>> THIS WEEK ON TO THE CONTRARY... FIRST THE LANDSCAPE SHIFTS SOMEWHAT AMONG WOMEN VOTERS.

THEN GREEN PARTY CANDIDATE JILL STEIN'S PUSH TO OPEN THE DEBATE.

AND TRANSGENDER PREGNANCY AND HEALTHCARE.

[♪♪♪] >> HELLO I'M BONNIE ERBE WELCOME TO TO THE CONTRARY, A DISCUSSION OF NEWS AND SOCIAL TRENDS FROM DIVERSE PERSPECTIVES.

UP FIRST, THE WOMEN'S VOTE.

>> MOST NEW POLLS SHOW DONALD TRUMP'S NUMBERS IMPROVING.

A CNNORC POLL ARIZONA, TEXAS,COLCOP H COLORADO AND FLORIDA.

IT GIVES CLINTON A BIG ELECTORAL COLLEGE ADVANTAGE.

244 ELECTORAL VOTES AND 20 SHY OF THE 270 NEEDED TO WIN WHILE TRUMP WINS 126 ELECTORAL VOTES.

>> COULD TRUMP'S GAINS AMONG MARRIED WOMEN BE THE WORK OF HIS MANAGER POLLSTER TO THE TO THE CONTRARY PANELIST KELLY ANNE CONWAY?

SHE EARNED APPLAUDS FROM MEDIA AND ATTACKED BY DEMOCRATS FOR COMMENTS MADE ON TO THE CONTRARY ABOUT RAPE AND WOMEN IN THE MILITARY IN 2013.

TRUMP IS QUESTIONED AGAIN FOR A TWEET HE SENT IN 2013 BLAMING RAPE IN THE MILITARY ON MEN AND WOMEN LIVING TOGETHER.

IN A PRESIDENTIAL FORUM, TRUMP DEFENDED THE CLAIM SAYING IT WAS A QUOTE CORRECT TWEET.

>> WHY ARE MARRIED WOMEN MOVING TO THE TRUMP CAMP NOW?

>> WELL, THANKS TO KELLY ANNE SHE IS AN EXPERT ON THE PRO-LIFE AND PRO TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE MOVEMENT AND HAS THE GRASSROOTS BASE AND THEY ARE RALLYING UP THE VOTES FOR TRUMP.

>> I WILL BELIEVE IT WHEN I SEE IT.

I DO NOT THINK MARRIED WOMEN WILL GO WITH TRUMP BUT THEY MAY NOT TELL THEIR HUSBANDS.

>> THIS IS UP WITH MARRIED WOMEN FOR 49 YEARS, REGISTERED REPUBLICAN AND CONSERVATIVE WHO WILL NOT BE VOTING FOR DONALD TRUMP.

>> AFTER SEEING THREE HOURS OF DONALD TRUMP WITHOUT TELEPROMPTERS MARRIED WOMEN WILL COME BACK TO HILLARY.

>> THIS IS HISTORIC.

REPUBLICANS GOING BACK TO REAGAN HAVE WON WHITE MARRIED WOMEN.

THIS IS ALL MARRIED WOMEN.

ARE DEMOCRATS SCARED ABOUT THIS?

>> DONALD TRUMP IS NOT GOING TO WIN MARRIED WOMEN.

AND I THINK IT IS TRUE.

ONCE PEOPLE REALLY SEE THIS GUY ON TELEVISION AND SEE HIM IN THE DEBATES.

>> HOW MUCH TELEVISION DO WE HAVE TO SEE HIM ON?

>> WE ARE AFTER LABOR DAY AND COMING UP ON THE DEBATES.

NORMAL PEOPLE DO NOT PAY ATTENTION TO THE STUFF ALL THE TIME.

AND THAT IS CERTAINLY TRUE FOR WOMEN AND FOR MARRIED WOMEN AND THEY ARE GOING TO SEE A GUY WHO OVER AND OVER AGAIN YOU KNOW, SAYS THINGS ABOUT WOMEN THAT ARE COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE AND ESPECIALLY IN A PRESIDENT AND THEY WILL BE VOTING FOR HILLARY.

