THIS WEEK ON TO THE CONTRARY.•• FIRST, HAS HILLARY CLINCHED IT?

THEN, BLACK MEN ARE LIVING LONGER, YAY!.

BUT WHITE WOMEN'S LIFE EXPECTANCY IS CONTRACTING.

WHY?

BEHIND THE HEADLINES: WHAT'S NEW WITH GIRLS AND SEX, BY BEST-SELLING AUTHOR PEGGY ORENSTEIN.

[♪♪♪] HELLO, I'M BONNIE ERBE.

WELCOME TO TO THE CONTRARY, A DISCUSSION OF NEWS AND SOCIAL TRENDS FROM DIVERSE PERSPECTIVES.

UP FIRST, IS THE BERN OVERSTAYING HIS WELCOME?

WITH FIVE PRESIDENTIAL CONTESTS IN THE NORTHEAST COMING UP, THE PRIMARY SEASON WINDING DOWN, AND HILLARY CLINTON'S HUGE NEW YORK VICTORY, MANY DEMOCRATIC ANALYSTS AND OFFICIALS ARE CALLING FOR HER CHALLENGER TO DROP OUT OR CHANGE HIS RHETORIC.

CLINTON HAS RACKED UP SO MANY PLEDGED DELEGATES, AND SUPER-DELEGATES, SHE HAS MADE BERNIE SANDERS'S PATH TO THE NOMINATION NIGH ONTO IMPOSSIBLE.

SANDERS IS CALLING CLINTON'S JUDGMENT AND CHARACTER INTO QUESTION, AND HAS VOWED TO TAKE HIS FIGHT ALL THE WAY TO THE CONVENTION.

CLINTON OWES HER LARGE LEAD IN LARGE PART TO WOMEN VOTERS, PARTICULARLY WOMEN OF COLOR.

WOMEN HAVE MADE UP ALMOST 60% OF THE PRIMARY VOTERS ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE, WITH CLINTON GETTING THE LION'S SHARE (63%).

IN NEW YORK, CLINTON GOT THE BIGGEST BOOST FROM BLACK WOMEN (79%), FOLLOWED BY LATINAS (67%), AND THEN WHITE WOMEN (56%).

MANY ANALYSTS SAY THESE NUMBERS BODE WELL FOR A GENERAL ELECTION, CONSIDERING HER LIKELY OPPONENT, DONALD TRUMP, IS DEEPLY UNPOPULAR WITH WOMEN: CONGRESSWOMAN NORTON ARE SANDERS' ATTACKS ON CLINTON FAIR GAME OR SEXIST?

>> BONNIE WITH TRUMP AS CLINTON'S LIKELY OPPONENT, I SAY HOLD YOUR FIRE.

>> THESE ATTACKS ARE TOTALLY FINE.

WHY NOT?

THEY ARE NOT SEXIST BECAUSE IT'S EASY TO ATTACK HILLARY WHO IS THE SUBJECT OF AN INVESTIGATION FORKER E-MAIL SERVER AND ROLE IN BENGHAZI.

>> THIS HAS BEEN A CORDIAL CONVERSATION ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE.

HILLARY CAN TAKE IT AND IF SHE CAN'T IF HER CAMPAIGN IS SUGGESTING THAT SANDERS IS TAKING THE LOW ROAD WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN IT'S DONALD TRUMP.

>> SHE IS TOUGH AS NAILS AND SHE IS IN FOR I WOULD SAY A LOT WORSE AS SHE FACES TRUMP.

>> NOBODY THINKS THERE'S SEXISM GOING ON NOBODY SEES BERNIE SANDERS AS SEXIST?

>> BASED ON WHAT EVIDENCE.

>> HOW HE TREATS HIS WIFE?

SHE WAS ON THE STAGE NEXT TO HIM AND HE SET GET AWAY FROM ME.

GET OVER THERE.

I THOUGHT IT WAS MEAN INDICATIVE.

>> I KNOW BERNIE FOR A LONGTIME AND HE HAS A LOT OF CREDIBILITY WITH A LOT OF WOMEN.

MILLENNIAL WOMEN SUPPORT HIM.

>> BUT MORE MILLENNIAL MEN SUPPORT HIM THAN MILLENNIAL WOMEN.

