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LUCKY SEVERSON, correspondent: Off they go, two-by-two, in search of converts to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints—the Mormons. You know some of them. Presidential candidate Jon Huntsman was a missionary in Taiwan. Mitt Romney served a mission in France. Since the time of its first modern-day prophet Joseph Smith about 180 years ago, Mormons have sent over a million missionaries throughout the world.

STEVEN ALLEN: It is an international church.

SEVERSON: In fact, you have more members outside of the country than inside?

ALLEN: Si.

Steve Allen

SEVERSON: Steve Allen is the managing director of the church’s missionary department, which has seen a huge increase in the number of missionaries in just over a year.

ALLEN: We had 58, 500 missionaries in October of 2012. We’ve shot up to over 80,000, almost 82,000 today serving.

SEVERSON: There’s a reason for this growth spurt of Mormon missionaries. The church’s president and current prophet, Thomas S. Monson, announced last year that young men would now be eligible to go on missions when they are 18 instead of 19, and young women could serve when they turn 19 instead of 21.

ALLEN: God is hastening his work. He’s speeding it up. We have a sense that there’s an urgency about spreading the message of the gospel across the world. I think it would be very safe to say that this was inspired from heaven.

SEVERSON: The number of baptisms per missionary has declined in recent years. Allen says it’s because of two factors. One is that missionaries spend more time to make sure new converts stay converted. The other is:

ALLEN: I know that the world’s becoming a tougher and tougher place and that the level of what we would refer to as wickedness is growing tremendously.

Mormon girl

SEVERSON: This is the church’s main missionary training center in Provo, Utah. There are 14 other training schools throughout the world teaching 55 different languages. This is a class in mandarin. The female missionaries are referred to as Sister. After spending 9 weeks learning Mandarin, Sister Rolhfing is going to Taiwan.

SISTER ROLHFING: I’ve always planned to go on a mission since I was a little girl, so with the age change it just really made it more convenient to get to go a year earlier.

SEVERSON: Women in the church are not allowed to hold the priesthood. The young men are. They’re given the rank of Elder, which becomes their first name throughout the mission. Elder Russell is going to Canada.

(to Elder Russell): Why are you learning Mandarin if you’re going to Canada?

ELDER RUSSELL: I guess there’s a sizable population up there. I mean, everyone deserves to hear our message, so we’ll go worldwide wherever they are.

SEVERSON: This group is leaving soon for Ukraine. First, they had to be considered worthy of serving a mission.

LDS MISSIONARY: We submit our papers, which is just a kind of resume, and then the brethren, the quorum of the 12, they sit down and they pray about it and they look at our picture, and they decide through inspiration where we should serve our mission.

ALLEN: Missions are all about self-discipline. There’s an enormous amount of self-discipline out there. No TV, no Internet per se. They call home twice a year on Mother’s Day and Christmas Day. They communicate by email with their families once a week, and they work hard. It is hard, hard work—12-hour, 14-hour days.

SEVERSON: In this small community in Mexico you’ll find Elder Lopez from Pahrump, Nevada, a convert, and Elder French from Utah walking about 15 miles each day spreading the Gospel to anyone who will listen. Each and every morning, for up to four hours they’re studying the Gospel. Families from the U.S. are asked to pay $400 a month. These two worked to help pay for their missions.

Elder French

ELDER FRENCH: We always have to wake up at 6:30, we have like four alarms just to make sure—

SEVERSON: No sleeping in?

ELDER FRENCH: No sleeping in. If our companion tries to sleep in, we pour cold water on him.

SEVERSON: Seriously?

ELDER FRENCH: That’s what I'd do.

CARL PRATT: The week before they show up here they’re going around in flip-flops and gym shorts and t shirts. And here they’re all in white shirts and ties.

SEVERSON: Carl Pratt is president of the church’s missionary training center in Mexico City. In his professional life he’s a lawyer. The language school here is extensive and can handle up to 1200 students. Outside the campus is a world alien to many young missionaries. Cultures in this part of the world are steeped in Catholic tradition. Elder Alex Fortie from South Weber, Utah will be serving in Little Rock, Arkansas on a Spanish-speaking mission. [Editor's note: The name and hometown of this person were corrected in the transcript after the story aired.]

(speaking to Elder Fortie): Is this something you always wanted to do?

ELDER FORTIE: Nope. It’s not.

SEVERSON: So why are you here?

ELDER FORTIE: Because the idea of having an empty seat in heaven troubles me.

SEVERSON: Sister Waymith is from Sweet, Idaho.

SISTER WAYMITH: I decided to come on a mission because if it wasn’t for missionaries I probably wouldn’t be here, because my dad is a convert.

SEVERSON: Sister Brunsdale is fresh out of high school.

SISTER BRUNSDALE: Last year, right after the announcement I was like oh no, that means I can go, and then I was like oh wait, that means I can go, and I got super excited, and I got an answer from God that this is what I’m supposed to do.

SEVERSON: Sister Brunsdale is among many here learning Spanish only to go back to the U.S. to proselytize Latino residents. The church is devoting a good deal of attention to Spanish-speaking populations, even when they’re in pockets in the U.S.

(speaking to Steve Allen): Are there any countries in particular that you’re really zeroing in on, you’d really like to make some inroads?

ALLEN: Yeah, the United States of America, North America. We’d like to make more inroads here.

SEVERSON: Inroads like the church has made south of the border. Mexico, in particular, has been fertile ground for Mormon missionaries.

PRATT: We went from 50,000 members in 1963 to 1.3 million now.

SEVERSON: Although the fundamental message of the Mormon Church has changed little over the years, what has changed is the packaging. Not that many years ago, prospective converts heard more about Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon. Today it’s first and foremost about Jesus Christ, which is an easier sell to other Christians, like all the Catholics here in Mexico.

Dana Call

DANA CALL: The Mexican people are very warm, very receptive.

SEVERSON: Dana Call, a farmer by trade, is president of the Mexico City North mission. He’s in charge of 146 missionaries, like Sister Martinez, a third-year medical student from the Dominican Republic, and Sister Sandoval from Mexico, who was studying to be a civil engineer. She says her mom was afraid when she heard she was going to the dangerous big city, but sometimes it seems to her that people are more afraid of her.

SISTER SANDOVAL (speaking through translator): Some people, when they see us they run to the other side of the road. Others want to know more.

SEVERSON: On this day they’re visiting a member who needs help cleaning her house, also part of their calling. On their way here they knocked on some doors, something that is not that common anymore.

PRATT: Well, no, we don’t talk about door-to-door, although missionaries are certainly free to do that, but we talk about contacting on the streets, and we talk about mostly working through the members. That the members would invite their friends to visit with the missionaries.

SEVERSON: It was a member that referred Elders Lopez and French to this meeting with a potential convert.

