THIS WEEK ON TO THE CONTRARY.•• FIRST, SOCCER?

SECURITY?

DIVERSE?

WHO WILL BE THE MOMS DECIDING THE 2016 ELECTION?

THEN, WILL EXPANDING OVERTIME LEAD TO FATTER PAYCHECKS FOR WOMEN.

BEHIND THE HEADLINES: TRANSGENDER RIGHTS, MORE THAN A BATTLE OVER BATHROOMS.

[♪♪♪] HELLO, I'M BONNIE ERBE.

WELCOME TO TO THE CONTRARY, A DISCUSSION OF NEWS AND SOCIAL TRENDS FROM DIVERSE PERSPECTIVES.

UP FIRST, THE 2016 FEMALE VOTING BLOC.

WHAT FEMALE VOTING DEMOGRAPHIC WILL BOTH SIDES COURT ON THEIR WAY TO SWINGING THIS YEAR'S PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION?

SOCCER MOMS, SECURITY MOMS, OR A NEW CATEGORY?

EARLY SIGNS SHOW HILLARY CLINTON, THE LIKELY DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION WILL HAVE A HUGE ADVANTAGE WITH WOMEN OVERALL AGAINST PRESUMPTIVE GOP NOMINEE DONALD TRUMP.

SHE'LL BE TRYING TO REPLICATE HER HUSBAND'S RECORD.

BILL CLINTON WOOED AND WON SOCCER MOMS OR WOMEN WITH CHILDREN WHO LIVE IN THE SUBURBS AND ARE SWING VOTERS - IN 1992.

THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN IS ALREADY FOCUSING ON BRINGING IN SO-CALLED SECURITY MOMS.

THESE ARE MOMS WHO PRIORITIZE NATIONAL SECURITY ABOVE OTHER ISSUES AND CAN SWING REPUBLICAN IF THEY FEEL THREATENED.

THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN IS HOPING WOMEN TRUST CLINTON'S STEADY HAND ON FOREIGN POLICY.

WHAT TYPE OF MOTHERS WILL BE THE MOST SOUGHT AFTER VOTING BLOCK THIS YEAR?

WILL IT BE SECURITY MOMS, SINGLE MOMS OR DIVERSE MOMS OR SOMETHING ELSE?

>> BONNIE CONSIDERING TRUMP'S EXTRAORDINARY UNFAVORABLES AMONG WOMEN, IT'S GOT TO BE ANY STRAY WOMAN HE CAN FIND.

>> I THINK IT IS THE STAGE IN THE GAME, SINGLE MOMS AND DIVERSE MOMS ARE LOCKED IN HILLARY'S CAMP.

>> I THINK HILLARY IS GOING TO BE DESPERATE TO GET THE OBAMA COALITION SO IT WILL BE SINGLE MOMS AND DIVERSE MOMS.

>> I HAVE TO SAY SECURITY MOMS YOU HAVE TWO CANDIDATES WHO HAVE THEIR VIEWS ON NATIONAL SECURITY.

HILLARY CLINTON HAVING BEEN SECRETARY OF STATE AND WE CAN LOOK AT HER RECORD THERE.

AND DONALD TRUMP WITH HIS STATEMENTS ABOUT FOREIGN POLICY.

IT IS A SECURITY MOM.

DO YOU FEEL THREATENED?

AND IF YOU FEEL THREATENED WHICH WAY DO YOU WANT TO GO?

>> HOW MANY SECURITY MOMS ARE DIVERSE MOMS AND SINGLE MOMS?

OR IS THAT SECURITY MOMS CODE FOR WHITE REPUBLICAN MARRIED WOMEN WHO VOTE REPUBLICAN ANYWAY.

>> OF COURSE, YES.

THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION THAT IS OBVIOUS.

I DO NOT THINK THERE IS A LOT OF OVERLAP AND I THINK THE ONLY WAY THAT DONALD TRUMP HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO CAPTURE THE SECURITY MOMS IS TO PLAY INTO THAT POLLING DATA ABOUT THE FEARS OF WHITE SUBURBAN MOMS CONCERNED ABOUT PROTECTING THEIR FAMILIES AND CHILDREN AND ACKNOWLEDGING THEY WANT SOMEONE TOUGH ON NATIONAL SECURITY.

>> THAT IS LIKE SAYING SHOULD HILLARY GO AFTER BLACKS?

