FOUNDATION, AND BY FOUNDATION, AND BY THE CHARLES A. FRUEAUFF FOUNDATION, AND BY THE CHARLES A. FRUEAUFF FOUNDATION.

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BLV >> THIS WEEK ON "TO THE BLV >> THIS WEEK ON "TO THE CONTRARY."

>> THIS WEEK ON "TO THE CONTRARY."

>> FIRST, TEXAS STATE SENATOR'S CONTRARY."

>> FIRST, TEXAS STATE SENATOR'S WENDY DAVIS'S RISE TO WOMEN'S >> FIRST, TEXAS STATE SENATOR'S WENDY DAVIS'S RISE TO WOMEN'S RIGHT STARDOM.

WENDY DAVIS'S RISE TO WOMEN'S RIGHT STARDOM.

>>> AND THEN VICTORY FOR SAME RIGHT STARDOM.

>>> AND THEN VICTORY FOR SAME SEX MARRIAGE WITH LEGAL BATTLES >>> AND THEN VICTORY FOR SAME SEX MARRIAGE WITH LEGAL BATTLES TO COME.

SEX MARRIAGE WITH LEGAL BATTLES TO COME.

>>> BEHIND THE HEADLINES.

TO COME.

>>> BEHIND THE HEADLINES.

FLEXISM.

>>> BEHIND THE HEADLINES.

FLEXISM.

WHAT'S THAT?

FLEXISM.

WHAT'S THAT?

WE'LL ENLIGHTEN YOU.

>> HELLO.

>> HELLO.

I'M BONNIE ERBE.

>> HELLO.

I'M BONNIE ERBE.

WELCOME TO "TO THE CONTRARY" A I'M BONNIE ERBE.

WELCOME TO "TO THE CONTRARY" A DISCUSSION OF NEWS AND SOCIAL WELCOME TO "TO THE CONTRARY" A DISCUSSION OF NEWS AND SOCIAL TRENDS FROM DIVERSE DISCUSSION OF NEWS AND SOCIAL TRENDS FROM DIVERSE PERSPECTIVES.

TRENDS FROM DIVERSE PERSPECTIVES.

UP FIRST, WENDY DAVIS'S FIGHT PERSPECTIVES.

UP FIRST, WENDY DAVIS'S FIGHT CONTINUES.

UP FIRST, WENDY DAVIS'S FIGHT CONTINUES.

TEXAS GOVERNOR, RICK PERRY, IS CONTINUES.

TEXAS GOVERNOR, RICK PERRY, IS CALLING THE STATE LEGISLATURE TEXAS GOVERNOR, RICK PERRY, IS CALLING THE STATE LEGISLATURE BACK INTO SESSION FOR ANOTHER GO CALLING THE STATE LEGISLATURE BACK INTO SESSION FOR ANOTHER GO AT ANTI-ABORTION LEGISLATION BACK INTO SESSION FOR ANOTHER GO AT ANTI-ABORTION LEGISLATION KILLED THIS WEEK BY A MARATHON AT ANTI-ABORTION LEGISLATION KILLED THIS WEEK BY A MARATHON FILIBUSTER.

KILLED THIS WEEK BY A MARATHON FILIBUSTER.

THAT FILIBUSTER SHINED A FILIBUSTER.

THAT FILIBUSTER SHINED A NATIONAL SPOTLIGHT ON TEXAS THAT FILIBUSTER SHINED A NATIONAL SPOTLIGHT ON TEXAS STATE SENATOR, WENDY DAVIS.

NATIONAL SPOTLIGHT ON TEXAS STATE SENATOR, WENDY DAVIS.

SHE STOOD FOR 11 HOURS IN PINK STATE SENATOR, WENDY DAVIS.

SHE STOOD FOR 11 HOURS IN PINK RUNNING SHOES READING TESTIMONY SHE STOOD FOR 11 HOURS IN PINK RUNNING SHOES READING TESTIMONY FROM WOMEN AND DOCTORS WHO WOULD RUNNING SHOES READING TESTIMONY FROM WOMEN AND DOCTORS WHO WOULD HAVE BEEN IMPACTED BY THE LAW.

FROM WOMEN AND DOCTORS WHO WOULD HAVE BEEN IMPACTED BY THE LAW.

UNABLE TO LEAN ON ANYTHING, TAKE HAVE BEEN IMPACTED BY THE LAW.

UNABLE TO LEAN ON ANYTHING, TAKE A BREAK OR A SIP OF WATER, SHE UNABLE TO LEAN ON ANYTHING, TAKE A BREAK OR A SIP OF WATER, SHE WAS BUOYED ON BY HASHTAG, STAND A BREAK OR A SIP OF WATER, SHE WAS BUOYED ON BY HASHTAG, STAND WITH WENDY, CELEBRITY TWEETS, WAS BUOYED ON BY HASHTAG, STAND WITH WENDY, CELEBRITY TWEETS, AND CHEERING SUPPORTERS.

WITH WENDY, CELEBRITY TWEETS, AND CHEERING SUPPORTERS.

THE 50-YEAR-OLD DEMOCRAT HAS AND CHEERING SUPPORTERS.

THE 50-YEAR-OLD DEMOCRAT HAS OVERCOME OTHER OBSTACLES.

THE 50-YEAR-OLD DEMOCRAT HAS OVERCOME OTHER OBSTACLES.

SHE SUPPORTED HER SINGLE MOTHER, OVERCOME OTHER OBSTACLES.

SHE SUPPORTED HER SINGLE MOTHER, BECAME A TEEN MOM, YET GRADUATED SHE SUPPORTED HER SINGLE MOTHER, BECAME A TEEN MOM, YET GRADUATED FROM HARVARD LAW SCHOOL.

BECAME A TEEN MOM, YET GRADUATED FROM HARVARD LAW SCHOOL.

LAST YEAR, HER OFFICES WERE FROM HARVARD LAW SCHOOL.

LAST YEAR, HER OFFICES WERE FIREBOMBED.

LAST YEAR, HER OFFICES WERE FIREBOMBED.

NOW, HER POPULARITY IS FIREBOMBED.

NOW, HER POPULARITY IS SKYROCKETING.

NOW, HER POPULARITY IS SKYROCKETING.

STEPHANIE SHRIOFF PRESIDENT OF SKYROCKETING.

STEPHANIE SHRIOFF PRESIDENT OF THE PRO CHOICE PACK, EMILY'S STEPHANIE SHRIOFF PRESIDENT OF THE PRO CHOICE PACK, EMILY'S LIST, EXPECTS DAVIS TO CONTINUE THE PRO CHOICE PACK, EMILY'S LIST, EXPECTS DAVIS TO CONTINUE TO RISE IN PROMINENCE.

LIST, EXPECTS DAVIS TO CONTINUE TO RISE IN PROMINENCE.

>> I THINK SO MANY FOLKS WATCHED TO RISE IN PROMINENCE.

>> I THINK SO MANY FOLKS WATCHED IT IN AWE.

>> I THINK SO MANY FOLKS WATCHED IT IN AWE.

I SURE DID, AS SHE STOOD UP IT IN AWE.

I SURE DID, AS SHE STOOD UP AGAINST AN EXTREMIST REPUBLICAN I SURE DID, AS SHE STOOD UP AGAINST AN EXTREMIST REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR TO HOLD OFF WHAT WAS AN AGAINST AN EXTREMIST REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR TO HOLD OFF WHAT WAS AN INCREDIBLY, INCREDIBLY BAD SET GOVERNOR TO HOLD OFF WHAT WAS AN INCREDIBLY, INCREDIBLY BAD SET OF BILLS THAT THEY BASICALLY PUT INCREDIBLY, INCREDIBLY BAD SET OF BILLS THAT THEY BASICALLY PUT TOGETHER, ALL ANTI-CHOICE.

OF BILLS THAT THEY BASICALLY PUT TOGETHER, ALL ANTI-CHOICE.

TOGETHER, ALL ANTI-CHOICE.

IT IS EXACTLY WOMEN LIKE THAT IT IS EXACTLY WOMEN LIKE THAT THAT I THINK YOU SHOULD KEEP IT IS EXACTLY WOMEN LIKE THAT THAT I THINK YOU SHOULD KEEP YOUR EYE ON FOR GOVERNORSHIPS.

THAT I THINK YOU SHOULD KEEP YOUR EYE ON FOR GOVERNORSHIPS.

>> THE BILL BANS ABORTIONS AFTER YOUR EYE ON FOR GOVERNORSHIPS.

>> THE BILL BANS ABORTIONS AFTER 20 WEEKS AND ADDS LICENSING >> THE BILL BANS ABORTIONS AFTER 20 WEEKS AND ADDS LICENSING REQUIREMENTS FOR WOMEN'S HEALTH 20 WEEKS AND ADDS LICENSING REQUIREMENTS FOR WOMEN'S HEALTH CLINICS THAT WOULD SHUT DOWN REQUIREMENTS FOR WOMEN'S HEALTH CLINICS THAT WOULD SHUT DOWN MOST OF THEM IN TEXAS.

CLINICS THAT WOULD SHUT DOWN MOST OF THEM IN TEXAS.

>> SO, CONGRESSWOMAN NORTON, CAN MOST OF THEM IN TEXAS.

>> SO, CONGRESSWOMAN NORTON, CAN DAVIS SUCCEED A SECOND TIME, OR >> SO, CONGRESSWOMAN NORTON, CAN DAVIS SUCCEED A SECOND TIME, OR WILL SHE NOT BE ABLE TO HOLD DAVIS SUCCEED A SECOND TIME, OR WILL SHE NOT BE ABLE TO HOLD BACK THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE, WILL SHE NOT BE ABLE TO HOLD BACK THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE, DESPITE HER NEW STARDOM?

BACK THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE, DESPITE HER NEW STARDOM?

>> BONNIE, WHATEVER HAPPENS IN DESPITE HER NEW STARDOM?

>> BONNIE, WHATEVER HAPPENS IN TEXAS >> BONNIE, WHATEVER HAPPENS IN TEXAS WENDY DAVIS PUT THE PRO CHOICE TEXAS WENDY DAVIS PUT THE PRO CHOICE MOVEMENT ON THE OFFENSIVE AGAIN.

WENDY DAVIS PUT THE PRO CHOICE MOVEMENT ON THE OFFENSIVE AGAIN.

>> IN TEXAS, AS IN THE REST OF MOVEMENT ON THE OFFENSIVE AGAIN.

>> IN TEXAS, AS IN THE REST OF THE NATION, WE ARE SEEING >> IN TEXAS, AS IN THE REST OF THE NATION, WE ARE SEEING INCREASING SUPPORT FOR LIFE, AND THE NATION, WE ARE SEEING INCREASING SUPPORT FOR LIFE, AND TWO-THIRDS OF AMERICANS ARE INCREASING SUPPORT FOR LIFE, AND TWO-THIRDS OF AMERICANS ARE OPPOSED TO SECOND AND THIRD TWO-THIRDS OF AMERICANS ARE OPPOSED TO SECOND AND THIRD TRIMESTER ABORTIONS.

OPPOSED TO SECOND AND THIRD TRIMESTER ABORTIONS.

I THINK THE OFFENSE BELONGS TO TRIMESTER ABORTIONS.

I THINK THE OFFENSE BELONGS TO THE PRO-LIFE MOVEMENT HERE.

I THINK THE OFFENSE BELONGS TO THE PRO-LIFE MOVEMENT HERE.

>> I'M A POLITICAL PRAGMATIST, THE PRO-LIFE MOVEMENT HERE.

>> I'M A POLITICAL PRAGMATIST, AND I THINK AT THIS LEVEL, THE >> I'M A POLITICAL PRAGMATIST, AND I THINK AT THIS LEVEL, THE REPUBLICAN MAJORITY, WHICH IS IN AND I THINK AT THIS LEVEL, THE REPUBLICAN MAJORITY, WHICH IS IN CONTROL OF THE TEXAS SENATE, REPUBLICAN MAJORITY, WHICH IS IN CONTROL OF THE TEXAS SENATE, WILL CERTAINLY BE ABLE TO PASS CONTROL OF THE TEXAS SENATE, WILL CERTAINLY BE ABLE TO PASS AND MANAGE THIS BILL, SO WHILE WILL CERTAINLY BE ABLE TO PASS AND MANAGE THIS BILL, SO WHILE IT MAY BE A DEFEAT FOR PRO AND MANAGE THIS BILL, SO WHILE IT MAY BE A DEFEAT FOR PRO CHOICE, YOU KNOW, ADVOCATES, IT IT MAY BE A DEFEAT FOR PRO CHOICE, YOU KNOW, ADVOCATES, IT IS STILL CERTAINLY SOMETHING TO CHOICE, YOU KNOW, ADVOCATES, IT IS STILL CERTAINLY SOMETHING TO WATCH.

IS STILL CERTAINLY SOMETHING TO WATCH.

>> EVEN MORE TO YOUR POINT, IN WATCH.

>> EVEN MORE TO YOUR POINT, IN TEXAS, SPECIFICALLY 62% OF >> EVEN MORE TO YOUR POINT, IN TEXAS, SPECIFICALLY 62% OF TEXANS SUPPORT THIS BILL, AND SO TEXAS, SPECIFICALLY 62% OF TEXANS SUPPORT THIS BILL, AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE REALLY TEXANS SUPPORT THIS BILL, AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE REALLY HAVE TO LOOK AT, IS WHAT TEXANS I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE REALLY HAVE TO LOOK AT, IS WHAT TEXANS THINK.