ELDER FRENCH: We talk to members. We ask people—if we’re going to the store to buy something we ask the clerk at the store, we ask the person working there, who do you know that needs help in their life in this moment? Who do you know that could benefit from having a little more of Jesus Christ our Savior in their lives? And they tell us.

SEVERSON: The Mormons, like many churches, have seen active members stray from their congregations. Shoring up the wayward is now part of a missionary’s job.

CALL: President Monson calls it “the rescue”: go and get and find those who have strayed and bring them back.

SEVERSON: Since 1970, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has grown from three million to over 15 million members worldwide, and these young men are determined to add to that number.

Mormon Missionary Expansion

At a time when many religious denominations continue to lose members, the number of people in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the Mormons, continues to grow. There are now more than 15 million Mormons worldwide. One reason for the growth is the enthusiasm of the more than 80,000 Mormon missionaries.

  • Doe

    I do not believe in Missionaries. Too often they go into areas where people are happy and tho they do not have a lot they are content. But, with promises of medicines, amenities, and such, they get people to change religions for what gifts they are offered and them the Missionaries leave. When they leave there are those who changed faiths, who changed ideas, who no long have an old culture to cling to and to make them a people. They are in limbo. Nothing more needs to be said.

  • OregonDavid

    Doe- There’s happy and sad people all over the earth, in rich and poor neighborhoods or in any demographic one wants to break it down to. I think the missionaries do seek out those who are downtrodden and sad of heart. In my experience they were the most humble and receptive in recognizing the good news of the gospel. I’ve seen that change people for the better time and time again.

    I was a missionary years and years ago and I can say that I didn’t so much convince people to come to the church I was attending; but the conversations we had about Jesus reawakened the inner spark of their faith; therefore reactivating them back to the church of their youth. I was never too broken up about this because I figured God wanted all of mankind to be happy and if it made them the better for it, my mission was succeeding.

  • Shoshi

    I accept what Doe has to say. I do not believe in the holiness of Jesus. This, I feel, was all made up at the Council of Nicaea, over 300 years after his death. This is one of the reasons I left Christianity. I cannot accept the teaching this religion. With the same concept of G-d, Islam and Judaism, to me, makes much more of a reality. There is no god but G-d. Then, just my opinion.

  • Tornogal

    The basis for LDS church claimed membership figures is as open to inspection as are their finances, and that is not at all. 15 million people may have been baptized (who knows?), but according to Reuters, sociologists estimate that practicing Mormons are about one third of that figure.

    And as to growth in Mexico, in 2000 the LDS church pegged its membership in Mexico at more than a million. Yet, according to the 2000 census, the Instituto Nacional de Estadadistica e Informatica (INEGI) showed that only 205,229 Mexican people considered themselves Mormon. That’s about one fifth of what the LDS church claims as membership in that country.

    The recent surge in missionaries is all due to the lowering of missionary age. For every 18 year-old going out this year, that is one less 19 year-old that will go next year. With horrible youth retention statistics, it is understandable why LDS leadership wants to get them innoculated with a mission before they learn to think for themselves with a year in college before a mission.

    And this is such a classic organizational mind control line: “I know that the world’s becoming a tougher and tougher place and that the level of what we would refer to as wickedness is growing tremendously.” I’m guessing Brother Allen didn’t live through the dark ages, plaques, world wars, or other enormous calamities. But “wickedness is growing tremendously” is a great sales line used to scare people into what Mormons are selling.

    Mormonism has seen its heyday. People are discovering it is a fraud. And that’s good.

  • Stephen Buck

    To see the enthusiasm in the faces of these young people
    is rewarding. They are happy, willing to serve others without compensation and are
    devoted; at least that what I see. Others may discount their service but I think
    their honesty and commitment to others is mostly unparalleled. I for one value their
    exuberance.

    When they return home others will take their place and
    the work of informing other will continue throughout the world.

  • MunkyNutts

    Inflated numbers, it’s been know for some time. See Tornogal’s response and actual research on the matter with link below.

    http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.1525/nr.2006.10.1.52?uid=2134&uid=2&uid=70&uid=4&sid=21104236001933

  • Lonestar99

    You’re a fearful anti-Mormon following a script. You can’t argue with the growth of Mormonism and so you poo poo the numbers. Too easy.
    The LDS Church pays for and dedicates 1.5 new chapels every day throughout the world. Unlike the Cathedrals of Europe, they are not empty.
    BooYah!

  • Lonestar99

    Another nervous anti-Mormon.
    Relax, the fulfillment of the Prophecy in Daniel is coming to pass.
    You cannot stop it.
    Go fishing.

  • OregonDavid

    I don’t know why Tornogal has an axe to grind against churches, but show me any church, mosque or temple that has 100% of its believers in attendence on every Sunday, Friday, Saturday or other holy day. He might as well try to convince us that the world is flat than to say the LDS Church isn’t growing. Here’s a newsletter for the Church’s growth for May, 2014.
    https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BzyZqee1W-lPM09kNEl1VU9zYmc/edit?usp=sharing&pli=1

  • Blur Blab

    The irony of this comment is hilarious. Yes, Tornogal is the “fearful” one “following a script.” Or you’re a brainwashed member of a cult that refuses to believe any other sources and therefore live in a state of perpetual confirmation bias, believing crazy irrational things because you got a “tingly” sensation this one time during a hymn…

  • Lonestar99

    Ah, another bitter apsostate.
    Can’t leave it alone becuse you still haven’t convinced yourself.

  • Lonestar99

    Ah, another bitter apsostate.
    Can’t leave it alone becuse you still haven’t convinced yourself.

  • Jason

    Numbers claimed by the Church (15 million) are definitely not accurate as shown by national surveys, as Tornogal has already pointed out. Anyone that has had access to a ward list knows at least half of the members assigned to any one ward do not show up at all (less-actives). If my personal observations in the numerous wards I have belong to are any indication, the actual number of LDS members is at most around 6 million and that is probably being generous. Individual records are kept until the person would be 110 years old if the church loses track of them. Now that has got to boost numbers, especially when retention rates are so bad. Many people get baptized and then leave (unofficially) within the first year. Most likely if the church can’t find someone it is because they don’t want to be found by the LDS Church. Many of these people simply don’t go through the process required by the Church to take their names off the roles and the LDS Church continues to count them as members.

    It will be interesting to see how missionary numbers change in the next couple of years. A big deal is made of having 80K missionaries, but that is only because of the recent change. All of a sudden 18 year olds are allowed to serve in addition to 19+ year olds. When those 19+ year olds start going home the number will drop and probably stay lower thereafter. How much it will drop is what will be interesting to see. The change seems to have inspired young women to serve. It may be that the number doesn’t drop as much as it would have because young women are increasingly serving as missionaries.

