Women & Politics; Gay Marriage; Westboro Baptist Church

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ENVIRONMENT, LAND CONSERVATION, ENVIRONMENT.

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ADDITIONAL FUNDING PRO PROVIDED ADDITIONAL FUNDING PRO PROVIDED BY: >> THIS WEEK ON "TO THE >> THIS WEEK ON "TO THE CONTRARY," FIRST, WHAT'S HOLDING >> THIS WEEK ON "TO THE CONTRARY," FIRST, WHAT'S HOLDING BACK YOUNG WOMEN?

CONTRARY," FIRST, WHAT'S HOLDING BACK YOUNG WOMEN?

THEN THE FUTURE OF GAY MARRIAGE.

BACK YOUNG WOMEN?

THEN THE FUTURE OF GAY MARRIAGE.

BEHIND THE HEADLINES, ONE THEN THE FUTURE OF GAY MARRIAGE.

BEHIND THE HEADLINES, ONE WOMAN'S BANISHMENT FROM THE BEHIND THE HEADLINES, ONE WOMAN'S BANISHMENT FROM THE WESTBORO BAPTIST CHURCH.

♪ ♪ >> HELLO, I'M BONNIE ERBE.

♪ >> HELLO, I'M BONNIE ERBE.

WELCOME TO "TO THE CONTRARY," A >> HELLO, I'M BONNIE ERBE.

WELCOME TO "TO THE CONTRARY," A DISCUSSION OF NEWS AND SOCIAL WELCOME TO "TO THE CONTRARY," A DISCUSSION OF NEWS AND SOCIAL TRENDS FROM DIVERSE DISCUSSION OF NEWS AND SOCIAL TRENDS FROM DIVERSE PERSPECTIVES.

TRENDS FROM DIVERSE PERSPECTIVES.

UP FIRST, RUNNING FROM POLITICS.

PERSPECTIVES.

UP FIRST, RUNNING FROM POLITICS.

YOUNG WOMEN ARE NOT INTERESTED UP FIRST, RUNNING FROM POLITICS.

YOUNG WOMEN ARE NOT INTERESTED IN RUNNING FOR OFFICE.

YOUNG WOMEN ARE NOT INTERESTED IN RUNNING FOR OFFICE.

THIS, ACCORDING TO A NEW STUDY IN RUNNING FOR OFFICE.

THIS, ACCORDING TO A NEW STUDY BY AMERICAN UNIVERSITY.

THIS, ACCORDING TO A NEW STUDY BY AMERICAN UNIVERSITY.

DESPITE HAVING HISTORIC NUMBERS BY AMERICAN UNIVERSITY.

DESPITE HAVING HISTORIC NUMBERS OF WOMEN IN CONGRESS, ALMOST DESPITE HAVING HISTORIC NUMBERS OF WOMEN IN CONGRESS, ALMOST TWO-THIRDS OF WOMEN BETWEEN 18 OF WOMEN IN CONGRESS, ALMOST TWO-THIRDS OF WOMEN BETWEEN 18 AND 25 HAVE NEVER CONSIDERED A TWO-THIRDS OF WOMEN BETWEEN 18 AND 25 HAVE NEVER CONSIDERED A RUN FOR PUBLIC OFFICE.

AND 25 HAVE NEVER CONSIDERED A RUN FOR PUBLIC OFFICE.

MORE SURPRISING IS YOUNG WOMEN RUN FOR PUBLIC OFFICE.

MORE SURPRISING IS YOUNG WOMEN ARE JUST AS POLITICALLY ENGAGED MORE SURPRISING IS YOUNG WOMEN ARE JUST AS POLITICALLY ENGAGED AS THEIR MALE COUNTERPARTS.

ARE JUST AS POLITICALLY ENGAGED AS THEIR MALE COUNTERPARTS.

SO WHY AREN'T THEY INTERESTED IN AS THEIR MALE COUNTERPARTS.

SO WHY AREN'T THEY INTERESTED IN RUNNING FOR OFFICE?

SO WHY AREN'T THEY INTERESTED IN RUNNING FOR OFFICE?

REOF SEARCHERS CITE A RUNNING FOR OFFICE?

REOF SEARCHERS CITE A COMBINATION OF FACTORS.

REOF SEARCHERS CITE A COMBINATION OF FACTORS.

YOUNG WOMEN ARE LESS LIKELY TO COMBINATION OF FACTORS.

YOUNG WOMEN ARE LESS LIKELY TO BE SOCIALIZED TO CONSIDER YOUNG WOMEN ARE LESS LIKELY TO BE SOCIALIZED TO CONSIDER POLITICS AS A CAREER, THEY ARE BE SOCIALIZED TO CONSIDER POLITICS AS A CAREER, THEY ARE EXPOSED TO LESS POLITICAL POLITICS AS A CAREER, THEY ARE EXPOSED TO LESS POLITICAL INFORMATION AND SEE FEWER EXPOSED TO LESS POLITICAL INFORMATION AND SEE FEWER POLITICAL DISCUSSIONS, AND THEY INFORMATION AND SEE FEWER POLITICAL DISCUSSIONS, AND THEY THINK THEY ARE LESS QUALIFIED TO POLITICAL DISCUSSIONS, AND THEY THINK THEY ARE LESS QUALIFIED TO HOLD PUBLIC OFFICE.

THINK THEY ARE LESS QUALIFIED TO HOLD PUBLIC OFFICE.

>> CONGRESSWOMAN NORTON, WHY HOLD PUBLIC OFFICE.

>> CONGRESSWOMAN NORTON, WHY AREN'T YOUNG WOMEN MOVING >> CONGRESSWOMAN NORTON, WHY AREN'T YOUNG WOMEN MOVING BACKYARDS RATHER THAN FORWARDS AREN'T YOUNG WOMEN MOVING BACKYARDS RATHER THAN FORWARDS IN THIS REGARD?

BACKYARDS RATHER THAN FORWARDS IN THIS REGARD?

PERPLEXING, BONNIE, BUT TODAY'S IN THIS REGARD?

PERPLEXING, BONNIE, BUT TODAY'S WELL-EDUCATED WOMEN SEEM TO BE PERPLEXING, BONNIE, BUT TODAY'S WELL-EDUCATED WOMEN SEEM TO BE LOOKING FOR SERIOUS WELL-EDUCATED WOMEN SEEM TO BE LOOKING FOR SERIOUS PROBLEM-SOLVING PROFESSIONS, AND LOOKING FOR SERIOUS PROBLEM-SOLVING PROFESSIONS, AND POLITICS IN AMERICA MAY NOT FIT PROBLEM-SOLVING PROFESSIONS, AND POLITICS IN AMERICA MAY NOT FIT THAT DESCRIPTION.

POLITICS IN AMERICA MAY NOT FIT THAT DESCRIPTION.

[ LAUGHTER ] THAT DESCRIPTION.

[ LAUGHTER ] >> YOU'RE IN AGREEMENT.

[ LAUGHTER ] >> YOU'RE IN AGREEMENT.

I'VE OFTEN SAID THAT I THINK >> YOU'RE IN AGREEMENT.

I'VE OFTEN SAID THAT I THINK THAT WOMEN ARE FACED WITH SO I'VE OFTEN SAID THAT I THINK THAT WOMEN ARE FACED WITH SO MANY WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITIES THAT WOMEN ARE FACED WITH SO MANY WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITIES TODAY THAT THEY HAVE DIFFERENT MANY WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITIES TODAY THAT THEY HAVE DIFFERENT CHOICES BUT I ACTUALLY JUST TODAY THAT THEY HAVE DIFFERENT CHOICES BUT I ACTUALLY JUST STUMBLED UPON SOME RESEARCH FROM CHOICES BUT I ACTUALLY JUST STUMBLED UPON SOME RESEARCH FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF PITTSBURGH STUMBLED UPON SOME RESEARCH FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF PITTSBURGH THAT FOUND I THINK IT HAS A LOT THE UNIVERSITY OF PITTSBURGH THAT FOUND I THINK IT HAS A LOT MORE TO DO WITH THE MODERN THAT FOUND I THINK IT HAS A LOT MORE TO DO WITH THE MODERN CAMPAIGN THAN ANYTHINGELS.

MORE TO DO WITH THE MODERN CAMPAIGN THAN ANYTHINGELS.

>> THE TRUTH IS IN A DEMOCRACY CAMPAIGN THAN ANYTHINGELS.

>> THE TRUTH IS IN A DEMOCRACY WE HAVE TO HAVE EQUAL >> THE TRUTH IS IN A DEMOCRACY WE HAVE TO HAVE EQUAL REPRESENTATION SO EVEN IF WE HAVE TO HAVE EQUAL REPRESENTATION SO EVEN IF POLITICS STINK, WE HAVE TO HAVE REPRESENTATION SO EVEN IF POLITICS STINK, WE HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE WHO HOLD THEIR NOSES AND POLITICS STINK, WE HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE WHO HOLD THEIR NOSES AND GO FOR IT, AND THE BIG PROBLEM PEOPLE WHO HOLD THEIR NOSES AND GO FOR IT, AND THE BIG PROBLEM FOR WOMEN IS GIRLS DON'T SEE GO FOR IT, AND THE BIG PROBLEM FOR WOMEN IS GIRLS DON'T SEE THEMSELVES IN THOSE ROLES, AND FOR WOMEN IS GIRLS DON'T SEE THEMSELVES IN THOSE ROLES, AND THE MAJOR FINDING OF THIS STUDY THEMSELVES IN THOSE ROLES, AND THE MAJOR FINDING OF THIS STUDY IS THERE'S A 20 POINT DIFFERENCE THE MAJOR FINDING OF THIS STUDY IS THERE'S A 20 POINT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MEN'S ABILITY TO EVEN IS THERE'S A 20 POINT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MEN'S ABILITY TO EVEN CONSIDER RUNNING FOR OFFICE AND BETWEEN MEN'S ABILITY TO EVEN CONSIDER RUNNING FOR OFFICE AND WOMEN'S ABILITY TO DO THAT, SO CONSIDER RUNNING FOR OFFICE AND WOMEN'S ABILITY TO DO THAT, SO GIRLS NEED TO BE ASKED.

WOMEN'S ABILITY TO DO THAT, SO GIRLS NEED TO BE ASKED.

>> THERE'S NO QUESTION IT STARTS GIRLS NEED TO BE ASKED.

>> THERE'S NO QUESTION IT STARTS AT HOME, AND THE ENCOURAGEMENT >> THERE'S NO QUESTION IT STARTS AT HOME, AND THE ENCOURAGEMENT THAT THEY GET FROM THEIR AT HOME, AND THE ENCOURAGEMENT THAT THEY GET FROM THEIR PARENTS, AND I MEAN I KNOW I WAS THAT THEY GET FROM THEIR PARENTS, AND I MEAN I KNOW I WAS ENCOURAGED TO BE INVOLVED PARENTS, AND I MEAN I KNOW I WAS ENCOURAGED TO BE INVOLVED ACTIVELY, READING NEWSPAPERS, ENCOURAGED TO BE INVOLVED ACTIVELY, READING NEWSPAPERS, WATCHING CAMPAIGNS WITNESS SO ACTIVELY, READING NEWSPAPERS, WATCHING CAMPAIGNS WITNESS SO PART OF IT STARTS SYSTEMICALLY WATCHING CAMPAIGNS WITNESS SO PART OF IT STARTS SYSTEMICALLY IN THE HOUSEHOLD, AND THEN IT PART OF IT STARTS SYSTEMICALLY IN THE HOUSEHOLD, AND THEN IT GOES UP FROM THERE.

IN THE HOUSEHOLD, AND THEN IT GOES UP FROM THERE.

>> WELL, YOU TALKED ABOUT GOES UP FROM THERE.

>> WELL, YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT -- TALK MORE ABOUT THE >> WELL, YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT -- TALK MORE ABOUT THE FINDING OF THAT STUDY.

THAT -- TALK MORE ABOUT THE FINDING OF THAT STUDY.

>> WELL, THERE ARE SO MANY FINDING OF THAT STUDY.

>> WELL, THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE GENDERS, >> WELL, THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE GENDERS, AND I THINK SOMETIMES WE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE GENDERS, AND I THINK SOMETIMES WE OVERLOOK HOW IMPORTANT THOSE ARE AND I THINK SOMETIMES WE OVERLOOK HOW IMPORTANT THOSE ARE BUT IT'S TRUE THAT WOMEN TEND OVERLOOK HOW IMPORTANT THOSE ARE BUT IT'S TRUE THAT WOMEN TEND NOT TO ENGAGE IN THE POLITICAL BUT IT'S TRUE THAT WOMEN TEND NOT TO ENGAGE IN THE POLITICAL PROCESS AS MUCH AND WE HAVE NOT TO ENGAGE IN THE POLITICAL PROCESS AS MUCH AND WE HAVE THOUGHT IT'S RISK AVERSION OR PROCESS AS MUCH AND WE HAVE THOUGHT IT'S RISK AVERSION OR MAYBE DON'T LIKE THAT THOUGHT IT'S RISK AVERSION OR MAYBE DON'T LIKE THAT NEGOTIATING IN THE SAME WAY AS MAYBE DON'T LIKE THAT NEGOTIATING IN THE SAME WAY AS MEN, TALKED ABOUT THEY DON'T NEGOTIATING IN THE SAME WAY AS MEN, TALKED ABOUT THEY DON'T LIKE THAT COMPETITIVENESS AS MEN, TALKED ABOUT THEY DON'T LIKE THAT COMPETITIVENESS AS MUCH.

