FOUNDATION.

>> THIS WEEK ON TO THE CONTRARY... FIRST, BEIJING PLUS 20.

PROGRESS AND GAPS FOR WOMEN AND GIRLS TWO DECADES AFTER THE LANDMARK CONFERENCE.

THEN, THE DEBATE OVER WHAT HILLARY CLINTON HAS DONE FOR WOMEN.

AND THE WAR ON WOMEN.

IS IT ONGOING OR IS IT OVER?

[♪♪♪] >> HELLO I'M BONNIE ERBE WELCOME TO THE CONTRARY A DISCUSSION OF NEWS AND SOCIAL TRENDS FROM DIVERSE PERSPECTIVES.

UP FIRST, BEIJING PLUS 20 AND THE U.N. COMMISSION ON THE STATUS OF WOMEN.

THE TWO-WEEK CONFERENCE CAME TO A CLOSE THIS WEEK WITH A RENEWED COMMITMENT TO ACHIEVE GENDER EQUALITY IN NATIONS AROUND THE WORLD.

>> WE WANT EQUALITY.

WHEN DO WE WANT IT?

>> THOUSANDS OF WOMEN AND MEN MARCHED THROUGH THE STREETS OF NEW YORK TO COMMEMORATE INTERNATIONAL WOMEN'S DAY.

INTERNATIONAL POLITICAL LEADERS AND DIRECTORS OF GRASSROOTS NON-GOVERNMENTAL ORGANIZATIONS OR NGOS MET TO REVIEW HOW WOMEN MADE PROGRESS OR NOT TOWARD GENDER PARITY.

THAT IN THE 20 YEARS SINCE THE 1995 U.N. BEIJING CONFERENCE AND ITS DECLARATION AND PLATFORM FOR ACTION.

IT IS SEEN AS THE KEY GLOBAL POLICY DOCUMENT ON GENDER EQUALITY.

U.N. WOMEN HOSTED A GALA.

STEP IT UP FOR GENDER EQUALITY TO MARK THE 20TH ANNIVERSARY.

FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE HILLARY CLINTON TOLD THE AUDIENCE AN IDEA ONCE CONSIDERED GROUNDBREAKING IS NOW ROUTINE.

>> IT IS NO LONGER ACCEPTABLE TO DISCUSS WOMEN'S RIGHTS AS SEPARATE FROM HUMAN RIGHTS.

>> THIS ANNIVERSARY, 20 YEARS SINCE THE FOURTH WORLD CONFERENCE ON WOMEN IN BEIJING IS A MOMENT TO CELEBRATE OUR PROGRESS BUT ALSO TO RECOMMIT OURSELVES TO THE WORK AHEAD.

BECAUSE WE KNOW WE REALLY AREN'T THERE YET.

>> WOMEN IN THE UNITED STATES ARE BEING ECONOMICALLY SMOTHERED.

>> THAT MESSAGE FROM ACADEMY AWARD WINNER ACTOR PATRICIA ARQUETTE WHO SAID WE ARE NOT THERE YET IN THE UNITED STATES.

ON EQUAL PAY OR GENDER EQUALITY.

>> AND LET'S JOIN THE 175 COUNTRIES IN MAKING SEX EQUALITY A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT BY TIMELY PASSING THE EQUAL RIGHTS AMENDMENT IN THIS COUNTRY.

>> WOMEN ACTIVISTS WHO HAD BEEN AT THE BEIJING CONFERENCE 20 YEARS AGO CAME TO THE UNITED NATIONS LAST WEEK AND BROUGHT YOUNG WOMEN WHO WILL CONTINUE THE FIGHT FOR PARITY.

>> I'VE HAD INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN FROM WORLD LEADERS AND NGOS ET CETERA BUT I'M HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT GIRLS' VOICES ARE HEARD AND WE DON'T LEAVE GIRLS OUT OF IMPLEMENTATION OF THE BEIJING ACTION PLATFORM IN THE NEXT 20 YEARS.

>> THE U.S. MISSION TO THE U.N., THE FEMINIST MAJORITY FOUNDATION AND GIRLS LEARN INTERNATIONAL HELD AN INTERGENERATIONAL DIALOGUE TO SHAPE AN AGENDA FOR EQUALITY LOOKING FORWARDMENT I HAD THE HONOR TO SPEAK ON A PANEL THAT INCLUDED LEADERS WHO ATTENDED THE BEIJING CONFERENCE AND WOMEN WHO WERE NOT BORN 20 YEARS AGO.