    Others’ observations that changing the age has more to do with keeping LDS youth in the faith than gaining more converts are probably accurate, given the meger increase in converts despite the surge in missionary numbers. But once those missionaries become “seasoned” that may change. I’ll be watching to see how the numbers look in the April 2015 General Conference. With that many missionaries it would be hard not to see an increase of converts. Pound the pavement enough and you’ll pick up some low hanging fruit. I have no doubt that if any other religion would have such an army of youth missionaries they would also see increasing membership.

  • cominginsecond

    Are Catholics that only go to mass twice a year not Catholic? If they haven’t removed their names from the records of the church there’s no way for the church to know whether they wish to remain Mormon. The implication that Mormons do not think for themselves is a tired, bigoted anti-Mormon sentiment.

  • Blur Blab

    No, can’t leave it alone because I was brainwashed as a child and have traumatic scars from being told that I was “worthless” if I didn’t drink some 2000 year old dudes blood every week… So I use the r/exmomon community for support, but when I see people like you smugly patting yourself on the back like you literally have the entire universe figured it out, well it makes me sad and angry the church is still perpetuating it’s damaging bullsht and using good honest blind and dumb fools to do it.

  • Jacob Irony

    Lonestar99, as believing members we are not doing ourselves or the church any favors by responding the way you have. It’s easy to look objectively at things and understand where blur and tornogal are coming from. The fact of the matter is that the church is having a hard time. Youth really are leaving at an alarming rate, growth has stagnated, the missionary bump did little in terms of conversions, and the worst part is people like you would rather mock people for pointing out valid concerns than address the issues. You are my problem with my own religion. Just think about this, usin our own religions numbers, we have 29000 congregations, and 15 million members. That’d be 517 per ward at 100%. I think the biggest wards have about 250 ish in sac meeting if bet the world wise average is around 150 ish. That right there tells me we have a problem! There are probably only 6 million active Mormons in the world. Stop mocking exmormons! Realize they are telling you exactly what you need to hear to learn how to address the problems and protect our church. Sorry blur and tornogal, you know how it is. Some Mormons want to act like all is well in Zion no matter what. That being said, I believe the church is true, and will survive this time of increases apostasy.

  • Tornogal

    No, “Cominginsecond,” the notion that Mormons do not think for themselves comes from statements like these from Mormon leaders:

    “When our leaders speak, the thinking has been done.”
    Ward Teachers Message, Deseret News, Church Section p. 5, May 26, 1945

    “When the Prophet speaks the debate is over.”
    Apostle N. Eldon Tanner, Ensign, Aug. 1979, pp. 2-3.

    (And speaking of “tired,” the use of the terms “bigoted” and “anti-Mormon” fit that description very well when used to dismiss any criticism of your church. That excuses Mormons to not have to think about what the critics said.)

  • Tornogal

    David,

    I have no “axe to grind.” This is a discussion board. I am discussing. It’s what people do here. If my posts bother you, please do not read them.

    Of course no religious institutions have 100% of their people attending every week. But no one is suggesting that. What I suggested in my original post here is that while the LDS church says it has a million Mormons in Mexico, about one fifth that amount of people categorize themselves as Mormons. And that situation exists in many countries. To any reasonable person that would seem to indicate the LDS church is exaggerating its population, and I believe that to be the case.

    With respect to the Cumorah article you posted, I’m guessing you didn’t read it very closely. Look in particular at the country-by-country list of LDS populations and do the math relative to past lists by Cumorah available online. You can figure out pretty quickly that that the LDS church has absolutely flat-lined in Europe and Asia and continues to represent a minuscule portion of populations.

    Here are the LDS percentages of populations in several of the countries listed in the newsletter you posted:

    England: 0.27%

    Bahrain: 0.01%

    Bermuda: 0.2%

    British Virgin Islands: 0.6%

    Burkina Faso: .000036%

    Chad: 0.00004%

    Gibraltar: 0.05%

    Greenland: 0.02%

    Kuwait: 0.008%

    Morocco: 0.0003%

    Northern Ireland: 0.29%

    Scotland: 0.5%

    Vietnam: 0.002%

    But, again, as my original post said, no one really knows what the LDS church membership figures are, as they aren’t open to inspection.

  • Tornogal

    David,

    I have no “axe to grind.” This is a discussion board. I am discussing. It’s what people do here. If my posts bother you, please do not read them.

    Of course no religious institutions have 100% of their people attending every week. But no one is suggesting that. What I suggested in my original post here is that while the LDS church says it has a million Mormons in Mexico, about one fifth that amount of people categorize themselves as Mormons. And that situation exists in many countries. To any reasonable person that would seem to indicate the LDS church is exaggerating its population, and I believe that to be the case.

    With respect to the Cumorah article you posted, I’m guessing you didn’t read it very closely. Look in particular at the country-by-country list of LDS populations and do the math relative to past lists by Cumorah available online. You can figure out pretty quickly that that the LDS church has absolutely flat-lined in Europe and Asia and continues to represent a minuscule portion of populations.

    Here are the LDS percentages of populations in several of the countries listed in the newsletter you posted:

    England: 0.27%

    Bahrain: 0.01%

    Bermuda: 0.2%

    British Virgin Islands: 0.6%

    Burkina Faso: .000036%

    Chad: 0.00004%

    Gibraltar: 0.05%

    Greenland: 0.02%

    Kuwait: 0.008%

    Morocco: 0.0003%

    Northern Ireland: 0.29%

    Scotland: 0.5%

    Vietnam: 0.002%

    But, again, as my original post said, no one really knows what the LDS church membership figures are, as they aren’t open to inspection.

  • Tornogal

    David,

    I have no “axe to grind.” This is a discussion board. I am discussing. It’s what people do here. If my posts bother you, please do not read them.

    Of course no religious institutions have 100% of their people attending every week. But no one is suggesting that. What I suggested in my original post here is that while the LDS church says it has a million Mormons in Mexico, about one fifth that amount of people categorize themselves as Mormons. And that situation exists in many countries. To any reasonable person that would seem to indicate the LDS church is exaggerating its population, and I believe that to be the case.

    With respect to the Cumorah article you posted, I’m guessing you didn’t read it very closely. Look in particular at the country-by-country list of LDS populations and do the math relative to past lists by Cumorah available online. You can figure out pretty quickly that that the LDS church has absolutely flat-lined in Europe and Asia and continues to represent a minuscule portion of populations.

    Here are the LDS percentages of populations in several of the countries listed in the newsletter you posted:

    England: 0.27%

    Bahrain: 0.01%

    Bermuda: 0.2%

    British Virgin Islands: 0.6%

    Burkina Faso: .000036%

    Chad: 0.00004%

    Gibraltar: 0.05%

    Greenland: 0.02%

    Kuwait: 0.008%

    Morocco: 0.0003%

    Northern Ireland: 0.29%

    Scotland: 0.5%

    Vietnam: 0.002%

    But, again, as my original post said, no one really knows what the LDS church membership figures are, as they aren’t open to inspection.

