostly in small American communities not in the big cities.

The borders were secure until President William Jefferson Clinton signed NAFTA and subsequently PNTR with China. These trade bills destroyed good union jobs with health benefits and pensions here in America. The North American Free Trade Agreement destroyed Mexican jobs and forced this mass migration north.

The New York Times reported that during the Kerry-Bush election of 2004, working class people were knowingly voting against their economic interests because of their religious beliefs. The “Hot Button” item at that time was Gay marriage.

The media has given a pass to Senator Clinton regarding her lying about her arrival in Bosnia. You do not forget being shot at and certainly not when you are being shot at with an AK-47 with your only child in tow. This is not a little white lie or the result of sleep deprivation. Her statement is a bold and clear lie. Like her husband before her, she is against trade bills until elected. Your key strategist is working to get a trade bill passed while you are opposed to said bill. Why is the journalist community giving her a pass while continuing to attack Barack Obama for what other people have said or done?

It is important to note that after the Million Man March, crime has gone down significantly. Minister Louis Farrakhan was seated at the White House with Ronald Reagan and recognized for using his influence in the Muslim world to secure the release of Lt. Robert O. Goodman on January 4, 1984. He was invited to Philadelphia by then Mayor Rendell to speak and help heal the racial divide; holding hands, singing and lavishing praise on April 15, 1997. On May 5, 2005, former President Bill Clinton praised Minister Farrakhan and the Millions More Movement describing it as a positive idea.

The media has become bottom feeders and have not helped to elevate the dialogue between the candidates. The American peoples’ issues: Jobs, healthcare, social security, education and the war are more important than the mistakes made while speaking since all must admit to doing that.

F. Christophe Silvera, Secretary – Treasurer, International Brotherhood of Teamsters, Local #808 22-43 Jackson Avenue, Long Island City, NY 11101
Tel: 917-297-2241, email: fitzverity@aol.com

Great show as always.
I'm always pleased at how you manage to get great guests and great interviews from them. It feels as though we truly are seeing INTO them and beyond the image associated with them. Speaking of that, could you coax Bill O'Reilly into an interview? I'd like to see how he is with a gracious host who wants more than "Talking Points." I hope if you extend an invitation that he would be gracious as well and *accept* the invitation.

Appalled,

Your response is exactly the problem facing our country that I noted below. For every one of your examples, they apppear to be biased, sarcastic "anti-facts" in your eyes. What right do you have to pass judgment on others until you have walked in their shoes? If you can fulfill the following criteria, I will shut up.

1) Been called a white, black, asian, and every other categorical racist epithet known to man kind because one does not "fit" the ethnic labels of the US Govt (or any other govt for that matter)
2) Been the subject of Jim Crow discrimination in school, life, worship, and work as well as other types of discrimination, even today
3) Had relatives fight and die for the US as late as Vietnam in SEGREGATED units with DEROGATORY nicknames (the "Yellow Brigade", "Black-Eyed Peas", etc.)
4) Been on the receiving end of a nuclear weapon (I lost family fighting for the US in both the Pacific and Atlantic theatres in segregated units so I have a vested voice here)
5) Seen the effects first hand of the hegemonic poicies of the US. Go to Vietnam, Laos, Iraq, the Middle East, etc. Dig through the destroyed economies, smell the sewage, live among the slums and despair like I have. Try looking out over your fields which you once tilled to feed your family but now cannot do it because US cluster bombs litter it. You are limbless because you were desparate and did try it, only to get a limb blown off. If you really think our government (or any government) is perfect, you are brainwashed as hell or really naive. What right do we in the US have to tell others how to live their lives when we have extreme injustices in our country? We have no damn right to be in Iraq, period.
6)What do you think the FEDERAL yellow laws dating from the late 1800's until Johnson repealed the last one in the 1960's were? They meet the KKK litmus test. Were you ever subjected to them?
7)What were the Tuskogee experiments??

No, we have come a long way from the injustices of the past. But we sure as hell have a much longer way to go as your ignorance and others comments on this blog demonstrate. We can only look toward the future by ACKNOWLEDGING and UNDERSTANDING the misdeeds of the past and seeking to build a better future for our children by learning from these mistakes. To cling to these misdeeds and use them as justification for continued biases and misdeeds is a recipe for another Middle East. And no, I do not agree with everything Wright has to say. But he speaks more truth than you do.

I enjoyed the interview and was delighted to hear Reverend Wright speak at length. I have a question though, when will you host Bill O' Reilly so that he gets a chance to show us what he's like when he's not on his show. I hope that he can be as honest, yet nuanced as Reverend Wright. I also hope that should you extend an invitation that Mr. O'Reilly would do you the kindness of *accepting.*

Great show as always.

Most the people who have posted on this blog appear to agree with Reverend Wright. Below are tidbits from Reverend Wright. A lot posters like them.

1. Barack Obama says things because he is a politician.
2. US govt. is a terrorist govt, equivalent to those we are fighting in the Middle East
3. US govt. created AIDS virus to kill African-Americans.
4. US govt. brings drugs into the black community to imprison blacks.
5. US of KKK is a valid description of our country
6. US military was not justified in using nuclear weapons to force Japan to surrender in World War II.
7. Today, he made fun of JFK's Bostonian accent when he mimmicked JFK's "ask not what your country can do for you" famous words.
8. Hillary aint never been called a "n..."
9. Bill Clinton is "ridin' dirty"

Great interview with Rev Wright. It was thorough and fair. I found Rev Wright to be honest, insightful, and gracious - all things missing from the media blitz against him. People like this are a national asset and public servants should not have to apologize for cultivating relationships with them. There are few places where good-will dissent has a home these days. Rev Wright was vindicated - if he needed it - and the Journal is to be credited with doing a good deed for all of us.

Thank you, Bill Moyers & Rev. Wright, for all of your comments last week. I was relieved to hear all that Rev. Wright had to say -- he was erudite & articulate & cleared up all of the controversy from those sound bites we kept hearing last week, & unfortunately, are still hearing days later. I can see why he is a revered pastor, & why people with the class & goodness of a Barack Obama would attend his church. From some of the comments already posted, I fear that not everybody actually listened to what he had to say or the "controversy" would have ended by the end of the interview. (For the record, I'm a white woman, well over 21, from the Chicago area, & Catholic. :-)

I really enjoyed the interview but I was hoping to hear the reverend talk about the AIDS origin allegation. Where can people learn about Wright's views on the origin of AIDS in Wright's own words?

I find it interesting that "John" thinks that Malcom X said something cruel and unacceptable about 911. Malcolm X was assassinated (in America by an American) forty years ago. This slip calls into question all that "John" offers as commentary. "John"s rhetoric betrays an intolerance of the sort he decries. I find this very sad. I suspect we all know whom "John" meant - and that asks the question: when we demonize one another, what good can come of it?

It is unfortunate that we, the human family, have allowed ourselves to be reduced to such nothingness. With the serious issues facing America, we are reduced to 30 second soundbites, especially from the candidates, to try to determine who to vote for for President. We are getting caught up in the nonsense of name calling instead of trying to determine the depth of the candidates ideas on fiscal policy, education, healthcare etc., We get to hear the same old doodoo over and over again. Think about what could be done with the money that has been raised by the candidates to even run for office. I believe in February, over 80 million dollars was raised between Clinton and Obama for their campaigns. THAT'S JUST FOR ONE MONTH! Just think about how that money could be used in your neighborhood or town or city or state. Schools, teachers raises, repairing the infrastructure (roads) providing services for those in need.

I pray that one day we will see that we are all one and put the madness to rest.

May god bless everyone, all over the world!

I was disappointed in the interview with Rev. Wright. Frankly when I saw his indendiary remarks in context I found them more disturbing, not less. What disturbed me most was the fawning tone you took with the Rev. He is entitled to his outlandish views, naturally, but I have asked my 12-year-old more challenging questions about his day at school. I could never vote for anyone who chose as his moral guide a man who has these feelings and who presumably must have exercised some influence over his protege all these years. How can we trust Obama's choice of Secretary of State or Treasury secretary of Supreme Court Justice when his choice of moral guide is so way out in the hinterland of reason?

I have read comments throughout this site and I find that with the interview a lot of things was cleared up, with modern technology it is so easy to make someone out to be a bad person, but to outright set out to destroy a person character, demean as a man and a person and what he stands for, the bible says yeah without sin cast the first stone, some of the comments are very harsh and if you would sit down and think about some of the things that have been about you or to you how did that make you feel, if someone would paint you as a very nasty, unhappy hateful person how would you feel, we sit and we judge and we condemn easily without all the facts and then when we are presented with the facts we still think we are right, people are entitled to how they feel, it is amazing to me that because of his comments he will be condemned as someone says until he dies but the lies that Hillary clearly made n national tv is easily forgiven, we live in a racist country and that is something we might as well face the is real this is no joke, people make stupid remarks all the time but the difference is where they come from, the problem with this attack is the difference is he is a pastor he is not running from office, if you mother was a alchoholic would you deny her because of her drinking we are so quick to make comments and to judge but unless you have stepped in someone shoes you don't have a clue, if you are not of african decent you don't have a clue to watch your family separated and sold like you buy clothes, you don't have a clue about see or viewing history of your race being hung on a tree you don't have clue about going to separate bathrooms because you were made to feel like filty rags, you don't have a clue but the very people that some of you look down you noses at are the ones who spend there time in the tanning spas trying to be like, everyone race creed or color has something in there life that has been destrimental to them so who are we to judge, we don't have a right, our primary focus should be on who is going to have our best interest at heart, look out for the people,everyone with a negative comments and who can't see the forest for the trees do an evaluation in your family tree and see don't you find some flaws, would you deny them no you would not so who are we, this is suppose to be the land of the free and the home of the brave, well it has turned into the land of lies and the home of they hypocrites, and the worst part to all of this is the news media that is suppose to be reporting the news with factual information go along with the deception of destroying someone character, how does that make us look we are no better than the foreign countries because we attack and kill our own, it depends on the color of the person there is always a stipulation and that does not convey with the 5th amendment freedom of speech, none of us have room to condemn anyone, NONE

Thanks, Mr. Moyers, for your interview with Rev. Wright. One of the comments on this site says that he is getting favorable reviews because the commentators must be black.
Well, I am white, and I was very glad to have had a chance to hear him over the course of the hour, rather than in 10 second snippets taken out of context. I think he explained himself very well.
If people would go back and read Martin Luther King's speech in April 1967, he said that "the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today is the United States." He was referring to our involvement in the Vietnam War which he came to see as an unjustified, evil and cruel invasion of another country. Millions of Vietnamese died and about 55,000 Americans - even more if you count those whose lives fell apart from the effects of fighting in Vietnam.
Dr. King's words were as strong as Rev. Wright's, and he was condemned for them, his patriotism questioned. The mass media today does not remind us of his forceful stand against U.S. policies that undermined peace in the world. He is incorrectly seen as a dreamer of a better world rather than the deep thinker and activist that he was.
Rev. Wright seems out of line because the media is rarely covering issues that question negative U.S. policies. He is reminding us that we need to see our history more accurately so that we can avoid the errors of the past and create a future that is truly secure and peaceful.

Dear Bill Moyers:


Thanks once again for providing the public with an opportunity to get a more holistic view of a good man that has been made a virtual enemy of the state by way of the propaganda that we call the MSM.


jaylynn writes: "But judging from these blogs, you and the Reverend sure fooled alot of people"

If anyone has been fooled, I would suggest that it is you who would rather cling the obviously false impression created by the propaganda you are so willing to accept with unthinking glee.

jaylynn writes:"If a White candidate went to a church for even one month where the minister preached the kind of hatred and bigotry..." What hatred and bigotry? Against who?

It seems that the only bigots and racists are those people who had access to the full range of information but decided to cherry-pick it for information that helps them to score some kind of narrow-minded racist victory. Jeremiah Wright is not running for office of the president and those comments are several years old so you are a little late to the self-righteous-indignation pity party. If you did not understand it the first time, go back and watch the program again only this time switch your brain in the on position.

jaylynn writes: "In fact, you functioned as an enabler for those who are happy to
continue this kind of racial hypocrisy, which has done so much to hurt our country."

I would change this to read: "In fact the mainstream media functioned as an enabler for those who are happy to continue this kind of racial hypocrisy." to that, I could not agree with you more.

For more information on this non-story and the phony outrage surrounding it please see

http://www.salon.com/opinion/kamiya/2008/03/25/rev_jeremiah_wright/
http://www.counterpunch.org/wise03182008.html

The nail and the dirt together. Who's the nail?

Dear Mr. Moyers,
Thank you for airing your conversation with Revered Jeremiah Wright April 25, 2008. In many ways I am the typical viewer of your show, eastern educated, liberal-minded Manhattanite and I watch your show whenever I am home at the time of its airing. Illuminating as it was, in so many ways, reverend Wright is not the issue for he clearly has every right to hold onto his beliefs and to speak to them. The real question for me is whether I would tolerate the polemic and vitriol coming on down from my pulpit. That answer is a defiant “No!” and I would expect nothing less of those for whom I would vote.
That said, in other ways I am quite unique a viewer of your show; my younger Brother perished in the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001. Having sat in a room of grief-stricken African-Americans similarly affected only the most cold-hearted of sadists would invoke as succor Malcolm X’s infamous phrase regarding the events of September 11th. And my personal response to Reverend Wright’s invocation of Malcolm X is for me to roundly tell him to go f*ck himself.

The Interview with Reverend Wright was very informative. Having only heard the sound bites, some are indeed taken out of context and hearing some of them in the context of the sermon clarifies the issue. There are some that were not discussed during the interview clearly where there was not enough time. In the final portion of the interview Reverend Wright discussed some variance with the text of the bible (I believe approval of concubines) and the need for interpretation. It would seem reasonable to apply some of the same logic to a recitation of "an eye for an eye',a vengeful Lord's words in an Old Testament framework compared to the clearly more gentle God in the New Testament.
What is sadly but abundantly clear is that racism still exists in this country today, as does sexism and other unfortunate trends. The harsher evaluation by Reverend Wright seems to deny any progress and paints all white men and women with the same broad brush whether it fits or not. I believe this type of approach is ineffective and is more likely to help those who wish to maintain the status guo.
I don't believe, in the final judgment, that God will evaluate me on what my ancestors did 300 or 400 years ago. If that were the case, we're really in trouble. There are numerous Christian faiths, most of which, shear a common thread. The music and tempo of the sermon not as important to me as the message. If I hear the blues, jazz or harps and organs, I can enjoy the music while I listen for the message.

