[♪ THEME MUSIC ♪] >>> COMING UP IN THE NEXT HOUR OF LOCAL NEWS ON ARIZONA PBS, ON "ARIZONA HORIZON," A PREVIEW OF FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP'S UP COMING IMPEACHMENT TRIAL.

ON CRONKITE NEWS, DETAILS ON PRESIDENT BIDEN'S VACCINATION SITE TOUR.

AND ON BREAK-- BREAK IT DOWN THE HISTORY OF ACTIVISM IN SPORTS.

>>> GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO HORIZONTAL.

I'M TED SIMONS.

AN ENCOURAGING START TO THE WEEK REGARDING COVID-19 NUMBERS.

FEWER THAN 2300 CASES TODAY.

WE HAVE DROPPED TO FIFTH HIGHEST IN THE COUNTRY.

COVID RELATED DEATHS ALSO RANKS FIFTH HIGHEST.

AS FOR HOSPITALIZED, INPATIENT BEDS, ICU BEDS, ALL TRENDING DOWNWARD.

PRESIDENT BIDEN AND VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE TOOK A VIRTUAL TOUR OF THE STADIUM IN GLENDALE.

>> WHY DID YOU DECIDE ON THIS SITE FOR THE DRIVE-THROUGH?

>> SO THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION, MR. PRESIDENT.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT OUR PARTNERSHIPS WITH THE ARIZONA CARDINALS, THEY HAVE BEEN STRONG PARTNERS THROUGHOUT THE COVID RESPONSE.

WE ACTUALLY HAD A TESTING SITE HERE AT -- WITH ASU, AS WELL AS THE ARIZONA CARDINALS SO WE HAD SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND PLANS IN PLACE.

>> THE PRESIDENT ADDED THAT THE STATE FORM EFFORT IS A, QUOTE, MODEL OF UNITY.

THERE ARE REPORTS OF LONG WAITS TO SECURE APPOINTMENTS WITH SOME UNABLE TO GET APPOINTMENTS AT ALL.

KIRSTEN SINEMA AND MARK KELLY ASK ASKED FOR MORE INPUT.

THEY SAID, QUOTE: >>> OTHER NEWS, THE STATE SENATE THIS AFTERNOON VOTED NOT TO HOLD THE MARICOPA COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVIEDERS IN CONTEMPT.

THE COUNTY CONTENDS THAT THE BALLOTS MUST REMAIN SEALED UNLESS A COURT ORDERS OTHERWISE.

ONLY ONE PERSON VOTED AGAINST HOLDING THEM IN CONTEMPT, BUT THAT WAS ENOUGH TO BLOCK THE MOVE.

>>> IN WASHINGTON THE SECOND IMPEACHMENT TRIAL OF FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP BEGINS TOMORROW.

HE -- TRUMP'S HOURS FILED A BRIEF ACCUSING DEMOCRATS OF POLITICAL THEATER.

WE'LL HAVE LIVE "PBS NEWSHOUR" COVERAGE OF THE IMPEACHMENT TRIAL STARTING TOMORROW AT 11:00 A.M. >>> AND SAD NOTE HERE, PEDRO GOMEZ DIED UNEXPECTEDLY YESTERDAY AT THE AGE OF 58.

HE WAS HIRED TO KOV THE DIAMONDBACKS.

AND THOSE HE BECAME A NATIONAL SPORTS FIGURE, HE REMAINED BASED IN ARIZONA AND OFTEN SPOKE TO JOURNALISM CLASSES AT ASU.

>>> AS WE MENTIONED THE SECOND IMPEACHMENT TRIAL OF FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP BEGINS TOMORROW MORNING.

WE TOOK A LOOK AT THE BASIS OF THE CASE WITH LAW EXPERT AND ATTORNEY PAUL BENDER.

PAUL, GOOD TO SEE YOU.

LET'S GET TO THE LOAN IMPEACHMENT CHARGE HERE.

WHAT IS THE CHARGE, HOW IS THE TEAM THAT IS REPRESENTING THE FORMER PRESIDENT, HOW ARE THEY RESPONDING?

>> THE CHARGE IS THAT HE IN INSTIGATED THE RIOT ON JANUARY 6TH.

THEY SAY, HEY, YOU CAN'T REMOVE HIM.

THE CONSTITUTION CREATES IMPEACHMENT AS A WAY TO REMOVE SOMEBODY, SO SINCE YOU CAN'T REMOVE THEM, YOU CAN'T HAVE A TRIAL.

>> DO THEY HAVE A TRIAL?

>> YEAH, THEY HAVE A POINT.

YOU CAN'T TELL FROM THE LANGUAGE OF THE CONSTITUTION WHAT IT IS.

THE CONSTITUTION SAYS WHEN YOU IMPEACH -- WHEN YOU CONVICT HE IS REMOVED AND HE COULD BE DISCIPLINED.

SO CAN YOU DISCIPLINE HIM EVEN THOUGH YOU CAN'T REMOVE HIM?

IT SEEMS TO ME THIS IS A PRETTY EASY CASE, BECAUSE HERE THE HOUSE IMPEACHED HIM WHILE HE WAS STILL IN OFFICE.

