FOUNDATION.

>> THIS WEEK ON "TO THE CONTRARY" FIRST, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, THE NFL AND THE LARGER PICTURE.

THEN, NEW REVELATIONS ABOUT THE WOMEN OF ISIS.

BEHIND THE HEADLINES: SENATOR KIRSTEN GILLIBRAND OPENS UP TO URGE WOMEN TO GET OFF THE SIDELINES.

HELLO, I'M BONNIE ERBE.

WELCOME TO "TO THE CONTRARY," A DISCUSSION OF NEWS AND SOCIAL TRENDS FROM DIVERSE PERSPECTIVES.

UP FIRST, THE NFL'S RICE SAGA.

A NATIONAL DEBATE ABOUT NFL RULES AND DOMESTIC VIOLENCE CONTINUES BEYOND RAY RICE'S FIRING BY THE BALTIMORE TEAM AND HIS WIFE'S STANCE IN HIS DEFENSE.

THE NFL SUSPENDED RICE INDEFINITELY AFTER A VIDEO SURFACED SHOWING HIM IN THE ELEVATOR PUNCHING HIS WIFE.

HE WAS ORIGINALLY ONLY GIVEN A TWO-GAME SUSPENSION BUT THE COMMISSIONER OF THE NFL HAS SINCE ADMITTED TO "GETTING IT WRONG" BY NOT PUNISHING THE PLAYER MORE HARSHLY.

>> I CANNOT IMAGE UP THE NFL PERFORMING MORE POORLY THAN THEY HAVE.

FIRST OF ALL THE FACTS WERE KNOWN, HE ADMITTED TO BEATING HIS WIFE.

THERE WAS A VIDEO HIM DRAGGING HER OUT OF THE ELEVATOR.

THERE WERE NO FACTS IN DISPUTE.

STILL HE WAS GIVEN A SLAP ON THE WRIST.

IT IS ILLUS CENTERTIVE OF A HARDER PROBLEM WHEN INSTITUTIONS PROTECT THEIR OWN.

>> THIS WEEK DEBATE FOCUSED ON WHY JANAY RICE IS STAYING WITH HER ABUSER, AND CONTINUING TO SUPPORT HIM.

THE HASHTAG "WHY I STAYED" BEGAN TRENDING ON SOCIAL MEDIA, AS SURVIVORS OF ABUSE SHARED THEIR STORIES, EXPLAINING WHY THEY CHOSE TO REMAIN WITH THEIR ABUSERS.

THIS LED TO THE "WHY I LEFT" HASHTAG, IN WHICH OTHERS DESCRIBED FINALLY LEAVING THE ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIP.

THIS WEEK MARKS THE 20TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN ACT.

THE NATIONAL COALITION AGAINST DOMESTIC VIOLENCE ESTIMATES THAT 1.3 MILLION WOMEN ARE VICTIMS OF PHYSICAL ASSAULT BY AN INTIMATE PARTNER EACH YEAR IN THE U.S.

SO, CONGRESSWOMAN NORTON GIVEN THE IMPORTANCE AND PROMINENCE OF THIS CASE, IS JANAY RICE HURTING OTHER WOMEN BY STAYING WITH HER ABUSER?

>> BONNIEMENT I FEEL FOR THIS WOMAN.

THIS BATTERED WIFE.

BUT SHE'S CONFUSING A LIFE AND DEATH ISSUE FOR THOUSANDS OF WOMEN AND MAYBE ONE THAT COULD BE LIFE AND DEATH FOR HER AS WELL.

>> AS MUCH AS I IMAGINE SHE'S A VERY UNHAPPY PERSON THE BLAME LIES WITH HER HUSBAND.

>> YES, SHE'S HURTING THINGS BY STAYING WITH HIM.

ONLY WAY SHE CAN COUNTERMIND BY BEING OUT THERE AS NATIONAL SPOKESPERSON ABOUT IMPORTANCE OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE LEGISLATION AND SANCTIONS.

>> IT'S HER DECISION.

WE ALL TALK ABOUT RICE.

DO I SUPPORT IT, NO, I DON'T.

BUT THEN WE DON'T REALLY, UNLESS YOU'VE BEEN IN THAT POSITION AS ABUSED OPINION IT'S HARD TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS IN THE MIND OF SOMEONE WHO IS THE VICTIM OF DOMESTIC ABUSE.

>> BUT BACK TO THE QUESTION, YOU SAID SHE IS HURTING OTHER WOMEN.

I SEE THAT IT WAY.

WHAT ABOUT YOU?