LIKE THAT COMPETITIVENESS AS MUCH.

BUT ALL OF THOSE THINGS ASIDE, MUCH.

BUT ALL OF THOSE THINGS ASIDE, THIS RESEARCH FOUND THAT WOMEN BUT ALL OF THOSE THINGS ASIDE, THIS RESEARCH FOUND THAT WOMEN ACTUALLY RESPOND, IT'S THE THIS RESEARCH FOUND THAT WOMEN ACTUALLY RESPOND, IT'S THE ELECTION PROCESS.

ACTUALLY RESPOND, IT'S THE ELECTION PROCESS.

IF THEY HAVE TO BE IN THAT RACE, ELECTION PROCESS.

IF THEY HAVE TO BE IN THAT RACE, THAT THEY FIND THAT THEY'RE NOT IF THEY HAVE TO BE IN THAT RACE, THAT THEY FIND THAT THEY'RE NOT BEING JUDGED ON THEIR SKILLSET THAT THEY FIND THAT THEY'RE NOT BEING JUDGED ON THEIR SKILLSET OR THEIR THAT BUILT BUT IT'S ALL BEING JUDGED ON THEIR SKILLSET OR THEIR THAT BUILT BUT IT'S ALL THE NOISE AND THE COSTLINESS OF OR THEIR THAT BUILT BUT IT'S ALL THE NOISE AND THE COSTLINESS OF THIS CAMPAIGN IN WHICH YOU'RE THE NOISE AND THE COSTLINESS OF THIS CAMPAIGN IN WHICH YOU'RE NOT REALLINESSLY GETTING YOUR THIS CAMPAIGN IN WHICH YOU'RE NOT REALLINESSLY GETTING YOUR BEST FACE FORWARD.

NOT REALLINESSLY GETTING YOUR BEST FACE FORWARD.

>> YEAH, BUT LET'S FACE IT.

BEST FACE FORWARD.

>> YEAH, BUT LET'S FACE IT.

BOYS ARE RAISED TO BE SENATORS >> YEAH, BUT LET'S FACE IT.

BOYS ARE RAISED TO BE SENATORS AND MAYORS.

BOYS ARE RAISED TO BE SENATORS AND MAYORS.

EVEN GOVERNORS.

AND MAYORS.

EVEN GOVERNORS.

LITTLE GIRLS ARE NOT THERE YET.

EVEN GOVERNORS.

LITTLE GIRLS ARE NOT THERE YET.

THEY HAVE TO GET THERE ON THEIR LITTLE GIRLS ARE NOT THERE YET.

THEY HAVE TO GET THERE ON THEIR OWN.

THEY HAVE TO GET THERE ON THEIR OWN.

>> WAIT A SECOND, ELLEN.

OWN.

>> WAIT A SECOND, ELLEN.

THEY'RE GOING TO COLLEGE IN >> WAIT A SECOND, ELLEN.

THEY'RE GOING TO COLLEGE IN GREATER NUMBERS.

THEY'RE GOING TO COLLEGE IN GREATER NUMBERS.

>> YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND GREATER NUMBERS.

>> YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND I THINK, BY THE WAY YOU TALK >> YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND I THINK, BY THE WAY YOU TALK ABOUT COMPETITIVENESS, I I THINK, BY THE WAY YOU TALK ABOUT COMPETITIVENESS, I COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORE.

ABOUT COMPETITIVENESS, I COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORE.

THE MORE TITLE IX WE HAVE, THE COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORE.

THE MORE TITLE IX WE HAVE, THE MORE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE WOMEN THE MORE TITLE IX WE HAVE, THE MORE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE WOMEN COMPETE EVERYWHERE.

MORE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE WOMEN COMPETE EVERYWHERE.

BUT I THINK WE SHOULDN'T THROW COMPETE EVERYWHERE.

BUT I THINK WE SHOULDN'T THROW AWAY HOW OUR KIDS ARE RAISED BUT I THINK WE SHOULDN'T THROW AWAY HOW OUR KIDS ARE RAISED STILL.

AWAY HOW OUR KIDS ARE RAISED STILL.

SO YOU HAVE TO HOOK AT THE FACT STILL.

SO YOU HAVE TO HOOK AT THE FACT THAT THESE GIRLS STILL WANT TO SO YOU HAVE TO HOOK AT THE FACT THAT THESE GIRLS STILL WANT TO BE DOCTORS, LAWYERS AND INDIAN THAT THESE GIRLS STILL WANT TO BE DOCTORS, LAWYERS AND INDIAN CHIEFS SO WHY NOT POLITICIANS?

BE DOCTORS, LAWYERS AND INDIAN CHIEFS SO WHY NOT POLITICIANS?

WE HAVE TO LOOK BEYOND THE CHIEFS SO WHY NOT POLITICIANS?

WE HAVE TO LOOK BEYOND THE NOTION.

WE HAVE TO LOOK BEYOND THE NOTION.

YOU CAN'T SAY THEY DON'T WANT TO NOTION.

YOU CAN'T SAY THEY DON'T WANT TO BE LEADERS.

YOU CAN'T SAY THEY DON'T WANT TO BE LEADERS.

THEY CLEARLY DO.

BE LEADERS.

THEY CLEARLY DO.

>> SO EVERY PARENT SHOULD LOOK THEY CLEARLY DO.

>> SO EVERY PARENT SHOULD LOOK TO THEIR CHILDREN, GIRLS >> SO EVERY PARENT SHOULD LOOK TO THEIR CHILDREN, GIRLS ESPECIALLY, AND SAY YOU'RE GOING TO THEIR CHILDREN, GIRLS ESPECIALLY, AND SAY YOU'RE GOING TO BE PRESIDENT, RIGHT?

ESPECIALLY, AND SAY YOU'RE GOING TO BE PRESIDENT, RIGHT?

YOU'RE GOING TO GRIP AND BE TO BE PRESIDENT, RIGHT?

YOU'RE GOING TO GRIP AND BE PRESIDENT?

YOU'RE GOING TO GRIP AND BE PRESIDENT?

>> IT'S A POSSIBILITY.

PRESIDENT?

>> IT'S A POSSIBILITY.

AND ITEMS INTERESTING BECAUSE >> IT'S A POSSIBILITY.

AND ITEMS INTERESTING BECAUSE THE STUDY ALSO SHOWED THAT THERE AND ITEMS INTERESTING BECAUSE THE STUDY ALSO SHOWED THAT THERE WAS LESS OF A GENDER GAP BETWEEN THE STUDY ALSO SHOWED THAT THERE WAS LESS OF A GENDER GAP BETWEEN HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS AT HIGH WAS LESS OF A GENDER GAP BETWEEN HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS AT HIGH SCHOOL BOYS AND GIRLS RAN FOR HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS AT HIGH SCHOOL BOYS AND GIRLS RAN FOR GOVERNMENT COUNCIL ABOUT THE SCHOOL BOYS AND GIRLS RAN FOR GOVERNMENT COUNCIL ABOUT THE SAME NUMBERS AND WERE GOVERNMENT COUNCIL ABOUT THE SAME NUMBERS AND WERE SUCCESSFUL, AND THERE WAS A SAME NUMBERS AND WERE SUCCESSFUL, AND THERE WAS A DISCONNECT WHEN IT WENT FROM SUCCESSFUL, AND THERE WAS A DISCONNECT WHEN IT WENT FROM HIGH SCHOOL TO COLLEGE, AND I DISCONNECT WHEN IT WENT FROM HIGH SCHOOL TO COLLEGE, AND I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT HIGH SCHOOL TO COLLEGE, AND I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT EVERYONE IS SAYING, IS THAT THE THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT EVERYONE IS SAYING, IS THAT THE AGENDA CHANGES, WHAT ARE THE EVERYONE IS SAYING, IS THAT THE AGENDA CHANGES, WHAT ARE THE INTERESTS WHEN YOU GET TO AGENDA CHANGES, WHAT ARE THE INTERESTS WHEN YOU GET TO COLLEGE, THE FOCUS WHERE YOU INTERESTS WHEN YOU GET TO COLLEGE, THE FOCUS WHERE YOU WANT TO GO.

COLLEGE, THE FOCUS WHERE YOU WANT TO GO.

I MEAN AND ALSO,.

WANT TO GO.

I MEAN AND ALSO,.

AGAIN I GO BACK I MEAN AND ALSO,.

AGAIN I GO BACK TO WHAT YOU'RE ENCOURAGED TO DO AGAIN I GO BACK TO WHAT YOU'RE ENCOURAGED TO DO FROM YOUR HOUSEHOLD AS WELL YOUR TO WHAT YOU'RE ENCOURAGED TO DO FROM YOUR HOUSEHOLD AS WELL YOUR ROLE MODELS.

FROM YOUR HOUSEHOLD AS WELL YOUR ROLE MODELS.

I GREW UP IN A TIME WHEN SHIRLEY ROLE MODELS.

I GREW UP IN A TIME WHEN SHIRLEY AND BELLA ABZUG WERE THE BIG I GREW UP IN A TIME WHEN SHIRLEY AND BELLA ABZUG WERE THE BIG NAMES IN MY HOUSEHOLD.

AND BELLA ABZUG WERE THE BIG NAMES IN MY HOUSEHOLD.

NOW YOUNG WOMEN HAVE PELOSI, YOU NAMES IN MY HOUSEHOLD.

NOW YOUNG WOMEN HAVE PELOSI, YOU HAVE DELEGATE NORTON HERE.

NOW YOUNG WOMEN HAVE PELOSI, YOU HAVE DELEGATE NORTON HERE.

THERE ARE SO MANY WOMEN HAVE DELEGATE NORTON HERE.

THERE ARE SO MANY WOMEN INPOLITICS, SO THERE ARE A THERE ARE SO MANY WOMEN INPOLITICS, SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ROLE MOLTS BUT I THINK INPOLITICS, SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ROLE MOLTS BUT I THINK PAR OF IT IS THE FEAR OF BEING NUMBER OF ROLE MOLTS BUT I THINK PAR OF IT IS THE FEAR OF BEING ATTACKED WAR YOUR PRIVACY BEING PAR OF IT IS THE FEAR OF BEING ATTACKED WAR YOUR PRIVACY BEING INSPRAYED ALL THOSE NASTY THINGS ATTACKED WAR YOUR PRIVACY BEING INSPRAYED ALL THOSE NASTY THINGS THAT COME ALONG WITH POLITICS.

INSPRAYED ALL THOSE NASTY THINGS THAT COME ALONG WITH POLITICS.

>> THE BIGGEST DEAL IN THIS THAT COME ALONG WITH POLITICS.

>> THE BIGGEST DEAL IN THIS STUDY IS WHEN THEY ASKED MEN AND >> THE BIGGEST DEAL IN THIS STUDY IS WHEN THEY ASKED MEN AND WOMEN, BOYS AND GIRLS IF THEY STUDY IS WHEN THEY ASKED MEN AND WOMEN, BOYS AND GIRLS IF THEY RECORD RUNNING FOR OFFICE EVEN WOMEN, BOYS AND GIRLS IF THEY RECORD RUNNING FOR OFFICE EVEN IF THEY DIDN'T FEEL QUALIFIED, RECORD RUNNING FOR OFFICE EVEN IF THEY DIDN'T FEEL QUALIFIED, THE MEN ARE LOOK, OH, SURE.

IF THEY DIDN'T FEEL QUALIFIED, THE MEN ARE LOOK, OH, SURE.

23% OF THEM WOULD RUN FOR AN THE MEN ARE LOOK, OH, SURE.

23% OF THEM WOULD RUN FOR AN OFFICE THEIR NOT QUALIFIED FOR.

23% OF THEM WOULD RUN FOR AN OFFICE THEIR NOT QUALIFIED FOR.

AND THE GIRLS SAY ABSOLUTELY OFFICE THEIR NOT QUALIFIED FOR.

AND THE GIRLS SAY ABSOLUTELY NOT.

AND THE GIRLS SAY ABSOLUTELY NOT.

THIS IS WHAT EMILY'S LIST HAS NOT.

THIS IS WHAT EMILY'S LIST HAS BEEN TRAINING FEMALE CANDIDATES THIS IS WHAT EMILY'S LIST HAS BEEN TRAINING FEMALE CANDIDATES IN-FOR- BEEN TRAINING FEMALE CANDIDATES IN-FOR- >> AND A NEW HIGH SCHOOL TARGET IN-FOR- >> AND A NEW HIGH SCHOOL TARGET IS CALLED RUNNING START THAT >> AND A NEW HIGH SCHOOL TARGET IS CALLED RUNNING START THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING A PROFILE IS CALLED RUNNING START THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING A PROFILE OF, START ENCOURAGING GIRLS IN WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING A PROFILE OF, START ENCOURAGING GIRLS IN HIGH SCHOOL.

OF, START ENCOURAGING GIRLS IN HIGH SCHOOL.

>> AND TO TELL GIRLS THEY DON'T HIGH SCHOOL.

>> AND TO TELL GIRLS THEY DON'T HAVE TO MEET THIS IMPOSSIBLY >> AND TO TELL GIRLS THEY DON'T HAVE TO MEET THIS IMPOSSIBLY HIGH STANDARD BECAUSE POISE HAVE TO MEET THIS IMPOSSIBLY HIGH STANDARD BECAUSE POISE DON'T HAVE THAT BARRIER THEIR HIGH STANDARD BECAUSE POISE DON'T HAVE THAT BARRIER THEIR HAND IS UP AND THEY ARE GOING DON'T HAVE THAT BARRIER THEIR HAND IS UP AND THEY ARE GOING FOR IT EVEN IF THEY ARE HAND IS UP AND THEY ARE GOING FOR IT EVEN IF THEY ARE COMPLETELY UNDERPREPARED.