AND THE FACT IS -- >> MILLENNIAL SUPPORT HIM BY A LARGER MARGIN THAN MEN IT'S DRAMATIC.

MILLENNIAL WOMEN SUPPORT BERNIE SANDERS AND OLDER WOMEN SUPPORT HILLARY CLINTON IN BIG NUMBERS.

THE HILLARY CLINTON CAMPAIGN IS PUSHING THIS BECAUSE IT IS AN IMPORTANT THEME AND A WINNING THEME IN A GENERAL ELECTION BUT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHO BERNIE SANDERS IS.

>> THE LEFT POINTS TO THE RIGHT AND SAYS YOU HAVE DEEP FRACTURES HOW DID BERNIE SANDERS MAKE IT THIS FAR.

>> IT WAS NOT THROUGH FRACTURES.

>> THERE IS A FRACTURE THERE.

THE FACT THAT BERNIE IS -- >> THERE IS NO FRACTURE THERE YOU GOT PEOPLE WHO DON'T BELONG IN THE SAME PARTY.

BERNIE AND CLINTON AGREE.

HE -- >> YOU DO NOT THINK THERE IS A FRACTURE THERE?

I THINK THE FRACTURE THERE IS A HUGE FRACTURE BETWEEN EXTREME LEFT WING DEMOCRATS AND MAINSTREAM DEMOCRATS.

>> WHAT IS THE HUGE FRACTURE.

>> 30% OF HIS VOTERS SAID THEY WOULD NOT SUPPORT HER AND HER VOTERS 15% OF HER VOTERS SAID THEY WOULD NOT VOTE FOR HIM.

>> I'VE SEEN SIMILAR FIGURES WITH OBAMA AND CLINTONMENT.

>> YOU THINK MAINSTREAM DEMOCRATS WILL SEE THEMSELVES AS SOCIALISTS OF ANY SORT?

>> I DO NOT THINK THE KIDS SEE THEMSELVES.

THEY DO NOT CARE.

THERE IS A GENERATION THAT IS NOT FIGHTING TO THE DEATH ON THIS.

>> AND THERE IS A GENERATION OF PEOPLE THAT DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHEN A POLITICIAN IS SPEAKING HONESTLY OR MAKING PROMISES THAT ABSOLUTELY CANNOT BE ACCOMPLISHED.

>> SPEAKING HONESTLY.

>> WAIT.

WAIT.

>> I THINK THAT THERE ARE PROBLEMS IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND IT IS CONFUSING TO A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE BERNIE IS STILL INVOLVED.

IT ALMOST MATCHES THE CONFUSION ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE WHY TRUMP IS STILL IN THE RACE.

>> TRUMP IS -- TRUMP HAS SERIOUS OPPOSITION, PLANNED DESTRUCTION BY THE LEADERSHIP OF HIS PARTY.

YOU DO NOT SEE THAT AGAINST BERNIE.

>> FROM THE BEGINNING PEOPLE ASSUMED THAT THIS WAS HILLARY'S WIN.

AND THE FACT THAT BERNIE HE IS NOT JUST LIMPING ALONG IT IS NOT KASICH.

>> BUT IT HAS GOTTEN TO THE POINT NOW WHERE HE IS NOT GOING TO GET THE DELEGATES AND THE POINT IS -- >> HE IS GOING TO THE CONVENTION WITH A HUGE NUMBER OF DELEGATES MORE THAN ANY CHALLENGERMENT.

>> AND WHAT PRICE?

>> WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT COMPETITION?

WAIT A MINUTE.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT COMPETITION.

FIRST OF ALL HE HAS HOLDS OF THE ISSUE OF ESPECIALLY POCK, INCOME INEQUALITY GLOBAL.

HE HAS DONE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY GOOD BY [INAUDIBLE] >> THERE ARE FEMINIST LEADERS WHO SAY FRANKLY THAT IS NOT THE ISSUE OF THE EPOC IT'S ONE THAT SECRETARY CLINTON HAS RAISED WHICH IS INCOME INEQUALITY AND MOST OF INCOME INEQUALITY IS THE FACT THAT WOMEN ARE THE MAJORITY OF EARNERS OF THE MINIMUM WAGE AND THAT IF THERE WERE LESS SEXISM AND MORE EQUAL PAY THAT IS THE REAL ISSUE.

