>> THIS WEEK ON "TO THE >> THIS WEEK ON "TO THE CONTRARY" >> THIS WEEK ON "TO THE CONTRARY" FIRST THE HIGH COST OF RAISING CONTRARY" FIRST THE HIGH COST OF RAISING CHILDREN.

FIRST THE HIGH COST OF RAISING CHILDREN.

THEN, IN CALIFORNIA WOMEN WHO CHILDREN.

THEN, IN CALIFORNIA WOMEN WHO DONATE EGGS FOR RESEARCH CAN'T THEN, IN CALIFORNIA WOMEN WHO DONATE EGGS FOR RESEARCH CAN'T GET PAID.

DONATE EGGS FOR RESEARCH CAN'T GET PAID.

BEHIND THE HEADLINES, WE GET PAID.

BEHIND THE HEADLINES, WE INTRODUCE YOU TO THE NEW WOMAN BEHIND THE HEADLINES, WE INTRODUCE YOU TO THE NEW WOMAN IN CHARGE OF ENDING SEXUAL INTRODUCE YOU TO THE NEW WOMAN IN CHARGE OF ENDING SEXUAL ASSAULTS IN THE AIR FORCE.

HELLO, I'M BONNIE ERBE.

HELLO, I'M BONNIE ERBE.

WELCOME TO "TO THE CONTRARY," A HELLO, I'M BONNIE ERBE.

WELCOME TO "TO THE CONTRARY," A DISCUSSION OF NEWS AND SOCIAL WELCOME TO "TO THE CONTRARY," A DISCUSSION OF NEWS AND SOCIAL TRENDS FROM DIVERSE DISCUSSION OF NEWS AND SOCIAL TRENDS FROM DIVERSE PERSPECTIVES.

TRENDS FROM DIVERSE PERSPECTIVES.

UP FIRST, THE COST OF HAVING PERSPECTIVES.

UP FIRST, THE COST OF HAVING CHILDREN.

UP FIRST, THE COST OF HAVING CHILDREN.

A CHILD'S SMILE MAY BE CHILDREN.

A CHILD'S SMILE MAY BE PRICELESS, BUT THE COST OF A CHILD'S SMILE MAY BE PRICELESS, BUT THE COST OF RAISING ONE TO AGE 18 WOULD COST PRICELESS, BUT THE COST OF RAISING ONE TO AGE 18 WOULD COST PARENTS ALMOST A QUARTER OF A RAISING ONE TO AGE 18 WOULD COST PARENTS ALMOST A QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS ON AVERAGE.

PARENTS ALMOST A QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS ON AVERAGE.

A NEW GOVERNMENT REPORT SHOWS MILLION DOLLARS ON AVERAGE.

A NEW GOVERNMENT REPORT SHOWS THAN ALMOST 3% INCREASE SINCE A NEW GOVERNMENT REPORT SHOWS THAN ALMOST 3% INCREASE SINCE LAST YEAR AND 23% SINCE 1960.

THAN ALMOST 3% INCREASE SINCE LAST YEAR AND 23% SINCE 1960.

THAT EVEN AFTER ADJUSTING FOR LAST YEAR AND 23% SINCE 1960.

THAT EVEN AFTER ADJUSTING FOR INFLATION.

THAT EVEN AFTER ADJUSTING FOR INFLATION.

THAT'S A RECORD HIGH.

INFLATION.

THAT'S A RECORD HIGH.

THE INCREASE COST OF HOUSING WAS THAT'S A RECORD HIGH.

THE INCREASE COST OF HOUSING WAS THE MAIN CULPRIT.

THE INCREASE COST OF HOUSING WAS THE MAIN CULPRIT.

BUT FOOD, HEALTH CARE, THE MAIN CULPRIT.

BUT FOOD, HEALTH CARE, TRANSPORTATION AND CLOTHING ARE BUT FOOD, HEALTH CARE, TRANSPORTATION AND CLOTHING ARE UP, TOO.

TRANSPORTATION AND CLOTHING ARE UP, TOO.

AND THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE UP, TOO.

AND THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE COLLEGE.

AND THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE COLLEGE.

GIVEN THOSE NUMBERS AND OTHER COLLEGE.

GIVEN THOSE NUMBERS AND OTHER FACTORS IT'S NOT SURPRISING MORE GIVEN THOSE NUMBERS AND OTHER FACTORS IT'S NOT SURPRISING MORE AMERICANS ARE CHOOSING NOT TO FACTORS IT'S NOT SURPRISING MORE AMERICANS ARE CHOOSING NOT TO HAVE CHILDREN.

AMERICANS ARE CHOOSING NOT TO HAVE CHILDREN.

A RECENT "TIME" MAGAZINE COVER HAVE CHILDREN.

A RECENT "TIME" MAGAZINE COVER STORY, THE CHILD-FREE LIFE, A RECENT "TIME" MAGAZINE COVER STORY, THE CHILD-FREE LIFE, REIGNITED THE DISCUSSION, MEN STORY, THE CHILD-FREE LIFE, REIGNITED THE DISCUSSION, MEN AND WOMEN WHO PURPOSELY FORGO REIGNITED THE DISCUSSION, MEN AND WOMEN WHO PURPOSELY FORGO HAVING CHILDREN PREFER TO CALL AND WOMEN WHO PURPOSELY FORGO HAVING CHILDREN PREFER TO CALL THEMSELVES CHILD-FREE AND ARE HAVING CHILDREN PREFER TO CALL THEMSELVES CHILD-FREE AND ARE QUOTED AS SAYING, THEY LIVE THEMSELVES CHILD-FREE AND ARE QUOTED AS SAYING, THEY LIVE FULFILLING LIVES AND DON'T QUOTED AS SAYING, THEY LIVE FULFILLING LIVES AND DON'T REGRET NOT HAVING KIDS.

FULFILLING LIVES AND DON'T REGRET NOT HAVING KIDS.

A PUGH RESEARCH FINDS ONE IN REGRET NOT HAVING KIDS.

A PUGH RESEARCH FINDS ONE IN FIVE AMERICAN ENDS CHILD BEARING A PUGH RESEARCH FINDS ONE IN FIVE AMERICAN ENDS CHILD BEARING YEARS WITHOUT HAVING A CHILD.

FIVE AMERICAN ENDS CHILD BEARING YEARS WITHOUT HAVING A CHILD.

CONGRESSWOMAN NORTON IS IT YEARS WITHOUT HAVING A CHILD.

CONGRESSWOMAN NORTON IS IT REALLY JUST THE COST ARE THERE CONGRESSWOMAN NORTON IS IT REALLY JUST THE COST ARE THERE OTHER REASONS WHY A LOT OF REALLY JUST THE COST ARE THERE OTHER REASONS WHY A LOT OF AMERICANS NOW ARE NOT HAVING OTHER REASONS WHY A LOT OF AMERICANS NOW ARE NOT HAVING CHILDREN LIKE THEY JUST PREFER AMERICANS NOW ARE NOT HAVING CHILDREN LIKE THEY JUST PREFER IT THAT WAY?

CHILDREN LIKE THEY JUST PREFER IT THAT WAY?

>> NOT JUST THE COST BUT THE IT THAT WAY?

>> NOT JUST THE COST BUT THE COST IS A BIG FACTOR WITH 40 >> NOT JUST THE COST BUT THE COST IS A BIG FACTOR WITH 40 YEARS OF THE DECLINE OF THE COST IS A BIG FACTOR WITH 40 YEARS OF THE DECLINE OF THE MIDDLE PLAN AND GOVERNMENT THAT YEARS OF THE DECLINE OF THE MIDDLE PLAN AND GOVERNMENT THAT GIVES ONLY RETORE CALL SUPPORT MIDDLE PLAN AND GOVERNMENT THAT GIVES ONLY RETORE CALL SUPPORT TO PARENTHOOD, NO WONDER PEOPLE GIVES ONLY RETORE CALL SUPPORT TO PARENTHOOD, NO WONDER PEOPLE STOP HAVING CHILDREN.

TO PARENTHOOD, NO WONDER PEOPLE STOP HAVING CHILDREN.

>> IT IS DEFINITELY NOT JUST THE STOP HAVING CHILDREN.

>> IT IS DEFINITELY NOT JUST THE MATERIAL AND ECONOMIC QUESTION, >> IT IS DEFINITELY NOT JUST THE MATERIAL AND ECONOMIC QUESTION, THERE ARE SOME IMPORTANT MATERIAL AND ECONOMIC QUESTION, THERE ARE SOME IMPORTANT RELATIONAL CHANGES THAT HAVE THERE ARE SOME IMPORTANT RELATIONAL CHANGES THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN SOCIETY THAT DON'T RELATIONAL CHANGES THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN SOCIETY THAT DON'T GIVE PARENTS MUCH SUPPORT AND HAPPENED IN SOCIETY THAT DON'T GIVE PARENTS MUCH SUPPORT AND QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW WE DEFINE GIVE PARENTS MUCH SUPPORT AND QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW WE DEFINE SUCCESS AND THE GOOD LIFE.

QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW WE DEFINE SUCCESS AND THE GOOD LIFE.

>> I DEFINITELY DON'T THINK THAT SUCCESS AND THE GOOD LIFE.

>> I DEFINITELY DON'T THINK THAT WE SUPPORT PARENTS ENOUGH IN >> I DEFINITELY DON'T THINK THAT WE SUPPORT PARENTS ENOUGH IN THIS GREAT NATION OF OURS AND WE SUPPORT PARENTS ENOUGH IN THIS GREAT NATION OF OURS AND NATION OF GREAT WEALTH.

THIS GREAT NATION OF OURS AND NATION OF GREAT WEALTH.

I DEFINITELY THINK THAT HAS NATION OF GREAT WEALTH.

I DEFINITELY THINK THAT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH NOT HAVING I DEFINITELY THINK THAT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH NOT HAVING CHILDREN AND PEOPLE WANTING A SOMETHING TO DO WITH NOT HAVING CHILDREN AND PEOPLE WANTING A GOOD QUALITY OF LIFE.

CHILDREN AND PEOPLE WANTING A GOOD QUALITY OF LIFE.

AND WOMEN ALSO SAY, I WANT MORE.

GOOD QUALITY OF LIFE.

AND WOMEN ALSO SAY, I WANT MORE.

>> I THINK YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.

AND WOMEN ALSO SAY, I WANT MORE.

>> I THINK YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.

WOMEN DO WANT MORE IF SOMEONE >> I THINK YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.

WOMEN DO WANT MORE IF SOMEONE THAT CHOSE NOT TO HAVE CHILDREN WOMEN DO WANT MORE IF SOMEONE THAT CHOSE NOT TO HAVE CHILDREN THINGS HAVE CHANGED, WOMEN CAN THAT CHOSE NOT TO HAVE CHILDREN THINGS HAVE CHANGED, WOMEN CAN DO MORE THINGS THAN JUST BEAR THINGS HAVE CHANGED, WOMEN CAN DO MORE THINGS THAN JUST BEAR CHILDREN.

DO MORE THINGS THAN JUST BEAR CHILDREN.

>> WELL, AS YOU AND I ARE THE CHILDREN.

>> WELL, AS YOU AND I ARE THE ONLY CHILD FREE BY CHOICE >> WELL, AS YOU AND I ARE THE ONLY CHILD FREE BY CHOICE MEMBERS OF THIS SHOW RIGHT NOW ONLY CHILD FREE BY CHOICE MEMBERS OF THIS SHOW RIGHT NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT THE REASONS WHY MEMBERS OF THIS SHOW RIGHT NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT THE REASONS WHY ONE IN FIVE IS AN AWFUL LOT.

LET'S TALK ABOUT THE REASONS WHY ONE IN FIVE IS AN AWFUL LOT.

AND IT'S GROWING QUITE FRANKLY.

ONE IN FIVE IS AN AWFUL LOT.

AND IT'S GROWING QUITE FRANKLY.

AND IS IT A LIFESTYLE CHOICE, IS AND IT'S GROWING QUITE FRANKLY.

AND IS IT A LIFESTYLE CHOICE, IS IT A FINANCIAL CHOICE OR IN SOME AND IS IT A LIFESTYLE CHOICE, IS IT A FINANCIAL CHOICE OR IN SOME CASES IS IT JUST WOMEN WHO IT A FINANCIAL CHOICE OR IN SOME CASES IS IT JUST WOMEN WHO DIDN'T START TRYING TO HAVE KIDS CASES IS IT JUST WOMEN WHO DIDN'T START TRYING TO HAVE KIDS IN TIME AND NEVER HAD KIDS DIDN'T START TRYING TO HAVE KIDS IN TIME AND NEVER HAD KIDS BECAUSE JUST DIDN'T WORK OUT FOR IN TIME AND NEVER HAD KIDS BECAUSE JUST DIDN'T WORK OUT FOR THEM.