>> BUT THE PROBLEM IS HILLARY CLINTON IS THE PERSON HE IS RUNNING AGAINST.

AND SHE HAS A TRUST PROBLEM.

AND SHE HAS A PROBLEM -- >> SHE HAS A TRUST PROBLEM AND LET ME JUMP IN, THOUGH.

THERE WAS A HARVARD STUDY THAT SHOWED THAT SHE GOT TWICE AS MUCH NEGATIVE PUBLICITY AS HE DID UP UNTIL A POINT IN THE CAMPAIGN.

HOW DO YOU TEASE OUT WHAT YOU LIKE OR DON'T LIKE MAY LIKE OR DON'T LIKE ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON AS BEING SEXIST BEHAVIOR WHICH SHE HAS NOT POUNDED ON AT ALL.

AND THE FACT THAT SHE IS A FLAWED CANDIDATE BUT RUNNING AGAINST A MUCH MORE FLAWED CANDIDATE.

>> WELL, I THINK, THE ONE TRUST ISSUE THAT I THINK WORKS IN HER FAVOR IS THE NOTION THAT THIS IS A DANGEROUS WORLD WE LIVE IN AND FROM MY POINT OF VIEW AS I SAY IT IS A LONGTIME REPUBLICAN, I RAN AS A REPUBLICAN NOMINEE FOR THE SENATE.

I'VE BEEN ACTIVE AND WORKED IN THE REAGAN WHITE HOUSE BUT I CANNOT VOTE FOR TRUMP BECAUSE I REALLY DO BELIEVE THAT HE IS A THREAT TO THE UNITED STATES AND SO YOU KNOW, WHETHER I WILL END UP VOTING FOR HILLARY CLINTON, I HOPE NOT TO HAVE TO.

BUT IF THE POLLS KEEP CLOSING, I MAY END UP FEELING THAT IT'S MY RESPONSIBILITY TO DO THAT BECAUSE I THINK HE IS SO DANGEROUS.

>> I THINK KELLY ANNE HAS DONE A GOOD JOB OF GETTING DONALD TRUMP BACK ON TELEPROMPTERS WHICH HELPED BUT AS THE CONGRESSWOMAN SAID YOU WILL HAVE THREE HOURS IN THE DEBATES WHERE DONALD TRUMP WILL BE OFF SCRIPT AND IF THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF FORUM HE WILL SAY THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO REALIGN THE ELECTION A LITTLE BIT.

AND I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, MARRIED WOMEN WILL VOTE FOR HILLARY AND SHE IS GOING TO WIN THE ELECTION.

MAYBE NOT BY A LANDSLIDE BUT THERE'S BEEN CONVERSATION AROUND THAT CNN POLL BEING A FLAWED POLL.

>> NOW, WHAT DID YOU THINK ABOUT HIS TWEET THIS WEEK WHEN HE BASICALLY REAFFIRMED THE PROBLEM WITH SEXUAL ASSAULT IN THE MILITARY IS BROUGHT ON BY WOMEN BEING IN THE MILITARY AND MEN AND WOMEN SHARING QUARTERS?

>> SURE.

WELL, I ACTUALLY FROM ISLAMIC PERSPECTIVE I AGREE.

I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE PROCEDURES WITHIN THE MILITARY THAT SEPARATES THE WOMEN AND THE MEN FROM THE LIVING CONDITIONS THEY ARE IN.

WE HAVE HUGE SEXUAL ASSAULT PROBLEM AND LESS THAN 1% GET PROSECUTED AND CONVICTED.

>> ISN'T THAT A WAY OF SAYING THAT MEN CANNOT CONTROL THEMSELVES?

>> MAYBE.

IT MAY SOUND ABSURD BUT YOU KNOW, TRADITIONALLY, YOU KNOW THERE ARE RULES AND POLICIES.

IT'S BEST TO PROTECT THE WOMEN SERVING OUR NATION AND YOU KNOW WE SHOULD HAVE POLICIES WITHIN THE MILITARY THAT PROTECT AND DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN MEN AND WOMEN THEY HAVE EQUAL POTENTIAL FROM DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES AND WE SHOULD ADDRESS THAT.