>> IT'S ACROSS THE BOARD.

LET'S NOT DIVIDE PEOPLE ALONG THOSE LINES.

>> STATISTICALLY IF YOU TAKE IT APART MORE WOMEN -- >> MORE WOMEN DISADVANTAGED BY INCOME INEQUALITY.

BUT IF THIS WERE JUST WOMEN IT WOULD NOT BE THE ISSUE IT'S BECOME.

>> I'M TELLING YOU WHAT I HAVE HEARD FROM FEMINIST LEADERS THE OLDER ONES THAT CANNOT STAND BERNIE AND SAYING HE HAS TAKEN OVER THE ISSUE IN A WAY THAT -- >> TO PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE THE SAME WOMEN SHOULD LOOK AT HILLARY THEY PAY 38% LESS TO WOMEN THAN MEN.

>> AND OBAMA WHO SUPPOSEDLY A BIG FEMALE SUPPORTER HAD A HIGH PERCENTAGE OF HIGHEST PAID MALE EMPLOYEES WERE MALE.

>> POT CALLING THE KETTLE.

IT'S TO THE POINT THAT HILLARY SHOULD NOT HAVE FACED THIS MUCH OPPOSITION.

SHE SHOULD HAVE LOCKED IT UP.

IT SHOULD NOT HAVE TAKEN FOR HER TO GET TO NEW YORK.

AND ALSO THE CONFLICTING REPORTS IN THE MEDIA TODAY TALKING ABOUT FOR THE PAST COUPLE WEEKS ABOUT BERNIE GETTING OVER TO PHILADELPHIA TO THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CONVENTION AND STAGES SOME SORT OF I DON'T KNOW GETTING THE SUPER DELEGATES TO FLIP.

THERE IS A LOT OF TALK OF THAT AND IT'S NOT COVERED ENOUGH.

A LOT OF TALK WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN CLEVELAND FOR THE REPUBLICANS BUT NOT WHAT IS HAPPENING BETWEEN BERNIE AND HILLARY AND HOW BERNIE IS STILL PLANNING TO STAY HIS COURSE.

>> HE WILL GO TO THE CONVENTION.

>> I WANT TO GET OFF -- HE HAS A MINORITY OF MINORITY PARTY THAT DOESN'T REPUBLICAN 50% OF THE POPULATION.

>> HILLARY CLINTON IS STRUGGLING.

>> I WANT TO GET TO JULIE SHE IS TALKING ABOUT PICKING POSSIBLY A FEMALE VICE-PRESIDENT BECAUSE SHE IS GOING TO WIN.

BERNIE IS OUT OF IT AT THIS POINT.

IN TERMS OF CLINCHING THE NOMINATION.

>> SHE HAS SAID THAT.

IT'S QUITE POSSIBLE THAT SHE WILL HAVE A WOMAN POSSIBLY LIZ BOAT WARREN ON THE TICKET WITH HER.

>> WHO WOULDN'T SAY THAT?

>> WELL, I MEAN I WILL TELL YOU, ONE OF OUR PANELISTS ON THE SHOW WHO IS BIG OBAMA SUPPORTER WHEN HE HAD GOTTEN THE NOMINATION BUT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT WHO HE WAS GOING TO PICK I WAS TOLD THEY WERE TALKING NOTHING BUT A WHITE MALE.

>> ANYBODY TODAY MALE OR FEMALE WOULD SAY I WILL CONSIDER A WOMAN.

>> OF COURSE CONSIDER.

BUT WHAT ABOUT I WANT TO GET INTO WHO THAT SHOULD BE AND IF IT SHOULD BE A WOMAN?

>> I THINK ELIZABETH WARREN IS A SUPER SMART PICK BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE SANDERS CONSTITUENCY WHICH HILLARY NEEDS.

SHE HAS STRUGGLED.

>> SHE NEEDS SENATOR WARNER TO GRAB THIS CENTER RIGHT THE INDEPENDENT VOTERS THAT IS DISGRUNTLED WITH WHAT IS HAPPENING ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE AND SAYING COME WITH ME.

