By — Nick Schifrin Nick Schifrin By — Dan Sagalyn Dan Sagalyn Leave your feedback Share Copy URL https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/south-africa-accuses-israel-of-genocide-against-palestinians-at-top-international-court Email Facebook Twitter LinkedIn Pinterest Tumblr Share on Facebook Share on Twitter Transcript Audio The International Court of Justice in The Hague heard arguments from South Africa accusing Israel of committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza. It's a rare case and could drag on for years. But as Nick Schifrin reports, South Africa is requesting a preliminary ruling, which could have far-ranging implications for Israel and the United States. Read the Full Transcript Notice: Transcripts are machine and human generated and lightly edited for accuracy. They may contain errors. Amna Nawaz: The International Court of Justice in The Hague heard arguments from South Africa today accusing Israel of committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza.It's a rare case and could drag on for years.But, as Nick Schifrin reports, South Africa is requesting a preliminary ruling, which could have far-ranging implications for Israel and the United States. Nick Schifrin: In the depths of Gaza's despair, South Africa accuses Israel of what's been called the crime of crimes. Adila Hassim, South African Lawyer: The actions show a systematic pattern of conduct from which genocide can be inferred. Nick Schifrin: Today, South Africa asked the International Court of Justice to compel Israel to stop the war and what it called decades of discrimination.Vusimuzi Madonsela, South African Ambassador to the Netherlands: The application places Israel's genocidal acts and omissions within the broader context of Israel's 75-year apartheid. Woman: The Draft Convention on Genocide is being presented to the General Assembly today. Nick Schifrin: It was 75 years ago last month that the U.N. adopted the Genocide Convention, the first human rights treaty. It was born out of the Nazis' Final Solution, a campaign of systemic murder that helped lead to the birth of the state of Israel.The convention defines genocide as "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group," and cites as examples killing, injuring, inflicting conditions calculated to bring about physical destruction, preventing births, or transferring children. Tembeka Ngcukaitobi, South African Lawyer: Israel has a genocidal intent against the Palestinians in Gaza. That is evident from the way in which Israel's military attack is being conducted, the mass displacement of the population of Gaza herded into areas where they continue to be killed, and the deliberate creation of conditions that could lead to a slow death. Nick Schifrin: South Africa also accuses Israel of declaring its own genocidal intent. Isaac Herzog, Israeli President: This rhetoric about civilians not aware, not involved, it's absolutely not true. And we will fight until we break their backbone. Yoav Gallant, Israeli Defense Minister (through translator): We are ordering a complete siege on Gaza, no electricity, no food, no water, no fuel. Everything is closed. We are fighting human animals, and we are acting accordingly. Isaac Herzog: There is nothing more atrocious and preposterous than this claim. Nick Schifrin: Israel dismisses the lawsuit as a blood libel. Israel argues it's Hamas that started the current round of violence on October the 7th, and it's Hamas charter that vows to — quote — "obliterate Israel" on behalf of Islam. Benjamin Netanyahu, Israeli Prime Minister (through translator): The state of Israel is accused of genocide at a time when it is fighting genocide. A terrorist organization carried out the worst crime against the Jewish people since the Holocaust, and now someone comes to defend it in the name of the Holocaust. What brazen gall. The world is upside down. Nick Schifrin: This week, Secretary of State Antony Blinken backed Israel's case.Antony Blinken, U.S. Secretary of State: The charge of genocide is meritless. Oona Hathaway, Yale Law School: Every state that's party to the Genocide Convention has the duty and the obligation and the right to raise concerns when they think that that convention is being violated. Nick Schifrin: Oona Hathaway is professor of international law at Yale Law School. She says the court only has to rule South Africa has shown reasonable probability of genocide to impose orders on Israel that could affect the U.S. Oona Hathaway: The U.S., as a member of the Genocide Convention itself, its own legal obligations will kick in, and it is prohibited from aiding and assisting in genocide. But it's also actually positively obligated to act to prevent genocide.And so this is going to make continuing military support, certainly for Israel, maybe even foreign assistance of various kinds to Israel, quite difficult. Nelson Mandela, Former South African President: We identify with the PLO, because, just like ourselves, they are fighting for the right of self-determination.(Cheering and applause) Nick Schifrin: South Africa's support for Palestinians goes back decades. Former President Nelson Mandela was close to Palestine Liberation Organization founder Yasser Arafat. Before that, Israel supported and even negotiated providing nuclear weapons to South Africa's apartheid government.In 1999 in the West Bank, Mandela advocated for a Palestinian state by any means necessary. Nelson Mandela: If the only alternative is violence, we will use violence. Listen to this Segment Watch Watch the Full Episode PBS NewsHour from Jan 11, 2024 By — Nick Schifrin Nick Schifrin Nick Schifrin is PBS NewsHour’s Foreign Affairs and Defense Correspondent. He leads NewsHour’s daily foreign coverage, including multiple trips to Ukraine since the full-scale invasion, and has created weeklong series for the NewsHour from nearly a dozen countries. The PBS NewsHour series “Inside Putin’s Russia” won a 2017 Peabody Award and the National Press Club’s Edwin M. Hood Award for Diplomatic Correspondence. In 2020 Schifrin received the American Academy of Diplomacy’s Arthur Ross Media Award for Distinguished Reporting and Analysis of Foreign Affairs. He was a member of the NewsHour teams awarded a 2021 Peabody for coverage of COVID-19, and a 2023 duPont Columbia Award for coverage of Afghanistan and Ukraine. Prior to PBS NewsHour, Schifrin was Al Jazeera America's Middle East correspondent. He led the channel’s coverage of the 2014 war in Gaza; reported on the Syrian war from Syria's Turkish, Lebanese and Jordanian borders; and covered the annexation of Crimea. He won an Overseas Press Club award for his Gaza coverage and a National Headliners Award for his Ukraine coverage. From 2008-2012, Schifrin served as the ABC News correspondent in Afghanistan and Pakistan. In 2011 he was one of the first journalists to arrive in Abbottabad, Pakistan, after Osama bin Laden’s death and delivered one of the year’s biggest exclusives: the first video from inside bin Laden’s compound. His reporting helped ABC News win an Edward R. Murrow award for its bin Laden coverage. Schifrin is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and a board member of the Overseas Press Club Foundation. He has a Bachelor’s degree from Columbia University and a Master of International Public Policy degree from the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS). @nickschifrin By — Dan Sagalyn Dan Sagalyn As the deputy senior producer for foreign affairs and defense at the PBS NewsHour, Dan plays a key role in helping oversee and produce the program’s foreign affairs and defense stories. His pieces have broken new ground on an array of military issues, exposing debates simmering outside the public eye. @DanSagalyn