The Interview with Reverend Wright was very informative. Having only heard the sound bites, some are indeed taken out of context and hearing some of them in the context of the sermon clarifies the issue. There are some that were not discussed during the interview clearly where there was not enough time. In the final portion of the interview Reverend Wright discussed some variance with the text of the bible (I believe approval of concubines) and the need for interpretation. It would seem reasonable to apply some of the same logic to a recitation of "an eye for an eye',a vengeful Lord's words in an Old Testament framework compared to the clearly more gentle God in the New Testament.
What is sadly but abundantly clear is that racism still exists in this country today, as does sexism and other unfortunate trends. The harsher evaluation by Reverend Wright seems to deny any progress and paints all white men and women with the same broad brush whether it fits or not. I believe this type of approach is ineffective and is more likely to help those who wish to maintain the status guo.
I don't believe, in the final judgment, that God will evaluate me on what my ancestors did 300 or 400 years ago. If that were the case, we're really in trouble. There are numerous Christian faiths, most of which, shear a common thread. The music and tempo of the sermon not as important to me as the message. If I hear the blues, jazz or harps and organs, I can enjoy the music while I listen for the message.

Dear Mr. Moyers,

Even after your OUTSTANDING interview with Reverend Wright, the mainstream media is still not reporting the truth. Here is what I wrote to them and have sent out a message to others to demand the truth! Please keep up the honest and truthful journalism you do.

Unfair Journalism -

As a person that watches your station everyday, I am extremely disappointed that on Thursday evening, your broadcast showed clips of the interview with Reverend Wright on the Bill Moyers show CREATING a news story to REIGNITE the controversy surrounding this story. I watched the interview on PBS and what I saw was a very different picture of Reverend Wright AS WELL as the whole sermon and not just sound bites played by your station and many others. But as I watched your station and others over the weekend and now today, Monday, your station is still playing to the drama and to the controversy. Where are the sound bites of what Reverend Wright said after the GD America comments? Why isn't your station playing other parts of the interview? I think this does a real disservice to the American people by not showing what's really going on. Is this the media trying to save face? I believe so. Because if you do show what he really said, I believe your station and others have a lot of explaining to do to the nation. Do the right thing MSNBC, be above the fray and above the other networks, and show the OTHER sound bites of the Reverend Wright. MSNBC has increasingly become a more watched network because of some of your outstanding journalism. However, with this story, this has not been the case. I applaud Bill Moyer for his honest and truthful journalistic portrayal of this story and of Reverend Wright. MSNBC, PLEASE DO THE RIGHT THING!!!!!

Cindy Rivera
Milpitas, CA

Every now and again an individual is thrusted before us in the grandeur of what is the national spotlight, much like a sacrificial virgin ceremony from past earlier cultures. Often, the incident goes unchallenged by the public at large, or by the community that is the media. But, every now and again the media pauses for a brief moment to take a breath and in that moment of breath, the emergence of fairness creeps into media where the truth is exposed, and the sacrificial virgin is heard.

Such was the case with this weeks episode of Bill Moyers' The Journal where he interviews Mr. Wright. After listening to the sermons in their entirety, it became obvious that mainstream corporate media has villified a man who was using religious scripture as the platform for understanding the acts of evil men, and coping with the pain America felt after 9/11.

America has had historical moments when an individual has made us gaze into a mirror and see past the reflection to a place that lies between our conscience and our souls, and challenges us to reevaluate what makes up our moral values. Often, moments like these will open up national scares that we conveniently, but superficially bury for the purpose of diminishing the pain that comes from acknowledging them.

Reverend Wright was that instrument in this interview. Much of what he said is not new. The Washington Post, New York Times, and other influential media also condemned Martin Luther King when his Riverside Church speech delivered words that described America as being the worlds biggest purveyor of violence as he spoke of his opposition to our presence in Vietnam. A true and accurate observation of who we are as Americans includes some history that we may not be proud of, but that is no less a critical part of our identity.

As long as the history books that are used in our schools are filled with inaccuracies, we will always need voices like that of Reverend Wright's to bring a sobering reflection to a values system that often neglects the truth.

The interview with Dr. Wright, including significant portions of the two sermons whose soundbites caused such a furor, point out the toxic potential of artful editing. I am not predisposed to favor the utterances arising from any organized religion, but I found both the bits of video used to raise the race issue in the presidential campaign to be pertinent and true in the larger context of the two sermons.

I was also impressed that what Dr. Wright had to say during the interview flowed with flawless logic from the combination of his faith and his sociological observations. Like Barak Obama himself, Dr. Wright thinks in complete and coherent paragraphs, in both the pulpit and in explaining his worldview to the unconverted.

Many thanks to Bill Moyers and his staff for this.

I find Rev.Wright to be a very pround man with the true word of God in his mouth.The truth is hard to digest and because he do not bow down to race or the establishment he is an outcast...You can say the same for Jesus..Man can not sever man and God...Render unto Ceasar what is Caesar and render unto God what is God.. Anglo Saxons have an that they must always be right and they can be if it is Line upon Line precept upon precept of the Holy Bible. Rev.Wright told you the truth and you want to find every way to discredit him. I feel so sorry for the ignorance of America, you teach the english langauge and dont articulate it yourself.. What is it that the man said you dont understand.. I admire you Rev.Wright and thank you for not letting those ignorant people make you compromise the word of God and Black Culture... One thing we must understand as a people God come before Barrack Obama,Hillary Clinton, and the other republican candidate.. THATS A FACT....

I find Rev.Wright to be a very pround man with the true word of God in his mouth.The truth is hard to digest and because he do not bow down to race or the establishment he is an outcast...You can say the same for Jesus..Man can not sever man and God...Render unto Ceasar what is Caesar and render unto God what is God.. Anglo Saxons have an that they must always be right and they can be if it is Line upon Line precept upon precept of the Holy Bible. Rev.Wright told you the truth and you want to find every way to discredit him. I feel so sorry for the ignorance of America, you teach the english langauge and dont articulate it yourself.. What is it that the man said you dont understand.. I admire you Rev.Wright and thank you for not letting those ignorant people make you compromise the word of God and Black Culture... One thing we must understand as a people God come before Barrack Obama,Hillary Clinton, and the other republican candidate.. THATS A FACT....

This interview coupled with the verdict in the Sean Bell case here in NYC are poignant. They echo other in that America does not provide justice for all. The words of Rev Wright about "violence begetting violence" are as true today as they were when he spoke them. America is blindly in love with itself and not willing to see its flaws. Americans of color, while loving the country, can see what others don't want to
see that it is not good enough to be the greatest nation in the world by default. We can do better than this, but we must be willing to see our faults and also willing to work to fix them.

I have listened to Mr. Moyers' conversation with Rev. Wright and read the transcript. Moyers was overly solicitous. The discussion left me with only one conclusion: Rev. Wright is nothing more than a bitter and angry black man.

Wright used his pulpit to vent his personal anger over the special brand of racism historically visited by U.S. society on its black citizens. His bitterness and anger is personal, not founded on theology. Much of his commentary during the discussion was extraneous, and his attempt to conflate "d-e-m-n" and "d-a-m-n" was laughable. There is no question that the context of his choice of "God damn America" was the conventional use of taking the Lord's name in vain.

Wright's use of "chickens coming home to roost" when referencing the attacks of 9/11 is no different from Malcom X's use of the same phrase in referencing the assassination of John F. Kennedy. It is an echo of thoughts expressed by another bitter and angry black person, Alice Walker (The Color Purple). In an early 2003 interview on NPR's The Diane Rehm Show, Walker remarked that when she saw the planes go into the twin towers, she "felt for the hijackers." When asked to explain, she replied that she understood the frustrations and deprivations that drove the hijackers to the deed. She then expanded on why she thought America is a bad country.

Sadly, people like Wright and Walker will remain bitter and angry until they die.

For the record, I support Barack Obama, and accept that he thinks independently, and that Wright's views on "God damn America" are not his.

Everytime I poot, er post, the Big Man promis to give me a quarter. Now I got enuff for a cartoon of Camels.
I'm gonna expose myself to Sen. Obama and see how the Secret Service like that. Then I gonna expose myself to Hillary, and see how the Secret Service like that. I'mm
bigger than Dick Chainee! One more Crissy and one more Stacy, then I go to bed with Rush Limbic-level.
Jacky expose-my real-closeted-nameself Howeird and all us prostibloggers down at the happy birthday hitler hall
American gonna get the President she deserve!!!!!!!

Thank you Bill Moyers for the insightful interview with Rev Jeremiah Wright. His comments all make so much sense. Yes if we are American we must hold ourselves accountable for the violence done in our name starting with Native Americans up to today in Iraq and Abu Ghraib. I was glad to get a more whole picture of Wright's theology and refer folks to read James Cone's Theology of the Oppressed. We should be angry about the violence of the isms but we need to have justice and love together to work for change. We don't need cozy Christianity-- We need Christianity with sharp edges that calls us to reform and change and grow.
Thank you Rev Wright and thank you Bill Moyers & PBS.

As an ex-Southerner whose ancestors came to America in the 19th century and who is neither black nor white, who pulled oneself up by the bootstraps and made it through highly racist settings in the South, North, and ex-US to gain multiple graduate degrees at Ivy League institutions and abroad (I grew up in a gun-fire racked ghetto and earned scholarships, worked full time, and took out tons of loans - all paid back in full), and to this day faces overt and explicit racism in the executive world, I find it rather interesting and extremely sad to hear these comments from all sides and know that 200+ years later, our founding fathers dream is still just that: a dream. Whether I or anyone else agree with Obama and Wright's poilitical and personal views are irrelevant for us as a SOCIETY. What is important for us as a society was Obama's speech on race. To condemn Obama just because Wright's words were INTENTIONALLY taken out of context is just as ignorant as taking Wright's words in themselves. As Barack noted, he cannot dissociate himself from the "bad" of any individual any more than the "good". I totally relate to his mother analogy as my Godparents were white racists and my parents distrusted both white and blacks (for understandable reasons). Yet, they took care of me and guided me in trying to teach me right from wrong (thou shalt not kill, steal, etc) and put aside their own personal biases (they did not finish elementary school and personally disliked MLK as his marches led to severe negative consequences in their own personal lives) to encourage me to live in MLK's philosophy of judging an individual by the content of their character and not the color of their skin. Some of my best friends growing up were black racists as they were the only ones who would play with me as the white kids did not play with non-white, protestants. I did not understand why whites called blacks derogatory names and vice-versa. What I did understand was that white AND blacks called me derogatory slurs that hurt. Do I hold that against them today? NO. It has made me a stronger person and made me understand the human nature of racism. All humans are racist to some degree, regardless of ethnic origin. It is how we act to counter those basic instincts (not like me - danger, survival) is what distinguishes us from animals. It is NOT right by any means. But to perpetuate the situation and exploit it for personal agendas and gain as Linda Daves (GOP President in North Carolina) does, the media does (Charles Gibson - BTW, I used to be a fan of yours Charlie but no longer. Your job as press is to be impartial and enlightening - not to sell ad dollars. But you and Clinton cronie George blew it big time!), and countless other partisan individuals and organizations do is totally irresponsible and a slap in the faces of our founding fathers and their legacy. Until we as a society understand and accept that people cannot be perfect but that we as a society can pursue a "perfect" ideal (i.e., the founding fathers') and act accordingly by putting aside personal agendas in the interest of the common good, we will continue to be a hypocritical and unfulfilled fractured society like the Middle East. We cannot undo the failures and injustices of prior generations. What we can do is park the biases and seek to work together positively. I applaud you Bill Moyers as a labeled liberal (I am an INDEPENDENT) for trying to bring some balance and fairness in these troubled times. Unfortunately, for every one of you, there are ten left and right wing zealots and bigots (see Beck and wackadoodle posts) out there like Farrakahn, Daves and Limbaugh and their legions who seem to think that selfish intolerance is the best route. I challenge all of you who read this, right or left leaning, to think about not the easily picked on soundbites of all involved but on the substance of what Obama and the founding fathers vision is. This is not about me or you but succeeding generations. We can continue down the road to a Middle East in this country or quit the partisanship, selfishness, rascism, and bigotry and try to fulfill our founding fathers dream. A good first step is recognizing the truth and accepting it and not the misinformation being fed by partisan politics and media. That requires active participation by each of us to seek and understand. Go beyond CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, etc. Listen to and read the BBC, SVT, LeMonde, UniVision and the rest of the world press to gain perspective and understand before taking a position. Investigate, question, and think, don't just accept a single bias. If after having done that, one still believes the US is without blame for 9/11 and we are a "perfect" society, then please buy my Brooklin Bridge. In closing, while my family and I lost loved ones on 9/11 and in every major conflict of the 20th century, yes, I do believe that the US carries just as much responsiblity as the terrorists do for 9/11 because of its hegemonic policies, especially of the past two decades. We cannot as a country decide what is best for the world, especially when our leadership is ignorant and misinformed (e.g., Gas is $3.50/gallon??). To do so unilateraly will invite retribution, which is what 9/11 mostly was. My heart goes out to all who suffered from 9/11, Afghanistan, and the unwise Iraqi conflict like us but that is the price we pay for selecting leadership that is irresponsible and uninformed. It is the innocent who usually pay, not the decision makers. So we can stand up and try to make a difference in November or continue the partisan road where it will definitely seem that God is damning America.

My good sister Beck,
Where was the righteous indignation of the church when Africans and African Americans were being held as slaves? Where was that righteous indignation when those that built many of the "historic churches" were relegated to the balconies while their masters worshipped below? Where was the righteous indignation over the fact that people of color were treated as cattle? That same indignation should have been apparent when whites chose to close schools rather than to integrate them. So white congregations and pastors have historically been complicit in segregationist religion. The need for a black church arose out of a belief that loves black folks too. Many whites seem to want us to forget about all of that and offer forgiveness without repentance. That behavior is why the white church has more work to do before looking at the speck in our eyes.

As I write this I am listening to Rev. Wright at the National Press Club (c-span, replay). I hope that Wright will remain a significant public figure and a spokesperson for justice and reconciliation in this country. In the long run he may prove to be a much more significant and constructive figure than Sen. Barack Obama.
His line of thinking is a line of survival for the United States, which if we ignore it, we do at our imminent peril. Prophesy remains possible, as Wright demonstrates.

What an inspiring interview! I found the Reverend to be utterly charming and extremely intelligent.
We must remember that all history is biased, including Biblical history. The media continues to perpetuate this bias every day.
We all need to stand up against those who intentionally twist words for their own purposes. Anybody can choose to disagree, but they have to take the entirety of the statement in its intended context, or they are cowards. It's that simple.

Excellent point Marilyn...
After watching the news clips of Wright from this past Sunday, April 27th, he seems more fired up now than he was before. His comments are more ignorant, separatist, and racist than ever.
I can honestly say the BIGGEST mistake America has ever made, actually it was made before America was the America we know today, was importing African slaves from Africa sold by their own African leaders. America has fought the bloodiest war in its history because of it and America has been paying for this ever since. Funny, I don't see Africans running back to Africa yet we endure with people like Wright.

I'd like to respond to Marilyn Beck's question. I do not think Rev. Wright's efforts can be characterized as separatist anymore than Oprah or the Lifetime network can called separatist. Different people have different experiences. When black youths on the south side of Chicago see far more media representation of young black men as thugs and hustlers than they do as successful professionals, that is an experience that black professionals and black mentors are best posed to address. Of course these youths could also benefit from the encouragement of whites, Latinos, asians, and whoever else wants to give it. But isn't there something particularly meaningful about getting encouragement from someone who looks like you...who can identify with you...who shares identity with you?

