By — Nick Schifrin Nick Schifrin By — Dan Sagalyn Dan Sagalyn By — Teresa Cebrián Aranda Teresa Cebrián Aranda By — Zeba Warsi Zeba Warsi Leave your feedback Share Copy URL https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/whats-next-for-france-after-far-right-wins-big-in-1st-round-of-snap-elections Email Facebook Twitter LinkedIn Pinterest Tumblr Share on Facebook Share on Twitter Transcript Audio France is closer than ever in its modern history to being governed by the far-right. Parliamentary elections are the country’s most consequential in decades and will have implications across Europe and for the United States. Nick Schifrin discussed the first round of voting and what comes next with Celia Belin, senior policy fellow at the European Council on Foreign Relations. Read the Full Transcript Notice: Transcripts are machine and human generated and lightly edited for accuracy. They may contain errors. Amna Nawaz: Today, France is closer than it's ever been in its modern history to being governed by the far right.Parliamentary elections that began on Sunday are the country's most consequential in decades and will have implications across Europe and the United States.Nick Schifrin is here with that story — Nick. Nick Schifrin: Amna, the far right National Rally received more than 10 million votes, double the number it has ever received before. Its longtime leader, Marine Le Pen, celebrated last night. Marine Le Pen, President, National Rally Party (through interpreter): It's a form of great emancipation for the people. They're taking back their freedom. They are determined to defend themselves against political powers that have hurt them, that weakened them, that ruined them. Nick Schifrin: But France's parliamentary elections are two rounds, and, today, Le Pen's opponents, the New Popular Front, a left-wing coalition, and the party of French President Emmanuel Macron could adjust their candidates and still have the possibility of blocking France's first far right government since World War II.For more on this, we turn to Celia Belin, senior policy fellow at the European Council on Foreign Relations.Celia Belin, thank you very much. Welcome to the "NewsHour."Why did the National Rally do so well?Celia Belin, Senior Policy Fellow, European Council on Foreign Relations: It was a foregone conclusion. When Emmanuel Macron, President Macron, decided to call for a snap election, the National Rally had just come out of a great victory from its European elections.The reality is that the National Rally has been gaining strength very much over the past two years, mostly because a larger part of France is agreeing on the substance with them. And then an even larger part of France probably is tired with this government and President Macron himself. Nick Schifrin: Macron will remain the president, but if National Rally were able to secure a majority and hold the prime ministership and many Cabinet ministers, what would be their platform and what would they be able to accomplish? Celia Belin: So their platform cannot be further from the platform of Emmanuel Macron.Let me remind you that he's a pro-European, liberal, centrist, versus this National Rally party, Rassemblement National, that is a nationalistic populist in nature, protectionist in nature very much, anti-European, anti-NATO.And, therefore, the platform that the prime minister is going to push forward, probably some initiatives on immigration, initiatives on purchasing power, will certainly clash very soon with President Macron's own perspectives. Nick Schifrin: Marine Le Pen inherited what was then the National Front from her father, who was a well-known antisemite who was convicted on racist language.Is she and her party different from Jean-Marie Le Pen and his party? Celia Belin: They are different in one way. Marine Le Pen has made the decisions years ago, already 15 years ago, that she wanted to de-demonize her party to make it appear, at least on the surface, like a regular mainstream, albeit radical right, party, but someone that could be in a position to govern at some point.However, her ideology, the content of her policies, those have not changed. She's still pushing forward anti-immigration, anti-foreigner policies. She's still fundamentally anti-European, anti-American as well, I must say. Her platform remained this nationalistic populist radical right platform. Nick Schifrin: Explain the mechanics of what, to Americans, might seem a complex process for this second round. Could Le Pen and the National Rally still be blocked from a parliamentary majority? Celia Belin: In this election, you can either win in the first round if you are above 50 percent of the vote immediately, or you make it to the second round, which usually is two adversaries fighting each other, sometimes three.So, if you have three candidates, there's been a