>> YEAH, A FEW DAYS AGO I RAISED THIS ON A STAFF CALL I SAID, DON'T WE THINK WE SHOULD SAY SOMETHING 'BOW THIS.

THERE'S SUCH A FEAR IF YOU SUGGEST THAT MAYBE SHE SHOULD BE DOING MORE TO TRY TO GET OUT OF THIS SITUATION THAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE TRYING TO BLAME HER OR THEN SOME WAY WE'RE DISTRACTING FROM THE REAL STORY WHICH IS THAT SHE'S WITH A MAN WHO A VIOLENT, TERRIBLE PERSON.

WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.

I THINK THERE'S A BALANCE HERE HOW WE DISCUSS THIS.

>> IS IT DIFFERENT FOR AFRICAN AMERICAN WOMEN?

>> I THINK SHE SHOULD BE DOING LESS.

SHE'S EMBARRASSED.

SHE OBVIOUS SHE NOT GOING TO LEAVE THIS GUY, WHAT I CALL -- NOT HERE TO DEFEND HER SHE COULD TAKE HER PERSONAL STANCE CANS ACT PERSONALLY AND GO BACK.

YES, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I FAULT HER FOR BECOMING SOMETHING OF A SPOKESPERSON FOR STAYING WITH SOMEBODY WHO COULD HAVE KILLED HER WITH THAT PUNCH, IS BECAUSE AFRICAN AMERICAN WOMEN TO SOME EXTENT WOMEN OF COLOR SUFFER FROM DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AT A RATE THREE TIMES THAT WHITE WOMEN.

LAST THING WE NEED TO HAVE IS A SPOKESPERSON FOR THE ABUSER.

THAT IS WHERE I FAULT HER.

PEOPLE STAY WITH SUCH MEN FOR SOME REASON THAT NONE OF US AROUND THIS TABLE I THINK ARE IN A POSITION TO CRITICIZE.

I MEAN, YOU HAVE A KID OR TWO PICKING UP SAYING I'M GOING TO LEAVE, I DON'T HAVE A JOB, IT'S VERY MUCH EASIER FOR US TO SAY THAN IT IS FOR THEM.

THERE MAY BE REASONS, BUT ULTIMATELY IT IS HARD TO COUNSEL A WOMAN TO REMAIN WITH A MAN WHO SHOWS THAT HE IS INCLINED TO HIT HER, BECAUSE THE STATISTICS ARE CLEAR.

HE MAY NOT KNOW WHEN TO STOP AND MANY DO NOT.

>> HOW DO WE FEEL ABOUT FRONT PAGE "NEW YORK TIMES" ARTICLE THAT CAME OUT LATE THIS WEEK SAYING THAT THERE ARE PLENTY EVER MEN IN ALL THE LEAGUES, SOME HOCKEY GUY WHO BEAT UP HIS GIRLFRIEND, STOMPED ON HER CHEST.

AND HE IS STILL PLAYING?

>> ONE OF MR. RICE'S FORMER TEAMMATES, TERRELL SUGGS IS AN EXAMPLE OF ABUSER.

HE WAS CHARGED WITH IT, HE WAS NOT CONVICTED BECAUSE I GUESS HI THEN GIRLFRIEND NOW WIFE DIDN'T FOLLOW THROUGH.

IT'S FRIGHTENING TO KNOW THAT THERE ARE AT LEAST, MY UNDERSTANDING THE NUMBERS CHANGE A LITTLE BIT BUT THERE ARE AT LEAST 14 OTHER PLAYERS AT THIS MOMENT THAT WE KNOW OF IN THE NFL THAT HAVE SOME KIND -- >> NOT JUST THE NFL.

>> NO, IT'S NOT.

IT SEEMS TO BE -- >> PRO SPORTS.

>> IT'S CANARY IN THE COAL MINE, FOLKS.

THIS KIND OF -- IF THEY WERE COMMITTING ANOTHER CRIME WOULD THEY BE GETTING AWAY WITH IT?

NO.

THIS IS A DIRECT REFLEX OF THE SEXISM OF OUR CULTURE THAT TAKES WOMEN'S ISSUES AND PUTS THEM ON THE FLOOR, DOESN'T PAY ATTENTION TO THEM.

DOESN'T PUNISH THEM CORRECTLY AND ALL OF THESE TEAMS, I COULDN'T AGREE MORE WITH SECTOR GILLIBRAND.

ALL OF THESE TEAMS SHOULD HAVE THEIR FEET HELD TO THE FIRE, THINK OF THE -- >> THEIR COME BACK IS, IT'S A -- THEIR COMEBACK IS, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING UNTIL SHE'S GUYS ARE AT LEAST PROSECUTED OR CHARGED.