SHE WOULD BE SMART TO PICK SENATOR WARREN.

>> SHE IS GOING TO MOVE BACK TO THE CENTER AND SO IN SOME WAYS IT LEAVES IT OPEN TO HAVE ELIZABETH WARREN WHO IS LEFT OF HILLARY CLINTON.

SO I SEE IT AS A GOOD FIT.

SHE CAN STILL HAVE A MUCH MORE LIBERAL DEMOCRAT ON THE TICKET AS SHE MOVES RIGHT.

I CAN SEE THAT.

>> THERE ARE MANY MEN AND WOMEN ON THE CHESS BOARD AND YOU SHOULDN'T CONSIDER SEX ALONE.

PART OF THE COUNTRY, POLITICS, REALLY THERE IS A LOT OF FACTORS HERE THAT NEED TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT IN A COUNTRY LIKE THIS.

>> PLEASE FOLLOW ME ON TWITTERMENT FROM ELECTION ODDS TO LONGEVITY.

FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE THE GOVERNMENT BEGAN KEEPING HEALTH STATISTICS, THE LIFESPAN OF NON-HISPANIC WHITE WOMEN HAS DECLINED.

THE CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROL REPORTS THEY ARE EXPECTED TO LIVE, ON AVERAGE, ONE MONTH LESS - 81-POINT-ONE YEARS.

THE DROP IN LIFE EXPECTANCY FOR WHITE WOMEN WAS FOUND TO BE LARGELY DUE TO "UNINTENTIONAL POISONING"-THAT IS, ALCOHOL AND DRUG USE.

BUT SURPRISINGLY, INSTANCES OF HEART DISEASE, CANCER, AND STROKE DECREASED FOR THIS POPULATION.

ON THE UP SIDE, NON-HISPANIC BLACK MEN LIVES ARE INCREASING BY SOME SIX MONTHS.

GOOD NEWS AND BAD NEWS.

TO THE WHITE WOMEN FIRST.

WHY ALCOHOL, DRUGS, SUICIDE THAT THERE WAS A REPORT OUT FROM CDC SHOWING SUICIDE AMONG YOUNG GIRLS TEENS, GIRLS IS RISING?

WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?

>> ALL WOMEN THEIR LIFE EXPECTANCY HAS GONE DOWN SHOWING KILLING THEMSELVES THROUGH ALCOHOL AND DRUGS AND RISKY BEHAVIORS.

LOOK, I THINK ONE THING THAT IS NOT BEING TALKED ABOUT IS ECONOMIC INSTABILITY, UNEMPLOYMENT IS VERY STRESSFUL AND IN THAT DEMOGRAPHIC WOMEN HAVE A HIGH RATE OF UNEMPLOYMENT.

THERE'S INCREASING ECONOMIC INSTABILITY.

SO WE MIGHT BE SEEING A LITTLE BIT OF DEALING WITH THE STRESS IN UNHEALTHY WAYS.

THAT IS MY THEORIMENT I THINK THAT THESE ECONOMIC PROBLEMS ARE VERY CLEARLY ALIGNED WITH WORSE HEALTH OUT COMES.

>> YOU ARE SO RIGHT.

YOU ARE SO RIGHT.

>> AND JUST QUICKLY WOMEN ALSO DO THE LARGER SHARE OF THINGS IN THE HOUSEHOLD THEY TAKE CARE OF THE KIDS AND DO ALL OF THE SHOPPING.

IF THEY ARE ALSO THE BREAD WINNERS AND WE KNOW MORE WOMEN ARE GETTING PURSUING CAREERS, IF THAT DOESN'T WORKOUT THEY HAVE THAT STRESS PLUS ALL THE OTHER THINGS THEY DO.

WOMEN ARE FACING TREMENDOUS STRESSES AND WE ARE STARTING TO SEE THAT IN THE MORTALITY RATES.

>> WHAT IS SIGNIFICANT IS WHITE MEN THE SAME WAS SAID ABOUT WHITE MEN.

STATISTICS ON WHITE MEN ARE SAYING SAME THING.

WHAT DO THE PEOPLE HAVE IN COMMON?

THEY ARE WHITE.