  • Tornogal

    David,

    I have no “axe to grind.” This is a discussion board. I am discussing. It’s what people do here. If my posts bother you, please do not read them.

    Of course no religious institutions have 100% of their people attending every week. But no one is suggesting that. What I suggested in my original post here is that while the LDS church says it has a million Mormons in Mexico, about one fifth that amount of people categorize themselves as Mormons. And that situation exists in many countries. To any reasonable person that would seem to indicate the LDS church is exaggerating its population, and I believe that to be the case.

    With respect to the Cumorah article you posted, I’m guessing you didn’t read it very closely. Look in particular at the country-by-country list of LDS populations and do the math relative to past lists by Cumorah available online. You can figure out pretty quickly that that the LDS church has absolutely flat-lined in Europe and Asia and continues to represent a minuscule portion of populations.

    Here are the LDS percentages of populations in several of the countries listed in the newsletter you posted:

    England: 0.27%

    Bahrain: 0.01%

    Bermuda: 0.2%

    British Virgin Islands: 0.6%

    Burkina Faso: .000036%

    Chad: 0.00004%

    Gibraltar: 0.05%

    Greenland: 0.02%

    Kuwait: 0.008%

    Morocco: 0.0003%

    Northern Ireland: 0.29%

    Scotland: 0.5%

    Vietnam: 0.002%

    But, again, as my original post said, no one really knows what the LDS church membership figures are, as they aren’t open to inspection.

  • Tornogal

    David,

    I have no “axe to grind.” This is a discussion board. I am discussing. It’s what people do here. If my posts bother you, please do not read them.

    Of course no religious institutions have 100% of their people attending every week. But no one is suggesting that. What I suggested in my original post here is that while the LDS church says it has a million Mormons in Mexico, about one fifth that amount of people categorize themselves as Mormons. And that situation exists in many countries. To any reasonable person that would seem to indicate the LDS church is exaggerating its population, and I believe that to be the case.

    With respect to the Cumorah article you posted, I’m guessing you didn’t read it very closely. Look in particular at the country-by-country list of LDS populations and do the math relative to past lists by Cumorah available online. You can figure out pretty quickly that that the LDS church has absolutely flat-lined in Europe and Asia and continues to represent a minuscule portion of populations.

    Here are the LDS percentages of populations in several of the countries listed in the newsletter you posted:

    England: 0.27%

    Bahrain: 0.01%

    Bermuda: 0.2%

    British Virgin Islands: 0.6%

    Burkina Faso: .000036%

    Chad: 0.00004%

    Gibraltar: 0.05%

    Greenland: 0.02%

    Kuwait: 0.008%

    Morocco: 0.0003%

    Northern Ireland: 0.29%

    Scotland: 0.5%

    Vietnam: 0.002%

    But, again, as my original post said, no one really knows what the LDS church membership figures are, as they aren’t open to inspection.

  • Tornogal

    David,

    I have no “axe to grind.” This is a discussion board. I am discussing. It’s what people do here. If my posts bother you, please do not read them.

    Of course no religious institutions have 100% of their people attending every week. But no one is suggesting that. What I suggested in my original post here is that while the LDS church says it has a million Mormons in Mexico, about one fifth that amount of people categorize themselves as Mormons. And that situation exists in many countries. To any reasonable person that would seem to indicate the LDS church is exaggerating its population, and I believe that to be the case.

    With respect to the Cumorah article you posted, I’m guessing you didn’t read it very closely. Look in particular at the country-by-country list of LDS populations and do the math relative to past lists by Cumorah available online. You can figure out pretty quickly that that the LDS church has absolutely flat-lined in Europe and Asia and continues to represent a minuscule portion of populations.

    Here are the LDS percentages of populations in several of the countries listed in the newsletter you posted:

    England: 0.27%

    Bahrain: 0.01%

    Bermuda: 0.2%

    British Virgin Islands: 0.6%

    Burkina Faso: .000036%

    Chad: 0.00004%

    Gibraltar: 0.05%

    Greenland: 0.02%

    Kuwait: 0.008%

    Morocco: 0.0003%

    Northern Ireland: 0.29%

    Scotland: 0.5%

    Vietnam: 0.002%

    But, again, as my original post said, no one really knows what the LDS church membership figures are, as they aren’t open to inspection.

  • Tornogal

    David,

    I have no “axe to grind.” This is a discussion board. I am discussing. It’s what people do here. If my posts bother you, please do not read them.

    Of course no religious institutions have 100% of their people attending every week. But no one is suggesting that. What I suggested in my original post here is that while the LDS church says it has a million Mormons in Mexico, about one fifth that amount of people categorize themselves as Mormons. And that situation exists in many countries. To any reasonable person that would seem to indicate the LDS church is exaggerating its population, and I believe that to be the case.

    With respect to the Cumorah article you posted, I’m guessing you didn’t read it very closely. Look in particular at the country-by-country list of LDS populations and do the math relative to past lists by Cumorah available online. You can figure out pretty quickly that that the LDS church has absolutely flat-lined in Europe and Asia and continues to represent a minuscule portion of populations.

    Here are the LDS percentages of populations in several of the countries listed in the newsletter you posted:

    England: 0.27%

    Bahrain: 0.01%

    Bermuda: 0.2%

    British Virgin Islands: 0.6%

    Burkina Faso: .000036%

    Chad: 0.00004%

    Gibraltar: 0.05%

    Greenland: 0.02%

    Kuwait: 0.008%

    Morocco: 0.0003%

    Northern Ireland: 0.29%

    Scotland: 0.5%

    Vietnam: 0.002%

    But, again, as my original post said, no one really knows what the LDS church membership figures are, as they aren’t open to inspection.

  • Tornogal

    David,

    I have no “axe to grind.” This is a discussion board. I am discussing. It’s what people do here. If my posts bother you, please do not read them.

    Of course no religious institutions have 100% of their people attending every week. But no one is suggesting that. What I suggested in my original post here is that while the LDS church says it has a million Mormons in Mexico, about one fifth that amount of people categorize themselves as Mormons. And that situation exists in many countries. To any reasonable person that would seem to indicate the LDS church is exaggerating its population, and I believe that to be the case.

    With respect to the Cumorah article you posted, I’m guessing you didn’t read it very closely. Look in particular at the country-by-country list of LDS populations and do the math relative to past lists by Cumorah available online. You can figure out pretty quickly that that the LDS church has absolutely flat-lined in Europe and Asia and continues to represent a minuscule portion of populations.

    Here are the LDS percentages of populations in several of the countries listed in the newsletter you posted:

    England: 0.27%

    Bahrain: 0.01%

    Bermuda: 0.2%

    British Virgin Islands: 0.6%

    Burkina Faso: .000036%

    Chad: 0.00004%

    Gibraltar: 0.05%

    Greenland: 0.02%

    Kuwait: 0.008%

    Morocco: 0.0003%

    Northern Ireland: 0.29%

    Scotland: 0.5%

    Vietnam: 0.002%

    But, again, as my original post said, no one really knows what the LDS church membership figures are, as they aren’t open to inspection.

