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Last month, a Mississippi judge ordered the state’s public schools to desegregate, illuminating the ongoing struggle to comply with the Supreme Court’s 1954 Brown v. Board of Education ruling. Special correspondent Charlayne Hunter-Gault talks to Maureen Costello of the Southern Poverty Law Center for insight into how Southern schools can move race relations forward.
The Justice Department recently hailed a federal court ruling affirming plans to desegregate schools in Cleveland, Mississippi. Desegregation, the court ruled, allows students to learn, play and thrive together.
As part of her year-long look at solutions to racism, special correspondent Charlayne Hunter-Gault talks with a teacher on how to successfully teach in integrated settings.
The percentage of black and Latino students in what's being called apartheid schools is on the increase, and yet most schools seem ill-prepared to help those students be the best they can be, while reducing prejudice and teaching them to learn to live with each other.
But Maureen Costello of the Southern Poverty Law Center says there are ways to achieve all three.
Maureen Costello, thank you for joining us.
MAUREEN COSTELLO, Southern Poverty Law Center:
The Southern Poverty Law Center has a curriculum that looks at teaching tolerance in schools. What caused that to happen?
Well, before we started this program, we were fighting hate crimes, basically.
Morris Dees, our founder, was bringing civil suits against groups like the Klan, and often the young men who had committed some terrible acts against others were motivated by terrible, terrible hatred and just complete misunderstanding of what other people were like.
It was mostly race at that point.
It was usually race, although, sometimes, it was also ethnicity.
But he was seeing 19- and 20-year-old perpetrators who were going to spend the rest of their lives in prison. And he said, you know, we have to do something to stop this before it starts. And he said, we need a school program.
And that really was the beginning of teaching tolerance. Let's find the best research we can find about how we can reduce prejudice starting at early ages, and let's get it out there to teachers.
One of the issues in American education is that 80 percent of our teachers are white women.
In the whole country?
Yes. And I'm not saying white women can't teach, because I am a white woman, and I did teach for a very, very long time.
But they bring in all of their own expectations and beliefs into class. And teachers have to kind of constantly examine those and say, wait a minute, am I making some judgments here that I shouldn't be making?
How do you then deal with such an equation?
American classrooms are diverse as a whole, but, in fact, when you get down to individual classrooms and individual schools, we see a lot of the diversity fade away.
So, we have schools today that are more segregated than they have been in the last 25 years were.
This is even in public schools?
Absolutely, absolutely. There's real disparities.
So how do you get a handle on that?
Every teacher's job and the job of school is to help students develop the skills that they need to thrive in a diverse society.
Lots of people think it's a natural thing. We're all born open-minded, and then we learn to become bigots. And the fact is, that's not necessarily true. You have to actually develop skills to cross boundaries. And we look at it three ways. We say, OK, first of all, we want to reduce prejudice, which means dismantle stereotypes as much as possible.
How do you do that?
You challenge them. You get kids to explore stereotypes about their own group. And once they recognize that the stereotypes of their group are not really real, you ask them to look at other stereotypes in other groups.
A stereotype is simply a box. It's a very convenient one. It helps us categorize people. We're natural categorizers. But real people don't all fit in the box. And so what we have to do is help students understand that there is no single story.
What do you do to break through some of these problems?
We provide resources for teachers.
And one of the main resources is a curriculum. So, we have a curriculum called Perspectives for a Diverse America. And at its heart are a series of texts that we have chosen because they're either windows or mirrors.
Windows. Windows are how I can look outside and I can see experiences and lives that are different than mine. And that's something we have always said is important in education, is to learn about other people and how other people live.
Mirrors are where I can see myself reflected in the books that I'm reading. And, of course, that's important too, and it's particularly important for a child of color, for a child who perhaps has immigrant parents, for children living in poverty, to recognize that they're not on the outside, that they can be the heroes of their own story, too.
So where do they get those books and that material?
We have it in our Web site, Perspectives for a Diverse America. Many of them are from published works. And we have chosen them because they help teachers explore the issues — the areas of identity, diversity, justice, and action, which we consider to be really the key parts of teaching tolerance.
Do you find that teachers around the country want this kind of information, and how are they responding?
The feedback we're getting is, we need this. Thank goodness you have it. And we need to incorporate it into our everyday lessons.
And how are you disseminating this?
We have it available for free on the Web site. We have a social media page on Facebook. We have a Twitter channel. And we send newsletters to teachers. So we have this kind of virtual community of about half-a-million teachers.
How important is taking these issues on in school?
I think it's incredibly important.
First of all, schools are one of the few institutions we have left that, in some ways, we all share. It's one of those few common institutions. Every child goes to school. And they go home and they have conversations with their parents.
But the more important thing is that, you know, let's remember the original purpose of schools. It had a civic mission. Schools are supposed to take young people and not just equip them for jobs and not just equip them to make money, but to equip them to be citizens who can analyze issues, take action, take informed action, and stand up for each other, and stand up for the ideals that we believe in.
And so we think that this is something that belongs in school, belongs in every school.
Well, Maureen Costello, thank you for joining us.
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