call for all forces outside of the far right to make an agreement that the one that's in third position should drop out, so that it becomes a dual, instead of a triangle, because, in a dual, maybe the National Rally is not as strong.So this will be the conversation of the week. Who will drop out of the race? And it's going to be the talk of the week, and it will surely have a strong influence on the results on Sunday. Nick Schifrin: One of the topics that American officials are most concerned about, of course, is French support for Ukraine and opposition to Russia.Would the National Rally reduce bilateral French support or perhaps even NATO support for Ukraine or perhaps weaken some of the West's punishments on Russia? Celia Belin: So, for the moment, support for Ukraine is pretty strong in the French population. And the National Rally will probably stay the course for the moment, because they know how much President Macron cares about it. They know how much the rest of Europe cares about.And so it might not be the first fight that they fight. And they may want to wait out to see whether President Trump makes it back into the White House, and maybe he will be the one imposing a change on Ukraine policy to the transatlantic allies.And in that case, the far right National Rally will be more than happy to join him into pushing negotiations, lifting sanctions, and eventually maybe even returning to relationships with Russia. Nick Schifrin: Celia Belin, European Council on Foreign Relations, thank you very much. Celia Belin: Thank you. Listen to this Segment Watch Watch the Full Episode PBS NewsHour from Jul 01, 2024 By — Nick Schifrin Nick Schifrin Nick Schifrin is PBS NewsHour’s Foreign Affairs and Defense Correspondent. He leads NewsHour’s daily foreign coverage, including multiple trips to Ukraine since the full-scale invasion, and has created weeklong series for the NewsHour from nearly a dozen countries. The PBS NewsHour series “Inside Putin’s Russia” won a 2017 Peabody Award and the National Press Club’s Edwin M. Hood Award for Diplomatic Correspondence. In 2020 Schifrin received the American Academy of Diplomacy’s Arthur Ross Media Award for Distinguished Reporting and Analysis of Foreign Affairs. He was a member of the NewsHour teams awarded a 2021 Peabody for coverage of COVID-19, and a 2023 duPont Columbia Award for coverage of Afghanistan and Ukraine. Prior to PBS NewsHour, Schifrin was Al Jazeera America's Middle East correspondent. He led the channel’s coverage of the 2014 war in Gaza; reported on the Syrian war from Syria's Turkish, Lebanese and Jordanian borders; and covered the annexation of Crimea. He won an Overseas Press Club award for his Gaza coverage and a National Headliners Award for his Ukraine coverage. From 2008-2012, Schifrin served as the ABC News correspondent in Afghanistan and Pakistan. In 2011 he was one of the first journalists to arrive in Abbottabad, Pakistan, after Osama bin Laden’s death and delivered one of the year’s biggest exclusives: the first video from inside bin Laden’s compound. His reporting helped ABC News win an Edward R. Murrow award for its bin Laden coverage. Schifrin is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and a board member of the Overseas Press Club Foundation. He has a Bachelor’s degree from Columbia University and a Master of International Public Policy degree from the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS). @nickschifrin By — Dan Sagalyn Dan Sagalyn As the deputy senior producer for foreign affairs and defense at the PBS NewsHour, Dan plays a key role in helping oversee and produce the program’s foreign affairs and defense stories. His pieces have broken new ground on an array of military issues, exposing debates simmering outside the public eye. @DanSagalyn By — Teresa Cebrián Aranda Teresa Cebrián Aranda Teresa is a Producer on the Foreign Affairs & Defense Unit at PBS NewsHour. She writes and produces daily segments for the millions of viewers in the U.S. and beyond who depend on PBS NewsHour for timely, relevant information on the world’s biggest issues. She’s reported on authoritarianism in Latin America, rising violence in Haiti, Egypt’s crackdown on human rights, Israel’s judicial reforms and China’s zero-covid policy, among other topics. Teresa also contributed to the PBS NewsHour’s coverage of the war in Ukraine, which was named recipient of a duPont-Columbia Award in 2023, and was part of a team awarded with a Peabody Award for the NewsHour’s coverage of the Israel-Hamas war. By — Zeba Warsi Zeba Warsi Zeba Warsi is a foreign affairs producer, based in Washington DC. She's a Columbia Journalism School graduate with an M.A. in Political journalism. She was one of the leading members of the NewsHour team that won the 2024 Peabody award for News for our coverage of the war in Gaza and Israel. @Zebaism