FOR IT EVEN IF THEY ARE COMPLETELY UNDERPREPARED.

THEY ARE OVERAND OF THE AND COMPLETELY UNDERPREPARED.

THEY ARE OVERAND OF THE AND WOMEN ARE UNCONFIDENT.

THEY ARE OVERAND OF THE AND WOMEN ARE UNCONFIDENT.

>> I READ ONLINE THIS WEEK THAT WOMEN ARE UNCONFIDENT.

>> I READ ONLINE THIS WEEK THAT THERE IS NO GROUP THAT >> I READ ONLINE THIS WEEK THAT THERE IS NO GROUP THAT SPECIALIZES, TARGETS BLACK WOMEN THERE IS NO GROUP THAT SPECIALIZES, TARGETS BLACK WOMEN TO RUN FOR OFFICE.

SPECIALIZES, TARGETS BLACK WOMEN TO RUN FOR OFFICE.

THERE'S EMILY'S LIST AND TO RUN FOR OFFICE.

THERE'S EMILY'S LIST AND NATIONAL WOMEN'S POLITICAL THERE'S EMILY'S LIST AND NATIONAL WOMEN'S POLITICAL CAUCUS AND THE WOMEN'S CAMPAIGN NATIONAL WOMEN'S POLITICAL CAUCUS AND THE WOMEN'S CAMPAIGN FUND, ALL THESE, AND OTHERS I'M CAUCUS AND THE WOMEN'S CAMPAIGN FUND, ALL THESE, AND OTHERS I'M NOT MENTIONING THAT DO IT AND FUND, ALL THESE, AND OTHERS I'M NOT MENTIONING THAT DO IT AND THEY CERTAINLY INCLUDE BLACK NOT MENTIONING THAT DO IT AND THEY CERTAINLY INCLUDE BLACK WOMEN AND OTHER WOMEN OF COLOR THEY CERTAINLY INCLUDE BLACK WOMEN AND OTHER WOMEN OF COLOR WEEK, BUT THERE ARE NO GROUPS WOMEN AND OTHER WOMEN OF COLOR WEEK, BUT THERE ARE NO GROUPS TARGETING WOMEN OF COLOR TO RUN WEEK, BUT THERE ARE NO GROUPS TARGETING WOMEN OF COLOR TO RUN FOR OFFICE AT A YOUNG AGE.

TARGETING WOMEN OF COLOR TO RUN FOR OFFICE AT A YOUNG AGE.

WHY?

FOR OFFICE AT A YOUNG AGE.

WHY?

>> LOOK AT THE CONGRESSIONAL WHY?

>> LOOK AT THE CONGRESSIONAL BLACK CAUCUS.

>> LOOK AT THE CONGRESSIONAL BLACK CAUCUS.

MORE THAN A THIRD OF THE BLACK CAUCUS.

MORE THAN A THIRD OF THE CONGRESSIONAL BLACK CAUCUS ARE MORE THAN A THIRD OF THE CONGRESSIONAL BLACK CAUCUS ARE WOMEN, AND THAT HAS A LOT TO DO CONGRESSIONAL BLACK CAUCUS ARE WOMEN, AND THAT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH WHO GETS ENCOURAGED TO DO WOMEN, AND THAT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH WHO GETS ENCOURAGED TO DO WHAT WHEN, AND BLACK WOMEN, WITH WHO GETS ENCOURAGED TO DO WHAT WHEN, AND BLACK WOMEN, SINCE THE TIME THEY WERE PICKING WHAT WHEN, AND BLACK WOMEN, SINCE THE TIME THEY WERE PICKING COTTON IN THE COTTON FIELD WERE SINCE THE TIME THEY WERE PICKING COTTON IN THE COTTON FIELD WERE ENCOURAGED TO MOVE UP THERE AND COTTON IN THE COTTON FIELD WERE ENCOURAGED TO MOVE UP THERE AND DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

ENCOURAGED TO MOVE UP THERE AND DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

THAT'S WHY I DO EMPHASIZE YOU DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

THAT'S WHY I DO EMPHASIZE YOU HAVE TO, YES, RAISE YOUNG GIRL THAT'S WHY I DO EMPHASIZE YOU HAVE TO, YES, RAISE YOUNG GIRL TO SAY, YOU'RE SMART.

HAVE TO, YES, RAISE YOUNG GIRL TO SAY, YOU'RE SMART.

YOU CAN GROW UP TO BE PROPOSE TO SAY, YOU'RE SMART.

YOU CAN GROW UP TO BE PROPOSE YOU CAN BE GOVERNOR OF THIS YOU CAN GROW UP TO BE PROPOSE YOU CAN BE GOVERNOR OF THIS STATE.

YOU CAN BE GOVERNOR OF THIS STATE.

AND I BET YOU THAT EVEN STATE.

AND I BET YOU THAT EVEN PROGRESSIVE WOMEN DON'T SAY THAT AND I BET YOU THAT EVEN PROGRESSIVE WOMEN DON'T SAY THAT TO THEIR DAUGHTERS.

PROGRESSIVE WOMEN DON'T SAY THAT TO THEIR DAUGHTERS.

>> I THINK YOU ALSO HAVE TO TO THEIR DAUGHTERS.

>> I THINK YOU ALSO HAVE TO WONDER WHAT IS THE END GOAL.

>> I THINK YOU ALSO HAVE TO WONDER WHAT IS THE END GOAL.

I THINK WE HAVEEE EQUALITY AND WONDER WHAT IS THE END GOAL.

I THINK WE HAVEEE EQUALITY AND IS PARITY THE END GOAL OR IS IT I THINK WE HAVEEE EQUALITY AND IS PARITY THE END GOAL OR IS IT OKAY THAT WOMEN CHOOSING TO BE IS PARITY THE END GOAL OR IS IT OKAY THAT WOMEN CHOOSING TO BE DOCTORS IN GREATER NUMBERS AND OKAY THAT WOMEN CHOOSING TO BE DOCTORS IN GREATER NUMBERS AND LAWMAKERS?

DOCTORS IN GREATER NUMBERS AND LAWMAKERS?

I THINK WE HAVE TO AT SOME THE LAWMAKERS?

I THINK WE HAVE TO AT SOME THE POINT STEP THAT THEY'RE GOING TO I THINK WE HAVE TO AT SOME THE POINT STEP THAT THEY'RE GOING TO CHOOSE DIFFERENT THINGS.

POINT STEP THAT THEY'RE GOING TO CHOOSE DIFFERENT THINGS.

THAT'S OKAY.

CHOOSE DIFFERENT THINGS.

THAT'S OKAY.

I'M NOT SURE I WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT'S OKAY.

I'M NOT SURE I WOULD ENCOURAGE MY CHILDREN TO GO INTO POLITICS.

I'M NOT SURE I WOULD ENCOURAGE MY CHILDREN TO GO INTO POLITICS.

I THINK IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT, MY CHILDREN TO GO INTO POLITICS.

I THINK IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT, NASTY BUSINESS WHERE YOUY DON'T I THINK IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT, NASTY BUSINESS WHERE YOUY DON'T ALWAYS GET THINGS DONE THE WAY NASTY BUSINESS WHERE YOUY DON'T ALWAYS GET THINGS DONE THE WAY YOU HOPE.

ALWAYS GET THINGS DONE THE WAY YOU HOPE.

>> YOUR SON, TOO.

YOU HOPE.

>> YOUR SON, TOO.

>> >> YOUR SON, TOO.

>> >> I THINK THERE ARE THINGS THEY >> >> I THINK THERE ARE THINGS THEY COULD GET MORE SATISFACTION OUT >> I THINK THERE ARE THINGS THEY COULD GET MORE SATISFACTION OUT OF.

COULD GET MORE SATISFACTION OUT OF.

>> OF COURSE NOT EVERYONE SHOULD OF.

>> OF COURSE NOT EVERYONE SHOULD BE A POLITICS BUT THE FACT THAT >> OF COURSE NOT EVERYONE SHOULD BE A POLITICS BUT THE FACT THAT WE HAVE 20% REPRESENTATION IN BE A POLITICS BUT THE FACT THAT WE HAVE 20% REPRESENTATION IN THE SENATE AND THAT'S A HIGH WE HAVE 20% REPRESENTATION IN THE SENATE AND THAT'S A HIGH WATER MARK AND KNIGHTS AMAZING THE SENATE AND THAT'S A HIGH WATER MARK AND KNIGHTS AMAZING AFTER WE'VE HAD THE VOTES SINCE WATER MARK AND KNIGHTS AMAZING AFTER WE'VE HAD THE VOTES SINCE 1820, IT'S RIDICULOUS.

AFTER WE'VE HAD THE VOTES SINCE 1820, IT'S RIDICULOUS.

>> I AGREE WITH YOU.

1820, IT'S RIDICULOUS.

>> I AGREE WITH YOU.

>> NO, IT'S AMAZING THAT WOMEN >> I AGREE WITH YOU.

>> NO, IT'S AMAZING THAT WOMEN COULD ACHIEVE 20% IS NOT GOOD >> NO, IT'S AMAZING THAT WOMEN COULD ACHIEVE 20% IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

COULD ACHIEVE 20% IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

IT'S NOT.

ENOUGH.

IT'S NOT.

>> WHAT IS UNEXPLAINABLE IS THE IT'S NOT.

>> WHAT IS UNEXPLAINABLE IS THE HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOUNG >> WHAT IS UNEXPLAINABLE IS THE HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOUNG MEN AND YOUNG WOMEN.

HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOUNG MEN AND YOUNG WOMEN.

THAT MAKES YOU BELIEVE THAT THEY MEN AND YOUNG WOMEN.

THAT MAKES YOU BELIEVE THAT THEY DON'T REALLY THINK THEY HAVE THE THAT MAKES YOU BELIEVE THAT THEY DON'T REALLY THINK THEY HAVE THE SAME KIND OF CHOICES THAT YOUNG DON'T REALLY THINK THEY HAVE THE SAME KIND OF CHOICES THAT YOUNG P.M. MEN DO AND REMEMBER WE'RE SAME KIND OF CHOICES THAT YOUNG P.M. MEN DO AND REMEMBER WE'RE STILL VERY EARLY IN GETTING P.M. MEN DO AND REMEMBER WE'RE STILL VERY EARLY IN GETTING WOMEN INTO PUBLIC OFFICE.

STILL VERY EARLY IN GETTING WOMEN INTO PUBLIC OFFICE.

HOW MANY WOMEN GOVERNORS ARE WOMEN INTO PUBLIC OFFICE.

HOW MANY WOMEN GOVERNORS ARE THERE?

HOW MANY WOMEN GOVERNORS ARE THERE?

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HAD A WOMAN THERE?

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HAD A WOMAN RUN FOR PRESIDENT.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HAD A WOMAN RUN FOR PRESIDENT.

SHE HAD TO JUMP OVER -- RUN FOR PRESIDENT.

SHE HAD TO JUMP OVER -- >> BACK TO SHIRLEY CHISHOLM AND SHE HAD TO JUMP OVER -- >> BACK TO SHIRLEY CHISHOLM AND PAT SCHROEDER.

>> BACK TO SHIRLEY CHISHOLM AND PAT SCHROEDER.

>> SOMEBODY HAD A VERY GOOD PAT SCHROEDER.

>> SOMEBODY HAD A VERY GOOD CHANCE OF WINNING.

>> SOMEBODY HAD A VERY GOOD CHANCE OF WINNING.

AND SO THE WHOLE NOTION THAT CHANCE OF WINNING.

AND SO THE WHOLE NOTION THAT WOMEN OUGHT TO UNDERSTAND YOU AND SO THE WHOLE NOTION THAT WOMEN OUGHT TO UNDERSTAND YOU THAT THE GROUND IS ALREADY LEVEL WOMEN OUGHT TO UNDERSTAND YOU THAT THE GROUND IS ALREADY LEVEL IT SEEMS TO ME IS PREMATURE.

THAT THE GROUND IS ALREADY LEVEL IT SEEMS TO ME IS PREMATURE.

>> IT'S CLEARLY NOT LEVEL AND IT SEEMS TO ME IS PREMATURE.

>> IT'S CLEARLY NOT LEVEL AND NOT ONLY THAT THE ARGUMENT THAT >> IT'S CLEARLY NOT LEVEL AND NOT ONLY THAT THE ARGUMENT THAT WOMEN ARE COUG CHOOSING NOT TO NOT ONLY THAT THE ARGUMENT THAT WOMEN ARE COUG CHOOSING NOT TO BE P INVOLVED IN POLITICS IS THE WOMEN ARE COUG CHOOSING NOT TO BE P INVOLVED IN POLITICS IS THE SAME ARGUMENT THIS WOMEN DIDN'T BE P INVOLVED IN POLITICS IS THE SAME ARGUMENT THIS WOMEN DIDN'T VOTE.

SAME ARGUMENT THIS WOMEN DIDN'T VOTE.

>> I THINK IT'S A MATTER VOTE.

>> I THINK IT'S A MATTER ACCESSIBLE TO ALL BRUT HOW MUCH >> I THINK IT'S A MATTER ACCESSIBLE TO ALL BRUT HOW MUCH YOU'RE WILLING TO FIGHT FOR IT ACCESSIBLE TO ALL BRUT HOW MUCH YOU'RE WILLING TO FIGHT FOR IT AND WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO BUT ON YOU'RE WILLING TO FIGHT FOR IT AND WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO BUT ON PUT ON THE LINE TO DO THIS.

