>> THIS WEEK ON "TO THE >> THIS WEEK ON "TO THE CONTRARY" CONTRARY" FIRST, WASHINGTON SPARS AS WOMEN FIRST, WASHINGTON SPARS AS WOMEN AND CHILDREN POUR OVER THE AND CHILDREN POUR OVER THE SOUTHERN BORDER.

SOUTHERN BORDER.

THEN, ARE HOMOPHOBIA AND SEX THEN, ARE HOMOPHOBIA AND SEX DISCRIMINATION THE SAME THING?

DISCRIMINATION THE SAME THING?

BEHIND THE HEADLINES: EDUCATING BEHIND THE HEADLINES: EDUCATING WOMEN AS THE KEY TO ENDING WOMEN AS THE KEY TO ENDING GLOBAL POVERTY.

>> HELLO, I'M BONNIE ERBE.

>> HELLO, I'M BONNIE ERBE.

WELCOME TO "TO THE CONTRARY", A WELCOME TO "TO THE CONTRARY", A DISCUSSION OF NEWS AND SOCIAL DISCUSSION OF NEWS AND SOCIAL TRENDS FROM DIVERSE TRENDS FROM DIVERSE PERSPECTIVES.

PERSPECTIVES.

UP FIRST, POLITICS AND THE UP FIRST, POLITICS AND THE CRISIS ON THE BORDER.

CRISIS ON THE BORDER.

PRESIDENT OBAMA, TEXAS GOVERNOR PRESIDENT OBAMA, TEXAS GOVERNOR RICK PERRY AND REPUBLICANS IN RICK PERRY AND REPUBLICANS IN CONGRESS AGREE THERE'S A CONGRESS AGREE THERE'S A HUMANITARIAN CRISIS AT OUR HUMANITARIAN CRISIS AT OUR BORDER.

BORDER.

BUT THERE'S NO AGREEMENT ON HOW BUT THERE'S NO AGREEMENT ON HOW TO ADDRESS IT, THAT AS TO ADDRESS IT, THAT AS UNPRECEDENTED NUMBERS OF UNPRECEDENTED NUMBERS OF MOTHERS, YOUNG CHILDREN AND TEEN MOTHERS, YOUNG CHILDREN AND TEEN GIRLS CONTINUE TO FLOOD OUR GIRLS CONTINUE TO FLOOD OUR SOUTHERN BORDER.

SOUTHERN BORDER.

THE PRESIDENT ALSO FACES THE PRESIDENT ALSO FACES CRITICISM FOR NOT VISITING THE CRITICISM FOR NOT VISITING THE BORDER DURING HIS TRIP THIS WEEK BORDER DURING HIS TRIP THIS WEEK TO TEXAS.

TO TEXAS.

AFTER MEETING WITH GOVERNOR AFTER MEETING WITH GOVERNOR PERRY THE PRESIDENT LAID DOWN A PERRY THE PRESIDENT LAID DOWN A CHALLENGE TO CONGRESSIONAL CHALLENGE TO CONGRESSIONAL REPUBLICANS THAT AS HE'S ASKING REPUBLICANS THAT AS HE'S ASKING THEM FOR $3.7 BILLION TO HOUSE, THEM FOR $3.7 BILLION TO HOUSE, FEED AND PROCESS THE 50,000+ FEED AND PROCESS THE 50,000+ MOTHERS AND CHILDREN.

MOTHERS AND CHILDREN.

>> WHAT I EMPHASIZED TO THE >> WHAT I EMPHASIZED TO THE GOVERNOR WAS THE PROBLEM HERE IS GOVERNOR WAS THE PROBLEM HERE IS NOT A MAJOR DISAGREEMENT AROUND NOT A MAJOR DISAGREEMENT AROUND THE ACTIONS THAT COULD BE THE ACTIONS THAT COULD BE HELPFUL IN DEALING WITH THE HELPFUL IN DEALING WITH THE PROBLEM.

PROBLEM.

THE CHALLENGE IS, IS CONGRESS THE CHALLENGE IS, IS CONGRESS PREPARED TO ACT TO PUT THE PREPARED TO ACT TO PUT THE RESOURCES IN PLACE TO GET THIS RESOURCES IN PLACE TO GET THIS DONE.

DONE.

>> BUT REPUBLICANS PLACE THE >> BUT REPUBLICANS PLACE THE BLAME FOR THE DELUGE ON THE BLAME FOR THE DELUGE ON THE PRESIDENT FOR "PROMISING PRESIDENT FOR "PROMISING AMNESTY" IN THE WORDS OF TEXAS AMNESTY" IN THE WORDS OF TEXAS SENATOR TED CRUZ.

AND SAY THE SENATOR TED CRUZ.

AND SAY THE PRESIDENT SHOULD SECURE THE PRESIDENT SHOULD SECURE THE BORDER AND STOP THE FLOW OF BORDER AND STOP THE FLOW OF ILLEGAL ENTRANTS FIRST.

ILLEGAL ENTRANTS FIRST.

THE CHILDREN LEFT CENTRAL THE CHILDREN LEFT CENTRAL AMERICA MAINLY TO ESCAPE GANG AMERICA MAINLY TO ESCAPE GANG VIOLENCE AND SEX TRAFFICKING OR VIOLENCE AND SEX TRAFFICKING OR BE REUNITED WITH FAMILY IN THE BE REUNITED WITH FAMILY IN THE U.S.

LEGALLY OR ILLEGALLY.

U.S.

LEGALLY OR ILLEGALLY.

THE UNITED NATIONS IS ASKING THE THE UNITED NATIONS IS ASKING THE GOVERNMENT TO TREAT THE CHILDREN GOVERNMENT TO TREAT THE CHILDREN AS REFUGEES FLEEING VIOLENCE.

AS REFUGEES FLEEING VIOLENCE.

SO SO IS THE PRESIDENT RIGHT IS IS THE PRESIDENT RIGHT IS CONGRESS MORE INTERESTED IN CONGRESS MORE INTERESTED IN PLAYING POLITICS THAN FIXING THE PLAYING POLITICS THAN FIXING THE SITUATION?

SITUATION?

>> I AGREE WITH PRESIDENT OBAMA.

>> I AGREE WITH PRESIDENT OBAMA.

I THINK THAT OBAMA I THINK THAT OBAMA ADMINISTRATION HAS PUT FORWARD A ADMINISTRATION HAS PUT FORWARD A VERY REASONABLE PACKAGE AND VERY REASONABLE PACKAGE AND REPUBLICANS ARE TRYING TO BLAME REPUBLICANS ARE TRYING TO BLAME HIM FOR A PROBLEM.

HIM FOR A PROBLEM.

AND ACTUALLY BY A LAW SIGNED BY AND ACTUALLY BY A LAW SIGNED BY PRESIDENT BUSH IN 2008.

PRESIDENT BUSH IN 2008.

>> I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO >> I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO PUT ALL THE BLAME ON PUT ALL THE BLAME ON REPUBLICANS.

REPUBLICANS.

EVEN SENATE DEMOCRATS SOUNDED EVEN SENATE DEMOCRATS SOUNDED SKEPTICAL OF THE 3.7 BILLION SKEPTICAL OF THE 3.7 BILLION DOLLARS THE PRESIDENT WAS ASKING DOLLARS THE PRESIDENT WAS ASKING FOR.

FOR.

>> BONNIE, THE PRESIDENT'S >> BONNIE, THE PRESIDENT'S BALANCED APPROACH IS WHAT IS BALANCED APPROACH IS WHAT IS NEEDED GIVEN BACKLASH AND NEEDED GIVEN BACKLASH AND DEMOCRATIC COMPASSION.

DEMOCRATIC COMPASSION.

>> WHAT WAR SEEING IS LOOT OF >> WHAT WAR SEEING IS LOOT OF PEOPLE LOOKING TO 2016 AS PARSE PEOPLE LOOKING TO 2016 AS PARSE THE ISSUE OUT FROM THE LARGER THE ISSUE OUT FROM THE LARGER IMMIGRATION DEBATE AND DEAL WITH IMMIGRATION DEBATE AND DEAL WITH IT THAT WAY.

IT THAT WAY.

>> FIRST OF ALL I WANT TO GET TO >> FIRST OF ALL I WANT TO GET TO THE LAW THAT YOU MENTIONED THE THE LAW THAT YOU MENTIONED THE 2008 LAW.