IF YOU ARE WHITE IN AMERICA, FOR GENERATIONS INDEED FOREVER YOU BELIEVE THAT THINGS WILL GET BETTER FOR YOU NO MATTER WHAT WAS HAPPENING IT WAS GOING TO GET BETTER.

THAT IS WHAT WE ARE NOT SEEING TODAY.

AND THE RON THAT BLACK MEN FOR EXAMPLE AND BLACK WOMEN ARE NOT SHOWING THE SAME OUT COMES IS THAT THEY HAVE ALWAYS HAD TO BE ASPIRATIONAL THEY HAVE NEVER HAD A PERIOD WHERE THEY COULD BE SATISFIED.

>> THAT IS INTERESTING.

THE RATE OF UNEMPLOYMENT WITH BLACKS IS HIGHER.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE COPING WITH IT MORE.

>> ALWAYS HAD TO BE ASPIRATIONAL.

>> BECAUSE YOU NEVER WERE EQUAL.

YOU LOOK FORWARD TO THINGS GETTING BETTER.

IT'S NEVER THAT THINGS WERE GREAT AND YOU DON'T GO DOWN.

IT'S WHEREAS WHITE PEOPLE SAW THINGS GETTING BETTER ALMOST SAW IT AS AN ENTITLEMENT NOW SEE IT ISN'T AND DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT.

>> HEALTH INDICATORS FOR PEOPLE OF COLOR HAVE BEEN LOUSY ALREADY.

SO THEY ARE NOT GETTING THAT MUCH WORSE.

BUT WHITE PEOPLE ARE SINKING DOWN IN OUR ECONOMY.

SO I THINK WHAT YOU SEE HAPPENING IS THAT THE WHITE MIDDLE CLASS AND THIS IS WHY YOU SEE TRUMP AND SANDERS GETTING A TREMENDOUS RESPONSE, BECAUSE YOU HAVE THIS WHITE MIDDLE CLASS THAT WAS SUPPORTED BY MANUFACTURING IN THE COUNTRY AND HAD GOOD JOBS THAT HAS BEEN DESTROYED AND THERE IS AN ANXIETY AS YOU POINT OUT.

AND PEOPLE ARE UNDER TREMENDOUS STRESS THEY HAVE KIDS AND AGING PARENTS.

THE SAME WITH THE WHITE WORKING CLASS MEN DYING OF HEART ATTACKS.

WOMEN ARE UNDER THE SAME PRESSURES.

>> I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO SEE IS THIS IN URBAN OR RURAL AREAS WHERE ARE WE SEEING THIS DATA?

AND GEOGRAPHICLY SPREAD OUT.

I THINK IN URBAN AREAS THE STRESSES OF EVERYDAY LIFE OF HAVING TO MAKE THINGS WORK IN PLACES WHERE COST OF LIVING IS JUST INCREASINGLY GROWING BIGGER AND BIGGER.

AND SUBURBAN SPRAWL AS WELL, THE SUBURBS ARE NO LONGER A PLACE WHERE LIFE IS CHEAP ANYMORE.

I THINK THAT IS ALL CONTRIBUTING TO LIFE EXPECTANCY.

>> ONE LAST QUICK QUESTION.

ELEANOR, 20 YEARS AGO WE DID A STORY ON THE SHOW BECAUSE OF NUMBER OF FOUNDATIONS WERE REACHING OUT TO BLACK MEN IN PARTICULARLY WHO TRADITIONALLY HAD THE WORST HEALTH DATA IN THE COUNTRY AND STARTED TO REACH OUT AND SETUP CLINICS AND GET THEM INTO SEE DOCTORS INSTEAD OF SHOWING UP AT THE HOSPITAL IN THEIR 50s WITH A HEART ATTACK OR IRREVERSIBLE TERRIBLY LONG-TERM DIABETES THAT THEY WERE NOT GETTING TREATED.

IS THAT WHAT HELPS HERE?

AND DOES THAT MEAN THAT NOW THAT IT'S WHITE WOMEN WHO ARE LOSING GROUND THAT THE FOCUS NEEDS TO SHIFT.

>> EVERYBODY IS GETTING BETTER HEALTHCARE BLACK MEN AND BLACK PEOPLE.