BECAUSE JUST DIDN'T WORK OUT FOR THEM.

>> BONNIE, THINK IT'S ALL OF THE THEM.

>> BONNIE, THINK IT'S ALL OF THE ABOVE.

>> BONNIE, THINK IT'S ALL OF THE ABOVE.

MINE IS A LIFESTYLE CHOICE ABOVE.

MINE IS A LIFESTYLE CHOICE PERSONALLY SPEAKING, I MARRIED MINE IS A LIFESTYLE CHOICE PERSONALLY SPEAKING, I MARRIED IN TO A BLENDED FAMILY I ALREADY PERSONALLY SPEAKING, I MARRIED IN TO A BLENDED FAMILY I ALREADY HAD STEP CHILDREN AND I HAD IN TO A BLENDED FAMILY I ALREADY HAD STEP CHILDREN AND I HAD OTHER THINGS THAT I NEEDED TO HAD STEP CHILDREN AND I HAD OTHER THINGS THAT I NEEDED TO DO.

OTHER THINGS THAT I NEEDED TO DO.

AS MY MOTHER SAID SOME WOMEN ARE DO.

AS MY MOTHER SAID SOME WOMEN ARE JUST NOT MEANT TO BE MOTHERS.

AS MY MOTHER SAID SOME WOMEN ARE JUST NOT MEANT TO BE MOTHERS.

I CHOSE CAREER PATH AND I HAVE JUST NOT MEANT TO BE MOTHERS.

I CHOSE CAREER PATH AND I HAVE NO REGRETS.

I CHOSE CAREER PATH AND I HAVE NO REGRETS.

I HAVE WONDERFUL NIECES AND NO REGRETS.

I HAVE WONDERFUL NIECES AND NEPHEWS BUT HAVE FRIENDS THAT I HAVE WONDERFUL NIECES AND NEPHEWS BUT HAVE FRIENDS THAT WANTED TO WAIT UNTIL THEY GOT NEPHEWS BUT HAVE FRIENDS THAT WANTED TO WAIT UNTIL THEY GOT MARRIED ONE GIRLFRIEND JUST SAID WANTED TO WAIT UNTIL THEY GOT MARRIED ONE GIRLFRIEND JUST SAID SHE WAS 38, I'M NOT GOING TO GET MARRIED ONE GIRLFRIEND JUST SAID SHE WAS 38, I'M NOT GOING TO GET MARRIED SHE DECIDED TO HAVE SHE WAS 38, I'M NOT GOING TO GET MARRIED SHE DECIDED TO HAVE ARTIFICIAL INSEMINATION.

MARRIED SHE DECIDED TO HAVE ARTIFICIAL INSEMINATION.

I THINK IT'S A LIFESTYLE CHANGE ARTIFICIAL INSEMINATION.

I THINK IT'S A LIFESTYLE CHANGE BUT ALSO FINANCIAL CHOICE.

I THINK IT'S A LIFESTYLE CHANGE BUT ALSO FINANCIAL CHOICE.

>> YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES TO BUT ALSO FINANCIAL CHOICE.

>> YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES TO REPRODUCTION I'M ALL FOR CHOICE.

>> YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES TO REPRODUCTION I'M ALL FOR CHOICE.

AND I EMBRACE THE NOTION THAT WE REPRODUCTION I'M ALL FOR CHOICE.

AND I EMBRACE THE NOTION THAT WE LIVE ABE SOCIETY WHERE A WOMAN AND I EMBRACE THE NOTION THAT WE LIVE ABE SOCIETY WHERE A WOMAN CAN DECIDE THAT SHE'S GOING TO LIVE ABE SOCIETY WHERE A WOMAN CAN DECIDE THAT SHE'S GOING TO DEFINE HERSELF OTHER THAN TWO CAN DECIDE THAT SHE'S GOING TO DEFINE HERSELF OTHER THAN TWO CHILDREN.

DEFINE HERSELF OTHER THAN TWO CHILDREN.

BUT DO UNDERSTAND THIS, MOST CHILDREN.

BUT DO UNDERSTAND THIS, MOST WOMEN WANT TO HAVE CHILDREN.

BUT DO UNDERSTAND THIS, MOST WOMEN WANT TO HAVE CHILDREN.

AND YET WE END UP, HAVE WOMEN WANT TO HAVE CHILDREN.

AND YET WE END UP, HAVE TWO-POINT SOMETHING CHILDREN AND AND YET WE END UP, HAVE TWO-POINT SOMETHING CHILDREN AND END UP WITH 1.9 CHILDREN.

TWO-POINT SOMETHING CHILDREN AND END UP WITH 1.9 CHILDREN.

DON'T FOOL YOURSELF THAT ALL OF END UP WITH 1.9 CHILDREN.

DON'T FOOL YOURSELF THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAVE PEOPLE OUT HERE DON'T FOOL YOURSELF THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAVE PEOPLE OUT HERE SAYING, I WANT A FRIED-FREE -- I A SUDDEN WE HAVE PEOPLE OUT HERE SAYING, I WANT A FRIED-FREE -- I DON'T WANT A CHILD-FREE WORLD I SAYING, I WANT A FRIED-FREE -- I DON'T WANT A CHILD-FREE WORLD I WANT A WORLD IN WHICH PEOPLE CAN DON'T WANT A CHILD-FREE WORLD I WANT A WORLD IN WHICH PEOPLE CAN FEEL COMFORTABLE HAVING WANT A WORLD IN WHICH PEOPLE CAN FEEL COMFORTABLE HAVING CHILDREN, CAN KNEEL COMFORTABLE FEEL COMFORTABLE HAVING CHILDREN, CAN KNEEL COMFORTABLE AND -- CAN FEEL COMFORTABLE AND CHILDREN, CAN KNEEL COMFORTABLE AND -- CAN FEEL COMFORTABLE AND FULFILL THE OTHER PARTS OF THEIR AND -- CAN FEEL COMFORTABLE AND FULFILL THE OTHER PARTS OF THEIR LIVES.

FULFILL THE OTHER PARTS OF THEIR LIVES.

I HAVE READ THE "TIME" MAGAZINE LIVES.

I HAVE READ THE "TIME" MAGAZINE ARTICLE AND THOSE WOMEN CONVINCE I HAVE READ THE "TIME" MAGAZINE ARTICLE AND THOSE WOMEN CONVINCE ME, WHEN GLORIA STEINAM TALKS, ARTICLE AND THOSE WOMEN CONVINCE ME, WHEN GLORIA STEINAM TALKS, SHE MEANS IT.

ME, WHEN GLORIA STEINAM TALKS, SHE MEANS IT.

SOME OF THE COUPLES WHO SHE MEANS IT.

SOME OF THE COUPLES WHO INTERVIEWED THEY MEAN IT.

SOME OF THE COUPLES WHO INTERVIEWED THEY MEAN IT.

BUT YOU CAN'T TELL ME THE INTERVIEWED THEY MEAN IT.

BUT YOU CAN'T TELL ME THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 2.1 AND 1.9 BUT YOU CAN'T TELL ME THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 2.1 AND 1.9 GETTING.

DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 2.1 AND 1.9 GETTING.

IS SIMPLY -- GETTING.

IS SIMPLY -- >> IT'S BIGGER THAN THAT.

IS SIMPLY -- >> IT'S BIGGER THAN THAT.

THE GAP BETWEEN THE FERTILITY >> IT'S BIGGER THAN THAT.

THE GAP BETWEEN THE FERTILITY ASPIRATIONS IS ACTUALLY 2.5.

THE GAP BETWEEN THE FERTILITY ASPIRATIONS IS ACTUALLY 2.5.

VERSUS 1.9 THAT WOMEN ACTUALLY ASPIRATIONS IS ACTUALLY 2.5.

VERSUS 1.9 THAT WOMEN ACTUALLY HAVE.

VERSUS 1.9 THAT WOMEN ACTUALLY HAVE.

WE -- HAVE.

WE -- >> EXPLAIN -- WE -- >> EXPLAIN -- >> IN OTHER WORDS, THE TOTAL >> EXPLAIN -- >> IN OTHER WORDS, THE TOTAL FERTILITY RATE WHAT WOMEN SAY >> IN OTHER WORDS, THE TOTAL FERTILITY RATE WHAT WOMEN SAY THEY WANT IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER FERTILITY RATE WHAT WOMEN SAY THEY WANT IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN IT AVERAGES OUT TO THEY WANT IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN IT AVERAGES OUT TO 2.5.

OF CHILDREN IT AVERAGES OUT TO 2.5.

WHAT WE ARE HAVING IS 1.9.

2.5.

WHAT WE ARE HAVING IS 1.9.

NOW, THAT IS A GAP THAT WE NEED WHAT WE ARE HAVING IS 1.9.

NOW, THAT IS A GAP THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT.

NOW, THAT IS A GAP THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT.

JONATHAN IN WHAT TO EXPECT WHEN TO TALK ABOUT.

JONATHAN IN WHAT TO EXPECT WHEN NO ONE IS EXPECTING IS A BOOK JONATHAN IN WHAT TO EXPECT WHEN NO ONE IS EXPECTING IS A BOOK BEEN A PART OF THIS NO ONE IS EXPECTING IS A BOOK BEEN A PART OF THIS CONVERSATION, HE POINTS OUT THIS BEEN A PART OF THIS CONVERSATION, HE POINTS OUT THIS GAP BETWEEN WHAT WE WANT AND CONVERSATION, HE POINTS OUT THIS GAP BETWEEN WHAT WE WANT AND WHAT'S HAPPENING.

GAP BETWEEN WHAT WE WANT AND WHAT'S HAPPENING.

THAT'S WHAT WE HAVEN'T HAD WHAT'S HAPPENING.

THAT'S WHAT WE HAVEN'T HAD ENOUGH -- THAT'S WHAT WE HAVEN'T HAD ENOUGH -- >> FIRST OF ALL, SO THE GAP ENOUGH -- >> FIRST OF ALL, SO THE GAP BETWEEN WHAT WOMEN WANT AND WHAT >> FIRST OF ALL, SO THE GAP BETWEEN WHAT WOMEN WANT AND WHAT THEY ARE HAVING, WHY IS THAT A BETWEEN WHAT WOMEN WANT AND WHAT THEY ARE HAVING, WHY IS THAT A PROBLEM, A.

THEY ARE HAVING, WHY IS THAT A PROBLEM, A.

AND, B, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF PROBLEM, A.

AND, B, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF TALK ABOUT A SHORTAGE, THAT AND, B, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF TALK ABOUT A SHORTAGE, THAT WE'RE NOT CREATING ENOUGH NEW TALK ABOUT A SHORTAGE, THAT WE'RE NOT CREATING ENOUGH NEW AMERICANS.

WE'RE NOT CREATING ENOUGH NEW AMERICANS.

ON THE OTHER HAND WITH AMERICANS.

ON THE OTHER HAND WITH IMMIGRATION WE ARE GROWING ON THE OTHER HAND WITH IMMIGRATION WE ARE GROWING EXPONENTIALLY.

IMMIGRATION WE ARE GROWING EXPONENTIALLY.

WHEN I WAS BORN WE WERE A NATION EXPONENTIALLY.

WHEN I WAS BORN WE WERE A NATION OF 170 MILLION PEOPLE.

WHEN I WAS BORN WE WERE A NATION OF 170 MILLION PEOPLE.

WE'RE NOW 310 MILLION.

OF 170 MILLION PEOPLE.

WE'RE NOW 310 MILLION.

BY MID CENTURY GOING TO BE 450 WE'RE NOW 310 MILLION.

BY MID CENTURY GOING TO BE 450 MILLION.

BY MID CENTURY GOING TO BE 450 MILLION.

THERE'S NO LACK OF YOUNG PEOPLE MILLION.

THERE'S NO LACK OF YOUNG PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY.

THERE'S NO LACK OF YOUNG PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY.

>> I THINK YOU ASKED WHY IT IN THIS COUNTRY.

>> I THINK YOU ASKED WHY IT MATTERS, WHY DOES THAT FER FELT >> I THINK YOU ASKED WHY IT MATTERS, WHY DOES THAT FER FELT GAP MATTER.

MATTERS, WHY DOES THAT FER FELT GAP MATTER.

IT MATTERS ON THE CRITERIA THAT GAP MATTER.