U.S. REPRESENTATIVE CAROLYN MALONEY LED THE U.S. DELEGATION TO BEIJING.

>> BEIJING WAS SO EXCITING AND WE CAME OUT WITH OUR PLATFORM FOR ACTION AND TODAY WE ARE AT THE UNITED NATIONS REVIEWING WHAT WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED AND WHAT LIES AHEAD AND SOME THINGS HAVE NOT CHANGED.

WE ARE AMONG TWO COUNTRIES THAT HAVE NOT RATIFIED CEDAW, A COMPREHENSIVE AGREEMENT TO PROTECT WOMEN AND GIVE THEM EDUCATION AND HEALTHCARE TOTALLY NON-CONTROVERSIAL.

WHY CAN'T WE RATIFY THAT IMPORTANT TREATY FOR WOMEN OF THE WORLD?

AND SECONDLY, WOMEN'S RIGHTS, EQUALITY.

WE ARE AMONG 32 COUNTRIES DO NOT HAVE AN EQUAL RIGHTS AMENDMENT.

>> REPRESENTATIVE MALONE ANY SAYS AS IN THE PAST MUCH CHANGE MAY TAKE PLACE AT THE GRASSROOTS LEVEL.

>> IN CHANGING WOMEN'S ROLES AND THEIR RIGHTS IT'S VERY MUCH DEPENDENT ON INDEPENDENT NGOS WHICH WE HAD IN BEIJING.

AND WHEN YOU ARE DEPENDENT ON THE NGOS IT'S BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT DOING IT.

IF THE GOVERNMENT WILL NOT ACT, THE WOMEN'S GROUPS ARE ACTING TO HELP OTHER WOMEN WE ARE MAKING PROGRESS.

>> WELCOME TO THE PANEL AND AS THE HEAD OF A MAJOR NGO HOW FAR HAVE WE COME IN 20 YEARS?

>> AS WOMEN ACROSS THE GLOBE WE HAVE COME A LONG DISTANCE, I WOULD SAY.

>> THERE HAVE BEEN STRIDES IN EDUCATION, HEALTH AND WELL-BEING OF WOMEN BUT IF YOU LOOK AT CERTAIN COUNTRIES WOMEN ARE NO BETTER OFF THAN THEY WERE 20 YEARS AGO.

>> NO REASON TO BRING OUT THE CHAMPAGNE IN THE U.S. NOT UNTIL WE HAVE AN EQUAL RIGHTS AMENDMENT.

>> WE HAVE COME A LONG WAY BUT WE HAVE A LONG WAYS TO GO I WILL AGREE.

AND WE NEED TO GET WOMEN'S GROUPS TAKING ABOUT THINGS MORE.

>> I WANT TO GET TO ALL THE ISSUES THAT CAME OUT IN THE CLINTON-GATES REPORT ABOUT DATA ON WHERE WOMEN ARE AND WHY WE ARE BEHIND.

FIRST, I WANT TO START WITH THE UNITED STATES BECAUSE I DID COVER BAY NING '95 AND THERE WAS NO QUESTION WE WERE THE WORLD'S LEADER ON WOMEN'S ISSUES.

THERE WAS NO BETTER COUNTRY TO LIVE IN THAN THE UNITED STATES AS A WOMAN IF YOU WANTED TO GET AN EDUCATION AND GET AHEAD.

NOW WE ARE NUMBER 20 ACCORDING TO THE WORLD ECONOMIC FORUM.

WHY HAS THAT HAPPENED?

>> SOME THINGS THAT FOLKS DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE EVERYDAY AFFORDABILITY AND LONG-TERM FINANCIAL SECURITY IS NOT GREAT.

AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH OUR TAXATION SYSTEM AND SOME OF THE JOBS THAT WERE HELD BY WOMEN AND NOW LESS AVAILABLE AND I THINK ON THE BROADER SCALE IT'S BECAUSE WOMEN IN OTHER COUNTRIES HAVE PROGRESSED.

YES WE WERE NUMBER ONE BUT IF WE HAVE TO SLIDE A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE OTHER COUNTRIES ARE COMING UP AND SEEING THE SAME DEMOCRATIC AND IMPROVEMENTS THAT OUR WOMEN HAVE ENJOYED WE SHOULD CELEBRATE THAT.