>> IT'S BEING TAUGHT EARLY ON YOU NEED TO SEE A DOCTOR.

AND YOU CANNOT JUST WAIT UNTIL YOU GET SICK.

>> THAT IS WHAT I MEAN BETTER ACCESS TO HEALTHCARE YOU GO BEFORE YOU ARE ABOUT TO DIE.

WHAT IS TROUBLING, THOUGH, IS THAT WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THESE WOMEN UNLIKE CANCER AND HEART DISEASE FOR THE BLACK MEN, IS SELF-INFLICTED.

AND THAT IS WHY WE ARE WORRYING THAT COMES SO MUCH FROM PSYCHOLOGICAL PERCEPTION.

>> IT IS SELF MEDICATION AND THE -- >> AND THE ADDED STRESS OF DOING IT ALL.

BEHIND THE HEADLINES GIRLS AND SEX HAVING THE TALK WITH PARENTS AND PARTICIPATING IN SEX ED ARE NO LONGER THE ONLY WAY GIRLS COME TO UNDERSTAND SEX.

WE TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A GIRL GROWING UP AND FIGURING OUT WHAT IT ALL MEANS.

>> TODAY'S GIRLS ARE TOLD TO EMBRACE IT AS A FORM OF CONFIDENCE AND POWER.

BUT THE THING IS THAT BECAUSE THERE IS SUCH A DISCONNECT BETWEEN THE PROJECTION AND PERFORMANCE OF SEXUALITY AND WHAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY FEELING AND DOING THEIR BEHAVE THAT CONFIDENCE OFTEN COMES OFF WITH THE CLOTHES.

>> PEGGY ORNSTEIN IS A BEST SELLING AUTHOR IN HER LATEST GIRLS AND SEX HOW GIRLS ARE NAVIGATING THE COMPLICATED NEW LANDSCAPE OF SEX.

>> THE CULTURE TELLS GIRLS THAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE HOT.

AND THAT HOT IS THIS IDEA THAT HOW YOUR BODY LOOKS TO OTHER PEOPLE IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN HOW IT FEELS TO YOURSELF.

EVEN AS WE PUSH GIRLS AND DEMONIZE THEM FOR GOING FOR THIS IDEA OF HOT, WE DON'T TALK TO THEM ABOUT THEIR BODIES.

WITH GIRLS YOU GO FROM NAVEL TO KNEES.

AND THEN PARTNERED SEX AND WE EXPECT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE A VOICE AND A SENSE OF ENTITLEMENT AND SOME SENSE OF EQUALITY.

>> ACCORDING TO ORNSTEIN AMERICAN STUDENTS MAY FEEL A GREATER SENSE OF EQUALITY WHEN IT COMES TO SEX IF THEY ARE EXPOSED TO SEX EDUCATION CLASSES LIKE THOSE IN THE NETHERLANDS.

>> THERE WAS A STUDY DONE THAT COMPARED COLLEGE GIRLS THE SAME DEMOGRAPHIC IN EVERY MEASURE, THE DUTCH FARED BETTER THAN THE AMERICANS IN EARLY SEXUAL EXPERIENCE AND PARTICULARLY THE DIFFERENCE IN THE WAY THE PARENTS APPROACH IT.

SO AMERICAN PARENTS AND DUTCH PARENTS ARE NOT MORE OR LESS COMFORTABLE TALKING ABOUT SEX BUT AMERICANS TEND TO ONLY TALK ABOUT RISK AND HARM.

AND THE DUTCH TALK ABOUT BALANCING RESPONSIBILITY AND JOY.

>> POWERFUL WOMEN SUCH AS MILEY CYRUS USE THEIR OWN SEXUALITY AS A WAY TO ADVANCE FEMINIST IDEALS THROUGH SELF OBJECTIVE INDICATION.

MANY WOMEN IDOLIZE THIS TACTIC BUT DOES IT PROMOTE EQUALITY?

>> WE KNOW IT HAS HARMFUL IMPACT ON GIRLS.

IT AFFECTS THEM COGNITIVELY AND IT AFFECTS THEIR WELL-BEING, IT AFFECTS THEM IN TERMS OF LEADERSHIP.