HAVE TO LOOK AT, IS WHAT TEXANS THINK.

>> ALL RIGHT.

THINK.

>> ALL RIGHT.

BUT WELL, WHAT -- BUT I WAS >> ALL RIGHT.

BUT WELL, WHAT -- BUT I WAS SHOCKED QUITE FRANKLY, BY ALL OF BUT WELL, WHAT -- BUT I WAS SHOCKED QUITE FRANKLY, BY ALL OF THE -- SPEAKING OF TEXANS, SHOCKED QUITE FRANKLY, BY ALL OF THE -- SPEAKING OF TEXANS, HUNDREDS IF NOT THOUSANDS OF THE -- SPEAKING OF TEXANS, HUNDREDS IF NOT THOUSANDS OF TEXANS WHO WERE IN THE STATE HUNDREDS IF NOT THOUSANDS OF TEXANS WHO WERE IN THE STATE DOWN THE STAIRS TEXANS WHO WERE IN THE STATE DOWN THE STAIRS CHEERING HER ON, I DIDN'T THINK DOWN THE STAIRS CHEERING HER ON, I DIDN'T THINK THERE WERE THAT MANY DEMOCRATS CHEERING HER ON, I DIDN'T THINK THERE WERE THAT MANY DEMOCRATS LEFT IN TEXAS.

THERE WERE THAT MANY DEMOCRATS LEFT IN TEXAS.

>> OH, YEAH.

LEFT IN TEXAS.

>> OH, YEAH.

YOU BETTER WATCH OUT.

>> OH, YEAH.

YOU BETTER WATCH OUT.

WHEN TEXAS GOES FULL BLOWN, THEY YOU BETTER WATCH OUT.

WHEN TEXAS GOES FULL BLOWN, THEY BETTER HAVE -- THE REPUBLICANS WHEN TEXAS GOES FULL BLOWN, THEY BETTER HAVE -- THE REPUBLICANS BETTER HAVE A IT GOOD NOW, BETTER HAVE -- THE REPUBLICANS BETTER HAVE A IT GOOD NOW, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT LONG FOR THE BETTER HAVE A IT GOOD NOW, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT LONG FOR THE WORLD.

BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT LONG FOR THE WORLD.

>> MEANING WHAT?

WORLD.

>> MEANING WHAT?

>> THE GROWTH OF THE HISPANIC >> MEANING WHAT?

>> THE GROWTH OF THE HISPANIC POPULATION IS GOING TO BE THE >> THE GROWTH OF THE HISPANIC POPULATION IS GOING TO BE THE END OF THIS SECTION -- THIS POPULATION IS GOING TO BE THE END OF THIS SECTION -- THIS SOUTHERN SECTION WHITE PARTY OF END OF THIS SECTION -- THIS SOUTHERN SECTION WHITE PARTY OF OLD MEN, AND THEY KNOW IT.

SOUTHERN SECTION WHITE PARTY OF OLD MEN, AND THEY KNOW IT.

>> IT WAS AN ODD THING FOR THEM OLD MEN, AND THEY KNOW IT.

>> IT WAS AN ODD THING FOR THEM TO COME OUT AND CHEER, IN THE >> IT WAS AN ODD THING FOR THEM TO COME OUT AND CHEER, IN THE WAKE OF THE GOSNELL HORRORS IN TO COME OUT AND CHEER, IN THE WAKE OF THE GOSNELL HORRORS IN THE WAKE -- WAKE OF THE GOSNELL HORRORS IN THE WAKE -- >> DID THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO THE WAKE -- >> DID THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE -- >> DID THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE -- >> WHEN THE DEPARTMENT IN TEXAS WITH THE -- >> WHEN THE DEPARTMENT IN TEXAS IS INVESTIGATING A SIMILAR PLACE >> WHEN THE DEPARTMENT IN TEXAS IS INVESTIGATING A SIMILAR PLACE IN TEXAS, THIS IS SIMILAR IS INVESTIGATING A SIMILAR PLACE IN TEXAS, THIS IS SIMILAR OFFENSE.

IN TEXAS, THIS IS SIMILAR OFFENSE.

>> YOU CAN TAKE AN ANECDOTAL OFFENSE.

>> YOU CAN TAKE AN ANECDOTAL INCIDENT AND TRY TO DO AWAY WITH >> YOU CAN TAKE AN ANECDOTAL INCIDENT AND TRY TO DO AWAY WITH PRO CHOICE IF YOU THINK YOU CAN.

INCIDENT AND TRY TO DO AWAY WITH PRO CHOICE IF YOU THINK YOU CAN.

IT'S VERY INTERESTING FOR YOU TO PRO CHOICE IF YOU THINK YOU CAN.

IT'S VERY INTERESTING FOR YOU TO TELL ME OR TO TELL THE WORLD IT'S VERY INTERESTING FOR YOU TO TELL ME OR TO TELL THE WORLD THAT 62% OF THIS OR THAT ARE FOR TELL ME OR TO TELL THE WORLD THAT 62% OF THIS OR THAT ARE FOR OR AGAINST SOMEBODY'S THAT 62% OF THIS OR THAT ARE FOR OR AGAINST SOMEBODY'S CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.

OR AGAINST SOMEBODY'S CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.

LET ME REMIND YOU THAT WE ARE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.

LET ME REMIND YOU THAT WE ARE TALKING HERE ABOUT SOMETHING LET ME REMIND YOU THAT WE ARE TALKING HERE ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS NOT SUBJECT TO PUBLIC TALKING HERE ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS NOT SUBJECT TO PUBLIC ATTENTION, TO PUBLIC OPINION.

THAT IS NOT SUBJECT TO PUBLIC ATTENTION, TO PUBLIC OPINION.

NOT SINCE ROE VS. WADE DECLARED ATTENTION, TO PUBLIC OPINION.

NOT SINCE ROE VS. WADE DECLARED THAT THE RIGHT TO AN ABORTION, NOT SINCE ROE VS. WADE DECLARED THAT THE RIGHT TO AN ABORTION, INCLUDING ALL THREE TRIMESTERS, THAT THE RIGHT TO AN ABORTION, INCLUDING ALL THREE TRIMESTERS, ACCORDING TO CERTAIN LIMITATIONS INCLUDING ALL THREE TRIMESTERS, ACCORDING TO CERTAIN LIMITATIONS IS A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT.

ACCORDING TO CERTAIN LIMITATIONS IS A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT.

SO, YOU CAN HAVE 75% OR 90%, BUT IS A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT.

SO, YOU CAN HAVE 75% OR 90%, BUT WOMEN ARE STILL ENTITLED TO AN SO, YOU CAN HAVE 75% OR 90%, BUT WOMEN ARE STILL ENTITLED TO AN ABORTION.

WOMEN ARE STILL ENTITLED TO AN ABORTION.

>> WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ABORTION.

>> WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE ROE VS. WADE COMMENT >> WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE ROE VS. WADE COMMENT THERE AND THE COMMENT THAT I TO THE ROE VS. WADE COMMENT THERE AND THE COMMENT THAT I THINK WAS DIRECTED AT ME ABOUT THERE AND THE COMMENT THAT I THINK WAS DIRECTED AT ME ABOUT THE 62% AND JUST SAY THAT WAS THINK WAS DIRECTED AT ME ABOUT THE 62% AND JUST SAY THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY DIRECTED AT WHETHER THE 62% AND JUST SAY THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY DIRECTED AT WHETHER OR NOT TEXANS WANT THIS, AND THE SPECIFICALLY DIRECTED AT WHETHER OR NOT TEXANS WANT THIS, AND THE IDEA OF FEDERALISM, AND THE IDEA OR NOT TEXANS WANT THIS, AND THE IDEA OF FEDERALISM, AND THE IDEA THAT IF THIS IS WHAT TEXANS IDEA OF FEDERALISM, AND THE IDEA THAT IF THIS IS WHAT TEXANS SUPPORT, THAT'S WHAT THEY SHOULD THAT IF THIS IS WHAT TEXANS SUPPORT, THAT'S WHAT THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO IN THEIR STATE.

SUPPORT, THAT'S WHAT THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO IN THEIR STATE.

I DO NOT THINK IT'S AN BE ABLE TO DO IN THEIR STATE.

I DO NOT THINK IT'S AN ANTI-CHOICE BILL TO GO BACK TO I DO NOT THINK IT'S AN ANTI-CHOICE BILL TO GO BACK TO THAT COMMENT.

ANTI-CHOICE BILL TO GO BACK TO THAT COMMENT.

YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T GET RID OF THAT COMMENT.

YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T GET RID OF ABORTIONS, PERIOD.

YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T GET RID OF ABORTIONS, PERIOD.

IT'S NOT UNREASONABLE TO SAY, ABORTIONS, PERIOD.

IT'S NOT UNREASONABLE TO SAY, YOU SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO HAVE AN IT'S NOT UNREASONABLE TO SAY, YOU SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO HAVE AN ABORTION FOUR-AND-A-HALF MONTHS YOU SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO HAVE AN ABORTION FOUR-AND-A-HALF MONTHS INTO YOUR PREGNANCY.

ABORTION FOUR-AND-A-HALF MONTHS INTO YOUR PREGNANCY.

IF YOU ARE UNAWARE THAT YOU ARE INTO YOUR PREGNANCY.

IF YOU ARE UNAWARE THAT YOU ARE PREGNANT AT THAT POINT, THAT IS IF YOU ARE UNAWARE THAT YOU ARE PREGNANT AT THAT POINT, THAT IS OUTRAGEOUS.

PREGNANT AT THAT POINT, THAT IS OUTRAGEOUS.

>> IT GOES TO THE LIFE AND OUTRAGEOUS.

>> IT GOES TO THE LIFE AND HEALTH OF THE MOTHER WHICH ROE >> IT GOES TO THE LIFE AND HEALTH OF THE MOTHER WHICH ROE VS. WADE SAYS MUST BE TAKEN INTO HEALTH OF THE MOTHER WHICH ROE VS. WADE SAYS MUST BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT.

VS. WADE SAYS MUST BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT.

>> WHAT ABOUT THE LIFE OF THE ACCOUNT.

>> WHAT ABOUT THE LIFE OF THE UNBORN CHILD.

>> WHAT ABOUT THE LIFE OF THE UNBORN CHILD.

>> WHAT ABOUT THE LIFE OF THE UNBORN CHILD.

>> WHAT ABOUT THE LIFE OF THE MOTHER.

>> WHAT ABOUT THE LIFE OF THE MOTHER.

>> THAT'S SETTLED BY ROE VS.

MOTHER.

>> THAT'S SETTLED BY ROE VS. WADE.

>> THAT'S SETTLED BY ROE VS. WADE.

>> IF YOU LOOK AT THE LIFE AND WADE.

>> IF YOU LOOK AT THE LIFE AND HEALTH OF THE MOTHER, AFTER 20 >> IF YOU LOOK AT THE LIFE AND HEALTH OF THE MOTHER, AFTER 20 WEEKINGS OF -- HEALTH OF THE MOTHER, AFTER 20 WEEKINGS OF -- >> I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO FAR WEEKINGS OF -- >> I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO FAR OFF OF WENDY DAVIS HERSELF.

>> I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO FAR OFF OF WENDY DAVIS HERSELF.

>> SURE.

OFF OF WENDY DAVIS HERSELF.

>> SURE.

>> THE ABORTION DEBATE WE CAN >> SURE.

>> THE ABORTION DEBATE WE CAN HAVE AND HAVE HAD A MILLION >> THE ABORTION DEBATE WE CAN HAVE AND HAVE HAD A MILLION TIMES.

HAVE AND HAVE HAD A MILLION TIMES.

BUT WENDY DAVIS HERSELF, JUST TIMES.

BUT WENDY DAVIS HERSELF, JUST HAS AMAZED THE NATION, BUT WENDY DAVIS HERSELF, JUST HAS AMAZED THE NATION, PARTICULARLY COMING FROM TEXAS.

HAS AMAZED THE NATION, PARTICULARLY COMING FROM TEXAS.

BECAUSE OF ITS REPUTATION, PARTICULARLY COMING FROM TEXAS.

BECAUSE OF ITS REPUTATION, BECAUSE IT HAS A GOVERNOR WHO BECAUSE OF ITS REPUTATION, BECAUSE IT HAS A GOVERNOR WHO HOLDS IN STADIUMS, PRAYER BECAUSE IT HAS A GOVERNOR WHO HOLDS IN STADIUMS, PRAYER RALLIES AND STILL GETS ELECTED HOLDS IN STADIUMS, PRAYER RALLIES AND STILL GETS ELECTED GOVERNOR WHERE THAT WOULDN'T RALLIES AND STILL GETS ELECTED GOVERNOR WHERE THAT WOULDN'T HAPPEN IN A LOT OF STATES.

GOVERNOR WHERE THAT WOULDN'T HAPPEN IN A LOT OF STATES.

IS IT -- HOW DOES -- WHAT DO YOU HAPPEN IN A LOT OF STATES.

IS IT -- HOW DOES -- WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT HER COMING TO IS IT -- HOW DOES -- WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT HER COMING TO STARDOM AND GETTING SO FAMOUS THINK ABOUT HER COMING TO STARDOM AND GETTING SO FAMOUS AND COMING UP AGAINST THE STARDOM AND GETTING SO FAMOUS AND COMING UP AGAINST THE MAJORITY IN TEXAS?