IT MATTERS ON THE CRITERIA THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, WE IT MATTERS ON THE CRITERIA THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, WE VALUE WHAT WOMEN WANT AND WANT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, WE VALUE WHAT WOMEN WANT AND WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO MAKE CHOICES.

VALUE WHAT WOMEN WANT AND WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO MAKE CHOICES.

IT MATTERS IN TOO OF OUR SYSTEM THEM TO BE ABLE TO MAKE CHOICES.

IT MATTERS IN TOO OF OUR SYSTEM AS A SOCIETY.

IT MATTERS IN TOO OF OUR SYSTEM AS A SOCIETY.

PAYING FOR SOCIAL SECURITY.

AS A SOCIETY.

PAYING FOR SOCIAL SECURITY.

PAYING FOR THE WELFARE THAT WE PAYING FOR SOCIAL SECURITY.

PAYING FOR THE WELFARE THAT WE HAVE.

PAYING FOR THE WELFARE THAT WE HAVE.

THAT MEANS THAT THERE HAS TO BE HAVE.

THAT MEANS THAT THERE HAS TO BE THOSE TAX-PAYING INDIVIDUALS TO THAT MEANS THAT THERE HAS TO BE THOSE TAX-PAYING INDIVIDUALS TO SUSTAIN THE LEVEL OF ECONOMIC THOSE TAX-PAYING INDIVIDUALS TO SUSTAIN THE LEVEL OF ECONOMIC SUCCESS THAT WE HAVE.

SUSTAIN THE LEVEL OF ECONOMIC SUCCESS THAT WE HAVE.

>> BUT WE HAVE THAT -- YOU'RE SUCCESS THAT WE HAVE.

>> BUT WE HAVE THAT -- YOU'RE RIGHT WE -- >> BUT WE HAVE THAT -- YOU'RE RIGHT WE -- >> YOU DON'T HAVE THAT EVEN RIGHT WE -- >> YOU DON'T HAVE THAT EVEN HISPANIC WOMEN NOW LATEST SURVEY >> YOU DON'T HAVE THAT EVEN HISPANIC WOMEN NOW LATEST SURVEY SHOWS THAT'S WHERE YOU ARE HISPANIC WOMEN NOW LATEST SURVEY SHOWS THAT'S WHERE YOU ARE GETTING IT FROM, ARE YOU SHOWS THAT'S WHERE YOU ARE GETTING IT FROM, ARE YOU SATISFIED THAT ONLY PLACE WHICH GETTING IT FROM, ARE YOU SATISFIED THAT ONLY PLACE WHICH WE OUGHT TO BE HAVING MORE SATISFIED THAT ONLY PLACE WHICH WE OUGHT TO BE HAVING MORE AMERICANS IS WE BETTER HAVE -- WE OUGHT TO BE HAVING MORE AMERICANS IS WE BETTER HAVE -- IMMIGRATION REFORM WILL CHANGE AMERICANS IS WE BETTER HAVE -- IMMIGRATION REFORM WILL CHANGE ALL THAT.

IMMIGRATION REFORM WILL CHANGE ALL THAT.

BUT THE MOST INTERESTING ALL THAT.

BUT THE MOST INTERESTING STATISTIC I HAVE READ IN THE BUT THE MOST INTERESTING STATISTIC I HAVE READ IN THE LAST YEAR IS DECLINE IN CHILDREN STATISTIC I HAVE READ IN THE LAST YEAR IS DECLINE IN CHILDREN BY HISPANIC WOMEN.

LAST YEAR IS DECLINE IN CHILDREN BY HISPANIC WOMEN.

THAT'S WHO IS GIVING YOU ALL BY HISPANIC WOMEN.

THAT'S WHO IS GIVING YOU ALL THESE AMERICANS YOU'RE TALKING THAT'S WHO IS GIVING YOU ALL THESE AMERICANS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

THESE AMERICANS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

>> WAIT A SECOND, ELEANOR I'M ABOUT.

>> WAIT A SECOND, ELEANOR I'M TELLING YOU IN ONE LIFETIME WE >> WAIT A SECOND, ELEANOR I'M TELLING YOU IN ONE LIFETIME WE HAVE ALL -- ALMOST DOUBLED AND TELLING YOU IN ONE LIFETIME WE HAVE ALL -- ALMOST DOUBLED AND AND -- WHAT DOES IT MATTER IF HAVE ALL -- ALMOST DOUBLED AND AND -- WHAT DOES IT MATTER IF THEY'RE IMMIGRANTS OR AND -- WHAT DOES IT MATTER IF THEY'RE IMMIGRANTS OR NONIMMIGRANTS JOINING ARE -- THEY'RE IMMIGRANTS OR NONIMMIGRANTS JOINING ARE -- >> IF THAT IS YOUR ONLY HOPE NONIMMIGRANTS JOINING ARE -- >> IF THAT IS YOUR ONLY HOPE YOU'RE IN TROUBLE.

>> IF THAT IS YOUR ONLY HOPE YOU'RE IN TROUBLE.

THAT'S WHAT OUR IMMIGRATION YOU'RE IN TROUBLE.

THAT'S WHAT OUR IMMIGRATION RENORM BILL IS ALL ABOUT.

THAT'S WHAT OUR IMMIGRATION RENORM BILL IS ALL ABOUT.

BUT IF YOU LOOK AT ITALY, IF YOU RENORM BILL IS ALL ABOUT.

BUT IF YOU LOOK AT ITALY, IF YOU LOOK AT GERMANY.

BUT IF YOU LOOK AT ITALY, IF YOU LOOK AT GERMANY.

>> 1.7.

LOOK AT GERMANY.

>> 1.7.

>> YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN >> 1.7.

>> YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN PEOPLE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF -- >> YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN PEOPLE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF -- >> THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO GET TO PEOPLE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF -- >> THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO GET TO WHICH IS REALLY WHAT IS GOING ON >> THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO GET TO WHICH IS REALLY WHAT IS GOING ON HERE.

WHICH IS REALLY WHAT IS GOING ON HERE.

IS THE MORE EDUCATED WOMEN HAVE HERE.

IS THE MORE EDUCATED WOMEN HAVE FEWER CHILDREN.

IS THE MORE EDUCATED WOMEN HAVE FEWER CHILDREN.

ITALY HAS -- WHICH I ALWAYS FIND FEWER CHILDREN.

ITALY HAS -- WHICH I ALWAYS FIND FASCINATING, ROME, THE POPE, ITALY HAS -- WHICH I ALWAYS FIND FASCINATING, ROME, THE POPE, HEAD OF THE VATICAN CHURCH -- FASCINATING, ROME, THE POPE, HEAD OF THE VATICAN CHURCH -- >> AND THE -- HEAD OF THE VATICAN CHURCH -- >> AND THE -- >> WOMEN ARE HAVING 1.7 >> AND THE -- >> WOMEN ARE HAVING 1.7 CHILDREN.

>> WOMEN ARE HAVING 1.7 CHILDREN.

WHY?

CHILDREN.

WHY?

ITALY HAS THE HIGHEST NUMBER OF WHY?

ITALY HAS THE HIGHEST NUMBER OF PHD FEMALES IN THE WORLD.

ITALY HAS THE HIGHEST NUMBER OF PHD FEMALES IN THE WORLD.

AND SO WOMEN GET MORE EDUCATED PHD FEMALES IN THE WORLD.

AND SO WOMEN GET MORE EDUCATED THEY DON'T WANT TO PASSEL OF AND SO WOMEN GET MORE EDUCATED THEY DON'T WANT TO PASSEL OF KIDS TO TAKE CARE OF.

THEY DON'T WANT TO PASSEL OF KIDS TO TAKE CARE OF.

>> I THINK THAT IS ABSOLUTELY KIDS TO TAKE CARE OF.

>> I THINK THAT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE.

>> I THINK THAT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE.

NOT JUST TO THROW ANOTHER MONKEY TRUE.

NOT JUST TO THROW ANOTHER MONKEY WRENCH BUT SOMETHING OUT.

NOT JUST TO THROW ANOTHER MONKEY WRENCH BUT SOMETHING OUT.

THAT IS THE DECLINING ABILITY TO WRENCH BUT SOMETHING OUT.

THAT IS THE DECLINING ABILITY TO HAVE CHILDREN PHYSICALLY BECAUSE THAT IS THE DECLINING ABILITY TO HAVE CHILDREN PHYSICALLY BECAUSE OF FERTILITY PROBLEMS, LOW SPERM HAVE CHILDREN PHYSICALLY BECAUSE OF FERTILITY PROBLEMS, LOW SPERM COUNT, WOMEN FERTILITY PROBLEMS, OF FERTILITY PROBLEMS, LOW SPERM COUNT, WOMEN FERTILITY PROBLEMS, THAT BRINGS IN ANOTHER ENTIRELY COUNT, WOMEN FERTILITY PROBLEMS, THAT BRINGS IN ANOTHER ENTIRELY DIFFERENT SUBJECT I UNDERSTAND.

THAT BRINGS IN ANOTHER ENTIRELY DIFFERENT SUBJECT I UNDERSTAND.

BUT I THINK WE CAN'T BE LOOKING DIFFERENT SUBJECT I UNDERSTAND.

BUT I THINK WE CAN'T BE LOOKING AT THESE STATISTICS WITHOUT BUT I THINK WE CAN'T BE LOOKING AT THESE STATISTICS WITHOUT SAYING WHAT PART DOES THAT PLAY.

AT THESE STATISTICS WITHOUT SAYING WHAT PART DOES THAT PLAY.

>> I WANT TO BRING IT BACK TO SAYING WHAT PART DOES THAT PLAY.

>> I WANT TO BRING IT BACK TO EDUCATED WOMEN BECAUSE MY >> I WANT TO BRING IT BACK TO EDUCATED WOMEN BECAUSE MY GRANDMOTHER HAD NINE KIDS.

EDUCATED WOMEN BECAUSE MY GRANDMOTHER HAD NINE KIDS.

MY MOTHER HAD FIVE KIDS.

GRANDMOTHER HAD NINE KIDS.

MY MOTHER HAD FIVE KIDS.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT US IT DECLINES MY MOTHER HAD FIVE KIDS.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT US IT DECLINES DO WE HAVE MORE EDUCATION, YES.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT US IT DECLINES DO WE HAVE MORE EDUCATION, YES.

I DO THINK THAT NATURALLY WOMEN DO WE HAVE MORE EDUCATION, YES.

I DO THINK THAT NATURALLY WOMEN WANT TO HAVE CHILDREN BUT ALSO I DO THINK THAT NATURALLY WOMEN WANT TO HAVE CHILDREN BUT ALSO IT'S A CHOICE.

WANT TO HAVE CHILDREN BUT ALSO IT'S A CHOICE.

>> IT IS A CHOICE.

IT'S A CHOICE.

>> IT IS A CHOICE.

BUT LOOK, THE WAY -- THAT >> IT IS A CHOICE.

BUT LOOK, THE WAY -- THAT CORRELATION GOES WHEN WE HAVE BUT LOOK, THE WAY -- THAT CORRELATION GOES WHEN WE HAVE THE ENTIRE POPULATION WELL CORRELATION GOES WHEN WE HAVE THE ENTIRE POPULATION WELL EDUCATED YOU WON'T HAVE ANY THE ENTIRE POPULATION WELL EDUCATED YOU WON'T HAVE ANY CHILDREN.

EDUCATED YOU WON'T HAVE ANY CHILDREN.

THAT AIN'T WHAT I WANT.

CHILDREN.

THAT AIN'T WHAT I WANT.

I WANT TO BE A PD, A LAWYER, AN THAT AIN'T WHAT I WANT.

I WANT TO BE A PD, A LAWYER, AN MBA BE ABLE TO RAISE MY CHILDREN I WANT TO BE A PD, A LAWYER, AN MBA BE ABLE TO RAISE MY CHILDREN ONLY HAVE WHAT THEY HAVE IN MBA BE ABLE TO RAISE MY CHILDREN ONLY HAVE WHAT THEY HAVE IN EUROPE.

ONLY HAVE WHAT THEY HAVE IN EUROPE.

WHAT THEY HAVE IS EDUCATIONAL EUROPE.

WHAT THEY HAVE IS EDUCATIONAL CHILD CARE SO THAT I DON'T GO WHAT THEY HAVE IS EDUCATIONAL CHILD CARE SO THAT I DON'T GO OFF FEELING LIKE A GUILTY MOM.

CHILD CARE SO THAT I DON'T GO OFF FEELING LIKE A GUILTY MOM.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHY WE CAN'T OFF FEELING LIKE A GUILTY MOM.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHY WE CAN'T HAVE THAT INSTEAD OF SAYING, THE AND I DON'T KNOW WHY WE CAN'T HAVE THAT INSTEAD OF SAYING, THE ONLY WAY -- HAVE THAT INSTEAD OF SAYING, THE ONLY WAY -- >> WAIT.

