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NYPD officer killings expose rift between police and mayor

Pervaiz Shallwani, a criminal justice reporter for the Wall Street Journal joins Hari Sreenivasan for the latest information about the murder of two NYPD officers in Brooklyn Saturday, Dec. 20.

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  • HARI SREENIVASAN:

      For the latest about the murder of those two New York City police officers, we’re joined now by Pervaiz Shallwani.  He’s the criminal justice reporter for The Wall Street Journal. So, what are the cops that you’re talking to saying right now?

  • PERVAIZ SHALLWANI:

      The top brass at the police department are telling officers, you know, that they need to do their jobs and not to take to social media, and to, you know — and to mourn in peace. But there are unions out there who are expressing, you know, a very different sentiment.

  • HARI SREENIVASAN:

      So, the police department’s union, or a couple of them actually even went out of their way to say, don’t make arrests unless absolutely necessary, and don’t go out and respond to any crime unless you have got backup with another car.

  • PERVAIZ SHALLWANI:

      There has been some rumor.  That hasn’t come out, you know, as an official statement, but there has been sort of behind-the-scenes rumblings about that.

  • HARI SREENIVASAN:

      OK.

    And so — but we have also seen former officials, the former Mayor Rudy Giuliani that we quoted earlier in the story, but also the former governor of New York, Governor Pataki, really laying the blame squarely on the mayor’s office and all of the protesters.

  • PERVAIZ SHALLWANI:

      Yes.

    There have been — definitely been some dissenting voices, what — political, as well as former NYPD, telling — saying that this is — this is becoming a rift between the mayor’s office and the police department.

  • HARI SREENIVASAN:

      And how about the connections to what happened in Baltimore?

  • PERVAIZ SHALLWANI:

      At this point, police have determined that — that the suspect had shot an ex-girlfriend at about 5:45, 6:00 in the morning, and then a few, several hours later, learned that he had made postings on Instagram saying that he was looking to kill police officers.

    They were able to determine by cell phone that he was in New York City and had sent — as well as sent out — and reached out to the NYPD as well, sent out a wanted poster to the NYPD that reached the NYPD right as the shooting was occurring.

  • HARI SREENIVASAN:

      So, the Baltimore Police Department got the message to the NYPD, just too late?

  • PERVAIZ SHALLWANI:

      Not necessarily too late.

  • They got — the first connection, it sounds like, between the Baltimore Police Department and the NYPD was about 2:

    10.  By the time there was a wider connection and in — sent out department-wide, it was about 2:45.  And the shooting happened at about 2:47, so it was happening right as — as this was — as this was occurring.

  • HARI SREENIVASAN:

      So, what do we know so far about the suspect?

  • PERVAIZ SHALLWANI:

      At this point, we know the suspect has an extensive criminal history in Georgia, had spent some time in jail.  He’s originally from Brooklyn and appears to have been moving around quite a bit over the last several weeks.

  • HARI SREENIVASAN:

      In that criminal past, any violent history?

  • PERVAIZ SHALLWANI:

      There’s quite a bit of a violent history.

    There’s also — there’s also reports out there that he has a mental health history.  The history includes everything from — from terroristic threats, as well as a past gun possession charge, I believe.

  • HARI SREENIVASAN:

      All right, Pervaiz Shallwani from The Wall Street Journal, thanks so much.

  • PERVAIZ SHALLWANI:

      Thank you.

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