[♪♪♪] THIS WEEK ON TO THE CONTRARY.•• HILLARY CLINTON CHOOSES A RUNNING MATE ON HER WAY TO THE DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION.

DONALD TRUMP WRAPS UP THE REPUBLICAN UNCONVENTIONAL CONVENTION WITH MORE FLUBS THAN ANY CONVENTION IN RECENT MEMORY.

AND, AILES IS OUT AT FOX NEWS FOLLOWING SEXUAL HARASSMENT CHARGES.••DOES THIS SIGNAL GREATER POWER FOR WOMEN IN NATIONAL MEDIA?

[♪♪♪] HELLO, I'M BONNIE ERBE.

WELCOME TO TO THE CONTRARY, A DISCUSSION OF NEWS AND SOCIAL TRENDS FROM DIVERSE PERSPECTIVES.

UP FIRST, PRESIDENTIAL POLITICS.

DEMOCRATS HEAD TO PHILADELPHIA TO RALLY AROUND THEIR PRESUMPTIVE NOMINEE HILLARY CLINTON AND HER RUNNING MATE.

WILL DEMOCRATS UNITE OR BE DIVIDED BY BERNIE SANDERS AND HIS LEFT-WING FOLLOWERS?

MEANWHILE, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE DONALD TRUMP TAKES HIS CAMPAIGN FROM CLEVELAND TO THE NATION.

>> THIS IS THE LEGACY OF HILLARY CLINTON, DEATH, DESTRUCTION, TERRORISM AND WEAKNESS.

[CHEERING] BUT HILLARY CLINTON'S LEGACY IS DOES NOT HAVE TO BE AMERICA'S LEGACY.

THE PROBLEMS WE FACE NOW, POVERTY AND VIOLENCE AT HOME, WAR AND DESTRUCTION ABROAD, WILL LAST ONLY AS LONG AS WE CONTINUE RELYING ON THE SAME POLITICIANS WHO CREATED THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE.

TRUMP ENDED THE GOP UNCONVENTIONAL CONVENTION AFTER A WEEK THAT VETERAN JOURNALISTS ASSESSED AS LARGELY A MESS OR WORSE.

IT STARTED WITH MELANIA TRUMP'S OPENING NIGHT SPEECH CONTAINING LINES PLAGIARIZED FROM MICHELLE OBAMA'S 2008 CONVENTION SPEECH.••.FIRST DENIED AS PLAGIARIZED BY THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN, THEN BLAMED ON AN IN-HOUSE SPEECH WRITER.

ON THE SECOND NIGHT, FORMER REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CONTENDER DR. BEN CARSON CALLED HILLARY CLINTON LUCIFER.

ON THE THIRD, THERE WAS NEAR-CHAOS ON THE FLOOR AS ANOTHER FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CONTENDER, SEN. TED CRUZ, ADDRESSED THE CONVENTION IN PRIME TIME BUT REFUSED TO ENDORSE DONALD TRUMP.

ON THE FINAL NIGHT, THINGS BEGAN TO LOOK MORE LIKE A CONVENTIONAL CONVENTION, WITH IVANKA TRUMP INTRODUCING HER FATHER'S ACCEPTANCE OF THE NOMINATION: SH.

>> DO YOU RECOGNIZE HIS REAL KNOWLEDGE AND SKILL WHEN HE FINDS IT.

HE IS COLOR BLIND AND GENDER NEUTRAL.

AMERICAN FAMILIES NEED RELIEF.

POLICIES THAT ALLOW WOMEN WITH CHILDREN TO THRIVE SHOULD NOT BE NOVELTIES THEY SHOULD BE THE NORM.

POLITICIANS TALK ABOUT WAGE EQUALITY BUT MY FATHER HAS MADE IT A PRACTICE AT HIS COMPANIES THROUGHOUT HIS ENTIRE CAREER.

[CHEERING] HE WILL FIGHT FOR EQUAL PAY FOR EQUAL WORK AND I WILL FIGHT FOR THIS TOO RIGHT ALONGSIDE OF HIM.

>> SO CONGRESSWOMAN NORTON DID THE REPUBLICAN CONVENTION DO ANYTHING TO WHOOO WOMEN VOTERS?

>> WHO IS THE NAME OF THIS SHOW, BONNIE, TO THE CONTRARY?