BUT THE LAST 20 YEARS WE HAVE HAD 12 OF THE 20 YEARS HAVE BEEN DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTS AND THE QUESTION FALLS TO THEM.

THEY RUN ON A GENDER CENTRIC, WAR ON WOMEN AND THEY GET THERE AND HERE IS WHERE WE ARE.

>> I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE WAYS WE ARE DEALING WITH ECONOMIC SECURITY ISSUES WE ARE FAR BEHIND.

WE ARE ONE OF THE HANDFUL OF THE COUNTRIES THAT HAS NO PAID LEAVE FOR PARENTS, MOTHER OR FATHER AS A NATIONAL POLICY.

WE HAVE UP THERE WITH OMAN AND OTHER COUNTRIES.

THERE IS NO COUNTRY THAT A DEVELOPED COUNTRY THAT DOESN'T HAVE THOSE POLICIES.

>> BUT IF YOU BREAKDOWN THE WEST WHICH I REFER TO BECAUSE IT'S THE ONE THAT ECONOMIC FORUM GENDER PARITY INDEX WE ARE FINE ON HEALTH AND -- IN TERMS OF COMPARISON TO OTHER COUNTRIES WHERE WE ARE BAD IS WOMEN IN ELECTED OFFICE, NATIONAL ELECTED OFFICE AND WOMEN'S PARTICIPATION IN BUSINESS.

>> RIGHT.

AND WOMEN'S LEADERSHIP AT LARGE.

AND ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WE MAKE IT SO DIFFICULT FOR WOMEN TO BALANCE WORK AND FAMILY THAT WOMEN COME OUT OF THE WORKFORCE AND DO NOT REATTACH THAT THE SAME RATE THAT MEN DO AND WOMEN DO IN OTHER COUNTRIES.

THAT IS ONE OF THE CHALLENGES.

IT'S HARD TO MOVE UP THE LADDER IF YOU HAVE TO COME OUT AND YOU CANNOT COME BACK IN.

I THINK WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE BROADEN THE LENS AND RECOGNIZE ISSUES LIKE PAID LEAVE, SICK DAYS.

ACTUALLY AFFECT WOMEN'S ADVANCEMENT AND THAT IS ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WE'RE FACING.

>> WE LAG SO FAR IN LEADERSHIP SPEAKING ON THAT TOPIC WE HAVE SO FEW WOMEN IN POSITIONS OF POWER IN THE UNITED STATES.

>> 20% OF THE CONGRESS.

>> INDEED.

AND FEW WOMEN LEGISLATORS THAT IS A PROBLEM ESPECIALLY AS THE OTHER COUNTRIES ARE COMING UP AND PUTTING THEIR WOMEN AT THE TOP.

>> WHAT IS THE SOLUTION?

>> AWARENESS ABOUT IT GETTING MORE WOMEN TO RUN.

THERE ARE INITIATIVES THAT I'M PROUD TO BE A PART OF.

ASKING WOMEN AROUND YOU TO RECONSIDER BECAUSE YOU HAVE HAD A CHILD DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO STAY AT HOME.

YOU WITH RUN AND ENTER CONGRESS.

>> OUR MORAL OBLIGATION TO HAVE WOMEN IN LEADERSHIP PARITY IS AS GREAT AS THE OBLIGATION TO RAISE THE MINIMUM WAGE AND MAKE LIFE BETTER FOR WOMEN.

>> I ASKED THE QUESTION HERE.

HOW MUCH OF OUR FALLING BEHIND IS DUE TO THE CHRISTIAN RIGHT INFLUENCE IN AMERICAN POLITICS?

I KNOW YOU WILL SCOFF AT IT.

>> COULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT?

>> A TON.

>> ISSUES OUTSIDE OF REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS YOU HAVE THE VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN ACT WAS STALLED REPEATEDLY BY THE RIGHT.

IN RECENT SESSIONS YOU HAVE PAY EQUITY THAT HAS BROAD SUPPORT.

>> THESE ARE GREAT TALKING POINTS.

>> HOLD ON.

YOU HAVE 80% OF VOTERS AGREEING WE SHOULD HAVE A PAYCHECK FAIRNESS ACT AND YOU HAVE REPUBLICANS REFUSING TO BRING THAT TO THE FLOOR.