An argument is commonly made that it is as wrong for 'Ebony' magazine to exist as it would be for 'Ivory' magazine to exist. But that argument ignores the fact the Time, Newsweek, the New Yorker, and most mainstream publications cover the lives of mostly white people. Yes, people of color are included, but non-blacks are also included in the coverage of 'Ebony' magazine. You seem to be making that general argument: if a white pastor would be vilified for talking speciifcally about the problems that whites face, then why isn't Jeremiah Wright vilified for talking about the problems blacks face? White people in this country were never singled out for mistreatment based on the color of their skin. That's the difference.

It has only been 40 years since it became illegal in this country to discriminate on the basis of race. Efforts are surely being made to move on, but patience is required. And appreciated.

Furthermore, Wright makes it clear that he believes God loves and is for all people, and that Trinity church has members of many, many ethnicities, including white members.

If any other pastor in America made such segregationist comments from the pulpit, he or she would be vilified by the Christian community. Why is there a need for a separatist BLACK church, why does it have to be about being BLACK and not about Christian love? Shouldn't the message be Christian love for ALL races, all colors, all peoples? My God, my Christ didn't segregate people into categories. My Savior loves all. Rev Wright seems to want to emphasize the black church, the black revolution, the black history and struggles. I understand the need to do so, to understand the past, to honor one's culture and history, but isn't it time within the church to move forward with unity and love for all?

I was so glad to hear Rev. Wright reference Harriet Washington's book MEDICAL APARTHEID during the question and answer period this morning (in response to a query regarding his controversial comment regarding AIDS). Good!
Now maybe folks will go out and read Washington's book and understand the context of Wright's statement?

American whites (I would suspect white people worldwide) are in such denial when it comes to racism that it is profoundly sad. In reading some of these posts one can see just how far we in America have come yet one can also see how far we have to go in realizing the effects that racism has had, and continues to have on this country. I guess I would feel bad too and not want other races to constantly bring up the FACT that my race (whites) has had their hand in some of the most HORRENDOUS ACTS committed against every ethnic group on the face of the earth. That American whites stole the very land we live on from the Indians, bought and sold human beings (African-Americans), murdered 6 million Jews, and thought nothing of the impact these acts have had on the generations of these races. Interred Japanese Americans, knew the Holocaust was happening and did nothing about it, and the LATEST, invades Iraq and make that country a MESS, because white men knows whats best for EVERYBODY. I won't even begin to address the evil doings of the (white) British, Germany etc... America continues to operate racist practices in areas such as jobs, housing etc...and yet cannot stomach it when as the good Reverand stated, your own chickens come home to roost. A race of people who has done so much evil against other races, in the name of GOD in most instances, I truly feel sorry for those of you who belong to that race who continue to bury your heads in the sand, turn a blind eye, put your hands over your ears whenever your need for almighty power and greed, is brought to your attention. Do you all honesty think that the evil acts your ancestors committed against other races is not felt by the later generations of these groups? How self-serving! How easy it is for some of you all to make utterly ridiculous statements such as "I didn't own any slaves" or "That happened before I was borned" while you reap all the benefits. Rev. Wright didn't speak any lies. You people just have problems accepting the truths of your ancestors doings, and of course you want to continue to reap all of the benefits from the sodid seeds they sowed, so you continue your Imperialistic ways. I am 42 years young, A very proud African-American woman in love with one of the most loving (white) man I have ever encounterd. I am not a racist I have two bi-racial children and I continue to believe that America is a great country. Yet I am not foolish enough to believe that racism will ever go away, it holds too much power for whites, and we ALL KNOW how addictive that particular drug is. Get educated white people, then the truth wouldn't cause you so much GUILT.

Thank God for Jeremiah Wright. He's the gift that keeps on giving. If he continues to flap his lips like this, America may dodge the Obama bullet after all.

Having watched Bill Moyers' interview with Rev Jeremiah Wright on PBS and CNN's broadcasts of both the Reverend's comments before the NAACP convention and the National Press Club, I feel that the great disservice done to both the American public and to Rev. Wright has finally been somewhat mitigated

Prior to these broadcasts, all the major news outlets did was mindlessly repeat the sensational, out-of-context video clips that the lunatic right wing wanted drummed into the electorate's consciousness.

Now, fortunately, any reasonable person can clearly see that this man is not an incendiary, America-hating mau-mau, but, in fact, a brilliant, highly educated, charming, funny, soulful, articulate, sensitive, impassioned advocate of civil rights and brotherly love.

Thanks to your program for attempting to set the record straight.

Henry Lebo
North Vancouver, BC Canada


These days, what passes for news and public discourse is actually entertainment and should be dismissed as such. The lazy sound bites, the attack journalism is not to be trusted regardless of whether or not it matches your political bent, right or left. (HuffPo is as bad as FoxNews) Our lack of respect for the political process is shameful. What I hope others will notice about this interview is Moyers' willingness to listen. Many will say, and perhaps rightfully, that he should have asked tougher questions. Leave that for the next interviewer. I would consider it progress to see left, center and right leaning journalists take the same care with their subject, a calm rational approach to exploring the issues rather than the overheated, frothing at the mouth we see day in and day out and which does all of us a disservice. We should be directing other news media to Moyers' example, encourage media to by all means promote their values (I don't believe media can be unbiased) but to have standards in doing so. It is beginning to happen but I think many Americans are realizing that much as we are dissatisfied with our leaders we are also disgusted with the media and see them as a large part of the problem.

These days, what passes for news and public discourse is actually entertainment and should be dismissed as such. The lazy sound bites, the attack journalism is not to be trusted regardless of whether or not it matches your political bent, right or left. (HuffPo is as bad as FoxNews) Our lack of respect for the political process is shameful. What I hope others will notice about this interview is Moyers' willingness to listen. Many will say, and perhaps rightfully, that he should have asked tougher questions. Leave that for the next interviewer. I would consider it progress to see left, center and right leaning journalists take the same care with their subject, a calm rational approach to exploring the issues rather than the overheated, frothing at the mouth we see day in and day out and which does all of us a disservice. We should be directing other news media to Moyers' example, encourage media to by all means promote their values (I don't believe media can be unbiased) but to have standards in doing so. It is beginning to happen but I think many Americans are realizing that much as we are dissatisfied with our leaders we are also disgusted with the media and see them as a large part of the problem.

My husband and I loved Bill Moyers' interview with The Rev.Jeremiah Wright. In his speech to his congregation he talked about all the injustices that many nations have done around the world including our country with the Native Americans,Japanese Americans, and African Americans.
The Rev. Jeremiah Wright is so right that I had to write! Thank you as always for your insightful and thought provoking programs!

My husband and I loved this program! The Rev. Wright is so right that I had to write! After listening to his interview with Bill Moyers,we love Obama even more! Thank you for airing such thoughtful and insightful information as always!

Rev. Wright and his cult represent the reason(s) I left the demoncrapic party. As a person of color, I have seen my people bought and paid for and turned into a monolithic voting block of welfare slaves. It's all whiteys fault. When the sun don't shine, whiteys fault. When jobs dry up, whiteys fault. Black men irresponsible for their children, whiteys fault. Inner city youth growing up in an unsupervised environment, whiteys fault. My great, great, great, great, grandfather was a freed slave and the first thing he did was move north with wife and kids in tow. He is the patriarch of our family to this day. We have Doctors, lawyers and college professors in our family these days, and it didn't happen by blaming whitey and expecting to be supported for life by whiteys government.

Rev. Wright screams from the pulpit that we as a black community have a right to expect white tax payers to pay for the sins of their fore fathers. If that is so, then I suppose we in the black community should go after the rich Arabs that made fortunes by selling our ancestors. In fact we might even go to the Hague and petition rich black Africans whose fortunes are tied to their families kidnapping and selling our own people to the Portuguese.

I used to think that the white powers in Hollywood were to blame for the coarsening our culture, but one only has to watch BET or listen to filthy RAP music to realize we're doing a fine job of destroying our childrens motivation to succeed by hard work and putting a little bit each week into a savings account.

Rev. Wright has an audience that believes they're "entitled" to other peoples hard earned money. Been there, done it, heard it, seen it, don't believe it. Until that man starts taking responsibility for his wrong headed teaching, nothing is going to change. Just look at the black on black killings going on in his own back yard. He doesn't speak for this black man.

I just heard Rev. Wright's speech at the National Press Club on C-SPAN. It was very powerful, very uplifting, and very INCLUSIVE of ALL men and women.

Bless you, Rev. Wright - fight the good fight!

Thanks Bill Moyer for a very interesting interview of a very misunderstood person. It's because of the Reverend Wright snippets that I've stopped watching cable news...the Scarboroughs, Chris Matthews, Hannitys & O'Reillys are not smart enough to do their own analysis. Instead, they speak to the miseducated and misinformed who are to lazy and prefer to be given the news rather than getting it themselves. I find it extremely important that people understand that the Word of God to the black community was used as a means to overcome a struggle to achieve equality. Frederick Douglass once said that I like the religion of Jesus Christ, but dislike the religion of America...because America used its religion to enslave, rape, and mutilate those of African ancestry. Reverent Jeremiah Wright is not a wacko for not agreeing with America's foreign policy...Ron Paul expresses the same sentiment, not as abrasive in his tone, but they are speaking to different audiences.

I may not agree with Rev. wright, but i believe he has a right to freedom of speech just as the news and politicians do. should he be different because he is African-American? I have conversed with Caucasians who say they are not racist, and they were not around when there was slavery in America, but they benefit from racism beause of their color. Some people seem to think that African Americans should forever stay un the background and be good little African Amerians and let others dictate to us. We can speak just like other nationalities. African Americans are not a race of people, becaur in a race everybody starts out at the same time. We did not start out at the tarting line that other races started out at. We were supposed to be an indentured people but when our anceters wer brought over here Europeans saw a people who could not peak english and they used that to their advantage and got rich off the back of what we know now as slaves. Ye I think Rev. Wright hould say whatrver he believes and has the right t speak just like all other Americans. I am glad someone is speaking out. I hope he keeps it up and othere will join him.

Just as children learn what they live, so too do adults. Stop thinking "racism" and watch what happens ...

Anyone who thinks that Wright's comments regarding AIDS are paranoid and unfounded, needs to pick up a copy of Harriet Washington's MEDICAL APARTHEID:The Dark History of Medical Experimentation on Black Americans from Colonial Times to the Present.
Here are some reviews of the book:
Kirkus(* Starred review)
Ethicist and journalist Washington details the abusive medical practices to which
African-Americans have been subjected.She begins her shocking history in the colonial period, when owners would hire out or sell slaves to physicians for use as guinea pigs in medical experiments. Into the 19th century, black cadavers were routinely exploited for profit by whites who shipped them to medical schools for dissection and to museums and traveling shows for casual public display. The most notorious case here may be the Tuskegee Syphilis Study, in which about 600 syphilitic men were left untreated by the U.S. Public Health Service so it could study the progression of the disease, but Washington asserts that it was the forerunner to a host of similar medical abuses. Among her numerous examples is the radical brain surgery performed by a University of Mississippi neurosurgeon on African-American boys as young as six who were deemed aggressive or hyperactive, a procedure he recommended for urban rioters
after Watts. And the abuses are not all buried in the distant past: During a 1992-1997 study of the biological basis of violent behavior conducted by the New York State Psychiatric Institute and Columbia University’s Loewenstein Center, researchers intimidated parents of black juvenile offenders into permitting them to administer the dangerous drug fenfluramine to the offenders’ younger brothers.
African-Americans’ reproductive rights have been trampled on; soldiers, prisoners and children have been coerced into becoming subjects of experiments without therapeutic value to themselves; the federal government and private companies have utilized unwitting blacks in largescale experiments with radiation and biological weapons, she asserts. While the worst abuses have
been eliminated, Washington concludes, African-American skepticism about the medical establishment and reluctance to participate in medical research is an unfortunate result. One of her goals in writing this book, aside from documenting a shameful past, is to convince them that they must participate actively in therapeutic medical research, especially in areas that most affect their community’s health, while remaining ever alert to possible abuses.
Sweeping and powerful.

I find it fascinating that Rev Wright's comments have been on the news constantly, yet Rev Haggee (Senator McCain's supporter) has made horrific comments about Hurricane Katrina being a punishment from God and said the Catholic Church is "the Whore Of Babylon", yet it's barely make made a ripple in the news.

I find it fascinating that Rev Wright's comments have been on the news constantly, yet Rev Haggee's (Senator McCain's supporter) horrific comments about Katrina barely make make a ripple.

I find it fascinating that Rev Wright's comments have been on the news constantly, yet Rev Haggee's (Senator McCain's supporter) horrific comments about Katrina barely make make a ripple.

Lady, Reverend Wrights' comments on Aids are not unfounded your lack of knowledge as to this truth is sad, Look up this information about aids and its origins check Dr. Boyd Graves and the research he has provided that proves this allegation. Even after hearing Reverend Wright you still want to hold onto your bias.

Same on you.

Lady, Reverend Wrights' comments on Aids are not unfounded your lack of knowledge as to this truth is sad, Look up this information about aids and its origins check Dr. Boyd Graves and the research he has provided that proves this allegation. Even after hearing Reverend Wright you still want to hold onto your bias.

Same on you.

At best, Wright is a stranger to the truth. Just as it is troubling that conservatism has become a Satanic cult bent on practicing ritual human sacrifice and dismemberment in Iraq for the next 100 years, so too is it disturbing that a cult on the left thinks they can curse America and lie about it or that we are to supposed to admire them for the way they curse us. Well in that case, dm U too! And in the words of FUtus, the sitting VP, fu as well.

No matter what interpretation follows the statements, those statements were made from a pulpit with the full force of the clergy and all it stands for. It's one thing to state exaggerations in small groups, it's entirely another to state them to those who wish to believe and follow. It is violent language no matter what 'media' person or web site or utube repeats it. Why would a minister bluster and fume on "America"? THIS IS PURE POLITICS. I thought church was a house of God and a place for understanding and compassion. It's way over the top and no matter how you try to spin it, it remains as much as Rodney King's "Why can't we just get along?" YOU HAVE TO LIVE BY WHAT YOU SAY AND WHAT YOU MEAN. PERIOD.

Thank you for the interview, Mr. Moyers. As always, it takes a deeper look into the news to determine the real story. Although I always suspected that Rev. Wright was not a lunatic, this interview clears him of all charges.

@ Jack Howard:

There is nothing for me to prove (re: "definite conclusion of a motive"). History has proven that the motive is racism - a firmly held belief that blacks are inferior, despite the fact that there is no BIOLOGICAL differences among the races. Do us a favor and pick up a book - preferably one written by someone who doesn't look like you, so you'll be able to derive a different perspective of things and not just confirm your existing ignorance.