AND WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO BUT ON PUT ON THE LINE TO DO THIS.

IT TAKES MONEY, AND IF YOU'RE PUT ON THE LINE TO DO THIS.

IT TAKES MONEY, AND IF YOU'RE NOT SUPPORTED BY YOUR PARTY IT TAKES MONEY, AND IF YOU'RE NOT SUPPORTED BY YOUR PARTY YOU'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE NOT SUPPORTED BY YOUR PARTY YOU'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE ANYWAY.

YOU'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE ANYWAY.

LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK.

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FROM RUNNING FOR OFFICE TO @BONNIEERBE.

FROM RUNNING FOR OFFICE TO COURTING MARRIAGE.

FROM RUNNING FOR OFFICE TO COURTING MARRIAGE.

>> HOWEVER THE SUPREME COURT COURTING MARRIAGE.

>> HOWEVER THE SUPREME COURT RULES, IT'S VIRTUALLY CERTAIN >> HOWEVER THE SUPREME COURT RULES, IT'S VIRTUALLY CERTAIN THE LAWS GOVERNING SAME-GENDER RULES, IT'S VIRTUALLY CERTAIN THE LAWS GOVERNING SAME-GENDER MARRIAGES WILL CHANGE.

THE LAWS GOVERNING SAME-GENDER MARRIAGES WILL CHANGE.

THE JUSTICES ARE EXPECTED TO MARRIAGES WILL CHANGE.

THE JUSTICES ARE EXPECTED TO HAND DOWN TWO DECISIONS BY LATE THE JUSTICES ARE EXPECTED TO HAND DOWN TWO DECISIONS BY LATE JUNE.

HAND DOWN TWO DECISIONS BY LATE JUNE.

ONE CASE ADDRESSES THE JUNE.

ONE CASE ADDRESSES THE CONSTITUTIONALITY OF ONE CASE ADDRESSES THE CONSTITUTIONALITY OF CALIFORNIA'S PROPOSITION 8, A CONSTITUTIONALITY OF CALIFORNIA'S PROPOSITION 8, A STATEWIDE BAN ON GAY MARRIAGE.

CALIFORNIA'S PROPOSITION 8, A STATEWIDE BAN ON GAY MARRIAGE.

THE SECOND IS A CHALLENGE TO THE STATEWIDE BAN ON GAY MARRIAGE.

THE SECOND IS A CHALLENGE TO THE FEDERAL DEFENSE OF MARRIAGE ACT THE SECOND IS A CHALLENGE TO THE FEDERAL DEFENSE OF MARRIAGE ACT OR DOMA WHICH AFFECTS FEDERAL FEDERAL DEFENSE OF MARRIAGE ACT OR DOMA WHICH AFFECTS FEDERAL AND STATE BENEFITS AFFORDED OR OR DOMA WHICH AFFECTS FEDERAL AND STATE BENEFITS AFFORDED OR IN THIS CASE NOT AFFORDE AND STATE BENEFITS AFFORDED OR IN THIS CASE NOT AFFORDE TO SAME-ARE GENDER MARRIED IN THIS CASE NOT AFFORDE TO SAME-ARE GENDER MARRIED COUPLES, TO SAME-ARE GENDER MARRIED COUPLES, SUCH AS PARENTAL RIGHTS, SOCIAL COUPLES, SUCH AS PARENTAL RIGHTS, SOCIAL SECURITY, PENSIONS AND TAXES.

SUCH AS PARENTAL RIGHTS, SOCIAL SECURITY, PENSIONS AND TAXES.

A RECENT CBS POLL SHOWS SECURITY, PENSIONS AND TAXES.

A RECENT CBS POLL SHOWS AMERICANS GENERALLY SUPPORT A RECENT CBS POLL SHOWS AMERICANS GENERALLY SUPPORT P SAME-GENDER MARRIAGE.

AMERICANS GENERALLY SUPPORT P SAME-GENDER MARRIAGE.

>> EVERYBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO P SAME-GENDER MARRIAGE.

>> EVERYBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO GET MARRIED.

>> EVERYBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO GET MARRIED.

>> YOU SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO GET MARRIED.

>> YOU SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT.

>> YOU SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT.

THIS IS A FREE COUNTRY SO YOU DO THAT.

THIS IS A FREE COUNTRY SO YOU SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO WHAT THIS IS A FREE COUNTRY SO YOU SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO WHAT MAKES YOU HAPPY.

SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO WHAT MAKES YOU HAPPY.

>> MAKES YOU HAPPY.

>> >> THE JUSTICES COULD DECIDE >> >> THE JUSTICES COULD DECIDE SAME-GENDER MARRIAGE IS A >> THE JUSTICES COULD DECIDE SAME-GENDER MARRIAGE IS A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT.

SAME-GENDER MARRIAGE IS A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT.

OR THEY COULD RULE CONGRESS CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT.

OR THEY COULD RULE CONGRESS SHOULD LET THE STATES DECIDE IN OR THEY COULD RULE CONGRESS SHOULD LET THE STATES DECIDE IN MATTERS OF STATE LAW.

SHOULD LET THE STATES DECIDE IN MATTERS OF STATE LAW.

OR THEY COULD RULE ON A RANGE OF MATTERS OF STATE LAW.

OR THEY COULD RULE ON A RANGE OF MANY OTHER LEGAL THEORIES.

OR THEY COULD RULE ON A RANGE OF MANY OTHER LEGAL THEORIES.

BUT THERE IS A CONSIDERABLE MANY OTHER LEGAL THEORIES.

BUT THERE IS A CONSIDERABLE GENERATION GAP.

BUT THERE IS A CONSIDERABLE GENERATION GAP.

WHILE 73% OF ADULTS UNDER THE GENERATION GAP.

WHILE 73% OF ADULTS UNDER THE AGE OF 29 BELIEVE SAME-GENDER WHILE 73% OF ADULTS UNDER THE AGE OF 29 BELIEVE SAME-GENDER MARRIAGE SHOULD BE LEGAL, AGE OF 29 BELIEVE SAME-GENDER MARRIAGE SHOULD BE LEGAL, OPPOSITION GROWS AS PEOPLE AGE.

MARRIAGE SHOULD BE LEGAL, OPPOSITION GROWS AS PEOPLE AGE.

ONLY 35% OF AMERICANS OVER THE OPPOSITION GROWS AS PEOPLE AGE.

ONLY 35% OF AMERICANS OVER THE AGE OF 65 SUPPORT IT.

ONLY 35% OF AMERICANS OVER THE AGE OF 65 SUPPORT IT.

THE AVERAGE AGE OF THE JUSTICES AGE OF 65 SUPPORT IT.

THE AVERAGE AGE OF THE JUSTICES IS EXTENSIVE.

THE AVERAGE AGE OF THE JUSTICES IS EXTENSIVE.

>> SO HOW MUCH THE AVERAGE AGE IS EXTENSIVE.

>> SO HOW MUCH THE AVERAGE AGE OF THE JUSTICES BEING 67 AND >> SO HOW MUCH THE AVERAGE AGE OF THE JUSTICES BEING 67 AND THAT AGE GROUP MORE LIKELY TO BE OF THE JUSTICES BEING 67 AND THAT AGE GROUP MORE LIKELY TO BE ANTIGAYE MARRIAGE OR ANTIGAY THAT AGE GROUP MORE LIKELY TO BE ANTIGAYE MARRIAGE OR ANTIGAY RIGHTS, HOW MUCH ARE THE ANTIGAYE MARRIAGE OR ANTIGAY RIGHTS, HOW MUCH ARE THE JUSTICES GOING TO TAKE INTO RIGHTS, HOW MUCH ARE THE JUSTICES GOING TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE CULTURAL SHIFT?

JUSTICES GOING TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE CULTURAL SHIFT?

AND WHAT DO WE LEARN FROM THEIR ACCOUNT THE CULTURAL SHIFT?

AND WHAT DO WE LEARN FROM THEIR QUESTIONS THIS WEEK ABOUT THE AND WHAT DO WE LEARN FROM THEIR QUESTIONS THIS WEEK ABOUT THE CULTURAL SHIFT?

QUESTIONS THIS WEEK ABOUT THE CULTURAL SHIFT?

>> THERE HAS CERTAINLY BEEN A CULTURAL SHIFT?

>> THERE HAS CERTAINLY BEEN A CULTURAL SHIFT IF FOR NO OTHER >> THERE HAS CERTAINLY BEEN A CULTURAL SHIFT IF FOR NO OTHER REASON PEOPLE ARE EXPOSED TO CULTURAL SHIFT IF FOR NO OTHER REASON PEOPLE ARE EXPOSED TO SAME-SEX MARRIAGE IN A POSITIVE REASON PEOPLE ARE EXPOSED TO SAME-SEX MARRIAGE IN A POSITIVE WAY.

SAME-SEX MARRIAGE IN A POSITIVE WAY.

ANYONE WHO WATCHES PRIME TIME WAY.

ANYONE WHO WATCHES PRIME TIME TELEVISION OR THE MOVIES HAS ANYONE WHO WATCHES PRIME TIME TELEVISION OR THE MOVIES HAS BEEN EXPOSED TO THIS, AND I TELEVISION OR THE MOVIES HAS BEEN EXPOSED TO THIS, AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S A BAD THING.

BEEN EXPOSED TO THIS, AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S A BAD THING.

I THINK WHAT'S INTERESTING WITH DON'T THINK THAT'S A BAD THING.

I THINK WHAT'S INTERESTING WITH THE.

I THINK WHAT'S INTERESTING WITH THE.

OPINION IS HOW PRAHM DRAMATIC IT THE.

OPINION IS HOW PRAHM DRAMATIC IT IS.

OPINION IS HOW PRAHM DRAMATIC IT IS.

I HEARD I PUGH RESEARCH THAT IS.

I HEARD I PUGH RESEARCH THAT SHOWED 58% OF AMERICANS I HEARD I PUGH RESEARCH THAT SHOWED 58% OF AMERICANS SUPPORTED SAME-SEX MARRIAGE SHOWED 58% OF AMERICANS SUPPORTED SAME-SEX MARRIAGE WHICH I WONDER IF WE'RE SEEING A SUPPORTED SAME-SEX MARRIAGE WHICH I WONDER IF WE'RE SEEING A BROADWAY EFFECT.

WHICH I WONDER IF WE'RE SEEING A BROADWAY EFFECT.

IS THERE SO MUCH SOCIAL PRESSURE BROADWAY EFFECT.

IS THERE SO MUCH SOCIAL PRESSURE THAT PEOPLE ARE EMBARRASS TODAY IS THERE SO MUCH SOCIAL PRESSURE THAT PEOPLE ARE EMBARRASS TODAY SAY THIS THAT'S THEY DON'T THAT PEOPLE ARE EMBARRASS TODAY SAY THIS THAT'S THEY DON'T SUPPORT IT?

SAY THIS THAT'S THEY DON'T SUPPORT IT?

I'LL BE INTERESTED AFTER SOME OF SUPPORT IT?

I'LL BE INTERESTED AFTER SOME OF THE CAMERAS GO AWAY IF WE SEE I'LL BE INTERESTED AFTER SOME OF THE CAMERAS GO AWAY IF WE SEE THOSE NUMBERS LEFT OUT JUST A THE CAMERAS GO AWAY IF WE SEE THOSE NUMBERS LEFT OUT JUST A BIT.

THOSE NUMBERS LEFT OUT JUST A BIT.

>> IT'S NOT CLEAR.

BIT.

>> IT'S NOT CLEAR.

THE SUPREME COURT IS PROBABLY >> IT'S NOT CLEAR.

THE SUPREME COURT IS PROBABLY BEHIND THE PEOPLE.

THE SUPREME COURT IS PROBABLY BEHIND THE PEOPLE.

THE PEOPLE HAVE MOVED FORWARD SO BEHIND THE PEOPLE.

THE PEOPLE HAVE MOVED FORWARD SO QUICKLY THAT IT'S GOING TO BE THE PEOPLE HAVE MOVED FORWARD SO QUICKLY THAT IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT TO SEE ANYTHING BUT A QUICKLY THAT IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT TO SEE ANYTHING BUT A WAVE COMING FORWARD, AND THE DIFFICULT TO SEE ANYTHING BUT A WAVE COMING FORWARD, AND THE COURT, OF COURSE, IS FAR MORE WAVE COMING FORWARD, AND THE COURT, OF COURSE, IS FAR MORE COULD I HAVE THE IN ITS COURT, OF COURSE, IS FAR MORE COULD I HAVE THE IN ITS APPROACH, WHATEVER IT COMES OUT COULD I HAVE THE IN ITS APPROACH, WHATEVER IT COMES OUT DIDN'T CONSERVATIVE IN ITS APPROACH, WHATEVER IT COMES OUT DIDN'T CONSERVATIVE IN ITS APPROACH, WHATEVER IT COMES OUT DIDN'T CONSERVATIVE IN ITS APPROACH, WHATEVER IT COMES OUT WITH.

APPROACH, WHATEVER IT COMES OUT WITH.

I THINK THE GREAT CHALLENGE TO WITH.