THAT IS IMPORTANT.

>> AND REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS.

AND CRISIS IN THIS COUNTRY.

231 -- 231 NEW LAWS IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS RESTRICTING THE RIGHT TO ABORTION IN THIS COUNTRY.

THERE HAS BEEN AN UPTICK AND -- >> AND THEY RAN AND THIS.

EVERYBODY WHO IS FOR REASONABLE RESTRICTIONS OF ABORTION ON DEMAND WE WILL OPPOSE ANY -- EXCUSE ME IT IS.

THERE IS NO -- [ALL TALKING AT ONCE] [INAUDIBLE] >> SHE HAD THREE MANIPULATES TO ATTACK THEM.

PRO-LIFE DEMOCRATIC WOMEN IN THE COUNTRY.

WE CAN SIT HERE ALL DAY BECAUSE THEY DO NOT EXIST ANYMORE.

AND THEY HAVE A COMFORTABLE PLACE IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

THERE ARE NO PRO-CHOICE WOMEN -- THERE ARE NO -- >> WAIT A SECOND.

I DON'T -- GENDER VIOLENCE.

A MAJOR ISSUE NOW INTERNATIONALLY.

WASN'T THERE 20 YEARS AGO.

WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THAT?

>> SOMEHOW FEMALE GENTLE MUTILATION EXISTS AND THAT TO ME IS CRAZY THAT TODAY WE ARE DEALING WITH THAT ISSUE WHERE WE THE UNITED STATES SHOULD HAVE LED THE WAY AND SAID THESE ATROCITIES SHOULD NOT BE PERMITTED ACROSS THE GLOBE AND THE NUMBERS SPEAK TO THE FACT THAT WE HAVE NOT DONE ENOUGH ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE PEOPLE ARE ADVOCATING FOR TAKING ON THE ISSUES BUT THERE IS NOT ENOUGH ATTENTION.

>> A GREAT ISSUE FOR THE FIRST LADY TO BRING UP.

>> WHEN SHE TRAVELED TO AFRICA SHE TALKED WITH GENITAL MUTILATION.

>> IT IS A QUESTION OF LEADERSHIP.

>> AND ALSO AT HOME.

THE CAMPUS RAPE, I WAS IN COLLEGE IN THE 70s.

NOBODY TALKED ABOUT IT.

I DON'T THINK IT WAS HAPPENING AND I ASKED GLORIA STEINEM WHY THIS EXPLOSION NOW?

>> I DON'T THINK IT WASN'T HAPPENING.

>> I ASKED HER WAS IT GOING ON THEN AND NOBODY TALKED ABOUT IT?

OR WAS IT NOT GOING ON AT THE LEVEL IT SEEMS TO BE GOING ON NOW?

AND SHE SAID NOBODY KNOWS THE ANSWER.

>> THAT IS RIGHT.

BUT WHAT IS INTERESTING AND DIFFERENT IS THAT PEOPLE ARE STEPPING OUT AND TALKING ABOUT THEIR EXPERIENCES AND IT'S EMBOLDENING OTHER PEOPLE AND WE SHOULD ENCOURAGE THAT.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

THE MORE WE TALK ABOUT VIOLENCE THE MORE WE WILL BE AWARE OF VIOLENCE SO IT IS A GOOD THING IF WE ARE BEING AWARE OF STATISTICS GOING ON.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS THERE'S RECENT NUMBERS OUT SHOWING AROUND THE WORLD HOW A NUMBER OF WOMEN ARE VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THE IDEA OF SPOUSAL ABUSE AND RELATIONSHIP ABUSE.

AND THIS GOES TO THE HEART WHY WE NEED TO CHANGE GENDER NORMS.

PART OF IT IS ADDRESSING CULTURE AND WORKING IN SCHOOLS AND FAITH BASED ORGANIZATIONS.

BUT IT ALSO HAS TO BE STRICTER LAWS AND MORE ENFORCEMENT OF THE LAWS WE HAVE ON THE BOOKS.

>> LET'S BE HONEST.

A FREE AND OPEN INTERNET GOT US TO WHERE WE ARE.

PEOPLE ARE MORE EMPOWERED AND THE RISE IN REPORTING IS DUE TO THE FACT THAT PEOPLE ARE FOLLOWING OTHER BEHAVIORS.

