By — Mike Stobbe, Associated Press Mike Stobbe, Associated Press By — Laura Ungar, Associated Press Laura Ungar, Associated Press Leave your feedback Share Copy URL https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/watch-live-rfk-jr-s-hand-picked-vaccine-panel-meets-to-consider-covid-shots-and-more Email Facebook Twitter LinkedIn Pinterest Tumblr Share on Facebook Share on Twitter WATCH: RFK Jr.’s hand-picked vaccine panel recommends new restrictions on MMRV vaccines Health Updated on Sep 18, 2025 6:38 PM EDT — Published on Sep 17, 2025 12:26 PM EDT ATLANTA (AP) — U.S. Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s hand-picked vaccine advisory committee on Thursday recommended the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention adopt new restrictions on a combination shot that protects against chickenpox as well as measles, mumps and rubella. Watch the meeting of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices in our video player above. The panel advised that the vaccine known as MMRV not be given before age 4 and that children in this age group instead get separate vaccines — one against MMR and another for varicella, or chickenpox. The vote was 8-3, with one member abstaining. The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices put off an expected vote on hepatitis B shots given to infants on the day they are born. On Friday — when it also takes up COVID-19 shots — it’s expected to decide whether to recommend that some babies can wait a month for those shots. WATCH: Ousted CDC head Monarez testifies on agency upheaval under RFK Jr. The committee makes recommendations to the CDC director on how already-approved vaccines should be used. CDC directors have almost always accepted those recommendations, which are widely heeded by doctors and guide vaccination programs. Grow your mind Subscribe to our Science Newsletter to explore the wide worlds of science, health and technology. Enter your email address Subscribe Form error message goes here. Thank you. Please check your inbox to confirm. Public health experts worry the votes will raise unwarranted concerns among parents. Kennedy, a leading antivaccine activist before becoming the nation’s top health official, has made or proposed numerous changes to the nation’s vaccine system, including firing the entire 17-member panel earlier this year and replacing it with a group that includes several anti-vaccine voices. Experts are also concerned the panel’s actions could narrow access to the vaccines. The group voted 8-1, with three abstentions, to keep MMRV covered for kids as young as 12 months under the Vaccines for Children program, which pays for about half the shots given to kids in the U.S. Several committee members expressed confusion during that follow-up vote on whether to align payments under the program with the more restrictive vaccine guidance they had just passed. Another federal official noted that there are other government insurance programs, including Medicaid, that will need to stop paying for that early combo dose. Panelists focus on rare seizures Discussions on the MMRV vaccine focused largely on rare instances of feverish seizures associated with the first dose that is currently given to kids between ages 1 and 2. Committee member Dr. Cody Meissner said such seizures may be “a very frightening experience” for families, but medical experts agree they’re not linked to brain function or school problems. The panel last dealt with the issue in 2009, when it said either the combination shot or separate MMR and varicella shots were acceptable for the first dose, but that separate doses were generally preferred. Today, 85% of kids receive separate doses for the first round, according to information presented at the meeting. READ MORE: RFK Jr. wants all new vaccines tested against a placebo. Doctors say that isn’t good science Some doctors and public health experts say they are not aware of any new safety data that would explain the revisiting of those vaccination recommendations — and, in fact, many of the studies discussed Thursday were more than a decade old. Dr. Richard Haupt, a vice president at Merck, which makes the MMRV vaccine ProQuad, said it’s been evaluated through clinical trials and post-approval studies, and the slight increase in feverish seizures after the first dose led to current CDC recommendations. Combination vaccines improve completion and on-time vaccination at a time when the nation is seeing a troubling decline in vaccination coverage, he said. “Considering these trends, any policy decision that compromises the clarity or consistency of vaccination guidance … has the potential to further diminish public confidence,” he told the committee. Dr. Mysheika Roberts, health department director in Columbus, Ohio, said one of the benefits of the combined vaccine is it limits the number of shots a child gets, which is useful in certain populations of patients, such as newly arrived immigrants who need lots of vaccines at the same time. But she also acknowledged concerns about feverish seizures among children under age 4 and said, “maybe the guidance needs to be tweaked a little bit on that.” Vaccine panel also discussed hepatitis B shot As many as 2.4 million people in U.S. are estimated to have hepatitis B, which can cause serious liver