AND COMING UP AGAINST THE MAJORITY IN TEXAS?

>> I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO MAJORITY IN TEXAS?

>> I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO GO ANYWHERE.

>> I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO GO ANYWHERE.

I MEAN, YOU LOOK AT HOW MANY GO ANYWHERE.

I MEAN, YOU LOOK AT HOW MANY TERMS PERRY HAD AND YOU HAVE I MEAN, YOU LOOK AT HOW MANY TERMS PERRY HAD AND YOU HAVE GEORGE W. BUSH BEFORE THAT.

TERMS PERRY HAD AND YOU HAVE GEORGE W. BUSH BEFORE THAT.

I THINK SHE MAY BE A STAR IN THE GEORGE W. BUSH BEFORE THAT.

I THINK SHE MAY BE A STAR IN THE PROCHOICE MOVEMENT AND I THINK SHE MAY BE A STAR IN THE PROCHOICE MOVEMENT AND PROGRESSIVISM, BUT AS FAR AS HOW PROCHOICE MOVEMENT AND PROGRESSIVISM, BUT AS FAR AS HOW HIGH HER STAR IS GOING TO RISE PROGRESSIVISM, BUT AS FAR AS HOW HIGH HER STAR IS GOING TO RISE IN TEXAS, I DON'T THINK IT RISES HIGH HER STAR IS GOING TO RISE IN TEXAS, I DON'T THINK IT RISES VERY FAR.

IN TEXAS, I DON'T THINK IT RISES VERY FAR.

>> WELL, AND THIS BECOMES THE VERY FAR.

>> WELL, AND THIS BECOMES THE PROBLEM SORT OF WITH A LOT OF, >> WELL, AND THIS BECOMES THE PROBLEM SORT OF WITH A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, ELECTED OFFICIALS IN PROBLEM SORT OF WITH A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, ELECTED OFFICIALS IN THESE STATES THAT ARE VERY RED YOU KNOW, ELECTED OFFICIALS IN THESE STATES THAT ARE VERY RED OR VERY BLUE.

THESE STATES THAT ARE VERY RED OR VERY BLUE.

YOU KNOW, YOU CAN LOOK AT OR VERY BLUE.

YOU KNOW, YOU CAN LOOK AT SOMEBODY WHO IS A VERY REAL YOU KNOW, YOU CAN LOOK AT SOMEBODY WHO IS A VERY REAL STAR, WITHIN THE DEMOCRATIC SOMEBODY WHO IS A VERY REAL STAR, WITHIN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, REPRESENTATIVE JAMES STAR, WITHIN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, REPRESENTATIVE JAMES CLYBURN AND HE'S NOT GOING TO BE PARTY, REPRESENTATIVE JAMES CLYBURN AND HE'S NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO GO VERY FAR IN SOUTH CLYBURN AND HE'S NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO GO VERY FAR IN SOUTH CAROLINA OTHER THAN A HOUSE ABLE TO GO VERY FAR IN SOUTH CAROLINA OTHER THAN A HOUSE MEMBER FROM THE DISTRICT.

CAROLINA OTHER THAN A HOUSE MEMBER FROM THE DISTRICT.

THAT ALLOWS HIM TO HAVE LARGE MEMBER FROM THE DISTRICT.

THAT ALLOWS HIM TO HAVE LARGE VOICE BECAUSE HE'S LONG TIME THAT ALLOWS HIM TO HAVE LARGE VOICE BECAUSE HE'S LONG TIME BEEN A PART OF THE PARTY.

VOICE BECAUSE HE'S LONG TIME BEEN A PART OF THE PARTY.

BUT HE'S STILL SORT OF PREVENTED BEEN A PART OF THE PARTY.

BUT HE'S STILL SORT OF PREVENTED FROM SUCCESSFULLY RUNNING FOR BUT HE'S STILL SORT OF PREVENTED FROM SUCCESSFULLY RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR AS WENDY DAVIS MAY WELL FROM SUCCESSFULLY RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR AS WENDY DAVIS MAY WELL BE.

GOVERNOR AS WENDY DAVIS MAY WELL BE.

>> YEAH, I MEAN, I WOULD -- SHE BE.

>> YEAH, I MEAN, I WOULD -- SHE MIGHT BE ABLE TO THE >> YEAH, I MEAN, I WOULD -- SHE MIGHT BE ABLE TO THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION.

MIGHT BE ABLE TO THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION.

COULD SHE AT THIS POINT IN TIME DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION.

COULD SHE AT THIS POINT IN TIME BECOME GOVERNOR, YOU KNOW, MOST COULD SHE AT THIS POINT IN TIME BECOME GOVERNOR, YOU KNOW, MOST LIKELY NOT.

BECOME GOVERNOR, YOU KNOW, MOST LIKELY NOT.

ON THE OTHER HAND, LINDEN LIKELY NOT.

ON THE OTHER HAND, LINDEN JOHNSON, WHO WAS PRESIDENT OF ON THE OTHER HAND, LINDEN JOHNSON, WHO WAS PRESIDENT OF THE COUNTRY, AND CAME FROM JOHNSON, WHO WAS PRESIDENT OF THE COUNTRY, AND CAME FROM TEXAS, AND A SENATOR AND WAS A THE COUNTRY, AND CAME FROM TEXAS, AND A SENATOR AND WAS A DEMOCRAT AT A TIME WHEN THE TEXAS, AND A SENATOR AND WAS A DEMOCRAT AT A TIME WHEN THE STATE WAS WAY MAJORITY DEMOCRAT AT A TIME WHEN THE STATE WAS WAY MAJORITY DEMOCRATIC, COULD SHE LEAD A STATE WAS WAY MAJORITY DEMOCRATIC, COULD SHE LEAD A CHANGED -- COULD -- STATES DEMOCRATIC, COULD SHE LEAD A CHANGED -- COULD -- STATES PARTIES, GO BACK AND FORTH ALL CHANGED -- COULD -- STATES PARTIES, GO BACK AND FORTH ALL THE TIME.

PARTIES, GO BACK AND FORTH ALL THE TIME.

COULD SHE LEAD A CHANGE?

THE TIME.

COULD SHE LEAD A CHANGE?

DOES SHE HAVE THAT KIND OF STAR COULD SHE LEAD A CHANGE?

DOES SHE HAVE THAT KIND OF STAR POWER?

DOES SHE HAVE THAT KIND OF STAR POWER?

>> I CERTAINLY THINK SHE HAS POWER?

>> I CERTAINLY THINK SHE HAS ENOUGH POWER TO SORT OF INCREASE >> I CERTAINLY THINK SHE HAS ENOUGH POWER TO SORT OF INCREASE HER OWN VISIBILITY, AND ENOUGH POWER TO SORT OF INCREASE HER OWN VISIBILITY, AND EVENTUALLY, IF A DEMOCRAT WERE HER OWN VISIBILITY, AND EVENTUALLY, IF A DEMOCRAT WERE TO WIN THE PRESIDENCY AGAIN IN EVENTUALLY, IF A DEMOCRAT WERE TO WIN THE PRESIDENCY AGAIN IN 2016, THAT WOULD MAKE HER SORT TO WIN THE PRESIDENCY AGAIN IN 2016, THAT WOULD MAKE HER SORT OF A PERFECT PERSON TO PUT INTO 2016, THAT WOULD MAKE HER SORT OF A PERFECT PERSON TO PUT INTO A NATIONAL EXECUTIVE NOMINATION.

OF A PERFECT PERSON TO PUT INTO A NATIONAL EXECUTIVE NOMINATION.

>> BUT BEING THE HERO FOR LATE A NATIONAL EXECUTIVE NOMINATION.

>> BUT BEING THE HERO FOR LATE TERM ABORTION IS NOT GOING TO >> BUT BEING THE HERO FOR LATE TERM ABORTION IS NOT GOING TO MAKE ONE POPULAR WITH THE UNITED TERM ABORTION IS NOT GOING TO MAKE ONE POPULAR WITH THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

MAKE ONE POPULAR WITH THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

>> WELL, BUT THERE'S -- THERE IS STATES OF AMERICA.

>> WELL, BUT THERE'S -- THERE IS A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION, WHAT >> WELL, BUT THERE'S -- THERE IS A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION, WHAT YOU ARE TERMING LATE TERM, THE A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION, WHAT YOU ARE TERMING LATE TERM, THE SUPREME COURT DID NOT YOU ARE TERMING LATE TERM, THE SUPREME COURT DID NOT TERM.

SUPREME COURT DID NOT TERM.

>> OKAY.

TERM.

>> OKAY.

>>BUT THE SECOND AND THIRD TRY >> OKAY.

>>BUT THE SECOND AND THIRD TRY MIDWESTER, A STRONG MAJORITY OF >>BUT THE SECOND AND THIRD TRY MIDWESTER, A STRONG MAJORITY OF AMERICANS ARE OPPOSED TO MIDWESTER, A STRONG MAJORITY OF AMERICANS ARE OPPOSED TO ABORTIONS IN THAT TIME PERIOD.

AMERICANS ARE OPPOSED TO ABORTIONS IN THAT TIME PERIOD.

NOW, WHAT I'M MARVELLING AT IS ABORTIONS IN THAT TIME PERIOD.

NOW, WHAT I'M MARVELLING AT IS THE ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF COVERAGE NOW, WHAT I'M MARVELLING AT IS THE ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF COVERAGE THAT SHE HAS GOTTEN VERSUS THE THE ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF COVERAGE THAT SHE HAS GOTTEN VERSUS THE ALMOST COMPLETE LACK OF THAT SHE HAS GOTTEN VERSUS THE ALMOST COMPLETE LACK OF ATTENTION THAT WE HAVE GIVEN TO ALMOST COMPLETE LACK OF ATTENTION THAT WE HAVE GIVEN TO THIS PHILADELPHIA ABORTIONIST ATTENTION THAT WE HAVE GIVEN TO THIS PHILADELPHIA ABORTIONIST WHO WAS -- CONVICTED OF MURDER THIS PHILADELPHIA ABORTIONIST WHO WAS -- CONVICTED OF MURDER AND HAD TERRIBLE, GRUESOME, WHO WAS -- CONVICTED OF MURDER AND HAD TERRIBLE, GRUESOME, ACTUAL -- AND HAD TERRIBLE, GRUESOME, ACTUAL -- >> WHILE HIS TRIAL WAS GOING ON, ACTUAL -- >> WHILE HIS TRIAL WAS GOING ON, I KNOW THAT WAS IT A COMPLAINT >> WHILE HIS TRIAL WAS GOING ON, I KNOW THAT WAS IT A COMPLAINT OF CONSERVATIVES IN THE VERY I KNOW THAT WAS IT A COMPLAINT OF CONSERVATIVES IN THE VERY BEGINNING, BUT ONCE HIS TRIAL OF CONSERVATIVES IN THE VERY BEGINNING, BUT ONCE HIS TRIAL STARTED, IT GOT ENORMOUS -- LIKE BEGINNING, BUT ONCE HIS TRIAL STARTED, IT GOT ENORMOUS -- LIKE FOUR MONTHS.

STARTED, IT GOT ENORMOUS -- LIKE FOUR MONTHS.

>> MONTHS AFTER IT STARTED, IT FOUR MONTHS.

>> MONTHS AFTER IT STARTED, IT GOT SOME ATTENTION.

>> MONTHS AFTER IT STARTED, IT GOT SOME ATTENTION.

>> THAT WAS A RESULT OF GOT SOME ATTENTION.

>> THAT WAS A RESULT OF CONSERVATIVES BRINGING ATTENTION >> THAT WAS A RESULT OF CONSERVATIVES BRINGING ATTENTION TO IT.

CONSERVATIVES BRINGING ATTENTION TO IT.

IN FACT, MOST OF THE MAINSTREAM TO IT.

IN FACT, MOST OF THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA HAS CREDITED CONSERVATIVES IN FACT, MOST OF THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA HAS CREDITED CONSERVATIVES WITH BRINGING ATTENTION TO THAT.

MEDIA HAS CREDITED CONSERVATIVES WITH BRINGING ATTENTION TO THAT.

>> THERE'S NO PATTERN THERE.

WITH BRINGING ATTENTION TO THAT.

>> THERE'S NO PATTERN THERE.

THERE'S AmQ7Wç -- THAT WAS A >> THERE'S NO PATTERN THERE.

THERE'S AmQ7Wç -- THAT WAS A TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE CRIME.

THERE'S AmQ7Wç -- THAT WAS A TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE CRIME.

BUT TO SEE THE CRIME IN TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE CRIME.

BUT TO SEE THE CRIME IN PHILADELPHIA, YOU SAY THEY ARE BUT TO SEE THE CRIME IN PHILADELPHIA, YOU SAY THEY ARE LOOKING FOR ONE IN TEXAS, AND PHILADELPHIA, YOU SAY THEY ARE LOOKING FOR ONE IN TEXAS, AND THAT IS NOT GOING TO SHAPE HOW LOOKING FOR ONE IN TEXAS, AND THAT IS NOT GOING TO SHAPE HOW -- WHAT PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT -- THAT IS NOT GOING TO SHAPE HOW -- WHAT PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT -- >> ABORTION -- -- WHAT PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT -- >> ABORTION -- >> WHAT PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT A >> ABORTION -- >> WHAT PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT A BASIC CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT.