THEY ARE MODELING BEHAVIOR.

>> AND THE INTERNET IN THE U.S.

ANYWAY IS CLEARLY A FONT OF TRAFFICKING.

THAT IS A LARGE PART -- THAT IS HOW GIRLS ARE TRICKED INTO RELATIONSHIPS AND SMUGGLED FOR SEX TRAFFICKING.

>> AND NOW WE ARE IN AIRPORTS WALKING DOWN ESCALATORS AND SEEING BILLBOARDS SAYING THIS IS THE FACE OF SEX TRAFFICKING AND IT LOOKS LIKE A GIRL FROM ANYWHERE U.S.A. AND THAT IS IMPORTANT.

>> HUMAN TRAFFICKING IS HUGE AND IT DOES AFFECT IT'S EVERYBODY FROM THE BORED SPOILED RICH GIRL TO THE GIRL THAT DOESN'T KNOW HER PARENTS AND DID NOT HAVE EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES.

TALK ABOUT A BIPARTISAN ISSUE THAT NEED TO GIVE MORE VOICE SHOULD GO TO IT.

WHEN IT'S POLITICIZE TO DO HURTS THE WOMEN.

>> LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK.

FROM THE STATUS OF WOMEN TO HILLARY CLINTON'S ROLE AS A WOMEN'S ADVOCATE.

>> AND NOW CLOSER SCRUTINY ON A RELATED TOPIC, THE HILLARY DOCTRINE.

AS HILLARY CLINTON DEFINED HERSELF NAMED DOCTRINE IT IS THE QUOTE OF SUBJUGATION OF WOMEN IS TO THE NATIONAL SECURITY OF OUR COUNTRY.

CLINTON IS EXPECTED TO FORMALLY ANNOUNCE HER CANDY FOR THE PRESENCE SI NEXT MONTH.

AFTER IT WAS REVEALED THAT HER FAMILY FOUNDATION TOOK MONEY FROM SOME OF THE WORST PERPETRATORS OF JEN -- GENDER BIAS, INCLUDING KUWAIT, AND QATAR AND SAUDI ARABIA VOTERS ARE QUESTIONING WHAT SHE HAS DONE FOR WOMEN.

THE CLINTON FOUNDATION WEBSITE IS FILLED WITH INFORMATION ON PARTNERSHIPS WITH NGOS IT HAS MADE AND STORIES OF WOMEN IT HELPED ACCESS EDUCATION, AGRICULTURAL NECESSITIES AND A HOST OF OTHER DONATIONS.

SO, HAS SHE REALLY DONE HELPED WOMEN ALL OVER THE WORLD?

OR IS SHE JUST TALKING ABOUT IT?

>> I THINK SECRETARY AND FIRST LADY AND SENATOR CLINTON HAS HELPED SOME WOMEN AROUND THE WORLD.

BUT IF SHE IS GOING TO RUN A CAMPAIGN I THINK IT'S GOING TO FAIL BECAUSE WOMEN IN THIS COUNTRY DON'T JUST ASK YOU SHARE MY GENDER THAT IS INTERESTING AND UNIQUE AND A GOOD WAY TO GET YOUR POLL NUMBERS UP BUT AFTER A WHILE DO YOU SHARE MY VISION AND VALUES AND POSITION ON ISSUES AND THE BIGGEST PROBLEM DO YOU SHARE MY CONNECTIVE TISSUE?

AND I THINK PART OF WHY SHE GOT SO TRIPPED UP IN THE E-MAIL PRESS CONFERENCE WE HAD NOT HEARD FROM HER IN FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS.

I WOULD LOVE TO TELL YOU HER POLICIES ARE WRONG BUT I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY ARE.

SHE IS IN A CAVE AND COMES OUT AND THE ONLY TIME WE HEAR HER VOICE TO GIVE A $300,000 SPEECH WHICH IS WHAT AN AVERAGE UNMARRIED HOUSEHOLD MAKES IN FIVE YEARS.

>> IF YOU LOOK AT HER POLL NUMBERS WOMEN ARE AMONGST HER STRONGEST SUPPORTERS BECAUSE SHE HAS NOT BEEN SEALED.