TRADITIONALLY BLACKS VOTE FOR HILLARY AND TRADITIONALLY SECURITY MOMS ARE FIRMLY WITHIN THE REPUBLICAN COLUMN.

SO YOU'VE GOT TO -- >> THIS YEAR IS DIFFERENT.

>> IT WILL BE.

AND I AM THE FIRST TO ADMIT THAT.

BUT BECAUSE THEY MAY NOT BE NEARLY AS FIRMLY PARTICULARLY WITH HILLARY CLINTON.

HILLARY CLINTON IS NO DOVE.

AND SHE TALKED A LOT TOUGHER ON FOREIGN AFFAIRS OF EVERY KIND BUT CERTAINLY ON SECURITY THAN ANY MALE.

>> BUT SHE IS ACTIVE.

SHE WAS BEHIND THE LAUNCHING AIR STRIKES IN LIBYA AND -- >> WHICH SHE WILL BE CRITICIZED.

SHE HAS SHOWN SHE HAS GUMMION.

>> AND WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE ENTHUSIASM.

ARE THEY GOING TO WANT TO GO OUT FOR TRUMP VERSUS HILLARY AND THAT WILL BE THE QUESTION IN NOVEMBER.

AND RIGHT NOW, REALLY NOT SURE WHICH WAY THAT IS GOING TO FALL.

>> YOUR THOUGHTS?

WELCOME TO THE PANEL.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

I THINK THAT TRUMP IS HEDGING HIS CAMPAIGN ON THIS OVERMASCULINIZATION ON FOREIGN POLICY.

IF 2004 IS ANY INDICATION TRUMP IS THE ONE THAT WILL BE SWITCHING HORSES.

AND HE IS AN UNTESTED CANDIDATE AND I DO NOT THINK PEOPLE CONCERNED ABOUT SECURITY WILL WANT TO PUT THEIR CHIPS IN THAT BASKET.

>> WHY DO YOU SAY HE IS THEY ARE NOT GOING TO TRUST HIM IF THEY ARE REPUBLICAN AND NOT WOMEN OF COLOR ANYWAY?

>> I THINK A COUPLE REASONS.

ONE, THE WAY HE HAS CONDUCTED HIMSELF OVER THE CAMPAIGN HAS DEMONSTRATED HE DOES NOT HAVE THE DISCIPLINE TO BE COMMANDER IN CHIEF AND THE SECOND REASON THE THINGS HE SAID ABOUT WOMEN IN THE PAST ARE GOING TO ALIENATE PEOPLE THAT DO NOT WANT THEIR CHILDREN TO HEAR THAT LANGUAGE ON TELEVISION.

>> I ADD TO THAT WHAT YOU ARE SEEING NATIONAL SECURITY EVEN THOUGH THE RHETORIC THAT DONALD TRUMP PUTS OUT THERE IS AGGRESSIVE.

PEOPLE WANT THAT.

THEY WANT TO HEAR SOMEBODY SAY WE WANT TO DEFEAT ISIS.

AND I THINK THEIR NOTION OF DIPLOMACY AND BEING ABLE TO HAVE A DIALOGUE WITH NORTH KOREA OR IRAN IS NOT COMFORTABLE WITH.

I THINK DONALD TRUMP'S RHETORIC CANDIDATES THAT INDICATES THAT I WOULD HAVE TOUGH ON FOREIGN POLICY.

>> AND YOU KNOW, ON THE OTHER HAND, AND AGAIN I DON'T KNOW I DO NOT BEGIN TO BE ABLE TO PREDICT HOW SECURITY MOMS WILL VOTE AND I DO NOT THINK ANYBODY IS GOING TO KNOW UNTIL THE DAY OF THE ELECTION BECAUSE THERE WITH TRUMP THERE COULD BE SOME KIND OF EXPLOSION OR RELEASE OF INFORMATION ABOUT SOMETHING HORRIBLE THAT HAS GONE ON THAT HE HAS BEEN INVOLVED WITH IN HIS LIFE UP TO THE LAST-MINUTE.

BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, HE IS NOT GETTING FOR THE MOST PART COLLEGE EDUCATED HE IS GETTING AS HE SAID, I LOVE LESS EDUCATED PEOPLE.

AND SECURITY MOMS TEND TO BE EDUCATED.

THEY TEND TO BE ELITE BECAUSE THEY ARE REPUBLICANS AND EITHER THEY HAVE GOOD JOBS AND MAKE BIG MONEY OR MARRIED TO HUSBANDS WHO ARE.