THEY CLEARLY HAD THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO DO THAT.

HAVING DONE THAT, IT SAYS THE SENATE SHALL TRY ALL IMPEACHMENTS.

SO I THINK THE SENATE HAS A GOOD LEG TO STAND ON.

ON THE OTHER HAND, IT'S NOT ENTIRELY CLEAR THAT'S TRUE, BECAUSE ONCE HE HAS LEFT OFFICE, THE MAIN PURPOSE OF IMPEACHMENT CAN'T BE SERVED, THE ONLY THING YOU CAN ARGUE IS THAT IT IS IMPORTANT TO IMPEACHMENT HIM EVEN THOUGH HE IS NO LONGER IN OFFICE, BECAUSE YOU CAN THEN TRY TO DISQUALIFY HIM FROM ANY FUTURE OFFICE.

YOU CAN'T TELL FROM THE LANGUAGE OF THE CONSTITUTION WHICH IS THE RIGHT ANSWER.

IT HAS NEVER COME UP BEFORE.

HOPEFULLY IT WILL NEVER COME UP AGAIN.

AND THE THING THAT PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW IS THAT IF THE SENATE DECIDES TO GO AHEAD WITH IT, THERE IS NOTHING THE PRESIDENT CAN DO ABOUT IT.

IF HE TRIES TO SUE TO GET AN INJUNCTION TO STOP THEM FROM HAVING A TRIAL, A COURT WON'T TAKE A CASE.

>> YEAH.

>> SO THEY WILL APPARENTLY GO AHEAD AND.

HE'LL COMPLAIN ABOUT IT, AND YOU WILL ONLY FIND OUT THE REAL ANSWER IF THEY CONVICT HIM AND THEY DISQUALIFY HIM, AND THEN HE TRIES TO RUN FOR OFFICE IN FOUR YEARS.

THAT QUESTION, I THINK A COURT CAN DECIDE WHEN WE WILL GET.

>> WHAT ABOUT THE IDEA THE IMPEACHMENT VIOLATES HIS RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH?

>> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

BECAUSE YOU THINK OF A CITIZEN'S FREE EXPRESSION, AND HERE IS THE PRESIDENT.

HE IS SAYING THINGS THAT OBJECT TO WHAT CONGRESS IS DOING AND NOT DOING.

AND NORMALLY HE HAS A RIGHT TO SAY THAT.

SO JUST BECAUSE HE IS THE PRESIDENT, DOES THAT TAKE AWAY HIS FREE SPEECH RIGHTS?

I DON'T THINK SO.

THE BIG QUESTION IS WHETHER -- THE FIRST AMENDMENT IS NOT AN ABSOLUTE.

SO THE QUESTION IS WHETHER HE DID THINGS -- THE THINGS HE IS CHARGED WITH DOING, DOES NOT HAVE FIRST AMENDMENT PROTECTION.

IF IT'S A CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER.

SO THAT IS THE QUESTION.

IF THEY HOLD THAT HE INCITED THE RIOT, THEY COULD SAY THAT THE PRESIDENT'S CONDUCT CREATED A CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER.

SO THE QUESTION IS WHETHER WHAT HE DID WAS SO DANGEROUS THAT -- DID IT CREATE A CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGEROUS OF A RIOT, IF HE DID, HE HAS NO FIRST AMEND PROTECTION.

>> AND THUS IT WOULD BE A MISDEMEANOR.

AND A HIGH CRIME AND MISDEMEANOR AS FAR AS CONGRESS IS CONCERNED IS WHATEVER THEY DECIDE IT TO BE.

>> THAT'S TRUE.

SO IN MY VIEW IS CONGRESS DECIDE HIGH SCHOOL HE CREATED A DANGER, I DON'T THINK HE HAS A FIRST AMENDMENT DEFENSE.

IF THEY DECIDED TO REMOVE YOU, HOW CAN YOU COME IN AND SAY, HEY -- THEY CAN'T REMOVE ME.

IT'S NOT A CRIMINAL PROSECUTION, WHERE YOU CAN SAY, BECAUSE OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT, THEY CAN PENALIZE ME FOR THAT.

IF HE DID SOMETHING THAT IS A HIGH CRIME AND MISDEMEANOR, I WOULD THINK HE HAS LOW FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS, BUT AGAIN, IT COMES DOWN TO CAN THEY PROVE HE DID SOMETHING THAT CREATED A CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER OF THE RIOT.

>> AND THAT'S MY LAST QUESTION HERE.

DEMOCRATS SAY -- PROSECUTORS SAY HERE THAT HE WAS SINGULARLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT RIOT.

ARE THEY ON FIRM GROUND HERE?

>> THAT IS GOING TO BE HARD FOR THEM TO PROVE, I THINK.

MAYBE I'M A LITTLE BYIASED, BUT I THINK THEY HAVE A PRETTY CLEAR CASE THAT HE DID NOT DIRECTLY SAY, GO INVADE THE CAPITOL, GO DESTROY THINGS.