PEOPLE HAVE SEEN HER FOR 20 YEARS AND FIGHT FOR CHILDCARE IN THE 90s AND 2000'S AND I'M SURE SHE WILL FIGHT FOR THAT IF SHE RUNS FOR PRESIDENT.

AND SHE WILL TALK ABOUT PAID LEAVE AND A SENATOR ADVOCATED FOR THEM AND AS FIRST LADY ADVOCATED FOR THEM.

SHE HAS A LONG RECORD BOTH IN THE UNITED STATES AND OF SECRETARY OF STATE AND IT MATTERS WHAT SHE DOES TO DESCRIBE HER VISIONCH I THINK PEOPLE WILL CONNECT WITH IT.

>> WHAT ABOUT THE FOUNDATION TAKING MONEY FROM SAUDI ARABIA AND QATAR AND THOSE COUNTRIES WHERE THE LAWS THE LAWS ARE AGAINST WOMEN.

>> WE'VE HAD PRESIDENTS FROM BOTH PARTIES GO TO SAUDI ARABIA AND LITERALLY OR FIGURATIVELY KISS THE RING OF THE SAUDI KING.

BOTH PARTIES PRESIDENT BUSH DID IT.

AND PEOPLE THOUGHT HE WAS ACCOMMODATING TO THE SAUDIS.

PRESIDENT OBAMA HAS VISITED SEVERAL TIMES.

SO AND THE SECRETARY OF STATE HILLARY HAD TO DEAL WITH THE SAUDIS.

SAUDI ARABIA IS CONSIDERED AN ALLY OF THE U.S >> WAIT.

OK.

BUT YOU RAISE A NUMBER OF POINTS.

FIRST OF ALL TAKING MONEY FROM THE SAUDIS WHILE SECRETARY OF STATE.

IF THAT TO ME PRESENTS A HUGE ETHICS PROBLEM.

AND SECONDLY THERE IS A REAL QUESTION: IF YOU ARE TAKING MONEY HOW CAN YOU ADVOCATE FOR WOMEN?

THEY ARE SO TERRIBLE TO THEIR WOMEN.

>> THIS IS A GREAT TEST BECAUSE IF SHE RUNS WHICH I ASSUME SHE WILL IF SHE RUNS FOR PRESIDENT YOU WILL SEE WHAT HER RECORD IS.

AND SECRETARY OF STATE.

WHATEVER HAPPENED WITH THE FOUNDATION SHE WENT TO THE SAUDIS AND CRITICIZED THEM ABOUT THEIR POLICIES.

SHE WAS VERY VOCAL.

THE MOST VOCAL SECRETARY OF STATE EVER ON WOMEN'S ISSUES AROUND THE GLOBE.

SO IF WE SAW A CONFLICT IT WOULD HAVE EXISTED ALREADY.

>> I SEE A HUGE PROBLEM HERE AS A SELF LABELED MODERATE WOMAN WATCHING HER AS FIRST LADY AND ADMIRING HER FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS I'M DISAPPOINTED AFTER THE E-MAIL SCANDAL.

>> LET ME -- EVERYBODY IS TALKING ABOUT.

>> I'M TALKING ABOUT THE SAUDIS.

>> WHOEVER IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY.

IF SHE CARES ABOUT THE BOTTOM LINE SHE CARES ABOUT GETTING PAID FOR SPEECHES AND RIDING ON JETS AND OUT OF TOUCH WITH THE AVERAGE AMERICAN WATCH THE.

>> I WILL TAKE HILLARY'S RECORD FIGHTING FOR THE AVERAGE WOMAN AGAINST ANY OTHER CANDIDATE.

SHE HAS BEEN A CHAMPION.

AND I THINK ACTUALLY THE PUBLIC WILL MEASURE HER BY WHAT SHE HAS DONE AND WHAT SHE WILL DO AND WHO SHE IS FIGHTING FOR.

IF YOU LOOK AT HER RECORD AND WHERE SHE HAS BEEN AND WHERE SHE WAS [INAUDIBLE] >> THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT HILLARY IS A FEMINIST ICON AND SHE CARES DEEPLY ABOUT WOMEN AROUND THE GLOBE AND HOME.

I WANT TO EXPRESS CONCERNS ABOUT AN AREA WHERE SHE IS NOT BEING VOCAL AND NEEDS TO BE AND THAT IS SPECIFICALLY ON ABORTION.

IS WHERE A FLAG COMES UP FOR ME.