SO ARE THEY GOING TO LOOK AND SEE HOW HE HAS REVERSED BACK AND FORTH.

>> I THINK THEY WANT MEAT ON THE BONES THEY WILL WANT MORE.

BUT HE IS PLAYING INTO A VACUUM THAT OCCURRED IN THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION WHERE FOLKS FELT LIKE WE HAVE BEEN WEAK ON FOREIGN POLICY AND WANTING TO SEE THAT STRENGTH.

THEY WILL LOOK TO SEE THAT AND I WILL HOPE FOR THAT AS WELL.

>> HOW DO YOU THINK OBAMA'S REPUTATION AS HAVING BEEN WEAK ON FOREIGN AFFAIRS, IS GOING TO IN PARTICULARLY ON ISIS, AND THOSE KINDS OF SECURITY ISSUES IS GOING TO PLAY IN TERMS OF ALL FEMALE VOTERS IN NOVEMBER?

>> YOU KNOW, YOU TALK ABOUT DEMOCRATS WHERE WE HAVE 98% AND STILL TRYING TO MOVE TRUMP UP FROM 70 SOMETHING PERCENT.

AND YOU UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT GEORGE BUSH DID BY RUSHING INTO IRAQ, IF HILLARY MAKES THESE POINTS CLEAR ENOUGH PEOPLE WILL SEE OBAMA'S UNDERSTANDING THAT AMERICA LEARNED ITS LESSON.

DON'T GO INTO THE MIDDLE EAST AND MIX IT UP.

YOU WILL NEVER GET OUT.

AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE WILL EVER GET OUT FOR THAT REASON.

>> BUT ON THE OTHER HAND TRUMP SAID THAT GEORGE BUSH WAS A DISASTER AND -- SO I MEAN ARE WOMEN GOING TO SUPPORT HIM?

I HAVE HEARD PEOPLE SAY YOU KNOW WHO DO NOT LIKE HIM AND WOULD NOT VOTE FOR HIM, HE CALLED THE PARTY OUT ON THAT AND THAT IS ONE MAIN REASON WHY PARTY LEADERSHIP AND MAINSTREAM REPUBLICANS ARE NOT VOTING FOR HIM BECAUSE THEY DO NOT LIKE THAT HE SAID THAT.

>> SOME DON'T LIKE THAT.

AND SOME LIKE THAT HE ACKNOWLEDGED THIS WAS A PROBLEM BUT YOU ALSO DON'T HAVE HIM BACK THEN HILLARY VOTED TO GO INTO IRAQ SHE HAS TO DEAL WITH THAT.

BOTH OF THEM 2020, HINDSIGHT RIGHT NOW, BUT SHE IS THE ONE THAT TOOK THE VOTE AND SHE HAS TO DEAL WITH THAT.

BOTH OF THEM KIND OF FROM A WEAK STANCE WHEN IT COMES TO THAT.

BUT AGAIN AS YOU SAID TRUMP IS OUT THERE SAYING THIS IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO AND PEOPLE ARE TIRED OF HEARING THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION TIP TOE AROUND THE WORD TERRORISM.

>> ALL RIGHT.

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FROM WOMEN VOTERS TO WOMEN WORKERS.

WILL NEW OVERTIME RULES MEAN HIGHER PAY FOR WOMEN?

YES, ACCORDING TO THE ECONOMIC POLICY INSTITUTE, WHICH ESTIMATES THEY WILL BENEFIT WOMEN, MINORITIES AND YOUNG WORKERS THE MOST.

THE RULE EXTENDS OVERTIME PROTECTION TO MORE THAN 4 MILLION (4.2) AMERICANS.

SALARIED WORKERS EARNING LESS THAN 48-THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR (47,476), DOUBLE THE CURRENT THRESHOLD, WILL BE DUE OVERTIME PAY IF THEY WORK MORE THAN 40 HOURS A WEEK.

LABOR GROUPS SAY IT'S A LONG OVERDUE VICTORY FOR WORKERS.

BUT NOT EVERYONE AGREES.

CRITICS FEAR THE NEW RULE WILL FORCE BUSINESSES TO MAKE CHANGES THAT WON'T RESULT IN BIGGER PAYCHECKS, JUST FEWER WORKING HOURS.

THEY ALSO CHARGE IT WILL LIMIT WORKER FLEXIBILITY.