I THINK THE GREAT CHALLENGE TO THE COURT IS THE PROPOSITION 8 I THINK THE GREAT CHALLENGE TO THE COURT IS THE PROPOSITION 8 CALIFORNIA CASE BECAUSE THEY ARE THE COURT IS THE PROPOSITION 8 CALIFORNIA CASE BECAUSE THEY ARE AFRAID TO DO SOMETHING IN THAT CALIFORNIA CASE BECAUSE THEY ARE AFRAID TO DO SOMETHING IN THAT CASE THAT MIGHT, IN FACT, SEND A AFRAID TO DO SOMETHING IN THAT CASE THAT MIGHT, IN FACT, SEND A MESSAGE THEY DO NOT INTEND TO CASE THAT MIGHT, IN FACT, SEND A MESSAGE THEY DO NOT INTEND TO ALL THE STATES.

MESSAGE THEY DO NOT INTEND TO ALL THE STATES.

>> DOESN'T IT MAKES SENSE, ALL THE STATES.

>> DOESN'T IT MAKES SENSE, HAVING COVERED THE COURT FOR >> DOESN'T IT MAKES SENSE, HAVING COVERED THE COURT FOR NINE YEARS AND HAVING GONE TO HAVING COVERED THE COURT FOR NINE YEARS AND HAVING GONE TO LAW SCHOOL WHERE YOU WERE A NINE YEARS AND HAVING GONE TO LAW SCHOOL WHERE YOU WERE A PROFESSOR, YOU IT LOOKS TO ME LAW SCHOOL WHERE YOU WERE A PROFESSOR, YOU IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE IN LISTENING TO THE PROFESSOR, YOU IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE IN LISTENING TO THE QUESTIONS THAT THE NEW YORK CASE LIKE IN LISTENING TO THE QUESTIONS THAT THE NEW YORK CASE WHERE THE LESBIAN WIDOW WAS QUESTIONS THAT THE NEW YORK CASE WHERE THE LESBIAN WIDOW WAS TAXED $380,000 MORE THAN IF THEY WHERE THE LESBIAN WIDOW WAS TAXED $380,000 MORE THAN IF THEY ARE -- IF SHE HAD BEEN MARRIED TAXED $380,000 MORE THAN IF THEY ARE -- IF SHE HAD BEEN MARRIED TO A MAN, IT SEEMS LIKE A LEAD ARE -- IF SHE HAD BEEN MARRIED TO A MAN, IT SEEMS LIKE A LEAD PIPE LOSER.

TO A MAN, IT SEEMS LIKE A LEAD PIPE LOSER.

THEY'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO PIPE LOSER.

THEY'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO SAY THIS IS CLEARLY UNDER THE THEY'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO SAY THIS IS CLEARLY UNDER THE CONSTITUTION BEING TREATED NOT SAY THIS IS CLEARLY UNDER THE CONSTITUTION BEING TREATED NOT EQUALLY, AND IT'S A MATTER OF CONSTITUTION BEING TREATED NOT EQUALLY, AND IT'S A MATTER OF STATE LAW.

EQUALLY, AND IT'S A MATTER OF STATE LAW.

THEN WE GO BACK TO CALIFORNIA STATE LAW.

THEN WE GO BACK TO CALIFORNIA CASE AND THEY SAY IT'S A MATTER THEN WE GO BACK TO CALIFORNIA CASE AND THEY SAY IT'S A MATTER OF STATE LAW.

CASE AND THEY SAY IT'S A MATTER OF STATE LAW.

AND THE GAY RIGHTS MOVEMENT, OF STATE LAW.

AND THE GAY RIGHTS MOVEMENT, PARTICULARLY IN THAT STATE, MY AND THE GAY RIGHTS MOVEMENT, PARTICULARLY IN THAT STATE, MY GOD, SAN FRANCISCO IS THE, YOU PARTICULARLY IN THAT STATE, MY GOD, SAN FRANCISCO IS THE, YOU KNOW, PRETTY MUCH GAY CAPITAL OF GOD, SAN FRANCISCO IS THE, YOU KNOW, PRETTY MUCH GAY CAPITAL OF THE UNITED STATES, THEY WILL KNOW, PRETTY MUCH GAY CAPITAL OF THE UNITED STATES, THEY WILL WILL HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOBBY THE UNITED STATES, THEY WILL WILL HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOBBY BEEN AND GET PROP 8 OVERTURNED.

WILL HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOBBY BEEN AND GET PROP 8 OVERTURNED.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU FROM BEEN AND GET PROP 8 OVERTURNED.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE ABOUT HOW DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE ABOUT HOW THEY WILL RULE?

A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE ABOUT HOW THEY WILL RULE?

>> IT'S GOING TO BE INTERESTING.

THEY WILL RULE?

>> IT'S GOING TO BE INTERESTING.

THIS MAY BE A WIN-WIN IN SOME >> IT'S GOING TO BE INTERESTING.

THIS MAY BE A WIN-WIN IN SOME SENSE FOR BOTH SIDES, AND THE THIS MAY BE A WIN-WIN IN SOME SENSE FOR BOTH SIDES, AND THE SO-CALLED DOMA DEFENSE OF SENSE FOR BOTH SIDES, AND THE SO-CALLED DOMA DEFENSE OF MARRIAGE ACT CASE, IT WOULD BE SO-CALLED DOMA DEFENSE OF MARRIAGE ACT CASE, IT WOULD BE VERY STRANGE FOR THE SUPREME MARRIAGE ACT CASE, IT WOULD BE VERY STRANGE FOR THE SUPREME COURT NOT TO TAKE THE USUAL VERY STRANGE FOR THE SUPREME COURT NOT TO TAKE THE USUAL STANCE OF COURTS WHEN IT COMES COURT NOT TO TAKE THE USUAL STANCE OF COURTS WHEN IT COMES TO STATE ISSUES, DEFERRING TO STANCE OF COURTS WHEN IT COMES TO STATE ISSUES, DEFERRING TO THE STATE.

TO STATE ISSUES, DEFERRING TO THE STATE.

AND MARRIAGE IS A STATE ISSUE THE STATE.

AND MARRIAGE IS A STATE ISSUE 100%.

AND MARRIAGE IS A STATE ISSUE 100%.

>> FAMILY -- ALL FAMILY LAW.

100%.

>> FAMILY -- ALL FAMILY LAW.

>> ALL OF FAMILY LAW.

>> FAMILY -- ALL FAMILY LAW.

>> ALL OF FAMILY LAW.

NOW -- SO WITHOUT GETTING INTO >> ALL OF FAMILY LAW.

NOW -- SO WITHOUT GETTING INTO THE TECHNICALITIES, THE WAY FOR NOW -- SO WITHOUT GETTING INTO THE TECHNICALITIES, THE WAY FOR THE LAYPERSON TO UNDERSTAND THIS THE TECHNICALITIES, THE WAY FOR THE LAYPERSON TO UNDERSTAND THIS IS THAT THE STATE DEFINES THE LAYPERSON TO UNDERSTAND THIS IS THAT THE STATE DEFINES MARRIAGE, ONCE IT DEFINES IS THAT THE STATE DEFINES MARRIAGE, ONCE IT DEFINES MARRIAGE, HOW CAN THE FEDERAL MARRIAGE, ONCE IT DEFINES MARRIAGE, HOW CAN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TREAT TWO DIFFERENT MARRIAGE, HOW CAN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TREAT TWO DIFFERENT MARRIAGES BOTH LAWFUL UNEQUALLY?

GOVERNMENT TREAT TWO DIFFERENT MARRIAGES BOTH LAWFUL UNEQUALLY?

IT MAY NOT HAVE TO REACH THE MARRIAGES BOTH LAWFUL UNEQUALLY?

IT MAY NOT HAVE TO REACH THE QUESTION OF EQUAL PROTECTION IT.

IT MAY NOT HAVE TO REACH THE QUESTION OF EQUAL PROTECTION IT.

MAY GO OFF ON STATE'S RIGHTS.

QUESTION OF EQUAL PROTECTION IT.

MAY GO OFF ON STATE'S RIGHTS.

WE WIN.

MAY GO OFF ON STATE'S RIGHTS.

WE WIN.

YOU WIN.

WE WIN.

YOU WIN.

>> IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING, YOU WIN.

>> IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING, THOUGH.

>> IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING, THOUGH.

IT TOOK UNTIL 1967 FOR THOUGH.

IT TOOK UNTIL 1967 FOR INTERRACIAL MARRIAGE TO BE IT TOOK UNTIL 1967 FOR INTERRACIAL MARRIAGE TO BE DECLARED THE LAW OF THE LAND.

INTERRACIAL MARRIAGE TO BE DECLARED THE LAW OF THE LAND.

LAND, DECLARED THE LAW OF THE LAND.

LAND, PERMISSIBLE IN EVERY STATE, THE LAND, PERMISSIBLE IN EVERY STATE, THE 16 STATES THAT FORBADE IT HAD TO PERMISSIBLE IN EVERY STATE, THE 16 STATES THAT FORBADE IT HAD TO GET RID OF IT BECAUSE OF A 16 STATES THAT FORBADE IT HAD TO GET RID OF IT BECAUSE OF A SUPREME COURT DECISION, SO THIS GET RID OF IT BECAUSE OF A SUPREME COURT DECISION, SO THIS IS A FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION ABOUT SUPREME COURT DECISION, SO THIS IS A FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION ABOUT FAIRNESS AT STAKE HERE, AND THE IS A FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION ABOUT FAIRNESS AT STAKE HERE, AND THE THING THAT I THINK IS SO FAIRNESS AT STAKE HERE, AND THE THING THAT I THINK IS SO INTERESTING BECAUSE I'M SURE THING THAT I THINK IS SO INTERESTING BECAUSE I'M SURE YOU'RE RIGHT THAT THE JUSTICES INTERESTING BECAUSE I'M SURE YOU'RE RIGHT THAT THE JUSTICES ARE LIKELY TO PUNT ON THIS AND YOU'RE RIGHT THAT THE JUSTICES ARE LIKELY TO PUNT ON THIS AND REALLY I THINK BOTH DOMA AND ARE LIKELY TO PUNT ON THIS AND REALLY I THINK BOTH DOMA AND PROP 8 ARE GOING TO GO DOWN AT REALLY I THINK BOTH DOMA AND PROP 8 ARE GOING TO GO DOWN AT THE LOWER COURT LEVEL BECAUSE OF PROP 8 ARE GOING TO GO DOWN AT THE LOWER COURT LEVEL BECAUSE OF WHAT THE SUPREME COURT DECIDES, THE LOWER COURT LEVEL BECAUSE OF WHAT THE SUPREME COURT DECIDES, AND YET THERE WON'T BE SORT OF A WHAT THE SUPREME COURT DECIDES, AND YET THERE WON'T BE SORT OF A HUGE PRECEDENT, BUT THE ISSUE OF AND YET THERE WON'T BE SORT OF A HUGE PRECEDENT, BUT THE ISSUE OF STANDING IS WHAT'S TROUBLING THE HUGE PRECEDENT, BUT THE ISSUE OF STANDING IS WHAT'S TROUBLING THE ADJUSTS.

STANDING IS WHAT'S TROUBLING THE ADJUSTS.

>> KENNEDY, THE SWING VOTE.

ADJUSTS.

>> KENNEDY, THE SWING VOTE.

>> AND THEY'RE SAYING THE >> KENNEDY, THE SWING VOTE.

>> AND THEY'RE SAYING THE CITIZENS OF CALIFORNIA WHO >> AND THEY'RE SAYING THE CITIZENS OF CALIFORNIA WHO PUSHED FORWARD THIS MAKING GAY CITIZENS OF CALIFORNIA WHO PUSHED FORWARD THIS MAKING GAY MARRIAGE ILLEGAL UNDER PROP 8 PUSHED FORWARD THIS MAKING GAY MARRIAGE ILLEGAL UNDER PROP 8 DON'T REALLY OF STANDING, AND MARRIAGE ILLEGAL UNDER PROP 8 DON'T REALLY OF STANDING, AND THE HOUSE REPUBLICANS WHO ARE DON'T REALLY OF STANDING, AND THE HOUSE REPUBLICANS WHO ARE BEHIND MAINTAINING DEFENSE OF THE HOUSE REPUBLICANS WHO ARE BEHIND MAINTAINING DEFENSE OF MARRIAGE ACT DON'T HAVE BEHIND MAINTAINING DEFENSE OF MARRIAGE ACT DON'T HAVE STANDING, AND THIS IS BEYOND A MARRIAGE ACT DON'T HAVE STANDING, AND THIS IS BEYOND A LEGAL ISSUE.

STANDING, AND THIS IS BEYOND A LEGAL ISSUE.

THIS IS A FUNDAMENTAL ISSUE.

LEGAL ISSUE.

THIS IS A FUNDAMENTAL ISSUE.

WHO HAS STANDING TO SAY THIS THIS IS A FUNDAMENTAL ISSUE.

WHO HAS STANDING TO SAY THIS HURTS ME?

WHO HAS STANDING TO SAY THIS HURTS ME?

DEFENDING MARRIAGE FROM WHO, FOR HURTS ME?

DEFENDING MARRIAGE FROM WHO, FOR WHAT PURPOSE?

DEFENDING MARRIAGE FROM WHO, FOR WHAT PURPOSE?

STRAIGHT ENORMOUS THREATENED BY WHAT PURPOSE?

STRAIGHT ENORMOUS THREATENED BY GAY MARRIAGE, AND THERE IS NO -- STRAIGHT ENORMOUS THREATENED BY GAY MARRIAGE, AND THERE IS NO -- >> CLEARLY THE CHURCH GROUPS WHO GAY MARRIAGE, AND THERE IS NO -- >> CLEARLY THE CHURCH GROUPS WHO ARE, YOU KNOW, THE CHRISTIAN >> CLEARLY THE CHURCH GROUPS WHO ARE, YOU KNOW, THE CHRISTIAN EVANGELICALS ARE BEHIND THIS ARE, YOU KNOW, THE CHRISTIAN EVANGELICALS ARE BEHIND THIS MOVEMENT.