GIRLS LEAVE COLLEGE WITH LOWER SELF-ESTEEM THAN BOYS BECAUSE OF SOME OF THESE REASONS AND WHEN GIRLS CONSUME A LOT OF SELF OBJECTIFYING MEDIA THEY BECOME MORE LIKELY TO JUSTIFY IT, MORE LIKELY TO SEE IT AS EMPOWERING, AND LESS LIKELY TO SUPPORT EQUAL RIGHTS FOR WOMEN.

>> THE INTERNET ESPECIALLY SOCIAL MEDIA PROVIDES CHANNELS OF COMMUNICATION FOR GIRLS THAT CAN CONTRIBUTE TO SELF BRANDING AND MAY NOT ALWAYS HAVE POSITIVE RESULTS.

>> THE INTERNET OBVIOUSLY IS SUCH A GAME CHANGER FOR KIDS.

ON ONE HAND THERE'S WONDERFUL THINGS ABOUT IT.

IT'S ALLOWED THE GIRLS TO COMMON WATT ASSAULT ON CAMPUS TO HAVE A FORUM AND VOICE AND IT'S GREAT FOR LGBT KIDS AS THE KIDS COME OUT YOUNGER AND YOUNGER AND MAY NOT HAVE FAMILY SUPPORT.

AND IT'S ALSO BEEN A CHALLENGE IN TERMS OF GIRLS AND AGAIN THAT IDEA OF THE EXTERNALIZATION OF THE SELF, THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SELF FROM THE OUTSIDE IN INSTEAD OF THE INSIDE OUT AND FOR GIRLS IN PROTECT THERE IS RESEARCH THAT THOSE THAT THEY TALK ABOUT THEMSELVES MORE AS A PRODUCT, MORE AS A BRAND THAT THEY ARE MARKETING TO THEIR 855BFF'S.

AND WHILE KIDS TRIED ON IDENTITIES AND CAST THEM OFF THEY DID IT IN A SMALL COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE THAT THEY KNEW AND IT WAS NOT ON THE INTERNET FOREVER.

AND THE WAY THAT THEY ARE DOING IT NOW, IT JUST REESPECIALLY FORCES THAT IDEA.

YOU ARE GOING -- EVERY GIRL WOULD SAY OF COURSE YOU GET WAY MORE LIKES WITH A BIKINI SHOT THAN IN A PARKA.

IT TELLS GIRLS OVER AND OVER THAT VISIBILITY IS THE MEASURE OF THE SELF.

>> AS A MOTHER OF THREE DAUGHTERS HOW ARE YOU FIGHTING THIS?

HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH IT?

>> I READ THIS BOOK ON THE PLANE WHICH WAS EMBARRASSING BECAUSE IT'S GIRLS AND SEX ON THE COVER.

AND IT MADE A BIG IMPRESSION ON ME I HAVE TO SAY.

THE TWO POINTS SHE MADE ONE THAT WE DON'T NAME GIRLS GENITALS LIKE WE DON'T TALK ABOUT THAT AND THAT IS SO DIFFERENT FROM BOYS HIT ME BECAUSE THAT IS REALLY TRUE.

AND RHODE ISLAND -- >> I HAVE.

>> HAVING GIRLS HAVING COMFORT WITH THEIR BODY AND THAT IS HAPPENING AT THE SAME TIME THAT THEY ARE GETTING THIS MASSIVE SOCIAL PRESSURE TO LOOK GOOD FOR OTHERS AND BRAND THEMSELVES.

SO IT'S THIS HYPER COGNITIVE OF YOUR LOOKS AND THEN THEY GET TO COLLEGE AND HAVING SEX WITH BOYS AND IT'S RACEY AND SHOCKING TO PEOPLE.

AT MY AGE AND OLDER.

BUT IT'S NOT ANY FUN FOR THEM.

THEY ARE NOT HAVING FUN THEY DON'T HAVE THE BASIC MECHANICS OF THEIR OWN SEXUAL.

THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH KNOWLEDGE TO ENJOY THEMSELVES.

>> WHAT IS THE ANSWER?

>> WELL, I THINK IT'S TRUE THAT SEX ED IS PART OF IT.