THEY DOUBLED DOWN ON ISSUES FOR THE WHITE MALE BASE THEY ARE PRESUMED TO HAVE LIKE LAW AND ORDER AND SECURITY.

>> WELL, WE POLITICOS HANG ON TO EVERY MINUTE AND EVERY MAJOR MILESTONE IN THE CONVENTION BUT WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC WALKS AWAY WITH A FEELING AND THE 15 WAS THIS MAN IS PERHAPS CAPABLE OF BEING MORE PRESIDENTIAL, COMING UP WITH SOLUTIONS THAT DO NOT INCLUDE A WALL AND MOST IMPORTANT UNIFYING THE PARTY.

>> WELL, I THINK HE IS NOT DOING A GOOD ENOUGH JOB REACHING OUT TO WOMEN.

I DO THINK HIS DAUGHTERS AND HIS WIFE MELANIA WILL HELP TO SOFTEN HIS IMAGE AMONG SOME WOMEN.

BUT REALLY WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS HIM BRINGING ONBOARD REPUBLICAN WOMEN WHO WERE JUST SLIGHTLY SKEPTICAL TO VOTE FOR HIM ANYWAY.

>> YEAH, I THINK IVANKA WAS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION BUT IT WAS FAR TOO LITTLE FAR TOO LATE AT THIS POINT.

>> DO YOU THINK ANYBODY VOTES FOR A PRESIDENT'S DAUGHTER?

BECAUSE -- IT'S ONE THING MAYBE WAS MAYBE VP'S BUT A DAUGHTER?

>> LOOK MOST VOTERS DO NOT VOTE ON POLICY.

I DO NOT THINK THEY ARE THINKING ABOUT SOMEONE'S HEALTHCARE OR ENERGY POLICY BUT THINKING ABOUT THIS PERSON AND LOOKING FOR QUEUES THAT TELLS THEM THEY ARE LIKE ME, POLITICS IS PERSONAL.

IN THIS CASE PEOPLE WILL LOOK AND SAY WOW SHE SEEMS LIKE A NICE PERSON A LOVELY PERSON.

I HAVE A DAUGHTER OR I HAVE A SON AND IT REMINDS THEM OF THEMSELVES THAT IS WHERE THIS MAY BE HELPFUL TO HIM.

>> THERE WAS A FASCINATING ARTICLE IN THE "NEW YORK TIMES" ABOUT HOW HE IS FINE WITH PROMOTING HIS DAUGHTERS' CAREER BUT HE MARRIED A STAY-AT-HOME MOM.

HE TALKED ABOUT HER CAREER.

AND SAID SHE IS A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS WOMAN, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

BUT HE SEEMS MORE COMFORTABLE WITH WORKING MOTHER WORKING WOMAN IN HIS DAUGHTER THAN IN HIS WIFE.

WHICH IS A VERY RETRO ATTITUDE.

DO YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE?

>> ONE OF THE MORE INTERESTING THINGS THAT WE DO KNOW IS THAT YOU KNOW, OUR LAST THREE PRESIDENTS HAVE ALL HAD DAUGHTERS AND THERE IS RESEARCH THAT SUGGESTS THAT THOSE C.E.O.S WHO HAVE DAUGHTERS IN FACT TREAT WOMEN BETTER IN THE WORKPLACE.

NOW, WHETHER OR NOT THAT APPLIES TO DONALD TRUMP, I THINK IS A HUGE LEAP IN LOGIC AND WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OF THE FACTS BECAUSE WE HAVE HER SIDE OF THE STORY IVANKA TRUMP'S AND MUCH OF THE REPORTING THAT HAS BEEN OUT THERE AND SHOWN TO NECESSARILY GO AGAINST ALL THAT THEY SAY ABOUT HIM.

>> IVANKA TALKED ABOUT HIM HELPING WORKING MOTHERS WITH DAYCARE.

IS THERE ANYTHING IN HIS PLATFORM THAT TALKS ABOUT HELPING WORKING MOTHERS WITH DAYCARE?

AND WHO ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE?

HER OR HIM?

>> YES, IT WAS CONFUSING.

THE MENTIONS OF CHILDCARE AND EQUAL PAY THINGS THAT NEVER CAME OUT IN DONALD TRUMP'S PRIMARY TRAIL EXPERIENCES AND IF YOU GO TO THE WEBSITE YOU CANNOT FIND INFORMATION ON THAT KIND OF THING.