Just finished listening to the interview via podcast. Thank you! Bravo! This program has motivated me to make another donation to PBS. I do hope the truth penetrates into other media and that Americans are finally beginning to realize that those selling divisive sensationalism make it harder for us to join together to find common ground and common sense solutions to the problems we face. I'm a white 58 yr old female in Colorado and join in the post below:
I'm white and Wright is right.

Just finished listening to the interview via podcast. Thank you! Bravo! This program has motivated me to make another donation to PBS. I do hope the truth penetrates into other media and that Americans are finally beginning to realize that those selling divisive sensationalism make it harder for us to join together to find common ground and common sense solutions to the problems we face. I'm a white 58 yr old female in Colorado and join in the post below:
I'm white and Wright is right.

REV. WRIGHT.. THANK GOD FOR YOU... "PRAISE GOD FOR WHOM ALL BLESSINGS FLOWS", PLEASE KEEP THIS COUNTRY IN YOUR PRAYERS!!!!!!

Wright Moves On Up:
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=291855469309054&kw=Wright

Barack Obama Exposed: http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/docs/ObamaExposed.pdf

...Because 90% of the Black community support Barack Abama just because he is Black, the remaining 10%, or thereof choose to support a candidate based upon merit, and not based upon his or her race!

.....and there are many Black people, and/or others, who do not support Barack Obama!

Thank you so much for doing this interview. I found Rev. Wright to be both thoughtful and well-prepared to stand by his previous assertions. I detected hints of pro-life and anti-gay (what did he mean by "sodomy"?) bias, but beyond that he seemed remarkably inclusive in his attitudes and his judgments: in his "God @@#$ America" speech he speaks of America as "we", not "they." Any time hate speeches given by white preachers are reported in the press, the language is always exclusive. It seemed obvious to me that Rev. Wright feels very much a part of this country and has a vested interest in working for its future. The fact that one of his ex-parish members is now waging a strong bid for the presidency of this country (to me) says volumes more about the patriotism and values he holds than any two minute sound-bite or newspaper op-ed piece ever could.

Thank you so much for doing this interview. I found Rev. Wright to be both thoughtful and well-prepared to stand by his previous assertions. I detected hints of pro-life and anti-gay (what did he mean by "sodomy"?) bias, but beyond that he seemed remarkably inclusive in his attitudes and his judgments: in his "God @@#$ America" speech he speaks of America as "we", not "they." Any time hate speeches given by white preachers are reported in the press, the language is always exclusive. It seemed obvious to me that Rev. Wright feels very much a part of this country and has a vested interest in working for its future. The fact that one of his ex-parish members is now waging a strong bid for the presidency of this country (to me) says volumes more about the patriotism and values he holds than any two minute sound-bite or newspaper op-ed piece ever could.

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....and far too many preachers control the electoral process in the Black community.

It would be a good thing to exclude preachers entirely, to think for yourself, to support the candidate who speaks for you, who stands to truly represent you.....

Maybe this is God's plan for this whole situation. Whether Obama wins or not, America has been challenged to really heal our racial issues. I see real HOPE! A real deep conversation has begun. Praise God from whom all blessings flow. God has heard the cries of the people. We are OK, just like we are. I'm OK and you're OK. We can learn to love one another, while appreciating our differences. Different, not deficient... Rev Wright doesn't hate white people, he is explaining to a diverse audience why black children hate themselves before they are six years old. He is explaining that if we view each other both white and black as different, but not deficient we can understand and appreciate each other. I love you, but first, I had to learn to love myself. I hope this makes sense. God bless America. Do not be afraid, but you are watching a miracle unfold, a prayer being answered, by which all of us (all of America) will be blessed if we get through the pain. God bless America!

I totally agree Observer.

How anyone can come out two days after the innocent killings of 9/11 and say those people deserved to die for any reason whatsoever; have to be over run by hate and total evilness.

Likewise, any person who could embrace this person is quite questionable as well.

Obama should be impeached from the senate and never be aloud to run for any kind of office.

The fact that he will be the nominee for the democratic party speaks volumes about the party itself as well as the mindset of today's Americans.

Innocent people died and the democratic nominee secretly believes those people deserved to die.
Frightening.

1947 Jackie Robinson broke baseball's color barrier - Change! 1948 The Armed Services integrated - Change!
From the Revolutionary War to the Wars in the Middle East, African Americans have fought and died for America. We owe it to the men & women who put their lives on the line for our freedoms to end this climate of Racism! I believe the problem is MSM and the lack of spiritual tolerance and compassion. For those few who harbor racial animosity toward, when it comes to Rev. Wrights interpretation of scripture and his weaving it into social commentary - "Confusing God and Government" is he Wrong?
Whether you like the way he preaches, are the scriptures interpretations -Wrong? Yet first and foremost, there's a reason we don't mix Religion and Politics. Thank you PBS

Maybe this is God's plan for this whole situation. Whether Obama wins or not, America has been challenged to really heal our racial issues. I see real HOPE! A real deep conversation has begun. Praise God from whom all blessings flow. God has heard the cries of the people. We are OK, just like we are. I'm OK and you're OK. We can learn to love one another, while appreciating our differences. Different, not deficient... Rev Wright doesn't hate white people, he is explaining to a diverse audience why black children hate themselves before they are six years old. He is explaining that if we view each other both white and black as different, but not deficient we can understand and appreciate each other. I love you, but first, I had to learn to love myself. I hope this makes sense. God bless America. Do not be afraid, but you are watching a miracle unfold, a prayer being answered, by which all of us (all of America) will be blessed if we get through the pain. God bless America!

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Mr Moyer, my only regret is that you do not have a regularly news show. I have sat in total amazement over the last few weeks at how every one of the major news stations (FOX, MSNBC, CNN, ABC, NBC) exploited the "God-Damn America" soundbite for the sole purpose of destroying Senator OBama, as well as Rev Wright. For all of these "News" stations (I use that term lightly) to have decided to tell this same lie, and yet claim that they are handling the news in a fair and balanced manner is inexcusible. But because of your interview God caught them with their draws down on this one. The Media, Hillary and John McCain continue to make a point that Barack OBama has no experience, is not vetted, is not ready for the job of Commander in Chief. Why then is it necessary for them to use these kinds of rabid , vicious attacks. Especially since not one of the candidates has Executive Office experience, unless one wants to count Hillary's Bosnia sniper fire episode. And as sad as it may seem there are some people out there who are still probably counting it.

What is doubly revealing is that the media crucified Rev Wright for saying that this country is controlled by "rich white people". Yet it probably a good guess that all those stations are owned by "rich white people" And yet they had their station pundits paint Rev Wright and Barack Obama as racists. We still have a long ways to go in this country before we can stand honorably in Iraj or any other country and claim that we want to help them achieve a wonderful democracy such as ours. They see through us. That's why we need to spend more time cleaning our own house.

Bjay

Does anyone have the Fox News Wright interview?

Jeremiah Wright is downright evil.
The man is just evil to the core.
All he preaches is hate and black supremacy while faking his love for Jesus.
Anyone who follows his words is either evil themselves or stupid.
The constant people thanking moyers for ths infomercial are either J. Wright himself or a cult follower. Speaks volumes for Obama and his wife. islam is evil as well and look at Obama two dad's and where he went to school. Throw in the fact that Obama's Mama was an atheist and it keeps getting scarier by the minute.

To the black and white persons, and to all persons who have been victims of racists, I am very sorry.


Thank you Mr. Moyers for conducting your interview with Reverend Wright. It's nice to get beyond the sound bite. And thank you Reverend Wright for doing the interview.

All I can say is whenever Rev.Wright talks I have to turn down the TV. I watched part of the NAACP
speech and I had to turn the volume down a lot because he can't seem to give a speech without screaming and the man before him really screamed. I think all the screaming is bad for his vocal cords and bad for his blood pressure. I was surprised to see how much the Rev.Wright has aged since 1987 ,I think its all the screaming ,its adding years to his face.
I could never go to that church,I would need ear plugs and I would need to take a traqualizer to calm my nerves. All that screaming is unsettling. He thinks screaming is normal . I think he needs anger managment therapy. His attitude says "shut up and listen" .He is used to bullying his church followers. I don't buy it. I was raised to be polite and not yell. He makes fun of polite white people. His speech was very objective,it makes sense to him and I'm sure he would get angry and yell at anyone who disagrees with him. Maybe thats why Bill Moyers tip toed around him and walked on eggs so he wouldn't get him upset.

All I can say is whenever Rev.Wright talks I have to turn down the TV. I watched part of the NAACP
speech and I had to turn the volume down a lot because he can't seem to give a speech without screaming and the man before him really screamed. I think all the screaming is bad for his vocal cords and bad for his blood pressure. I was surprised to see how much the Rev.Wright has aged since 1987 ,I think its all the screaming ,its adding years to his face.

All I can say is whenever Rev.Wright talks I have to turn down the TV. I watched part of the NAACP
speech and I had to turn the volume down a lot because he can't seem to give a speech without screaming and the man before him really screamed. I think all the screaming is bad for his vocal cords and bad for his blood pressure. I was surprised to see how much the Rev.Wright has aged since 1987 ,I think its all the screaming ,its adding years to his face.

Please be informed that the Reverend Wright does not represent the Judea Christian views, Mr. Bill Moyer, you have only allowed him a pulpit to makeup his own context to hide his own personal agenda. "Let a Prophet judge a Prophet by the word of GOD".
According to scripture, Romans chapter 13:1, says Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers.
For there is no power but of God: The powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resistest the power, resistest the ordinance of God; and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
FOR RULERS ARE NOT A TERROR TO GOOD WORKS, BUT TO THE EVIL. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? Do that which is good and thou shall have praise of the same. FOR HE IS THE MINISTER OF GOD TO THEE FOR GOOD. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain; for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
1 PETER 2:13,14,15 says, Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the LORD'S sake whether it be to the king as supreme;
Or unto governors as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evil doers and for the praise of them that do well. For so is the will of GOD that with well doing you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men.
"The Rev. Wright" does not speak again, I say for us as christians, but for his own spite against something he has no control over, I suggest he submit, by preaching forgiveness and love, those that hate you. Anything else is doctrine of devils. Mr. Wright add to your bible these text and not your adding, lest you be "damned".
and May God keep blessing America. Mr. Moyer, the so called Rev. Wright has an obligation as a righteous man to be truthful to his congregation who are being misled. The media did not take him out of context.
4/27/08

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There is no doubt that racism exists, and has contributed to the demise of Black People. More so than racism on the part of Caucasians, or others, in addition, the deceit, the disgraceful actions of far too many Black leaders, preachers, and/or the so-called university educated from within the Black community is the greater enemy, and contributes to:

A. the destruction of the traditional Black family.

B. the illegal, unlawful, un-American incarceration of the truly innocent Black men and women.

C. trash the meaning or the essence of what it means to be a U.S. citizen, by their blatant disregard for the U.S. Constitutional and respective State Constitutional rights of law abiding citizens, within the Black community.

D. place more value in the rights of the truly criminal, illegal immigrants, and/or the deceitful at the expense of the lawful rights of the law abiding, the lawful citizen, the legal immigrant, and/or the truly ethical.

A,B,C and D make it very difficult and/or next to impossible for the truly law abiding, the ethical to escape the misguide wrath of their own Black leadership and/or the misguided, and many times deceitful, university educated Black middleclass.

The qualm that I have with Reverend Wright, Barack "the Magic Negro" Obama, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and/or others, is these individuals are not as truthful about the cause of the plight of Black America. Time, and time again these individuals place the blame on racist Caucasians, the Black underclass, while rarely if ever, questioning their own actions, and/or the wrong, criminal, and unethical acitons of any deceitful or disgraceful associate.

Little, if anything, is said or done, about the Black Elected leadership who use false pretenses to hold elected office, the many elected Black leaders who play games of deceit when petitioned for redress by innocent Black men, women, and/or children victimized by the wrong and blatantly illegal actions of government, each of whom petitioned their so-called leadership with valid claims exposing the atrocities of government, in the inner-city.

Last but not least, some of the biggest thieves in the Black community are its fake and phony preachers.



Thank you for this interview, Mr. Moyers. Your Journal is an oasis in a desert. I learned so much from getting to hear Reverend Wright. I will encourage others to watch the program. I guess it is up to the rest of us to be "broadcasters" by sharing this feast of information. What a dignified exchange over such important issues. We were invited and allowed to listen, experience, and ponder the issues along with the host and guest. Unlike the diseased sound "bites" offered by so many of the corporate media news stations, meant to stir up our emotions and bypass our brains and hearts, this encounter like the 23rd psalm “leadeth me beside the still waters” and “restoreth my soul.’

Deb in Fla: This may be beside the point, but Jesus was actually highly educated.
http://www.shamar.org/articles/Jesus_education.php
I wonder why the opposite belief has been propagated?

Is it racism when black people hate white people? Is it a hate crime only when it's committed by a white person?

I watched the interview with great interest. It definitely demonstrated how badly the media can misrepresent someone - especially how the right wing pundits (mostly on the FOX channel) used a very dishonest political tactic against Barack Obama to great effect by repeatedly showing clips of Rev. Wright totally out of their context.

Yes, Jeremiah Wright used a very poor choice set of words in that clip. But the content of that sermon, and of what Jeremiah Wright communicated with Bill Moyers, is very much in line with what many Christian teachers and preachers have communicated over many years. Some of you may be familiar with John MacArthur's book "Can God Bless America?" I haven't read it, but I skimmed it for about 15 minutes in a bookstore when it came out. The book came out in the wake of 9/11 when the phrase "God bless America" was coming back into popular usage. MacArthur asks Will God bless America? Can God Bless America? Should God Bless America? In short, MacArthur's answer is not unless America repents of her sins. Wright was making the same general point (though I think Wright has a greater emphasis on social sins and MacArthur emphasizes personal sins).
http://www.amazon.com/Can-Bless-America-John-MacArthur/dp/0849955599

About 15 years ago I was doing an intense study of the concept of The Kingdom of God. One of the books I encountered was "The Kingdom of God" by John Bright, written in 1953.
Bright writes about the relationship and difference between the Kingdom of Israel and the Kingdom of God. Bright wrote in 1953, "would Israel mistake the Davidic state for God's, and imagine that in it God had established his Kingdom? That was Israel's question. It is a question which is neither ancient nor irrelevant, but is asked of us today...will we, because we have churches and because we have political forms that are hospitable to their growth, assume that the present order is the God ordained order which God--if he be just--may be called upon to defend always? The people that answers the question so, will see it as the sole function of religion to support and to hallow in the name of God its own material best interests. But it will never begin to understand the meaning of the Kingdom of God."

And "if compared to other societies that have existed and do exist, ours is not a bad society at all but a very good one. We are a nation founded on Christian principles; our political institutions and our national dogma of the rights and the dignity of man have grown out of these principles...But will we then commit the fatal error? Will we, like Israel, imagine that our destiny under God and God's purposes in history are to be realized in terms of the society we have built? The temptation to do so is subtle...To this hope Amos speaks a resounding NO! Let us understand his words clearly: God does not in that sense have favored people. No earthly state is established of God, guaranteed of God, and identified with his purposes. Nor has any earthly order, however good, the means of setting up God's order in terms of its own ends. On the contrary, all societies are under the judgment of God's order, and those that have been favored with the light doubly so!"