NEWLY OT ELIGIBLE EMPLOYEES WON'T BE ABLE TO TRADE EXTRA HOURS OR WEEKEND WORK FOR COMP TIME THAT THEY MIGHT USE TO BE WITH THEIR FAMILIES.

AND SINCE EMPLOYERS WILL NEED TO CAREFULLY TRACK WORKERS' HOURS, COMPANIES MAY NOT BE AS OPEN TO ALLOWING WORKERS TO TELECOMMUTE.

JENNIFER WAS THIS A GOOD IDEA OR BAD IDEA?

AND SHOULD IT HAVE BEEN PUT INTO EFFECT THE WAY THAT OBAMA DID IT BY EXECUTIVE ORDER?

>> THE INTENT OF THE ADMINISTRATION WAS TO ADDRESS A LACK OF EFFORT BY CONGRESS TO COMPLETE WORK ON MINIMUM WAGE LEGISLATION AND HIS IS A WAY TO MAKE AN AGGRESSIVE EFFORT TO ENSURE THAT WAGES ARE INCREASED.

WHETHER THAT MEANS THAT THAT HAPPENS OR NOT, I THINK THERE ARE QUESTIONS THAT REMAIN HOW EMPLOYERS ARE GOING TO REACT.

IT IS A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON SMALL BUSINESS.

THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OVERALL ON THIS RULE AND THE WAY IN WHICH IT WAS DONE WAS AGGRESSIVE.

I DO NOT SEE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR CONGRESSIONAL REPUBLICANS TO OVERTURN THIS.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE HERE FOR A WHILE.

>> THE CONGRESSIONAL REVIEW ACT.

>> AND IS THIS FRUSTRATION ON THE PART OF THE ADMINISTRATION TO NOT GET UP TO THE 15-HOUR MINIMUM WAGE?

>> I THINK THIS ISSUE IS SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT FROM THE MINIMUM WAGE.

THIS ISSUE IS ABOUT ONE THING NOT TO PAY PEOPLE.

IT IS ANOTHER THING TO MAKE THEM WORK LONGER HOURS.

AND NOT GETTING PAID FOR IT.

REMEMBER, INCOME INEQUALITY IS REALLY DRIVING BOTH SIDES.

AND WE SEE THIS IN THE PREP SHALL CAMPAIGN.

DON'T THINK THAT IS NOT WHAT THE TRUMP MEN ARE ABOUT.

UNEMPLOYMENT IS DOWN TO LESS THAN 5%.

WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT?

>> BUT WAGE GROWTH WHICH IS RECENTLY STARTED TO RISE HAS BEEN STAGNANT FOR A LONGTIME.

>> AND THAT IS THE POINT.

AND THIS IS SO OVERDUE IT'S DECADES OVERDUE.

AND WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS TO LOOK AT THIS PARTICULAR REGULATION -- BY THE WAY I THINK IT'S MUCH MORE AN ADMINISTRATION MATTER TO DO BECAUSE IT INVOLVES TRACKING WHERE WORKERS ARE AND MAKING SURE THAT YOU KEEP UP WITH WHERE THEY ARE.

SO I THINK IT IT'S DIFFERENT AND IT AFFECTS MORE PEOPLE THAN THE MINIMUM WAGE BECAUSE IT AFFECTS VOTERS.

PEOPLE UP THE LINE, PROFESSIONALS, PEOPLE WHO HAVE EDUCATION.

PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN WAITING -- PEOPLE WHO PERFORM JUST BELOW PROFESSIONALS AND EXECUTIVES THAT HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR A RAISE AND HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET IT FOR DECADES.

>> WILL THIS HELP EITHER CANDIDATE AT THE BALLOT BOX IN NOVEMBER?

>> I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT BUT I WORRY THAT WHAT WILL HAPPEN HERE IS THAT EMPLOYERS HAVE TO MAKE TOUGH CHOICES ABOUT THEIR LABOR COSTS AND THEY MAKE CHOICES ABOUT TECHNOLOGY AND MAKE CHOICES ABOUT REPLACING FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES WITH PART-TIME EMPLOYEES.

I WORRY THAT IT MAKES TOUGH CHOICES ABOUT TELECOMMUTING I HAVE TO KEEP TRACK OF EVERY HOUR AND HOW DO I DO THAT?