infections, and half are unaware of infection, a CDC presenter told the panel. WATCH: In tense hearing, RFK Jr. challenged on vaccine views and trust in health agencies In adults, the virus is spread through sex or through sharing needles during use injection-drug use. But it can also be passed to a baby from an infected mother, and as many as 90% of infected infants go on to have chronic infections. The virus can also live on surfaces for more then seven days at room temperature, and unvaccinated children living with anyone with a chronic infection is at risk of infection. A hepatitis B vaccine was first licensed in the U.S. in 1981. In 2005, the ACIP recommended a dose within 24 hours of birth for all medically stable infants who weigh at least 4.4 pounds (2 kilograms). Infant vaccinations are stressed for women who have hepatitis B or those who have not been tested for it. The infant shots are 85% to 95% effective in preventing chronic hepatitis B infections, studies have shown. WATCH: Examining RFK Jr.’s claims about vaccines, COVID and the health of Americans Following the 2005 recommendation, hepatitis B cases among infants fell from 5,494 cases per year in 2005 to 2,214 cases in 2023. During Thursday’s discussion, some committee members questioned whether babies born to moms who test positive for hepatitis B are the only ones who truly need a vaccine in the first day of life. By giving virtually all babies the hepatitis B right after birth, “Are we asking our babies to solve an adult problem?” asked committee member Dr. Evelyn Griffin. But Meissner expressed bewilderment at some of this discussion. “This an absolutely safe vaccine,” he said. “I’m not sure what we’re gaining by avoiding that first dose within 12 to 24 hours after birth.” He later added: “We will be creating new doubts in the mind of the public that are not justified.” Some who spoke during the public comment portion of the meeting said they don’t see the need for a change. “Why? Why are we addressing this hepatitis B vaccine recommendation?” said Dr. Flor Munoz-Rivas, of the Infectious Diseases Society of America. “Is there really a reason that the committee can provide for making a change?” Committee member Dr. Robert Malone responded to that question. “The signal that is prompting this is not one of safety. It’s one of trust,” he said. “And it’s one of parents uncomfortable with this medical procedure being performed at birth in a rather unilateral fashion without significant informed consent.” Committee chair defends its work In his opening remarks, committee Chairman Martin Kulldorff defended the group against critics who say it leans toward anti-vaccine views. “The members of this ACIP Committee are committed to reassuring the public and restoring public confidence by removing unnecessary risks and harms whenever possible. That is a pro-vaccine agenda,” Kulldorff said. WATCH: RFK Jr. ‘taking away vaccines’ from people who want them, Warren says But within a few years, studies showed children who got the combo shot more often developed a rash, fever and — in rare instances — seizures after vaccination compared with children who got separate shots. In 2009, the ACIP changed its recommendation, removing the preferential language and saying either the combination shot or separate shots were acceptable for the first dose. Today, most pediatricians suggest separate doses for the first shot, but give the combined shot for the second dose, pediatrics experts say. WATCH: Trump’s former surgeon general raises concerns about vaccine panel overhauled by RFK Jr. He later added: “We welcome scientific critique of any of our votes, as there are gray areas due to incomplete scientific knowledge.” The committee is scheduled to make COVID-19 vaccine recommendations on Friday. The AAP and some others groups have issued their own vaccination recommendations, which disagree with recommendations put out by federal officials this year. In recent weeks, several states have announced policies to help residents maintain access to vaccines, in some cases signing orders that ensure COVID-19 vaccinations at pharmacies without individual prescriptions. Wisconsin this week joined a list of more than a dozen to take steps, when Gov. Tony Evers signed an executive order for state health officials to follow the guidance of national physician organizations. HHS announces new committee members Meanwhile, HHS officials on Monday announced five new committee members — bringing the roster to 12. The new members are: Hillary Blackburn, a pharmacist and podcaster who HHS officials said is director of medication access and affordability for AscensionRx. Dr. Evelyn Griffin, an obstetrician and gynecologist based in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Dr. Kirk Milhoan, a pediatric cardiologist who with his wife operates a medical missionary organization called For Hearts and Souls. He appeared at a 2024 congressional hearing at which he said an increase in cardiovascular disease in older teens and young adults should be attributed to vaccines. Dr. Raymond Pollak, a transplant specialist based in Skokie, Illinois. Catherine Stein, a Case Western Reserve University disease researcher. During the COVID-19 pandemic, she worked with an Ohio anti-vaccine group and argued that case counts were inaccurate and that the coronavirus was not as dangerous as health officials portrayed. Ungar reported from Louisville, Kentucky. A free press is a cornerstone of a healthy democracy. Support trusted journalism and civil dialogue. Donate now By — Mike Stobbe, Associated Press Mike Stobbe, Associated Press By — Laura Ungar, Associated Press Laura Ungar, Associated Press