>> WHAT PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT A BASIC CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT.

>> ALL RIGHT.

BASIC CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT.

>> ALL RIGHT.

LET US KNOW YOU WHAT THINK.

>> ALL RIGHT.

LET US KNOW YOU WHAT THINK.

PLEASE FOLLOW ME ON TWITTER AT LET US KNOW YOU WHAT THINK.

PLEASE FOLLOW ME ON TWITTER AT BONNIE ERBE, FROM ABORTION PLEASE FOLLOW ME ON TWITTER AT BONNIE ERBE, FROM ABORTION RIGHTS TO MARRIAGE BENEFITS.

BONNIE ERBE, FROM ABORTION RIGHTS TO MARRIAGE BENEFITS.

>> ONCE CALIFORNIA AS EXPECTED RIGHTS TO MARRIAGE BENEFITS.

>> ONCE CALIFORNIA AS EXPECTED APPROVES SAME SEX MARRIAGE, >> ONCE CALIFORNIA AS EXPECTED APPROVES SAME SEX MARRIAGE, ALMOST ONE-THIRD OF AMERICANS APPROVES SAME SEX MARRIAGE, ALMOST ONE-THIRD OF AMERICANS WILL LIVE IN STATES WHERE IT'S ALMOST ONE-THIRD OF AMERICANS WILL LIVE IN STATES WHERE IT'S LEGAL.

WILL LIVE IN STATES WHERE IT'S LEGAL.

NEXT UP, AFTER THIS WEEK'S PAIR LEGAL.

NEXT UP, AFTER THIS WEEK'S PAIR OF SAME SEX MARRIAGE RULINGS NEXT UP, AFTER THIS WEEK'S PAIR OF SAME SEX MARRIAGE RULINGS FROM THE SUPREME COURT IS A OF SAME SEX MARRIAGE RULINGS FROM THE SUPREME COURT IS A SERIES OF STATE BY STATE BATTLES FROM THE SUPREME COURT IS A SERIES OF STATE BY STATE BATTLES THAT COULD EXPAND IT TO MORE SERIES OF STATE BY STATE BATTLES THAT COULD EXPAND IT TO MORE THAN THE CURRENT 13 STATES, AND THAT COULD EXPAND IT TO MORE THAN THE CURRENT 13 STATES, AND THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA.

THAN THE CURRENT 13 STATES, AND THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA.

THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA.

JUBILANT LGBT COUPLES ARE SIFT R JUBILANT LGBT COUPLES ARE SIFT R SIFTING THROUGH THE MYRIAD OF JUBILANT LGBT COUPLES ARE SIFT R SIFTING THROUGH THE MYRIAD OF BEP FITS THEY YOUR HONORED WHEN SIFTING THROUGH THE MYRIAD OF BEP FITS THEY YOUR HONORED WHEN THE JUSTICES STRUCK DOWN PART OF BEP FITS THEY YOUR HONORED WHEN THE JUSTICES STRUCK DOWN PART OF THE FEDERAL DEFENSE OF MARRIAGE THE JUSTICES STRUCK DOWN PART OF THE FEDERAL DEFENSE OF MARRIAGE ACT KNOWN AS DOMA.

THE FEDERAL DEFENSE OF MARRIAGE ACT KNOWN AS DOMA.

THE PART OF DOMA THAT STILL ACT KNOWN AS DOMA.

THE PART OF DOMA THAT STILL STANDS ALLOWS STATES TO FEE FUSE THE PART OF DOMA THAT STILL STANDS ALLOWS STATES TO FEE FUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE MARRIAGES OF GAY STANDS ALLOWS STATES TO FEE FUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE MARRIAGES OF GAY COUPLES FROM OTHER STATES.

TO ACKNOWLEDGE MARRIAGES OF GAY COUPLES FROM OTHER STATES.

BARACK OBAMA HAS DIRECTED THE COUPLES FROM OTHER STATES.

BARACK OBAMA HAS DIRECTED THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND CABINET TO BARACK OBAMA HAS DIRECTED THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND CABINET TO QUOTE, INSURE THIS DECISION ATTORNEY GENERAL AND CABINET TO QUOTE, INSURE THIS DECISION INCLUDING IMIMPLICATIONS FOR QUOTE, INSURE THIS DECISION INCLUDING IMIMPLICATIONS FOR FEDERAL BENEFITS AND OBLIGATIONS INCLUDING IMIMPLICATIONS FOR FEDERAL BENEFITS AND OBLIGATIONS IS IMPLEMENTED SWIFTLY AND FEDERAL BENEFITS AND OBLIGATIONS IS IMPLEMENTED SWIFTLY AND IS IMPLEMENTED SWIFTLY AND SMOOTHLY.

SMOOTHLY.

GAY RIGHTS SUPPORTERS SAY SMOOTHLY.

GAY RIGHTS SUPPORTERS SAY THEY'RE WORK IS NOT DONE UNTIL GAY RIGHTS SUPPORTERS SAY THEY'RE WORK IS NOT DONE UNTIL SAME SEX COUPLES CAN MARRY IN THEY'RE WORK IS NOT DONE UNTIL SAME SEX COUPLES CAN MARRY IN EVERY STATE.

SAME SEX COUPLES CAN MARRY IN EVERY STATE.

>> THIS IS OUR LIVES.

EVERY STATE.

>> THIS IS OUR LIVES.

THIS PIECE OF PAPER IS >> THIS IS OUR LIVES.

THIS PIECE OF PAPER IS FANTASTIC, AND I'M DEEPLY DEEPLY THIS PIECE OF PAPER IS FANTASTIC, AND I'M DEEPLY DEEPLY INDEBTED TO THE SUPREME COURT FANTASTIC, AND I'M DEEPLY DEEPLY INDEBTED TO THE SUPREME COURT FOR FINALLY GIVING US EQUALITY.

INDEBTED TO THE SUPREME COURT FOR FINALLY GIVING US EQUALITY.

BUT EVERY SINGLE DAY, THOUSANDS FOR FINALLY GIVING US EQUALITY.

BUT EVERY SINGLE DAY, THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF BUT EVERY SINGLE DAY, THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF GAY PEOPLE CAN'T PUT PARTNERS ON UPON THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF GAY PEOPLE CAN'T PUT PARTNERS ON HEALTH ININSURANCE.

GAY PEOPLE CAN'T PUT PARTNERS ON HEALTH ININSURANCE.

THEY CAN'T LEGAL INHERIT THEIR HEALTH ININSURANCE.

THEY CAN'T LEGAL INHERIT THEIR PARTNER'S ESTATES.

THEY CAN'T LEGAL INHERIT THEIR PARTNER'S ESTATES.

>> IT'S A MAJOR WAY AND A STEP PARTNER'S ESTATES.

>> IT'S A MAJOR WAY AND A STEP FORWARD IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION >> IT'S A MAJOR WAY AND A STEP FORWARD IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND SOMETHING THAT WE'LL KEEP FORWARD IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND SOMETHING THAT WE'LL KEEP FIGHTING FOR STATE BY STATE SO AND SOMETHING THAT WE'LL KEEP FIGHTING FOR STATE BY STATE SO WE CAN HAVE MARRIAGE EQUALITY FIGHTING FOR STATE BY STATE SO WE CAN HAVE MARRIAGE EQUALITY COAST TO COAST ACROSS THE AMBER WE CAN HAVE MARRIAGE EQUALITY COAST TO COAST ACROSS THE AMBER WAVES OF GRAIN.

COAST TO COAST ACROSS THE AMBER WAVES OF GRAIN.

SO, AISHA MOODIE MILLS, WELCOME WAVES OF GRAIN.

SO, AISHA MOODIE MILLS, WELCOME TO THE PANEL.

SO, AISHA MOODIE MILLS, WELCOME TO THE PANEL.

>> GLAD TO BE HERE.

TO THE PANEL.

>> GLAD TO BE HERE.

>> FIGHT TO GET GAY MARRIAGE IN >> GLAD TO BE HERE.

>> FIGHT TO GET GAY MARRIAGE IN 30% OF THE COUNTRY, WHERE IT IS >> FIGHT TO GET GAY MARRIAGE IN 30% OF THE COUNTRY, WHERE IT IS NOW, BUT THE OTHER 70%.

30% OF THE COUNTRY, WHERE IT IS NOW, BUT THE OTHER 70%.

HOW BIG A FIGHT IS THAT GOING TO NOW, BUT THE OTHER 70%.

HOW BIG A FIGHT IS THAT GOING TO BE?

HOW BIG A FIGHT IS THAT GOING TO BE?

>> IT'S STILL A CONTINUED BATTLE BE?

>> IT'S STILL A CONTINUED BATTLE AND CONTINUED FIGHT.

>> IT'S STILL A CONTINUED BATTLE AND CONTINUED FIGHT.

THERE WAS A HUGE VUK TRI, AND CONTINUED FIGHT.

THERE WAS A HUGE VUK TRI, OBVIOUSLY THIS WEEK WAS GREAT THERE WAS A HUGE VUK TRI, OBVIOUSLY THIS WEEK WAS GREAT AND THE SUPREME COURT COMING OBVIOUSLY THIS WEEK WAS GREAT AND THE SUPREME COURT COMING DOWN.

AND THE SUPREME COURT COMING DOWN.

AT THE VERY LEAST, WE'RE GOING DOWN.

AT THE VERY LEAST, WE'RE GOING TO TREAT THIS COUNTRY FAIRLY.

AT THE VERY LEAST, WE'RE GOING TO TREAT THIS COUNTRY FAIRLY.

IN ALL OF THE STATE WHERE THE TO TREAT THIS COUNTRY FAIRLY.

IN ALL OF THE STATE WHERE THE SAME SEX MARRIAGE IS LEGAL, THE IN ALL OF THE STATE WHERE THE SAME SEX MARRIAGE IS LEGAL, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SAYS WE HAVE SAME SEX MARRIAGE IS LEGAL, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SAYS WE HAVE TO TREAT THOSE PEOPLE THE WAY FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SAYS WE HAVE TO TREAT THOSE PEOPLE THE WAY THE STATES SEE THEM AND THAT'S TO TREAT THOSE PEOPLE THE WAY THE STATES SEE THEM AND THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.

THE STATES SEE THEM AND THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.

WE ONLY HAVE 13 STATES SO FAR WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.

WE ONLY HAVE 13 STATES SO FAR AND THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA, WE ONLY HAVE 13 STATES SO FAR AND THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA, WHICH I WAS PART OF THE MARRIAGE AND THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA, WHICH I WAS PART OF THE MARRIAGE EQUALITY CAMPAIGN, SO THERE'S WHICH I WAS PART OF THE MARRIAGE EQUALITY CAMPAIGN, SO THERE'S TECHNICALLY 14 JURISDICTIONS AND EQUALITY CAMPAIGN, SO THERE'S TECHNICALLY 14 JURISDICTIONS AND THERE ARE A HOST OF STATES TO TECHNICALLY 14 JURISDICTIONS AND THERE ARE A HOST OF STATES TO DEAL WITH AND THERE ARE BARRIERS THERE ARE A HOST OF STATES TO DEAL WITH AND THERE ARE BARRIERS TO BEING ABLE TO ACHIEVE DEAL WITH AND THERE ARE BARRIERS TO BEING ABLE TO ACHIEVE MARRIAGE EQUALITY THERE.

TO BEING ABLE TO ACHIEVE MARRIAGE EQUALITY THERE.

THERE'S CONSTITUTIONAL MARRIAGE EQUALITY THERE.

THERE'S CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS ON THE BOOKS THAT BAN THERE'S CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS ON THE BOOKS THAT BAN MARRIAGE EQUALITY.

AMENDMENTS ON THE BOOKS THAT BAN MARRIAGE EQUALITY.

w÷ THAT, THERE'S A LOT OF MARRIAGE EQUALITY.

w÷ THAT, THERE'S A LOT OF ENERGY AND WORK TO BE DONE STILL w÷ THAT, THERE'S A LOT OF ENERGY AND WORK TO BE DONE STILL AROUND LGBT RIGHTS.

ENERGY AND WORK TO BE DONE STILL AROUND LGBT RIGHTS.

WE'RE STILL IN A SITUATION WHERE AROUND LGBT RIGHTS.

WE'RE STILL IN A SITUATION WHERE IN MORE THAN HALF OF THE STATES WE'RE STILL IN A SITUATION WHERE IN MORE THAN HALF OF THE STATES IN THIS COUNTRY, I COULD BE IN MORE THAN HALF OF THE STATES IN THIS COUNTRY, I COULD BE FIRED FROM MY JOB SIMPLY BECAUSE IN THIS COUNTRY, I COULD BE FIRED FROM MY JOB SIMPLY BECAUSE I'M GAY.

FIRED FROM MY JOB SIMPLY BECAUSE I'M GAY.

FOR NO OTHER REASON THAN THAT.

I'M GAY.

FOR NO OTHER REASON THAN THAT.

GETTING MARRIED IS WONDERFUL FOR FOR NO OTHER REASON THAN THAT.

GETTING MARRIED IS WONDERFUL FOR PEOPLE WHO CHOOSE TO BE MARRIED GETTING MARRIED IS WONDERFUL FOR PEOPLE WHO CHOOSE TO BE MARRIED AND WANT TO BE MARRIED, IT'S PEOPLE WHO CHOOSE TO BE MARRIED AND WANT TO BE MARRIED, IT'S GREAT.