2008 LAW.

THE LAW WAS WRITTEN TO DEAL WITH THE LAW WAS WRITTEN TO DEAL WITH YOUNG PREDOMINANTLY GIRLS WHO YOUNG PREDOMINANTLY GIRLS WHO HAD BEEN SEX TRAFFICKED OR WHO HAD BEEN SEX TRAFFICKED OR WHO WERE ATTEMPTED TO BE SEX WERE ATTEMPTED TO BE SEX TRAFFICKED IN TO THE COUNTRY.

TRAFFICKED IN TO THE COUNTRY.

WHY IS IT BEING APPLIED TO A WHY IS IT BEING APPLIED TO A SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE MASS SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE MASS MIGRATION.

MIGRATION.

IT'S NOT MASS SEX TRAFFICKING IT'S NOT MASS SEX TRAFFICKING GOING ON.

GOING ON.

>> LET ME JUST SAY COUPLE OF >> LET ME JUST SAY COUPLE OF COMMENTS OF THE OVERALL COMMENTS OF THE OVERALL SITUATION.

SITUATION.

I THINK IT'S A TRAGEDY FOR THE I THINK IT'S A TRAGEDY FOR THE CHILDREN THAT ARE LIVING IN THE CHILDREN THAT ARE LIVING IN THE CIRCUMSTANCES THE PARENTS HAVE CIRCUMSTANCES THE PARENTS HAVE NO CHOICE TO SEND KIDS BY NO CHOICE TO SEND KIDS BY THEMSELVES TO A BORDER SITUATION THEMSELVES TO A BORDER SITUATION THAT THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT IS THAT THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

GOING TO HAPPEN.

THE TRAGEDY OF THE POLITICAL THE TRAGEDY OF THE POLITICAL SYSTEM IN WHICH WE HAVE AN SYSTEM IN WHICH WE HAVE AN IMPACT.

IMPACT.

YOU'RE RIGHT WHEN YOU ARE YOU'RE RIGHT WHEN YOU ARE DEALING WITH A CRISIS OF THIS DEALING WITH A CRISIS OF THIS NATURE, WHEN YOU HAVE THOUSANDS NATURE, WHEN YOU HAVE THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN COMING TO YOUR OF CHILDREN COMING TO YOUR BORDER AS A GOVERNMENT YOU HAVE BORDER AS A GOVERNMENT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE RESOURCES BOTH TO HAVE THE RESOURCES BOTH FINANCIAL AND LEGALLY TO HANDLE FINANCIAL AND LEGALLY TO HANDLE A SITUATION.

A SITUATION.

I THINK THAT IS WHAT OBAMA I THINK THAT IS WHAT OBAMA ADMINISTRATION HAS PUT FORWARD A ADMINISTRATION HAS PUT FORWARD A PACKAGE THAT DEALS WITH THE PACKAGE THAT DEALS WITH THE CHILDREN AND ASKING FOR CHILDREN AND ASKING FOR DISCRETION ON THE LAWS SO DISCRETION ON THE LAWS SO THEY'RE ABLE TO INCREASE THE THEY'RE ABLE TO INCREASE THE NUMBER TO JUDGES TO PROCESS NUMBER TO JUDGES TO PROCESS THESE FASTER THAT THEY CAN THESE FASTER THAT THEY CAN HANDLE THE SITUATION IN A WAY HANDLE THE SITUATION IN A WAY THAT IS HUMANE, MEETS THE THAT IS HUMANE, MEETS THE STANDARDS OF THE UNITED STATES STANDARDS OF THE UNITED STATES AND INTERNATIONAL STANDARDS.

AND INTERNATIONAL STANDARDS.

>> BUT -- WELCOME TO THE PANEL.

>> BUT -- WELCOME TO THE PANEL.

WHAT ABOUT USING THIS LAW, WHY WHAT ABOUT USING THIS LAW, WHY IT CAN'T CONGRESS OR PRESIDENT IT CAN'T CONGRESS OR PRESIDENT JUST SAY THIS IS NOT ABOUT SEX JUST SAY THIS IS NOT ABOUT SEX TRAFFICKING THIS LAW DOESN'T TRAFFICKING THIS LAW DOESN'T APPLY THERE.

APPLY THERE.

FOR THEY GO BACK HOME.

FOR THEY GO BACK HOME.

THEY GET TURNED A WAY.

THEY GET TURNED A WAY.

WE ARE ALLOWING BUS LOADS TO WE ARE ALLOWING BUS LOADS TO COME TO THE BORDER IN THE COME TO THE BORDER IN THE SAN DIEGO AREA TO CROSS IN TO SAN DIEGO AREA TO CROSS IN TO THE UNITED STATES.

THE UNITED STATES.

WHY NOT TURN THEM AROUND?

WHY NOT TURN THEM AROUND?

>> REFER TO THIS LOOPHOLE FROM >> REFER TO THIS LOOPHOLE FROM TUWAITHA DEALS WITH PEOPLE TUWAITHA DEALS WITH PEOPLE FROM -- CHILDREN FROM CENTRAL FROM -- CHILDREN FROM CENTRAL AMERICA.

AMERICA.

THE OTHER MIGRANTS FROM MEXICO THE OTHER MIGRANTS FROM MEXICO AND CANADA THEY ARE TURNED AWAY.

AND CANADA THEY ARE TURNED AWAY.

I THINK RIGHT NOW WHAT WE'RE I THINK RIGHT NOW WHAT WE'RE SEEING THESE CHILDREN ARE NOT SEEING THESE CHILDREN ARE NOT BEING PROCESSED FAST ENOUGH AND BEING PROCESSED FAST ENOUGH AND ANY SORT OF LEGISLATION LIKE ANY SORT OF LEGISLATION LIKE THIS IS MEANT TO PROCESS THEM THIS IS MEANT TO PROCESS THEM FASTER, BUT THERE IS MORE THAN FASTER, BUT THERE IS MORE THAN JUST THAT GOING ON HERE.

JUST THAT GOING ON HERE.

WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS ACTUALLY WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS ACTUALLY STOP THIS MIGRATION.

STOP THIS MIGRATION.

THIS MIGRATION IS REALLY MORE THIS MIGRATION IS REALLY MORE TIED TOWARD WHAT PRESIDENT OBAMA TIED TOWARD WHAT PRESIDENT OBAMA DID BACK IN 2011 WITH HIS DACA DID BACK IN 2011 WITH HIS DACA ACT ALLOWED FOR YOUNG PEOPLE TO ACT ALLOWED FOR YOUNG PEOPLE TO BE BROUGHT -- CHILDREN TO BE -- BE BROUGHT -- CHILDREN TO BE -- ONCE THEY'RE BROUGHT TO THE ONCE THEY'RE BROUGHT TO THE BORDERS THAT THEY COULD ACTUALLY BORDERS THAT THEY COULD ACTUALLY STAY HERE.

STAY HERE.

THEN YOU HAVE HAPPEN IS IN THEN YOU HAVE HAPPEN IS IN CENTRAL AMERICA A LOT OF CENTRAL AMERICA A LOT OF MISINFORMATION ABOUT THIS LAW, MISINFORMATION ABOUT THIS LAW, ALL OF YOU'D IS EN, WELL THINGS ALL OF YOU'D IS EN, WELL THINGS ARE BAD RIGHT NOW YOU CAN COME ARE BAD RIGHT NOW YOU CAN COME TO THE UNITED STATES ONCE YOUR TO THE UNITED STATES ONCE YOUR CHILDREN GET HERE THEY CAN STAY.

CHILDREN GET HERE THEY CAN STAY.

THAT IS A LOT OF MISINFORMATION THAT IS A LOT OF MISINFORMATION THAT WE NEED TO CHANGE.

THAT WE NEED TO CHANGE.

BUT WE'RE CLEANING UP AFTER BUT WE'RE CLEANING UP AFTER PRESIDENT OBAMA.

PRESIDENT OBAMA.

>> THE U.N. HAS GONE -- THEY >> THE U.N. HAS GONE -- THEY HAVE ALREADY SHOWN HAVING THE HAVE ALREADY SHOWN HAVING THE SPIKE NOW THAT THESE TRENDS, SPIKE NOW THAT THESE TRENDS, NATIONAL DRUG CARTELS HAS NATIONAL DRUG CARTELS HAS LITERALLY TAKEN OVER THESE LITERALLY TAKEN OVER THESE COLLAPSED STATES.