SHE WAS HEADLINING AN EMILY'S LIST GALA.

SHE NEVER SAID THE WORD ABORTION ONCE.

MEANWHILE WE HAVE PEOPLE CROSSING THE MEXICO BORDER TO GET PILLS TO SELF ABORT BECAUSE OF THE LAWS AND WE HAVE A HUGE PROBLEM WHEN HERE IN ARKANSAS RECENTLY A HOUSE COMMITTEE PASSED A BILL USING HILLARY'S OWN WORDS OF SAFE AND RARE TO RESTRICT ACCESS TO MEDICATION ABORTIONS.

THIS IS AN AREA WHERE HER CAMPAIGN HAS A LOT OF ROOM TO GROW.

>> RIGHT NOW, RIGHT NOW, DON'T YOU THINK IT WOULD BE DANGEROUS FOR HER TO START TALKING ABOUT IT?

IT'S ONE THING DURING THE CAMPAIGN BUT LIKE REPUBLICANS WOULD AVOID ISSUES THAT ARE MINE FIELDS FOR THEM NO, WE ARE PRO-LIFE.

I THINK SHE THINKS YOU WILL BE THERE NO MATTER WHAT.

YOU MIGHT NOT AGREE.

BUT THERE ARE NO RESTRICTIONS.

>> NAME ONE RESTRICTION.

>> ONE TALKING AT A TIME, PLEASE.

>> THE JUDICIAL BYPASS FOR TEENS ET CETERA.

YOU KNOW, SEX SELECTION ABORTION?

YES OR NO?

>> HILLARY ADVOCATED AGAINST SEX SELECTION ABORTION AROUND THE WORLD.

AND SHE TALKED WITH IT AND GREAT SPEECH I'M GLAD YOU HAVE SEEN THEM.

>> WE ARE OUT OF TIME ON THAT TOPIC.

FROM HILLARY CLINTON TO WAR NO MORE.

>> IS THE SO-CALLED WAR ON WOMEN OVER OR RESURGING?

THIS WEEK DEMOCRAT ACCUSED THE G.O.P.

OF WAGING A WAR ON WOMEN FOR THE DELAY IN PASSING AN ANTI-TRAFFICKING BILL.

DEMOCRATS BLAME A REPUBLICAN BAN ON FEDERAL FUNDS FOR ABORTIONS HIDDEN IN THE BILL FOR THE DELAY.

THEY ARE FURIOUS OVER THE PROTRACTED CONFIRMATION HEARINGS OF LORETTA LYNCH WHO IS SLATED TO BECOME THE FIRST BLACK FEMALE ATTORNEY GENERAL.

AND REPUBLICANS INCLUDING KELLYANNE CONWAY AND SABRINA SCHAEFFER, AT AN EVENT TITLED WAR NO MORE SAID THE WAR IS OVER AND DO NOT EXPECT A REPEAT IN THE NEXT ELECTION.

POTENTIAL G.O.P.

PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE CARLY FIORINA CHARGED DEMOCRATS MARGINALIZE REPUBLICAN WOMEN.

>> EMILY'S LIST, THE PRO ABORTION WOMEN'S GROUP DESCRIBED JOANIE ERNST A SITTING SENATOR, A MOTHER, A WIFE, A VETERAN, AS WINDOW DRESSING.

>> OK.

SO FROM A PR PERSPECTIVE, A STRATEGIC PERSPECTIVE IF YOU HOLD A NEWS CONFERENCE AND SAY THE WAR IS OVER.

ISN'T THAT ADMITTING TO THE PUBLIC THAT THERE WAS A WAR?

AND THEN THERE CAN BE A DEBATE OVER WHETHER IT'S OVER OR NOT?

>> I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT.

I DON'T THINK THERE IS AN ADMISSION AND THIS IS THE DIALOGUE, THE WAR NO MORE PANEL.

I THINK IT WAS A PERFECTLY GOOD VENUE TO HAVE PEOPLE LIKE OUR LEADERS, KATHY ROGERS WHO HAS BEEN A CHAMPION OF WOMEN'S ISSUES WITHIN THE HOUSE AND IS THE CHAIR OF THE G.O.P.

CONFERENCE AND A DIALOGUE WHAT WE CAN BE CHAMPIONS FOR WOMEN'S ISSUES WHICH ARE EVERYONE'S ISSUES.