DO I MAKE CHOICES THAT IMPACTS PEOPLE'S CAREER TRAJECTORY AND OUR ABILITY TO PROMOTE POSITIVE LABOR.

>> WITH TELECOMMUTING, YOU THINK THAT EMPLOYERS ARE GOING TO STOP ALLOWING EMPLOYEES TO DO IT BECAUSE THEY CAN'T REALLY TRACK THEIR HOURS?

>> I DO NOT THINK AN EMPLOYER CONTINUE TO ADD THAT AS A BENEFIT OR OPPORTUNITY FOR EMPLOYEES.

I THINK IT MEANS I DO NOT GUARANTEE AS A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER THAT I WILL PURSUE THAT AS A STRATEGY.

>> CORPORATE LOBBIESTS ARE OVER PLAYING THE IMPACT THIS WILL HAVE FOR BUSINESSES.

WORKERS HAVE HAD STAGNANT WAGES FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS AND PROFITS HAVE INCREASED DRAMATICALLY.

AND THIS IS NOT AN UNPRECEDENTED PROTECTION.

IN 1975 A MAJORITY OF WORKERS QUALIFIED FOR THESE OVERTIME PROTECTIONS AND NOW IT'S DOWN TO 7%.

THIS IS A LONG OVERDUE STEP TO MAKE SURE THE PROTECTIONS IN PLACE IN 1975 ARE PUT BACK IN PLACE FOR MORE AMERICAN WORKERS.

>> INTERESTING.

>> I'M NOT SURE THIS IS A PROGRAM WE TEND TO TALK ABOUT WOMEN.

I'M NOT SURE WHETHER THIS IS GOING TO BENEFIT MORE WOMEN, CONSIDERING THAT BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS CONTINUALLY SAYS THAT WOMEN WORK FEWER HOURS THAN MEN AND THEY WORK LESS THAN 40 HOURS.

IT IS -- >> BUT THE POINT IS -- >> PRIMARILY HELP MEN WHO DO WORK OVER 40 HOURS NOT WOMEN WHO DON'T WORK 40 HOURS.

>> WAIT A SECOND.

WE RAN THE NUMBERS AND FOUND TWO-THIRDS OF ALL PEOPLE ARE ON THE MINIMUM WAGE.

A VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO MAKE UNDER THE 47,000 A YEAR WILL NOT BE HELPED.

AND ARE WOMEN.

SO THAT IS WHY WE WERE SAYING THIS IS A BILL THAT WOULD PROTECT WOMEN MORE THAN MEN.

BECAUSE THEY TEND TO BE LOWER WAGE WORKERS.

>> RIGHT.

BUT IF THEY ARE NOT WORKING THE 40 HOURS THEY ARE NOT GOING TO GET THERE AND WE KNOW THE STATISTICS SHOW THAT WOMEN ARE NOT MAKING THE 40 HOURS.

IF THEY ARE, THEN IT WILL BENEFIT THEM.

>> WELL, BUT THE GREAT ADVANCE IN THE WORKFORCE HAS BEEN WOMEN WORKING 40 HOURS.

AND LOOK THESE ARE SALARIED WORKERS BUT THEY ARE DOING JOBS AT A MANAGERIAL AND JUST BELOW THE EXECUTIVE THEY ARE NOT BEING PAID.

WHEN THE RULE FIRST CAME OUT, AND I LOOKED AT MY EMPLOYEES, I SAID I GOT TO DO THIS NOW.

BECAUSE MANY OF THE EMPLOYEES ARE TALKING ABOUT ARE PEOPLE LIKE THE PEOPLE HIGHLY EDUCATED PEOPLE AND WHO WORK -- >> GOT TO DO THIS NOW IN THE SENSE OF START PAYING OVERTIME?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH.

>> BUT DO YOU HAVE THE BUDGET TO DO IT?

>> YOU KNOW, THE KIND OF OVERTIME WE ARE TALKING REALLY ABOUT PEOPLE WHO IT'S EASY TO SEE AS PEOPLE WHO HAD DECISION MAKING RESPONSIBILITY BECAUSE YOU PUT A LOT ON THEIR PLATE.

NOW I HAVE NOT LOOKED TO SEE WHAT IT'S COST US.

I CAN TELL YOU WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN ANY INCREASE IN WHAT WE PAY PEOPLE BUT I HAVE SAID THAT WE HAVE GOT TO DO THIS OURSELVES THESE ARE SALARIED WORKERS THEY ARE NOT LAWYERS.