To tradamerican:

Do you always begin a debate or discussion with someonw you might disagree with by insulting or name-calling? My original comments were not even directed to you, yet you reply by calling me a "troll"? That's mighty enlightened, eh?

Going back to the premise of my original point, you cited the ratification of voting laws in 1870 as a way to tell me....? Are you somehow denying the fact that blacks could not vote until 40 years ago? Are you somehow denying the historical fact that blacks were not LEGALLY full citizens until 40 years ago? And are you still referring to Reverend Wright as "un-American" when he volunteered to serve as a Marine to defend America even though he was not allowed to even vote?

You shall know the truth and the truth and truth alone shall set you free. Ignorance, misinformation or mis-education will not save America. Let us face the truth and have an honest conversation about race and racial injustices in our society.
I see Rev. Wright as a courageous and intelligent man. Not at all because I assume or expect him to be perfect nor because i agree with everything he says, but because he has served America, his community and God to the best of his ability.

I understand why most white people want to deny or run away from the truth about racism and what America has done and continue to do to black people. It is a ugly, bloody and cruel record. So instead of facing it, accepting the truth about it or dealing with it,they would rather hide it and try to destroy anyone who tries to force them to face it.
I hope America listens to what he is saying. God bless Rev. Wright and God bless America.

I watched the Wright speech at the NAACP dinner tonight. He says he's not running for the oval office, but he sure sounds like a politician. He's not running for Jesus either as Jesus was not an educated man , nor was he racist. Wright should stick to preaching the gospel and not educating us "Whites" on differences between the races and saying that a big change is coming.If you watch Wright's face during his rant you can see how self-serving he is. I hope he fades into the background.

Thank you "FOX NEWS"

Rev. Wright is pure love, and without the hate of corp. media, such light might only shine in Chicago.

Shine on Rev. Wright, Shine on Obama.

I've not seen Bill shine so bright since his interview with Joseph Campbell.

Shine On ;-)

Fight Fair: I'm sorry you had such bad experiences, but that was how many men in how many cities? And you suggest they represent all black men? I recommend therapy and a martial arts class.

I thank God for His Holy Spirit. You see American Citizens it is written; "Satan M.O. is to steal, kill, and destroy." The mainstream media is guilty of being the workers of Satan. They all gathered themselves together in order to destroy Rev Wright like the Pharasee and the Sadducees did against our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. However, God has exposed them all. Now when the media speak all I see is that their zippers are down and their dress is up over their heads. It is just funny. Now CNN, MSNBC,FOX, ABC,CBS, NBC media talking heads have no creditability just like America, Bush, and the Clintons. My question is "Was it worth it?"

SAD! SAD! SAD!!!

To US CITIZEN:
Your comments were articulated quite well and equally as well received.
On your comment that we should agree to disagree, I concur.
I respect your decision. I will cast my vote for Senator Obama and here's why. He has a long track record of being able to see the issue from both sides. (Not just Black and White). He also proven that he has the ability to reach across the isle for solutions to issues.I admire his fight for our veterans and how he pushes to get funding attached to legislation that he voted for which increased funding for armoured vehicles for our soldiers.
I don't know how he is going to handle the 'association' attacks from the right. I know as a concerned citizen, I researched every attack and I found them to be superficial at best, (except Reverend Wright).
I also do not agree with Senator Obama on every point concerning immigration. but I also know that he will have people who feel as you do, and people who feel as I do, as well as immigrants at his round table of discussions, trying to decide the best way to handle these issues. I also beleive that he will keep his promise that he will not replace or remove someone on his task force just because they might disagree with him. As far as immigrant children are concerned, they had very little say in being brought across the borders. And I could not, if I saw any child suffering allow it to continue, no matter what the nationality. I think that is the point of Senator Obama's plan.
About Reverend Wright's home, I think it was $1 million not 10, but I will check it out. There is an an Old Biblical adage that state: "A servant is worthy of his hire." I believe that with his work with the 70 ministries of the church, his community work and the charites in Africa, he's earned it. Besides, considering the payouts for CEO's such as Enron, Merrill Lynch, and other financial institutions, that is peanuts.
I agree with you that charity starts at home and then spreads abroad. But, I believe that Reverend Wright has already done that. I'm sure that when he became pastor in 1972, he had to reach into his own pockest to help members of this fledgling ministry. To his credit it has grown to become a great beacon on the south side of Chigcago. a sebastion of Hope. I know that you do not agree, but I believe Reverend Wright is a good man despite his voiciferous method of preaching.
I appreciate you hearing me out.Take care, God Bless and all the best.

I just saw the speech Rev. Wright gave at the NAACP dinner tonight. It was powerful, and very different from the Bill Moyers interview last Friday. I expect Rev. Wright's speech at the National Press Club tomorrow will yet be different still. These three events together create a much more complete picture of who this magnificent person, Rev. Wright, really is.

As to Bill Moyers Journal,
Bravo Public Television! Bill Moyers’ interview with Rev. Jeremiah Wright was phenomenal. This is why Public Television is so essential to our democracy. Finally, we have a chance to see and hear from someone whom we find, thanks to Mr. Moyers, is among the finest examples of a true American patriot. The photo Mr. Moyers shows of Rev. Wright standing over President Johnson at his most vulnerable, lying unconscious on an operating table, was nothing short of outstanding and revealing of Rev. Wright’s trustworthiness and profound patriotism.

I hope each of us will consider the atrocity FOX News engineered, which was quickly amplified by many other so called "news media", essentially creating a campaign of fear and rage--showing and reporting on the relentless looping of sound bites made highly incendiary, like napalm bombs of disinformation, with little trace of context.

In my view, this was a criminal act, no less serious than standing in a crowded theater and yelling FIRE, causing a life-endangering stampede when in truth there is no fire. It is no less than a hate-crime, perpetuated by corporate media in its most toxic form. Because of their reckless disregard for truth and public safety, they have created a situation where people associated with Rev. Wright's church have been made to fear for the lives.

This is not about free speech or freedom of the press; it is clearly about abuse of power. I wonder how many feel as I do that it would not be unreasonable to investigate the possibility of legal recourse against FOX News, now that we have the beneficial contrast of Mr. Moyers' insightful interview with Rev. Wright, which aligns with the highest ethic in journalism.

As events occur that compel us to respond to the unfolding conditions of race relations in today's America, and as an African-American, I'm especially mindful of our visibility and our duty to those, the young, who look to us for guidance.

Indeed, the future is calling us to the rescue. How do we respond?

With restraint, intelligence, principled action, and a caring respectful heart, we can influence meaningful public engagement--a unity through diversity. For in the long range, race is the least of our worries when Black, White, Yellow and Brown face the equalizing crisis of survival of the human species. We, the people, have the power to achieve harmony from mutual benefit, moving us all from surviving... to thriving.

Thank you, Mr. Moyers, for helping to be better informed as we find our way.

JUSTICE, if you want white women to quit holding their purse close when you walk by, DEAL WITH the black guys who steal! grab at them, kiss them in the hall at school,hiss as they walk by,etc. and attack! shoot with a big water gun from out the car window when you are walking in the pedestrian side in georgia.... etc. if YOU will deal with THOSE guys, THEN white women will stop clutching their purses when you walk by! i KNOW from terrible experiences with black guys! i am SO TIRED of hearing and reading about "racisim" when the problem is black guys acting like jerks! and thinking they can get by with it, because they are going to dish it out but not take it and blame their NASTY behavior on "racism". oh ya, i forgot the guy in the park in minnesota who grabbed me and announced "if you want one, you have to GRAB one." made me sick. i didn't notice he was there until i was GRABBED! since he grabbed me, the girl with him, got mad at me and slobbed snow cone or something on me! none of this nonsense was my idea!so JUSTICE....where were you when i needed YOU!? oh ya, and don't forget the black buy that BIT me....that was unpleasant! and those very TALL guys that lined up around me on the los angeles bus and one nasty so and so grabbed MY PURSE and work bag and tried to steal it....i hung on. but tthose nasty guys scared me so bad i QUIT carrying purses....which is a serious inconvience! next time you look your nose DOWN on a white woman holding her purse close, think of ME, and know i am not carrying a purse any more. and....finally i am speaking up. you and i MIGHT be friends! if only YOU would deal with these other LOUTS! maybe being a slender 111 pounds gave them the idea i couldn't fight back. they must have thought i was easy pickin's. mean isn't it?

Thank you for this informative hour of programming. I had only seen the snippets of Rev. Wright. Each of us are complex beings and I know I wouldn't want the worst 30 secs. of my life played over and over distorting who I am. I don't know if this interview will change any minds but if we are to progress in this nation we need to listen to others who have experiences that are not our own. Bill Moyers demonstrated excellence in journalism.

Thank you for providing an objective viewpoint on Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Your interview provided us with a more complete objective view of who the Rev. is, his work and accomplishments. I have only respect and admiration for the work of Rev. Wright. If only there were more like him to help our economically and spiritually poor communities in America. Thank you Bill Moyers for taking the risk of conducting such an interview!
It is sad that even after such a thorough and objective piece, there are still ignorant people who will continue to capitalize on the hate and racism promoted by the unfair politically motivated sound bites of the Rev. Wright. These hate mongers are what is wrong with America today. Those hate mongers who are also spewing their hate in this blog should be ashamed of themselves! Don't they have anything better to do?

I watched the Bill Moyer interview w/ Rev Wright on Fri and the CNN coverage of Rev Wright's NAACP speech and I was pleasantly surprised to see that this pastor is well spoken, compassionate, intelligent and steadfast in his effort to do GOD's work. At first I was a bit bewildered about why he was explaining the differences between the races but by the end of his speech I got it. As a caucasian person, I will admit that I have been guilty of criticizing things that were done by others w/o giving consideration to other people's culture. Because of this speech, I will do more to understand and embrace cultural differences in hopes of accepting that just because someone doesn't do things the way I do does not make them inferior, just different.

I had promised that I would not blog anymore because it saddens me that my children live in such a racist country. Even with that, I love America because I know that somewhere in all of its flaws there are still really good Americans. Reading these posts just reaffirms the truth....THAT THERE IS STILL A HUGE PROBLEM WITH RACISM IN AMERICA. Many people are mad because Pastor Wright called out racism in America and specifically in the acts of the government. But your posts only confirm his beliefs. It shows how big the problem of racism is in America and why we need to address it. Jeremiah Wright does not influence my beliefs that racism still exists in this country. White women who clutch their purses as I walk by confirm my belief that racism still exists in this country. A white teacher showing my friend's daughter a picture of the four white Disney princesses and telling her that she is not a princess because she does not "look" like these princesses. My son continuiously scoring within the 90+ percentile on standardized tests and still not being able to get into the top schools in Chicago confirms my belief that there is still racism in America. The fact that people feel the need to attack Pastor Wright's wife and children and encourage people to do harm to him and his family confirms my belief that there is racism in this country. This is the country that claims "the right to free speech"? So, is this not applicable to Pastor Wright, or better yet, black people? We are just forty years removed from the Civil Rights act. Stop acting as if once the Act was signed there was absolutely no racism in America. Dr. King was assasinated after the act was signed. Robert F. Kennedy was assasinated after the act was signed...and why? You do recall that he believed in equality for ALL Americans that did not sit too well with whites. And, not you attack Moyers because you feel that he is for a black man. Shame on you. Here is what I can do for you- AND ALL AMERICANS- I can pray for you. That is what the God that I serve teaches me to do. To trust Him and to go into prayer. Your logic does not follow sanity. You feel that Pastor Wright is a racist and that Obama should have left Trinity because he is a racist. So, I ask you, SHOULD ALL CATHOLICS LEAVE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH? ARE THOSE CATHOLICS WHO DO NOT LEAVE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH CHILD MOLESTERS? Exactly. Jeremiah Wright is not the problem. Nor has he not told the truth. I SURVIVED 9/11. I was there. I worked across the street from World Trade Center but was transferred uptown to work for a lady who turned out to be one of Hillary Clinton's best friend. 9/11 was my first day back to work because of a high risk pregnancy. BTW, Hillary advised her good friend to "get the hell out of NY!" while she was on television telling NYers, "these colors don't run." Anyway, I rode the train everyday with people of all colors and nationalities, but just in case you are not sure, NY has quite a few whites and many of them shared a similar view to Dr. Wright. They too, felt that America has done some unjust things that has caused someone to want to attack us. Do you not know that America has done some very harsh things to many a country. How dare any of us feel that no one should have a problem with us or hate us for the shameful things that we have done. And, BTW, Pastor Wright was very on point in his references to Hiroshima. DO THE RESEARCH. Check your facts! And if you did not know, the United Church of Christ is predominantly white. If you think that he is such a racist and so into the far right black liberation movement, nothing he would ever do would be associated with anything white. Sorry. I know him personally. He is my pastor. I do not feel the need to defend him or my beliefs or my church. I feel the need to speak as a Christian and to tell the truth. At the end of the day, your responses have not been Christian like. Bottom line. Even, if, as you say, you are a Christian, your response should not be hate filled, but full of prayer. If Pastor Wright were a racist, which of course he is not, then how come you have not entered into prayer for him instead of hating him. How come you have not encouraged others to pray for him instead of posting his address on the website and telling people to do harm to his children? I do not need to defend him. He is right and WRIGHT with God. However, I do feel the need to tell the truth. Stop kidding yourselves if you think that there is no racism in America. Should we start the healing? Ofcourse we should, but no sore will heal properly unless the would is PROPERLY CLEANED. Pretending that there is no racism in America is not properly healing the wound. Its putting a bandaid over a dirty cut. That only increases the chance of the sore getting infected and that is what this country has done. We have pretended not to see racism and act as though it does not exist and all we are doing in infecting the wound. Now, are you reading to start the healing of the wound. I am. Meet me at 95th in Chicago and take me by my hand. Pray with me and ask God to forgive us all. Pray for unity and growth and respect for ALL. Pray for love and an end to the war. And, pray for our children that they not have to endure what we all have endured over the years.

As I watched the mea culpa, errr...I mean news coverage of the NAACP convention tonight on CNN, I am reminded again of what a chasm exists between the privately owned media and public television. What if the same were to hold true with health care? That the quality of care would go UP if we took the profit out of it? Thank you to Bill Moyers for a thought provoking interview with Rev. Wright. Though I am not a religious person, if any pastor founds a church based on "white liberation theology" I will be its first member! Maybe the black liberation churches could be our mentors. Mmm.

I watched the show on Friday night and thought about it this weekend. I was impressed by a compassionate, intelligent, fair-minded individual. Tonight, Sunday, I saw his speech at the NAACP and was shocked to hear an angry, bitter, divisive man who was mocking and derisive of others in his remarks. I feel I have heard two completely different people, and Bill, I wonder if you have been conned.