IT'S MORE INTERESTING SHE TALKS ABOUT HIM BEING GENDER NEUTRAL IN HIS HIRING PRACTICES.

AND I WOULD LOVE TO BE A JOURNALIST AND FOLLOW-UP WITH THE QUESTION WHAT ABOUT THESE MA SONGNIST COMMENTING HE HAS MADE OVER THE COURSE OF THE PRIMARY TRAIL ABOUT MEGYAN KELLY AND HIS OPPONENT LITTLE HILL?

WHY, WHY?

ARE THEY SO GENDER BASED?

FORGET THE POLICY FOR A MOMENT THOSE ARE PROGRESSIVE POLICIES.

>> THOSE ARE DEMOCRATIC POLICIES.

AND -- LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING ABOUT IVANKA THAT I HAPPEN TO KNOW.

HIS HOTEL THAT IS BEING BUILT IS THE SO-CALLED TRUMP HOTEL.

>> THE OLD POST OFFICE.

>> SHE IS IN CHARGE AND SHE IS REALLY IN CHARGE.

LET ME TELL YOU WHAT I THINK ABOUT IVANKA.

I THINK SHE INSISTED UPON THINKING WHAT SHE THINKS.

I BELIEVE THIS IS WHAT SHE THINKS.

>> I AGREE.

>> AND I GIVE HIM CREDIT FOR ALLOWING THE ONE GHOST LITTLE THOUGH IT WAS OF AN IMPORTANT PROGRESSIVE WOMAN'S ISSUE TO COME OUT OF HIS DAUGHTER'S MOUTH TRYING NOT TO SENSOR HER.

SHE SHOWED HER INDEPENDENCE.

>> AS A VOTER WHO WOULD YOU KNOW DO MY HOMEWORK, IF I CHECK ON HIS POLICIES, NOTHING LIKE THAT IS THERE.

SO WHAT ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO THINK?

I'M GOING TO VOTE BECAUSE SHE SAID SHE WOULD LIKE TO GET THIS?

>> THAT IS A FLASH IN THE PAN.

IT WILL BE FORGOTTEN.

BUT IT WAS HER SPEAKING OUT AS SHE FELT.

IF IT HAD BEEN ECHOED IN EVEN SMALL WAYS THROUGHOUT THE CONVENTION IT WOULD HAVE DONE HIM MUCH MORE GOOD.

>> THIS IS WHERE THE CAMPAIGN SHOWS THAT IT IS A NOVICE ON THE STAGE.

HAD THEY REALLY WANTED TO DELVE INTO THE ISSUE OF CHILDCARE THEN MAYBE HE WOULD HAVE LOOKED TO THE RECENT REPORT WHERE WE TALK ABOUT WAYS WE CAN REFORM CHILDCARE THAT WOULD GIVE PARENTS MORE CONTROL OVER THEIR DOLLARS AND IT WOULD NOT BE NECESSARILY DAYCARE SUBSIDIES.

THERE IS A LOT WE CAN DO THAT PEOPLE WOULD BE INTERESTED TO HEAR ABOUT.

AND THE QUESTION IS WILL DONALD TRUMP TALK ABOUT IT?

OR WILL HE LEAVE IT?

>> WHAT ABOUT REACHING OUT TO MINORITIES.

THERE WERE 18 AFRICAN-AMERICANS ON THE FLOOR OF DELEGATES OUT OF 2472.

IS THAT GOING TO PULL AFRICAN-AMERICANS IN TO THE REPUBLICAN FOLD?

OR HISPANICS?

OR GOD FORBID MUSLIMS?

>> WHAT WAS VERY SAD IN SO MANY WAYS ABOUT THIS CONVENTION IS THAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS GROWN MORE DIVERSE IN TERMS OF SOME OF ITS ELECTED OFFICIALS OVER THE LAST FOUR TO SIX YEARS.

WHETHER IT'S GOVERNOR NIKI HALEY OR SENATOR TIM SCOTT THERE IS MORE DIVERSITY WITHIN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

AND THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO SHOWCASE IT BECAUSE THOSE ELECTED OFFICIALS REJECT DONALD TRUMP AS THEIR NOMINEE.

SO IN FACT, WHAT IS MORE FASCINATING TO ME IS HE CONTINUES TO PERPETUATE SORT OF THE WORST STEREOTYPES ABOUT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY RATHER THAN THE NEW IMAGE THAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS TRYING TO BECOME.