DON'T COUNT.

AND PEOPLE LIKE THAT.

THEY ARE PEOPLE WHO SIT AT THE DESK FOR EXAMPLE.

AND ANSWER THE PHONE TO SAY THIS IS THE CONGRESSWOMAN'S OFFICE YET THEY HAVE COLLEGE EDUCATIONS.

>> I WORK FOR EMPLOYERS IN THE SENSE LIKE OBAMACARE WITH THE 30 HOUR WORK WEEK EMPLOYERS HAVE TO MAKE CHOICES AND YOU WILL SEE MORE OF THAT.

>> THANK YOU.

FROM WORKER'S RIGHTS TO TRANSGENDER RIGHTS.

DEBATE ESCALATED THIS WEEK OVER WHICH BATHROOMS TRANSGENDER PEOPLE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO USE.

IT FOLLOWS PRESIDENT OBAMA'S ORDER CALLING ON SCHOOLS TO ALLOW TRANSGENDER STUDENTS TO USE THE BATHROOM CORRESPONDING WITH THEIR GENDER IDENTITY, RATHER THAN BIOLOGICAL SEX.

POLLS SHOW AMERICA IS DIVIDED OVER THE ISSUE ALONG AGE, PARTY AND EDUCATION LINES.

DEMOCRATS, COLLEGE GRADUATES AND THOSE UNDER THE AGE OF 45 ARE MORE SUPPORTIVE OF ALLOWING PEOPLE TO CHOOSE WHICH BATHROOM THEY WANT TO USE.

ARE MILLENIALS LEADING THE WAY WITH A DIFFERENT UNDERSTANDING OF GENDER THAN OLDER GENERATIONS?

WE GO BEHIND THE HEADLINES TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THIS TREND FROM DR. SHEENA HOWARD, WHO TEACHES GENDER STUDIES AT RIDER UNIVERSITY.

>> MILLENNIALS HAVE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE ON A LOT OF THINGS INCLUDING GENDER AND RACE BECAUSE THEY ARE GROWING UP IN A TOTALLY DIFFERENT TIME.

>> THIS MORE PROGRESSIVE OUTLOOK IS WELL DOCUMENTED.

A RECENT POLL SHOWED THAT HALF OF MILLENNIALS BELIEVE THERE ARE MORE THAN TWO GENDERS.

>> THEY ARE GROWING UP IN A TIME WHERE ACCEPTANCE OF DIFFERENT GENDER IDENTITIES AND GENDER EXPRESSIONS IS MORE OK. AND WE HAVE TO BE OPEN TO UNDERSTANDING THEY ARE GROWING UP IN TOTALLY DIFFERENT TIME THAN WE ARE.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR MORE FROM THE MILLENNIALS SINCE THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT WILL BE RUNNING THE COUNTRY SOON.

>> BIOLOGICALLY PEOPLE ARE BORN MALE, FEMALE OR INTERSECTION BUT MILLENNIALS THINK THERE ARE MORE CATEGORIES.

>> WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT GENDER IDENTIFY WHAT A PERSON IDENTIFIES AS WITHIN THEMSELVES.

SO IF THEY ARE BIOLOGICALLY BORN A FEMALE BUT IDENTIFY WITH BEING A MALE THAT IS THEIR GENDER IDENTITY.

AND I MEAN, AND THAT IS THEIR PREROGATIVE.

WE ARE MOVING TOWARDS A PLACE WHERE THESE THINGS HAVE TO BE ACCEPTED BY ALL PEOPLE AND THAT IS THE REALITY OF IT.

>> Dr. HOWARD, ALONG WITH LGBT ADVOCACY GROUPS AND MOST FEMINISTS AND SOCIOLOGISTS DEFINE GENDER AS DISTINCT FROM SEX.

>> SEX IS BIOLOGICALLY THE PARTS THAT YOU ARE BORN WITH.

GENDER IS GOING TO BE MORE OF YOUR EXPRESSION.

HOW YOU EXPRESS BEING MALE OR FEMALE.

SO IF I'M BORN BIOLOGICALLY A FEMALE BUT MY EXPRESSION THE CLOTHES I WEAR AND WHAT I LOOK LIKE IS NOT FEMALE THEN THAT IS MY GENDER EXPRESSION.