EVANGELICALS ARE BEHIND THIS MOVEMENT.

>> THEY MUST FEEL -- WELL, THEY MOVEMENT.

>> THEY MUST FEEL -- WELL, THEY MUST FEEL THREATENED.

>> THEY MUST FEEL -- WELL, THEY MUST FEEL THREATENED.

THREATENED.

MUST FEEL THREATENED.

THREATENED.

>> THERE ARE SO MANY LAYER TOSS THREATENED.

>> THERE ARE SO MANY LAYER TOSS THIS AND IT'S DEFINITELY THE >> THERE ARE SO MANY LAYER TOSS THIS AND IT'S DEFINITELY THE RELIGIOUS LEFT SPIRITUAL LEVEL THIS AND IT'S DEFINITELY THE RELIGIOUS LEFT SPIRITUAL LEVEL WHERE PEOPLE JUST BELIEVE THAT RELIGIOUS LEFT SPIRITUAL LEVEL WHERE PEOPLE JUST BELIEVE THAT THE BIBLE, I'M QUOTING OTHER WHERE PEOPLE JUST BELIEVE THAT THE BIBLE, I'M QUOTING OTHER PEOPLE, THAT THE BIBLE SAID THE BIBLE, I'M QUOTING OTHER PEOPLE, THAT THE BIBLE SAID MARRIAGE COVENANT BETWEEN A MAN PEOPLE, THAT THE BIBLE SAID MARRIAGE COVENANT BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN.

MARRIAGE COVENANT BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN.

MY THING IS IT REALLY NEEDS TO AND A WOMAN.

MY THING IS IT REALLY NEEDS TO GO BACK TO THE STATES, AND I MY THING IS IT REALLY NEEDS TO GO BACK TO THE STATES, AND I THINK THAT YOU VOTE YOUR GO GO BACK TO THE STATES, AND I THINK THAT YOU VOTE YOUR GO LEGISLATOR AND YOU GO TO YOUR THINK THAT YOU VOTE YOUR GO LEGISLATOR AND YOU GO TO YOUR BALLOT AND YOU MAKE YOUR LEGISLATOR AND YOU GO TO YOUR BALLOT AND YOU MAKE YOUR DECISION AND IT'S DONE, AND IT BALLOT AND YOU MAKE YOUR DECISION AND IT'S DONE, AND IT BOTHERS ME THAT WE'RE AT THIS, DECISION AND IT'S DONE, AND IT BOTHERS ME THAT WE'RE AT THIS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE AT THIS BOTHERS ME THAT WE'RE AT THIS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE AT THIS CROSSROADS SITTING BEFORE THE YOU KNOW, WE'RE AT THIS CROSSROADS SITTING BEFORE THE SUPREME COURT BECAUSE I THINK CROSSROADS SITTING BEFORE THE SUPREME COURT BECAUSE I THINK THIS REALLY NEEDS TO BE DECIDED SUPREME COURT BECAUSE I THINK THIS REALLY NEEDS TO BE DECIDED AT THAT LEVEL.

THIS REALLY NEEDS TO BE DECIDED AT THAT LEVEL.

>> AT THE STATE LEVEL.

AT THAT LEVEL.

>> AT THE STATE LEVEL.

>> YEAH, NOT AT THE SUPREME >> AT THE STATE LEVEL.

>> YEAH, NOT AT THE SUPREME COURT LEVEL.

>> YEAH, NOT AT THE SUPREME COURT LEVEL.

>> BUT IF YOU'RE MARRIED IN ONE COURT LEVEL.

>> BUT IF YOU'RE MARRIED IN ONE THE STATE AND ANOTHER STATE >> BUT IF YOU'RE MARRIED IN ONE THE STATE AND ANOTHER STATE DOESN'T RECOGNIZE YOUR MARRIAGE THE STATE AND ANOTHER STATE DOESN'T RECOGNIZE YOUR MARRIAGE WHAT KIND OF MESS DOES THAT DOESN'T RECOGNIZE YOUR MARRIAGE WHAT KIND OF MESS DOES THAT CREATE?

WHAT KIND OF MESS DOES THAT CREATE?

EITHER YOUR MARRIED OR NOT CREATE?

EITHER YOUR MARRIED OR NOT MARRIED.

EITHER YOUR MARRIED OR NOT MARRIED.

YOU THE PROPONENTS SAY ALL THE MARRIED.

YOU THE PROPONENTS SAY ALL THE GAY PEOPLE SHOULD JUST MOVE TO YOU THE PROPONENTS SAY ALL THE GAY PEOPLE SHOULD JUST MOVE TO STATE'S WHERE GAY MARRIAGE IS GAY PEOPLE SHOULD JUST MOVE TO STATE'S WHERE GAY MARRIAGE IS ALLOWED.

STATE'S WHERE GAY MARRIAGE IS ALLOWED.

THAT'S AN OUTRAGE.

ALLOWED.

THAT'S AN OUTRAGE.

>> AND IT'S ALWAYS BAD FOR.

THAT'S AN OUTRAGE.

>> AND IT'S ALWAYS BAD FOR.

GOOD LUCK WHEN ALL THE GAY >> AND IT'S ALWAYS BAD FOR.

GOOD LUCK WHEN ALL THE GAY PEOPLE MOVE OUT OF YOUR STATE.

GOOD LUCK WHEN ALL THE GAY PEOPLE MOVE OUT OF YOUR STATE.

>> WHEN YOU THINK OF HOW OPINION PEOPLE MOVE OUT OF YOUR STATE.

>> WHEN YOU THINK OF HOW OPINION IS SHIFTING ON THIS, I THINK >> WHEN YOU THINK OF HOW OPINION IS SHIFTING ON THIS, I THINK THIS IS AN OUTLIER POS BUT IS SHIFTING ON THIS, I THINK THIS IS AN OUTLIER POS BUT BECAUSE FOR A LONG WHILE WE HAD THIS IS AN OUTLIER POS BUT BECAUSE FOR A LONG WHILE WE HAD ONE FLOW OF INFORMATION AGAINST BECAUSE FOR A LONG WHILE WE HAD ONE FLOW OF INFORMATION AGAINST GAY MARRIAGE.

ONE FLOW OF INFORMATION AGAINST GAY MARRIAGE.

NOW NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE TWO GAY MARRIAGE.

NOW NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE TWO FLOWS INFORMATION, LOTS MORE NOW NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE TWO FLOWS INFORMATION, LOTS MORE PEOPLE SUPPORTING GAY MARRIAGE FLOWS INFORMATION, LOTS MORE PEOPLE SUPPORTING GAY MARRIAGE BUT COMING FROM CONSERVATIVES.

PEOPLE SUPPORTING GAY MARRIAGE BUT COMING FROM CONSERVATIVES.

SO WE HAVE LOTS OF CONSERVATIVE BUT COMING FROM CONSERVATIVES.

SO WE HAVE LOTS OF CONSERVATIVE LEADERS, PEOPLE STANDING UP AT SO WE HAVE LOTS OF CONSERVATIVE LEADERS, PEOPLE STANDING UP AT C-PAC AND SAY THIS IS RIDICULOUS LEADERS, PEOPLE STANDING UP AT C-PAC AND SAY THIS IS RIDICULOUS THAT WE'RE NOT HAD A MORE C-PAC AND SAY THIS IS RIDICULOUS THAT WE'RE NOT HAD A MORE INCLUSIVE PARTY.

THAT WE'RE NOT HAD A MORE INCLUSIVE PARTY.

I THINK YOU WILL SEE THOSE INCLUSIVE PARTY.

I THINK YOU WILL SEE THOSE CUSHIONS.

I THINK YOU WILL SEE THOSE CUSHIONS.

>> WE'RE OUT OF TIME ON THIS CUSHIONS.

>> WE'RE OUT OF TIME ON THIS TOPIC.

>> WE'RE OUT OF TIME ON THIS TOPIC.

THINNED HESS LINED.

TOPIC.

THINNED HESS LINED.

, THE THINNED HESS LINED.

, THE WESTBORO BAPTIST CHURCH.

, THE WESTBORO BAPTIST CHURCH.

THE CHURCH IS KNOWN FOR WESTBORO BAPTIST CHURCH.

THE CHURCH IS KNOWN FOR PICKETING SOLDIERS' FUNERALS AND THE CHURCH IS KNOWN FOR PICKETING SOLDIERS' FUNERALS AND ITS EXTREME, ALMOST NONSENSICAL PICKETING SOLDIERS' FUNERALS AND ITS EXTREME, ALMOST NONSENSICAL ANTI-GAY STANCE.

ITS EXTREME, ALMOST NONSENSICAL ANTI-GAY STANCE.

IN HER BOOK “BANISHED,” LAUREN ANTI-GAY STANCE.

IN HER BOOK “BANISHED,” LAUREN DRAIN RECOUNTS THE YEARS SHE IN HER BOOK “BANISHED,” LAUREN DRAIN RECOUNTS THE YEARS SHE SPENT IN THE CHURCH BEFORE BEING DRAIN RECOUNTS THE YEARS SHE SPENT IN THE CHURCH BEFORE BEING CAST OUT AND DISOWNED BY HER SPENT IN THE CHURCH BEFORE BEING CAST OUT AND DISOWNED BY HER FAMILY.

CAST OUT AND DISOWNED BY HER FAMILY.

>> WHEN I WAS FIRST KICKED OUT, FAMILY.

>> WHEN I WAS FIRST KICKED OUT, I WASN'T FULLY PREPARED FOR THAT >> WHEN I WAS FIRST KICKED OUT, I WASN'T FULLY PREPARED FOR THAT KIND OF OSTRACISM.

I WASN'T FULLY PREPARED FOR THAT KIND OF OSTRACISM.

I WASN'T FULLY PREPARED FOR KIND OF OSTRACISM.

I WASN'T FULLY PREPARED FOR LOSING MY FAMILY, MY MOTHER, MY I WASN'T FULLY PREPARED FOR LOSING MY FAMILY, MY MOTHER, MY FATHER, MY LITTLE SIBLINGS.

LOSING MY FAMILY, MY MOTHER, MY FATHER, MY LITTLE SIBLINGS.

I WAS 21 YEARS OLD.

FATHER, MY LITTLE SIBLINGS.

I WAS 21 YEARS OLD.

I HADN'T REALLY SEEN THE WORLD.

I WAS 21 YEARS OLD.

I HADN'T REALLY SEEN THE WORLD.

EVERYONE ELSE WAS LABELED AS I HADN'T REALLY SEEN THE WORLD.

EVERYONE ELSE WAS LABELED AS EVIL TO ME.

EVERYONE ELSE WAS LABELED AS EVIL TO ME.

I HAD A VERY JUDGMENTAL EVIL TO ME.

I HAD A VERY JUDGMENTAL PERSONALITY AND MINDSET.

I HAD A VERY JUDGMENTAL PERSONALITY AND MINDSET.

I WAS FULLY BRAINWASHED.

PERSONALITY AND MINDSET.

I WAS FULLY BRAINWASHED.

>> BRAIN BECAME INVOLVED IN THE I WAS FULLY BRAINWASHED.

>> BRAIN BECAME INVOLVED IN THE WESTBORO BAPTIST CHURCH WHEN HER >> BRAIN BECAME INVOLVED IN THE WESTBORO BAPTIST CHURCH WHEN HER FATHER DECIDE JOIN THE WESTBORO BAPTIST CHURCH WHEN HER FATHER DECIDE JOIN THE CONGREGATION LED BY FRED PHELPS.

FATHER DECIDE JOIN THE CONGREGATION LED BY FRED PHELPS.

HE HAD PLANNED TO MAKE A CONGREGATION LED BY FRED PHELPS.

HE HAD PLANNED TO MAKE A DOCUMENTARY MOCKING THE CHURCH HE HAD PLANNED TO MAKE A DOCUMENTARY MOCKING THE CHURCH BUT INSTEAD FOUND ITS DOCTRINE DOCUMENTARY MOCKING THE CHURCH BUT INSTEAD FOUND ITS DOCTRINE CONVINCING AND MOVED HIS ENTIRE BUT INSTEAD FOUND ITS DOCTRINE CONVINCING AND MOVED HIS ENTIRE FAMILY TO THE CHURCH COMPOUND.

CONVINCING AND MOVED HIS ENTIRE FAMILY TO THE CHURCH COMPOUND.

>> AT ABOUT AGE 14 MY FATHER FAMILY TO THE CHURCH COMPOUND.

>> AT ABOUT AGE 14 MY FATHER STARTED MAKING SOME HUGE >> AT ABOUT AGE 14 MY FATHER STARTED MAKING SOME HUGE CHANGES.

STARTED MAKING SOME HUGE CHANGES.

HE PULLED ME OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL, CHANGES.

HE PULLED ME OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL, HE TOOK ME AWAY FROM MY FRIENDS, HE PULLED ME OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL, HE TOOK ME AWAY FROM MY FRIENDS, AND HE TOLD ME THAT HE WAS GOING HE TOOK ME AWAY FROM MY FRIENDS, AND HE TOLD ME THAT HE WAS GOING TO START RAISING OUR FAMILY AND HE TOLD ME THAT HE WAS GOING TO START RAISING OUR FAMILY CHRISTIAN, ACCORDING TO THE TO START RAISING OUR FAMILY CHRISTIAN, ACCORDING TO THE PHELPS' CHURCH.

CHRISTIAN, ACCORDING TO THE PHELPS' CHURCH.