I THINK THAT TALKING TO YOUR GIRLS FRANKLY ABOUT HOW THEIR BODIES WORK AND THEN IN OUR CULTURE, WE'VE SPENT $1.7 BILLION SINCE 1982 ON AN SENTENCE NENS ONLY EDUCATION AND THE KIDS ARE NO LESS LIKELY TO BE SEXUALLY ACTIVE BUT MORE LIKELY NOT TO HAVE PROTECTION.

WE NEED TO STOP THAT.

AND WE NEED TO TEACH GIRLS HOW TO LOVE THEMSELVES AND BE HAPPY AND NOT BE ALL ABOUT WHAT OTHER PEOPLE SEE WHEN THEY LOOK AT THEM AND THAT IS A FAMILY ISSUE.

>> AND A LOT OF WOMEN WHO CAME UP SOONER THAN MILLENNIALS NOW AND THEIR CHILDREN LIKE YOU, FIND THE IDEA OF SELF EMPOWERMENT AND RUNNING AROUND IN HALF CLOTHED TO BE COUNTER INUSE ACTIVE.

>> IT IS COUNTER INTUITIVE.

IT IS A PERSONAL DISCUSSION AND I ENCOURAGE PEOPLE ON FOCUS ON THE FAMILY AND LEARN HOW TO SPEAK TO YOUR CHILDREN ABOUT SEX.

I AM NOT ON THE FAR RIGHT.

I THINK THIS TRANSCENDS PARTISAN BARRIERS BUT WHAT THEY HAD ON THE SITE AGAIN TRANSCENDS WHERE YOU ARE RELIGIOUSLY.

THEY SAID IT STARTS AT HOME AND I BELIEVE THAT.

THESE TALKS NEED TO START AT HOME.

ONLY YOU HAVE THE TALKS WITH YOUR CHILD.

DO NOT PUNT IT TO THE CHURCH OR THE SCHOOL BUT YOUR POINT ABOUT SEX EDUCATION AND MILLENNIALS CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT 75% OF MILLENNIALS THINK THERE SHOULD BE SEX EDUCATION IN SCHOOLS AND 23% OF US DID NOT HAVE ANY.

WE DID NOT HAVE SEX EDUCATION IN SCHOOLS YET 75% OF US WANT IT.

>> WHEN YOU OWN BODY IS A FOREIGN INSTRUMENT THAT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND IT'S AMAZING THAT THEY GOT THIS FAR.

BOYS WHO UNDERSTANDS HIS BODY VERY WELL IS JUST WAITING FOR YOU.

AND SEX WITHOUT ANY EXCITEMENT TO A YOUNG GIRL, SHE HAS EXCITED HIM.

>> SEX YOUNG SEX AND YOUTH IS NOT NEW.

THAT'S BEEN OPEN AND OUT THERE SINCE THE 60s.

THE SEXUAL REVOLUTION WAS 50 YEARS AGO.

I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS NEW HERE.

>> MAYBE I'M MISUNDERSTANDING BUT I DO NOT THINK GIRLS ARE TOTALLY CLUELESS ABOUT THEIR BODIES.

LOOK AT BEYONCE AND LOOK AT THE ONES THAT ENTERTAINERS I'M TOO OLD TO KNOW THEIR NAMES.

THAT I THINK THAT GIRLS ARE TOLD ALL THE TIME TO FAMILIARIZE THEMSELVES WITH THEIR BODIES AND PO POSE HALF CLOTHED.

>> MAYBE IN THE WRONG WAY.

>> AND THEY ARE DISPLAYING THEMSELVES BUT THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT MAKES THEM FEEL GOOD AND WHEN THEY HAVE SEX THEY DON'T ENJOY IT.

IT'S JUST OVERWHELMING -- >> WAIT A SECOND.

SEX ED IN SCHOOLS ANYWAY WAS NEVER ABOUT WHAT MAKES YOU FEEL GOOD.

IT WAS ABOUT HOW THE -- BASIC BIOLOGY.

>> SHE TALKS ABOUT THE DIRE WARNING.

AMERICANS WILL SAY YOU ARE GOING TO GET PREGNANT AND GET A DISEASE AND IT WILL BE TERRIBLE.

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