  • Tornogal

    David,

    I have no “axe to grind.” This is a discussion board. I am discussing. It’s what people do here. If my posts bother you, please do not read them.

    Of course no religious institutions have 100% of their people attending every week. But no one is suggesting that. What I suggested in my original post here is that while the LDS church says it has a million Mormons in Mexico, about one fifth that amount of people categorize themselves as Mormons. And that situation exists in many countries. To any reasonable person that would seem to indicate the LDS church is exaggerating its population, and I believe that to be the case.

    With respect to the Cumorah article you posted, I’m guessing you didn’t read it very closely. Look in particular at the country-by-country list of LDS populations and do the math relative to past lists by Cumorah available online. You can figure out pretty quickly that that the LDS church has absolutely flat-lined in Europe and Asia and continues to represent a minuscule portion of populations.

    Here are the LDS percentages of populations in several of the countries listed in the newsletter you posted:

    England: 0.27%

    Bahrain: 0.01%

    Bermuda: 0.2%

    British Virgin Islands: 0.6%

    Burkina Faso: .000036%

    Chad: 0.00004%

    Gibraltar: 0.05%

    Greenland: 0.02%

    Kuwait: 0.008%

    Morocco: 0.0003%

    Northern Ireland: 0.29%

    Scotland: 0.5%

    Vietnam: 0.002%

    But, again, as my original post said, no one really knows what the LDS church membership figures are, as they aren’t open to inspection.

  • Tornogal

    David,

    I have no “axe to grind.” This is a discussion board. I am discussing. It’s what people do here. If my posts bother you, please do not read them.

    Of course no religious institutions have 100% of their people attending every week. But no one is suggesting that. What I suggested in my original post here is that while the LDS church says it has a million Mormons in Mexico, about one fifth that amount of people categorize themselves as Mormons. And that situation exists in many countries. To any reasonable person that would seem to indicate the LDS church is exaggerating its population, and I believe that to be the case.

    With respect to the Cumorah article you posted, I’m guessing you didn’t read it very closely. Look in particular at the country-by-country list of LDS populations and do the math relative to past lists by Cumorah available online. You can figure out pretty quickly that that the LDS church has absolutely flat-lined in Europe and Asia and continues to represent a minuscule portion of populations.

    Here are the LDS percentages of populations in several of the countries listed in the newsletter you posted:

    England: 0.27%

    Bahrain: 0.01%

    Bermuda: 0.2%

    British Virgin Islands: 0.6%

    Burkina Faso: .000036%

    Chad: 0.00004%

    Gibraltar: 0.05%

    Greenland: 0.02%

    Kuwait: 0.008%

    Morocco: 0.0003%

    Northern Ireland: 0.29%

    Scotland: 0.5%

    Vietnam: 0.002%

    But, again, as my original post said, no one really knows what the LDS church membership figures are, as they aren’t open to inspection.

  • Tornogal

    David,

    I have no “axe to grind.” This is a discussion board. I am discussing. It’s what people do here. If my posts bother you, please do not read them.

    Of course no religious institutions have 100% of their people attending every week. But no one is suggesting that. What I suggested in my original post here is that while the LDS church says it has a million Mormons in Mexico, about one fifth that amount of people categorize themselves as Mormons. And that situation exists in many countries. To any reasonable person that would seem to indicate the LDS church is exaggerating its population, and I believe that to be the case.

    With respect to the Cumorah article you posted, I’m guessing you didn’t read it very closely. Look in particular at the country-by-country list of LDS populations and do the math relative to past lists by Cumorah available online. You can figure out pretty quickly that that the LDS church has absolutely flat-lined in Europe and Asia and continues to represent a minuscule portion of populations.

    Here are the LDS percentages of populations in several of the countries listed in the newsletter you posted:

    England: 0.27%

    Bahrain: 0.01%

    Bermuda: 0.2%

    British Virgin Islands: 0.6%

    Burkina Faso: .000036%

    Chad: 0.00004%

    Gibraltar: 0.05%

    Greenland: 0.02%

    Kuwait: 0.008%

    Morocco: 0.0003%

    Northern Ireland: 0.29%

    Scotland: 0.5%

    Vietnam: 0.002%

    But, again, as my original post said, no one really knows what the LDS church membership figures are, as they aren’t open to inspection.

  • Tornogal

    David,

    I have no “axe to grind.” This is a discussion board. I am discussing. It’s what people do here. If my posts bother you, please do not read them.

    Of course no religious institutions have 100% of their people attending every week. But no one is suggesting that. What I suggested in my original post here is that while the LDS church says it has a million Mormons in Mexico, about one fifth that amount of people categorize themselves as Mormons. And that situation exists in many countries. To any reasonable person that would seem to indicate the LDS church is exaggerating its population, and I believe that to be the case.

    With respect to the Cumorah article you posted, I’m guessing you didn’t read it very closely. Look in particular at the country-by-country list of LDS populations and do the math relative to past lists by Cumorah available online. You can figure out pretty quickly that that the LDS church has absolutely flat-lined in Europe and Asia and continues to represent a minuscule portion of populations.

    Here are the LDS percentages of populations in several of the countries listed in the newsletter you posted:

    England: 0.27%

    Bahrain: 0.01%

    Bermuda: 0.2%

    British Virgin Islands: 0.6%

    Burkina Faso: .000036%

    Chad: 0.00004%

    Gibraltar: 0.05%

    Greenland: 0.02%

    Kuwait: 0.008%

    Morocco: 0.0003%

    Northern Ireland: 0.29%

    Scotland: 0.5%

    Vietnam: 0.002%

    But, again, as my original post said, no one really knows what the LDS church membership figures are, as they aren’t open to inspection.

  • Tornogal

    David,

    I have no “axe to grind.” This is a discussion board. I am discussing. It’s what people do here. If my posts bother you, please do not read them.

    Of course no religious institutions have 100% of their people attending every week. But no one is suggesting that. What I suggested in my original post here is that while the LDS church says it has a million Mormons in Mexico, about one fifth that amount of people categorize themselves as Mormons. And that situation exists in many countries. To any reasonable person that would seem to indicate the LDS church is exaggerating its population, and I believe that to be the case.

    With respect to the Cumorah article you posted, I’m guessing you didn’t read it very closely. Look in particular at the country-by-country list of LDS populations and do the math relative to past lists by Cumorah available online. You can figure out pretty quickly that that the LDS church has absolutely flat-lined in Europe and Asia and continues to represent a minuscule portion of populations.