>> THAT'S DISENGENERAL BUSINESS.

HERE IS THE BEAUTY OF YOUTUBE, WE NOW HAVE A VIDEO OF THIS THING.

IT'S IRREFUTABLE.

IT IS UNACCEPTABLE AND I FACT WHAT THESE TEAMS SHOULD BE DOING IS TREATING THEMSELVES AS THEY ARE AS THE ROLE MODELS FOR YOUTH, FOR MEN, TAKE THAT SERIOUSLY SHOW WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

>> I THINK IT GOES FARTHER, WHAT BOTHERED ME ABOUT THIS, JUST THIS MORNING I ASKED, WHAT ARE YOU DOING THIS WEEKEND?

THEY SAID I'M GOING TO WATCH FOOTBALL.

I THOUGHT THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL OF US TO COME TOGETHER SAY, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

I DON'T WANT MY SON WATCHING THIS KIND OF THING.

I DON'T WANT MY DAUGHTER WATCHING -- >> WOMEN WATCH NFL GAMES.

>> IT'S TIME IF WE -- THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO, I DON'T THINK LEGISLATION OR THE NFL, PUNISHING THE NFL.

COME TOGETHER SAY WHAT KIND OF COMMUNITY AND SOCIETY DO WE WANT AND DO WE THINK THESE ARE THE ROLE MODELS OR TIME THAT WE TURN OFF OUR TVs DON'T GO TO THE BAR ON SUNDAY SAY ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

>> THAT'S WHERE I MUST SAY I ADORE THE FACT THAT THERE IS PUBLIC OUTCRY HERE THAT IT'S ALL OVER -- >> START A HASH TAG, DON'T WATCH FOOTBALL.

ENJOY A BEAUTIFUL WEEKEND.

>> THAT IT'S ON THE SOCIAL MEDIA.

BUILT THEY ARE USE THE WRONG STANDARD, USING THE SAME STANDARD THEY USE FOR HOW MANY TIMES HAVE TAKEN DRUGS.

THIS COMES DOWN TO HOW MANY TIMES DO I NEED TO BEAT MY WIFE BEFORE I GET SUSPENDED.

>> WHAT SHOULD THE BAR BE HERE?

IF A WOMAN CHARGED -- FILES CHARGES THAT THE GUY SHOULD GET SUSPENDED OR BANNED FOR LIFE FROM PLAYING PRO SPORTS OR SHOULD IT BE THAT HE'S BEEN ARRESTED.

WHERE DO YOU THINK THE TEAM SHOULD GO WITH THIS AND DO YOU THINK GOODEL ASK GOING TO LAST?

>> AS SOON AS YOU HAVE ANY DOCUMENTATION THAT ANYTHING HAPPENED WHETHER IT COMES FROM FILING, ARRESTING OR YOUTUBE VIDEO, YOU'RE OUT.

>> I WOULD LIKE THAT TO BE THE CASE.

ARGUMENT ON THE OTHER SIDE, SEVERAL OF US ARE ATTORNEYS, IS THAT INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY ALTHOUGH I WOULD WANT TO TAKE ANY CHARGE ABUSE SERIOUSLY THAT IS TOLD, DO WE PUNISH THEM BEFORE WE KNOW IF IT REALLY HAPPENED.

>> WHAT ABOUT THE ADMISSION.

GOODELL HAD ADMISSION FROM RICE.

>> HE TOLD HIM THE WHOLE STORY WITHOUT SEEING THE VIDEO.

THAT IS JUST ASTOUNDS ME -- >> THEY'RE PLAYING THE -- IS WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

>> LEAVE ASIDE THERE ARE NO -- COULD YOU HAVE A WOMAN SAY HE HIT ME HE SAY, NO, I DON'T.

THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PLAYERS THAT CONTINUE TO PLAY WHEN IN FACT THE FACTS ARE ON THE TABLE AND THEY DO NOT HAVE STANDARD OF ANY KIND TO GET -- AT LEAST SUSPEND THEM UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT THE FACTS ARE.

>> BONNIE, JUST THE OTHER SIDE FOR A QUICK MOMENT.

I THINK AS MOTHER OF A SON, SOME OF YOU ARE MOTHERS OF DAUGHTERS AND SONS, THIS IS A LEARNING MOMENT FOR A LOT OF PARENTS TO SIT DOWN WITH THEIR, ESPECIALLY THE YOUNG MEN, TELL THEM THIS IS NOT RIGHT.