>> ANOTHER THING THAT IS HAPPENING, GOVERNOR MARTINEZ WHO I WAS DISAPPOINTED IN STOOD AND CALLED FOR TRUMP AND SHOWING SUPPORT AFTER THEY HAD A PUBLIC SPAT.

TO ME WHAT IS HAPPENING IS SOMETHING AGAINST ALL ODDS.

PEOPLE ARE FALLING IN LINE.

LATINOS ARE FALLING IN LINE.

AFRICAN-AMERICANS ARE.

ASIAN AMERICANS FOR WHAT REASON?

GOD ONLY KNOWS.

>> WAIT A MINUTE.

THERE ARE POLLS I HAVE NEVER SEEN A POLL OF AFRICAN-AMERICANS THAT SHOWED ZERO.

>> I'M NOT SAY -- >> THEY ARE NOT IN THE PARTY IN THE FIRST PLACE.

>> THE FEW THAT ARE -- >> AND THAT IS INTERESTING.

AFRICAN-AMERICANS AND YET AFRICAN-AMERICANS ARE MORE DOWN ON HIM THAN LATINOS ARE.

>> SHE MADE A GOOD POINT.

PARTY IS MORE DIVERSE THAN IT WAS IN THE 1980s WHEN, I FORGET HIS NAME THE DIE WHO DIED THE REAGAN CONSULTANT WHO DIED OF A BRAIN TUMOR.

LEE AT DUGOUT WATER WHEN HE CAME UP WITH THE PHRASE THE BIG TENT IS WHEN THE PARTY STARTED TO REVERSE FROM THE SOUTHERN STRATEGY WHERE THEY REALLY ONLY WANTED WHITE VOTERS TO REALIZE HEY THIS COUNTRY IS BROWNING AND WE BETTER START RELATING TO PEOPLE OF COLOR AND THEY HAVE MADE PROGRESS IN THOSE 30 YEARS.

>> AND LOOK AT THE AUTOPSY.

BUT THEN COMES DONALD TRUMP.

AND ERASES THAT AND MAKES IT SO THAT THE MINORITY ELECTED OFFICIALS YOU SPOKE OF DID NOT FEEL THEY COULD COME TO THEIR CONVENTION?

THAT IS AMAZING.

>> AND THE WOMEN.

>> NOT TO GO TO YOUR OWN CONVENTION.

>> HE IS NOT SURE WHAT HAPPENED BETWEEN THE AUTOPSY AND NOW.

I LISTEN TO SALLY ATWATER ON THE FLOOR A DELEGATE FROM SOUTH CAROLINA AND TALKING ABOUT BEING A JEB BUSH SUPPORTERS SHE IS WORRIED ABOUT JOBS IN SOUTH CAROLINA.

YOUNG MEN ARE COMING OUT AND HAVING NO ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.

SHE IS LIKE MANY REPUBLICAN AMERICANS FALLING BEHIND A GUY WHO THEY THINK IS ECONOMICALLY SUCCESSFUL.

>> LET'S TRANSITION OUT BY TALKING ABOUT HIS SPEECH ON THE LAST NIGHT OF THE CONVENTION AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE UPCOMING DEMOCRATS IN PHILADELPHIA.

BUT I GOT THE IMPRESSION IF YOU WERE BEARDED GUY IN A MILITARY SURPLUS OUTFIT HANGING ON TO YOUR RIFLE AND LOOKING OUT OF THE SURVIVALIST IN MONTANA LOOKING OUT THE WINDOW OF YOUR CABIN FOR GOVERNMENT INTRUDERS, THAT IS WHO HE WAS APPEALING TO.

IT WAS AS SO MANY PEOPLE SAID A DARK VISION, MIDNIGHT IN AMERICA AS OPPOSED TO RONALD REAGAN'S MORNING IN AMERICA.

IS THAT THE KIND OF THING THAT IS GOING TO APPEAL TO WOMEN VOTERS?

>> WELL, I DON'T THINK SO.

AND I ALSO THINK IT WAS SORT OF SHOCKING IN A WAY.

I SAT THERE AND WATCHED AND THOUGHT WHERE IS THE HOPE IN THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND THE CONFIDENCE AND THE OPPORTUNITY MITCHELL ABOUT WHAT THE FUTURE -- AND OPTIMISM ABOUT WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS.