>> SOMEWHAT TRUMP HAS GOING FOR HIM HE SAYS THINGS THAT PEOPLE SAY THEY ARE NOT POLITICALLY CORRECT BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK THEM.

AND THAT ACTUALLY BOOSTS HIS FAVORABILITY.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T LIKE POLITICAL CORRECTNESS FOR ITS OWN SAKE BUT HE CROSSES THE LINE.

HE GOES BEYOND BEING POLITICALLY CORRECT TO BEING INSULTING TO BEING DEMEANING, TO BEING RACIST, SEXIST ALL OF THE ABOVE.

>> I THINK THAT ESPECIALLY HIS VIEWS ON WOMEN IN THE MILITARY, I MEAN THAT IS LIKE SAYING IF YOU GO TO AN OFFICE AND MEN AND WOMEN SHARE QUARTERS AND CLOSE WORKING CONDITIONS ALL THE TIME THAT YOU BLAME WOMEN FOR THE SEXUAL ASSAULT THAT IS HAPPENING IN THEIR WORKPLACE.

AND FOR MILITARY MEN AND WOMEN A LOT OF MEN AND WOMEN SERVE TOGETHER AND THEY SERVE HONORABLY AND THE KEY IS ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A COMMANDER IN CHIEF WHO UNDERSTANDS THE NEED TO ROOT OUT BAD BEHAVIOR AND TO MAKE SURE THAT -- >> SICK BEHAVIOR.

>> AND MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE CRIMES THAT THEY COMMIT.

BUT IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT WE ARE GOING TO BLAME AND PENALIZE WOMEN FOR THE CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR OF MEN ALONG WHOSE SIDE THEY WORK.

>> SARA INTERESTING QUESTION OCCURRED TO ME.

DONALD TRUMP REACHED OUT TO THE LGBT COMMUNITY IN BIG WAYS.

ON THE OTHER HAND, IF HE IS SAYING THAT MEN -- WHAT ABOUT THE OPEN BATHROOMS WHICH ARE BECOMING WAY MORE POPULAR IN PUBLIC.

I WAS AT THE WASHINGTON D.C.

CONVENTIONS THAT HAD AN EITHER OR BATHROOM.

IS THAT SAYING IS HE BY SAYING THAT IF YOU PUT MEN AND WOMEN LIVING TOGETHER IN THE MILITARY, THE MEN CANNOT CONTROL THEMSELVES AND THEY ARE GOING TO RAPE THE WOMEN DOES THAT MEAN HE WILL BE AGAINST BATHROOM.

>> I THINK WHAT OPEN TRAN SERVICE PEOPLE ARE ASKING FOR TRANSGENDER WOMEN TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS WOMEN'S RESTROOMS.

AND HAVING SAID THAT I CHALLENGE THE PREMISE THAT DONALD TRUMP HAS BEEN REACHING OUT TO LGBT VOTERS.

HE SENT THE LETTERS IN THE SPEECH BUT THE REALITY IS HE WILL APPOINT ANTI-EQUALITY JUDGES TO THE SUPREME COURT AND SUPPORTS THE ABILITY OF STATES TO DISCRIMINATE AGAINST THE TRANSGENDER COMMUNITY AND FIRST GOVERNING DIAGNOSE NOMINATED A VICE-PRESIDENT WHO HAS MADE HIS NATIONAL PROFILE ON BEING ANTI-LGBT.

SO I THINK THAT -- >> IS TRUMP GETTING ANY OF THE LGBT VOTE?

>> I'M SURE THERE ARE LONG BOND PEOPLE VOTING FOR HIM BUT I DO NOT THINK IT WILL BE HIGHER THAN IN ANY OTHER REPUBLICAN NOMINEE FOR PRESIDENT.

AND THE FACT REMAINS THAT LGBT PEOPLE ARE ALSO WOMEN AND PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES AND MUSLIMS AND ALSO IMMIGRANTS ALL OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT DONALD TRUMP HAS CONTINUOUSLY INSULTED THROUGHOUT THE CAMPAIGN.

>> ALL RIGHT.

LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK.

