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The Wolf That Changed America
Interview: Wolf Trainer Sausha Seus, on Filming Live Wolves

Sausha Seus is a wolf trainer with Wasatch Rocky Mountain Wildlife, an animal training service based in Heber City, Utah best known for its star ursine thespian: Bart the Bear. Sausha handled the wolves that played Lobo and Blanca in NATURE’s The Wolf That Changed America. She has been working with wolves for 17 years. Wild wolves can be dangerous, and the wolves Sausha works with are trained, so — as always when it comes to wild animals — don’t try this at home. Here, Sausha speaks about wolf training and what it was like working with wolves on The Wolf That Changed America.

Q: How did you become interested in wolves?

A: I became interested in wolves because my parents own Wasatch Rocky Mountain Wildlife. WRMW trains and tames wild animals for the film industry. My parents, Doug and Lynne Seus, introduced me to the wild kingdom at the age of three. I was part of a wolf pack by the time I was five. My passion for animals – wolves, in particular – has been heightened by being able to work with them on a daily basis.

What was it like the first time you came face to face with a wolf?

The first time I came face to face with a wolf I was five. It felt like looking into another universe. The same is true today, 26 years later. The eyes of a wolf pierce your soul.

Introduce us to the wolves that played Lobo and his mate.

There were actually two wolves that played Lobo and two wolves that played Blanca. The main wolf that played Blanca was Cree. The double wolf for Blanca was Spirit. Both Cree and Spirit came from Seacrest Wolf Preserve, a well-respected educational facility. Cree is the peacemaker of the pack; he is serene and sweet. Spirit is the wolf in our pack that initiates play. Spirit is a happy go lucky wolf.

The main wolf that played Lobo was Coda. The double wolf for Lobo was Coda’s brother, Yukon. Coda and Yukon both came from Bear Country (an animal preserve in South Dakota). Coda is somewhat of a trickster wolf and will try to get away with things like pretending he isn’t listening. Yukon is an aloof wolf. He is very self-actuated.

Off set, the wolves exercise, eat, and play. They get to run in the Rockies by pristine mountain lakes and rivers. They get to go swimming in the backyard pond and dive for cookies.

When dealing with wolves, how do you gain their trust?

The wolves have been part of the family since they were tiny puppies. They have never been treated unfairly or unjustly. Frankly, they are loved as members of our family.

How do you communicate with wolves? What training methods do you use?

Communication with wolves is verbal and non verbal. Wolves are masters of body language and respond to it immediately. We use the positive reward method of training. The wolves are never forced to do anything. Wolves love to learn and revel in praise, reward and affection. Ear scratches or belly scratches are the best! Wolves souls are wild and free. You can only ask, you can never tell a wolf to do anything; they do it because they want to.

What was a typical day of shooting The Wolf That Changed America like?

The typical day of shooting began at 4:00 a.m. The trainers would arrive at Wasatch Rocky Mountain Wildlife and load the wolves in their cozy trailer. It was always before dawn and sometimes the wolves would look at us like, “Are you serious? We’re getting up this early again?” By call time (5:30 a.m.), the wolves were excited and ready to work.

Usually, we would shoot from 5:30 to 12:00 noon. We would let the wolves rest in the middle of the day and begin shooting around 4 p.m. until the sun went down. The days were long but the people involved made up for the lack of sleep!

How did the wolves react to the camera and crew?

The most positive aspect of this shoot was the fact that it was so small! We had a cameraman, a director, a production assistant, and the wolf trainers. A couple of days we had a soundman. This made up a crew of six or seven which worked so wonderfully for the wolves. The wolves were able to know everyone and were very comfortable performing.

Describe some difficult or frustrating moments you had on the shoot with the wolves.

The most difficult time on the shoot was a night shoot. The temperature dropped below 0 degrees Fahrenheit and most of us were not prepared for the weather to turn that quickly!

Have you ever been frightened by one of your wolves?

No.

What are some of your favorite memories of handling wolves throughout your career?

Some of my favorite memories are, of course, wolf puppies. There is nothing more precious than a baby wolf howl. 

What can humans learn from wolves?

The sense of utter and complete devotion to family. An alpha male wolf will hunt and bring back food in this “belly basket” and regurgitate it for his mate and pups. The alpha male will starve himself in the process if necessary. The bond of a wolf is about loyalty, and it is unbreakable.