PEOPLE WILL CHOOSE LIVES THAT SUIT THEIR NEEDS AND WANTS AND DESIRES AND THAT IS A WONDERFUL THING.

WE DID NOT HEAR THAT LAST -- THIS WEEK.

AND I WORRY THAT THAT IS NOT GOING TO RESONATE WITH WOMEN.

THEY ARE LOOKING FOR SECURITY.

AND A LOT OF RESEARCH WOMEN WANT SECURITY.

BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY WANT NATIVISM.

>> AND YOU THINK IF THERE IS A LOT OF TERRORISM ATTACKS IN THE UNITED STATES PARTICULARLY BETWEEN NOW AND NOVEMBER THAT THAT BENEFITS TRUMP WITH WOMEN VOTERS?

>> HERE IS THE ISSUE.

IS THAT IF YOU LOOK BACK TO 2008 THE REPUBLICANS HAD BEEN IN OFFICE FOR TWO TERMS.

AND THERE WAS A DEEP DESIRE FOR A SENSE OF CHANGE.

MOST OF WHAT WAS PROPELLING THAT WRESTLESSNESS WAS FOREIGN POLICY AND A FEELING THAT THE WAR HAD GONE HORRIBLY WRONG IN IRAQ AND THINGS NEEDED TO CHANGE.

IT WASN'T UNTIL SEPTEMBER WHEN THE BOTTOM FELL OUT OF THE ECONOMY THAT THEN AMERICANS SAID TO THEMSELVES THAT IS IT.

I'VE HAD IT.

ENOUGH WITH REPUBLICAN POLICIES AND McCAIN NEVER HAD A SHOT AT ALL.

IT WAS GOING TO BE BARACK OBAMA'S.

WE ARE NOW SEEING AN ELECTION IN THE REVERSE.

WE ARE SEEING THAT AMERICANS HAVE BEEN SORT OF SIMMERING AROUND THIS SLUGGISH ECONOMY FOR EIGHT YEARS.

DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN IN THE WHITE HOUSE THAT ENTIRE TIME.

AND THIS SORT OF PUNISHINGIATED FEAR -- PUNISHIATED FEAR THAT KEEPS RECURRING WITH THE HORRIFIC TRAGIC EVENTS, TERRORIST EVENTS BUT ALSO YOU KNOW, THE PROTESTS AND THEN THE AMBUSHES OF THE POLICE OFFICERS ARE FEEDING INTO THIS NOTION THAT WHAT WAS A SIMMERING DISCONTENT IS TURNING INTO A REFERENDUM AGAINST BARACK OBAMA.

>> ELEANOR, AS SHE HEADS TO PHILADELPHIA, HILLARY WAS AT LEAST AT THE TIME OF THE TAPING ABOUT IT SEEMED TO NAME TIM CANE AS HER VICE-PRESIDENTIAL RUNNING MATE.

HE IS REAL VANILLA NOT A SUPER EXCITING GUY BUT HE WILL HELP HER CARRY VIRGINIA MAYBE WHICH SHE -- IS BECOMING A PURPLE STATE ANYWAY.

BUT SHE ALSO WAS AHEAD IN A "USA TODAY" POLL, AHEAD WITH MARRIED WHITE WOMEN 46-43% ON JULY 11TH THAT POLL WAS TAKEN.

AND SHE IS AHEAD -- WHICH IS NORMALLY A REPUBLICAN DEMOGRAPHIC AND STARTING WITH RONALD REAGAN BACK IN 1980 AND SHE ALSO WAS AHEAD WITH WOMEN OVERALL BY DOUBLE-DIGITS AND SHE WAS AHEAD WITH MILLENNIALS BY 20 POINTS.

THESE ARE DEMOGRAPHICS DONALD TRUMP NEEDS.

IS THERE ANYWAY HE IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET THEM AWAY FROM HER?

>> I'VE STOPPED PREDICTING WHAT THIS MAN CANNOT DO.

I NEVER THOUGHT THAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WAS DRAWING BOTH WOMEN AND MINORITIES WOULD GIVE US THIS AND THEY HATE IT AS WITNESSED EVERY ELECTED OFFICIAL.

I DON'T SEE HOW YOU OVERCOME THE NUMBERS.

PARTICULARLY WITH WHITE WOMEN.

WE NEVER HAD THEM.

>> WHITE MARRIED WOMEN.