THEN OTHER SIDE THAT HAVE COIN WE NEED TO COUNSEL OUR YOUNG WOMEN TO KNOW THAT THEY DESERVE BETTER.

AND THAT SHOULDN'T STAY IN THE SITUATION.

STAY AWAY FROM THE JOCKS.

>> THEY'RE SO GROSS WITH THEIR BIG MUSCLES AND STEROIDS.

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FROM DOMESTIC VIOLENCE TO TERRORISM.

PRESIDENT OBAMA THIS WEEK PLEDGED TO FIGHT THE TERRORIST GROUP ISIS OR ISIL WITH INCREASED AIRSTRIKES AND SUPPORT ON THE GROUND FOR THE GROUP'S ENEMIES.

MEANWHILE WE'RE LEARNING MORE ABOUT THEIR FEMALE CAPTIVES.

AND SOLDIERS.

AS MANY AS 3,000 IRAQI WOMEN HAVE BEEN KIDNAPPED AND SOLD INTO SEXUAL SLAVERY BY ISIS.

THE BROTHELS THE WOMEN ARE FORCED TO OPERATE IN ARE RUN BY A "POLICE FORCE" COMPOSED OF JIHADIST WOMEN.

SOME 60 BRITISH WOMEN HAVE GONE TO SYRIA ON JIHAD AND IN ADDITION TO RUNNING THE BROTHELS THEY ARE LEARNING TO AND TRAINING EACH OTHER TO FIGHT WITH MILITARY AUTOMATIC WEAPONS.

SO, IF WE WERE TO CATCH SOME OF THESE WOMEN SHOULD THEY BE TREATED AS PO Ws?

SHOULD WE EXECUTE THEM?

WHAT DO YOU DO WITH -- SHOULD THEY BE TREATED ANY DIFFERENTLY FROM THE MEN?

>> NO.

ABSOLUTELY NOT.

UNFORTUNATELY WE SEE THIS IN INSTANCES OF WAR WHERE PEOPLE ARE USED AGAINST THEIR OWN PEOPLE, SO TO SPEAK.

WHAT I TOOK FROM THE STORY THAT YOU HAVE TO FIND SOMETHING GOOD WHAT I FOUND THERE IS ALSO A GROUP OF TURKISH WOMEN COMING IN TO FIGHT ISIL I HAVE TO FALL BACK ON THAT IT IS SUCH HORRORS TO THINK ABOUT THAT YOU HAVE TO FIND SOMETHING GOOD TO FOCUS ON.

>> YOU DON'T WANT TO TREAT THEM ANY DIFFERENTLY.

THEY WENT TO FIGHT.

THEY WERE MADE SECOND CLASS CITIZENS IN THEIR OWN ARMY.

BY THE WAY WE'RE CREATING BROTHELS, THAT IS AGAINST LAW.

THEY ARE FINDING WAYS AROUND THIS >> ANY MAINSTREAM NONIDEOLOGICAL -- NON-EXTREMISTS IS GOING TO SAY, EVERYTHING THEY DO IS AGAINST -- >> LET'S LOOK AT THIS.

SETTING UP A BROTHEL NO MATTER WHAT ASPECT OF -- WHAT KIND EVER MUSLIM YOU ARE WOULD BE AGAINST THE RELIGIOUS LAW.

THIS SEEMS TO ME IS IMPORTANT FOR THE WORLD TO KNOW BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE ARE -- IN THE NAME OF SETTING UP ISLAMIC STATE.

AND THE MORE THEY ARE REVEALED FOR WHAT THEY IN FACT ARE BY VIOLATING THEIR OWN PRINCIPLES, THEIR OWN PRINCIPLES SEEMS TO ME THE SOONER WE WILL IN FACT WIPE THEM '.

>> THE RATIONAL IS THAT WHAT I'VE READ THAT THEY RATIONALIZE THIS SAYING WE'RE AT WAR SO WE CAN PRESS THE RULES A LITTLE BIT TO ACCOMMODATE THE SITUATIONS.

BUT THESE WOMEN WHO ARE GOING FROM EUROPE AND COMING FROM FRANCE AND ENGLAND AND NETHERLANDS, A LOT OF THEM WERE ALREADY MARRIED TO THESE JIHADDIST MEN THEN THEY FOLLOWED BEHIND THEM.

SOME OF THESE WOMEN WEREN'T BUT HAVE BEEN SOCIAL MEDIA -- >> FINDING THIS ROMANTIC SOMEHOW -- >> REBELLING AGAINST THEIR PARENTS OR WHAT HAVE YOU.