    Here are the LDS percentages of populations in several of the countries listed in the newsletter you posted:

    England: 0.27%

    Bahrain: 0.01%

    Bermuda: 0.2%

    British Virgin Islands: 0.6%

    Burkina Faso: .000036%

    Chad: 0.00004%

    Gibraltar: 0.05%

    Greenland: 0.02%

    Kuwait: 0.008%

    Morocco: 0.0003%

    Northern Ireland: 0.29%

    Scotland: 0.5%

    Vietnam: 0.002%

    But, again, as my original post said, no one really knows what the LDS church membership figures are, as they aren’t open to inspection.

  • Tornogal

    David,

    I have no “axe to grind.” This is a discussion board. I am discussing. It’s what people do here. If my posts bother you, please do not read them.

    Of course no religious institutions have 100% of their people attending every week. But no one is suggesting that. What I suggested in my original post here is that while the LDS church says it has a million Mormons in Mexico, about one fifth that amount of people categorize themselves as Mormons. And that situation exists in many countries. To any reasonable person that would seem to indicate the LDS church is exaggerating its population, and I believe that to be the case.

    With respect to the Cumorah article you posted, I’m guessing you didn’t read it very closely. Look in particular at the country-by-country list of LDS populations and do the math relative to past lists by Cumorah available online. You can figure out pretty quickly that that the LDS church has absolutely flat-lined in Europe and Asia and continues to represent a minuscule portion of populations.

    Here are the LDS percentages of populations in several of the countries listed in the newsletter you posted:

    England: 0.27%

    Bahrain: 0.01%

    Bermuda: 0.2%

    British Virgin Islands: 0.6%

    Burkina Faso: .000036%

    Chad: 0.00004%

    Gibraltar: 0.05%

    Greenland: 0.02%

    Kuwait: 0.008%

    Morocco: 0.0003%

    Northern Ireland: 0.29%

    Scotland: 0.5%

    Vietnam: 0.002%

    But, again, as my original post said, no one really knows what the LDS church membership figures are, as they aren’t open to inspection.

  • Tornogal

    David,

    I have no “axe to grind.” This is a discussion board. I am discussing. It’s what people do here. If my posts bother you, please do not read them.

    Of course no religious institutions have 100% of their people attending every week. But no one is suggesting that. What I suggested in my original post here is that while the LDS church says it has a million Mormons in Mexico, about one fifth that amount of people categorize themselves as Mormons. And that situation exists in many countries. To any reasonable person that would seem to indicate the LDS church is exaggerating its population, and I believe that to be the case.

    With respect to the Cumorah article you posted, I’m guessing you didn’t read it very closely. Look in particular at the country-by-country list of LDS populations and do the math relative to past lists by Cumorah available online. You can figure out pretty quickly that that the LDS church has absolutely flat-lined in Europe and Asia and continues to represent a minuscule portion of populations.

    Here are the LDS percentages of populations in several of the countries listed in the newsletter you posted:

    England: 0.27%

    Bahrain: 0.01%

    Bermuda: 0.2%

    British Virgin Islands: 0.6%

    Burkina Faso: .000036%

    Chad: 0.00004%

    Gibraltar: 0.05%

    Greenland: 0.02%

    Kuwait: 0.008%

    Morocco: 0.0003%

    Northern Ireland: 0.29%

    Scotland: 0.5%

    Vietnam: 0.002%

    But, again, as my original post said, no one really knows what the LDS church membership figures are, as they aren’t open to inspection.

  • Tornogal

    David,

    I have no “axe to grind.” This is a discussion board. I am discussing. It’s what people do here. If my posts bother you, please do not read them.

    Of course no religious institutions have 100% of their people attending every week. But no one is suggesting that. What I suggested in my original post here is that while the LDS church says it has a million Mormons in Mexico, about one fifth that amount of people categorize themselves as Mormons. And that situation exists in many countries. To any reasonable person that would seem to indicate the LDS church is exaggerating its population, and I believe that to be the case.

    With respect to the Cumorah article you posted, I’m guessing you didn’t read it very closely. Look in particular at the country-by-country list of LDS populations and do the math relative to past lists by Cumorah available online. You can figure out pretty quickly that that the LDS church has absolutely flat-lined in Europe and Asia and continues to represent a minuscule portion of populations.

    Here are the LDS percentages of populations in several of the countries listed in the newsletter you posted:

    England: 0.27%

    Bahrain: 0.01%

    Bermuda: 0.2%

    British Virgin Islands: 0.6%

    Burkina Faso: .000036%

    Chad: 0.00004%

    Gibraltar: 0.05%

    Greenland: 0.02%

    Kuwait: 0.008%

    Morocco: 0.0003%

    Northern Ireland: 0.29%

    Scotland: 0.5%

    Vietnam: 0.002%

    But, again, as my original post said, no one really knows what the LDS church membership figures are, as they aren’t open to inspection.

  • Tornogal

    David,

    I have no “axe to grind.” This is a discussion board. I am discussing. It’s what people do here. If my posts bother you, please do not read them.

    Of course no religious institutions have 100% of their people attending every week. But no one is suggesting that. What I suggested in my original post here is that while the LDS church says it has a million Mormons in Mexico, about one fifth that amount of people categorize themselves as Mormons. And that situation exists in many countries. To any reasonable person that would seem to indicate the LDS church is exaggerating its population, and I believe that to be the case.

    With respect to the Cumorah article you posted, I’m guessing you didn’t read it very closely. Look in particular at the country-by-country list of LDS populations and do the math relative to past lists by Cumorah available online. You can figure out pretty quickly that that the LDS church has absolutely flat-lined in Europe and Asia and continues to represent a minuscule portion of populations.

    Here are the LDS percentages of populations in several of the countries listed in the newsletter you posted:

    England: 0.27%

    Bahrain: 0.01%

    Bermuda: 0.2%

    British Virgin Islands: 0.6%

    Burkina Faso: .000036%

    Chad: 0.00004%

    Gibraltar: 0.05%

    Greenland: 0.02%

    Kuwait: 0.008%

    Morocco: 0.0003%

    Northern Ireland: 0.29%

    Scotland: 0.5%

    Vietnam: 0.002%

    But, again, as my original post said, no one really knows what the LDS church membership figures are, as they aren’t open to inspection.

  • Tornogal

    David,

    I have no “axe to grind.” This is a discussion board. I am discussing. It’s what people do here. If my posts bother you, please do not read them.

    Of course no religious institutions have 100% of their people attending every week. But no one is suggesting that. What I suggested in my original post here is that while the LDS church says it has a million Mormons in Mexico, about one fifth that amount of people categorize themselves as Mormons. And that situation exists in many countries. To any reasonable person that would seem to indicate the LDS church is exaggerating its population, and I believe that to be the case.

    With respect to the Cumorah article you posted, I’m guessing you didn’t read it very closely. Look in particular at the country-by-country list of LDS populations and do the math relative to past lists by Cumorah available online. You can figure out pretty quickly that that the LDS church has absolutely flat-lined in Europe and Asia and continues to represent a minuscule portion of populations.