COLLAPSED STATES.

OR ELSE IF THE QUESTION WAS, OR ELSE IF THE QUESTION WAS, OBAMA IS DRAWING THESE PEOPLE OBAMA IS DRAWING THESE PEOPLE WHEN THEY WOULD HAVE COME THAT WHEN THEY WOULD HAVE COME THAT THE HEIGHT OF THE DREAM.

THE HEIGHT OF THE DREAM.

WE KEPT TALKING ABOUT -- TRYING WE KEPT TALKING ABOUT -- TRYING TO GET THEM TO PASS THE DREAM TO GET THEM TO PASS THE DREAM ACT.

ACT.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE -- IF YOU LOOK AT THE -- >> ISN'T THERE A GENERAL MESSAGE >> ISN'T THERE A GENERAL MESSAGE -- -- >> THEN YOU'VE GOT TO LOOK AT >> THEN YOU'VE GOT TO LOOK AT WHAT THEY SAY IS CAUSING IT.

WHAT THEY SAY IS CAUSING IT.

NOT AT REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRATIC NOT AT REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRATIC -- -- >> ISN'T THE GENERAL VIEW AND >> ISN'T THE GENERAL VIEW AND WHETHER THIS IS A FUNCTION OF WHETHER THIS IS A FUNCTION OF U.S. MESSAGING OR NOT OR THEIR U.S. MESSAGING OR NOT OR THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT MESSAGING ISN'T OWN GOVERNMENT MESSAGING ISN'T THE GENERAL VIEW, WHY ELSE WOULD THE GENERAL VIEW, WHY ELSE WOULD A MOTHER TAKE A 6-YEAR-OLD WITH A MOTHER TAKE A 6-YEAR-OLD WITH HER OR SEND A 9-YEAR-OLD BY HER OR SEND A 9-YEAR-OLD BY HERSELF AND WHAT WE'RE REALLY HERSELF AND WHAT WE'RE REALLY SEEING HERE, BY THE WAY, THERE SEEING HERE, BY THE WAY, THERE ARE PLENTY OF TEEN BOYS WHO WILL ARE PLENTY OF TEEN BOYS WHO WILL ALWAYS CROSS ILLEGALLY IN TO THE ALWAYS CROSS ILLEGALLY IN TO THE UNITED STATES.

UNITED STATES.

WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS MOTHERS WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS MOTHERS WITH YOUNG CHILDREN AND TEENS -- WITH YOUNG CHILDREN AND TEENS -- SURGES OF TEEN GIRLS WHO ARE SURGES OF TEEN GIRLS WHO ARE OBVIOUS LOO MORE LIKELY TO GET OBVIOUS LOO MORE LIKELY TO GET RAPED, GET SEX TRAFFICKED.

RAPED, GET SEX TRAFFICKED.

THAN THE BOYS ARE.

THAN THE BOYS ARE.

>> WHAT WE'RE SEEING ARE >> WHAT WE'RE SEEING ARE SMUGGLERS WHO -- SOME OF THE SMUGGLERS WHO -- SOME OF THE RUMORS THAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED RUMORS THAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED THEY ARE SAYING IF YOU GET THEY ARE SAYING IF YOU GET THERE, YOU'RE HOME FREE.

THERE, YOU'RE HOME FREE.

>> AND THE WALL CENTER JOURNAL >> AND THE WALL CENTER JOURNAL HAD AN ARTICLE THAT 646% OF THEM HAD AN ARTICLE THAT 646% OF THEM END I AM STAYING HERE EVEN WHEN END I AM STAYING HERE EVEN WHEN THEY ARE PROCESSED.

THEY ARE PROCESSED.

>> AS THE PRESIDENT -- NOTES >> AS THE PRESIDENT -- NOTES THAT ASKS FOR WE DON'T KNOW THAT THAT ASKS FOR WE DON'T KNOW THAT THIS MEANS, FLEXIBILITY.

THIS MEANS, FLEXIBILITY.

BECAUSE HE RECOGNIZES THAT ONCE BECAUSE HE RECOGNIZES THAT ONCE YOU GET HERE IT'S VERY HARD -- YOU GET HERE IT'S VERY HARD -- THESE CHILDREN ARE COMING AND I THESE CHILDREN ARE COMING AND I MUST SAY WE HAVE A LARGE NUMBER MUST SAY WE HAVE A LARGE NUMBER OF THEM IN DISTRICT.

OF THEM IN DISTRICT.

AND IN THIS REGION BECAUSE THIS AND IN THIS REGION BECAUSE THIS REGION HAS A PREDOMINANT OF REGION HAS A PREDOMINANT OF SALVADORIANS, GUATEMALANS THEY SALVADORIANS, GUATEMALANS THEY HAVE RELATIVES HERE.

HAVE RELATIVES HERE.

IF WE HAD DONE IMMIGRATION IF WE HAD DONE IMMIGRATION REFORM WE WOULD NOT BE HAVING REFORM WE WOULD NOT BE HAVING THIS CRISIS.

THIS CRISIS.

>> SECRETARY OF STATE JAY >> SECRETARY OF STATE JAY JOHNSON -- NOT SECRETARY OF JOHNSON -- NOT SECRETARY OF STATE.

STATE.

HOMELAND SECURITY, JAY JOHNSON, HOMELAND SECURITY, JAY JOHNSON, ACTUALLY TESTIFIED BEFORE ACTUALLY TESTIFIED BEFORE CONGRESS THAT A POINT THAT YOU CONGRESS THAT A POINT THAT YOU MADE BEFORE, SMUGGLERS ARE MADE BEFORE, SMUGGLERS ARE TELLING THESE PARENTS IF YOU GET TELLING THESE PARENTS IF YOU GET HERE BY THE END OF THE SUMMER, HERE BY THE END OF THE SUMMER, GET HERE RIGHT NOW WILL BE GET HERE RIGHT NOW WILL BE CURVED UNDER AMNESTY THAT IS CURVED UNDER AMNESTY THAT IS PART OF THE REASON WHY OBAMA PART OF THE REASON WHY OBAMA REQUESTS $3.7 MILLION.

REQUESTS $3.7 MILLION.

MAKING IT VERY CLEAR THAT IS NOT MAKING IT VERY CLEAR THAT IS NOT TRUE AND THAT YOU CAN'T COME TRUE AND THAT YOU CAN'T COME HERE BECAUSE OF THOSE PROGRAMS.

HERE BECAUSE OF THOSE PROGRAMS.

HOWEVER, IF PEOPLE DID NOT THINK HOWEVER, IF PEOPLE DID NOT THINK THAT THAT WAS TRUEF THOSE THAT THAT WAS TRUEF THOSE PROGRAMS HAD NOT -- THEN OBAMA PROGRAMS HAD NOT -- THEN OBAMA WOULD NOT HAVE TO SPEND $5 WOULD NOT HAVE TO SPEND $5 MILLION TO DEBUNK THOSE MYTHS.

MILLION TO DEBUNK THOSE MYTHS.

>> WHAT ABOUT THE 3.7 MILLION, I >> WHAT ABOUT THE 3.7 MILLION, I JUST SAY -- BILLION, RATHER.

JUST SAY -- BILLION, RATHER.

WHAT WE TALKED 'BIT THIS COUPLE WHAT WE TALKED 'BIT THIS COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO ON THE SHOW AS OF WEEKS AGO ON THE SHOW AS WELL.

WELL.

WHEN IT WAS $1 BILLION OR $2 WHEN IT WAS $1 BILLION OR $2 BILLION, IT KEEPS GETTING BILLION, IT KEEPS GETTING BIGGER.

BIGGER.

WHY IS IT THAT CONGRESS CAN WHY IS IT THAT CONGRESS CAN COMING UP WITH THIS MONEY NOW COMING UP WITH THIS MONEY NOW WHEN IT COULDN'T HAVE A MONTH OR WHEN IT COULDN'T HAVE A MONTH OR TWO AGO.

TWO AGO.

I MEAN IT'S BORROWED MONEY, I MEAN IT'S BORROWED MONEY, RIGHT?

RIGHT?