>> WHITE MARRIED WOMEN.

WHAT WE HAD WAS WHEN YOU ADD THE BLACK WOMEN SO SOLIDLY FOR THE DEMOCRATS, YOU GOT WOMEN.

NOW THAT WE'VE GOT 0 OWE.

>> AND SINGLE WOMEN.

>> WE'VE HAD THEM.

SO NOW THAT WE HAVE MARRIED WHITE WOMEN YOU WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THIS CONVENTION WHICH EVERYBODY IN THE HALL WAS ALREADY FOR HIM WOULD HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY LGBT BUT TO SAY THE WORD WOMAN.

>> CAN I ADD ONE LAST THING THAT AS DISAPPOINTING AS I THINK THIS CAMPAIGN IS IT'S NOT REFLECTIVE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AT LARGE WHICH GIVES ME HOPE.

WE ARE WORKED WITH A LOT OF WONDERFUL LAWMAKERS IN THE HOUSE SO FAR ON ADVANCING SOME OF THE PRINCIPLES IN OUR REPORT.

I WAS JUST DOWN IN RICHMOND TO SPEAK FOR A CONGRESSMAN'S DISTRICT.

A MAN WHO PLANNED A SUMMIT FOR WOMEN.

THERE ARE A LOT OF LAWMAKERS THAT GET THIS AND THE PARTY NEEDS TO MODERNIZE AND CHANGE I HOPE IT TRICKLES UP.

>> WILL HILLARY BE ABLE TO UNITE THE PARTY?

IS THERE GOING TO BE AS DIVIDED A DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION IN PHILADELPHIA AS WAS REPUBLICAN WITH CRUZ AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT HAPPENED THERE?

OR WILL BERNIE SANDERS COME THROUGH FOR HER?

WILL HIS SUPPORTERS VOTE FOR HER?

>> SHE HAS DONE THAT.

BERNIE JOINED THE COLLECTIVE AND SAID HILLARY AND I GET WITH HER AND THE HEALTH STUFF.

GUYS GO TO HILLARY.

>> THERE WILL BE MORE ANGER FROM -- >> I FEEL -- >> LEFT WING DEMOCRATS WHO CALL THEMSELVES SOCIALISTS THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE HAPPY WITH A TIM CAINE SELECTION.

>> THERE IS A SENSE THAT WE CANNOT LET Mr. TRUMP BE PRESIDENT WE MUST ELECT A DEMOCRAT AND THE SAME THING IS HAPPENING ON THE RIGHT.

WE CANNOT LET A CLINTON ENTER THE WHITE HOUSE AGAIN THAT IS WHAT WILL BE MORE UNIFYING THAT WHAT HAPPENED IN CLEVELAND.

>> WHAT IS A GOOD OMEN IS THERE WILL BE GOOD DEMONSTRATIONS DEMOCRATS DID NOT BOTHER WITH THE REPUBLICAN CONVENTION AND THAT IS NOT A GOOD OMEN FOR REPUBLICANS.

THE DEMONSTRATIONS WILL BE ISSUE ORIENTED ABOUT TOO MUCH MONEY IN CAMPAIGNS.

I DO NOT BELIEVE THEY WILL BE DIRECTED AGAINST CLINTON OR AGAINST THE VICE-PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE.

>> LAST WORD, YOU SEE HER UNITING THE PARTY OR A REVOLT?

>> I THINK SHE ACTUALLY HAS UNITED THE PARTY.

SHE ACTUALLY ALWAYS CARRIED DEMOCRATS IN THE VAST MAJORITY OF THOSE PRIMARY COP TESTS.

HE WAS CONSISTENTLY CARRYING THOSE WHO IDENTIFIED AS INTERESTEDS.

SOME OF THOSE INDEPENDENTS WILL NOT COME OVER AND VOTE FOR A CLINTON CANDIDACY.

BUT THAT SAID, I DON'T THINK THAT THEY WILL NECESSARILY MAKE MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE IN THOSE FEW PEOPLE WILL EITHER END UP WITH JILL STEIN THE GREEN PARTY CANDIDATE OR THEY WILL NOT TURNOUT.

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FROM THE CONVENTION TO FOX NEWS.

ROGER AILES, A POWERHOUSE PRODUCER OF CONSERVATIVE MEDIA, IS EXPECTED TO RESIGN AMID SEXUAL HARASSMENT ALLEGATIONS.