    Here are the LDS percentages of populations in several of the countries listed in the newsletter you posted:

    England: 0.27%

    Bahrain: 0.01%

    Bermuda: 0.2%

    British Virgin Islands: 0.6%

    Burkina Faso: .000036%

    Chad: 0.00004%

    Gibraltar: 0.05%

    Greenland: 0.02%

    Kuwait: 0.008%

    Morocco: 0.0003%

    Northern Ireland: 0.29%

    Scotland: 0.5%

    Vietnam: 0.002%

    But, again, as my original post said, no one really knows what the LDS church membership figures are, as they aren’t open to inspection.

  • Tornogal

    David,

    I have no “axe to grind.” This is a discussion board. I am discussing. It’s what people do here. If my posts bother you, please do not read them.

    Of course no religious institutions have 100% of their people attending every week. But no one is suggesting that. What I suggested in my original post here is that while the LDS church says it has a million Mormons in Mexico, about one fifth that amount of people categorize themselves as Mormons. And that situation exists in many countries. To any reasonable person that would seem to indicate the LDS church is exaggerating its population, and I believe that to be the case.

    With respect to the Cumorah article you posted, I’m guessing you didn’t read it very closely. Look in particular at the country-by-country list of LDS populations and do the math relative to past lists by Cumorah available online. You can figure out pretty quickly that that the LDS church has absolutely flat-lined in Europe and Asia and continues to represent a minuscule portion of populations.

    Here are the LDS percentages of populations in several of the countries listed in the newsletter you posted:

    England: 0.27%

    Bahrain: 0.01%

    Bermuda: 0.2%

    British Virgin Islands: 0.6%

    Burkina Faso: .000036%

    Chad: 0.00004%

    Gibraltar: 0.05%

    Greenland: 0.02%

    Kuwait: 0.008%

    Morocco: 0.0003%

    Northern Ireland: 0.29%

    Scotland: 0.5%

    Vietnam: 0.002%

    But, again, as my original post said, no one really knows what the LDS church membership figures are, as they aren’t open to inspection.

  • Tornogal

    David,

    I have no “axe to grind.” This is a discussion board. I am discussing. It’s what people do here. If my posts bother you, please do not read them.

    Of course no religious institutions have 100% of their people attending every week. But no one is suggesting that. What I suggested in my original post here is that while the LDS church says it has a million Mormons in Mexico, about one fifth that amount of people categorize themselves as Mormons. And that situation exists in many countries. To any reasonable person that would seem to indicate the LDS church is exaggerating its population, and I believe that to be the case.

    With respect to the Cumorah article you posted, I’m guessing you didn’t read it very closely. Look in particular at the country-by-country list of LDS populations and do the math relative to past lists by Cumorah available online. You can figure out pretty quickly that that the LDS church has absolutely flat-lined in Europe and Asia and continues to represent a minuscule portion of populations.

    Here are the LDS percentages of populations in several of the countries listed in the newsletter you posted:

    England: 0.27%

    Bahrain: 0.01%

    Bermuda: 0.2%

    British Virgin Islands: 0.6%

    Burkina Faso: .000036%

    Chad: 0.00004%

    Gibraltar: 0.05%

    Greenland: 0.02%

    Kuwait: 0.008%

    Morocco: 0.0003%

    Northern Ireland: 0.29%

    Scotland: 0.5%

    Vietnam: 0.002%

    But, again, as my original post said, no one really knows what the LDS church membership figures are, as they aren’t open to inspection.

  • Tornogal

    David,

    I have no “axe to grind.” This is a discussion board. I am discussing. It’s what people do here. If my posts bother you, please do not read them.

    Of course no religious institutions have 100% of their people attending every week. But no one is suggesting that. What I suggested in my original post here is that while the LDS church says it has a million Mormons in Mexico, about one fifth that amount of people categorize themselves as Mormons. And that situation exists in many countries. To any reasonable person that would seem to indicate the LDS church is exaggerating its population, and I believe that to be the case.

    With respect to the Cumorah article you posted, I’m guessing you didn’t read it very closely. Look in particular at the country-by-country list of LDS populations and do the math relative to past lists by Cumorah available online. You can figure out pretty quickly that that the LDS church has absolutely flat-lined in Europe and Asia and continues to represent a minuscule portion of populations.

    Here are the LDS percentages of populations in several of the countries listed in the newsletter you posted:

    England: 0.27%

    Bahrain: 0.01%

    Bermuda: 0.2%

    British Virgin Islands: 0.6%

    Burkina Faso: .000036%

    Chad: 0.00004%

    Gibraltar: 0.05%

    Greenland: 0.02%

    Kuwait: 0.008%

    Morocco: 0.0003%

    Northern Ireland: 0.29%

    Scotland: 0.5%

    Vietnam: 0.002%

    But, again, as my original post said, no one really knows what the LDS church membership figures are, as they aren’t open to inspection.

  • Tornogal

    David,

    I have no “axe to grind.” This is a discussion board. I am discussing. It’s what people do here. If my posts bother you, please do not read them.

    Of course no religious institutions have 100% of their people attending every week. But no one is suggesting that. What I suggested in my original post here is that while the LDS church says it has a million Mormons in Mexico, about one fifth that amount of people categorize themselves as Mormons. And that situation exists in many countries. To any reasonable person that would seem to indicate the LDS church is exaggerating its population, and I believe that to be the case.

    With respect to the Cumorah article you posted, I’m guessing you didn’t read it very closely. Look in particular at the country-by-country list of LDS populations and do the math relative to past lists by Cumorah available online. You can figure out pretty quickly that that the LDS church has absolutely flat-lined in Europe and Asia and continues to represent a minuscule portion of populations.

    Here are the LDS percentages of populations in several of the countries listed in the newsletter you posted:

    England: 0.27%

    Bahrain: 0.01%

    Bermuda: 0.2%

    British Virgin Islands: 0.6%

    Burkina Faso: .000036%

    Chad: 0.00004%

    Gibraltar: 0.05%

    Greenland: 0.02%

    Kuwait: 0.008%

    Morocco: 0.0003%

    Northern Ireland: 0.29%

    Scotland: 0.5%

    Vietnam: 0.002%

    But, again, as my original post said, no one really knows what the LDS church membership figures are, as they aren’t open to inspection.

  • Tornogal

    David,

    I have no “axe to grind.” This is a discussion board. I am discussing. It’s what people do here. If my posts bother you, please do not read them.

    Of course no religious institutions have 100% of their people attending every week. But no one is suggesting that. What I suggested in my original post here is that while the LDS church says it has a million Mormons in Mexico, about one fifth that amount of people categorize themselves as Mormons. And that situation exists in many countries. To any reasonable person that would seem to indicate the LDS church is exaggerating its population, and I believe that to be the case.