BUT SECONDLY WHY IS IT THAT -- BUT SECONDLY WHY IS IT THAT -- AND HOW DO THE PEOPLE HERE AND HOW DO THE PEOPLE HERE INCLUDING THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS INCLUDING THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS WHO ARE HERE WHO DON'T HAVE WHO ARE HERE WHO DON'T HAVE HOUSING, WHO DON'T HAVE FOOD, HOUSING, WHO DON'T HAVE FOOD, WHO DON'T HAVE JOBS, FEEL ABOUT WHO DON'T HAVE JOBS, FEEL ABOUT THAT MONEY GOING TO HELP MORE THAT MONEY GOING TO HELP MORE PEOPLE WHO ARE ILLEGAL LOO PEOPLE WHO ARE ILLEGAL LOO ENTERING AND GAMING THE SYSTEM.

ENTERING AND GAMING THE SYSTEM.

>> YOU REALLY CALL THE AMERICAN >> YOU REALLY CALL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, IF YOU ARE SAYING THAT PEOPLE, IF YOU ARE SAYING THAT PEOPLE, EVEN POOREST PEOPLE, FOR PEOPLE, EVEN POOREST PEOPLE, FOR EXAMPLE, IN MY OWN DISTRICT EXAMPLE, IN MY OWN DISTRICT WOULD SAY, LOOK, GOVERNMENT WOULD SAY, LOOK, GOVERNMENT DIDN'T GIVE ME ANYTHING.

WHO DIDN'T GIVE ME ANYTHING.

WHO CARES WHAT HAPPENS TO THESE CARES WHAT HAPPENS TO THESE PEOPLE.

PEOPLE.

THE AMERICAN SPIRIT IF YOU SEE THE AMERICAN SPIRIT IF YOU SEE THIS KIND OF CRISIS, DO THIS KIND OF CRISIS, DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.

SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.

I HAVEN'T -- I HAVEN'T -- >> ELEANOR, I HAVE BEEN WATCHING >> ELEANOR, I HAVE BEEN WATCHING -- -- >> I SEE THE BACKLASH IS NOT >> I SEE THE BACKLASH IS NOT PEOPLE WHO ALSO NEED MONEY.

PEOPLE WHO ALSO NEED MONEY.

I SEE THIS BACKLASH FROM THE FAR I SEE THIS BACKLASH FROM THE FAR RIGHT.

RIGHT.

>> AND I HAVE TO SAY THIS, THIS >> AND I HAVE TO SAY THIS, THIS IS THE U.N. HAS SAID IT THAT IS THE U.N. HAS SAID IT THAT THIS COUNTRIES ARE IN WAR-LIKE THIS COUNTRIES ARE IN WAR-LIKE SITUATIONS.

SITUATIONS.

THE SURGES IS COMING FROM EL THE SURGES IS COMING FROM EL SALVADOR, HONDURAS, GUATEMALA.

SALVADOR, HONDURAS, GUATEMALA.

THEIR REFUGEE SITUATION IS -- THEIR REFUGEE SITUATION IS -- >> VERY QUICK LAST WORD.

>> VERY QUICK LAST WORD.

>> THE ANYBODY'S AT THE U.S. >> THE ANYBODY'S AT THE U.S. PATROLLED BORDER I CAN SEE PATROLLED BORDER I CAN SEE INCLINE FROM 2011 AND NUMBER OF INCLINE FROM 2011 AND NUMBER OF UNDOCUMENTED, UNACCOMPANIED UNDOCUMENTED, UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN COMING TO THIS COUNTRY CHILDREN COMING TO THIS COUNTRY IT'S NOT A COINCIDENCE.

IT'S NOT A COINCIDENCE.

IT'S ACTUALLY DRIVEN BY THE IT'S ACTUALLY DRIVEN BY THE PRESIDENT'S POLICIES.

PRESIDENT'S POLICIES.

BACKLASH THAT WE'RE SEEING BACKLASH THAT WE'RE SEEING RESULT OF RESENTMENT AMONG RESULT OF RESENTMENT AMONG AMERICANS THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE AMERICANS THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE NOT BEING TAKEN CARE OF.

NOT BEING TAKEN CARE OF.

NOT SEGMENTED TO ONE PART OF THE NOT SEGMENTED TO ONE PART OF THE PARTY OR ONE -- PARTY OR ONE -- >> YOU ARE SEEING THESE SAME >> YOU ARE SEEING THESE SAME INCREASES IN ALL THE BORDERING INCREASES IN ALL THE BORDERING COUNTRIES.

COUNTRIES.

THERE HAS BEEN 700% INCREASE IN THERE HAS BEEN 700% INCREASE IN NICARAGUA.

NICARAGUA.

>> HOW DO YOU CARE FOR THAT?

>> HOW DO YOU CARE FOR THAT?

>> I DO HAVE A RESPONSE TO THAT.

>> I DO HAVE A RESPONSE TO THAT.

A LOT OF THE REASON, THIS WAS AT A LOT OF THE REASON, THIS WAS AT THE SAME TESTIMONY I REFERENCED THE SAME TESTIMONY I REFERENCED BEFORES BECAUSE THEY TRY TO COME BEFORES BECAUSE THEY TRY TO COME TO THE U.S.

BUT THE JOURNEY IS TO THE U.S.

BUT THE JOURNEY IS TOO TOUGH AND TOO LONG THEY END TOO TOUGH AND TOO LONG THEY END UP STAYING IN THOSE COUNTRIES.

UP STAYING IN THOSE COUNTRIES.

THAT WAS ACTUALLY -- THAT WAS ACTUALLY -- >> GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS -- >> GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS -- >> THEY MAY WANT TO HEAD TO >> THEY MAY WANT TO HEAD TO PANAMA WHERE I WAS LATE LAST PANAMA WHERE I WAS LATE LAST YEAR BECAUSE THE UNEMPLOYMENT YEAR BECAUSE THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE THERE IS 2% BECAUSE OF -- RATE THERE IS 2% BECAUSE OF -- >> OR SOMEBODY GIVE A REASON >> OR SOMEBODY GIVE A REASON THAT YOU CANNOT DOCUMENT.

THAT YOU CANNOT DOCUMENT.

IF YOU ARE FLEEING, YOU GET SAFE IF YOU ARE FLEEING, YOU GET SAFE HARBOR, YOU ARE SO GLAD TO BE HARBOR, YOU ARE SO GLAD TO BE THERE.

THERE.

>> I'M NOT THE ONE WHO IS -- >> I'M NOT THE ONE WHO IS -- >> WAIT.

>> WAIT.

>> NOBODY CAN -- NO CAN HEAR >> NOBODY CAN -- NO CAN HEAR WHEN YOU'RE BOTH TALKING.

WHEN YOU'RE BOTH TALKING.

>> LAST WORD.

>> LAST WORD.

>> GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS ACTUALLY >> GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS ACTUALLY SAID THAT DURING TESTIMONY SAID THAT DURING TESTIMONY BEFORE THE SENATE APPROPRIATIONS BEFORE THE SENATE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE THAT IS WHERE I GOT COMMITTEE THAT IS WHERE I GOT THAT INFORMATION FROM.

THAT INFORMATION FROM.

>> ALL RIGHT.

>> ALL RIGHT.

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LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK.

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FROM IMMIGRATION TO GAY RIGHTS.

FROM IMMIGRATION TO GAY RIGHTS.

IS DISCRIMINATION BASED ON IS DISCRIMINATION BASED ON SEXUAL ORIENTATION THE SAME AS SEXUAL ORIENTATION THE SAME AS DISCRIMINATION BASED ON GENDER?

DISCRIMINATION BASED ON GENDER?

A CATHOLIC SCHOOL MUSIC TEACHER A CATHOLIC SCHOOL MUSIC TEACHER IN GEORGIA SAYS YES.

IN GEORGIA SAYS YES.

FLINT DOLLAR WAS FIRED AFTER FLINT DOLLAR WAS FIRED AFTER ANNOUNCING HIS PLANS TO MARRY ANNOUNCING HIS PLANS TO MARRY ANOTHER MAN.

ANOTHER MAN.

THE SCHOOL ARGUES SAME-SEX THE SCHOOL ARGUES SAME-SEX MARRIAGE GOES AGAINST CHURCH MARRIAGE GOES AGAINST CHURCH DOCTRINE.

DOCTRINE.

THERE IS NO FEDERAL OR GEORGIA THERE IS NO FEDERAL OR GEORGIA STATE LAW THAT BARS AN EMPLOYER STATE LAW THAT BARS AN EMPLOYER FROM HIRING OR FIRING A PERSON FROM HIRING OR FIRING A PERSON BASED ON THEIR SEXUAL BASED ON THEIR SEXUAL PREFERENCE.