Partisans of any stripe are the stupidest people on earth, and have absolutely no interest in seeking the truth.

Nicely said, Timothy. CNN aired Rev Wright's address to the NAACP LIVE! and is so full of themselves, that they are offering ongoing commentary now, and promising to keep going. Nothing they have had to say so far has come close to the Rev's straightforward and funny "sermon" in Detroit. The Rev is a stitch, and one of the few people who could really get away with saying some of the things he has over the years, given his service to this country, his commendations from the White House, his ministry to the poor, and his astounding intellect.

I've heard some people discount his service in the military because of rats like Timothy McVeigh and Oswald, who of course were both in the military. These people share more with McVeigh and Oswald than they do with the Rev because of their cheap shots. Hey, lots of vets are homeless too. Being a vet doesn't make you a saint, but don't tell me that Cheney and Rumsfeld are equal in service to their country because they have been in government. Big difference between humping as a grunt and what they do.

I pray that God will bless America, though Exodus 20 seems to say that He is ready to damn us for breaking his Commandments. Hopefully when we come to our senses as a nation, we can find forgiveness for our government's sins.

(Once more into the breech I go.)
Had supper, went for a walk, then checked to see how many posts so far. The column on the right shows about 1663 posts, and I noticed that other topics had the same corporate trolls posting there. I went to look and realized that they are posting comments about "The Controversy Over Wright" all over the place. These guys are so bored and so out of it that they don't even know what topic they are posting in.

It's sad to see how little corporate trolls even care about doing a hatchet job well. If you are going to smear somebody at least make an effort to make it look good.

I just realized these guys are probably paid per post, so they don't care.

(I'm going to go read a book now. Don't stay up too late.)

Mr. Moyers and PBS - THANK YOU!!! I am an ardent Obama supporter, but I must admit much discomfort over Rev. Wright's views and comments. All of that changed with your interview. He was engaging, compassionate, knowledgable and, more than anything else, a man of God. His truth about America's brutal history may be disturbing to some, but the truth will, indeed, set us free.

Are you people so bullheaded that you can't recognize and admit you've been obviously tricked and used as puppets for someone's crooked agenda?!?!

Someone in the media FINALLY (since you have to have your hand held & can't research on our own) lays the whole thing out for those of you who say "video doesn't lie"
so that you can see EVERYTHING that Rev. Wright actually said, instead of just what some anti-Obama body wants to spoon feed you, so that you can regurgitate it on others!

Congratulations, you're the reason why racism and the need for change and unity are such BIG issues in 2008 A.D. We've put men on the moon, found ways to fight cancer, and gone leaps and bounds with technology, yet we still can't come together because of differences in our skin pigmentation. You should feel proud. Wait...anyone perpetuating this foolishness is stupid, so let me let you know I'm being facetious. Sorry, I'm not really congratulating you. Sorry, (gotta make it real simple for you) you're dumb.

It is truly sad but not surprising to see such hatred, racism and even worse, blind idiocy spewed across blogs. This done by those who knew NOTHING of Rev. Wright before hearing 1/2 sound bites, and cling to their misguided notions even after being blessed to hear the WHOLE truth from the "horse's mouth". No, you choose to believe pieces of information and make him out to be a hate-filled racist and old crazy man in an attempt to validate what you've been waiting to tell the world. Perhaps you were hoping Obama wouldn't have been so bright, or really so "We Are the World" in his vision of America making him unable to give you ammunition like Jackson or Sharpton. The minute someone CREATED the fuel for you, you blindly jump right on it and set us all back 50 years.

I'm so thankful that finally someone was willing to let Rev. Wright speak instead of continuing to hoodwink those who are not willing to do their homework to get the full truth. I only hope that others in the broader media scope will piggyback this effort and start telling the whole story again instead of what will incite panic, fear and anger. It's time for the networks to remember what NEWS is SUPPOSED to be instead of continuing to look more and more like the Enquirer.

And for those of you who were intelligent enough to take an hour of your life to hear the whole story, please continue to empower others in your life with the truth as many of you have done on this site.

I'm not a member of Trinity, but I'm from the Chicago area and have seen the TV broadcasts of Rev. Wright's sermons over the years. The reoccurring and obvious theme in his style of preaching is to stir up in the listener the need to pick up their Bible, a book or two or even a newspaper and find out for themselves what is actual instead of what they've been told. Obviously some people still don't get it.

To expose Obamadot.com:

Do these remarks below truly represent your web site and its' visitors? They are the kind of excuses all abusers give to their victim wives, children, girlfriends ect... "It is your fault, I did it, or it is your fault I hate you, it is your fault I blackened your eye, or it is your fault I had to beat you, or burn you, or shoot you, or worse, and so forth and so on. They do have classes for people given to abuse others. I'm sure you did not mean to imply you are an abuser, along with the people who follow you.

No one but you is to blame for your hate speech and misinformation.

I wish you well, and I wish you truth. Most people here now know Rev. Wright intended no hate toward anyone. They listened to his speech. Did you?


"Obama supporters are making us whites hate you blacks and it's your own fault."

"Posted by: exposeobamadotcom"

Thank you, thank you, thank you for exposing this manufactured "controversy" for what it is! I've always prided myelf for being above mainstream media manipulation but i must admit that this time around they got me and got me good! Only 15 minutes into the program i began to realize that there is a carefully orchestrated campaign in some media circles to demonize Jeremiah Wright, with the ultimte aim of stoppping Obama's momentum. I have no doubt that viewers who watched this program with an open mind will be appalled and outraged at the degree to which some commentators who preach the "fair and balanced" gospel have exploited the trust of their viewers in this matter to promote their own agendas. Isn't it curious that no one from the Fox News Channel has ever hinted that Jeremiah Wright's comments about 9/11 were actually a word for word reference to an interview which a former U.S ambassador made on FOX NEWS immediately after 9/11, blaming America's actions for the attacks??? This whole thing is rotten to the core! If there was ever a time for the public to think for itself, this is it.

Thank you, thank you, thank you for exposing this manufactured "controversy" for what it is! I've always prided myelf for being above mainstream media manipulation but i must admit that this time around they got me and got me good! Only 15 minutes into the program i began to realize that there is a carefully orchestrated campaign in some media circles to demonize Jeremiah Wright, with the ultimte aim of stoppping Obama's momentum. I have no doubt that viewers who watched this program with an open mind will be appalled and outraged at the degree to which some commentators who preach the "fair and balanced" gospel have exploited the trust of their viewers in this matter to promote their own agendas. Isn't it curious that no one from the Fox News Channel has ever hinted that Jeremiah Wright's comments about 9/11 were actually a word for word reference to an interview which a former U.S ambassador made on FOX NEWS immediately after 9/11, blaming America's actions for the attacks??? This whole thing is rotten to the core! If there was ever a time for the public to think for itself, this is it.

Thank you, trolls, for posting so many of your lies in one place. Since most of the people who watch PBS are thoughtful and don't take things at face value, we will research every one of the "facts" you have posted here. You make our lives much easier.

I have heard that people are paid to write destructive blog posts that are full of vile, cruel remarks. It seems that this is true here.

Let me say that I totally agree that this was a constructive interview. I understand much more about Rev. Wright from this interview than I could possibly understand from the sound bites from commercial TV. Thank you, Bill Moyers.

Dear Jack:

You're not here because you need information or education. It appears information has been offered, and opportunities for education have been made available to you. Are you being paid to purvey misinformation? Why are you here?

As I came back to the blog and again see so much hatred of Blacks. It is like JH said, disconcerning and sad. I see also lots of approval of what was said and the fact that Rev Wright was given an opportunity to express himself. But you still see the hate because these people claim that they are offended by God Damn America but did you serve this country? Did you place your life on the line? Some would say he joined so that he could get money for school but lots do join the service to go to school and do better for themselves. But if you are rich and do not need to serve in the military for school money, why don't you serve for the sake that you love this country only?
For the ones who claim that Rev Wright did not have the right to say anything because he is Black but who but the native American have more right to say anything? Blacks have died for this country from the time they were brought here in all the wars and even now. So that you are offended that a Black man said GD America but it is ok for white preachers to say it. None of you have complained about Hagee and others of this ink that support McCain. As far as a megachurch, well Rev Wright does not own this church and it is not totally Black but have whites and Hispanics.

So to complain that he has bought an expensive house, well what about the other white preachers, do you hate that they own multi million dollar homes? I bet you give to them donations and cheer when they have their tv shows asking for money and buy their books and are glad for their wealth.

But let a Black person have some of the 'American Dream' boy do you howl and complain for you all think Blacks are on welfare and have tons of kids are deadbeats.

Well that is not true. Not all of us are in prison, been to prison or committed crimes or on drugs but that is your perception of Blacks. Too bad for you.

We all have our experience of living in this country and not all have lived the good life, some have had a hard time but have held their heads high.

So Go Rev Wright, keep your head high and know that only God can judge you, man is nothing and what he thinks is nothing.

Catch Rev. Wright speaking on CNN in a couple of minutes!

In 1981, the first cases of AIDS (Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome) were identified among gay men in the United States, acquiring the designation, GRID (Gay-Related Immune Deficiency)

So much for Jerry Wright's comments that the government created AIDS to get rid of blacks. AIDS was even called Gay Related Immune Deficiency back then, not, Black Related Immune Deficiency.

Jery Wright LIES!!!!!!!

Shame on the main stream media.

Dear Lady 49:
After reading your comments I think that I might conclude that our reasoning is similar, but our conclusions differ.
I also think that we could have a long, calm conversation about everything you mention and at the end, things would still remain the same.
I really do have the "live and let live" philosophy. This is why any "rabble-rousing" is bothersome to me. If everyone were to live by the Golden Rule, as you say, be respectful of one another, things would be much better. I am as bothered by the far-right preachers as I am with Reverend Wright's comments. This may be surprising to you. Whenever anyone uses the "holier than thou" argument, there is trouble. Whenever anyone divides by using the WE are a united group, this is bothersome to me.
If we could all respect one another and live in peace that would be great. Maybe the complaints would cease, but as Henry David Thoreau so aptly wrote: "The fault-finder will find fault even in Paradise." I believe this to be true.
I can only take responsibility for my own actions, and again, won't accept the blame for the actions of others.
I also will not be voting for Obama. Even if it is "guilt by association" he has lost my trust. He doesn't have my vision for the future. He is my Senator, and I have written to him upon several occasions regarding issues. I am particularly concerned about his stand on illegal immigration and the Dream Act. While there are many who disagree with me, I am opposed to any sort of amnesty. I think that all citizens should realize that our FIRST responsibility is to our citizens. We must give jobs and educational opportunities to our children first. The provision in the early draft of the Dream Act allowed for Federal funds to be used to finance the education of the children of illegal immigrants. I just don't agree with this. I think the children of our citizens deserve an education first. I don't think that the uninvited guests should get preferential treatment.
These are issues that should concern all Americans. We are paying the bill. I'd rather help our own first, even if that's selfish. If we don't ehlp ourselves, then we will surely all be in greater need and very soon!
I am sorry that I lost the first draft of this message--it was much more articulate...
I will end with this, and I promise this is the last time I will ask the question, maybe some one will answer it: Why isn't anyone concerned about Reverend Wright's acceptance of a large house and a large expense account? If it is 10 million dollars then that church money could be split to give 40 families each $25,000. I don't understand it. If I were the Rev. I would be happy to share and wouldn't live like a rock-star!

Your show made me realize what a hatchet job the commercial media is doing on Wright and Obama. They had me thinking Wright was some demon, but hearing a longer clip of his sermon on your show what he said would make perfect sense to a Church serving a University community even if the people were all white. I think he is in the tradition of an orator and peacher of almost a Mark Twainsian character and he was speaking the truth. To watch Hannity and Combs on fox tell it they he is some imminent danger and hater and I can see the media now turing against Obama on a number of fronts. Hillary may well win the nomination after all and an opportunity would have been lost. I am surprised how quickly race has been injected into this campaign and how sneakily and meanly the powers that be have done this. Anyways Wright is not a threat, but more a national treasure as well as a bit of a character and we are better for it. Next they will criticize Bill for doing this important show. But at least he is reporting the news and not making it up like the others. That is the new trend in fox and time warner, which is to make up the news, not just report it. And these pundit talking heads they are putting on are just propagandists, not true analysts.

I am sorry to say, that in this full interview, Rev Wright has exposed himself as lacking in true understanding of scripture,or much worse.
When the Israelis were being taken away to become slaves, they decided to kill their children. Rev Wright said they wanted revenge against their captors and then it became revenge against their own babies. He needed that point for later analogies re America. he needed it so much that it caused him to unconsciously, or consciously (that is a big question) twist the truth of that historical scripture into the Israelites hating and killing their own babies. No, the fact is, that the Israelites did not want their children to grow up as slaves. To be brutalized and spiritually diminished, so, out of deep love, they believed death would be a better choice for them. That is obvious, they never hated their babies - that is the height of blindness in scriptual and human understanding.
He railed against slavery - yes it was awful and so wrong, but to pray and exhort G-d Damn America, is to again be (purposefully?) blind to the fact that millions of white people fought (hundreds of thousands died) to end slavery, and millions later marched, prayed, made phone calls and wrote letters to end discrimination - and to ignore and to spit on the fact, that many millions of white people donated, campaigned and voted for Mr Obama (again only to help support Mr wright's need to rant in negative glory-all for his own gain), he forgets that Japan attacked us, killed thousands by surprise -would not give up - tortured and murdered our prisoners-and the choice was to have another 50 to 10,000 of our men die, or end it. I hate the thought of it - I regret it - but that was the best choice to end a horrible war - which they started.
Israel gave Gaza to the Palestinians as a unilateral peace gesture - they immediately moved in Rockets and have been pounding Israel with death and destruction ever since.
Talk about 30 second snippets - Mr Wright presents only 30 second snippets of America's history. Yes lots of bad-but what about the mountains of good? I believe that today's appearance of his entire sermon, and his disingenuous explanations have put the final nails in the coffin of Obama's chances.
My last and most important point is: REV WRIGHT IS A MAIN ADVISER ON OBAMA'S CAMPAIGN STAFF. I believe that if Obama is elected. We would soon be trying to decide (a stark analogy) whether to give the terrorists just half-of Texas instead of the whole of it which they may be demanding-and Mr Obama, with Wright's 'advice' will probably give an eloquent speech as to why giving all of Texas to the bullies would be best for 'human understanding' and brotherhood' with our unfortunate brothers. If you really want to see g-d damn America in action - just elect Mr O and grit your teeth as the White House fills with Rev Wright and the rest of the loonies hovering around this very questionable Barak Hussein Obama persona. I like some of what he says, ...but I DO NOT TRUST HIM - I DARE NOT TRUST HIM. Humble Brian the Great Santa Cruz, Ca.