FORMER FOX HOST GRETCHEN CARLSON FILED A LAWSUIT AGAINST AILES SAYING HE PROPOSITIONED AND SEXUALLY HARASSED HER.

THEN NEW YORK MAGAZINE REPORTED ANCHOR MEGYN KELLY ALSO CLAIMED SHE WAS HARASSED BY AILES.

KELLY IS CONSIDERED THE FUTURE OF THE NETWORK AS ITS OTHER BIG STAR, BILL O'REILLY, IS CONSIDERING RETIREMENT.

AILES DENIES HE SEXUALLY HARASSED EITHER WOMAN.

HE RECEIVED SUPPORT FROM MANY FEMALE FOX EMPLOYEES, BUT KELLY WAS A NOTABLE ABSENCE AS RUPERT MURDOCH'S SONS MOVE THE NETWORK AND HIS COMPANY INTO A NEW ERA.

>> SO WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS?

WAS HE REALLY FIRED?

I MUST SAY THE OVERALL REACTION WAS THIS IS GREAT FROM WOMEN'S COMMUNITY THIS IS GREAT THE WOMEN WON.

SHE CALLED HIM OUT.

HE LOST.

BUT HE IS ON A WHAT?

60-80 MILLION CONTRACT BETWEEN NOW AND 2018 AND HE IS REPORTING CONSULTING TO RUPERT MURDOCH WHO IS TAKING HIS PLACE.

MEANING AILES WILL CALL RUPERT AND TELL HIM WHAT TO SAY TO THE PEOPLE IN NEW YORK HOW TO RUN THE NETWORK AS OPPOSED TO AILES DOING IT HIMSELF.

>> IT CERTAINLY I DO NOT THINK IT'S GOING TO PLEASE A LOT OF THE FEMINISTS OUT THERE.

LOOK -- >> DO YOU THINK HE WAS FIRED?

OR A BUNCH OF HOCUS-POCUS?

>> WE NEED TO DEAL WITH THE SITUATION BUT THIS IS NOT -- YOU DO NOT WALK AWAY WITH $40 MILLION.

I THINK THE LARGER ISSUE IS THAT SEXUAL VIOLENCE AND SEXUAL ASSAULT AND ANY KIND OF HARASSMENT OUGHT TO BE CONDEMNED.

AND AT LEAST IT WAS GOOD THIS WAS BROUGHT TO PUBLIC LIGHT.

AND THAT PEOPLE STAND BY SOMEONE LIKE GRETCHEN AND SAY IF THIS HAPPENED WE NEED TO DEAL WITH IT.

>> THEY HAD OUTSIDE COUNSEL WHICH IS NOT USUALLY THE WAY IT'S BEEN DONE AT FOX NEWS.

I THINK IT WAS A COMBINATION OF AMBITIOUS SONS AND SEXUAL HARASSMENT A MAN IN HIS MID-70s.

HOW MUCH LONGER WAS HE GOING TO BE THERE ANYWAY?

THERE WAS A WAY TO GET HIM OUT THAT WAS -- WOULDN'T COST THEM MUCH WHEN YOU CONSIDER HOW MUCH MONEY THEY REAL REALLY HAVE.

AND THERE WAS NO BIG DEAL TO KEEP HIM.

>> THIS IS NOT 10 YEARS AGO.

THIS IS WHEN THE NETWORK SETTLED INTO NUMBER ONE AND HAS BEEN THAT WAY FOR A LONGTIME.

>> BUT LOSING GROUND.

THAT IS THE OTHER PART.

THE NUMBERS ARE NOT WHAT THEY ONCE WERE AND HE IS SLIPPING UNDER HIS LEADERSHIP IT WAS SLIPPING.

>> IT'S PROVOCATIVE.

THE DECISION IS PROVOCATIVE FOR THEM TO BOOT HIM WITH OR WITHOUT MONEY.

BUT ONE THING I'M PROUD OF IS SEEING TWO WOMEN THAT LOOK LIKE BARBIE DOLLS JUST OLDER THAN ME, MILLENNIAL WOMEN HAVE PROPPED THE WOMEN UP TO SAY BEAT THE ESTABLISHMENT.

GRETCHEN WAS STRATEGIC IN HOW SHE DID THIS AND THAT IS -- >> VERY STRATEGIC IN TERMS OF PLAYING IT OUT IN THE MEDIA.