AND WANT TO BE MARRIED, IT'S GREAT.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHEN YOU GET GREAT.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHEN YOU GET MARRIED, IF YOU CAN'T PUT A IT DOESN'T MATTER WHEN YOU GET MARRIED, IF YOU CAN'T PUT A PICTURE OF YOUR SPOUSE ON THE MARRIED, IF YOU CAN'T PUT A PICTURE OF YOUR SPOUSE ON THE DESK.

PICTURE OF YOUR SPOUSE ON THE DESK.

THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT NEEDS DESK.

THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

>> THE DEBATE IS GOING TO TO BE DONE.

>> THE DEBATE IS GOING TO CONTINUE ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND >> THE DEBATE IS GOING TO CONTINUE ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND THE STATES WILL BE THE LEADERS.

CONTINUE ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND THE STATES WILL BE THE LEADERS.

WE SAW TED OLSON AND DAVID THE STATES WILL BE THE LEADERS.

WE SAW TED OLSON AND DAVID BOIES, THE CHALLENGERS TO THE WE SAW TED OLSON AND DAVID BOIES, THE CHALLENGERS TO THE LAWS WENT TO THE COURT TO SEEK A BOIES, THE CHALLENGERS TO THE LAWS WENT TO THE COURT TO SEEK A REDEFINITION NATIONWIDE OF WHAT LAWS WENT TO THE COURT TO SEEK A REDEFINITION NATIONWIDE OF WHAT MARRIAGE IS AND THEY DID NOT REDEFINITION NATIONWIDE OF WHAT MARRIAGE IS AND THEY DID NOT ACHIEVE THAT.

MARRIAGE IS AND THEY DID NOT ACHIEVE THAT.

SO, WHAT THIS MEANS IS THAT ACHIEVE THAT.

SO, WHAT THIS MEANS IS THAT AMERICANS' VOICES ARE MORE SO, WHAT THIS MEANS IS THAT AMERICANS' VOICES ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN EVER AND WE AMERICANS' VOICES ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN EVER AND WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO STAND UP FOR IMPORTANT THAN EVER AND WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO STAND UP FOR MARRIAGE AS THE UNION OF ONE MAN SHOULD CONTINUE TO STAND UP FOR MARRIAGE AS THE UNION OF ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN IN THE INTEREST OF MARRIAGE AS THE UNION OF ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN IN THE INTEREST OF CHILDREN AND WE SHOULD STAND UP AND ONE WOMAN IN THE INTEREST OF CHILDREN AND WE SHOULD STAND UP FOR AMERICANS' FREEDOM TO MAKE CHILDREN AND WE SHOULD STAND UP FOR AMERICANS' FREEDOM TO MAKE MARRIAGE POLICY DEMOCRATICALLY.

FOR AMERICANS' FREEDOM TO MAKE MARRIAGE POLICY DEMOCRATICALLY.

THIS SHOULDN'T BE SOMETHING THAT MARRIAGE POLICY DEMOCRATICALLY.

THIS SHOULDN'T BE SOMETHING THAT THE COURT DECIDE.

THIS SHOULDN'T BE SOMETHING THAT THE COURT DECIDE.

>> I AGREE IT'S STILL THE COURT DECIDE.

>> I AGREE IT'S STILL CONTROVERSIAL, BUT WHAT I HAD >> I AGREE IT'S STILL CONTROVERSIAL, BUT WHAT I HAD THOUGHT WOULD NOT BE CONTROVERSY CONTROVERSIAL, BUT WHAT I HAD THOUGHT WOULD NOT BE CONTROVERSY IS THE DEFENSE AGAINST MARRIAGE THOUGHT WOULD NOT BE CONTROVERSY IS THE DEFENSE AGAINST MARRIAGE ACT.

IS THE DEFENSE AGAINST MARRIAGE ACT.

HERE'S AN ACT THAT WE PASSED IN ACT.

HERE'S AN ACT THAT WE PASSED IN THE LATE '90s IN CONGRESS WHICH HERE'S AN ACT THAT WE PASSED IN THE LATE '90s IN CONGRESS WHICH I WOULD THINK LIBERTARIANS -- THE LATE '90s IN CONGRESS WHICH I WOULD THINK LIBERTARIANS -- >> YOU SAID DEFENSE AGAINST, YOU I WOULD THINK LIBERTARIANS -- >> YOU SAID DEFENSE AGAINST, YOU KNOW, YOU SAID THE NAME OF THE >> YOU SAID DEFENSE AGAINST, YOU KNOW, YOU SAID THE NAME OF THE BILL IS DEFENSE OF.

KNOW, YOU SAID THE NAME OF THE BILL IS DEFENSE OF.

>> YOU CAUGHT YOURSELF.

BILL IS DEFENSE OF.

>> YOU CAUGHT YOURSELF.

>> I DIDHAT.T+bRáT( >> YOU CAUGHT YOURSELF.

>> I DIDHAT.T+bRáT( WE PASSED THIS, AND -- IN THE >> I DIDHAT.T+bRáT( WE PASSED THIS, AND -- IN THE LATE '90s, OVERWHELMINGLY, BY WE PASSED THIS, AND -- IN THE LATE '90s, OVERWHELMINGLY, BY THE WAY.

LATE '90s, OVERWHELMINGLY, BY THE WAY.

DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS.

THE WAY.

DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS.

>> PRESIDENT CLINTON SIGNED IT.

DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS.

>> PRESIDENT CLINTON SIGNED IT.

>> BUT IF YOU SAKE AWAY THE GAY >> PRESIDENT CLINTON SIGNED IT.

>> BUT IF YOU SAKE AWAY THE GAY OVERLAY OF THIS BILL, YOU WOULD >> BUT IF YOU SAKE AWAY THE GAY OVERLAY OF THIS BILL, YOU WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT CONSERVATIVES, OVERLAY OF THIS BILL, YOU WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT CONSERVATIVES, SMALL GOVERNMENT FEDERALISTS AND HAVE THOUGHT THAT CONSERVATIVES, SMALL GOVERNMENT FEDERALISTS AND LIBERTARIANS WOULD HAVE BEEN SMALL GOVERNMENT FEDERALISTS AND LIBERTARIANS WOULD HAVE BEEN APPALLED THAT THE GOVERNMENT LIBERTARIANS WOULD HAVE BEEN APPALLED THAT THE GOVERNMENT WOULD SAY THAT THE STATE COULD APPALLED THAT THE GOVERNMENT WOULD SAY THAT THE STATE COULD NOT -- COULD NOT RECOGNIZE WOULD SAY THAT THE STATE COULD NOT -- COULD NOT RECOGNIZE WHATEVER MARRIAGES THEY DESIRE, NOT -- COULD NOT RECOGNIZE WHATEVER MARRIAGES THEY DESIRE, SINCE MARRIAGE IS ENTIRELY A WHATEVER MARRIAGES THEY DESIRE, SINCE MARRIAGE IS ENTIRELY A STATE FUNCTION.

SINCE MARRIAGE IS ENTIRELY A STATE FUNCTION.

>> WELL, THAT -- AND I -- IN STATE FUNCTION.

>> WELL, THAT -- AND I -- IN READING THIS SCALIA DISSENT, I >> WELL, THAT -- AND I -- IN READING THIS SCALIA DISSENT, I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT I COVERED READING THIS SCALIA DISSENT, I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT I COVERED THE COURT FOR NINE YEARS AND I'M HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT I COVERED THE COURT FOR NINE YEARS AND I'M A CLOSET LAWYER.

THE COURT FOR NINE YEARS AND I'M A CLOSET LAWYER.

I JUST OUTED MYSELF, I GUESS.

A CLOSET LAWYER.

I JUST OUTED MYSELF, I GUESS.

BUT SCALIA'S DISSINT WHICH WAS I JUST OUTED MYSELF, I GUESS.

BUT SCALIA'S DISSINT WHICH WAS BRILLIANTLY WRITTEN.

BUT SCALIA'S DISSINT WHICH WAS BRILLIANTLY WRITTEN.

I COMMEND IT TO EVERYBODY.

BRILLIANTLY WRITTEN.

I COMMEND IT TO EVERYBODY.

HE IS A FABULOUS.

I COMMEND IT TO EVERYBODY.

HE IS A FABULOUS.

HE'S THE BEST WRITER ON THE HE IS A FABULOUS.

HE'S THE BEST WRITER ON THE BENCH, ON THAT BENCH, NO DOUBT.

HE'S THE BEST WRITER ON THE BENCH, ON THAT BENCH, NO DOUBT.

BUT HE WAS -- IT WAS ALL ABOUT BENCH, ON THAT BENCH, NO DOUBT.

BUT HE WAS -- IT WAS ALL ABOUT HOW THE SUPREME COURT MADE BUT HE WAS -- IT WAS ALL ABOUT HOW THE SUPREME COURT MADE ITSELF TOO IMPORTANT AND HOW THE SUPREME COURT MADE ITSELF TOO IMPORTANT AND OVERRODE CONGRESS.

ITSELF TOO IMPORTANT AND OVERRODE CONGRESS.

NOW, IF HE'S TRULY A OVERRODE CONGRESS.

NOW, IF HE'S TRULY A CONSERVATIVE AND TRULY A STATES NOW, IF HE'S TRULY A CONSERVATIVE AND TRULY A STATES RIGHTS PERSON, HE SHOULD HAVE CONSERVATIVE AND TRULY A STATES RIGHTS PERSON, HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS RIGHTS PERSON, HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS CASE.

BEEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS CASE.

>> AND THAT'S JUST -- CASE.

>> AND THAT'S JUST -- >> ONE OF THE DEMANDS.

>> AND THAT'S JUST -- >> ONE OF THE DEMANDS.

>> AND THERE'S HYPOCRISY WITH >> ONE OF THE DEMANDS.

>> AND THERE'S HYPOCRISY WITH ALL OF THIS, TO GO BACK TO A >> AND THERE'S HYPOCRISY WITH ALL OF THIS, TO GO BACK TO A POINT THAT YOU MADE.

ALL OF THIS, TO GO BACK TO A POINT THAT YOU MADE.

THIS IS ABSOLUTELY A CRITICAL POINT THAT YOU MADE.

THIS IS ABSOLUTELY A CRITICAL TIME FOR AMERICAN VOICES.

THIS IS ABSOLUTELY A CRITICAL TIME FOR AMERICAN VOICES.

WHAT'S REALLY INTERESTING TO TIME FOR AMERICAN VOICES.

WHAT'S REALLY INTERESTING TO WATCH IN THE SHORT AMOUNT OF WHAT'S REALLY INTERESTING TO WATCH IN THE SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME THAT YOU HAVE BEEN WATCH IN THE SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME THAT YOU HAVE BEEN PARTICIPATING IN THIS WORK IS TIME THAT YOU HAVE BEEN PARTICIPATING IN THIS WORK IS THAT WE HAVE SEEN SO MUCH PARTICIPATING IN THIS WORK IS THAT WE HAVE SEEN SO MUCH MOMENTUM, NOT POLITICALLY.

THAT WE HAVE SEEN SO MUCH MOMENTUM, NOT POLITICALLY.

I MEAN I KNOW WE ALL SIT AROUND MOMENTUM, NOT POLITICALLY.

I MEAN I KNOW WE ALL SIT AROUND AND LIKE TO PLAY THE POLITICAL I MEAN I KNOW WE ALL SIT AROUND AND LIKE TO PLAY THE POLITICAL SHOTS ABOUT THIS.

AND LIKE TO PLAY THE POLITICAL SHOTS ABOUT THIS.

BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE GENERAL SHOTS ABOUT THIS.

BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE GENERAL PUBLIC'S OPINION, THE BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE GENERAL PUBLIC'S OPINION, THE OVERWHELMING SUPPORT AMONG PUBLIC'S OPINION, THE OVERWHELMING SUPPORT AMONG MILLENIALS AMONG COMMUNITIES OF OVERWHELMING SUPPORT AMONG MILLENIALS AMONG COMMUNITIES OF COLOR THAT WILL ON THE RISE AND MILLENIALS AMONG COMMUNITIES OF COLOR THAT WILL ON THE RISE AND AMONG THE ENTIRE COUNTRY, 90% OF COLOR THAT WILL ON THE RISE AND AMONG THE ENTIRE COUNTRY, 90% OF PEOPLE THINK GAY PEOPLE SHOULD AMONG THE ENTIRE COUNTRY, 90% OF PEOPLE THINK GAY PEOPLE SHOULD BE TREATED LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE PEOPLE THINK GAY PEOPLE SHOULD BE TREATED LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE IN AMERICA.

BE TREATED LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE IN AMERICA.

ALSO HAVE MORE THAN HALF OF IN AMERICA.

ALSO HAVE MORE THAN HALF OF AMERICANS SIGNIFICANTLY BELIEVE ALSO HAVE MORE THAN HALF OF AMERICANS SIGNIFICANTLY BELIEVE THAT GAY PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE AMERICANS SIGNIFICANTLY BELIEVE THAT GAY PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET MARRIED TO WHOEVER IT IS THAT GAY PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET MARRIED TO WHOEVER IT IS THAT THEY LOVE.

TO GET MARRIED TO WHOEVER IT IS THAT THEY LOVE.

THE HISTORY, THE MORAL ARC OF THAT THEY LOVE.