PREFERENCE.

BUT DOLLAR'S LAWYER ARGUES BUT DOLLAR'S LAWYER ARGUES GETTING FIRED FOR NOT CONFORMING GETTING FIRED FOR NOT CONFORMING TO TRADITIONAL GENDER TO TRADITIONAL GENDER STEREOTYPES VIOLATES TITLE VII STEREOTYPES VIOLATES TITLE VII OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT.

OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT.

TITLE VII BARS DISCRIMINATION ON TITLE VII BARS DISCRIMINATION ON THE BASIS OF SEX.

THE BASIS OF SEX.

THE POINT'S BEEN ARGUED BEFORE THE POINT'S BEEN ARGUED BEFORE AND MOSTLY DISMISSED, EXCEPT FOR AND MOSTLY DISMISSED, EXCEPT FOR A CASE THIS PAST APRIL THAT A CASE THIS PAST APRIL THAT RAISED THE HOPES OF GAY RIGHTS RAISED THE HOPES OF GAY RIGHTS ADVOCATES.

ADVOCATES.

A JUDGE IN WASHINGTON DC ALLOWED A JUDGE IN WASHINGTON DC ALLOWED AN EMPLOYEE FROM THE LIBRARY OF AN EMPLOYEE FROM THE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS TO SUE HIS SUPERVISOR CONGRESS TO SUE HIS SUPERVISOR FOR PENALIZING HIM FOR BEING FOR PENALIZING HIM FOR BEING GAY.

GAY.

HE ARGUED THAT FEMALE HE ARGUED THAT FEMALE CO-WORKERS, ALSO SHARING AN CO-WORKERS, ALSO SHARING AN INTEREST IN MEN, WERE NOT INTEREST IN MEN, WERE NOT SUBJECT TO THE SAME HARASSMENT.

SUBJECT TO THE SAME HARASSMENT.

THE EQUAL EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY THE EQUAL EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY COMMISSION, WITH WHOM DOLLAR HAS COMMISSION, WITH WHOM DOLLAR HAS FILED A COMPLAINT, ALSO SAYS FILED A COMPLAINT, ALSO SAYS GENDER STEREOTYPING IS A FORM OF GENDER STEREOTYPING IS A FORM OF DISCRIMINATION BASED ON SEX.

DISCRIMINATION BASED ON SEX.

IS THAT RIGHT, CONGRESSWOMAN IS THAT RIGHT, CONGRESSWOMAN NORTON AND FORMER EEOC MEMBER NORTON AND FORMER EEOC MEMBER HOLMES-NORTON?

HOLMES-NORTON?

>> I WAS SURPRISED AND PLEASED >> I WAS SURPRISED AND PLEASED THAT A JUDGE HERE IN THE THAT A JUDGE HERE IN THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA INTERPRETED DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA INTERPRETED THE WORD SEX AS IT IS WRITTEN IN THE WORD SEX AS IT IS WRITTEN IN THE STATUTE.

THE STATUTE.

ON THE OTHER SIDE, IT IS CLEARLY ON THE OTHER SIDE, IT IS CLEARLY THE CASE WHEN STATUTE WAS PASSED THE CASE WHEN STATUTE WAS PASSED IF YOU LOOK AT THE HEARING, IF YOU LOOK AT THE HEARING, NOBODY EVER MENTIONED SEXUAL NOBODY EVER MENTIONED SEXUAL ORIENTATION.

ORIENTATION.

LET ME CAUTION YOU ABOUT THIS.

LET ME CAUTION YOU ABOUT THIS.

WHEN A COURT INTERPRETS THE WHEN A COURT INTERPRETS THE STATUTE THEY HAVE TO INTERPRET STATUTE THEY HAVE TO INTERPRET THE WORDS.

THE WORDS.

IN BE TORE FRETTING THE WORDS IN BE TORE FRETTING THE WORDS SEEMS TO ME THAT THAT JUDGE IS SEEMS TO ME THAT THAT JUDGE IS ON -- ON -- >> I ACTUALLY THINK THAT WE CAN >> I ACTUALLY THINK THAT WE CAN FIND MORE COMMON GROUND.

FIND MORE COMMON GROUND.

I WOULD SAY THAT I THINK IT'S I WOULD SAY THAT I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY KIND OF DANGEROUS, ACTUALLY KIND OF DANGEROUS, THOUGH, TO CONFLATE THE TWO THOUGH, TO CONFLATE THE TWO THINGSW SEX AND TO SAY GENDER THINGSW SEX AND TO SAY GENDER DISCRIMINATION IS THE SAME EXACT DISCRIMINATION IS THE SAME EXACT THING.

THING.

SUPREME COURT RULING, MY SUPREME COURT RULING, MY INTERPRETATION, WOULD SAY THAT INTERPRETATION, WOULD SAY THAT RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS CAN SAY RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS CAN SAY THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO HIRE YOU THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO HIRE YOU BASED ON YOUR -- SEXUAL BASED ON YOUR -- SEXUAL ORIENTATION BUT CAN'T DO THAT ORIENTATION BUT CAN'T DO THAT BASED ON YOUR RACE OR YOUR SEX.

BASED ON YOUR RACE OR YOUR SEX.

SO THAT COMPLETING THE TWO MIGHT SO THAT COMPLETING THE TWO MIGHT ACTUALLY BE A PROBLEM HERE.

ACTUALLY BE A PROBLEM HERE.

>> A PROBLEM FOR WHOM?

>> A PROBLEM FOR WHOM?

>> A PROBLEM FOR THE CHURCHES, >> A PROBLEM FOR THE CHURCHES, FIRST OF ALL.

FIRST OF ALL.

I CERTAINLY THINK A PROBLEM FOR I CERTAINLY THINK A PROBLEM FOR -- -- >> IN TERMS THEY HIRE AND FIRE.

>> IN TERMS THEY HIRE AND FIRE.

>> BUT ALSO I THINK THIS ENDS >> BUT ALSO I THINK THIS ENDS UP -- LET'S ALSO SAY FOR THE UP -- LET'S ALSO SAY FOR THE PEOPLE WHO WANT CHURCHES NOT TO PEOPLE WHO WANT CHURCHES NOT TO BE ABLE TO DISCRIMINATE BASED ON BE ABLE TO DISCRIMINATE BASED ON SEXUAL ORIENTATION, LET'S SAY SEXUAL ORIENTATION, LET'S SAY THIS GOES TO COURT IT GOES THE THIS GOES TO COURT IT GOES THE WRONG WAY.

WRONG WAY.

THAT NOT WHAT IT WAS MEANT TO OR THAT NOT WHAT IT WAS MEANT TO OR BE, IT COULD BE DANGEROUS FOR BE, IT COULD BE DANGEROUS FOR BOTH PARTIES TO GO AT IT FROM BOTH PARTIES TO GO AT IT FROM THAT DIRECTION.

THAT DIRECTION.

>> I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE >> I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS COUNTRY TREATINGS WALL THIS COUNTRY TREATINGS WALL ORIENTATION THE WAY WE TREAT ORIENTATION THE WAY WE TREAT RACE.

RACE.

OBVIOUSLY THAT IS LEGAL SCHEME OBVIOUSLY THAT IS LEGAL SCHEME THAT WILL GET YOU THERE.

THAT WILL GET YOU THERE.

I AGREE, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE ON I AGREE, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE ON SOLID GROUND.

SOLID GROUND.

THERE IS FEDERAL LEGISLATION IN THERE IS FEDERAL LEGISLATION IN CONGRESS DEALING WITH ISSUES OF CONGRESS DEALING WITH ISSUES OF SEXUAL ORIENTATION AND SEXUAL ORIENTATION AND DISCRIMINATION, FORTUNATELY DISCRIMINATION, FORTUNATELY TURNING THE WRONG DIRECTION TURNING THE WRONG DIRECTION BECAUSE THEY WANT TO -- WITH THE BECAUSE THEY WANT TO -- WITH THE HOLY BODY CASE, AM I GETTING THE HOLY BODY CASE, AM I GETTING THE RIGHT -- RIGHT -- >> HOBBY LOBBY CASE, NOW THESE >> HOBBY LOBBY CASE, NOW THESE CORPORATIONS HAVE CERTAIN RIGHTS CORPORATIONS HAVE CERTAIN RIGHTS AND RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS COULD AND RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS COULD CLAIM THE SAME.