>> FINDING THIS IDEALIZED I'M GOING TO GO THERE HELP FIGHT THE CAUSE.

AND ARGUMENT THAT SYRIA WAS BAD FOR THEM WE'RE GOING TO GO FIGHT SYRIA AND THAT'S KIND OF THE MANTRA THAT IS BEING SAID TO THEM.

>> IT'S A TIME OF WAR.

THEY SHOULD BE TREATED JUST LIKE THE MEN.

BUT AS I'VE TALKED ABOUT NUMEROUS TIMES ON THE SHOW BEING RECEIVING END MYSELF OF WHITE SLAVERY AND ALL OF THAT, THERE NEEDS TO BE AN OUTCRY INTERNATIONALLY.

THIS KIND OF THING SHOULD NOT BE HAPPENING, PERIOD.

WHETHER WOMEN WERE DOING IT OR MEN.

IT'S AN OUTRAGE.

>> WHY IS THIS PART OF IT NOT GETTING EQUAL COVERAGE IN THE NEWS?

>> I THINK PEOPLE ARE TRULY SCARED HERE AT HOME.

WE HAD AN EVENT HERE THIS WEEK, SOMEONE SAID, I DON'T KNOW IF I WANT TO COME AROUND SEPTEMBER 11TH AND SO MANY THREATS WITH ICES RIGHT NOW I THINK PEOPLE ARE SCARED.

THEY'RE WAITING TO SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING THEY KNOW TERRIBLE THINGS ARE HAPPENING MAYBE HAVEN'T UNCOVERED SOME OF THE SPECIFICS BUT WORRIED FOR OUR SECURITY.

>> I THINK YOU'RE DOING A SERVICE HERE.

YOU ARE BREAKING A STORY AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.

I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS UNTIL PREPARING FOR THIS PROGRAM, I CAME, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO -- I THINK THIS IS AMONG OUTRAGE, IS THAT IS GOING TO CAPTURE THE PUBLIC ATTENTION.

>> NEWS IS JUST AS SEXIST AS EVERYTHING ELSE.

WHEN IT IMPACTS WOMEN IT'S THE BOTTOM OF THE BARREL TAKES SOMEONE LIKE YOU, A JOURNALIST TO BRING THAT UP.

>> WELL, THANK YOU.

WE'RE NOT THE ONLY ONES COVERING THIS STORY, PERHAPS THE ONLY ONE PUTTING IT AS HIGH UP IN THE SHOW AS WE DID.

HOW DO WE GET MORE -- HOW DOES ONE PROMOTE MORE MEDIA COVERAGE?

>> JUST WORD OF MOUTH.

WE NEED TO BE OUT ON SHOWS AND TALKING ABOUT IT.

IN OUR OWN SOCIAL LIVES NEED TO DISCUSS IT AS THE DELEGATE SAID, I HADN'T HEARD ABOUT THIS PART OF WHAT IS GOING ON OVER THERE, UNTIL I PREPARED FOR THIS SHOW.

IT'S SHAMEFUL, WE SAW WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN AFRICA WHEN YOUNG GIRLS WERE TAKEN BY EXTREMIST GROUP, IT'S HAPPENING ALL OVER THE WORLD.

THIS IS NOT THE TIME TO STOP TALKING ABOUT IT.

>> ALL RIGHT.

BEHIND THE HEADLINES: NEW YORK SENATOR KIRSTEN GILLIBRAND WANTS ALL WOMEN OFF THE SIDELINES.

IN A MEMOIR OUT THIS WEEK SHE SHARES HER STORY.

>> I PURPOSESFULLY PULLED BACK THE CURTAIN REALLY SHARED MY STORY.

THE REAL INCIDENT DETAILS OF THE EVERY DAY CHALLENGE.

THE REASON I DID THAT IS BECAUSE I WANT ANY READER TO SEE HERSELF IN THESE STORIES AND TO KNOW IN THE SAME WAY THAT I FIGURED OUT AND JUGGLE, HAVE CHALLENGES THAT THOSE CHALLENGES ARE SOMETIMES NOT DISSIMILAR THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY ASPIRE TO DO REGARDLESS OF WHAT IT IS.

I WANTED TO CREATE A CALL TO ACTION TO WOMEN TO KNOW THAT THEIR VOICES MATTERS.

>> GILL GRAND SAYS IT'S A MESSAGE THAT SHOULD BE REPEATED TIME AND TIME IN.