AND THEIR DOCTRINE.

PHELPS' CHURCH.

AND THEIR DOCTRINE.

>> DRAIN PARTICIPATED IN AND THEIR DOCTRINE.

>> DRAIN PARTICIPATED IN WESTBORO BAPTIST'S EFFORT TO >> DRAIN PARTICIPATED IN WESTBORO BAPTIST'S EFFORT TO SPREAD ITS VITRIOLIC MESSAGE.

WESTBORO BAPTIST'S EFFORT TO SPREAD ITS VITRIOLIC MESSAGE.

BUT SHE WAS ULTIMATELY BANISHED SPREAD ITS VITRIOLIC MESSAGE.

BUT SHE WAS ULTIMATELY BANISHED FROM THE CHURCH BECAUSE SHE HAD BUT SHE WAS ULTIMATELY BANISHED FROM THE CHURCH BECAUSE SHE HAD BEEN FOUND CHATTING ONLINE WITH FROM THE CHURCH BECAUSE SHE HAD BEEN FOUND CHATTING ONLINE WITH A BOY.

BEEN FOUND CHATTING ONLINE WITH A BOY.

DROPPED OFF AT A NEARBY HOTEL A BOY.

DROPPED OFF AT A NEARBY HOTEL WITH A FEW POSSESSIONS, DRAIN DROPPED OFF AT A NEARBY HOTEL WITH A FEW POSSESSIONS, DRAIN IS TRIED HARD TO RECONNECT WITH WITH A FEW POSSESSIONS, DRAIN IS TRIED HARD TO RECONNECT WITH HER IS TRIED HARD TO RECONNECT WITH HER FAMILY, BUT HER FAMILY WANTED NO HER FAMILY, BUT HER FAMILY WANTED NO PART OF THAT.

FAMILY, BUT HER FAMILY WANTED NO PART OF THAT.

>> IT'S A DESPERATE ACT.

PART OF THAT.

>> IT'S A DESPERATE ACT.

YOU WANT TO SAVE YOUR RELATIONS >> IT'S A DESPERATE ACT.

YOU WANT TO SAVE YOUR RELATIONS WITH YOUR FAMILY.

YOU WANT TO SAVE YOUR RELATIONS WITH YOUR FAMILY.

AND AT THAT TIME I DID, AND I WITH YOUR FAMILY.

AND AT THAT TIME I DID, AND I WAS TRAUMATIZED.

AND AT THAT TIME I DID, AND I WAS TRAUMATIZED.

BUT FORTUNATELY FOR ME, I'VE WAS TRAUMATIZED.

BUT FORTUNATELY FOR ME, I'VE GROWN FROM THAT.

BUT FORTUNATELY FOR ME, I'VE GROWN FROM THAT.

>> AS TIME WENT ON, DRAIN MET GROWN FROM THAT.

>> AS TIME WENT ON, DRAIN MET SEVERAL PEOPLE WHOM SHE ONCE >> AS TIME WENT ON, DRAIN MET SEVERAL PEOPLE WHOM SHE ONCE WOULD HAVE CONDEMNED AS SINNERS.

SEVERAL PEOPLE WHOM SHE ONCE WOULD HAVE CONDEMNED AS SINNERS.

DUE TO HER CHURCH-SHAPED WORLD WOULD HAVE CONDEMNED AS SINNERS.

DUE TO HER CHURCH-SHAPED WORLD VIEW, DRAIN EXPECTED TO BE DUE TO HER CHURCH-SHAPED WORLD VIEW, DRAIN EXPECTED TO BE CASTIGATED BUT INSTEAD FOUND VIEW, DRAIN EXPECTED TO BE CASTIGATED BUT INSTEAD FOUND FORGIVENESS.

CASTIGATED BUT INSTEAD FOUND FORGIVENESS.

>> I DID HARMFUL THINGS, AND I'M FORGIVENESS.

>> I DID HARMFUL THINGS, AND I'M OPENLY SORRY FOR IT.

>> I DID HARMFUL THINGS, AND I'M OPENLY SORRY FOR IT.

I THOUGHT THAT PEOPLE WOULD OPENLY SORRY FOR IT.

I THOUGHT THAT PEOPLE WOULD JUDGE ME AND CASTIGATE ME.

I THOUGHT THAT PEOPLE WOULD JUDGE ME AND CASTIGATE ME.

EVEN WHEN I WAS THROWN OUT, I JUDGE ME AND CASTIGATE ME.

EVEN WHEN I WAS THROWN OUT, I DIDN'T KNOW THE WORLD WOULD EVEN WHEN I WAS THROWN OUT, I DIDN'T KNOW THE WORLD WOULD ENCOURAGE ME OR FORGIVE ME OR DIDN'T KNOW THE WORLD WOULD ENCOURAGE ME OR FORGIVE ME OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

ENCOURAGE ME OR FORGIVE ME OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

I'VE MET MANY PEOPLE THAT I ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

I'VE MET MANY PEOPLE THAT I NEVER WOULD HAVE MET BEFORE THAT I'VE MET MANY PEOPLE THAT I NEVER WOULD HAVE MET BEFORE THAT ARE GREAT PARTS OF MY LIFE NOW.

NEVER WOULD HAVE MET BEFORE THAT ARE GREAT PARTS OF MY LIFE NOW.

I'M SO THANKFUL THAT I WAS ABLE ARE GREAT PARTS OF MY LIFE NOW.

I'M SO THANKFUL THAT I WAS ABLE TO GET PAST THAT STAGE OF MY I'M SO THANKFUL THAT I WAS ABLE TO GET PAST THAT STAGE OF MY LIFE AND MOVE ON, AND I'M VERY TO GET PAST THAT STAGE OF MY LIFE AND MOVE ON, AND I'M VERY HAPPY NOW.

LIFE AND MOVE ON, AND I'M VERY HAPPY NOW.

>> DRAIN SAYS SHE DOES NOT WANT HAPPY NOW.

>> DRAIN SAYS SHE DOES NOT WANT TO BRING MORE ATTENTION TO THE >> DRAIN SAYS SHE DOES NOT WANT TO BRING MORE ATTENTION TO THE CHURCH AND BELIEVES IT'S BEST TO TO BRING MORE ATTENTION TO THE CHURCH AND BELIEVES IT'S BEST TO I GO INNER WESTSBORO BAPTIST.

CHURCH AND BELIEVES IT'S BEST TO I GO INNER WESTSBORO BAPTIST.

SHE WROTE THE BOOK TO REACH OUT I GO INNER WESTSBORO BAPTIST.

SHE WROTE THE BOOK TO REACH OUT TO YOUNG PEOPLE IN SIMILAR SHE WROTE THE BOOK TO REACH OUT TO YOUNG PEOPLE IN SIMILAR SITUATIONS.

TO YOUNG PEOPLE IN SIMILAR SITUATIONS.

>> THERE'S A LOT OF CULTS OUT SITUATIONS.

>> THERE'S A LOT OF CULTS OUT THERE, AND THERE'S A LOT OF >> THERE'S A LOT OF CULTS OUT THERE, AND THERE'S A LOT OF EXTREME SITUATIONS THAT CHILDREN THERE, AND THERE'S A LOT OF EXTREME SITUATIONS THAT CHILDREN GET RAISED IN, AND IT'S A EXTREME SITUATIONS THAT CHILDREN GET RAISED IN, AND IT'S A HORRIBLE THING.

GET RAISED IN, AND IT'S A HORRIBLE THING.

IT'S A FORM OF ABUSE, REALLY, HORRIBLE THING.

IT'S A FORM OF ABUSE, REALLY, IT'S A FORM OF EMOTIONAL ABUSE.

IT'S A FORM OF ABUSE, REALLY, IT'S A FORM OF EMOTIONAL ABUSE.

I TRY TO EXPOUND ON THE GOOD IT'S A FORM OF EMOTIONAL ABUSE.

I TRY TO EXPOUND ON THE GOOD MESSAGE THAT PEOPLE CAN CHANGE.

I TRY TO EXPOUND ON THE GOOD MESSAGE THAT PEOPLE CAN CHANGE.

I TRY TO SHOW HOW THE CHILDREN MESSAGE THAT PEOPLE CAN CHANGE.

I TRY TO SHOW HOW THE CHILDREN ARE BRAINWASHED AND TRY TO I TRY TO SHOW HOW THE CHILDREN ARE BRAINWASHED AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A VERY ARE BRAINWASHED AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A VERY EVIL THING THAT THE CHILDREN UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A VERY EVIL THING THAT THE CHILDREN HAVE NO CONTROL OVER.

EVIL THING THAT THE CHILDREN HAVE NO CONTROL OVER.

>> DRAIN HOPES SHARING HER HAVE NO CONTROL OVER.

>> DRAIN HOPES SHARING HER EXPERIENCE GIVES HOPE TO OTHERS.

>> DRAIN HOPES SHARING HER EXPERIENCE GIVES HOPE TO OTHERS.

>> I WOULD JUST TELL ANYONE THAT EXPERIENCE GIVES HOPE TO OTHERS.

>> I WOULD JUST TELL ANYONE THAT MIGHT BE STUCK IN A SIMILAR >> I WOULD JUST TELL ANYONE THAT MIGHT BE STUCK IN A SIMILAR SITUATION THAT PEOPLE ARE VERY MIGHT BE STUCK IN A SIMILAR SITUATION THAT PEOPLE ARE VERY FORGIVING, VERY SUPPORTING, THEY SITUATION THAT PEOPLE ARE VERY FORGIVING, VERY SUPPORTING, THEY DO UNDERSTAND.

FORGIVING, VERY SUPPORTING, THEY DO UNDERSTAND.

THEY MIGHT NOT FULLY UNDERSTOOD DO UNDERSTAND.

THEY MIGHT NOT FULLY UNDERSTOOD WHAT HAPPENED, BUT THEY CAN THEY MIGHT NOT FULLY UNDERSTOOD WHAT HAPPENED, BUT THEY CAN UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE CAN WHAT HAPPENED, BUT THEY CAN UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE CAN CHANGE, AND PEOPLE DO.

UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE CAN CHANGE, AND PEOPLE DO.

AND THERE IS FORGIVENESS OUT CHANGE, AND PEOPLE DO.

AND THERE IS FORGIVENESS OUT THERE.

AND THERE IS FORGIVENESS OUT THERE.

>> IT'S REALLY HARD TO BELIEVE THERE.

>> IT'S REALLY HARD TO BELIEVE THAT TODAY, SO MANY YEARS AFTER >> IT'S REALLY HARD TO BELIEVE THAT TODAY, SO MANY YEARS AFTER THE -- WHEN YOU ALL THAT GROUP, THAT TODAY, SO MANY YEARS AFTER THE -- WHEN YOU ALL THAT GROUP, THEY CHILD THEMSELVES IN GUY THE -- WHEN YOU ALL THAT GROUP, THEY CHILD THEMSELVES IN GUY ANA, THAT -- JIM JONES, THAT THEY CHILD THEMSELVES IN GUY ANA, THAT -- JIM JONES, THAT THERE ARE STILL CULTS LIKE THIS, ANA, THAT -- JIM JONES, THAT THERE ARE STILL CULTS LIKE THIS, LOTS OF THEM GOING TO.

THERE ARE STILL CULTS LIKE THIS, LOTS OF THEM GOING TO.

SHOULD THEY BE REGULATED?

LOTS OF THEM GOING TO.

SHOULD THEY BE REGULATED?

>> REGULATING THE CULTS?

SHOULD THEY BE REGULATED?

>> REGULATING THE CULTS?

I'D LINING TO SEE THE OFFICE >> REGULATING THE CULTS?

I'D LINING TO SEE THE OFFICE THAT DOES THAT.

I'D LINING TO SEE THE OFFICE THAT DOES THAT.

>> OR BANISHED?

THAT DOES THAT.

>> OR BANISHED?

>> I THINK THERE IS -- I THINK >> OR BANISHED?

>> I THINK THERE IS -- I THINK ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THAT I >> I THINK THERE IS -- I THINK ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THAT I THOUGHT ABOUT LISTENING TO THIS ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THAT I THOUGHT ABOUT LISTENING TO THIS STORY, BECAUSE IT IS SO POIGNANT THOUGHT ABOUT LISTENING TO THIS STORY, BECAUSE IT IS SO POIGNANT AND AFFECTING, HERE'S THIS CHILD STORY, BECAUSE IT IS SO POIGNANT AND AFFECTING, HERE'S THIS CHILD STRUGGLING AGAINST HER FAMILY AND AFFECTING, HERE'S THIS CHILD STRUGGLING AGAINST HER FAMILY AND THE WHOLE WORLD THAT SHE STRUGGLING AGAINST HER FAMILY AND THE WHOLE WORLD THAT SHE SEES AROUND HER AND TREATED SO AND THE WHOLE WORLD THAT SHE SEES AROUND HER AND TREATED SO HARSHLY AND WHO IS THERE FOR SEES AROUND HER AND TREATED SO HARSHLY AND WHO IS THERE FOR HER?

HARSHLY AND WHO IS THERE FOR HER?

AND I THINK IT'S REALLY AN HER?

AND I THINK IT'S REALLY AN ARGUMENT FOR HAVING A STRONG AND I THINK IT'S REALLY AN ARGUMENT FOR HAVING A STRONG CIVIL SOCIETY.

ARGUMENT FOR HAVING A STRONG CIVIL SOCIETY.

WE NEED TEACHERS AND COACHES AND CIVIL SOCIETY.