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BEHIND THE HEADLINES, THE TWO MAJOR PARTIES HAVE NOMINATED HISTORICALLY UNPOPULAR CANDIDATES, DEMOCRAT CLINTON WOULD BE THE MOST DISLIKED CANDIDATE EVER, ACCORDING TO POLLS WERE IT NOT FOR REPUBLICAN TRUMP BEING EVEN MORE DISLIKED.

DO THE INDEPENDENT CANDIDATES EITHER LIBERTARIAN JOHNSON OR GREEN PARTY JILL STEIN OFFER [INAUDIBLE] FOR WARY VOTERS.

>> I THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE KIND OF HIT THE WALL ON THE ECONOMY ON JOBS, A GENERATION THAT IS BASICALLY STUCK IN UNPAYABLE STUDENT DEBT.

AND THEN YOU HAVE TWO ESTABLISHMENT CANDIDATES THAT PEOPLE DON'T LIKE AND THEY DON'T TRUST AND THERE IS AN INCREDIBLE HUNGER OUT THERE FOR ANOTHER VOICE.

>> JILL STEIN IS THE GREEN PARTY CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT.

>> I AM A PHYSICIAN NOT A POLITICIAN.

I AM A MOTHER ON FIRE.

VERY CONCERNED ABOUT WHERE OUR YOUNGER GENERATION IS GOING.

AND AS A MEDICAL DOCTOR, I AM PRACTICING POLITICAL MEDICINE BECAUSE IT'S THE MOTHER OF ALL ILLNESSES AND WE HAVE TO HEAL OUR SICK POLITICAL SYSTEM.

>> STEIN AS WELL AS LIBERTARIAN CANDIDATE GARY JOHNSON ARE FIGHTING TO BE INCLUDED IN THE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES.

THEY BEGIN LATER THIS MONTH.

BOTH CANDIDATES ARE BELOW THE DEBATE QUALIFYING CRITERIA OF ACHIEVING 15% IN THE POLLS.

STEIN IS POLLING AT 5% AT HER HEIGHT OR BELOW.

AND JOHNSON JUST BREAKS INTO DOUBLE-DIGITS.

THERE HAS NOT BEEN A THIRD PARTY CANDIDATE IN THOSE DEBATES SINCE 1992.

>> WE NEED TO MAKE THE DEBATES AN INSTRUMENT OF OUR DEMOCRACY.

RIGHT NOW THE DEBATES ARE AN INSTRUMENT OF THE DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN PARTIES.

AND I WOULD SAY STAY TUNED IN THE LAST RACE, MY RUNNING MATE AND I WERE ARRESTED FOR SHOWING UP.

WE WERE NOT JUST ARRESTED BUT WE WERE TAKEN TO A DARK SITE AND TIGHTLY HANDCUFFED TO METAL CHAIRS FOR SEVEN HOURS UNTIL EVERYBODY HAD GONE HOME.

THIS WAS JUST FOR TRYING TO GET INTO THE CAMPUS WHERE THE DEBATE WAS HELD WHERE OUR INTENTION WAS TO JUST BE THERE AND BEAR WITNESS TO A DEBATE WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN.

>> STEIN HOPES TO BE ON THE BALLOT IN EVERY STATE THIS YEAR AND IMPROVE ON HER 2012 SHOWING.

IN 2012 SHE RECEIVED LESS THAN ONE-HALF OF 1% OF THE POPULAR VOTE.

TO BOOST HER CAMPAIGN, STEIN HAS MADE A TRANSPARENT PLAY FOR DISAFFECTED FOLLOWERS OF BERNIE SANDERS.

SHE HAS GONE AS FAR AS OFFERING HER PLACE AT THE TOP OF THE GREEN PARTY TICKET.

>> I ACTUALLY PUT OUT A MESSAGE AND A WRITTEN OPEN LETTER TO BERNIE SANDERS TO PLEASE CONSIDER JOINING ME ON OUR TICKET.

WE'VE GOT THE SAME IDEAS HERE.

WE DIFFER A LITTLE AROUND FOREIGN POLICY WHERE MY CAMPAIGN TAKES A PRINCIPLED POSITION THAT WE NEED A FOREIGN POLICY BASED ON INTERNATIONAL LAW, HUMAN RIGHTS AND DIPLOMACY.