Jack Howard,

You still have not taken off the blinders. Why? Are you afraid of change? It will be good for this country. You must have never been bit in the butt by the bureaucracy. You lucky ducky you. You aren't one of the investors of the prisons are you, trying to protect your investment? Are in with the pharmaceutical companies making record profits for HIV and AIDS medications? That is no conspiracy that is the truth. Who always get experimented on and stepped on and marginalized the most in this country? Black folk. All for the love of money and power.

Sincerely,
BJ

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I agree that pastors don't deserve "golden parachutes."

IF (Big "IF") that is true, I'd look at it this way.

How many millions have CEO's received for running their companies into the ground after FOUR years?
And how many WHITE pastors received great deals from their own churches?

And how many times did you complain about that?

But here, Rev. Wright grows his church from 89 to 6000 over THIRTY years of service and you squeal like a little pig.

I don't know for a fact that Wright is going to receive what you say. If he does, then it's up to his congregation to complain. It is, after all, THEIR money, not yours or mine.

How refreshing! I would like to attend a few sermons by Reverend Wright, thought provoking and truthful. You know sometimes the truth hurts, but if we are to change, we must look at our ugliness as well as our goodness. What the media is today is mostly composed of sensational sound-bites lacking in context which are used to promote one-sided views. Not giving people all the information in the media but only limited sound-bites, is not in my opinion responsible, ethical journalism, but a manipulation of peoples judgement.

Thank you Bill Moyers for your challenging, thought provoking, intelligent, open minded, heartfelt interviews. Thank you Reverend Wright for being brave and speaking the truth as you see it.

Debra

Hey exposeobamadotcom,

Then how come you are not mobilized against white people who are openly racist? I heard the head of the republican party in NC say that Jesse Helms was a great American. He is a known bigot and obviously she is one too. With her passive-aggressive personality. Also what about those KKK and Aryan Nation folk who are openly anti government and have their own "white power" Christian views about being the Aryan pure white true decedents of the Israelites, I hear no out rage when they make their way to the media. You probably understand and sympathize with them right? Maybe that is your true calling, a skinhead. Go join up cause you already think like them. You are them aren't you?

Sincerely,
BJ

Unfortunately, I was right. Very few are taking Bill Moyers' advice. And no one in the media is "watching and listening" to Rev. Wright's words.

Instead, the media is using Rev. Wright as a code-word. He has become the 2008 version of Willie Horton.

The public is taking its cues from the media that only says, "Rev. Wright is the gift to the Clinton campaign that just keeps giving."

The media purposely replays Rev. Wright stating that his job is to teach his congregation about religion and Obama's job is to inspire people about politics.

Thus, Rev. Wright tells his flock how the bible shows us when God rejects a nation that goes astray. (i.e. How God condemns America.)

This is nothing new, folks.

How many times do priests and preachers warn us that God will punish us if we disobey?

HELLO.

But Rev. Wright says it and people want to tie him around Obama's neck.

But the media doesn't want to hear it and the public is too lazy to care.

What we get as a result is what we deserve. The roosters will, indeed, come home to roost.

Mr Moyers thank you for your courage and integrity in your interview of Rev. Wright. Thank you Rev. Wright for speaking the truth as you see the truth and remaining true to your calling.

Very few saw the need for prophetic witness in the days following 9/11. The tragic consequences of a nation over-reacting to what happened that day. Very few saw a war in Iraq as unjust, illegal and unwarranted. But there were some who saw through the smoke screen of deception. It seems that same smoke screen is going up once again. Attempting to cloud the senses of us all once again. Weapons of mass distraction once again.

Church builds $1 million mansion for Wright

http://www.suntimes.com/business/867629,CST-NWS-wright29.article

FYI. In the Chicago Sun-Times on page 2 recently, was a picture of Rev. Wright's new $1 Million home in a gated community. They dug deeper into the paperwork, and there is a $10 million trust fund attached, presumably for Rev. Wright's retirement.
I don't know about you, but most pastoral servants don't get an $11 million "Golden Parachute".
You don't hear anything about it,
but it must be OK with Barack.
I posted that as a comment to Barack, and I got back a canned email about the Wright comments.
I am more cheesed about this "retirement package".
Yes, Wright worked for 30 years.
No, he doesn't deserve $11 million dollars working for the church.
There may be further on this in the Chicago Sun Times, but I only saw the one story.
It deserves a lot more play.
Kind of elitist to look the other way while the "spiritual mentor" retires on multiple millions.
Happy Hunting!

Help expose the truth about the Obama's.. Help post on all the local news sites in Indiana & North Carolina
before May 6. ALL Americans should know who they really are,

http://www.stop-obama.org

http://www.obamatruth.org

I SEE THAT.

TO XTRINITYMEMBER:
They are posting the same "thank you" and "bless you" pathetic notes because they were mobilized by the RACIST CULT as well as the OBAMA CAMPAIGN. They are trying to manipulate people the same way Bill Moyers tried to manipulate public opinion with this so called "interview".
The person/few people that post all the "thank you" and "bless your wonderful soul" :-) notes are not even familiar with the concept of the "IP ADDRESS" that their computer/s/ leave here.

xtrinityMember,.. because Obama has his puppets working overtime.

I recd this interesting email...hmmmm:
Rudy Giuliani's priest has been accused in grand jury proceedings of molesting several children and covering up the molestation of others. Giuliani would not disavow him on the campaign trail and still works with him.

Mitt Romney was part of a church that did not view black Americans as equals and actively discriminated against them. He stayed with that church all the way into his early thirties, until they were finally forced to change their policies to come into compliance with civil rights legislation. Romney never disavowed his church back then or now. He said he was proud of the faith of his fathers.

Jerry Falwell said America had 9/11 coming because we tolerated gays, feminists and liberals. It was our fault. Our chickens had come home to roost, if you will. John McCain proudly received his support and even spoke at his university's commencement.

Reverend John Hagee has called the Catholic Church the "Great Whore." He has said that the Anti-Christ will rise out of the European Union (of course, the Anti-Christ will also be Jewish). He has said all Muslims are trained to kill and will be part of the devil's army when Armageddon comes (which he hopes is soon). John McCain continues to say he is proud of Reverend Hagee's endorsement.

Reverend Rod Parsley believes America was founded to destroy Islam. Since this is such an outlandish claim, I have to add for the record, that he is not kidding. Reverend Parsley says Islam is an "anti-Christ religion" brought down from a "demon spirit." Of course, we are in a war against all Muslims, including presumably Muslim-Americans. Buts since Parsley believes this is a Christian nation and that it should be run as a theocracy, he is not very concerned what Muslim-Americans think.
John McCain says Reverend Rod Parsley is his "spiritual guide."

What separates all of these outrageous preachers from Barack Obama's?
You guessed it. They're white and Reverend Jeremiah Wright is not. If it's not racism that's causing the disparity in media treatment of these preachers, then what is it?

I'm willing to listen to other possible explanations. And I am inclined to believe that the people these preachers go after are more important than the race of the preacher. It's one thing to go after gays, liberals and Muslims - that seems to be perfectly acceptable in America - it's another to accuse white folks of not living up to their ideals.

I think there is another factor at play as well. The media is deathly afraid of calling out preachers of any stripe for insane propaganda from the pulpits for fear that they will be labeled as anti-Christian. But criticism of Rev. Wright falls into their comfort zone. It's easy to blame him for being anti-American because he criticizes American foreign and domestic policy.

If Rev. Wright had preached about discriminating against gay Americans or Muslims, there probably would not have been any outcry at all. That falls into the category of "respect their hateful opinions because they cloak themselves in the church."

But one thing is indisputable - the enormous disparity in how the media has covered these white preachers as opposed to Rev. Wright. Have you ever even heard of Rod Parsley? As you can see from what I listed above, all of these white preachers have said and done the most outlandish and offensive things you can imagine - and hardly a peep.

If the disparity in coverage isn't racist, then what is it?
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TO xtrinitymember:
They are posting the same "thank you" and "bless you" pathetic notes because they were mobilized by the RACIST CULT as well as the OBAMA CAMPAIGN. They are trying to manipulate people the same way Bill Moyers tried to manipulate public opinion with this so called "interview".
The person/few people that post all the "thank you" and "bless your wonderful soul" :-) notes are not even familiar with the concept of the "IP ADDRESS" that their computer/s/ leave here.

Obama is a lier and a snake.

Rev. Wright is 100% right with regards to the miseducation of America. This is a good man. I think I would rather vote for him. It is sad that we can longer identify the truth.

Obama supporters are making us whites hate you blacks and it's your own fault.

Hey MR exposeonstupidity:

Everybody and their uncle including Govenor Rendell of Pennsylvania praised Minister Farrakahn
for his Million man march and his work promoting family unity. Where were your objections when THE OPPONENTS DID IT
Now don't get it twisted you can't have it both ways.

Why is the same person's (Obama supporter)using different screen names to post the same rubbish? It's so obvious.

(I couldn't stay away. I had to check back before supper.)
Since the trolls are still spamming this blog I thought I'd post some of my own thoughts about how to fix the system. Here is another one:

When President Lyndon Johnson signed the Voting Rights Act long ago, he had tons of liberals demanding all sorts of civil rights laws be passed. He pointed out that all people really needed was the right to vote and the politicians would be forced to listen to the voters if they wanted to be re-elected. Over time we have all lost the vote. It didn't just start in 2000 with "hanging chad" the vote has been whittled away as the press has become less and less "free" and more and more corporate letting the politicians and the voters off the hook.

Here are four things that we must do to regain the vote.

1. Quorum Calls

In every elected body, from the local Garden Club to the US House/Senate, there is a thing called a "quorum call". That's where anyone can demand that at least two-thirds of the people be present to hold a vote.

Every elected body uses "quorum calls", every elected body understands the power of "quorum calls" yet no public election that I know of requires that at least two-thirds of voting public shows up to vote.

Think about that. There have been presidential elections where only fifteen percent of possible voters elected the winner and it is declared a "landslide", a "mandate by the people". Fifteen percent is not a mandate.

Each party uses dirty tricks, negative ads, "swift boating", to not just smear the other, but to specifically drive voters away from the polls and not vote.

Politicians do not want voters to show up. If they did, they would have used "quorum calls" as the standard long ago.

If "quorum calls" were standard you would not have to worry about "term limits", or forcing the politicians to pay attention to voters. You would not have "attack ads". You would not have high priced corporate trolls spamming blogs like this trying to chase away good people and keep them from reading real comments. You would not have witch hunts that demonize someone like Dr. Wright because politicians would know that voters would make them suffer at the ballot box.

2. Mail-in-ballots

Stop the horse race mentality of elections. I am sick of watching pundits declare a winner of an election based on a reported vote of half-of-one-percent because they want to be the first to get the word out. (The 2000 election with every idiot anchor jumping back and forth trying to beat the other network was obscene.) This is a republic not a football game.

Elections should take a month or two, not drag out for over a year. Voting is what we should take time on. People have to work. The nonsense of having only one day to cast a vote, within the time limits set by their job, keeps people from engaging in the process. You should not have to stand in line for hours then only have minutes to cast a ballot on some weird machine you've never used before, and cannot trust. The ballot should be clear and obvious, not designed to trip up people with multiple ways to fail.

Whole groups of people have their right to vote stripped away to keep them from voting, and they don't know there is a problem until it is too late to fix it. Absentee ballots are routinely tossed when any "problem" occurs and the voter is never notified that their vote was not counted. Polling sites in poor areas routinely have too few voting machines, or even broken machines, while rich areas have tons of machines and no lines.

Mail-in-ballots with options clearly laid out, counted calmly over time, with plenty of time to confirm the count, and time to check those ballots that have problems, is worth any expense and stops any party from rigging votes or stealing an election.

3. Free advertising on TV and Radio

We own the airwaves, yet every election TV and Radio makes huge profits from political commercials. That's why the Corporate Media drags out the elections for over a year, to maximize their profits. They even brag about how much money they make every election to their stockholders. Even on the business programs on PBS the pundits say, "Invest in TV stocks because they are going to make a killing during election years." All they are doing is killing the democratic process and putting elected officials in debt to the money people and not the voters who put them there.

Yes, corporations should be free to donate money to political campaigns, they will still need money to make the TV and Radio ads, buy bumper stickers, set up offices, but not one dime should be spent to air the ad.

The amount of money being raised and spent by the latest election is obscene, and there is no way for any candidate to go into office with clean hands, owing nothing to their corporate masters.

4. Not-for-profit Press

I'll say what I said before:

The only way to fix this systemic problem is to have a truly free and independent press. One that is not-for-profit and that exist solely to cover the news, inform the public, hold politicians to task, rather than simply entertain a befuddled consumer nation as it does now.

(See, the corporate trolls are not the only ones that can post huge rambling messages that are totally off topic. Time for supper, 60 Minutes will be on in a bit. You guys have fun.)

Thank you for the professional, and HONEST report. i wish the cable networks would follow your example, and allow the sources of stories (or character assasinations) speak directly for themselves. It provides for clarity and understanding that is necessary. Thanks for not creating a soundbite, but demonstrating ethical journalism.
[I am a white christian,republican, woman who desires unity in our country and in the church] AND i appreciate Rev.Wright's proclamation of truth, and the message of redemption in Christ.

Brenda, I am responding to your question, "If black Americans are healed, will white Americans suffer?"

If justice and equality is meted out across the board to all Americans, everyone can prosper. No one suffers.

Some of the media and some unscrupulous polictians tout FEAR to Americans for their own gain. Unfortunately, some Americans fall for it.

When equality and justice prevail in America across the board, all Americans will prosper. Where there is injustice, there is no peace and all of us as Americans suffer in end because of it.

Our mindset has to start changing into the understanding that we are all in this together. We are a UNITED States of America regardless of race.

It is imperative that we become a united people because a house divided against itself cannot stand.

bj,bj,bj, one does not have to prove a negative.

Where Was Obama? Again.

Where was Obama, when Farrakhan said:

“In the last 10 years America has experienced more calamities than at any other time period in American history. Why, America? God is angry.”[Farrakhan]

Obama was in the crowd, listening. For a man whose campaign had no qualms about using even the vaguest reference to race, as a charge of racism, where was Obama (?) when Farrakhan said:

“The real evil in America is the idea that under-girds the setup of the Western world, and that idea is called white supremacy.” [Farrakhan]

Where was Obama (?) when Farrakhan said:

“And so, white folks are having heart attacks today because their world is coming down. And if you look at the Asians, the Asians have the fastest-growing economies in the world.’ [Farrakhan]

Obama was in the crowd. Was he nodding?