CLAIM THE SAME.

BUT AGAIN, I THINK IT'S GOING IN BUT AGAIN, I THINK IT'S GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

>> RELEDGE US INSTITUTIONS HAVE >> RELEDGE US INSTITUTIONS HAVE HAD AN EX OPENS UNDER THE CIVIL HAD AN EX OPENS UNDER THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT.

RIGHTS ACT.

OF COURSE NO ONE SHOULD BE OF COURSE NO ONE SHOULD BE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST.

DISCRIMINATED AGAINST.

THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE.

THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE.

RELIGIOSE FREEDOM AND RELIGIOSE FREEDOM AND ORGANIZATIONS TO BE ABLE TO ORGANIZATIONS TO BE ABLE TO ADVANCE THEIR OWN MIX SHOULD ADVANCE THEIR OWN MIX SHOULD HAVE PROBABLY EXPECTATION OF THE HAVE PROBABLY EXPECTATION OF THE FREEDOM TO BE ABLE TOO DO WHAT FREEDOM TO BE ABLE TOO DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO.

THEY NEED TO DO.

THAT ARE WHATEVER THAT LOOKS THAT ARE WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE, IN TERMS OF -- LIKE, IN TERMS OF -- SPECIFICALLY LOOKING CASE BY SPECIFICALLY LOOKING CASE BY CASE AT THIS CASE WE'RE TALKING CASE AT THIS CASE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMEONE WHO WAS A TEACHER, ABOUT SOMEONE WHO WAS A TEACHER, WHO OPENLY THEN SHARED A VALUE WHO OPENLY THEN SHARED A VALUE THAT WAS IN CONFLICT WITH THE THAT WAS IN CONFLICT WITH THE MISSION AND VALUE OF WHAT THE MISSION AND VALUE OF WHAT THE SCHOOL IS TRYING TO DO.

SCHOOL IS TRYING TO DO.

RELIGIOUS -- RELIGIOUS -- >> HE WASN'T TEACHING IT.

>> HE WASN'T TEACHING IT.

>> BUT BY BEING IN POSITION OF >> BUT BY BEING IN POSITION OF LEADERSHIP DEMONSTRATING A SERB LEADERSHIP DEMONSTRATING A SERB LIFESTYLE TO THE STUDENT THAT LIFESTYLE TO THE STUDENT THAT THE SCHOOL IS -- THE SCHOOL IS -- >> THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE >> THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE FRYING TO ELIMINATE.

FRYING TO ELIMINATE.

LIKE RACE DISCRIMINATION.

LIKE RACE DISCRIMINATION.

YOU CAN NEVER JUSTIFY RACE YOU CAN NEVER JUSTIFY RACE DISCRIMINATION IN THIS COUNTRY.

DISCRIMINATION IN THIS COUNTRY.

WE WANT TO GET IN THE SAME PLACE WE WANT TO GET IN THE SAME PLACE IN TERMS OF SEXUAL ORIENTATION.

IN TERMS OF SEXUAL ORIENTATION.

>> BUT SEXUAL ORIENTATION -- >> BUT SEXUAL ORIENTATION -- >> BECAUSE DOCTRINE OF THE >> BECAUSE DOCTRINE OF THE CHURCH SAYS THAT HOMOSEXUALITY CHURCH SAYS THAT HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN.

IS A SIN.

AND THERE'S A VERY -- AND THERE'S A VERY -- >> SOMETHING YOU HAVE NO >> SOMETHING YOU HAVE NO CONTROL.

CONTROL.

>> THIS IS A DIFFICULT CASE >> THIS IS A DIFFICULT CASE BECAUSE TEACHING IN A CATHOLIC BECAUSE TEACHING IN A CATHOLIC INSTITUTION.

INSTITUTION.

IT'S HIS PRIVATE LIFE IF YOU IT'S HIS PRIVATE LIFE IF YOU LOOK AT LAW GENERALLY THAT CAN'T LOOK AT LAW GENERALLY THAT CAN'T COME IN TO THE WORKPLACE.

COME IN TO THE WORKPLACE.

BUT THIS IS WHY THIS IS SUCH A BUT THIS IS WHY THIS IS SUCH A DIFFICULT ISSUE IF CATHOLIC DIFFICULT ISSUE IF CATHOLIC DOCTRINE, IF HE IS TEACHING DOCTRINE, IF HE IS TEACHING CATHOLIC DOCTRINE, IT SAYS YOU CATHOLIC DOCTRINE, IT SAYS YOU HAVE TO LIVE THAT DOCTRINE, HE HAVE TO LIVE THAT DOCTRINE, HE COULD ARGUE THAT HE IS NOT COULD ARGUE THAT HE IS NOT LIVING -- BY THE WAY HE'S LIVING -- BY THE WAY HE'S PROBABLY CATHOLIC.

PROBABLY CATHOLIC.

ONCE YOU GET INFO RELIGION AND ONCE YOU GET INFO RELIGION AND SEXUAL ORIENTATION YOU ARE IN TO SEXUAL ORIENTATION YOU ARE IN TO NEW TERRITORY, THAT'S THE REASON NEW TERRITORY, THAT'S THE REASON THE PRESIDENT HAS HAD TO -- THE PRESIDENT HAS HAD TO -- ALMOST SURELY GOING TO WITHDRAW ALMOST SURELY GOING TO WITHDRAW HIS EXECUTIVE ORDER BECAUSE THE HIS EXECUTIVE ORDER BECAUSE THE COURTS ARE SO UNCLEAR NOW.

COURTS ARE SO UNCLEAR NOW.

THIS IS ONE OF THE AREAS, I THIS IS ONE OF THE AREAS, I AGREE WITH YOU, MOST OF THE AGREE WITH YOU, MOST OF THE TIME, RACE AND SEXUAL TIME, RACE AND SEXUAL ORIENTATION THERE'S NO ORIENTATION THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE.

DIFFERENCE.

HERE I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH OF A HERE I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH OF A DIFFERENCE SO THAT THE LAW HAS DIFFERENCE SO THAT THE LAW HAS TO BE PEELED OUT AND HAVE TO TO BE PEELED OUT AND HAVE TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

>> BUT ESSENTIALLY WHAT IS GOING >> BUT ESSENTIALLY WHAT IS GOING ON HERE AND I SUPPORT GAY ON HERE AND I SUPPORT GAY MARRIAGE, I SUPPORT GAY RIGHTS, MARRIAGE, I SUPPORT GAY RIGHTS, I DON'T THINK -- I'M IN MY OWN I DON'T THINK -- I'M IN MY OWN NEVER-NEVERLAND ON A LOT OF NEVER-NEVERLAND ON A LOT OF ISSUES, ONE OF THEM IS GAY ISSUES, ONE OF THEM IS GAY PEOPLE, THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE PEOPLE, THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GAY AND STRAIGHT PEOPLE BETWEEN GAY AND STRAIGHT PEOPLE IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, WHY DON'T YOU FOCUS ON SOMETHING WHY DON'T YOU FOCUS ON SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IN THE THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IN THE WORLD.

WORLD.

BUT HAVING SAID THAT, IT'S BUT HAVING SAID THAT, IT'S PRETTY CLEAR TO ME THAT THE GAY PRETTY CLEAR TO ME THAT THE GAY RIGHTS LOBBY HAVING LOST IN RIGHTS LOBBY HAVING LOST IN CONGRESS IS TRYING TO USE A LAW CONGRESS IS TRYING TO USE A LAW THAT YOU YOURSELF SAID WAS THAT YOU YOURSELF SAID WAS PASSED TO HELP WOMEN.

PASSED TO HELP WOMEN.

QUITE FRANKLY AT THIS POINT IN QUITE FRANKLY AT THIS POINT IN TIME I WOULD SAY THAT LGBTQ TIME I WOULD SAY THAT LGBTQ COMMUNITY HAS MADE MUCH GREATER COMMUNITY HAS MADE MUCH GREATER PROGRESS TOWARDS CIVIL RIGHTS PROGRESS TOWARDS CIVIL RIGHTS THAN WOMEN HAVE IN THIS COUNTRY.

THAN WOMEN HAVE IN THIS COUNTRY.