ONLY WAY -- >> WAIT.

LAST WORD WE GOT TO GET OUT.

>> WAIT.

LAST WORD WE GOT TO GET OUT.

YOU'RE A CONSERVATIVE YOU'RE LAST WORD WE GOT TO GET OUT.

YOU'RE A CONSERVATIVE YOU'RE SAYING YES, YES, YES.

YOU'RE A CONSERVATIVE YOU'RE SAYING YES, YES, YES.

>> WE AGREE ON A LOT OF THESE SAYING YES, YES, YES.

>> WE AGREE ON A LOT OF THESE GLICK WOW.

>> WE AGREE ON A LOT OF THESE GLICK WOW.

>> THE POINT IS THAT WE NEED TO GLICK WOW.

>> THE POINT IS THAT WE NEED TO BE -- IT'S INTERESTING AS WE'VE >> THE POINT IS THAT WE NEED TO BE -- IT'S INTERESTING AS WE'VE HAD MORE WOMEN'S EDUCATION AND BE -- IT'S INTERESTING AS WE'VE HAD MORE WOMEN'S EDUCATION AND CAREER OPPORTUNITIES, IT'S BEEN HAD MORE WOMEN'S EDUCATION AND CAREER OPPORTUNITIES, IT'S BEEN ACCORDING TO SYSTEM THAT DOESN'T CAREER OPPORTUNITIES, IT'S BEEN ACCORDING TO SYSTEM THAT DOESN'T WORK WELL WITH WOMEN'S ACCORDING TO SYSTEM THAT DOESN'T WORK WELL WITH WOMEN'S BIOLOGICAL CLOCKS.

WORK WELL WITH WOMEN'S BIOLOGICAL CLOCKS.

WOMEN NEED TO BE MORE DEMANDING BIOLOGICAL CLOCKS.

WOMEN NEED TO BE MORE DEMANDING IN REGARD TO THAT ABOUT HOW WE WOMEN NEED TO BE MORE DEMANDING IN REGARD TO THAT ABOUT HOW WE GET OUR EDUCATIONAL CREDENTIALS.

IN REGARD TO THAT ABOUT HOW WE GET OUR EDUCATIONAL CREDENTIALS.

>> AND OUR CAREERS.

GET OUR EDUCATIONAL CREDENTIALS.

>> AND OUR CAREERS.

>> TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE >> AND OUR CAREERS.

>> TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE HAVING AVAILABLE ALL THE CHOICES >> TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE HAVING AVAILABLE ALL THE CHOICES THAT THEY WANT.

HAVING AVAILABLE ALL THE CHOICES THAT THEY WANT.

>> WISH WE COULD GO ON BUT OUT THAT THEY WANT.

>> WISH WE COULD GO ON BUT OUT OF TIME ON THIS FASCINATING TAP >> WISH WE COULD GO ON BUT OUT OF TIME ON THIS FASCINATING TAP I CAN.

OF TIME ON THIS FASCINATING TAP I CAN.

LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK ANY I CAN.

LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK ANY FOLLOW ME ON TWITTER OR LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK ANY FOLLOW ME ON TWITTER OR @TOTHECONCONTRARY.

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FROM CHILD FREE TO EGG DONATION.

@TOTHECONCONTRARY.

FROM CHILD FREE TO EGG DONATION.

WOMEN IN CALIFORNIA CAN'T SELL FROM CHILD FREE TO EGG DONATION.

WOMEN IN CALIFORNIA CAN'T SELL THEIR EGGS FOR RESEARCH.

WOMEN IN CALIFORNIA CAN'T SELL THEIR EGGS FOR RESEARCH.

GOVERNOR JERRY BROWN VETOED A THEIR EGGS FOR RESEARCH.

GOVERNOR JERRY BROWN VETOED A BILL THAT WOULD HAVE MADE THAT GOVERNOR JERRY BROWN VETOED A BILL THAT WOULD HAVE MADE THAT PRACTICE LEGAL.

BILL THAT WOULD HAVE MADE THAT PRACTICE LEGAL.

BROWN SAID, QUOTE, NOT PRACTICE LEGAL.

BROWN SAID, QUOTE, NOT EVERYTHING IN LIFE IS FOR SALE BROWN SAID, QUOTE, NOT EVERYTHING IN LIFE IS FOR SALE NORMA IT BE, END QUOTE.

EVERYTHING IN LIFE IS FOR SALE NORMA IT BE, END QUOTE.

STATE LEGISLATORS ARGUE WOMEN NORMA IT BE, END QUOTE.

STATE LEGISLATORS ARGUE WOMEN SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DECIDE FOR STATE LEGISLATORS ARGUE WOMEN SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES.

SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES.

MEANWHILE, SCIENTISTS ARE THEMSELVES.

MEANWHILE, SCIENTISTS ARE CONCERNED THAT WITHOUT FINANCIAL MEANWHILE, SCIENTISTS ARE CONCERNED THAT WITHOUT FINANCIAL INCENTIVES NOT ENOUGH DONORS CONCERNED THAT WITHOUT FINANCIAL INCENTIVES NOT ENOUGH DONORS WILL SIGN UP TO HELP THEM SEEK INCENTIVES NOT ENOUGH DONORS WILL SIGN UP TO HELP THEM SEEK CURES FOR DISEASES SUCH AS WILL SIGN UP TO HELP THEM SEEK CURES FOR DISEASES SUCH AS CANCER.

CURES FOR DISEASES SUCH AS CANCER.

PROPONENTS SAY IT'S A GENDER CANCER.

PROPONENTS SAY IT'S A GENDER PARODY ISSUE.

PROPONENTS SAY IT'S A GENDER PARODY ISSUE.

MEN CAN SELL THEIR SPERM WHY PARODY ISSUE.

MEN CAN SELL THEIR SPERM WHY CAN'T WOMEN SELL EGGS?

MEN CAN SELL THEIR SPERM WHY CAN'T WOMEN SELL EGGS?

NEW YORK IS THE ONLY STATE THAT CAN'T WOMEN SELL EGGS?

NEW YORK IS THE ONLY STATE THAT ALLOWS WOMEN TO BE PAID FOR EGGS NEW YORK IS THE ONLY STATE THAT ALLOWS WOMEN TO BE PAID FOR EGGS DONATED FOR HUMAN EMBRYONIC STEM ALLOWS WOMEN TO BE PAID FOR EGGS DONATED FOR HUMAN EMBRYONIC STEM CELL RESEARCH.

DONATED FOR HUMAN EMBRYONIC STEM CELL RESEARCH.

AND THERE ARE, BY THE WAY, OTHER CELL RESEARCH.

AND THERE ARE, BY THE WAY, OTHER STATES SUCH AS OREGON WHERE AND THERE ARE, BY THE WAY, OTHER STATES SUCH AS OREGON WHERE THEY'RE PAID FOR THEIR EGGS STATES SUCH AS OREGON WHERE THEY'RE PAID FOR THEIR EGGS WHERE IT'S NEITHER AFFIRMATIVELY THEY'RE PAID FOR THEIR EGGS WHERE IT'S NEITHER AFFIRMATIVELY LEGAL NOR ILLEGAL TO GET PAID WHERE IT'S NEITHER AFFIRMATIVELY LEGAL NOR ILLEGAL TO GET PAID FOR THEM.

LEGAL NOR ILLEGAL TO GET PAID FOR THEM.

I DON'T GET IT.

FOR THEM.

I DON'T GET IT.

MEN CAN SELL THEIR SPERM AND GET I DON'T GET IT.

MEN CAN SELL THEIR SPERM AND GET MONEY AND WOMEN CAN DONATE EGGS MEN CAN SELL THEIR SPERM AND GET MONEY AND WOMEN CAN DONATE EGGS NOT GET MONEY?

MONEY AND WOMEN CAN DONATE EGGS NOT GET MONEY?

WHERE IS THE LODGE TRICK?

NOT GET MONEY?

WHERE IS THE LODGE TRICK?

>> THERE IS NO LOGIC THERE.

WHERE IS THE LODGE TRICK?

>> THERE IS NO LOGIC THERE.

IT'S A MAN'S WORLD AS IS SAID.

>> THERE IS NO LOGIC THERE.

IT'S A MAN'S WORLD AS IS SAID.

IT TAKES A SPERM AND EGG TO MAKE IT'S A MAN'S WORLD AS IS SAID.

IT TAKES A SPERM AND EGG TO MAKE A CHILD, WE SHOULD BE EQUAL.

IT TAKES A SPERM AND EGG TO MAKE A CHILD, WE SHOULD BE EQUAL.

IF MEN CAN DONATE THEIR SPERM A CHILD, WE SHOULD BE EQUAL.

IF MEN CAN DONATE THEIR SPERM WHY CAN'T WE DONATE OUR EGGS.

IF MEN CAN DONATE THEIR SPERM WHY CAN'T WE DONATE OUR EGGS.

IF I DECIDED TO DONATE I WANT TO WHY CAN'T WE DONATE OUR EGGS.

IF I DECIDED TO DONATE I WANT TO KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING.

IF I DECIDED TO DONATE I WANT TO KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING.

I DON'T WANT LITTLE ANGELAS KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING.

I DON'T WANT LITTLE ANGELAS RUNNING AROUND.

I DON'T WANT LITTLE ANGELAS RUNNING AROUND.

IF WE WANT TO DONATE OUR EGGS I RUNNING AROUND.

IF WE WANT TO DONATE OUR EGGS I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE THAT IF WE WANT TO DONATE OUR EGGS I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE THAT CHOICE.

THINK WE SHOULD HAVE THAT CHOICE.

>> DIDN'T HE ALSO SAY, AIN'T CHOICE.

>> DIDN'T HE ALSO SAY, AIN'T KNOCK WITHOUT A WOMAN OR A GIRL?

>> DIDN'T HE ALSO SAY, AIN'T KNOCK WITHOUT A WOMAN OR A GIRL?

>> ALL RIGHT!

KNOCK WITHOUT A WOMAN OR A GIRL?

>> ALL RIGHT!

>> HENCE THE EGG.

>> ALL RIGHT!

>> HENCE THE EGG.

IT'S ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS.

>> HENCE THE EGG.

IT'S ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS.

I THINK IT'S NUTS IF WOMEN CAN'T IT'S ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS.

I THINK IT'S NUTS IF WOMEN CAN'T SELL THEIR EGGS THEN MEN I THINK IT'S NUTS IF WOMEN CAN'T SELL THEIR EGGS THEN MEN SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SELL THEIR SELL THEIR EGGS THEN MEN SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SELL THEIR SPERM.

SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SELL THEIR SPERM.

>> THIS IS A DEMOCRATIC, VERY SPERM.

>> THIS IS A DEMOCRATIC, VERY PROGRESSIVE JERRY BROWN.

>> THIS IS A DEMOCRATIC, VERY PROGRESSIVE JERRY BROWN.

YOU DON'T GET MUCH MORE LEFT PROGRESSIVE JERRY BROWN.

YOU DON'T GET MUCH MORE LEFT THAN -- YOU DON'T GET MUCH MORE LEFT THAN -- >> YOU DON'T.

THAN -- >> YOU DON'T.

IT'S NOT UNDERSTANDABLE TO ME, >> YOU DON'T.

IT'S NOT UNDERSTANDABLE TO ME, ONLY THING THAT I CAN MAKE IT IT'S NOT UNDERSTANDABLE TO ME, ONLY THING THAT I CAN MAKE IT MAKE SENSE IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU ONLY THING THAT I CAN MAKE IT MAKE SENSE IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID.

MAKE SENSE IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID.

IT'S SEXIST.

SAID.

IT'S SEXIST.

>> JERRY BROWN -- HE WAS IN MY IT'S SEXIST.

>> JERRY BROWN -- HE WAS IN MY LAW SCHOOL CLASS AT YALE.

>> JERRY BROWN -- HE WAS IN MY LAW SCHOOL CLASS AT YALE.

>> HE'S UNIQUE.

LAW SCHOOL CLASS AT YALE.

>> HE'S UNIQUE.

>> JERRY BROWN OF COURSE AND I >> HE'S UNIQUE.

>> JERRY BROWN OF COURSE AND I DON'T THINK STUDYING TO BE A >> JERRY BROWN OF COURSE AND I DON'T THINK STUDYING TO BE A JESUIT PRIEST THEN GIVING IT UP DON'T THINK STUDYING TO BE A JESUIT PRIEST THEN GIVING IT UP HAD TO DO WITH HIS SPANS ON JESUIT PRIEST THEN GIVING IT UP HAD TO DO WITH HIS SPANS ON ABORTION.