ATLANTA (AP) — U.S. Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s hand-picked vaccine advisory committee on Thursday recommended the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention adopt new restrictions on a combination shot that protects against chickenpox as well as measles, mumps and rubella. Watch the meeting of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices in our video player above. The panel advised that the vaccine known as MMRV not be given before age 4 and that children in this age group instead get separate vaccines — one against MMR and another for varicella, or chickenpox. The vote was 8-3, with one member abstaining. The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices put off an expected vote on hepatitis B shots given to infants on the day they are born. On Friday — when it also takes up COVID-19 shots — it’s expected to decide whether to recommend that some babies can wait a month for those shots. WATCH: Ousted CDC head Monarez testifies on agency upheaval under RFK Jr. The committee makes recommendations to the CDC director on how already-approved vaccines should be used. CDC directors have almost always accepted those recommendations, which are widely heeded by doctors and guide vaccination programs. Grow your mind Subscribe to our Science Newsletter to explore the wide worlds of science, health and technology. Enter your email address Subscribe Form error message goes here. Thank you. Please check your inbox to confirm. Public health experts worry the votes will raise unwarranted concerns among parents. Kennedy, a leading antivaccine activist before becoming the nation’s top health official, has made or proposed numerous changes to the nation’s vaccine system, including firing the entire 17-member panel earlier this year and replacing it with a group that includes several anti-vaccine voices. Experts are also concerned the panel’s actions could narrow access to the vaccines. The group voted 8-1, with three abstentions, to keep MMRV covered for kids as young as 12 months under the Vaccines for Children program, which pays for about half the shots given to kids in the U.S. Several committee members expressed confusion during that follow-up vote on whether to align payments under the program with the more restrictive vaccine guidance they had just passed. Another federal official noted that there are other government insurance programs, including Medicaid, that will need to stop paying for that early combo dose. Panelists focus on rare seizures Discussions on the MMRV vaccine focused largely on rare instances of feverish seizures associated with the first dose that is currently given to kids between ages 1 and 2. Committee member Dr. Cody Meissner said such seizures may be “a very frightening experience” for families, but medical experts agree they’re not linked to brain function or school problems. The panel last dealt with the issue in 2009, when it said either the combination shot or separate MMR and varicella shots were acceptable for the first dose, but that separate doses were generally preferred. Today, 85% of kids receive separate doses for the first round, according to information presented at the meeting. READ MORE: RFK Jr. wants all new vaccines tested against a placebo. Doctors say that isn’t good science Some doctors and public health experts say they are not aware of any new safety data that would explain the revisiting of those vaccination recommendations — and, in fact, many of the studies discussed Thursday were more than a decade old. Dr. Richard Haupt, a vice president at Merck, which makes the MMRV vaccine ProQuad, said it’s been evaluated through clinical trials and post-approval studies, and the slight increase in feverish seizures after the first dose led to current CDC recommendations. Combination vaccines improve completion and on-time vaccination at a time when the nation is seeing a troubling decline in vaccination coverage, he said. “Considering these trends, any policy decision that compromises the clarity or consistency of vaccination guidance … has the potential to further diminish public confidence,” he told the committee. Dr. Mysheika Roberts, health department director in Columbus, Ohio, said one of the benefits of the combined vaccine is it limits the number of shots a child gets, which is useful in certain populations of patients, such as newly arrived immigrants who need lots of vaccines at the same time. But she also acknowledged concerns about feverish seizures among children under age 4 and said, “maybe the guidance needs to be tweaked a little bit on that.” Vaccine panel also discussed hepatitis B shot As many as 2.4 million people in U.S. are estimated to have hepatitis B, which can cause serious liver infections, and half are unaware of infection, a CDC presenter told the panel. WATCH: In tense hearing, RFK Jr. challenged on vaccine views and trust in health agencies In adults, the virus is spread through sex or through