>> WE NEED MENTORS AND ROLE MODELS, I WAS LUCKY, I HAD A MOTHER WHO WAS ONLY THREE WOMEN IN HER LAW SCHOOL CLASS.

SHE HAD CAREER IN LAW AND RAISED US KIDS I WATCHED HER DO IT SIMULTANEOUSLY.

I SEE HER ON THE PHONE FILING DETAILS OF ADOPTION CASE WHILE SHE'S COOKING DINNER AND SWEEPING THE FLOOR.

AND BEING THAT HANDS-ON PRESENT MOM AND HAVING CAREER.

MY GRANDMOTHER SHE WAS THIS VERY FEISTY, SAUCEY LADY WAS DETERMINED THAT WOMEN'S VOICES MATTER.

>> YOU DON'T LIKE THE PHRASE "HAVING IT ALL."

>> NO, I DON'T.

>> WHY?

>> JUST LOOK AT IT.

HAVING IT ALL.

WHAT ARE WE ACTUALLY HAVING?

IT'S SUCH AN OUTRAGEOUS WORD.

WHAT ARE WE INFORMING A SECOND SLICE OF PIE?

WE'RE NOT HAVING ANYTHING.

WE'RE DOING IT ALL AND WOMEN HAVE BEEN DOING IT ALL FOREVER.

THEY HAVE BEEN PROVIDING FOR THEIR FAMILIES, THEY HAVE BEEN HANDS-ON MOMS BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO.

BECAUSE THEY WANT TO, BECAUSE THEY CAN.

TODAY, EIGHT OUT OF TEN FAMILIES THE MOM IS WORKING.

FOUR OUT OF TEN FAMILIES THEY ARE THE PRIMARY OR SOLE BREAD WINNER BUT OUR WORKPLACE RULES ARE STUCK IN THE MAD MEN ERA.

WHERE DAD WENT TO WORK, MOM STAYED AT HOME.

NOT REFLECTIVE OF THE WORKFORCE.

MY LIFE IS A LOT EASIER.

THE WOMAN WHO IS GOING TO CLEAN THE STUDIO SHE HAS TO BE HERE WHEN SHE'S TOLD ME HERE.

I MET LADY WHO CLEANED THE TRAIN STATION THAT IS A STONE'S THROW FROM HERE.

SHE'S NEVER BEEN PAID MORE THAN MINIMUM WAGE.

WITHOUT FLEXIBILITY REALLY HARD FOR MOMS TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THEIR FAMILIES WHEN THEY NEED HE IT WE SHOULD ALL BE ASKING FOR MORE SUPPORT.

>> DOES INVOLVING MEN IN PARENTHOOD AND LIVING IT -- >> FOR SURE.

>> ISN'T THAT PART OF THE ANSWER -- >> THE WOMAN WOULD NEED POLICE FLEXIBILITY, THE WOMAN WHO IS CLEANING THE STUDIO.

>> EVERYONE NEEDS FLEXIBILITY.

BECAUSE WHETHER YOU HAVE A SPOUSE AT HOME TO HELP, IF YOU ARE THE PRIMARY OR SINGLE WAGE EARNER YOU NEED AFFORDABLE DAYCARE THERE.

ARE THINGS YOU ARE GOING TO NEED NO MATTER WHAT.

BUT I THINK, MY HUSBAND, HE'S SO HELPFUL.

I DO NOT ASK HIM, HE JUST DOES THE IT.

HE SEES THE DISHES NEEDS TO BE LOADED.

>> YOU TALK ABOUT YOUR SON SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT, WE CAN GO HIKING BECAUSE WE'RE MEN.

WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS.

>> I'LL TELL YOU THAT STORY.

I HAVE TWO BOYS.

I HAVE THEO WHO IS TEN, HENRY IS SIX.

WHEN HENRY WAS TWO AND A HALF JONATHAN TAKEN THEM ON A HIKE.

THEY WERE AT ROOSEVELT ISLAND, I WAS WORK IN NEW YORK I WASN'T THERE.

AND HE SAID THEY WERE GOING UP A HILL, COME ON, HENRY.

HENRY TURNS TO MY HUSBAND SAYS, WE CAN DO IT BECAUSE WE'RE MEN.

HE'S TWO AND A HALF.

I'M THINKING, ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

MY TWO AND A HALF YEAR OLD BECAUSE OF HIS GENDER HE CAN DO ANYTHING?

WELL, I DECIDED TO WRITE THIS BOOK, I WANT MORE GIRLS, I WANT MORE WOMEN TO SAY, WE CAN DO IT BECAUSE WE'RE WOMEN.