WE NEED TEACHERS AND COACHES AND PEOPLE WHO ARE IN KIDS' LIVES WE NEED TEACHERS AND COACHES AND PEOPLE WHO ARE IN KIDS' LIVES WHO MAY BE IN REALLY DIRE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN KIDS' LIVES WHO MAY BE IN REALLY DIRE CIRCUMSTANCES AT HOME WHO GIVE WHO MAY BE IN REALLY DIRE CIRCUMSTANCES AT HOME WHO GIVE THEM A DIFFERENT VIEW OF WHAT'S CIRCUMSTANCES AT HOME WHO GIVE THEM A DIFFERENT VIEW OF WHAT'S POSSIBLE AND CAN REACH OUT TO THEM A DIFFERENT VIEW OF WHAT'S POSSIBLE AND CAN REACH OUT TO THEM.

POSSIBLE AND CAN REACH OUT TO THEM.

>> BUT SHE WASN'T GOING TO THEM.

>> BUT SHE WASN'T GOING TO SCHOOL.

>> BUT SHE WASN'T GOING TO SCHOOL.

>> THE WESTBORO FOLKS DO SEND SCHOOL.

>> THE WESTBORO FOLKS DO SEND THEIR FOLKS TO YOU WILL HAVE >> THE WESTBORO FOLKS DO SEND THEIR FOLKS TO YOU WILL HAVE SCHOOL BUT THIS GIRL WAS PULLED THEIR FOLKS TO YOU WILL HAVE SCHOOL BUT THIS GIRL WAS PULLED OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL BY HER FATHER SCHOOL BUT THIS GIRL WAS PULLED OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL BY HER FATHER WHEN THEY JOINED THE CULT SO SHE OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL BY HER FATHER WHEN THEY JOINED THE CULT SO SHE HAD BEEN DISCONNECTED OF THIS WHEN THEY JOINED THE CULT SO SHE HAD BEEN DISCONNECTED OF THIS NETWORK OF SANE PEOPLE.

HAD BEEN DISCONNECTED OF THIS NETWORK OF SANE PEOPLE.

BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO KEEP IN NETWORK OF SANE PEOPLE.

BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THERE'S A HUGE EFFORT TO BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THERE'S A HUGE EFFORT TO BREAK UP OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND MIND THERE'S A HUGE EFFORT TO BREAK UP OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND SEND VOUCHER MONEY OR TAX BREAK UP OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND SEND VOUCHER MONEY OR TAX DOLLARS INTO SOME FAIRLY DUBIOUS SEND VOUCHER MONEY OR TAX DOLLARS INTO SOME FAIRLY DUBIOUS START-UP RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS DOLLARS INTO SOME FAIRLY DUBIOUS START-UP RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS THAT ARE EDUCATING KIDS AND START-UP RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS THAT ARE EDUCATING KIDS AND TAKING OVER THAT ROLE, AND THERE THAT ARE EDUCATING KIDS AND TAKING OVER THAT ROLE, AND THERE IS A ROLE FOR CIVIL SOCIETY TO TAKING OVER THAT ROLE, AND THERE IS A ROLE FOR CIVIL SOCIETY TO JUST NOWHERE KIDS ARE AND FOR IS A ROLE FOR CIVIL SOCIETY TO JUST NOWHERE KIDS ARE AND FOR KIDS TO HAVE SOMEPLACE TO TURN JUST NOWHERE KIDS ARE AND FOR KIDS TO HAVE SOMEPLACE TO TURN BESIDES THIS VERY HERMETICALLY KIDS TO HAVE SOMEPLACE TO TURN BESIDES THIS VERY HERMETICALLY SEALED PECULIAR ENVIRONMENT THEY BESIDES THIS VERY HERMETICALLY SEALED PECULIAR ENVIRONMENT THEY MAY BE LIVING IN.

SEALED PECULIAR ENVIRONMENT THEY MAY BE LIVING IN.

>> I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAY BE LIVING IN.

>> I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS YOUNG LEAST EXPERIENCE BUT >> I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS YOUNG LEAST EXPERIENCE BUT I HAVE TO RESPOND TO THE VOUCHER THIS YOUNG LEAST EXPERIENCE BUT I HAVE TO RESPOND TO THE VOUCHER THING, AND THE VOUCHERS ARE NOT I HAVE TO RESPOND TO THE VOUCHER THING, AND THE VOUCHERS ARE NOT INTENDED TO SEND KIDS TO SOME THING, AND THE VOUCHERS ARE NOT INTENDED TO SEND KIDS TO SOME DUBE RUSS RELIGIOUS -- INTENDED TO SEND KIDS TO SOME DUBE RUSS RELIGIOUS -- >> BUT THERE ARE SOME.

DUBE RUSS RELIGIOUS -- >> BUT THERE ARE SOME.

>> THAT'S IN ALL SITUATIONS.

>> BUT THERE ARE SOME.

>> THAT'S IN ALL SITUATIONS.

IN ALL SITUATIONS.

>> THAT'S IN ALL SITUATIONS.

IN ALL SITUATIONS.

>> NO, IN SCHOOL.

IN ALL SITUATIONS.

>> NO, IN SCHOOL.

>> YEAH, BUT I'M SAYING -- >> NO, IN SCHOOL.

>> YEAH, BUT I'M SAYING -- >> THEY'RE PUBLICLY FUNDED >> YEAH, BUT I'M SAYING -- >> THEY'RE PUBLICLY FUNDED SCHOOLS THAT HAVE VERY -- >> THEY'RE PUBLICLY FUNDED SCHOOLS THAT HAVE VERY -- >> FIRST OF ALL, DON'T TALK OVER SCHOOLS THAT HAVE VERY -- >> FIRST OF ALL, DON'T TALK OVER EACH OTHER.

>> FIRST OF ALL, DON'T TALK OVER EACH OTHER.

>> SORRY.

EACH OTHER.

>> SORRY.

>> SECONDLY, LET'S NOT DE >> SORRY.

>> SECONDLY, LET'S NOT DE SOLVE -- THE VOUCHER SIR, A >> SECONDLY, LET'S NOT DE SOLVE -- THE VOUCHER SIR, A WHOLE OTHER ISSUE.

SOLVE -- THE VOUCHER SIR, A WHOLE OTHER ISSUE.

>> BUT WITH REGARD TO THE CULT WHOLE OTHER ISSUE.

>> BUT WITH REGARD TO THE CULT ISSUE, YOU THINK ABOUT PEOPLE >> BUT WITH REGARD TO THE CULT ISSUE, YOU THINK ABOUT PEOPLE WHO TALK ABOUT THE MORMON ISSUE, YOU THINK ABOUT PEOPLE WHO TALK ABOUT THE MORMON CULTURE AND WHETHER THAT IS A WHO TALK ABOUT THE MORMON CULTURE AND WHETHER THAT IS A EXULT AND THE BEHAVIORS OF THE CULTURE AND WHETHER THAT IS A EXULT AND THE BEHAVIORS OF THE MULTI-MARRYING AND THINGS OF EXULT AND THE BEHAVIORS OF THE MULTI-MARRYING AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

MULTI-MARRYING AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

IT BECOMES A SOCIETIAL DECISION THAT NATURE.

IT BECOMES A SOCIETIAL DECISION AS TO WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE AND NOT IT BECOMES A SOCIETIAL DECISION AS TO WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE AND NOT ACCEPTABLE.

AS TO WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE AND NOT ACCEPTABLE.

IT'S CLEARLY, YOU KNOW, WRONG ACCEPTABLE.

IT'S CLEARLY, YOU KNOW, WRONG FOR THESE KIDS TO BE IN THIS IT'S CLEARLY, YOU KNOW, WRONG FOR THESE KIDS TO BE IN THIS SITUATION.

FOR THESE KIDS TO BE IN THIS SITUATION.

SITUATION.

SITUATION.

SITUATION.

I DON'T AGREE WITH THIS SITUATION.

I DON'T AGREE WITH THIS ORGANIZATION BY ANY STRETCH OF I DON'T AGREE WITH THIS ORGANIZATION BY ANY STRETCH OF THE MANSION, BUT THE OTHER SIDE ORGANIZATION BY ANY STRETCH OF THE MANSION, BUT THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT COIN IS FREE SPEECH AND THE MANSION, BUT THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT COIN IS FREE SPEECH AND AS LONG AS THEY'RE NOT OF THAT COIN IS FREE SPEECH AND AS LONG AS THEY'RE NOT PHYSICALLY HARMING OTHER PEOPLE, AS LONG AS THEY'RE NOT PHYSICALLY HARMING OTHER PEOPLE, THEY ARE ALLOWED TO BELIEVE IN PHYSICALLY HARMING OTHER PEOPLE, THEY ARE ALLOWED TO BELIEVE IN WHAT THEY BELIEVE IN.

THEY ARE ALLOWED TO BELIEVE IN WHAT THEY BELIEVE IN.

>> THERE ARE BIGGER ISSUES THAT WHAT THEY BELIEVE IN.

>> THERE ARE BIGGER ISSUES THAT THERE ARE LAWS ON THE BOOKS TO >> THERE ARE BIGGER ISSUES THAT THERE ARE LAWS ON THE BOOKS TO PROTECT ALL PEOPLE, MINORS AND THERE ARE LAWS ON THE BOOKS TO PROTECT ALL PEOPLE, MINORS AND ADULTS TO MAYBE ARE BEING HELD PROTECT ALL PEOPLE, MINORS AND ADULTS TO MAYBE ARE BEING HELD AGAINST THEIR WILL.

ADULTS TO MAYBE ARE BEING HELD AGAINST THEIR WILL.

WE HAVE COMPULSORY EDUCATION AGAINST THEIR WILL.

WE HAVE COMPULSORY EDUCATION STANDARD SO IF PEOPLE ARE NOT WE HAVE COMPULSORY EDUCATION STANDARD SO IF PEOPLE ARE NOT BEING SENT TO SCHOOL WHEN THEY STANDARD SO IF PEOPLE ARE NOT BEING SENT TO SCHOOL WHEN THEY SHOULD BE, I WONDER IF YOU DIG A BEING SENT TO SCHOOL WHEN THEY SHOULD BE, I WONDER IF YOU DIG A LITTLE DEEPER WHY MORE WASN'T SHOULD BE, I WONDER IF YOU DIG A LITTLE DEEPER WHY MORE WASN'T DOWN WITH THE EXISTING LEGAL LITTLE DEEPER WHY MORE WASN'T DOWN WITH THE EXISTING LEGAL STRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE TO DOWN WITH THE EXISTING LEGAL STRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE TO PROTECT THESE CHILDREN.

STRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE TO PROTECT THESE CHILDREN.

>> AND GET USED TO IT.

PROTECT THESE CHILDREN.

>> AND GET USED TO IT.

THIS IS A -- ACCUSTOMS CULT ARE >> AND GET USED TO IT.

THIS IS A -- ACCUSTOMS CULT ARE WHO STARTED THIS COUNTRY, AND THIS IS A -- ACCUSTOMS CULT ARE WHO STARTED THIS COUNTRY, AND THERE IS A FREEDOM OF RELIGION.

WHO STARTED THIS COUNTRY, AND THERE IS A FREEDOM OF RELIGION.

>> CULTS ARE WHAT STARTED THIS THERE IS A FREEDOM OF RELIGION.

>> CULTS ARE WHAT STARTED THIS COUNTRY?

>> CULTS ARE WHAT STARTED THIS COUNTRY?

>> CULTS, MANY CULTS.

COUNTRY?

>> CULTS, MANY CULTS.

MANY PEOPLE CAME TO THIS COUNTRY >> CULTS, MANY CULTS.

MANY PEOPLE CAME TO THIS COUNTRY CAME AND NURTURED THEIR CULT MANY PEOPLE CAME TO THIS COUNTRY CAME AND NURTURED THEIR CULT HERE.

CAME AND NURTURED THEIR CULT HERE.

THAT'S THE KIND OF COUNTRY WE HERE.

THAT'S THE KIND OF COUNTRY WE ARE.

THAT'S THE KIND OF COUNTRY WE ARE.

THIS WAS CLOSE DO CHILD ABUSE ARE.

THIS WAS CLOSE DO CHILD ABUSE AND IT WOULD BE VERY HARD TO THIS WAS CLOSE DO CHILD ABUSE AND IT WOULD BE VERY HARD TO PENETRATE BECAUSE OF THE AND IT WOULD BE VERY HARD TO PENETRATE BECAUSE OF THE DOMINION OF THE FAMILY OVER THE PENETRATE BECAUSE OF THE DOMINION OF THE FAMILY OVER THE CHILD.

DOMINION OF THE FAMILY OVER THE CHILD.

VERY SCARY.

CHILD.

VERY SCARY.

>> SO THERE'S NO WAY TO SAVE -- VERY SCARY.

>> SO THERE'S NO WAY TO SAVE -- >> AND SHE TRIED TO CALL IN THE >> SO THERE'S NO WAY TO SAVE -- >> AND SHE TRIED TO CALL IN THE STATE, AND THEN HE MADE HER CALL >> AND SHE TRIED TO CALL IN THE STATE, AND THEN HE MADE HER CALL BACK AND SAY SHE DIDN'T REALLY STATE, AND THEN HE MADE HER CALL BACK AND SAY SHE DIDN'T REALLY MEAN IT.

BACK AND SAY SHE DIDN'T REALLY MEAN IT.

SHE COULD HAVE GOTTEN HELP THAT MEAN IT.

SHE COULD HAVE GOTTEN HELP THAT WAY.

SHE COULD HAVE GOTTEN HELP THAT WAY.

>> SORRY, WE'RE OUT OF TIME.

WAY.

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