HAD TO DO WITH HIS SPANS ON ABORTION.

HE'S NOT ASSOCIATED GREAT WITH ABORTION.

HE'S NOT ASSOCIATED GREAT WITH THINK OF THESE CAUSES.

HE'S NOT ASSOCIATED GREAT WITH THINK OF THESE CAUSES.

THE PART OF JERRY BROWNIE IS THINK OF THESE CAUSES.

THE PART OF JERRY BROWNIE IS AGAINST THE COMMERCIALISM OF THE THE PART OF JERRY BROWNIE IS AGAINST THE COMMERCIALISM OF THE SOCIETY THAT'S PART HE CASE FROM AGAINST THE COMMERCIALISM OF THE SOCIETY THAT'S PART HE CASE FROM THE C.A.T.

OLYMPIC CHURCH FROM SOCIETY THAT'S PART HE CASE FROM THE C.A.T.

OLYMPIC CHURCH FROM HIS -- I THINK THAT IS A PART -- THE C.A.T.

OLYMPIC CHURCH FROM HIS -- I THINK THAT IS A PART -- >> NOT EVERYTHING IS FOR SALE.

HIS -- I THINK THAT IS A PART -- >> NOT EVERYTHING IS FOR SALE.

>> RIGHT.

>> NOT EVERYTHING IS FOR SALE.

>> RIGHT.

NOT EVERYTHING IS FOR SALE.

>> RIGHT.

NOT EVERYTHING IS FOR SALE.

YOU CAN ALMOST COMMISERATE WITH NOT EVERYTHING IS FOR SALE.

YOU CAN ALMOST COMMISERATE WITH THAT.

YOU CAN ALMOST COMMISERATE WITH THAT.

BUT I HAVE TO TELL YOU WHEN I THAT.

BUT I HAVE TO TELL YOU WHEN I READ OF WHAT IT TAKES, 60 HOURS, BUT I HAVE TO TELL YOU WHEN I READ OF WHAT IT TAKES, 60 HOURS, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SPERM READ OF WHAT IT TAKES, 60 HOURS, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SPERM AND THE EGG IS -- APPARENTLY TO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SPERM AND THE EGG IS -- APPARENTLY TO GET THIS EGG -- AND THE EGG IS -- APPARENTLY TO GET THIS EGG -- >> THE REASON THEY'RE NOT THE GET THIS EGG -- >> THE REASON THEY'RE NOT THE SAME IS THE PROCESS IS NOT >> THE REASON THEY'RE NOT THE SAME IS THE PROCESS IS NOT NEARLY THE SAME.

SAME IS THE PROCESS IS NOT NEARLY THE SAME.

SPERM DONATION -- NEARLY THE SAME.

SPERM DONATION -- >> MOHAIR DUE WITH US.

SPERM DONATION -- >> MOHAIR DUE WITH US.

>> I UNDERSTAND THAT.

>> MOHAIR DUE WITH US.

>> I UNDERSTAND THAT.

IT DOESN'T IMPEDE ON SCIENTIFIC >> I UNDERSTAND THAT.

IT DOESN'T IMPEDE ON SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH.

IT DOESN'T IMPEDE ON SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH.

I HAVE YOU CAN DONATE TO RESEARCH.

I HAVE YOU CAN DONATE TO ERADICATE LUPUS I WOULD DO IT.

I HAVE YOU CAN DONATE TO ERADICATE LUPUS I WOULD DO IT.

CANCER RESEARCH, UNDERSTAND THAT ERADICATE LUPUS I WOULD DO IT.

CANCER RESEARCH, UNDERSTAND THAT IT TAKES MORE TIME TO EXTRACT CANCER RESEARCH, UNDERSTAND THAT IT TAKES MORE TIME TO EXTRACT NOT JUST PUTTING IT IN A CUP.

IT TAKES MORE TIME TO EXTRACT NOT JUST PUTTING IT IN A CUP.

BUT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE NOT JUST PUTTING IT IN A CUP.

BUT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT SAME -- BUT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT SAME -- >> PUTS THOSE WOMEN AT RISK FROM THAT SAME -- >> PUTS THOSE WOMEN AT RISK FROM WHOM THE EGGS ARE HARVESTED.

>> PUTS THOSE WOMEN AT RISK FROM WHOM THE EGGS ARE HARVESTED.

HE ALSO SAID IN THERE -- WHOM THE EGGS ARE HARVESTED.

HE ALSO SAID IN THERE -- >> THAT IS NOT -- HE ALSO SAID IN THERE -- >> THAT IS NOT -- >> THE POINT IS HE SAID IN THAT >> THAT IS NOT -- >> THE POINT IS HE SAID IN THAT REFUSAL THAT SOME THINGS IN LIFE >> THE POINT IS HE SAID IN THAT REFUSAL THAT SOME THINGS IN LIFE AREN'T FOR SALE BUT ALSO SAID REFUSAL THAT SOME THINGS IN LIFE AREN'T FOR SALE BUT ALSO SAID THERE'S NO REAL THING AS AREN'T FOR SALE BUT ALSO SAID THERE'S NO REAL THING AS INFORMED CONSENT BECAUSE WE KNOW THERE'S NO REAL THING AS INFORMED CONSENT BECAUSE WE KNOW SO LITTLE ABOUT IT.

INFORMED CONSENT BECAUSE WE KNOW SO LITTLE ABOUT IT.

WE KNOW SO LITTLE ABOUT HOW IT SO LITTLE ABOUT IT.

WE KNOW SO LITTLE ABOUT HOW IT AFFECTS THE WOMEN WHO ARE -- WE KNOW SO LITTLE ABOUT HOW IT AFFECTS THE WOMEN WHO ARE -- THEIR OVARIES ARE OVER AFFECTS THE WOMEN WHO ARE -- THEIR OVARIES ARE OVER STIMULATED, HYPER STIP MU LATED THEIR OVARIES ARE OVER STIMULATED, HYPER STIP MU LATED -- STIMULATED, HYPER STIP MU LATED -- >> BUT NOT IN EVERY CASE.

-- >> BUT NOT IN EVERY CASE.

IT IS A SURGICAL PROCEDURE.

>> BUT NOT IN EVERY CASE.

IT IS A SURGICAL PROCEDURE.

>> I BELIEVE THAT IF MEN CAN DO IT IS A SURGICAL PROCEDURE.

>> I BELIEVE THAT IF MEN CAN DO IT, WOMEN SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO >> I BELIEVE THAT IF MEN CAN DO IT, WOMEN SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO IT, TOO.

IT, WOMEN SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO IT, TOO.

IF IT CAN ERADICATE CERTAIN IT, TOO.

IF IT CAN ERADICATE CERTAIN DISEASES.

IF IT CAN ERADICATE CERTAIN DISEASES.

>> YOU WOULD DONATE FOR MEDICAL DISEASES.

>> YOU WOULD DONATE FOR MEDICAL RESEARCH.

>> YOU WOULD DONATE FOR MEDICAL RESEARCH.

>> RIGHT.

RESEARCH.

>> RIGHT.

>> NOT USED TO CREATE SAW CHILD.

>> RIGHT.

>> NOT USED TO CREATE SAW CHILD.

>> NO.

>> NOT USED TO CREATE SAW CHILD.

>> NO.

>> UNDER THE LAW DO YOU HAVE >> NO.

>> UNDER THE LAW DO YOU HAVE CONTROL LIKE THAT WHEN YOU MAKE >> UNDER THE LAW DO YOU HAVE CONTROL LIKE THAT WHEN YOU MAKE DONATIONS?

CONTROL LIKE THAT WHEN YOU MAKE DONATIONS?

>> THIS IS THE STEM CELL DONATIONS?

>> THIS IS THE STEM CELL RESEARCH.

>> THIS IS THE STEM CELL RESEARCH.

THAT IS CONTROVERSIAL IN AND OF RESEARCH.

THAT IS CONTROVERSIAL IN AND OF ITSELF.

THAT IS CONTROVERSIAL IN AND OF ITSELF.

IT MAY HAVE TO DO WITH A LOT OF ITSELF.

IT MAY HAVE TO DO WITH A LOT OF THE OPPOSITION.

IT MAY HAVE TO DO WITH A LOT OF THE OPPOSITION.

>> CAN YOU DONATE AND BE PAID THE OPPOSITION.

>> CAN YOU DONATE AND BE PAID FOR IN SOME STATES MAYBE AN EGG >> CAN YOU DONATE AND BE PAID FOR IN SOME STATES MAYBE AN EGG AND SAY THIS IS STRICTLY FOR -- FOR IN SOME STATES MAYBE AN EGG AND SAY THIS IS STRICTLY FOR -- >> I HAVE NOT HEARD -- AND SAY THIS IS STRICTLY FOR -- >> I HAVE NOT HEARD -- >> MOST OF THE STATES HAVE NO >> I HAVE NOT HEARD -- >> MOST OF THE STATES HAVE NO REGULATION WHATSOEVER IT CAN BE >> MOST OF THE STATES HAVE NO REGULATION WHATSOEVER IT CAN BE USED IN ANY WAY RESEARCHERS USES REGULATION WHATSOEVER IT CAN BE USED IN ANY WAY RESEARCHERS USES IT.

USED IN ANY WAY RESEARCHERS USES IT.

>> THAT'S WHY I PREFACE AS FACT IT.

>> THAT'S WHY I PREFACE AS FACT I DON'T KNOW WE SHOULD CREATE A >> THAT'S WHY I PREFACE AS FACT I DON'T KNOW WE SHOULD CREATE A CHILD BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE WHEN I DON'T KNOW WE SHOULD CREATE A CHILD BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE WHEN THE SPERM MEETS THE EGG THERE'S CHILD BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE WHEN THE SPERM MEETS THE EGG THERE'S A CHILD.

THE SPERM MEETS THE EGG THERE'S A CHILD.

HOWEVER, IF I COULD DONATE MY A CHILD.

HOWEVER, IF I COULD DONATE MY EGG IT CAN HELP I THINK WE HOWEVER, IF I COULD DONATE MY EGG IT CAN HELP I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE THAT OPTION.

EGG IT CAN HELP I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE THAT OPTION.

>> WAIT A SECOND, YOU CAN STILL SHOULD HAVE THAT OPTION.

>> WAIT A SECOND, YOU CAN STILL CREATE -- WHEN YOU CREATE STEM >> WAIT A SECOND, YOU CAN STILL CREATE -- WHEN YOU CREATE STEM CELLS YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN EGG CREATE -- WHEN YOU CREATE STEM CELLS YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN EGG AND SPERM IT'S NOT GOING TO CELLS YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN EGG AND SPERM IT'S NOT GOING TO BECOME A CHILD BUT IT IS STILL AND SPERM IT'S NOT GOING TO BECOME A CHILD BUT IT IS STILL USED IN A PETRI DISH.

BECOME A CHILD BUT IT IS STILL USED IN A PETRI DISH.

>> IMAGINE PUTTING THE EGG AND USED IN A PETRI DISH.

>> IMAGINE PUTTING THE EGG AND SPERM TOGETHER FROM MY >> IMAGINE PUTTING THE EGG AND SPERM TOGETHER FROM MY SPIRITUALITY IS A CHILD.

SPERM TOGETHER FROM MY SPIRITUALITY IS A CHILD.

SO THEREFORE, I PULL BACK SPIRITUALITY IS A CHILD.

SO THEREFORE, I PULL BACK SUPPORTING FIT THAT IS WHAT THE SO THEREFORE, I PULL BACK SUPPORTING FIT THAT IS WHAT THE RESEARCH IS FOR.

SUPPORTING FIT THAT IS WHAT THE RESEARCH IS FOR.

BUT FROM WHAT I'VE READ RESEARCH IS FOR.

BUT FROM WHAT I'VE READ INFORMATION I WAS GIVEN IS BUT FROM WHAT I'VE READ INFORMATION I WAS GIVEN IS DONATING THE EGG FOR RESEARCH INFORMATION I WAS GIVEN IS DONATING THE EGG FOR RESEARCH THAT COULD ERADICATE CANCER.

DONATING THE EGG FOR RESEARCH THAT COULD ERADICATE CANCER.

FOR STEM CELL RESEARCH I WAS NOT THAT COULD ERADICATE CANCER.

FOR STEM CELL RESEARCH I WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT.

FOR STEM CELL RESEARCH I WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT.

>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I AWARE OF THAT.

>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I GET THIS CLEAR.