BECAUSE SHE COULDN'T HAVE -- SHE WAS UNDER CONTRACT AND COULD NOT HAVE SUED THE NETWORK.

SHE PROBABLY WHEN THE COURTS ARE DONE WITH THIS WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SUE HIM INDIVIDUALLY AND WILL BE FORCED INTO ARBITRATION.

BUT THEY USED THE MEDIA SO WELL THAT SHE WON.

>> AND SHE HAD RELATIVELY UP KNOWN LAWYERS ON HER SIDE DOING IT.

>> AND HE HAS SUSAN ELDRIDGE THE FEMINIST, YOU KNOW WHAT PEOPLE WILL DO FOR MONEY NEVER CEASES TO AMAZE ME.

>> IT SHOWS HOW THINGS WERE TURNED ON THEIR HEAD.

I NEVER IMAGINE GRETCHEN CARLSON COMING OUT AND DOING SOMETHING SO PROVOCATIVE.

WOMEN HAVE COME TOGETHER AND ARE SAYING ENOUGH IS ENOUGH AND YOU CAN GO AFTER THE MACHINE AND I'M PROUD OF BOTH THOSE WOMEN.

>> HOW MUCH OF THIS HAD TO DO WITH HIS SONS WHO RESEARCHED THIS AND THEY ARE -- THEY HAVE NEVER SPOKEN PUBLICLY ABOUT THEIR POLITICS.

THEY ARE SUPPOSEDLY PROGRESSIVES.

WHAT ROLE DID THEY PLAY IN THIS?

>> AT THE END OF THE DAY WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU WERE GETTING AT WHICH IS THERE IS A TRANSITION IN THE DYNASTY.

AND THERE IS A DESIRE TO ESSENTIALLY MOVE OUT WHAT WAS AND WHAT USED TO WORK AND RETHINK WHAT WILL BE.

AND SO IT'S PERFECT THAT SORT OF RUPERT MURDOCH IS GOING TO PROVIDE THIS BRIDGE BETWEEN AILES AND HIS SONS.

BECAUSE NOW HIS SONS AND HE WILL BE ABLE TO ESSENTIALLY RECRAFT OR RETHINK WHAT MAY BE LAUNCHED A FEW YEARS FROM NOW.

LET ME SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE MONEY.

THEY HAD TO DO THAT.

SOME OF THAT WAS THE MONEY HE ALREADY WAS CONTRACTED FOR.

SO IN MANY OF THESE MEDIA BUYOUTS WHAT YOU ACTUALLY HAVE IS INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE CONTRACTS NEED TO BE BOUGHT OUT IF THEY ARE GOING TO BE LET GO.

>> YOU ARE SAYING IT WAS MORE OF A FIRING?

>> NO, I THINK IT WAS -- I THINK IT WAS A POLITE WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO GO AND WE CAN MAKE IT WORTH YOUR WHILE.

AND WE WILL ALSO ALLOW YOU TO SAVE FACE.

>> QUICKLY.

WE'LL GO AROUND STARTING WITH YOU.

A VICTORY FOR WOMEN HERE OR NOT?

AND WILL IT SERVE WOMEN WELL IN THE FUTURE WHO FILE LAWSUITS FOR SEXUAL HARASSMENT?

>> I THINK EVERYONE OF THESE INSTANCES HELPS WOMEN.

WHETHER IT IS PARTIAL OR FULL VICTORY IT IS A COMMUNITIVE EFFECT.

>> I COULD NOT AGREE MORE.

A VICTORY.

>> THE PRECIPITATING ISSUE WAS A FEMINIST ISSUE AND WE WON.

>> IT IS GOOD BUT I HOPE THAT IT IS A SIGN TO THE NEWSROOMS IN GENERAL WHICH HAVE PROBLEMS THAT WE SHOULD CLEAN UP OUR SHOPS.

>> LET'S SEE.

LET'S SEE.

AND QUICKLY, WAS IT SHOULD IT HAVE HAPPENED THAT FOX'S SEXUAL HARASSMENT MORE LIKELY A CONSERVATIVE NEWSROOMS THAN LIBERAL NEWSROOMS?

>> I CERTAINLY HAVE NOT SURVEYED THAT SO I DON'T KNOW.

>> THAT IS FOR NEXT TIME.

THAT IS IT FOR THIS EDITION.

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