NOT MORE OF THESE REGIME CHANGE, WARS FOR OIL, WARS ON TERROR THAT HAVE BEEN SUCH A CATASTROPHE.

AS THE ONLY CANDIDATE THAT DOESN'T ACCEPT CORPORATE MONEY, LOBBIEST MONEY, I CAN TAKE A PRINCIPLED POSITION HERE WHAT WE NEED TO DO.

AND THAT IS ONE AREA WHERE WE DIFFER FROM BERNIE.

>> STEIN IS CALLING FOR AMBITIOUS, HER CRITICS WOULD SAY, UNFEASIBLE PROGRAMS TO HELP THE ENVIRONMENT, EASE DEBT AND CREATE JOBSISM WE ARE CALLING FOR AN EMERGENCY JOBS PROGRAM A GREEN NEW DEAL THAT WILL REVIVE OUR ECONOMY AT THE SAME TIME THAT WE TACKLE THE CRISIS OF CLIMATE CHANGE.

WE NEED AN AGENDA FOR PEOPLE, PLANET AND PEACE OVER PROFIT.

RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A SYSTEM THAT PUTS PROFIT OVER EVERYTHING ELSE.

>> SO CONGRESSWOMAN EDWARDS, DOES SHE STAND A CHANCE?

OR JUST A SPOILER FOR DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE HILLARY CLINTON?

>> I DON'T THINK SHE IS A SPOILER.

IF YOU RECALL, RALPH NADER GOT 2.74% OF THE VOTE MANY AND I DO NOT THINK JILL STEIN IS GOING TO GET THAT.

>> AND ACTUALLY, ACTUALLY, HE DID TAKE ENOUGH VOTES AWAY FROM GORE IN FLORIDA.

>> IN SOME STATES.

>> IN FLORIDA WHICH WAS THE KILLER STATE WHICH GORE ENDED UP WINNING AFTER A RECOUNT BUT HE WAS A SPOILER CANDIDATE.

>> BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE STATE POLLS I DO NOT THINK THAT JILL STEIN IS AT A RALPH NADER POINT.

AND I WOULD SAY THAT HER APPEAL TO BERNIE SANDERS SUPPORTERS IS INTERESTING TO ME.

BECAUSE ONE BERNIE SANDERS HAS ENDORSED HILLARY CLINTON.

AND THE OTHER IS THAT HE WAS VERY EFFECTIVE IN MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE ELEMENTS OF OUR PLATFORM THAT HILLARY HAS TO RUN ON THAT I THINK ARE VERY APPEALING IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT POLICY AND BERNIE SANDERS SUPPORTERS ARE TALKING ABOUT POLICY.

AND SO I DO NOT THINK THE SAME APPEAL IS THERE.

AND YOU KNOW, LOOK, I THINK THAT WHEN IT COMES TO DEBATES LET HER MOVE TO THE THRESHOLD AND BE WELCOMED ON TO THE STAGE BUT SHE HAS NOT DEMONSTRATED THAT YET.

>> AND SHE IS PENDING AN ARREST FOR SPRAY PAINTING WHICH IS NOT EXACTLY THE MOST PRESIDENTIAL THING TO DO.

YOUR THOUGHTS ON INDEPENDENT CANDIDATES?

>> I THINK THEY ARE GREAT THEY ARE GOING TO HELP TRUMP WIN.

I THINK THEY WILL TAKE AWAY FROM THE HILLARY CLINTON CAMP AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE HELPING DONALD TRUMP WIN THE WHITE HOUSE.

>> GARY JOHNSON BEFORE THIS WEEK'S INCREDIBLE SOME WOULD SAY DISQUALIFYING ALEPPO, WHAT IS ALEPPO REMARK, HE WAS POLLING TAKING EVENLY FROM TRUMP AND CLINTON.

>> RIGHT.

BUT I THINK HE DISQUALIFIED HIMSELF AS WELL.

I THINK ALL OF THE THIRD PARTY CANDIDATES ARE GOING IN FAVOR OF TRUMP.