    With respect to the Cumorah article you posted, I’m guessing you didn’t read it very closely. Look in particular at the country-by-country list of LDS populations and do the math relative to past lists by Cumorah available online. You can figure out pretty quickly that that the LDS church has absolutely flat-lined in Europe and Asia and continues to represent a minuscule portion of populations.

    Here are the LDS percentages of populations in several of the countries listed in the newsletter you posted:

    England: 0.27%

    Bahrain: 0.01%

    Bermuda: 0.2%

    British Virgin Islands: 0.6%

    Burkina Faso: .000036%

    Chad: 0.00004%

    Gibraltar: 0.05%

    Greenland: 0.02%

    Kuwait: 0.008%

    Morocco: 0.0003%

    Northern Ireland: 0.29%

    Scotland: 0.5%

    Vietnam: 0.002%

    But, again, as my original post said, no one really knows what the LDS church membership figures are, as they aren’t open to inspection.

  • Tornogal

    David,

    I have no “axe to grind.” This is a discussion board. I am discussing. It’s what people do here. If my posts bother you, please do not read them.

    Of course no religious institutions have 100% of their people attending every week. But no one is suggesting that. What I suggested in my original post here is that while the LDS church says it has a million Mormons in Mexico, about one fifth that amount of people categorize themselves as Mormons. And that situation exists in many countries. To any reasonable person that would seem to indicate the LDS church is exaggerating its population, and I believe that to be the case.

    With respect to the Cumorah article you posted, I’m guessing you didn’t read it very closely. Look in particular at the country-by-country list of LDS populations and do the math relative to past lists by Cumorah available online. You can figure out pretty quickly that that the LDS church has absolutely flat-lined in Europe and Asia and continues to represent a minuscule portion of populations.

    Here are the LDS percentages of populations in several of the countries listed in the newsletter you posted:

    England: 0.27%

    Bahrain: 0.01%

    Bermuda: 0.2%

    British Virgin Islands: 0.6%

    Burkina Faso: .000036%

    Chad: 0.00004%

    Gibraltar: 0.05%

    Greenland: 0.02%

    Kuwait: 0.008%

    Morocco: 0.0003%

    Northern Ireland: 0.29%

    Scotland: 0.5%

    Vietnam: 0.002%

    But, again, as my original post said, no one really knows what the LDS church membership figures are, as they aren’t open to inspection.

  • Tornogal

    David,

    I have no “axe to grind.” This is a discussion board. I am discussing. It’s what people do here. If my posts bother you, please do not read them.

    Of course no religious institutions have 100% of their people attending every week. But no one is suggesting that. What I suggested in my original post here is that while the LDS church says it has a million Mormons in Mexico, about one fifth that amount of people categorize themselves as Mormons. And that situation exists in many countries. To any reasonable person that would seem to indicate the LDS church is exaggerating its population, and I believe that to be the case.

    With respect to the Cumorah article you posted, I’m guessing you didn’t read it very closely. Look in particular at the country-by-country list of LDS populations and do the math relative to past lists by Cumorah available online. You can figure out pretty quickly that that the LDS church has absolutely flat-lined in Europe and Asia and continues to represent a minuscule portion of populations.

    Here are the LDS percentages of populations in several of the countries listed in the newsletter you posted:

    England: 0.27%

    Bahrain: 0.01%

    Bermuda: 0.2%

    British Virgin Islands: 0.6%

    Burkina Faso: .000036%

    Chad: 0.00004%

    Gibraltar: 0.05%

    Greenland: 0.02%

    Kuwait: 0.008%

    Morocco: 0.0003%

    Northern Ireland: 0.29%

    Scotland: 0.5%

    Vietnam: 0.002%

    But, again, as my original post said, no one really knows what the LDS church membership figures are, as they aren’t open to inspection.

  • Tornogal

    David,

    I have no “axe to grind.” This is a discussion board. I am discussing. It’s what people do here. If my posts bother you, please do not read them.

    Of course no religious institutions have 100% of their people attending every week. But no one is suggesting that. What I suggested in my original post here is that while the LDS church says it has a million Mormons in Mexico, about one fifth that amount of people categorize themselves as Mormons. And that situation exists in many countries. To any reasonable person that would seem to indicate the LDS church is exaggerating its population, and I believe that to be the case.

    With respect to the Cumorah article you posted, I’m guessing you didn’t read it very closely. Look in particular at the country-by-country list of LDS populations and do the math relative to past lists by Cumorah available online. You can figure out pretty quickly that that the LDS church has absolutely flat-lined in Europe and Asia and continues to represent a minuscule portion of populations.

    Here are the LDS percentages of populations in several of the countries listed in the newsletter you posted:

    England: 0.27%

    Bahrain: 0.01%

    Bermuda: 0.2%

    British Virgin Islands: 0.6%

    Burkina Faso: .000036%

    Chad: 0.00004%

    Gibraltar: 0.05%

    Greenland: 0.02%

    Kuwait: 0.008%

    Morocco: 0.0003%

    Northern Ireland: 0.29%

    Scotland: 0.5%

    Vietnam: 0.002%

    But, again, as my original post said, no one really knows what the LDS church membership figures are, as they aren’t open to inspection.

  • also a missionary, to the lost

    You might want to talk to people in Tonga. As a nation, it is 95 per cent Christian, and yet the Mormons have gone there for years, converting Christians to Mormon belief. Better to go to Middle East where NO Mormons are spreading their “gospel”. In Russia, they actually stand outside Russian churches and “evangelize” members of the church as they walk out. But, what do you expect a cult to do?

  • Douglas

    I will not argue this. But, what I say is that their enthusiasm is from believing something that is not real. Any teaching about a man called Jesus as holy is blasphemy to God. Whether you call it God, or whatever, something had to start it all. That I can accept. But, a Jesus concept is too far out in left field.

  • The Truth 1962

    There are only two teachings in this world: You are saved by works, or by Grace. LDS and 95% of other beliefs throughout time believe that people earn their “worthiness” or paradise. The other 5% follow the Bible, which says people are only saved by Grace and Faith. Unfortunately, there is money to be made when you mandate behavior and make rules for membership in a belief. The sacrifice of Jesus and his substitute for us, is what saves us. Not how “good” a sinful person can be.

  • Mark

    I just love reading “the peace of Christ which passes all understanding” and the “fruits of the Spirit which are love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, gentleness, and self-control – against which there is no law” on boards like these. This time it’s those AWFUL Mormons versus those AWFUL Christians (“awful” being defined by whichever side you happen to support).

    Here are your weapons: “telling the loving truth that God hates you but God loves us”, self-righteousness, contempt, rivalries, divisions, hatred, malice, strife, sanctified slander, backbiting, haughtiness, boasfulness and the perennial favorite “loving the sinner and hating the sin” — you know, all the things mentioned in Galatians 5:19-21 and Romans 1:29-32. Have at it, guys. Knock yourselves out.