THE HISTORY, THE MORAL ARC OF HISTORY IS ON THE SIDE OF THE HISTORY, THE MORAL ARC OF HISTORY IS ON THE SIDE OF EQUALITY AND HAS BEEN.

HISTORY IS ON THE SIDE OF EQUALITY AND HAS BEEN.

YOU ARE SEEING THE PUBLIC EQUALITY AND HAS BEEN.

YOU ARE SEEING THE PUBLIC SENTIMENT FOLLOW THAT AS WELL.

YOU ARE SEEING THE PUBLIC SENTIMENT FOLLOW THAT AS WELL.

>> SEEKING OF MILLENIALS AND SENTIMENT FOLLOW THAT AS WELL.

>> SEEKING OF MILLENIALS AND LIBERTARIANS AS A LOT OF YOUNG >> SEEKING OF MILLENIALS AND LIBERTARIANS AS A LOT OF YOUNG PEOPLE WHO ARE CENTER-RIGHT TEND LIBERTARIANS AS A LOT OF YOUNG PEOPLE WHO ARE CENTER-RIGHT TEND TO TREND LIBERTARIAN, WITH A PEOPLE WHO ARE CENTER-RIGHT TEND TO TREND LIBERTARIAN, WITH A LOWER CASE L. TO TREND LIBERTARIAN, WITH A LOWER CASE L. I DON'T THINK THAT YOU ARE WRONG LOWER CASE L. I DON'T THINK THAT YOU ARE WRONG THAT YOUNG PEOPLE AND I DON'T THINK THAT YOU ARE WRONG THAT YOUNG PEOPLE AND LIBERTARIANS DO TEND TO FAVOR THAT YOUNG PEOPLE AND LIBERTARIANS DO TEND TO FAVOR THE DECISION THAT WAS MADE LIBERTARIANS DO TEND TO FAVOR THE DECISION THAT WAS MADE BECAUSE IT SHOULD BE UP TO THE DECISION THAT WAS MADE BECAUSE IT SHOULD BE UP TO STATES TO DETERMINE THIS GOING BECAUSE IT SHOULD BE UP TO STATES TO DETERMINE THIS GOING BACK TO WHAT I SAID EARLIER STATES TO DETERMINE THIS GOING BACK TO WHAT I SAID EARLIER ABOUT STATES' RIGHTS.

BACK TO WHAT I SAID EARLIER ABOUT STATES' RIGHTS.

HOWEVER, WHEN YOU JUMP TO THE ABOUT STATES' RIGHTS.

HOWEVER, WHEN YOU JUMP TO THE OTHER CASE, WHAT MAKES ME UPSET HOWEVER, WHEN YOU JUMP TO THE OTHER CASE, WHAT MAKES ME UPSET IS THAT IN THAT CASE, THEY SAID OTHER CASE, WHAT MAKES ME UPSET IS THAT IN THAT CASE, THEY SAID THAT THE STATE HAS THE RIGHT TO IS THAT IN THAT CASE, THEY SAID THAT THE STATE HAS THE RIGHT TO DETERMINE IT, BUT THE PEOPLE OF THAT THE STATE HAS THE RIGHT TO DETERMINE IT, BUT THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT DETERMINE IT, BUT THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO DETERMINE THAT REFERENDUMS THE STATE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO DETERMINE THAT REFERENDUMS APPARENTLY MEAN NOTHING AND THAT TO DETERMINE THAT REFERENDUMS APPARENTLY MEAN NOTHING AND THAT WHAT PEOPLE DIRECTLY WROTE IT ON APPARENTLY MEAN NOTHING AND THAT WHAT PEOPLE DIRECTLY WROTE IT ON -- VOTED ON, THAT THE STATE CAN WHAT PEOPLE DIRECTLY WROTE IT ON -- VOTED ON, THAT THE STATE CAN OVERRIDE THAT AND THAT'S A -- VOTED ON, THAT THE STATE CAN OVERRIDE THAT AND THAT'S A PROBLEM.

OVERRIDE THAT AND THAT'S A PROBLEM.

>> THAT'S AN INTERPRETATION OF PROBLEM.

>> THAT'S AN INTERPRETATION OF WHAT THAT WAS.

>> THAT'S AN INTERPRETATION OF WHAT THAT WAS.

IF YOU ACTUALLY INTERPRET IT TO WHAT THAT WAS.

IF YOU ACTUALLY INTERPRET IT TO BE WHAT HAPPENED IS THAT IN MOST IF YOU ACTUALLY INTERPRET IT TO BE WHAT HAPPENED IS THAT IN MOST PLACES AND THIS IS SOMETHING BE WHAT HAPPENED IS THAT IN MOST PLACES AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD SPEEG TO IN TERMS PLACES AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD SPEEG TO IN TERMS OF THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA, THAT YOU COULD SPEEG TO IN TERMS OF THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA, BECAUSE IT'S ALSO THE LAW HERE OF THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA, BECAUSE IT'S ALSO THE LAW HERE AND THERE IS NOT A IGS SWA AND BECAUSE IT'S ALSO THE LAW HERE AND THERE IS NOT A IGS SWA AND THERE SHOULD NEVER BE A AND THERE IS NOT A IGS SWA AND THERE SHOULD NEVER BE A SITUATION AND THIS WAS RULED ON THERE SHOULD NEVER BE A SITUATION AND THIS WAS RULED ON IN CALIFORNIA WHERE PEOPLE CAN SITUATION AND THIS WAS RULED ON IN CALIFORNIA WHERE PEOPLE CAN VOTE1 █ ON THE BA IN CALIFORNIA WHERE PEOPLE CAN VOTE1 █ ON THE BA THEIR NEIGHBORS.

VOTE1 █ ON THE BA THEIR NEIGHBORS.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT DECIDING THEIR NEIGHBORS.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT DECIDING WHO THE LOCAL DOG CATCHER IS WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT DECIDING WHO THE LOCAL DOG CATCHER IS GOING TO BE HERE.

WHO THE LOCAL DOG CATCHER IS GOING TO BE HERE.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT DECIDING GOING TO BE HERE.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT DECIDING WHETHER OR NOT YOU ARE GOING TO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT DECIDING WHETHER OR NOT YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE LIKE NEW STREETS PAVED WHETHER OR NOT YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE LIKE NEW STREETS PAVED TOMORROW.

HAVE LIKE NEW STREETS PAVED TOMORROW.

THIS IS ABOUT THE FUNDAMENTAL TOMORROW.

THIS IS ABOUT THE FUNDAMENTAL CORE, EQUAL RIGHTS AND CIVIL THIS IS ABOUT THE FUNDAMENTAL CORE, EQUAL RIGHTS AND CIVIL LIBERTIES OF NEIGHBORS.

CORE, EQUAL RIGHTS AND CIVIL LIBERTIES OF NEIGHBORS.

AND -- LIBERTIES OF NEIGHBORS.

AND -- >> UNFORTUNATELY, AND THE AND -- >> UNFORTUNATELY, AND THE PRECEDENT IS THAT YOU CAN'T VOTE >> UNFORTUNATELY, AND THE PRECEDENT IS THAT YOU CAN'T VOTE ON THAT, AND THAT'S WHY THAT WAS PRECEDENT IS THAT YOU CAN'T VOTE ON THAT, AND THAT'S WHY THAT WAS OVERTURNED.

ON THAT, AND THAT'S WHY THAT WAS OVERTURNED.

>> QUICKLY, I -- THEN WE HAVE 0 OVERTURNED.

>> QUICKLY, I -- THEN WE HAVE 0 GO.

>> QUICKLY, I -- THEN WE HAVE 0 GO.

>> FORTUNATELY FOR LEGAL GO.

>> FORTUNATELY FOR LEGAL PRECEDENT, I WORRY WHAT THIS >> FORTUNATELY FOR LEGAL PRECEDENT, I WORRY WHAT THIS WILL DO TO ORE REFERENDUMS IN PRECEDENT, I WORRY WHAT THIS WILL DO TO ORE REFERENDUMS IN CALIFORNIA.

WILL DO TO ORE REFERENDUMS IN CALIFORNIA.

>> BEHIND YOU AND THANK YOU VERY CALIFORNIA.

>> BEHIND YOU AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH -- THANK YOU FOR JOINING US >> BEHIND YOU AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH -- THANK YOU FOR JOINING US FOR THIS SEGMENT.

MUCH -- THANK YOU FOR JOINING US FOR THIS SEGMENT.

BEHIND THE HEADLINES.

FOR THIS SEGMENT.

BEHIND THE HEADLINES.

FLEXISM.

BEHIND THE HEADLINES.

FLEXISM.

MANY WORK RELY ON WORKPLACE FLEXISM.

MANY WORK RELY ON WORKPLACE FLEXIBILITY BUT SINCE YAHOO CEO MANY WORK RELY ON WORKPLACE FLEXIBILITY BUT SINCE YAHOO CEO MARISSA MAYER BANNED FLEXIBILITY BUT SINCE YAHOO CEO MARISSA MAYER BANNED TELECOMMUTING THE AT WEB GIANT, MARISSA MAYER BANNED TELECOMMUTING THE AT WEB GIANT, THE PRACTICE IS UNDER SCRUTINY.

TELECOMMUTING THE AT WEB GIANT, THE PRACTICE IS UNDER SCRUTINY.

CAROL EVANS, THE PRESIDENT OF THE PRACTICE IS UNDER SCRUTINY.

CAROL EVANS, THE PRESIDENT OF WORKING MOTHER MAGAZINE SAYS CAROL EVANS, THE PRESIDENT OF WORKING MOTHER MAGAZINE SAYS FLEX IS UNDER ATTACK.

WORKING MOTHER MAGAZINE SAYS FLEX IS UNDER ATTACK.

>> THE WAY THAT THAT HITS A FLEX IS UNDER ATTACK.

>> THE WAY THAT THAT HITS A MIDDLE MANAGER, OR A PERSON WHO >> THE WAY THAT THAT HITS A MIDDLE MANAGER, OR A PERSON WHO IS NOT SOPHISTICATED ABOUT FLEX MIDDLE MANAGER, OR A PERSON WHO IS NOT SOPHISTICATED ABOUT FLEX IS THIS -- HEY, THAT WOMAN CEO, IS NOT SOPHISTICATED ABOUT FLEX IS THIS -- HEY, THAT WOMAN CEO, SHE IS PULLING PEOPLE BACK AND IS THIS -- HEY, THAT WOMAN CEO, SHE IS PULLING PEOPLE BACK AND SAYING THEY NEED TO WORK ELBOW SHE IS PULLING PEOPLE BACK AND SAYING THEY NEED TO WORK ELBOW TO ELBOW.

SAYING THEY NEED TO WORK ELBOW TO ELBOW.

MAYBE WE NEED TO DO THAT, TOO.

TO ELBOW.

MAYBE WE NEED TO DO THAT, TOO.

HEY, THERE'S A WOMAN WHO IS MAYBE WE NEED TO DO THAT, TOO.

HEY, THERE'S A WOMAN WHO IS TALKING ABOUT THE PROBLEMS OF HEY, THERE'S A WOMAN WHO IS TALKING ABOUT THE PROBLEMS OF FLEXIBILITY.

TALKING ABOUT THE PROBLEMS OF FLEXIBILITY.

LET'S EXAMINE THE PROBLEMS FLEXIBILITY.

LET'S EXAMINE THE PROBLEMS OURSELVES.

LET'S EXAMINE THE PROBLEMS OURSELVES.

AND SO, INSTEAD OF FLEX BEING OURSELVES.

AND SO, INSTEAD OF FLEX BEING THE RALLYING CRY THAT WE'RE ALL AND SO, INSTEAD OF FLEX BEING THE RALLYING CRY THAT WE'RE ALL CHAMPIONING, IT'S SUDDENLY THE RALLYING CRY THAT WE'RE ALL CHAMPIONING, IT'S SUDDENLY BECOMES AN ISSUE TO LOOK AT, AND CHAMPIONING, IT'S SUDDENLY BECOMES AN ISSUE TO LOOK AT, AND EXAMINE.

BECOMES AN ISSUE TO LOOK AT, AND EXAMINE.

>> CAROL EVANS COINED A NEW WORD EXAMINE.

>> CAROL EVANS COINED A NEW WORD FOR THIS KIND OF DISPARAGEMENT, >> CAROL EVANS COINED A NEW WORD FOR THIS KIND OF DISPARAGEMENT, FLEXISM.

FOR THIS KIND OF DISPARAGEMENT, FLEXISM.

>> THE WORD FLEXISM CON NOTES TO FLEXISM.

>> THE WORD FLEXISM CON NOTES TO RACISM, SEXISM, AGEISM.

>> THE WORD FLEXISM CON NOTES TO RACISM, SEXISM, AGEISM.

IT'S A REACTION, UNJUSTIFIED RACISM, SEXISM, AGEISM.

IT'S A REACTION, UNJUSTIFIED AGAINST SOMETHING THAT IS JUST IT'S A REACTION, UNJUSTIFIED AGAINST SOMETHING THAT IS JUST THERE.

AGAINST SOMETHING THAT IS JUST THERE.

THERE BECOME AS CONFUSION THERE.

THERE BECOME AS CONFUSION BETWEEN PERFORMANCE AND FLEX.

THERE BECOME AS CONFUSION BETWEEN PERFORMANCE AND FLEX.