sharing needles during use injection-drug use. But it can also be passed to a baby from an infected mother, and as many as 90% of infected infants go on to have chronic infections. The virus can also live on surfaces for more then seven days at room temperature, and unvaccinated children living with anyone with a chronic infection is at risk of infection. A hepatitis B vaccine was first licensed in the U.S. in 1981. In 2005, the ACIP recommended a dose within 24 hours of birth for all medically stable infants who weigh at least 4.4 pounds (2 kilograms). Infant vaccinations are stressed for women who have hepatitis B or those who have not been tested for it. The infant shots are 85% to 95% effective in preventing chronic hepatitis B infections, studies have shown. WATCH: Examining RFK Jr.’s claims about vaccines, COVID and the health of Americans Following the 2005 recommendation, hepatitis B cases among infants fell from 5,494 cases per year in 2005 to 2,214 cases in 2023. During Thursday’s discussion, some committee members questioned whether babies born to moms who test positive for hepatitis B are the only ones who truly need a vaccine in the first day of life. By giving virtually all babies the hepatitis B right after birth, “Are we asking our babies to solve an adult problem?” asked committee member Dr. Evelyn Griffin. But Meissner expressed bewilderment at some of this discussion. “This an absolutely safe vaccine,” he said. “I’m not sure what we’re gaining by avoiding that first dose within 12 to 24 hours after birth.” He later added: “We will be creating new doubts in the mind of the public that are not justified.” Some who spoke during the public comment portion of the meeting said they don’t see the need for a change. “Why? Why are we addressing this hepatitis B vaccine recommendation?” said Dr. Flor Munoz-Rivas, of the Infectious Diseases Society of America. “Is there really a reason that the committee can provide for making a change?” Committee member Dr. Robert Malone responded to that question. “The signal that is prompting this is not one of safety. It’s one of trust,” he said. “And it’s one of parents uncomfortable with this medical procedure being performed at birth in a rather unilateral fashion without significant informed consent.” Committee chair defends its work In his opening remarks, committee Chairman Martin Kulldorff defended the group against critics who say it leans toward anti-vaccine views. “The members of this ACIP Committee are committed to reassuring the public and restoring public confidence by removing unnecessary risks and harms whenever possible. That is a pro-vaccine agenda,” Kulldorff said. WATCH: RFK Jr. ‘taking away vaccines’ from people who want them, Warren says But within a few years, studies showed children who got the combo shot more often developed a rash, fever and — in rare instances — seizures after vaccination compared with children who got separate shots. In 2009, the ACIP changed its recommendation, removing the preferential language and saying either the combination shot or separate shots were acceptable for the first dose. Today, most pediatricians suggest separate doses for the first shot, but give the combined shot for the second dose, pediatrics experts say. WATCH: Trump’s former surgeon general raises concerns about vaccine panel overhauled by RFK Jr. He later added: “We welcome scientific critique of any of our votes, as there are gray areas due to incomplete scientific knowledge.” The committee is scheduled to make COVID-19 vaccine recommendations on Friday. The AAP and some others groups have issued their own vaccination recommendations, which disagree with recommendations put out by federal officials this year. In recent weeks, several states have announced policies to help residents maintain access to vaccines, in some cases signing orders that ensure COVID-19 vaccinations at pharmacies without individual prescriptions. Wisconsin this week joined a list of more than a dozen to take steps, when Gov. Tony Evers signed an executive order for state health officials to follow the guidance of national physician organizations. HHS announces new committee members Meanwhile, HHS officials on Monday announced five new committee members — bringing the roster to 12. The new members are: Hillary Blackburn, a pharmacist and podcaster who HHS officials said is director of medication access and affordability for AscensionRx. Dr. Evelyn Griffin, an obstetrician and gynecologist based in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Dr. Kirk Milhoan, a pediatric cardiologist who with his wife operates a medical missionary organization called For Hearts and Souls. He appeared at a 2024 congressional hearing at which he said an increase in cardiovascular disease in older teens and young adults should be attributed to vaccines. Dr. Raymond Pollak, a transplant specialist based in Skokie, Illinois. Catherine Stein, a Case Western Reserve University disease researcher. During the COVID-19 pandemic, she worked with an Ohio anti-vaccine group and argued that case counts were inaccurate and that the coronavirus was not as dangerous as health officials portrayed. Ungar reported from Louisville, Kentucky. A free press is a cornerstone of a healthy democracy. Support trusted journalism and civil dialogue. Donate now