>> TRANSGENDER PEOPLE ARE DISPROPORTION ALI LIKELY TO BE BULLIED AT SCHOOL, DISCRIMINATED AGAINST AT WORK AND VIOLENTLY ATTACKED.

>> WE DON'T HAVE ANY REAL LEGISLATION ESPECIALLY ON A NATIONAL LEVEL THAT PROTECTS TRANSGENDER PEOPLE.

WE ARE TRYING TO WORK TOWARDS THAT.

BUT FOR RIGHT NOW WE HAVE PROTECTIONS FOR RACE, SEX, BUT NOT FOR TRANSGENDER PEOPLE.

SO IT LEAVES THEM IN A VERY VULNERABLE POSITION.

>> THE NEXT FRONTIER WILL BE THE INTERSECTION OF RACE AND GENDER.

SCHOLARS AGREE THE BLACK COMMUNITY IS GENERALLY PERCEIVED AS LESS ACCEPTING THE LGBT PEOPLE BUT THE DATA DO NOT BACK THIS UP.

>> I AM NOT ON THE BAND WAGON THAT THE BLACK COMMUNITY IS MORE HOMOPHOBIC.

I THINK THE NUMBERS ARE SIMILAR FOR THE BLACK COMMUNITY IN THE OVER ARCHING WHITE COMMUNITY BUT IT IS NOT AS MUCH AS ACCEPTANCE IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY OF LGBT PEOPLE AND ESPECIALLY GOING AND VOTING FOR LGBT RIGHTS.

YOUR FRIEND MIGHT BE OK WITH YOU BEING A LESBIAN OR GAY BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THEY WILL VOTE FOR GAY RIGHTS.

>> YOUR REACTION TO THIS FATE OF LAWS RECENTLY THAT REQUIRED THE TRANSGENDER PEOPLE USE THE BATHROOM OF THEIR BIRTH OF THEIR SEX AT BIRTH?

WHY IS THIS HAPPENING NOW?

AND IS IT THIS GOING TO BECOME A BIG TREND OR DIE OUT?

>> MY HOPE IS THAT IT DIES OUT.

I THINK WE ARE SEEING THESE BILLS BECAUSE A HANDFUL OF POLITICIANS AND STATES HAVE DETERMINED THAT IT'S GOOD POLITICS TO TARGET AND BULLY A SPECIFIC POPULATION OF PEOPLE THAT ARE VULNERABLE THROUGHOUT THEIR EVERYDAY LIFE.

SO FAR AMERICANS ARE RESPONDING IN A WAY THAT ALL GOOD PEOPLE SHOULD RESPOND WHICH IS THAT DISCRIMINATION IS WRONG AND WE SHOULD NOT BE TARGETING A VULNERABLE POPULATION.

WE SHOULD BE ALLOWING PEOPLE TO USE RESTROOMS THAT MAKE SENSE FOR TRANSGENDER WOMEN WE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO USE RESTROOMS WITHOUT DISCRIMINATION.

>> WERE YOU EVER BULLIED IN THE BATHROOM?

>> I HAVE NEVER BEEN BULLIED IN THE BATHROOM.

70% REPORTED A NEGATIVE EXPERIENCE IN A RESTROOM.

I MET A YOUNG TRANSGENDER BOY IN NORTH CAROLINA WHO WAS DENIED ACCESS TO RESTROOMS.

AND IT CAUSED SEVERE DEPRESSION.

HE WENT FROM SCHOOL TO SCHOOL TRYING TO FIND A PLACE THAT WOULD ACCEPT HIM.

>> I'M CONFUSED.

WHAT ARE PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT THESE LAWS WHAT ARE THEY AFRAID OF HAPPENING IN THE BATHROOM?

PARTICULARLY IN WOMEN'S BATHROOMS WHERE IT'S NOT LIKE ANYBODY IS UNDRESSED OUTSIDE OF THE STALL.

>> THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SUPPORTING THESE LAWS AND I DO NOT NECESSARILY SUPPORT THEM, ARE NOT SAYING THAT TRANSGENDER PEOPLE ARE GOING INTO BATHROOMS AND ATTACKING PEOPLE.

THEY ARE BELIEVING THAT PREDATORS WILL BE USING THE LAWS IN ORDER TO ATTACK PEOPLE.

WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF EVIDENCE RECENTLY OF MEN BEING ARRESTED FOR BEING IN WOMEN'S ROOMS PREYING WHETHER THEY ARE THE LAW ALLOWS THEM TO DO THAT OR NOT WE DON'T HAVE EVIDENCE OF THAT.