>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I GET THIS CLEAR.

>> SURE.

GET THIS CLEAR.

>> SURE.

>> IT'S NOT OKAY TO GIVE AN EGG >> SURE.

>> IT'S NOT OKAY TO GIVE AN EGG TO MAKE A CHILD BECAUSE OF YOUR >> IT'S NOT OKAY TO GIVE AN EGG TO MAKE A CHILD BECAUSE OF YOUR RELIGIOUS -- TO MAKE A CHILD BECAUSE OF YOUR RELIGIOUS -- >> NO.

RELIGIOUS -- >> NO.

IF MY SISTER WANTED TO HAVE A -- >> NO.

IF MY SISTER WANTED TO HAVE A -- >> OUTSIDE YOU, OUTSIDE YOU, IF MY SISTER WANTED TO HAVE A -- >> OUTSIDE YOU, OUTSIDE YOU, SHOULD IT BE OKAY FOR A -- >> OUTSIDE YOU, OUTSIDE YOU, SHOULD IT BE OKAY FOR A -- >> "HAVE A CHOICE IF THEY WANT SHOULD IT BE OKAY FOR A -- >> "HAVE A CHOICE IF THEY WANT TO DONATE THEIR EGG TO CREATE A >> "HAVE A CHOICE IF THEY WANT TO DONATE THEIR EGG TO CREATE A LIFE.

TO DONATE THEIR EGG TO CREATE A LIFE.

>> OKAY.

LIFE.

>> OKAY.

>> BUT TO CREATE A LIFE TO >> OKAY.

>> BUT TO CREATE A LIFE TO EXPERIMENT ON THAT LIFE TO >> BUT TO CREATE A LIFE TO EXPERIMENT ON THAT LIFE TO ERADICATE DISEASE IS A NO.

EXPERIMENT ON THAT LIFE TO ERADICATE DISEASE IS A NO.

>> ALL RIGHT.

ERADICATE DISEASE IS A NO.

>> ALL RIGHT.

WE'RE OUT OF TIME ON THIS ONE.

>> ALL RIGHT.

WE'RE OUT OF TIME ON THIS ONE.

BEHIND THE HEADLINES.

WE'RE OUT OF TIME ON THIS ONE.

BEHIND THE HEADLINES.

SEXUAL ASSAULT IN THE MILITARY.

BEHIND THE HEADLINES.

SEXUAL ASSAULT IN THE MILITARY.

THE AIR FORCE HAS A NEW WEAPON SEXUAL ASSAULT IN THE MILITARY.

THE AIR FORCE HAS A NEW WEAPON IN ITS ARSENAL TO COMBAT TEA THE AIR FORCE HAS A NEW WEAPON IN ITS ARSENAL TO COMBAT TEA SALT IT'S MAJOR GENERAL MARGARET IN ITS ARSENAL TO COMBAT TEA SALT IT'S MAJOR GENERAL MARGARET WOODWARD.

SALT IT'S MAJOR GENERAL MARGARET WOODWARD.

GENERAL WOODWARD HAS ONLY BEEN WOODWARD.

GENERAL WOODWARD HAS ONLY BEEN ON THE JOB FOR TWO MONTHS.

GENERAL WOODWARD HAS ONLY BEEN ON THE JOB FOR TWO MONTHS.

AND IS THE FIRST WOMAN TO LEAD ON THE JOB FOR TWO MONTHS.

AND IS THE FIRST WOMAN TO LEAD THE AIR FORCE OFFICE ON SEXUAL AND IS THE FIRST WOMAN TO LEAD THE AIR FORCE OFFICE ON SEXUAL ASSAULT PREVENTION AND RESPONSE.

THE AIR FORCE OFFICE ON SEXUAL ASSAULT PREVENTION AND RESPONSE.

IT'S A TOUGH JOB MADE EVEN ASSAULT PREVENTION AND RESPONSE.

IT'S A TOUGH JOB MADE EVEN TOUGHER BY THREE FACTORS.

IT'S A TOUGH JOB MADE EVEN TOUGHER BY THREE FACTORS.

FIRST, SHE REPLACED LIEUTENANT TOUGHER BY THREE FACTORS.

FIRST, SHE REPLACED LIEUTENANT COLONEL JEFFREY WHO HAD JUST FIRST, SHE REPLACED LIEUTENANT COLONEL JEFFREY WHO HAD JUST BEEN CHARGED WITH SEXUAL BATTERY COLONEL JEFFREY WHO HAD JUST BEEN CHARGED WITH SEXUAL BATTERY A CHARGE LATER REPLACED BY BEEN CHARGED WITH SEXUAL BATTERY A CHARGE LATER REPLACED BY GENERIC ASSAULT.

A CHARGE LATER REPLACED BY GENERIC ASSAULT.

SECOND, INFLUENTIAL DEMOCRATIC GENERIC ASSAULT.

SECOND, INFLUENTIAL DEMOCRATIC SENATOR IS PUSHING A BILL THAT SECOND, INFLUENTIAL DEMOCRATIC SENATOR IS PUSHING A BILL THAT WOULD TAKE PROSECUTION OF SENATOR IS PUSHING A BILL THAT WOULD TAKE PROSECUTION OF MILITARY SEXUAL ASSAULT CASES WOULD TAKE PROSECUTION OF MILITARY SEXUAL ASSAULT CASES OUT OF THE CHAIN OF COMMAND.

MILITARY SEXUAL ASSAULT CASES OUT OF THE CHAIN OF COMMAND.

SOMETHING WOODWARD OPPOSES.

OUT OF THE CHAIN OF COMMAND.

SOMETHING WOODWARD OPPOSES.

>> I COUNT ON THE CHAIN OF SOMETHING WOODWARD OPPOSES.

>> I COUNT ON THE CHAIN OF COMMAND TO SET THE RIGHT CLIMATE >> I COUNT ON THE CHAIN OF COMMAND TO SET THE RIGHT CLIMATE TO HOLD ACCOUNTABLE THE MEMBERS COMMAND TO SET THE RIGHT CLIMATE TO HOLD ACCOUNTABLE THE MEMBERS IN THEIR UNIT AND I NEED TO HAVE TO HOLD ACCOUNTABLE THE MEMBERS IN THEIR UNIT AND I NEED TO HAVE THOSE TWO TOGETHER.

IN THEIR UNIT AND I NEED TO HAVE THOSE TWO TOGETHER.

I'M AFRAID IF WE TAKE IT OUT OF THOSE TWO TOGETHER.

I'M AFRAID IF WE TAKE IT OUT OF THEIR LANE, GIVE IT TO SOMEONE I'M AFRAID IF WE TAKE IT OUT OF THEIR LANE, GIVE IT TO SOMEONE ELSE, NOT ONLY WILL IT NOT HELP THEIR LANE, GIVE IT TO SOMEONE ELSE, NOT ONLY WILL IT NOT HELP IN FACT AS THEY HAVE SEEN ELSE, NOT ONLY WILL IT NOT HELP IN FACT AS THEY HAVE SEEN OVERSEAS THAT IT ACTUALLY IN FACT AS THEY HAVE SEEN OVERSEAS THAT IT ACTUALLY HAMPERS THE PROSECUTION AND OVERSEAS THAT IT ACTUALLY HAMPERS THE PROSECUTION AND LENGTHENS THEIR PROSECUTION HAMPERS THE PROSECUTION AND LENGTHENS THEIR PROSECUTION RATES.

LENGTHENS THEIR PROSECUTION RATES.

>> SENATOR TOLD US THIS SUMMER, RATES.

>> SENATOR TOLD US THIS SUMMER, TAKING PROSECUTION OUT OF THE >> SENATOR TOLD US THIS SUMMER, TAKING PROSECUTION OUT OF THE CHAIN OF COMMAND HAS WORKED IN TAKING PROSECUTION OUT OF THE CHAIN OF COMMAND HAS WORKED IN OTHER COUNTRIES.

CHAIN OF COMMAND HAS WORKED IN OTHER COUNTRIES.

>> RESPONSIBILITY WE'RE GIVING OTHER COUNTRIES.

>> RESPONSIBILITY WE'RE GIVING TO THESE TRAINED MILITARY >> RESPONSIBILITY WE'RE GIVING TO THESE TRAINED MILITARY PROSECUTORS IS JUST TO MAKE ONE TO THESE TRAINED MILITARY PROSECUTORS IS JUST TO MAKE ONE LEGAL DECISION.

PROSECUTORS IS JUST TO MAKE ONE LEGAL DECISION.

IS THERE ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO GO LEGAL DECISION.

IS THERE ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO GO TO TRIAL.

IS THERE ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO GO TO TRIAL.

AND THAT TAKES LEGAL TRAINING.

TO TRIAL.

AND THAT TAKES LEGAL TRAINING.

IT TAKES PROSECUTORIAL AND THAT TAKES LEGAL TRAINING.

IT TAKES PROSECUTORIAL DISCRETION.

IT TAKES PROSECUTORIAL DISCRETION.

SO I BELIEVE THAT OBJECTIVE DISCRETION.

SO I BELIEVE THAT OBJECTIVE REVIEW WILL BE FAIR BOTH TO THE SO I BELIEVE THAT OBJECTIVE REVIEW WILL BE FAIR BOTH TO THE VICTIM AND THE DEFENDANT.

REVIEW WILL BE FAIR BOTH TO THE VICTIM AND THE DEFENDANT.

>> BUT GENERAL WOODWARD VICTIM AND THE DEFENDANT.

>> BUT GENERAL WOODWARD DISAGREES.

>> BUT GENERAL WOODWARD DISAGREES.

>> THEY ACTUALLY DID THAT TO DISAGREES.

>> THEY ACTUALLY DID THAT TO HELP THE ACCUSED, RIGHTS OF THE >> THEY ACTUALLY DID THAT TO HELP THE ACCUSED, RIGHTS OF THE ACCUSED IS WHY THEY CHANGED HELP THE ACCUSED, RIGHTS OF THE ACCUSED IS WHY THEY CHANGED THEIR SYSTEM.

ACCUSED IS WHY THEY CHANGED THEIR SYSTEM.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT THEIR THEIR SYSTEM.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT THEIR STATISTICS AND HOW THEIR SYSTEM AND IF YOU LOOK AT THEIR STATISTICS AND HOW THEIR SYSTEM HAS PROGRESSED SINCE THEY STATISTICS AND HOW THEIR SYSTEM HAS PROGRESSED SINCE THEY CHANGED THEIR SYSTEM IN NO CASE HAS PROGRESSED SINCE THEY CHANGED THEIR SYSTEM IN NO CASE HAVE THEY GOTTEN BETTER RESULTS CHANGED THEIR SYSTEM IN NO CASE HAVE THEY GOTTEN BETTER RESULTS AND IT'S ACTUALLY TAKEN LONGER HAVE THEY GOTTEN BETTER RESULTS AND IT'S ACTUALLY TAKEN LONGER TO GET PROSECUTION THROUGH.

AND IT'S ACTUALLY TAKEN LONGER TO GET PROSECUTION THROUGH.

I THINK WHAT IS KEY TO THIS IS TO GET PROSECUTION THROUGH.

I THINK WHAT IS KEY TO THIS IS ATTACKING ANY OF THE LITTLE I THINK WHAT IS KEY TO THIS IS ATTACKING ANY OF THE LITTLE LOOPHOLES THAT ARE OUT THERE ATTACKING ANY OF THE LITTLE LOOPHOLES THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT HAVE CAUSED A PROBLEM IN LOOPHOLES THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT HAVE CAUSED A PROBLEM IN THE SYSTEM.

THAT HAVE CAUSED A PROBLEM IN THE SYSTEM.

>> THE THIRD KNACK FOR IS THE THE SYSTEM.

>> THE THIRD KNACK FOR IS THE AIR FORCE ISSUED A NEW POLICY >> THE THIRD KNACK FOR IS THE AIR FORCE ISSUED A NEW POLICY LAST MONTH UNDER WHICH AIRMEN AIR FORCE ISSUED A NEW POLICY LAST MONTH UNDER WHICH AIRMEN WHO COMMIT ANY TYPE OF SEXUAL LAST MONTH UNDER WHICH AIRMEN WHO COMMIT ANY TYPE OF SEXUAL MISCONDUCT, WHETHER GROPING A WHO COMMIT ANY TYPE OF SEXUAL MISCONDUCT, WHETHER GROPING A CO-WORKER OR RAPE, FACE MISCONDUCT, WHETHER GROPING A CO-WORKER OR RAPE, FACE DISMISSAL FROM THE SERVICE.

CO-WORKER OR RAPE, FACE DISMISSAL FROM THE SERVICE.