I THINK ALL OF THEM ARE MAKING STUPID MISTAKES AND TAKING AWAY FROM THE DEMOCRATIC VOTES IS ONLY GOING TO BE HELPING THE REPUBLICANS.

>> I THINK ANYONE WHO JUMPS INTO THE POLITICAL PROCESS DESERVES OUR THANKS.

BUT I THINK JILL STEIN IS NO RALPH NADER.

AND SERVING ONE OR TWO TERMS ON A CITY COUNCIL ON A MEDIUM SIZED CITY DOES NOT MAKE A PRESIDENT.

AND I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT IN THIS ELECTION IF YOU WANT TO SEE PROGRESSIVE CHANGE AND OUR COUNTRY CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD AND THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT IS TO VOTE FOR HILLARY CLINTON.

>> A LOT OF PEOPLE DO NOT SEE THAT.

I'M SEEING ON Facebook, INCLUDING RELATIVES OF MINE, WHO ARE IN THEIR 20s THAT WHO WERE FOR SANDERS AND ARE NOW VOTING FOR SAY THEY ARE SUPPORTING STEIN.

>> I THINK THAT UP WITH OF THE THINGS THAT SOCIAL MEDIA HAS BEEN GREAT ABOUT IT'S ALLOWED FOR VOICES THAT ARE MAYBE IN THE MINORITY TO BE HEARD MORE BUT IT'S MAYBE OVEREMPHASIZING THE AMOUNT OF SUPPORT THAT JILL STEIN HAS.

SHE IS IN LOW SINGLE DIGITS AND IT WILL BE LOWER WHEN PEOPLE GO INTO THE VOTING BOOTH AND VOTE.

BUT I THINK JUST AS BERNIE SAID, IF YOU WANT PROGRESSIVE CHANGE IF YOU WANT TO SEE THE THINGS THAT HE FOUGHT FOR AND WE ARE FIGHTING FOR AS PROGRESSIVES IMPLEMENTED THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT IS TO CONSOLIDATE BEHIND THE ONLY PROGRESSIVE CANDIDATE WHO HAS A CHANCE OF WINNING.

>> I THINK THE TWO-PARTY SYSTEM SERVED THE COUNTRY WELL.

AND I WILL SAY THAT IF TRUMP LOSES THIS ELECTION, THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS GOING TO HAVE TO DO RETHINKING AND FRANKLY, YOU COULD SEE A SPLIT IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IF THE TRUMP PEOPLE STAY SOLID AND CONTINUE TO SUPPORT HIS AGENDA, I THINK YOU WILL SEE A BREAK UP OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

WE MIGHT END UP WITH THREE PARTIES.

>> AND HOW WOULD -- WOULD THAT MAKE THINGS BETTER OR WORSE?

EVERYBODY SAYS I CANNOT TELL YOU, IF I HAD A PENNY FOR THE TIME ANYONE SAID TO ME, YOU KNOW WE NEED A THIRD PARTY.

BUT THEY DON'T TAKE NOTICE OF THE FACT THAT THEY WANT THE THIRD PARTY TO BE SOMETHING OTHER THAN THE NEXT GUY DOES.

>> ESSENTIALLY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, THE WIG PARTY DISAPPEARED AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY EMERGED AND IT WAS A PROGRESSIVE PARTY THAT WAS OPPOSING SLAVERY AND FOR EQUAL RIGHTS FOR ALL PEOPLE.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY DECIDE WHAT ITS PRINCIPLES ARE AND I FRANKLY DON'T WANT ANY PART OF TRUMP IN THAT PARTY.

>> WE ARE GOING TO LET YOU ALL RETHINK THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND WE'RE GOING TO MARCH TO A WIN WITH HILLARY CLINTON IN NOVEMBER.

AND I DO THINK THAT YOU KNOW, HILLARY HAS -- AN UPHILL BATTLE.

SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT SHE IS BEING ASKED AT THAT LEVEL ARE PRESIDENTIAL.

THEY ARE CAN QUESTIONS THAT ANYONE WHO WANTS TO BE PRESIDENT SHOULD ASK AND THE MEDIA HAS A LOT OF WORK TO DO BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN DUMBING DOWN WHAT THEY ARE ASKING AND EXPECTING OF DONALD TRUMP.