IT'S STILL OKAY TO DISCRIMINATE IT'S STILL OKAY TO DISCRIMINATE AGAINST WOMEN.

AGAINST WOMEN.

IN MANY CIRCLES IN THIS COUNTRY, IN MANY CIRCLES IN THIS COUNTRY, STILL OKAY TO -- STILL OKAY TO -- >> AGAINST THE LGBQ COMMUNITY.

>> AGAINST THE LGBQ COMMUNITY.

>> NOT AS MUCH.

>> NOT AS MUCH.

YOU GET CALLED ON THE CARPET -- YOU GET CALLED ON THE CARPET -- >> WOMEN ARE COVERED UNDER TITLE >> WOMEN ARE COVERED UNDER TITLE VII.

VII.

THEY'RE NOT.

THEY'RE NOT.

>> I'M TALKING CULTURALLY.

>> I'M TALKING CULTURALLY.

MORE AMERICANS, MAJORITY OF MORE AMERICANS, MAJORITY OF AMERICANS ARE IN FAVOR OF EQUAL AMERICANS ARE IN FAVOR OF EQUAL TREATMENT AND GAY MARRIAGE.

TREATMENT AND GAY MARRIAGE.

>> AND WOMEN, TOO.

>> AND WOMEN, TOO.

EVEN MORE SO.

EVEN MORE SO.

>> BUT IT HAS NOT PLAYED OUT.

>> BUT IT HAS NOT PLAYED OUT.

I THINK IT'S STILL OKAY FOR MALE I THINK IT'S STILL OKAY FOR MALE CEOs, MALE MANAGERS TO CEOs, MALE MANAGERS TO DISCRIMINATE AGAINST WOMEN ON DISCRIMINATE AGAINST WOMEN ON THE JOB WHERE IT'S NOT THE JOB WHERE IT'S NOT CULTURALLY, I'M NOT TALKING CULTURALLY, I'M NOT TALKING 'BROUGHT THE LAW RIGHT NOW I'M 'BROUGHT THE LAW RIGHT NOW I'M TALKING CULTURALLY.

TALKING CULTURALLY.

AND SO ON SOME LEVEL I FEEL LIKE AND SO ON SOME LEVEL I FEEL LIKE THE LGBQ SHOULD GO OUT DO THE THE LGBQ SHOULD GO OUT DO THE SAME LOBBYING THEY DID ON GAY SAME LOBBYING THEY DID ON GAY MARRIAGE WHERE THEY ARE CLEARLY MARRIAGE WHERE THEY ARE CLEARLY WINNING THAT ISSUE AND HISTORY WINNING THAT ISSUE AND HISTORY IS ON THEIR SIDE.

IS ON THEIR SIDE.

AND IT SHOULD BE.

AND IT SHOULD BE.

BUT THEY SHOULD ALSO GET A BUT THEY SHOULD ALSO GET A FEDERAL LAW PASSED USING THAT FEDERAL LAW PASSED USING THAT SAME MOMENTUM THAT PROTECTS THEM SAME MOMENTUM THAT PROTECTS THEM ON THE JOB.

ON THE JOB.

>> THEY HAVE HAD >> THEY HAVE HAD NONDISCRIMINATION ACT SINCE NONDISCRIMINATION ACT SINCE ALMOST BEGINNING OF TIME AND ALMOST BEGINNING OF TIME AND MAJORITY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE MAJORITY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE I TO ALMOST 90 SAY THAT THERE I TO ALMOST 90 SAY THAT THERE SHOULD BE NO DISCRIMINATION IN SHOULD BE NO DISCRIMINATION IN EMPLOYMENT AGAINST GAY.

EMPLOYMENT AGAINST GAY.

BUT THEY HAVE GOTTEN NO WHERE.

BUT THEY HAVE GOTTEN NO WHERE.

THEY HAVE DONE THE BEST JOB OF THEY HAVE DONE THE BEST JOB OF LOBBYING I HAVE SEEN OF ANY LOBBYING I HAVE SEEN OF ANY GROUP.

GROUP.

WOMEN, BLACKS, HISPANICS, THEY WOMEN, BLACKS, HISPANICS, THEY KNOW HOW TO LOBBY.

KNOW HOW TO LOBBY.

>> WE GOT TO MOVE ON.

>> WE GOT TO MOVE ON.

BEHIND THE HEADLINES: TEACH R BEHIND THE HEADLINES: TEACH R TEACH A TEACH A WOMAN TO FISH, AS OPPOSED TO A WOMAN TO FISH, AS OPPOSED TO A MAN, AND EVERYONE EATS FOR A MAN, AND EVERYONE EATS FOR A LIFETIME.

LIFETIME.

THAT'S THE LESSON RITU SHARMA THAT'S THE LESSON RITU SHARMA IS TEACHING IN HER NEW BOOK.

IS TEACHING IN HER NEW BOOK.

HER GOAL IS TO MOTIVATE PEOPLE HER GOAL IS TO MOTIVATE PEOPLE INTO ACTION TO FIGHT POVERTY INTO ACTION TO FIGHT POVERTY WORLDWIDE.

WORLDWIDE.

>> LOOK HOW FAR WE'VE COME, >> LOOK HOW FAR WE'VE COME, WHERE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ARE NOW WHERE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ARE NOW SPEAKING OUT BECAUSE OF WHAT SPEAKING OUT BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENED TO THE NIGERIAN GIRLS.

HAPPENED TO THE NIGERIAN GIRLS.

IT HAS BEEN A MONUMENTAL SHIFT IT HAS BEEN A MONUMENTAL SHIFT THAT'S OCCURRED.

THAT'S OCCURRED.

AND WHAT WOMEN THRIVE IS TRYING AND WHAT WOMEN THRIVE IS TRYING TO DO NOW IS TO TAKE THAT SHIFT TO DO NOW IS TO TAKE THAT SHIFT IN AWARENESS AND TURN IT INTO A IN AWARENESS AND TURN IT INTO A SHIFT IN ACTION.

SHIFT IN ACTION.

>> IN HER BOOK RITU SHARMA >> IN HER BOOK RITU SHARMA SHARES HOW WOMEN ARE BREAKING SHARES HOW WOMEN ARE BREAKING CYCLES OF POVERTY BY BECOMING CYCLES OF POVERTY BY BECOMING SELF-SUFFICIENT.

SELF-SUFFICIENT.

THE TWO MOST OBVIOUS BARRIERS THE TWO MOST OBVIOUS BARRIERS THAT WOMEN FACE OVERSEAS ARE THAT WOMEN FACE OVERSEAS ARE VIOLENCE AND MONEY.

VIOLENCE AND MONEY.

STUDIES SHOW WOMEN WHO'VE STUDIES SHOW WOMEN WHO'VE EXPERIENCED VIOLENCE ARE ON EXPERIENCED VIOLENCE ARE ON AVERAGE LESS SUCCESSFUL AVERAGE LESS SUCCESSFUL FINANCIALLY THAN THOSE WHO HAVE FINANCIALLY THAN THOSE WHO HAVE NOT.

NOT.

AND THE REVERSE IS ALSO TRUE.

AND THE REVERSE IS ALSO TRUE.

>> WHEN WOMEN HAVE MONEY AND >> WHEN WOMEN HAVE MONEY AND THEY HAVE THEIR OWN RESOURCES, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN RESOURCES, THE RATES OF VIOLENCE AGAINST THE RATES OF VIOLENCE AGAINST THEM GO DOWN.

THEM GO DOWN.

THOSE TWO THINGS ARE TWO SIDES THOSE TWO THINGS ARE TWO SIDES OF THE SAME COIN AND WE NEED TO OF THE SAME COIN AND WE NEED TO ADDRESS THEM TOGETHER.

ADDRESS THEM TOGETHER.

>> IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU >> IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU CAN DO TO HELP IMPOVERISHED CAN DO TO HELP IMPOVERISHED WOMEN OVERSEAS, SHARMA HAS AN WOMEN OVERSEAS, SHARMA HAS AN ANSWER.

ANSWER.

GET INVOLVED POLITICALLY.

GET INVOLVED POLITICALLY.

SHE PRAISES THE U.S. GOVERNMENT SHE PRAISES THE U.S. GOVERNMENT FOR ITS CONTRIBUTIONS IN MAKING FOR ITS CONTRIBUTIONS IN MAKING THIS HAPPEN FOR WOMEN AND GIRLS.