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#1

I raised wovles also they are very mysjetic creatures and yes they pierce your soul witht there eyes, there just beautiful creatures at one time i had a pack of 8, now i no longer have no more they have all gone to Heaven now, and i sure do miss them very much when the howled you heard something very beautiful , but i never dreamed i would be without them now. There are very family oriented too. thank you donna

#2

I grew up in Kane, PA, which was home to the “Lobo Wolves”. (Canis Lupus Nubilus). The Lobo Wolves derived their name from a word in the Blackfoot Indian language meaning “Buffalo Wolf”, which, when spoken aloud, sounded like the word “lobo”.
Dr. Edward H. McCleery, a Kane physician, had a preserve of Lobo wolves and were kept on his wolf farm on the outskirts of Kane for over nearly 40 years. The Lobo wolves were literally on the edge of extinction. Dr. McCleery, who managed his wolves with devotion and affection, owned and operated the wolf farm until just before his death on May 23, 1962 at the age of 94. We visited the wolves often, and I was in love with them. As a child, I didn’t understand why I couldn’t have one. Our High School mascot was one of the wolves, but I forget his name. He was beautiful!!
Where are they now?? No one knows for certain. It is reported the remnants of McCleery’s wolf pack was sent to Bateman, Montana to a survivalist camp. Rumor has it that there are over 200 wolves located there, all descendants of the Kane Lobo wolves, but such numbers cannot be substantiated – and the members of the Montana refuge aren’t divulging any information.
We, of Kane, PA, were very proud of ‘our’ wolves, and still are. Dr. McCleery was a true hero for the conservation of such a beautiful species.

#3

Thanks for the info on the Buffalo wolf.
However, the lobo wolf in this documentary refers to the Mexican wolf, Canis lupus baileyi. http://tinyurl.com/6mf2ht

This is a must read classic.
Wild Animals I Have Known by Ernest Thompson Seton

LOBO THE KING OF CURRUMPAW
Read here http://tinyurl.com/573lym

#4

I enjoyed the movie “The Wolf That Changed America” on tBt television show.. and alos cried when Lobo mate was killed, and after being traped he died with a broken heart.

However the man (forgot his name) who looked right into Lobo’s eyes, realized what he had done was actually wrong, and had decided to educate peoples views on the Wolf and thier importance to our enviorments.

I always am heart broken for all animals that are killed becasue of the ignorance of man.. I am gulity of this curiosity of having a wolf, I purchased a half breed (50% Timber wolf & 50% Malamute) , and unfortunatly he died looking down at the end of a gun barrel, and it was my fault becasue no man really will be able to domesticate any dog with the wild… it is such a stupid thing I did, and everytime I see my male siberian, Nanuk, he is mistaken of being a wolf, I tell people he is not, and than I tell them the stupid thing I did,and thinking “how cool” I would be to own a wolf!

I am so so sorry my Timmie” my Timber wolf!

#5

I was torn by the story about Lobo and his death in 1946. I had a wolf, Tika, and when my husband passed away, at home, alone. I was on the phone with him when he passed. My husband was only 52, heart attack, and when the paramedics came in the home, our wolf was running in and out of the house, leaping over my husband and never did bite anyone. Someone had shut the door on Tika and he body slammed the door, till I got home. Our wolf, Tika had the same sad howl, he howled for three days. They are a wonderful animal. Tika passed this last January at the age of 13. We were blessed to have him as our brother wolf.

#6

I have always loved wolves, ever since I was a little kid. I think it would be cool to own a wolf or to raise wolves but that will probably never happen — only in my dreams. I think that they are amazing creatures.

#7

How did they get pictures of the dead wolves? I’m assuming they didn’t kill their trained animals.

#8

I have always loved wolves..I missed the 1st part of the PBS special last nite,so looked up this site. My love began w/ German Shepherds which are very wolf-like. My Shepherd was black and beautiful, but taken away from me and killed by an evil man, 30 yrs. ago. I have never fogotten nor forgived losing my beauty whose name was Tonya. My daughter adpoted another and named her Tonya as well..we know her doggie days are dwindling and soon she will join her name sake in doggie Heaven. PBS is the greatest and most informative to watch. Will you be repeating “The wolf who changed America?” I surely hope so.. A wolf lover…

#9

I grew up in New Mexico and as a child read Seton’s stories over and over. Probably got my wolf love from him. However–I never have known exactly where in New Mexico he worked! I believe it was N.E. New Mexico, however I have looked on maps and never found a “Currumpaw” River. Regretably, NE New Mexico is one part of the state I have not explored. If anyone knows where the Currumpaw River is or if there is one, I’d be interested to know. Wonderful documentary–I didn’t know that Seton was so instrumental with conservation movement and the boy scouts. Or that he moved back to New Mexico!