>> DID YOU EVER SCRATCH YOUR HEAD, WHERE THE HECK DID HE GET THAT FROM?

>> I WAS BAFFLED.

IT WAS LIKE, I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT.

BUT HE IS A BIT OF A FEMINIST EVEN AT THAT YOUNG AGE.

>> AS A YOUNG MEMBER OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, GILLIBRAND WAS TAPPED TO BECOME A JUNIOR SENATOR FROM NEW YORK WHEN HILLARY CLINTON JOINED THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION AS SECRETARY OF STATE.

HILLARY CLINTON, YOU'RE AN ADMIRER, SHE'S ONE OF YOUR ROLE MODELS.

WHAT IF SOMETHING HORRIBLE HAPPENED TO HER BETWEEN NOW AND THE CAMPAIGN FELL APART?

WOULD YOU BE ONE OF THE DEMOCRATS TO STEP IN AND SAY, I'LL GO SINCE SHE CAN'T?

>> NO.

BUT I THINK SHE WILL RUN AND WHEN SHE DOES SHE WILL WIN, I THINK SHE IS THE MOST TALENTED, MOST EXPERIENCED, BEST POISED PERSON IN AMERICA TO BE OUR NEXT PRESIDENT.

AND I PERSONALLY WOULD WORK AS HARD AS I CAN TO MAKE SURE SHE GETS ELECTED.

>> GILLIBRAND SURPRISED THE PASSAGES IN HER BOOK ON STRUGGLE WITH WEIGHT AFTER HAVING CHILDREN AND THE COMMENTS OF COLLEAGUES IN CONGRESS RECEIVED SO MUCH ATTENTION.

>> ALL DIFFERENT INDUSTRIES, THERE ARE SOMETIMES AN ISSUE WITH REGARD TO APPEARANCE.

AND ADVICE I TRY TO GIVE IS, JUST KNOW YOUR INDUSTRY, KNOW WHAT THE RULES OF THE ROAD ARE AND THEN MAKE YOUR OWN JUDGMENT.

>> AND GILLIBRAND DISCLOSES SOMETHING SURPRISING ABOUT HERSELF.

>> WELL, I TELL THE STORY ABOUT MY GRANDMOTHER BECAUSE SHE WORKED IN THESE CAMPAIGNS AS A YOUNG WOMAN FROM 20 ON AS SECRETARY IN OUR STATE LEGISLATURE, NEVER WENT TO COLLEGE.

ONE OF THE WAYS SHE DISARMED HER MALE COLLEAGUES WAS BY BOGOTA BIT SALTY, UNFORTUNATELY I PICKED HER FACILITY FOR BAD WORDS.

AND I TRY NOT TO USE THEM VERY OFTEN BUT SOMETIMES IT DOES HAPPEN.

BUT IT'S USUALLY BECAUSE I AM REALLY UPSET ABOUT SOMETHING AND EXPRESSES HOW I FEEL AT THAT MOMENT.

>> I CAN'T SEE YOU COMING OUT OF YOUR MOUTH.

>> NOT ON TV, NO.

NOT IN FRONT OF MY CHILDREN.

>> YOU SPENT MANY YEARS AS THEY SAY TOILING IN THE VINEYARDS TRYING TO GET MORE WOMEN TO RUN FOR CONGRESS.

THAT'S THE POINT OF HER BOOK, WILL SHE SUCCEED?

>> YOU BET.

WE HAVE INCREDIBLE GROUP OF YOUNG WOMEN COMING UP WHO ARE POISED TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT.

THAT'S THE KEY.

YOUNG WOMEN.

IT TAKES A LONG TIME TO BUILD THE KIND OF POWER AND CREDENTIALS THAT YOU NEED TO BE VIABLE ON PRESIDENTIAL STAGE.

WE HAVE ELIZABETH WARREN, KIRSTEN GILLIBRAND AND OTHER WOMEN THAT HAVE INDICATED THEY HAVE AN INTEREST IN THIS.

BUT OF COURSE I THINK SHE'S GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL, I THINK SHE WILL SEE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT AND WINNING ONE DAY.

SHE'S A REMARKABLE WOMAN.

SHE'S PUT A WIDE SWATH IN WASHINGTON.

BUT I WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON HER SURPRISE AROUND THE SEXIST STATEMENT.

WHEN I RAN FOR U.S. CONGRESS IN 2008, WHETHER FAMOUSLY MY HOMETOWN NEWSPAPER RAN THAT VERY SALACIOUS QUOTE WHICH SHOCKED EVERYONE.