AND I THINK THAT IS GOING TO BECOME EVEN MORE CLEAR OVER THESE NEXT SEVERAL WEEKS.

>> MATT LAUER EXHIBIT A AT THIS POINT.

FROM POLITICS TO PREGNANCIES.

AFTER WINNING THE RIGHT TO MARRY, THE LGBT COMMUNITY HAS CHANGED WHAT THE AMERICAN FAMILY LOOKS LIKE AND TRADITIONAL VIEWS ON GENDER.

NEW RESEARCH FINDS THE BOOM IN MEDICAL ADVANCES WILL MAKE PREGNANCIES COMMON FOR TRANSGENDER AMERICANS IN A TIME MAGAZINE OP-ED COLUMNIST OPENED UP ABOUT HER BROTHER'S PREGNANCY.

AFTER ONE FAILED PREGNANCY HE AND HIS WIFE HAVE A SON.

THE COUPLE USED IVF BUT IT'S NOT ALWAYS EASY FOR TRANSGENDER AMERICANS TO FIND MEDICAL HELP.

ACCORDING TO A NATIONAL TRANSGENDER DISCRIMINATION SURVEY, ONE IN FIVE TRANSGENDER PEOPLE HAS BEEN TURNED AWAY BY A MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL.

>> SO SARA McBRIDE, HOW LONG BEFORE THIS BECOMES NORMALIZED?

IT WAS EIGHT YEARS AGO WHEN THE VERY FIRST PREGNANT TRANSGENDER MAN WAS -- INTRODUCED HIMSELF TO THE WORLD.

WILL THIS BECOME NORMAL?

>> WELL, I THINK THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY THE MOST COMMON EXPERIENCE AMONG TRANSGENDER PEOPLE BUT ANYTIME ANYONE CAN TELL THEIR OWN STORY AND THEIR OWN EXPERIENCE THAT HELPS TO OPEN HEARTS AND CHANGE MINDS.

I THINK THIS STORY REFLECTS SOMETHING ABOUT TRANSGENDER PEOPLE THAT THE COUNTRY IS LEARNING.

SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTRY LEARNED ABOUT GAY PEOPLE WE ARE PEOPLE.

WE WANT TO BE PARENTS WE ARE SIBLINGS WE ARE CHILDREN WE ARE FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS AND COWORKERS AND WE HAVE HOPES AND DREAMS AND WE LAUGH AND CRY AND THE STORY REENFORCES THAT.

BUT IT BRINGS UP A LARGER POINT ABOUT THE FACT THAT TRANSGENDER PEOPLE FACE SIGNIFICANT BARRIERS IN THE HEALTHCARE INDUSTRY.

A LOT OF TRANSGENDER PEOPLE REPORT NOT HAVING A MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL WILLING TO TOUCH THEM WHEN THEY ARE GETTING CARE BECAUSE THEY ARE TRANSGENDER.

I THINK THIS IS PART OF A LARGER CONVERSATION ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT OUR HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IS ACCESSIBLE AND SAFE AND INCLUSIVE FOR ALL PEOPLE.

>> YOUR THOUGHTS?

>> WELL, I HAVE TO TELL YOU, I AM A BIT OF AN AGNOSTIC ON THIS ISSUE.

THIS IS NEW TO ME.

I'M 69 YEARS OLD.

AND THE WORLD IS A DIFFERENT PLACE TODAY.

IT IS A BRAVE NEW WORLD.

AND SOME OF US -- >> YOUR KIDS OR GRANDKIDS DO THEY SEE TWO GENDERS OR EIGHT GENDERS?

>> THEY ARE CONSERVATIVES.

SO... YOU KNOW, I MEAN THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF GENDER IS SORT OF NEW TO ME.

GENDER WHEN I WAS GROWING UP WAS A GRAMMATICAL TERM IT WASN'T SEX IT BELONGED IN THE ROMANCE LANGUAGES HOW YOU IDENTIFIED WORDS.

THIS IS NEW.

AND I THINK IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO TAKE TIME.