After all, his pastor, who had led Obama to see the Truth in Christ, who had briefly employed Obama, and would some day come to depend on Obama’s financial contributions, this pastor who had married Obama to a black women whose mind was singularly preocupid with White racism, a pastor who is still shepparding Obama’s children, this pastor had co-organized the Million Man March with his long-time friend, Louis Farrakhan. There is no mystery in why Obama, a man dedicated to Black Community Activism would be in the crowd,

Obama took time off from attending campaign coffees to attend October’s Million Man March in Washington, D.C. [Chicago]

No mystery, because as his 1995 book Dreams from My Father makes clear, Obama was obsessed with being black, and nearly oblivious to any of his white heritage. Obama enjoyed himself a great deal at the March:

“What I saw was a powerful demonstration of an impulse and need for African-American men to come together to recognize each other and affirm our rightful place in the society. There was a profound sense that African-American men were ready to make a commitment to bring about change in our communities and lives. [Chicago]

Obama stated that African-American “tribal affinities” [Obama’s words] were important, because

These are mean, cruel times, exemplified by a ‘lock ‘em up, take no prisoners’ mentality that dominates the Republican-led Congress. Historically, African-Americans have turned inward and towards black nationalism whenever they have a sense, as we do now, that the mainstream has rebuffed us, and that white Americans couldn’t care less about the profound problems African-Americans are facing.” [Chicago]

Obama’s only criticism consisted of

But what was lacking among march organizers was a positive agenda, a coherent agenda for change. Without this agenda a lot of this energy is going to dissipate. [Chicago]

Obama had no issues with Farrakhan, his speech, and the predominantly Muslim march he had organized. Obama made special arrangements to attend the march, and no attempts at all to distance himself from Farrakhan. Why would he? One can imagine that Obama must have known Farrakhan personally when one considers Farrakhan’s close friendship with Obama’s pastor, Jeremiah Wright. Wright and Farrakhan have been chums for decades! If Obama didn’t know Farrakhan, he certainly shared a significant portion of Farrakhan’s message. He clearly wasn’t bothered by giving explicit support by his attendance to a man who has been video-recorded saying that

“The Jews don’t like Farrakhan, so they call me Hitler. Well, that’s a good name. Hitler was a very great man. He rose Germany up from the ashes.” [source]

Did Obama stand up against his church’s associations with Farrakhan when Farrakhan made the following statement? Did he tell his daughters “beware of this hateful man!” Did he tell his pastor “Jeremiah, why are you friends with this bigot”?-

Hey, Big Al, you're right. The pastors of the OTHER candidates have a lot more destruction on their minds. Rev. Wright speaks of what has gone before and how we can improve ourselves.
The other pastors, who endorse candidates (esp. McCain), speak of what is to come and how they are hoping for the destruction of the human race- nuclear war anyone?
Even Hillary said she would 'obliterate' Iran under certain circumstances - with thousands more innocent people sacrificed. Haven't you killed enough people to date??
OK, lets stop Obama, as one poster wants to do. Firstly, that is not the subject of this post. But having put it out there - let's ask who this poster wants in his place?
I am posting from outside the USA so have no vested interest in the elections - except that more bombing of innocent people in far off countries does not do it for me. We all follow what you do from all over the world and Obama is the most outstanding candidate to get your country back on track. Shame on your MSM for the smear job. Rev Wright is one of the most authentic people in your country.
God save you all, and the world from your stupidity.

Lady & Beverly,... the fact is that Trinity
is not about love to ALL but to BLACKS.

US CITIZEN,
The questions I posed to you were purely rhetorical. Only food for thought. I made no assumptions.
I think that while you want to about unity, you want to do so only on your terms.One of the core principles of GOODWILL is RESPECT. You have to give the other person credit for having a different set of circumstances that are equally as legitimate as yours.
When you heard some of Reverend Wright's comments, you were offended as many of us were. That is a good thing on your part because at least you cared enough to be concerned that you were being accused falsely.
But when I listened more carefully and thought about his motivation for saying so,I understood that they did not come from a place of hatred or disdain for America or "White" people. Those comments were not directed specifically at you. So I have a few more questions to ask of you:
1) Don't you realize that Reverend Wright knows and understands that Sojourner Truth did not get the slaves to freedom without the help of White people who believed that slavery was wrong?
2)Don't you think that Reverend Wright knows that the parents of the Jewish boys who were slain during the civil rights movement felt just as much pain as the Black parents felt when they learned that their children had been brutally slain?
3) Do you not realize that historically the black church has been the hallmark for political action against social injustices. We don't meet just to talk about you guys! We are trying to make this place better for our children and grand children, so that they don't have to experience the atrocities that we did.
Historically, we couldn't meet at libraries because we weren't allowed to read.
If we tried to hold meetings at our homes, rocks, multov cocktails were thrown through the windows. So, don't knock Senator Obama because he speaks the truth. This is still true today. And it is not a bad thing. It is a vital thing for the African American Community

ALSO I WANT YOU TO CONSIDER WHY I FEEL THAT
YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT SENATOR OBAMA.
Although this site is about Reverend Wright, I need to say a couple of things to you:
1) The muslim school in Indonesia is inclusive and emphasizes the building of one's character through inner peace and universal harmony. This explains why Senator Obama never flies off the handle during this campaign. Because he internalized, during his formative years, at this elementary school in Indonesia the principles of 'temperance'. The Indonesian Islam is not the same as Jihadist Islam.
My questions to you are:
1) if during the Republican national convention, the President invited several muslim speakers to offer their support for his re-election,why was being muslim then not a problem?
2) In this fight against terror,if one our strongest allies has the name "Hussein", why is King Hussein of Jordan being muslim not a problem?
3)Why if one of the first generals selected by this president to head the Gulf war, muslim. why was his religion, not a problem?
As one of Senator Obama's opponents put it: We have honorable muslim judges and soldiers, assisting us in trying to bring about a stable government. He called them honorable. and I agree.
5) My question to you is why do you have a problem with the fact that Senator Obama attended a school in Indonesia that was muslim because that was the predominate religion of the country?
Senator Obama is a Christian, yet you want to tag him with something negative about being muslim when we have such positive history with people of muslim religion in this country.
That's a a bit like a hypocrit isn't it?
Senator Obama's mother started a micro-financial system there where she was able to help other Indonesian families start businesses with small loans of $50-100 and repay the loans on an honor system (Rolling Stones, March issue).
What did Senator Obama learn in Indonesia? He learned how to help poor people.
There is not enough time nor space to discuss your with idea that racism doesn't exist. But I will say this, Don't you know that Reverend Wright pastors white people also. Not just whites, but people of many nationalities. Trinity United Church of Christ was founded on the principles of racial harmony.
Finally, people who cheer on 'whitness' is not racism, that's just ignorance and predjudice. Racism occurs when one race/person in a position of power attempts to hold another race/person down by blocking the economic and educational advancement based solely on race,creed or color. Racial harmony and unity is and should be a goal of this nation. But, when we come to the table you have to know that I have as much power and you do and it is ok for me to tell you that I believe that you are wrong as it is for you to tell me where you feel that I am wrong. We have common goals and we can work them out together. Then and only then can we have true UNITY.

I knew this interview would not get the attention that the sound bytes received because the media does not want the controversy to be over. I have friends who could not see the interview because their PBS channel did not work but their other channels did (that is not hard to believe). This country wants to condemn Pastor Wright for saying some things that were true. I may not agree with everything he said, but some were true. I am African American and the descendants of slaves that helped build this country and have yet to get an apology from the people (and you know who you are). I went to Ghana, Africa last year and that country is giving every African-American free land, which is an apology for selling us. Africa has done its part but the United States has not. This country is built on GOOD & BAD history and you will have to live with that. Fortunately, Obama does not have to be reminded of slavery because his family is White and African---I hope he can look pass the hurt that was not so long ago (just look back 40 years ago). Moreover, for you who say that we need to forget the past and move on--that is easy for you to say…. I am looking to my future by forgiving what happened in the past but I cannot forget. I would not ask the Jews or Native Americans to forget what happen to them.

Hey exposeobamadotcom,

I think you are coming to terms with yourself. Keep rationalizing through your thought process and I think you will finally come to terms with your problems. Sometimes blogging can be the best therapy. You know go back and read your own posts. That way you don't have to repost the same thing over and over. You really seem upset about CHANGE. Go Obama!

Sincerely,
BJ

Sincerely,
BJ

Now you know why Moyers is called the "Papal Nuncio" of the Hard Left. Please leave an offering in the collection plate. And don't forget to genuflect as you exit your pews.

Thanks, Bill Moyer and PBS. I am so glad I got a chance to see this interview today and the rest of the sermon. It made me realize this was a very low political attack against Senator Obama. I don't agree with all the comments in Rev. Wrights sermon. However, there were more portions of his sermon that were true than not. I have great respect for someone who can speak the truth without fear. I was surprised to see nothing racist or Anti-American about his sermons. The message I got was God Damn America if we don't change and do what is right.

Due to what I had seen previously blasted in the media about Rev. Wright, I didn't expect this, but I saw a man who is passionate about America and injustice. I saw a man wanting us as Americans to get on the right track so that we can be a better country. I believe if we all work together as a true United States of America that we can do it.

I can see why Senator Obama attended his church. I have friends I hang out with and I don't agree with everything my friends believe, we just agree to disagree. I find the media's attempt to put these snippets of his sermon out was "much ado about nothing." Or shall I say, "much ado about some American truths."

Something concerned me while reading some of the posts here. With some people, it seems as if they are treading a fine line between possessing American Patriotism and worshiping America. Now that's what I do find a little scary. I don't think God gets up every morning and bows down to America or says, "Bless you America, you are so good." God is concerned about everyone in the world not just us Americans. We are a great country, but we are not perfect. I think we have to be careful about putting Patriotism in front of God because then it becomes an idol. We can be Patriotic Americans without worshiping our country as if it is God. Further, we can still be Patriotic Americans and realize that we don't always do what is right as a country. I think not being able to speak out about it is what I would consider to be more along the lines of being Anti-American.

Eric Burton [4/25, 2:47], the American taxpayers you reference who support public television include liberal, voting Democrats and Republicans who believe in truth and the value of a quality, informed, non-biased media. Bill Moyers is the last true American journalist who is also a statesman. His faith is in God, not in the government. Moyers' mission is to "speak the truth in love" as commanded by our faith in God. You and your conservative Republican racists have placed your faith in your political identity and replaced God with a Republican label. You take comfort in your hatred of the gospel that commands love and charity and inclusion. You and others like you have made your party your god. The far-right wing conservatives, aka racists Republicans, wouldn't know truth if it bit them on the tongue. This is still America and public television is American. If you need to suck your tongue, go watch Fox Nonsense Network.

Jeremiah Wright is right. Devotees of Fox are false. Fox is faux, a fraud for fools. Go confess your sins to Hagee.

Hey exposeobamadotcom,

What seem old is your old ways. It's seem the group that you hang with is getting alot smaller. I have read your comments and what I'm talking from it is that you are a scared person. What are you scared of. I guess that you feel like some blacks felt back in the days. Hate won't get you anywhere. I know that your head is huting right now. Because you seem like you keep running into a brick wall with nowhere to go. Hate is a very ugly word and I see that you are getting a feel of why that word is what it is.

The Shepard’s Crook of Christianity

Ebola is to humans what Black Liberation Theology is to the church.

Ebola was popularized in the movie “Outbreak” and the book, “Hot Zone.” The virus is what they call a Level 4 pathogen that causes severe hemorrhaging and rapid death through the massive destruction of the liver. But, unfortunately, for those in favor of reducing the number of people on the planet, it also kills animals. The strains of the virus have eerie sounding names – Ebola Zaire, Ebola Sudan, Ebola Reston, Ebola Tai and Marburg.

Amazingly, the Ebola virus under an electron microscope looks a little like a sheep herder’s staff, hence the name, “Shepard’s Crook.” If it happens to show up in your blood, or in that of your pet monkey, there is a nine out of 10 chance of death.

Black Liberation Theology (BLT) is the Shepard’s Crook of Christianity and one of its prophets is Reverend Jeremiah Wright. Without one of his flock running for President of the United States, Wright’s message would probably not have hit front page news. But since Obama, unifying-man-for-all-seasons and candidate-for-Hope-and-Change, is running for the top job it only makes sense that all of his background examined. Ooops. Bad timing for him, Wright, and BLT.

Obama is now in triage, a political casualty of Wright’s BLT-inspired raving rants.

Glenn Beck interviewed former Ohio Secretary of State Ken Blackwell on March 20, 2008. Blackwell, a black man, said, “The proponents of liberation theology like Reverend Wright say that God commands us to form government that will supervise our economy to create government subsidized jobs under central government planning, guaranteed healthcare and education by having government control both.”

In other words, liberation theology is socialism wrapped in Christianity. BLT’s contribution to the gift is a racial ribbon and bow.

BLT consists of 12 primary points and a few sub-points. They are available for review on the Trinity United Church of Christ (Chicago) website. According to TUCC, “These Black Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered.”

Most have explanations following them and, unfortunately, the explanation sometimes makes the palatable much less, and the less than palatable much worse. An example is the first one, “Commitment to God.” Normally, I would applaud anyone urging this affirmation. But, when the explanation includes racially charged words like, “Black Christian Activists,” and “soldiers for Black freedom,” I am less inclined.

1. Commitment to God.
2. Commitment to the Black Community.
3. Commitment to the Black Family.
4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education.
5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence.
6. Adherence to the Black Work Ethic.
7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect.
8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of “Middleclassness.”
9. Pledge to Make the Fruits of All Developing and Acquired Skills Available to the Black Community.
10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions.
11. Pledge Allegiance to All Black Leadership Who Espouse and Embrace the Black Value System.
12. Personal Commitment to Embracement of the Black Value System.

A Find and Replace of “Black” for “White” illustrates how abhorrent the principals actually are – Imagine if your local AG, Presbyterian or Baptist church had a value system kicking off with Commitment to God and the White Community. Meanwhile, a Find and Delete of “Black,” with some minor grammatical edits, illustrates how noble they could be. (The exception that you can’t put a positive spin on is the disavowal of “Middleclassness,” which is a tone ringing similar to, “Revolution of the Proletariat.”)

With this as a value system, it is no wonder Wright has said the things he has, while what is to be wondered is how much Obama actually believes.

There is some good news though. Blackwell, in the same interview with Glenn Beck, also observed that Obama’s home church does not express the “dominant view” of the African-American Christian community.

For Obama it isn’t so much that he attended Wright’s church, but that he remained there for so long. He was recruited there, indoctrinated there, got married there, saw his children baptized there, has stayed there for 20 years, and apparently is planning on staying for that much longer. The disconcerting explanations for his sojourn might be that either Obama had BLT before he arrived, or that Wright’s message was the means for infection. In either case not many incubators could culture BLT better than TUCC.

There is another possibility. Senator Barack Hussein Obama, Jr., may be the one in 10 that is immune. If he ends up as President let’s hope so.

Reality of Brutal Media Bias, Framed by Axelrod

http://www.stop-obama.org/?p=261

Here’s another one. Obama claims on the View TV show that his preacher Jeremiah Wright has acknowledged that his remarks were inappropriate and hurtful.
This is utter BS. Wright has said no such thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11QmVyFR_mw&feature=related

HERE ARE SIX SUGGESTIONS FOR WHAT TO DO.

1. Your stump speech is sounding old and out of touch. You made a mistake by not giving the bored press (and voters) something new last Tuesday when you lost Pennsylvania. Come up with something fresh that's focused on the general election. Recaptur