I PROCEEDED TO CHANGE WITH MY PARTNERS AT WOMEN'S MEDIA TO FIGHT THAT.

HERE IS SURPRISING STATISTIC.

THAT PEOPLE FEEL LIKE IF THEY PUSH BACK ON COMMENTS LIKE THAT, IT WILL HURT THEM ELECTORALLY.

THE OPPOSITE IS TRUE.

AS LONG AS WELCOMES OUT RIGHT AWAY AND SAYS, THAT SEXIST, SHE UNDOES, SHE UNREELS ALL THAT NEGATIVE DAMAGE AND EVEN JUST A COMMENT ON A WOMAN'S APPEARANCE, CAUSES HER TO DROP BY 12 ELECTORAL POINTS IN THE MINDS OF VOTERS.

SO THIS SEXIST STUFF IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.

OF COURSE HER SON SAID THAT.

HE'S GROWING UP IN A SEXISTS CULTURE.

>> WOW.

HARD TO FOLLOW THAT.

I HAVE MUCH MORE POSITIVE IMAGE OF GIRLS AND WOMEN TODAY.

>> YOU'VE CALLED HER THE GIRL NEXT DOOR.

>> YES.

>> DO YOU THINK SHE IS?

WILL THAT BE TO HER ADVANTAGE POLITICALLY.

>> I CAN'T IMAGINE IT WON'T.

SHE'S EXTREMELY LIKABLE.

>> AND HIGH ENERGY LIKE THERE'S NO TOMORROW.

>> I'VE HEARD GREAT LAKES ABOUT HER.

I HAVE A LOT OF -- I ADMIRE ANYONE WHO RUNS FOR OFFICE AND TAKES ON THAT CHALLENGE BECAUSE IT'S NOT SOMETHING I HAVE CHOSEN TO DO.

DON'T HAVE THE ENERGY TO.

BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT I THINK THAT SHE PERPETUATES THIS IDEA, THAT SHE'S SMILING THAT LIFE IN AMERICA FOR GIRL AND WOMEN IS UNFAIR.

THAT SEXISM IS LURKING BEHIND EVERY CORNER THAT THEY SIMPLY DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY THAT BOYS AND MEN DO.

I THINK THAT IS A BAD STORY TO PAINT BECAUSE SIMPLY NOT TRUE.

>> WHAT KIRSTEN, SHE SHARED WITH ME IN THE HOUSE BEFORE THE SENATE IS TAKEN SEXISM AS ONE OF HER BRANDS.

AND WHAT HE IS IMPORTANT ABOUT WHAT SHE'S DOING NOW IS THAT SHE IS NOT WAITING UNTIL SHE'S READY TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT.

SHE'S TALKING ABOUT HERSELF NOW, MORE YOUNG WOMEN NEED TO DO THAT.

>> YOU SAID TAKING SEXISM IS ONE OF HER BRAND, MORE SO THAN HILLARY CLINTON?

>> YEAH.

I'M TALKING IN THE SENATE.

IN FACT THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF HER LIABILITIES, SHE'S MORE KNOWN FOR THIS VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE THAN SHE ACROSS THE BOARD AND SHE HAS TIME TO FILL IN THE OTHER.

>> IF FOR SOME REASON CLINTON'S CAMPAIGN COLLAPSES, PHONE BILL COMES OUT WITH SOME MORE OF HIS REMARKS LIKE HE DID IN '08 THAT REALLY SET HILLARY BACK, MAYBE HE CAN DO IT EVEN WORSE THIS TIME.

DO YOU THINK SHE WOULD JUMP?

>> ELIZABETH WARREN WOULD BE THE DEMOCRATS CHOICE.

LET'S BE CHEER ABOUT THAT.

THIS IS A WOMAN WHO CAPTURED THE IMAGINATION OF MUCH OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY BUT WE'RE STICKING WITH HILLARY FOR THE MOMENT.

>> I WOULDN'T GO IN TO A VOTING BOOTH AND VOTE FOR THE SENATOR.

I WILL SAY THAT I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT SHE IS OUT THERE TALKING ABOUT GIRLS AND WOMEN AND THINGS THAT YOUNG LADIES CAN DO.

I HOPE -- I DON'T LIKE THAT IT MAY BE AT THE SACRIFICE OF YOUNG MEN BECAUSE I THINK IT'S UNFAIR TO SAY, WELL, LITTLE BOYS ARE SEXIST AND THEY'RE BAD AND WOMEN ARE GOOD.

>> THAT'S IT FOR THIS EDITION.

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