AND I HAVE TO TELL YOU FROM LOOKING AT MY Facebook FEED, IT IS A HARD SELL AMONG CONSERVATIVES.

IT IS.

AND THEY LOOK AT THIS BIRTH AND SAY WELL THIS IS A PERSON WHO WAS BORN WITH TWO X CHROMOSOMES AND THAT IS THE REASON HE IS ABLE TO USE THE PRONOUN TRENDS HE IS ABLE TO CARRY A BABY TO TERM AND TO DELIVER A BABY.

I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S GOING TO TURNOUT.

IT IS A HUGE SOCIAL EXPERIMENT AND WHO KNOWS.

I DO AGREE WITH YOU THAT PEOPLE NEED TO BE TOLERANT, PEOPLE NEED TO BE UNDERSTANDING AND NOT MAKE JUDGMENTS TOO QUICKLY.

BUT IT'S HARD FOR SOME CONSERVATIVES.

>> BUT YOU TOLD ME AN AMAZING STATISTIC WHEN WE TALKED WHEN YOU WERE ON THE SHOW LAST TIME OR THE TIME BEFORE, THAT -- AND I MENTIONED THAT TRANSGENDER PEOPLE WERE I FORGET IT WAS UNDER 1% OF THE POPULATION AND YOU SAID WHEN YOU COUNT YOUNGER YOUNG PEOPLE, IT'S ACTUALLY 3.7%?

>> SO THEY HAVE JUST UPPED THE ESTIMATE OF TRANSGENDER ADULTS TO 1.4 MILLION AND AMONG YOUNG PEOPLE IT'S IN THE LOW SINGLE DIGIT PERCENTAGE WISE.

THE ADULT TRANSGENDER POPULATION IS LARGER THAN SEVERAL STATES.

BUT YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN WHICH IS THAT -- >> TRANSGENDER MEANING -- >> PEOPLE HAVING A GENDER IDENTITY DIFFERENT THAN THE SEX THEY WERE ASSIGNED AT BIRTH.

AND YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN WHICH IS THAT THIS IS NEW FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE.

IT'S NOT NECESSARILY NEW TRANSGENDER PEOPLE EXISTED THROUGHOUT TIME AND CULTURES BUT IN OUR SOCIETY THIS IS A NEW CONVERSATION.

AND THE THING WE HAVE TO REMEMBER IN THIS CONVERSATION IS THE HUMANITY BEHIND THE ISSUE.

TRANSGENDER PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE.

AND WHILE WE ALL LEARN THE DIFFERENT TERMINOLOGY AND WE LEARN THE DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF HUMAN DIVERSITY, WE SHOULD ALL BE COMPASSIONATE AND OPEN MINDED AS WE LEARN MORE.

>> WELL, I THINK WE ARE VERY COMPASSIONATE BUT AT THE SAME TIME IT GOES AGAINST GOD'S LAWS OF NATURE JUST BASIC HUMAN NATURE THAT HAS EXISTED FOR MILLIONS OF YEARS.

I FULLY AGREE WITH EQUAL RIGHTS FOR EVERYONE BUT AT THE SAME TIME I THINK WE ARE SPOILING THE NEW GENERATION WITH THE IDEAS THAT YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR BIRTH SEX AND I THINK IT'S JUST WE NEED TO BE MUCH MORE MINDFUL HOW THIS IS DESTROYING THE SOCIETY.

>> WELL, I THINK THERE IS AN EXAMPLE THAT I MEAN IT IS A NEW CONVERSATION BUT IT IS ALSO NOW A PUBLIC CONVERSATION.

BUT IT ALSO REQUIRES PUBLIC POLICY.

SO WE CAN'T HAVE A CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE PEOPLE ARE NOT ABLE TO FEEL SAFE IN GOING TO A MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL TO DEAL WITH THEIR MEDICAL NEEDS.

THAT IS A PUBLIC POLICY CONVERSATION.

IT IS NOT A RELIGIOUS CONVERSATION.

WHICH MAY BE FOR ANOTHER PLACE.

BUT WE ALL HAVE A LOT MORE TO LEARN AND I DO NOT THINK MY SON THINKS ABOUT THIS IN THE SAME WAY.

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