SO, IF SOMEONE IS WORKING BETWEEN PERFORMANCE AND FLEX.

SO, IF SOMEONE IS WORKING REMOTE, OR AT HOME TWO DAYS A SO, IF SOMEONE IS WORKING REMOTE, OR AT HOME TWO DAYS A WEEK OR COMING IN ON A DIFFERENT REMOTE, OR AT HOME TWO DAYS A WEEK OR COMING IN ON A DIFFERENT SCHEDULE, AND THERE'S A WEEK OR COMING IN ON A DIFFERENT SCHEDULE, AND THERE'S A PERFORMANCE ISSUE, THE MIDDLE SCHEDULE, AND THERE'S A PERFORMANCE ISSUE, THE MIDDLE MANAGER, THEN SAYS THIS IS A PERFORMANCE ISSUE, THE MIDDLE MANAGER, THEN SAYS THIS IS A FLEX ISSUE.

MANAGER, THEN SAYS THIS IS A FLEX ISSUE.

NO.

FLEX ISSUE.

NO.

THIS IS A PERFORMANCE ISSUE.

NO.

THIS IS A PERFORMANCE ISSUE.

>> EVANS DIDN'T COMMENT DIRECTLY THIS IS A PERFORMANCE ISSUE.

>> EVANS DIDN'T COMMENT DIRECTLY ON YAHOO'S BAN ON TELECOMMUTING >> EVANS DIDN'T COMMENT DIRECTLY ON YAHOO'S BAN ON TELECOMMUTING BUT SHE SAYS BLAMING FLEX TIME ON YAHOO'S BAN ON TELECOMMUTING BUT SHE SAYS BLAMING FLEX TIME WORK FOR PERFORMANCE ISSUES WILL BUT SHE SAYS BLAMING FLEX TIME WORK FOR PERFORMANCE ISSUES WILL RESULT IN LONG TERM LOSSES FOR WORK FOR PERFORMANCE ISSUES WILL RESULT IN LONG TERM LOSSES FOR COMPANIES.

RESULT IN LONG TERM LOSSES FOR COMPANIES.

>> I BELIEVE THAT FLEX CAN STAND COMPANIES.

>> I BELIEVE THAT FLEX CAN STAND UP TO ANY EXAMINATION.

>> I BELIEVE THAT FLEX CAN STAND UP TO ANY EXAMINATION.

YOU KNOW, I THINK THE COMPANIES UP TO ANY EXAMINATION.

YOU KNOW, I THINK THE COMPANIES THAT PULL BACK ON FLEX WILL PAY YOU KNOW, I THINK THE COMPANIES THAT PULL BACK ON FLEX WILL PAY THE PRICE.

THAT PULL BACK ON FLEX WILL PAY THE PRICE.

THEY'LL PAY THE PRICE IN HIGHER THE PRICE.

THEY'LL PAY THE PRICE IN HIGHER REAL ESTATE COSTS, HIGHER THEY'LL PAY THE PRICE IN HIGHER REAL ESTATE COSTS, HIGHER COMMUTING COSTS.

REAL ESTATE COSTS, HIGHER COMMUTING COSTS.

LOSS OF TALENT.

COMMUTING COSTS.

LOSS OF TALENT.

LOSS OF ENERGY ON THE JOB.

LOSS OF TALENT.

LOSS OF ENERGY ON THE JOB.

AND LOSS OF FOCUS FROM THEIR -- LOSS OF ENERGY ON THE JOB.

AND LOSS OF FOCUS FROM THEIR -- FROM THEIR EMPLOYEES WHO REALLY AND LOSS OF FOCUS FROM THEIR -- FROM THEIR EMPLOYEES WHO REALLY NEED FLEX.

FROM THEIR EMPLOYEES WHO REALLY NEED FLEX.

TO MAKE IT WORK.

NEED FLEX.

TO MAKE IT WORK.

>> WORKERS INCREASINGLY RELY ON TO MAKE IT WORK.

>> WORKERS INCREASINGLY RELY ON A VARIETY OF FLEX OPTIONS.

>> WORKERS INCREASINGLY RELY ON A VARIETY OF FLEX OPTIONS.

NOT JUST TELECOMMUTING, OR WORK A VARIETY OF FLEX OPTIONS.

NOT JUST TELECOMMUTING, OR WORK FROM HOME.

NOT JUST TELECOMMUTING, OR WORK FROM HOME.

>> THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THINGS FROM HOME.

>> THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT ARE WITHIN THE REALM OF >> THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT ARE WITHIN THE REALM OF FLEXIBLE WORK ARRANGEMENTS THAT THAT ARE WITHIN THE REALM OF FLEXIBLE WORK ARRANGEMENTS THAT ENCOMPASS ALMOST ALL JOB TYPES.

FLEXIBLE WORK ARRANGEMENTS THAT ENCOMPASS ALMOST ALL JOB TYPES.

EVERY JOB HAS TO BE LOOKED AT OR ENCOMPASS ALMOST ALL JOB TYPES.

EVERY JOB HAS TO BE LOOKED AT OR EVERY TYPE OF JOB OR TYPE OF EVERY JOB HAS TO BE LOOKED AT OR EVERY TYPE OF JOB OR TYPE OF INDUSTRY HAS TO BE LOOKED AT FOR EVERY TYPE OF JOB OR TYPE OF INDUSTRY HAS TO BE LOOKED AT FOR WHAT WORKS FOR THAT INDUSTRY HAS TO BE LOOKED AT FOR WHAT WORKS FOR THAT ORGANIZATION.

WHAT WORKS FOR THAT ORGANIZATION.

BUT THERE'S VERY LITTLE -- ORGANIZATION.

BUT THERE'S VERY LITTLE -- THERE'S VERY FEW JOBS THAT YOU BUT THERE'S VERY LITTLE -- THERE'S VERY FEW JOBS THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE SOME KIND OF THERE'S VERY FEW JOBS THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE SOME KIND OF FLEXIBILITY.

CAN'T HAVE SOME KIND OF FLEXIBILITY.

>> AND THIS KIND OF ARRANGEMENT FLEXIBILITY.

>> AND THIS KIND OF ARRANGEMENT IS BECOMING THE NORM AMONG YOUNG >> AND THIS KIND OF ARRANGEMENT IS BECOMING THE NORM AMONG YOUNG PEOPLE.

IS BECOMING THE NORM AMONG YOUNG PEOPLE.

EVANS SAYS YOUNGER GENERATIONS PEOPLE.

EVANS SAYS YOUNGER GENERATIONS EXPECT FLEX ABILITY IN THEIR EVANS SAYS YOUNGER GENERATIONS EXPECT FLEX ABILITY IN THEIR JOBS.

EXPECT FLEX ABILITY IN THEIR JOBS.

>> IT'S A GENERATIONAL ISSUE, TO JOBS.

>> IT'S A GENERATIONAL ISSUE, TO BEGIN WITH, BECAUSE YOUNG PEOPLE >> IT'S A GENERATIONAL ISSUE, TO BEGIN WITH, BECAUSE YOUNG PEOPLE NOT ONLY DO THEY HAVE THE BEGIN WITH, BECAUSE YOUNG PEOPLE NOT ONLY DO THEY HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY, TO USE FLEX IN A NOT ONLY DO THEY HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY, TO USE FLEX IN A REALLY CREATIVE WAY, BUT THE TECHNOLOGY, TO USE FLEX IN A REALLY CREATIVE WAY, BUT THE EXPECTATION IS RIGHT THERE, THEY REALLY CREATIVE WAY, BUT THE EXPECTATION IS RIGHT THERE, THEY HAVE BEEN FLEXING THEIR WHOLE EXPECTATION IS RIGHT THERE, THEY HAVE BEEN FLEXING THEIR WHOLE LIVES.

HAVE BEEN FLEXING THEIR WHOLE LIVES.

THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING REMOTELY LIVES.

THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING REMOTELY ON SCHOOL.

THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING REMOTELY ON SCHOOL.

THEY DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT ON SCHOOL.

THEY DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT HAVING A FACE-TO-FACE THEY DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT HAVING A FACE-TO-FACE CONVERSATION WITH THEIR FRIENDS.

HAVING A FACE-TO-FACE CONVERSATION WITH THEIR FRIENDS.

THEY TEXT.

CONVERSATION WITH THEIR FRIENDS.

THEY TEXT.

THEY DON'T EVEN CALL AND SO, THE THEY TEXT.

THEY DON'T EVEN CALL AND SO, THE GENERATION REALLY COMING UP THAT THEY DON'T EVEN CALL AND SO, THE GENERATION REALLY COMING UP THAT INCREDIBLY USED TO FLEX AND GENERATION REALLY COMING UP THAT INCREDIBLY USED TO FLEX AND THEY'RE GOING TO DEMAND IT, INCREDIBLY USED TO FLEX AND THEY'RE GOING TO DEMAND IT, WHICH IS WHY COMPANIES WHO PULL THEY'RE GOING TO DEMAND IT, WHICH IS WHY COMPANIES WHO PULL BACK FROM FLEX WILL GET PUNISHED WHICH IS WHY COMPANIES WHO PULL BACK FROM FLEX WILL GET PUNISHED BY THE WORKFORCE.

BACK FROM FLEX WILL GET PUNISHED BY THE WORKFORCE.

>> WHILE FLEX AS HAS ITS BY THE WORKFORCE.

>> WHILE FLEX AS HAS ITS OPPONENTS, EE HE VANS SAYS THE >> WHILE FLEX AS HAS ITS OPPONENTS, EE HE VANS SAYS THE MAJORITY OF BUSINESSES AND OPPONENTS, EE HE VANS SAYS THE MAJORITY OF BUSINESSES AND EMPLOYEES UNDERSTAND ITS VALUE.

MAJORITY OF BUSINESSES AND EMPLOYEES UNDERSTAND ITS VALUE.

>> WHAT FLEX DOES, WHAT IS SO EMPLOYEES UNDERSTAND ITS VALUE.

>> WHAT FLEX DOES, WHAT IS SO BEAUTIFUL ABOUT FLEX IS THAT IT >> WHAT FLEX DOES, WHAT IS SO BEAUTIFUL ABOUT FLEX IS THAT IT GIVES THE PERSON SOME FEELING OF BEAUTIFUL ABOUT FLEX IS THAT IT GIVES THE PERSON SOME FEELING OF CONTROL.

GIVES THE PERSON SOME FEELING OF CONTROL.

NOW, YOU KNOW, IF A PERSON WANTS CONTROL.

NOW, YOU KNOW, IF A PERSON WANTS TO WORK FROM HOME FIVE DAY AS NOW, YOU KNOW, IF A PERSON WANTS TO WORK FROM HOME FIVE DAY AS WEEK AND THEIR BOSS WANTS THEM TO WORK FROM HOME FIVE DAY AS WEEK AND THEIR BOSS WANTS THEM TO WORK INTEREST HOME JUST ONE WEEK AND THEIR BOSS WANTS THEM TO WORK INTEREST HOME JUST ONE DAY A WEEK, THERE'S REASONS FOR TO WORK INTEREST HOME JUST ONE DAY A WEEK, THERE'S REASONS FOR EACH FEELING, AND THEY HAVE TO DAY A WEEK, THERE'S REASONS FOR EACH FEELING, AND THEY HAVE TO WORK THAT OUT.

EACH FEELING, AND THEY HAVE TO WORK THAT OUT.

BUT TO HAVE IT BE A BLANKET WORK THAT OUT.

BUT TO HAVE IT BE A BLANKET STATEMENT, YOU KNOW, FLEX ISN'T BUT TO HAVE IT BE A BLANKET STATEMENT, YOU KNOW, FLEX ISN'T WORKING.

STATEMENT, YOU KNOW, FLEX ISN'T WORKING.

THAT'S JUST NOT TRUE.

WORKING.

THAT'S JUST NOT TRUE.

>> SO, SINCE FLEXISM WAS STARRED THAT'S JUST NOT TRUE.

>> SO, SINCE FLEXISM WAS STARRED BY MAR%KKD█ MAYER, HOW CAN IT B >> SO, SINCE FLEXISM WAS STARRED BY MAR%KKD█ MAYER, HOW CAN IT B SEXIST?

BY MAR%KKD█ MAYER, HOW CAN IT B SEXIST?

>> I DON'T THINK IT IS.

SEXIST?

>> I DON'T THINK IT IS.

I THINK MARISSA MAYER WAS TRYING >> I DON'T THINK IT IS.

I THINK MARISSA MAYER WAS TRYING TO DO WHAT SHE THOUGHT WAS BEST I THINK MARISSA MAYER WAS TRYING TO DO WHAT SHE THOUGHT WAS BEST FOR HER COMPANY.

TO DO WHAT SHE THOUGHT WAS BEST FOR HER COMPANY.

FLEX TIME IS GREAT IN PRINCIPLE FOR HER COMPANY.

FLEX TIME IS GREAT IN PRINCIPLE BUT YOU HAVE TO WORK IT OUT IN FLEX TIME IS GREAT IN PRINCIPLE BUT YOU HAVE TO WORK IT OUT IN PRAK DAYS R SIS AND SHE HAS MADE BUT YOU HAVE TO WORK IT OUT IN PRAK DAYS R SIS AND SHE HAS MADE GENEROUS6>ágT(UQ)NIT PRAK DAYS R SIS AND SHE HAS MADE GENEROUS6>ágT(UQ)NIT LEAVES AND SHE IS TRYING TO MEET GENEROUS6>ágT(UQ)NIT LEAVES AND SHE IS TRYING TO MEET HER EMPLOYEES' NEEDS THROUGH LEAVES AND SHE IS TRYING TO MEET HER EMPLOYEES' NEEDS THROUGH OTHER AVENUES.