>> I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN.

UNFORTUNATELY THAT IS NOT THE REALITY.

THE WAR ON WOMEN IS SOMETHING THAT HAS EXISTED FOR A VERY LONG TIME AND IT'S VERY MUCH IN EFFECT.

AND THIS IDEA THAT IT'S STALE AND NOT GOING TO WORK, AND THE NEXT ELECTION CYCLE, WELL, THE REALITY IS THAT EVEN IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE RACES IN THE MOST RECENT ELECTION WHERE SENATE SEATS FROM LOST FROM DEMOCRATS TO REPUBLICANS THE MARGIN OF LOSS WAS SMALLER WHERE THERE WAS A HEAVIER MESSAGE FOCUSING ON WOMEN'S REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS, SPECIFICALLY NORTH CAROLINA.

THE TIDE WAS WITH THE REPUBLICANS AND THIS IS AN AREA WHERE THEY ARE VULNERABLE.

>> THERE WERE NO MORE THE REASON IT'S CALLED THAT IS TO SAY THAT THIS WHOLE CYNICAL PLOY TO TALK TO WOMEN FROM THE WAIST DOWN FAILED MISERABLY.

IT FAILED IN PLACES LIKE COLORADO WHETHER OR NOT DENVER POST WITHDREW THE ENDORSEMENT FROM SENATOR MARK USE DALL AND CALLED HIM MARK UTERUS.

HE GOT 39% OF THE MALE VOTE.

NOT ONLY IS COREY GARDNER THE SENATOR BECAUSE HE TOOK ON THIS ISSUE AND MEN REJECTED IT AND SAME THING WITH JOANIE.

FIRST WOMEN TO EVER REPRESENT IOWA IN CONGRESS A PRO-LIFE FEMALE REPUBLICAN WHO KEPT 40% OF THE MALE VOTE.

I THINK IF MRS. CLINTON RUNS ON THIS IN 2016 THIS ABORTION, IN THE CONTEXT OF THE PANEL THE OBSESSION WITH ABORTION WHEN IT'S NOT AN ISSUE THAT SHE RAISED IS SO MYOPIC IT'S ALMOST THE ONLY LANGUAGE THEY SPEAK.

>> I AGREE IF HILLARY RUNS OR IN THE DEMOCRATIC CONVERSATION IT WILL BE BROADER THAN CHOICE ISSUES.

BUT I THINK THIS WEEK WE SAW AN EXAMPLE HOW REPUBLICANS ARE FIXATED ON ABORTIONS SINCE THEY ARE HOLDING UP A SEX TRAFFICKING BILL BECAUSE OF ABORTION.

WHICH IS A BIPARTISAN BILL THEY ARE HOLDING THAT UP BECAUSE OF ABORTION LANGUAGE AND RESTRICTION BILLS HAVE BEEN AT THE TOP OF THE AGENDA.

IT'S NOT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY OBSESSED WITH ABORTION IT'S THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WHO HAVE A MAJORITY NOW AND WANT TO SNEAK ABORTION RESTRICTIONS IN BILLS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

>> 100 MILLION IN THE LAST ELECTION.

MITCH McCONNELL TAKE THE ABORTION LANGUAGE OUT AND PASS THE SEX TRAFFICKING BILL A BILL WHICH REPUBLICANS SUPPORTED BUT HE WILL NOT TAKE THE LANGUAGE OUT, WHY?

WHO IS OBSESSED WITH BORINGS THEN?

>> LOOKING FORWARD IN 2016, IS THIS BATTLE GOING TO KEEP GOING?

AND IT'S NOT JUST IN THE NATIONAL LEGISLATURE AND CONGRESS BUT AT THE STATE LEVEL AS ERIN MENTIONED THERE ARE THREE REPUBLICAN STATE LEGISLATURES THAT PASSED BILLS SAYING YOU CANNOT USE MEDICAL ABORTION, CHEMICAL ABORTIONS S THAT GOING TO KEEP GOING?

AND WILL IT BE A WINNER FOR WHICH PARTY?

>> NO PARTY IS GOING TO WIN ON THIS.

WHEN THERE'S HYPOCRITES ON BOTH SIDES AND WITH THE DEMOCRATS DOING SO THAT SAY BIG ISSUE.

>> WE ARE OUT OF TIME.

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