#10

Currumpaw is actually a fictional name given to the Cross L ranch in the short story by Earnest Thompson Seton called King of the Currumpaw in his book Wild Animals I have known. (See reply #3)

http://nenewmexico.com/tours.php?p=2

#11

Someone mentioned that Lobo and Blanca were Mexican wolves. Probably not. A Mexican wolf is never white. Yes, Mexican wolves were in New Mexico at the time of Seton but there were probably other wolves too from further north that traveled south. Just recently a dark colored canid, looked like a wolf, was spotted on a ranch in NE New Mexico and it was not a Mexican wolf. It is thought that it had traveled south to this New Mexico area. Wolves do travel many miles in search of new territories. Viva el lobo.

#12

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/7/stop-killing-our-wolves-in-alaska-and-the-usa

I would love to meet Bart’s family one day. The Seus family……Great Spirit love them!

#13

Nancy Bain wrote:

Someone mentioned that Lobo and Blanca were Mexican wolves. Probably not.

****In 1920, as the acting assistant district forester for the Forest Service’s Southwest region, Aldo Leopold proudly stated that the “New Mexican wolf population had been reduced from three hundred to thirty in just three years” (McIntyre 1995, pg. 189). His anti-predator efforts lead to the solidification of the alliance between southwest hunters, ranchers and the government. The same year, J. Stokley Ligon called for an international border patrol of trappers and hunters to deal with the “illegal alien” wolves dispersing from Mexico (McIntyre 1995, pg. 184). Even as Mexican wolf numbers continued to plummet, the federal government hired professional wolfers to hunt down the most elusive wolves. Here rose the legends of “Lobo, King of the Currumpaw” and his mate Blanca (McIntyre 1995, pg. 218)…****

JSTOR: Famous North American Wolves and the Credibility of Early Wildlife Literature

His account of the New Mexican wolves, Lobo and Blanca, was popu- lar …. such as Seton’s (1898) account of Blanca (mate of Lobo, King of Currumpaw) and a …
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2007-31,GGLG:en&q=Lobo,+King+of+the+Currumpaw+mexican&start=20&sa=N

I wish I were able to read the entire study. But with what I read at the 1st link, I have a strong suspicion that “Currumpaw” isn’t the only fictional part of the story.

This was Mexican wolf territory and the odds of two non-mexican wolves establishing their own pack is not believable. Neither Lobo or Blanca were originally drawn to what Mexican wolves look like.
http://www.mainlesson.com/books/seton/wild/zpage042.gif

I believe Seton just wanted some extra flavor for his best seller book.

Apparantly

#14

My topo map set shows a Currumpaw creek that is just north of Clayton NM. The creek appears to drain the region NW of Clayton and south of the Cimarron river.

#15

Do only male wolves have belly baskets?

#16

Love the “Sawtooth Pack”……….been advocating for wolves over 2 decades. yOu all rock for HelPing stop the wolf slauGhter……..keep passing on the word. check out my myspace page tanyaisa

#17

I have dealt with wolves on a daily basis for 23 years. I live in the mountains in northern Nevada and I presently live with 15 of them. Like Seton, Smith, & Seus, I know first hand the social, ecological, and physcial value of wolves. Our hatred for wolves today is based on conditions and fabrications of the past. It is verifiable fact that their presence in the wild has had sigificant benefits beyond what anyone first thought when reintroduction of them was first considered. Wolves are an essential peice of Mother Nature’s complicated puzzle, and are to be recognized for their contribution to it. Without all the parts of nature in play, ecological imbalances naturally occur. With the vast number of ecological imbalances of today, we are undermining the environment in which we live, and jeopardizing our future on this earth.
From a social standpoint, wolves can teach us the ethics, values, and behaviors that will enable humans to be a far more positive contributor to nature than we are today. Wolves are the earth’s greatest teachers! Will we let ourselves learn from them???

#18

It was interesting to read the comments by ms. dore on the McCleery wolves as I am currently managing them. The details of their history will be on their new web site soon. McCleerywolffoundation.org If you have questions contact me at McCleerywolf@gmail.com

#19

I feel fortunate to have found this site. I admire all of the selfless work you do to preserve the wolves, their natural habitat, and their history. I too am interested in the Kane Lobo Wolves and Dr. McCleery who single-handedly saved this subspecis from extinction. He was a visionary and felt that if given kind treatment, wolves could be a friend to man.

#20

i remember going to kane pa. to see the wolves in the 1960’s, i rember going into someone’trailer and seeing a bobcat sitting on a tv , those wolves were great, i would sure like to see some lobes again

#21

I love how you don’t fear the wolf as a ton of other people do. I admire your job and would love to work with wolves myself.

#22

Very interesting. I remember my first wolf puppies. Their souls lay in Heaven now though.

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