HER EMPLOYEES' NEEDS THROUGH OTHER AVENUES.

>> I MEAN, IS FLEXISM OTHER AVENUES.

>> I MEAN, IS FLEXISM PROBLEMATIC?

>> I MEAN, IS FLEXISM PROBLEMATIC?

IS FLEX TIME PROBLEMATIC, IN PROBLEMATIC?

IS FLEX TIME PROBLEMATIC, IN CERTAIN WAYS?

IS FLEX TIME PROBLEMATIC, IN CERTAIN WAYS?

>> WELL, IT'S -- IT DOES MEAN CERTAIN WAYS?

>> WELL, IT'S -- IT DOES MEAN THAT A WORKPLACE, WHICH HAS BEEN >> WELL, IT'S -- IT DOES MEAN THAT A WORKPLACE, WHICH HAS BEEN 400 YEARS ORIENTED TOWARD THE THAT A WORKPLACE, WHICH HAS BEEN 400 YEARS ORIENTED TOWARD THE EIGHT HOUR DAY AND LOOKING 400 YEARS ORIENTED TOWARD THE EIGHT HOUR DAY AND LOOKING FACE-TO-FACE HAS TO REORIENT EIGHT HOUR DAY AND LOOKING FACE-TO-FACE HAS TO REORIENT ITSELF.

FACE-TO-FACE HAS TO REORIENT ITSELF.

NOW THE ENTRY OF WOMEN INTO THE ITSELF.

NOW THE ENTRY OF WOMEN INTO THE WORKFORCE OUGHT TO HELP THEM DO NOW THE ENTRY OF WOMEN INTO THE WORKFORCE OUGHT TO HELP THEM DO THAT.

WORKFORCE OUGHT TO HELP THEM DO THAT.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE THAT.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE AVERAGE WOMAN IN FACT, TAKES I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE AVERAGE WOMAN IN FACT, TAKES CARE OF A KID OR TWO, WORKS AVERAGE WOMAN IN FACT, TAKES CARE OF A KID OR TWO, WORKS EIGHT HOURS A DAY, IN A COUNTRY CARE OF A KID OR TWO, WORKS EIGHT HOURS A DAY, IN A COUNTRY THAT HAS ABSOLUTELY NO CHILD EIGHT HOURS A DAY, IN A COUNTRY THAT HAS ABSOLUTELY NO CHILD CARE, UNLESS YOU CAN PAY FOR IT THAT HAS ABSOLUTELY NO CHILD CARE, UNLESS YOU CAN PAY FOR IT YOURSELF, TENDS TO WHAT WOMEN CARE, UNLESS YOU CAN PAY FOR IT YOURSELF, TENDS TO WHAT WOMEN STILL DISPROPORTIONATELY TEND YOURSELF, TENDS TO WHAT WOMEN STILL DISPROPORTIONATELY TEND TO, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT FLEX STILL DISPROPORTIONATELY TEND TO, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT FLEX TIME IS GOING TO BE INCREASINGLY TO, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT FLEX TIME IS GOING TO BE INCREASINGLY NECESSARY TO ACCOMMODATE THIS TIME IS GOING TO BE INCREASINGLY NECESSARY TO ACCOMMODATE THIS VERY -- THE WORKFORCE WHICH IS NECESSARY TO ACCOMMODATE THIS VERY -- THE WORKFORCE WHICH IS NOW BECOMING FEMALE DOMINATED.

VERY -- THE WORKFORCE WHICH IS NOW BECOMING FEMALE DOMINATED.

>> IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOW BECOMING FEMALE DOMINATED.

>> IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND SORT OF THE FLEX TIME >> IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND SORT OF THE FLEX TIME ABOUT 13 MILLION WORKERS ARE UNDERSTAND SORT OF THE FLEX TIME ABOUT 13 MILLION WORKERS ARE INVOLVED WITH IT.

ABOUT 13 MILLION WORKERS ARE INVOLVED WITH IT.

AT LEAST SINCE THE U.S. CENSUS INVOLVED WITH IT.

AT LEAST SINCE THE U.S. CENSUS OF 2010.

AT LEAST SINCE THE U.S. CENSUS OF 2010.

THAT'S SORT OF THE RECENT NUMBER OF 2010.

THAT'S SORT OF THE RECENT NUMBER AND IT'S GROWN A GREAT DEAL OVER THAT'S SORT OF THE RECENT NUMBER AND IT'S GROWN A GREAT DEAL OVER THE LAST DECADE.

AND IT'S GROWN A GREAT DEAL OVER THE LAST DECADE.

BUT I THINK THAT TO DESCRIBE THE LAST DECADE.

BUT I THINK THAT TO DESCRIBE SORT OF THIS ATTACK AGAINST FLEX BUT I THINK THAT TO DESCRIBE SORT OF THIS ATTACK AGAINST FLEX TIME AS BEING FLEXISM IS REALLY SORT OF THIS ATTACK AGAINST FLEX TIME AS BEING FLEXISM IS REALLY SORT OF INDULGENT AND DEMEANING TIME AS BEING FLEXISM IS REALLY SORT OF INDULGENT AND DEMEANING A LOT OF THE OTHER VERY SERIOUS SORT OF INDULGENT AND DEMEANING A LOT OF THE OTHER VERY SERIOUS ISSUES LIKE DISCRIMINATION A LOT OF THE OTHER VERY SERIOUS ISSUES LIKE DISCRIMINATION AGAINST WOMEN, MINORITIES, AND ISSUES LIKE DISCRIMINATION AGAINST WOMEN, MINORITIES, AND THOSE OF OTHER SEXUAL AGAINST WOMEN, MINORITIES, AND THOSE OF OTHER SEXUAL ORIENTATIONS, AND -- THOSE OF OTHER SEXUAL ORIENTATIONS, AND -- >> DEMEANS IT HOW?

ORIENTATIONS, AND -- >> DEMEANS IT HOW?

>> I THINK IT TRIVIALIZE, YOU >> DEMEANS IT HOW?

>> I THINK IT TRIVIALIZE, YOU KNOW, SORT OF THE WHOLE NOTION >> I THINK IT TRIVIALIZE, YOU KNOW, SORT OF THE WHOLE NOTION OF AN ISM, IF YOU WILL, AND I KNOW, SORT OF THE WHOLE NOTION OF AN ISM, IF YOU WILL, AND I THINK THAT'S PROBLEMATIC.

OF AN ISM, IF YOU WILL, AND I THINK THAT'S PROBLEMATIC.

BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHO THINK THAT'S PROBLEMATIC.

BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHO ACTUALLY RECEIVES FLEX TIME, FOR BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHO ACTUALLY RECEIVES FLEX TIME, FOR THE MOST PART, THEY'RE COLLEGE ACTUALLY RECEIVES FLEX TIME, FOR THE MOST PART, THEY'RE COLLEGE EDUCATED WORKERS.

THE MOST PART, THEY'RE COLLEGE EDUCATED WORKERS.

THEY'RE HIGH LEVEL MANAGERS WITH EDUCATED WORKERS.

THEY'RE HIGH LEVEL MANAGERS WITH ABOVE MEDIAN SALARIES AND THEY THEY'RE HIGH LEVEL MANAGERS WITH ABOVE MEDIAN SALARIES AND THEY TEND TO BE PEOPLE WHO ARE BASED ABOVE MEDIAN SALARIES AND THEY TEND TO BE PEOPLE WHO ARE BASED IN THE WEST, WHICH MEANS MOSTLY TEND TO BE PEOPLE WHO ARE BASED IN THE WEST, WHICH MEANS MOSTLY TECHNOLOGY RELATED JOBS.

IN THE WEST, WHICH MEANS MOSTLY TECHNOLOGY RELATED JOBS.

SO -- TECHNOLOGY RELATED JOBS.

SO -- >> YOU CAN'T FLEX TIME IF YOU SO -- >> YOU CAN'T FLEX TIME IF YOU ARE A FACTORY WORKER.

>> YOU CAN'T FLEX TIME IF YOU ARE A FACTORY WORKER.

LET'S FACE IT.

ARE A FACTORY WORKER.

LET'S FACE IT.

>> OR IF YOUbS`` ARE A CONSTRUC LET'S FACE IT.

>> OR IF YOUbS`` ARE A CONSTRUC WORKER OR ANY OTHER SORT OF >> OR IF YOUbS`` ARE A CONSTRUC WORKER OR ANY OTHER SORT OF TYPICAL BLUE COLLAR JOB OR WORKER OR ANY OTHER SORT OF TYPICAL BLUE COLLAR JOB OR REALLY LOWER LEVEL, YOU KNOW, TYPICAL BLUE COLLAR JOB OR REALLY LOWER LEVEL, YOU KNOW, OFFICE JOBS.

REALLY LOWER LEVEL, YOU KNOW, OFFICE JOBS.

SO, FOR ME, TO SORT OF DESCRIBE OFFICE JOBS.

SO, FOR ME, TO SORT OF DESCRIBE THIS IN THIS ISM FASHION, I SO, FOR ME, TO SORT OF DESCRIBE THIS IN THIS ISM FASHION, I THINK, IS JUST A LITTLE BIT THIS IN THIS ISM FASHION, I THINK, IS JUST A LITTLE BIT OFFENSIVE.

THINK, IS JUST A LITTLE BIT OFFENSIVE.

>> AS A CONSERVATIVE, I AM OFFENSIVE.

>> AS A CONSERVATIVE, I AM ACTUALLY VERY PRO FLEX TIME, AS >> AS A CONSERVATIVE, I AM ACTUALLY VERY PRO FLEX TIME, AS YOU WOULD CALL IT, BECAUSE YOU ACTUALLY VERY PRO FLEX TIME, AS YOU WOULD CALL IT, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, BEING PRO FAMILY, IT GIVES YOU WOULD CALL IT, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, BEING PRO FAMILY, IT GIVES WOMEN A LOT MORE OPPORTUNITIES KNOW, BEING PRO FAMILY, IT GIVES WOMEN A LOT MORE OPPORTUNITIES TO BE ABLE TO SPEND TIME WITH WOMEN A LOT MORE OPPORTUNITIES TO BE ABLE TO SPEND TIME WITH THEIR FAMILIES.

TO BE ABLE TO SPEND TIME WITH THEIR FAMILIES.

>> CAN WE JUST STOP FOR A THEIR FAMILIES.

>> CAN WE JUST STOP FOR A SECOND.

>> CAN WE JUST STOP FOR A SECOND.

WOMEN A LOT MORE TIME?

SECOND.

WOMEN A LOT MORE TIME?

>> MEN, TOO.

WOMEN A LOT MORE TIME?

>> MEN, TOO.

>> RIGHT.

>> MEN, TOO.

>> RIGHT.

THAT'S MY POINT.

>> RIGHT.

THAT'S MY POINT.

>> FAMILIES.

THAT'S MY POINT.

>> FAMILIES.

>> AND WAS THINKING, WOMEN WHO >> FAMILIES.

>> AND WAS THINKING, WOMEN WHO HAVE A CHILD OR TWO.

>> AND WAS THINKING, WOMEN WHO HAVE A CHILD OR TWO.

GET THEIR PARTNERS OR HUSBANDS HAVE A CHILD OR TWO.

GET THEIR PARTNERS OR HUSBANDS TO HELP THEM OUT AND THAT IS GET THEIR PARTNERS OR HUSBANDS TO HELP THEM OUT AND THAT IS HALF THE BATTLE.

TO HELP THEM OUT AND THAT IS HALF THE BATTLE.

>> THE OTHER HALF IS WOMEN HALF THE BATTLE.

>> THE OTHER HALF IS WOMEN INCREASINGLY DON'T HAVE HUSBAND.

>> THE OTHER HALF IS WOMEN INCREASINGLY DON'T HAVE HUSBAND.

>> FAMILIES.

INCREASINGLY DON'T HAVE HUSBAND.

>> FAMILIES.

>> IT GIVES FAMILY, MEN OR >> FAMILIES.

>> IT GIVES FAMILY, MEN OR WOMEN, WHOEVER WANTS TO STAY AT >> IT GIVES FAMILY, MEN OR WOMEN, WHOEVER WANTS TO STAY AT HOME WITH THE CHILDREN, MORE WOMEN, WHOEVER WANTS TO STAY AT HOME WITH THE CHILDREN, MORE TIME TO BE AT HOME WITH THEIR HOME WITH THE CHILDREN, MORE TIME TO BE AT HOME WITH THEIR CHILDREN AND ALSO HAVE A JOB.

TIME TO BE AT HOME WITH THEIR CHILDREN AND ALSO HAVE A JOB.

BUT TO SPEAK TO THE POICHT, I CHILDREN AND ALSO HAVE A JOB.

BUT TO SPEAK TO THE POICHT, I GUESS I'M THE TTC MILLENIAL BUT TO SPEAK TO THE POICHT, I GUESS I'M THE TTC MILLENIAL SPEAKER THESE DAYS.

GUESS I'M THE TTC MILLENIAL SPEAKER THESE DAYS.

TO SPEAK TO MILLENIAL, I DO SPEAKER THESE DAYS.

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