THE BELIEF IS THAT THEY WILL BE USING THAT LAW.

>> BUT AT THE MOMENT THE OPPOSITE IS THE CASE.

THE TRESPASS ARE BEING ATTACKED AND BULLIED ATTACKED OUTSIDE AND INSIDE.

THE REASON THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE UNITED STATES IS IN THIS IS BECAUSE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT STATE ACTION HERE.

WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ARE BEING PROTECTED BECAUSE THEY HAVE PASSED LAWS.

NORTH CAROLINA TRIED TO DO THAT.

ONLY FOR THEIR JURISDICTION AND HERE COMES THE NORTH CAROLINA GOVERNOR AND MAKES IT INTO A BIG ISSUE FOR THE ENTIRE STATE.

STATE ACTION UNDER TITLE VII AND THAT IS THE LAW THAT I ENFORCED AND TITLE 9 MEANS THE STATE CANNOT DISCRIMINATE AGAINST PEOPLE AND THE QUESTION FOR THE COURTS WILL BE THE USE OF THE WORD GENDER BY THE STATUTES AND THE USE OF THE WORD SEX AND DO THEY MEAN THE SAME THING?

>> BUT DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT THEY ARE AFRAID OF PREDATORS COMING INTO THE BATHROOMS AS OPPOSED TO -- WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS WHY ALL THE RESISTANCE TO IT WHEN EVEN MOST MEN'S STALLS MEN'S BATHROOMS NOWADAYS HAVE DIVIDERS SO ARE THEY REALLY AFRAID OF LIKE YOUNG GIRLS BEING EXPOSED TO A TRANSGENDER GIRL WHO HASN'T COMPLETED HER OPERATIONS OR WHATEVER?

>> AND THAT IS WHAT I THINK PEOPLE ARE REACTING TO.

THEY ARE SEEING WHAT IS HAPPENING IN NORTH CAROLINA AND SEEING THE REACTION OF A GOVERNOR WHO IS POLITICALLY FIRE BRAND IN TERMS OF WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE STATE AND TRYING TO WIN A REELECTION.

AND MY TAKE AWAY FROM THIS AND LEARNING ABOUT WHERE MILLENNIALS ARE TO BE BLUNT THIS IS A CONVERSATION THAT WE HAVE NOT HAD YET IN THIS COUNTRY.

WE HAVE NOT TALKED ABOUT IT.

IT'S COME UP ON US QUICKLY BECAUSE WHAT IS HAPPENING AT THE STATE AND NATIONAL LEVEL WITH PRESIDENT OBAMA -- >> WHAT SHOULD THE CONVERSATION BE?

>> IT SHOULD BE THAT.

LIKE WHAT ARE PEOPLE AFRAID OF?

THERE IS A LACK OF COMFORT AND EDUCATION AND UNDERSTANDING ABOUT DIFFERENT GENDERS.

MILLENNIALS GET IT BUT OLDER FOLKS AND PEOPLE ARE STILL IN THE SOUTH ARE STILL CONFUSED.

THEY MAY KNOW SOMEONE WHO IS GAY BUT NOT TRANSGENDER.

AND THAT IS A DISCONNECT.

>> AND BOTH SIDES ARE USING THE LAW TO ENACT SOCIAL CHANGE WHEN SOCIAL CHANGE NEEDS TO BE THERE FIRST.

>> I THINK THOSE ARE GOOD POINTS BUT THE REALITY IS THAT WHILE WE HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS WE SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWING PEOPLE TO BE EXPOSED TO DISCRIMINATION.

WE NEED A CLIMATE AND ENVIRONMENT THAT PEOPLE CAN HAVE THE CONVERSATIONS WITHOUT VIOLENCE OR HARASSMENT.

AND SUPPORTERS OF THIS LAW ARE BEEN STOKING FEARS AROUND PEOPLE PRETENDING TO BE TRANSGENDER.

WE HAVE 18 STATES WITH PROTECTIONS, 200 CITIES AND EXPERTS HAVE DEBUNKED THE IDEA THAT ANYONE UTILIZED THE PROTECTIONS TO COMMIT HARM THAT IS WHY THE LAW ENFORCEMENT COMMUNITIES SAID IT AND ADVOCATES HAVE COME OUT AGAINST BATHROOM BILL.

>> THANK YOU FOR THAT.

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