TWO MONTHS IN TO HER JOB GENERAL DISMISSAL FROM THE SERVICE.

TWO MONTHS IN TO HER JOB GENERAL WOODWARD SAYS SHE'S ENCOURAGED TWO MONTHS IN TO HER JOB GENERAL WOODWARD SAYS SHE'S ENCOURAGED BY AN INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF WOODWARD SAYS SHE'S ENCOURAGED BY AN INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF REPORTED CASES OF SEXUAL ASSAULT BY AN INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF REPORTED CASES OF SEXUAL ASSAULT IN THE MILITARY.

REPORTED CASES OF SEXUAL ASSAULT IN THE MILITARY.

>> AS DEPRESSED AS TIM SEE THE IN THE MILITARY.

>> AS DEPRESSED AS TIM SEE THE AIRMEN AND THE ISSUES I'M HAPPY >> AS DEPRESSED AS TIM SEE THE AIRMEN AND THE ISSUES I'M HAPPY TO SEE THE REPORTING BECAUSE AIRMEN AND THE ISSUES I'M HAPPY TO SEE THE REPORTING BECAUSE THAT'S A FAITH IN THE SYSTEM TO SEE THE REPORTING BECAUSE THAT'S A FAITH IN THE SYSTEM THAT'S AIRMEN WHO FEEL THAT'S A FAITH IN THE SYSTEM THAT'S AIRMEN WHO FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH COMING FORWARD THAT'S AIRMEN WHO FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH COMING FORWARD AND REPORTING WHICH IS A HUGE COMFORTABLE WITH COMING FORWARD AND REPORTING WHICH IS A HUGE CHALLENGE.

AND REPORTING WHICH IS A HUGE CHALLENGE.

>> THERE WERE AN ESTIMATED CHALLENGE.

>> THERE WERE AN ESTIMATED 26,000 CASES OF UNWANTED SEXUAL >> THERE WERE AN ESTIMATED 26,000 CASES OF UNWANTED SEXUAL CONTACT LAST YEAR, APPROXIMATELY 26,000 CASES OF UNWANTED SEXUAL CONTACT LAST YEAR, APPROXIMATELY 3400 WERE REPORTED.

CONTACT LAST YEAR, APPROXIMATELY 3400 WERE REPORTED.

800 OF THEM WERE IN THE AIR 3400 WERE REPORTED.

800 OF THEM WERE IN THE AIR FORCE.

800 OF THEM WERE IN THE AIR FORCE.

THE COMMON BUT MISTAKEN BELIEF FORCE.

THE COMMON BUT MISTAKEN BELIEF IS THAT THE MAJORITY OF VICTIMS THE COMMON BUT MISTAKEN BELIEF IS THAT THE MAJORITY OF VICTIMS ARE WOMEN, BUT IN FACT 53% WERE IS THAT THE MAJORITY OF VICTIMS ARE WOMEN, BUT IN FACT 53% WERE MEN ATTACKED MOSTLY BY OTHER ARE WOMEN, BUT IN FACT 53% WERE MEN ATTACKED MOSTLY BY OTHER MEN.

MEN ATTACKED MOSTLY BY OTHER MEN.

>> THIS IS NOT A GENDER ISSUE, MEN.

>> THIS IS NOT A GENDER ISSUE, IT IS A PROBLEM THAT AFFECTS >> THIS IS NOT A GENDER ISSUE, IT IS A PROBLEM THAT AFFECTS BOTH MALES AND FEMALES.

IT IS A PROBLEM THAT AFFECTS BOTH MALES AND FEMALES.

I THINK THERE IS A LOT THAT WE BOTH MALES AND FEMALES.

I THINK THERE IS A LOT THAT WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT I THINK THERE IS A LOT THAT WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT ESPECIALLY MALE VICTIMS TO BE NEED TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT ESPECIALLY MALE VICTIMS TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.

ESPECIALLY MALE VICTIMS TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.

AND PERPETRATORS HAVE A LOT OF HONEST WITH YOU.

AND PERPETRATORS HAVE A LOT OF SIMILARITIES BECAUSE IT'S REALLY AND PERPETRATORS HAVE A LOT OF SIMILARITIES BECAUSE IT'S REALLY MUCH MORE ABOUT POWER AND SIMILARITIES BECAUSE IT'S REALLY MUCH MORE ABOUT POWER AND CONTROL THAN IT IS ABOUT SEX.

MUCH MORE ABOUT POWER AND CONTROL THAN IT IS ABOUT SEX.

>> WOODWARD SAYS NOBODY WANTS TO CONTROL THAN IT IS ABOUT SEX.

>> WOODWARD SAYS NOBODY WANTS TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM MORE THAN THE >> WOODWARD SAYS NOBODY WANTS TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM MORE THAN THE MILITARY.

SOLVE THIS PROBLEM MORE THAN THE MILITARY.

BUT THAT REQUIRES BUILDING A MILITARY.

BUT THAT REQUIRES BUILDING A CULTURE THAT SUPPORTS VICTIMS BUT THAT REQUIRES BUILDING A CULTURE THAT SUPPORTS VICTIMS AND MAKES THEM FEEL SAFE TO STEP CULTURE THAT SUPPORTS VICTIMS AND MAKES THEM FEEL SAFE TO STEP FORWARD.

AND MAKES THEM FEEL SAFE TO STEP FORWARD.

DON'T THINK IT'S ANY COMMANDER FORWARD.

DON'T THINK IT'S ANY COMMANDER OR AIRMEN TRYING TO MAKE THAT DON'T THINK IT'S ANY COMMANDER OR AIRMEN TRYING TO MAKE THAT VICTIM FEEL THAT WAY.

OR AIRMEN TRYING TO MAKE THAT VICTIM FEEL THAT WAY.

BUT IT'S JUST A PLAQUE OF VICTIM FEEL THAT WAY.

BUT IT'S JUST A PLAQUE OF UNDERSTANDING HOW YOU EMBRACE OR BUT IT'S JUST A PLAQUE OF UNDERSTANDING HOW YOU EMBRACE OR NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT THAT UNDERSTANDING HOW YOU EMBRACE OR NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT THAT TRAUMA IS DOING TO THE VICTIM NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT THAT TRAUMA IS DOING TO THE VICTIM AND WHAT IT TAKES TO GO THROUGH TRAUMA IS DOING TO THE VICTIM AND WHAT IT TAKES TO GO THROUGH AND RECOVER FROM THAT TRAUMA.

AND WHAT IT TAKES TO GO THROUGH AND RECOVER FROM THAT TRAUMA.

SEXUAL ASSAULT VICTIM IS SIX AND RECOVER FROM THAT TRAUMA.

SEXUAL ASSAULT VICTIM IS SIX TIMES MORE LIKELY TO EXPERIENCE SEXUAL ASSAULT VICTIM IS SIX TIMES MORE LIKELY TO EXPERIENCE PFSD THAN SOMEONE WHO HASN'T TIMES MORE LIKELY TO EXPERIENCE PFSD THAN SOMEONE WHO HASN'T BEEN ASSAULTED.

PFSD THAN SOMEONE WHO HASN'T BEEN ASSAULTED.

>> ACCORDING TO THE RAND BEEN ASSAULTED.

>> ACCORDING TO THE RAND CORPORATION, AN INTERNATIONAL >> ACCORDING TO THE RAND CORPORATION, AN INTERNATIONAL RESEARCH ORGANIZATION, MILITARY CORPORATION, AN INTERNATIONAL RESEARCH ORGANIZATION, MILITARY SEXUAL ASSAULTS COST THE U.S. RESEARCH ORGANIZATION, MILITARY SEXUAL ASSAULTS COST THE U.S. 3.6 BILLION DOLLARS IN MEDICAL SEXUAL ASSAULTS COST THE U.S. 3.6 BILLION DOLLARS IN MEDICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES 3.6 BILLION DOLLARS IN MEDICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES ANNUALLY.

AND MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES ANNUALLY.

EXPENSE ASIDE, WOODWARD'S ANNUALLY.

EXPENSE ASIDE, WOODWARD'S BIGGEST CONCERN IS REBUILDING EXPENSE ASIDE, WOODWARD'S BIGGEST CONCERN IS REBUILDING TRUST, SERVICE MEMBER TO SERVICE BIGGEST CONCERN IS REBUILDING TRUST, SERVICE MEMBER TO SERVICE MEMBER AND COMMANDER TO OFFICER.

TRUST, SERVICE MEMBER TO SERVICE MEMBER AND COMMANDER TO OFFICER.

>> WHEN I GO IN TO COMBATIVE TO MEMBER AND COMMANDER TO OFFICER.

>> WHEN I GO IN TO COMBATIVE TO TRUST THAT WING MAN TO THE LEFT >> WHEN I GO IN TO COMBATIVE TO TRUST THAT WING MAN TO THE LEFT AND RIGHT OF ME AND IF I CAN'T TRUST THAT WING MAN TO THE LEFT AND RIGHT OF ME AND IF I CAN'T DO THAT THEN IT'S GOING TO AND RIGHT OF ME AND IF I CAN'T DO THAT THEN IT'S GOING TO IMPACT MY CAPABILITIES AND MY DO THAT THEN IT'S GOING TO IMPACT MY CAPABILITIES AND MY READINESS.

IMPACT MY CAPABILITIES AND MY READINESS.

>> SO, JUDGE, WHAT IS THE BEST READINESS.

>> SO, JUDGE, WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO DEAL WITH THIS PROBLEM, >> SO, JUDGE, WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO DEAL WITH THIS PROBLEM, IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR DECADES WAY TO DEAL WITH THIS PROBLEM, IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR DECADES NOW, DECADES OF PUBLICITY IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR DECADES NOW, DECADES OF PUBLICITY STARTING WITH TAILHOOK AND THE NOW, DECADES OF PUBLICITY STARTING WITH TAILHOOK AND THE NAVY IN THE EARLY '90s.

STARTING WITH TAILHOOK AND THE NAVY IN THE EARLY '90s.

THEY HAVE MADE VERY LITTLE, IF NAVY IN THE EARLY '90s.

THEY HAVE MADE VERY LITTLE, IF ANY, PROGRESS.

THEY HAVE MADE VERY LITTLE, IF ANY, PROGRESS.

WHAT IS GOING TO WORK?

ANY, PROGRESS.

WHAT IS GOING TO WORK?

>> I THINK WHAT THE SENATOR WHAT IS GOING TO WORK?

>> I THINK WHAT THE SENATOR WANTS TO DO IS GOING TO WORK.

>> I THINK WHAT THE SENATOR WANTS TO DO IS GOING TO WORK.

TAKE IT OUTSIDE THE SYSTEM.

WANTS TO DO IS GOING TO WORK.

TAKE IT OUTSIDE THE SYSTEM.

WHAT'S SO STRIKING ABOUT THIS, TAKE IT OUTSIDE THE SYSTEM.

WHAT'S SO STRIKING ABOUT THIS, BONNIE, IS THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S SO STRIKING ABOUT THIS, BONNIE, IS THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ASSAULTS, REPORT AFTER BONNIE, IS THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ASSAULTS, REPORT AFTER REPORT IT'S UP THE CHAIN OF THE ASSAULTS, REPORT AFTER REPORT IT'S UP THE CHAIN OF COMMAND.

REPORT IT'S UP THE CHAIN OF COMMAND.

IT'S A SUPERIOR THAT MANY TIMES COMMAND.

IT'S A SUPERIOR THAT MANY TIMES IS DOING THE ASSAULT.

IT'S A SUPERIOR THAT MANY TIMES IS DOING THE ASSAULT.

BECAUSE IT'S A POWER PLAY.

IS DOING THE ASSAULT.

BECAUSE IT'S A POWER PLAY.

AND I DO ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT BECAUSE IT'S A POWER PLAY.

AND I DO ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT VERY DISTURBING ONE OF THE AND I DO ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT VERY DISTURBING ONE OF THE ARTICLES THAT I WAS READING, VERY DISTURBING ONE OF THE ARTICLES THAT I WAS READING, THAT THERE WAS A PROSECUTOR FROM ARTICLES THAT I WAS READING, THAT THERE WAS A PROSECUTOR FROM NEW YORK WHO WAS HIRED BY THE THAT THERE WAS A PROSECUTOR FROM NEW YORK WHO WAS HIRED BY THE MILITARY TO CONSULT THE MILITARY NEW YORK WHO WAS HIRED BY THE MILITARY TO CONSULT THE MILITARY AND TEACH THEM ABOUT SEXUAL TEA MILITARY TO CONSULT THE MILITARY AND TEACH THEM ABOUT SEXUAL TEA SALT AND HOW TO DEAL WITH IT.