THIS HAPPEN FOR WOMEN AND GIRLS.

>> AMERICANS FEEL THAT OUR >> AMERICANS FEEL THAT OUR GOVERNMENT IS JUST INEFFECTIVE, GOVERNMENT IS JUST INEFFECTIVE, IT CAN'T DO ANYTHING RIGHT, IF IT CAN'T DO ANYTHING RIGHT, IF IT DOES SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA IT DOES SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE THE WRONG THING BUT THE TRUTH BE THE WRONG THING BUT THE TRUTH IS THAT OUR U.S. GOVERNMENT CAN IS THAT OUR U.S. GOVERNMENT CAN AND IS IN A LOT OF CASES DOING AND IS IN A LOT OF CASES DOING THE RIGHT THING AND DOING IT THE RIGHT THING AND DOING IT WELL.

WELL.

BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE HEAR IN BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE HEAR IN THE NEWS.

THE NEWS.

>> SOCIAL MEDIA IS A GREAT WAY >> SOCIAL MEDIA IS A GREAT WAY TO EXPRESS YOUR FEELINGS ABOUT TO EXPRESS YOUR FEELINGS ABOUT HELPING THESE WOMEN, BUT SHARMA HELPING THESE WOMEN, BUT SHARMA SAYS LETTERS TO MEMBERS OF SAYS LETTERS TO MEMBERS OF CONGRESS HELP, TOO.

CONGRESS HELP, TOO.

>> ONE HEARTFELT HANDWRITTEN >> ONE HEARTFELT HANDWRITTEN NOTE FROM AN AMERICAN TO THEIR NOTE FROM AN AMERICAN TO THEIR CONGRESSMEN SAYING 'HEY LOOK I CONGRESSMEN SAYING 'HEY LOOK I CARE ABOUT WOMEN AND GIRLS, I CARE ABOUT WOMEN AND GIRLS, I WOULD REALLY LIKE FOR YOU TO DO WOULD REALLY LIKE FOR YOU TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.'

SOMETHING ABOUT IT.'

THAT WOULD GIVE US THE LIFT THAT THAT WOULD GIVE US THE LIFT THAT WE NEED HERE IN WASHINGTON TO WE NEED HERE IN WASHINGTON TO ACTUALLY GET ACTION FROM ACTUALLY GET ACTION FROM CONGRESS IN THE WHITE HOUSE.

CONGRESS IN THE WHITE HOUSE.

>> SHARMA UNDERSTANDS AMERICANS >> SHARMA UNDERSTANDS AMERICANS FIRST WANT TO SOLVE PROBLEMS AND FIRST WANT TO SOLVE PROBLEMS AND FOCUS INVESTMENTS HERE IN THE FOCUS INVESTMENTS HERE IN THE UNITED STATES.

UNITED STATES.

BUT SHE SAYS WE SPEND A LOT LESS BUT SHE SAYS WE SPEND A LOT LESS ON FOREIGN AID THAN MOST PEOPLE ON FOREIGN AID THAN MOST PEOPLE REALIZE LESS THAN HALF OF 1% OF REALIZE LESS THAN HALF OF 1% OF >> WE COULD PROBABLY AFFORD TO >> WE COULD PROBABLY AFFORD TO SPEND 7/10THS OF ONE PERCENT SPEND 7/10THS OF ONE PERCENT INSTEAD OF HALF OF ONE PERCENT INSTEAD OF HALF OF ONE PERCENT AND EVEN THAT WOULD MAKE A HUGE AND EVEN THAT WOULD MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE.

DIFFERENCE.

>> SHARMA LEARNED WHAT IT WAS >> SHARMA LEARNED WHAT IT WAS LIKE TO LIVE ON ONE DOLLAR A DAY LIKE TO LIVE ON ONE DOLLAR A DAY IN SRI LANKA.

IN SRI LANKA.

SHE POINTS OUT THAT SMALL SHE POINTS OUT THAT SMALL AMOUNTS OF MONEY GO A LONG WAY AMOUNTS OF MONEY GO A LONG WAY IN HELPING WOMEN OVERSEAS.

IN HELPING WOMEN OVERSEAS.

IN FACT, WOMEN THRIVE IS PUSHING IN FACT, WOMEN THRIVE IS PUSHING CONGRESS TO PROVIDE FOREIGN CONGRESS TO PROVIDE FOREIGN ASSISTANCE IN SMALLER AMOUNTS, ASSISTANCE IN SMALLER AMOUNTS, MICRO GRANTS, SHARMA HAS SEEN MICRO GRANTS, SHARMA HAS SEEN THEIR IMPACT FIRSTHAND WITH A THEIR IMPACT FIRSTHAND WITH A SUBSISTENCE FARMER IN BURKINA SUBSISTENCE FARMER IN BURKINA FASO.

FASO.

>> I GOT TOGETHER WITH SOME >> I GOT TOGETHER WITH SOME FRIENDS AND WE RAISED ABOUT FRIENDS AND WE RAISED ABOUT $1,000 AND SENT IT TO HER LOCAL $1,000 AND SENT IT TO HER LOCAL WOMEN'S ASSOCIATION.

WOMEN'S ASSOCIATION.

THEY STARTED A SOAP MAKING THEY STARTED A SOAP MAKING BUSINESS, AND I WENT BACK LAST BUSINESS, AND I WENT BACK LAST YEAR AND SHE HAS JUST YEAR AND SHE HAS JUST TRANSFORMED THE WHOLE LIFE OF TRANSFORMED THE WHOLE LIFE OF THAT VILLAGE WITH $1,000.

THAT VILLAGE WITH $1,000.

>> SHARMA ALSO WANTS TO SEE >> SHARMA ALSO WANTS TO SEE WOMEN TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE BY WOMEN TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE BY BECOMING MORE CONSCIENTIOUS BECOMING MORE CONSCIENTIOUS SHOPPERS AND ASKING STORE SHOPPERS AND ASKING STORE WORKERS ABOUT THEIR EMPLOYERS' WORKERS ABOUT THEIR EMPLOYERS' ETHICAL TRADE POLICIES.

ETHICAL TRADE POLICIES.

>> ONCE THEY START HEARING FROM >> ONCE THEY START HEARING FROM WOMEN ON THEIR STORE FLOORS IT WOMEN ON THEIR STORE FLOORS IT WILL START BUBBLING UP AND WILL START BUBBLING UP AND BUBBLING UP AND BUBBLING UP AND BUBBLING UP AND BUBBLING UP AND PRETTY SOON THOSE CEOS ARE GONNA PRETTY SOON THOSE CEOS ARE GONNA BE SAYING 'OH MY GOD WE BETTER BE SAYING 'OH MY GOD WE BETTER GET AN ETHICAL TRADE POLICY'.

GET AN ETHICAL TRADE POLICY'.

>> DO YOU THINK IT'S POSSIBLE AS >> DO YOU THINK IT'S POSSIBLE AS SHE WOULD LIKE TO DO TO GET SHE WOULD LIKE TO DO TO GET WOMEN MORE CONSCIENCE IN WOMEN MORE CONSCIENCE IN CONSUMER CHOICES TO HELP WOMEN CONSUMER CHOICES TO HELP WOMEN OVERSEAS?

OVERSEAS?

>> IT'S A NICE IDEA.

>> IT'S A NICE IDEA.

BUT UNREALISTICS, ESPECIALLY BUT UNREALISTICS, ESPECIALLY WOMEN WHO ARE SET IN THEIR WAYS.

WOMEN WHO ARE SET IN THEIR WAYS.

AMONG MILLENNIALS THEY ARE AMONG MILLENNIALS THEY ARE COMMITTED TO WHAT THEY'RE COMMITTED TO WHAT THEY'RE BUYING.

BUYING.

I DO LIKE WITH THIS ENTHEY'RE I DO LIKE WITH THIS ENTHEY'RE BOOK THAT IT SHOWS THAT POVERTY BOOK THAT IT SHOWS THAT POVERTY ALLEVIATION AND DEVELOPMENT IS ALLEVIATION AND DEVELOPMENT IS REALLY ABOUT GIVING THE REALLY ABOUT GIVING THE INDIVIDUAL THE RIGHT TO OWN INDIVIDUAL THE RIGHT TO OWN THEIR FUTURE NOT JUST THROWING THEIR FUTURE NOT JUST THROWING GOVERNMENT DOLLARS.

GOVERNMENT DOLLARS.

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