AND TEACH THEM ABOUT SEXUAL TEA SALT AND HOW TO DEAL WITH IT.

AND ONE OF HIS STATEMENTS WAS, SALT AND HOW TO DEAL WITH IT.

AND ONE OF HIS STATEMENTS WAS, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ASSAULTS ON AND ONE OF HIS STATEMENTS WAS, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ASSAULTS ON THE MEN IT WAS MORE LIKE HAZING.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ASSAULTS ON THE MEN IT WAS MORE LIKE HAZING.

MORE LIKE A RITUAL NOT A SEXUAL THE MEN IT WAS MORE LIKE HAZING.

MORE LIKE A RITUAL NOT A SEXUAL MOVEMENT.

MORE LIKE A RITUAL NOT A SEXUAL MOVEMENT.

NOT A SEXUALLY MOTIVATED THING.

MOVEMENT.

NOT A SEXUALLY MOTIVATED THING.

NONE OF THESE ATTACKS ARE NOT A SEXUALLY MOTIVATED THING.

NONE OF THESE ATTACKS ARE SEXUALLY MOTIVATED THEY'RE ALL NONE OF THESE ATTACKS ARE SEXUALLY MOTIVATED THEY'RE ALL ABOUT POWER, THEY'RE ALL ABOUT SEXUALLY MOTIVATED THEY'RE ALL ABOUT POWER, THEY'RE ALL ABOUT DOMINANCE.

ABOUT POWER, THEY'RE ALL ABOUT DOMINANCE.

THEY'RE NOT ABOUT SEX.

DOMINANCE.

THEY'RE NOT ABOUT SEX.

>> THIS DISSTINGS VERY IMPORTANT THEY'RE NOT ABOUT SEX.

>> THIS DISSTINGS VERY IMPORTANT WHEN -- DISTINCTION IS I'M GOING >> THIS DISSTINGS VERY IMPORTANT WHEN -- DISTINCTION IS I'M GOING TO INSIST THAT THE MILITARY WHEN -- DISTINCTION IS I'M GOING TO INSIST THAT THE MILITARY BREAK DOWN WHAT THEY MEAN BY TO INSIST THAT THE MILITARY BREAK DOWN WHAT THEY MEAN BY SEXUAL ASSAULT.

BREAK DOWN WHAT THEY MEAN BY SEXUAL ASSAULT.

BECAUSE I WAS SHOCKED.

SEXUAL ASSAULT.

BECAUSE I WAS SHOCKED.

I THOUGHT IT MEANT MEN DOING TO BECAUSE I WAS SHOCKED.

I THOUGHT IT MEANT MEN DOING TO MEN WHAT THEY DO TO WOMEN.

I THOUGHT IT MEANT MEN DOING TO MEN WHAT THEY DO TO WOMEN.

ALL OF THIS IS LUMPED IN MEN WHAT THEY DO TO WOMEN.

ALL OF THIS IS LUMPED IN TOGETHER.

ALL OF THIS IS LUMPED IN TOGETHER.

BUT I WAS REALLY IMPRESSED WHY TOGETHER.

BUT I WAS REALLY IMPRESSED WHY THEY HAVE CHANGED.

BUT I WAS REALLY IMPRESSED WHY THEY HAVE CHANGED.

THEY SIMPLY INVOKED THE CONCEPT THEY HAVE CHANGED.

THEY SIMPLY INVOKED THE CONCEPT WE LIVE BY, DUE PROCESS, THAT THEY SIMPLY INVOKED THE CONCEPT WE LIVE BY, DUE PROCESS, THAT DUE PROCESS REQUIRES AN WE LIVE BY, DUE PROCESS, THAT DUE PROCESS REQUIRES AN INDEPENDENT PERSON TO MAKE THE DUE PROCESS REQUIRES AN INDEPENDENT PERSON TO MAKE THE JUDGMENT.

INDEPENDENT PERSON TO MAKE THE JUDGMENT.

HERE IS WHAT WE THOUGHT WE JUDGMENT.

HERE IS WHAT WE THOUGHT WE TAUGHT THE WORLD AND WE HAVE OUR HERE IS WHAT WE THOUGHT WE TAUGHT THE WORLD AND WE HAVE OUR EUROPEAN ALLIES, OF COURSE, WHO TAUGHT THE WORLD AND WE HAVE OUR EUROPEAN ALLIES, OF COURSE, WHO CAUGHT US.

EUROPEAN ALLIES, OF COURSE, WHO CAUGHT US.

REMINDING US THAT THAT IS THE CAUGHT US.

REMINDING US THAT THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JUSTICE UNDER REMINDING US THAT THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JUSTICE UNDER LAW AND WHAT OTHER PEOPLE OR -- DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JUSTICE UNDER LAW AND WHAT OTHER PEOPLE OR -- >> WHAT SEPARATES US FROM LAW AND WHAT OTHER PEOPLE OR -- >> WHAT SEPARATES US FROM MILITARY AND CIVILIAN IS THE >> WHAT SEPARATES US FROM MILITARY AND CIVILIAN IS THE FACT THAT THERE IS A DIFFERENT MILITARY AND CIVILIAN IS THE FACT THAT THERE IS A DIFFERENT ARM OF THE LAW.

FACT THAT THERE IS A DIFFERENT ARM OF THE LAW.

AND I'M WITH THE LADY THAT WAS ARM OF THE LAW.

AND I'M WITH THE LADY THAT WAS INTERVIEWED IN THE PIECE THAT AND I'M WITH THE LADY THAT WAS INTERVIEWED IN THE PIECE THAT YOU HAVE TO TRUST YOUR WING MAN INTERVIEWED IN THE PIECE THAT YOU HAVE TO TRUST YOUR WING MAN WHEN YOU ARE AT WAR.

YOU HAVE TO TRUST YOUR WING MAN WHEN YOU ARE AT WAR.

I'M NOT A PERSON THAT CAN CARRY WHEN YOU ARE AT WAR.

I'M NOT A PERSON THAT CAN CARRY SOMEONE IN A FOX HOLE OR I'M NOT A PERSON THAT CAN CARRY SOMEONE IN A FOX HOLE OR SOMETHING ELSE.

SOMEONE IN A FOX HOLE OR SOMETHING ELSE.

I BELIEVE THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING ELSE.

I BELIEVE THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE THEIR OWN JUDICIAL SYSTEM EVEN I BELIEVE THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE THEIR OWN JUDICIAL SYSTEM EVEN THOUGH PEOPLE AT THE TOP DOESN'T THEIR OWN JUDICIAL SYSTEM EVEN THOUGH PEOPLE AT THE TOP DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE SYSTEM IS WRONG IT THOUGH PEOPLE AT THE TOP DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE SYSTEM IS WRONG IT MEANS THAT THEY'RE PUTTING THE MEAN THAT THE SYSTEM IS WRONG IT MEANS THAT THEY'RE PUTTING THE WRONG PEOPLE IN POWER.

MEANS THAT THEY'RE PUTTING THE WRONG PEOPLE IN POWER.

>> DUE PROCESS MEANS THAT WE WRONG PEOPLE IN POWER.

>> DUE PROCESS MEANS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE THE EXPERTISE AND >> DUE PROCESS MEANS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE THE EXPERTISE AND PROSECUTORIAL SYSTEM TO BE ABLE HAVE TO HAVE THE EXPERTISE AND PROSECUTORIAL SYSTEM TO BE ABLE TO WAGE PROSECUTION THAT WILL PROSECUTORIAL SYSTEM TO BE ABLE TO WAGE PROSECUTION THAT WILL BRING THESE PROBLEMS TO LIGHT.

TO WAGE PROSECUTION THAT WILL BRING THESE PROBLEMS TO LIGHT.

WE DON'T HAVE THAT RIGHT NOW IN BRING THESE PROBLEMS TO LIGHT.

WE DON'T HAVE THAT RIGHT NOW IN THE JAG SYSTEM.

WE DON'T HAVE THAT RIGHT NOW IN THE JAG SYSTEM.

THERE NEEDS TO BE REFORM OF THAT THE JAG SYSTEM.

THERE NEEDS TO BE REFORM OF THAT TO DEVELOP THE EXPERTISE, TO THERE NEEDS TO BE REFORM OF THAT TO DEVELOP THE EXPERTISE, TO DEFENDANT, PROSECUTORIAL TO DEVELOP THE EXPERTISE, TO DEFENDANT, PROSECUTORIAL EXPERTISE THAT CURRENTLY -- DEFENDANT, PROSECUTORIAL EXPERTISE THAT CURRENTLY -- >> IS THAT POSSIBLE?

EXPERTISE THAT CURRENTLY -- >> IS THAT POSSIBLE?

>> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

>> IS THAT POSSIBLE?

>> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

WE HAVE TO HAVE COMMANDERS -- >> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

WE HAVE TO HAVE COMMANDERS -- THE COMMANDERS THAT SEND PEOPLE WE HAVE TO HAVE COMMANDERS -- THE COMMANDERS THAT SEND PEOPLE IN TO HARM'S WAY HAVE TO BE THE THE COMMANDERS THAT SEND PEOPLE IN TO HARM'S WAY HAVE TO BE THE COMMANDERS THAT ESTABLISH IN TO HARM'S WAY HAVE TO BE THE COMMANDERS THAT ESTABLISH DISCIPLINE AS WELL.

COMMANDERS THAT ESTABLISH DISCIPLINE AS WELL.

THAT IS NOT THE PROBLEM.

DISCIPLINE AS WELL.

THAT IS NOT THE PROBLEM.

THE PROBLEM IS WITHIN THE THAT IS NOT THE PROBLEM.

THE PROBLEM IS WITHIN THE PROSECUTION AND HOW EXPERT THAT THE PROBLEM IS WITHIN THE PROSECUTION AND HOW EXPERT THAT SYSTEM IS.

PROSECUTION AND HOW EXPERT THAT SYSTEM IS.

>> NOT THROW THE SYSTEM OUT.

SYSTEM IS.

>> NOT THROW THE SYSTEM OUT.

>> NO, INDEED THE SYSTEM IS NOT >> NOT THROW THE SYSTEM OUT.

>> NO, INDEED THE SYSTEM IS NOT WHAT PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO >> NO, INDEED THE SYSTEM IS NOT WHAT PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO CHANGE.

WHAT PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO CHANGE.

THEY'RE TRYING TO CHANGE ONE CHANGE.

THEY'RE TRYING TO CHANGE ONE FACTOR IN THE SYSTEM, THEY'RE TRYING TO CHANGE ONE FACTOR IN THE SYSTEM, INDEPENDENCE OF THE PROSECUTOR.

FACTOR IN THE SYSTEM, INDEPENDENCE OF THE PROSECUTOR.

LEAVE THE REST OF THE SYSTEM IN INDEPENDENCE OF THE PROSECUTOR.

LEAVE THE REST OF THE SYSTEM IN PLACE.

LEAVE THE REST OF THE SYSTEM IN PLACE.

>> OKAY.

PLACE.

>> OKAY.

>> THIS IS THE ONE LINCHPIN FOR >> OKAY.

>> THIS IS THE ONE LINCHPIN FOR DUE PROCESS I REALLY AGREE.

>> THIS IS THE ONE LINCHPIN FOR DUE PROCESS I REALLY AGREE.

THIS IS THE STEPS THAT ARE BEING DUE PROCESS I REALLY AGREE.

THIS IS THE STEPS THAT ARE BEING TAKEN NOW ARE SIMPLY ON THE WAY THIS IS THE STEPS THAT ARE BEING TAKEN NOW ARE SIMPLY ON THE WAY TO THAT INDEPENDENT TAKEN NOW ARE SIMPLY ON THE WAY TO THAT INDEPENDENT PROSECUTORIAL CHANGE.

TO THAT INDEPENDENT PROSECUTORIAL CHANGE.

IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

PROSECUTORIAL CHANGE.

IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

>> THE MILITARY IS A FAMILY.

IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

>> THE MILITARY IS A FAMILY.

SO YOU NEED SOMEBODY OUTSIDE THE >> THE MILITARY IS A FAMILY.

SO YOU NEED SOMEBODY OUTSIDE THE FAMILY TO BE INDEPENDENT LOOKING SO YOU NEED SOMEBODY OUTSIDE THE FAMILY TO BE INDEPENDENT LOOKING IN AT THE FAMILY FAMILY TO BE INDEPENDENT LOOKING IN AT THE FAMILY >> THAT'S IT FOR THIS EDITION OF IN AT THE FAMILY >> THAT'S IT FOR THIS EDITION OF "TO THE CONTRARY."

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