HE DIDN'T DO THAT.

HE SAID LET'S FIGHT.

I'M NOT SURE THAT SHOWS -- YOU HAVE NOT TO SHOW THAT HE INTENDED TO DO IT AND THAT IT CREATED CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER TO DO IT.

THIS IS AN IMPEACHMENT, SO AS YOU JUST SAID, IT'S WHATEVER CONGRESS SAID IT IS, BUT IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE LEGALITIES, I THINK THAT WOULD HAVE A HARD TIME PROVING IT.

BUT HE IS NO LONGER PRESIDENT.

IF HE DID SOMETHING THAT INCITED A RIOT, HE CAN BE CHARGED WITH A CRIME IN THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA, AND HE CAN RAISE THESE DEFENSES, THAT TO ME IS THE WAY TO CLEAR THIS UP.

SO IT'S VERY MUDDY AS TO WHETHER THEY CAN DO IT, BUT IF THEY DO IT, THERE'S NOTHING HE CAN DO IT ABOUT IT.

THIS IS A LEGAL QUESTION THAT THE COURTS DON'T DECIDE.

>> YEAH.

>> IT'S A POLITICAL SITUATION.

SO THE CLEARIST THINGS FOR THE DEMOCRATS TO DO IS TO GET THE U.S. ATTORNEY IN THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA TO PROSECUTE HIS CRIME SO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.

>> PAUL, THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING OUR QUESTIONS.

WE APPROPRIATE IT.

>> NO PROBLEM.

>>> UP NEXT, REACTION FROM INDICATE INDICATETIVE HOBBS.

>>> REPUBLICAN LAWMAKERS AND THE STATE LEGISLATURE HAVE INTRODUCED A NUMBER OF BILLS TARGETING THE STATE'S ELECTION PROCESS.

EARLIER TODAY, WE SPOKE TO SECRETARY OF STATE KATIE HOBBS TO GET HER THOUGHTS ON THESE LEGISLATIVE EFFORTS.

SECRETARY HOBBS GOOD TO SEE YOU.

BUNCH OF LEGISLATION AT THE STATE CAPITOL HERE, ADDRESSING ELECTION CONCERNS.

YOUR OVERALL THOUGHTS?

>> WE JUST HAD AN ELECTION IN 2020 THAT WAS MARKED ARE RECORD VOTER PARTICIPATION, AND WE SHOULD BE CELEBRATING THE LEVEL OF PARTICIPATION, IN WIDESPREAD INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROCESSES LEADING INTO THE ELECTION, AND WE SHOULD BE CELEBRATING THAT.

INSTEAD WE'RE SEEING A HOST OF LEGISLATION BEING PROPOSED BASED ON THIS MISINFORMATION, BASICALLY USING THAT AS EXCUSEING TO REALLY BACK THE ABILITY FOR VOTERS TO PARTICIPATE, AND THAT IS OBVIOUSLY VERY CONCERNING.

WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING CONVERSATION ABOUT THESE BILLS WITH A LOT OF LEGISLATURES, BUT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT WAYS TO INSTITUTIONALIZE A LOT OF THE THINGS WE DID IN THIS ELECTION TO INCREASE VOTER PARTICIPATION.

>>> CAN'T OVERRIDE THE STATE'S ELECTION RESULTS, AND ALSO JUDGES CAN'T DISMISS OUT OF HAND ANY LAWSUIT WITHOUT HEARING IT FIRST.

AGAIN, YOUR RESPONSE?

>> WELL, THAT IS VERY CONCERNING, BECAUSE THE FIRST PORTION ALLOWS THE LEGISLATURE UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES TO OVERRIDE THE WILL OF THE VOTERS.

THE LEGISLATORS ALREADY HAVE A ROLE IN THAT PROCESS, AND THEY DID THAT IN -- AND THAT WAS FOLLOWED IN 2020, BUT THIS WOULD ALLOW THEM TO THEN COME IN AND CHANGE THE RULES OF THE GAME, AND YOU CAN'T DO THAT, AND -- AND MOST CONCERNINGLY ALLOWING THEM TO CHANGE THE RULES THAT DISMISSES THE WILL OF THE VOTERS.

THE OTHER PIECE AROUND -- AROUND THE LAWSUIT PIECE.

WE SAW NINE POST ELECTION LAWSUITS IN ARIZONA, AND EVERY SINGLE ONE WAS THROWN OUT.

MANY WOULD ARGUE THIS IS AN ABUSE OF THE COURT SYSTEM, AND THIS BILL WOULD REQUIRE ANY OF THESE CASES TO GO TO A JURY BEFORE IT WAS THROWN OUT.

THAT WOULD NUMBER 1 DRAG OUT THE PROCESS, BUT NUMBER 2, AGAIN, ABUSE OF THE COURT SYSTEM, REQUIRING A LOT MORE TIME AND RESOURCES THAT WERE ALREADY UTILIZED TO HOLD THESE JURY TRIALS.

>>> SENATE BILL 1069 TARGETS EARLY VOTING LIST.

IF YOU DON'T VOTE IN TWO EARLEY EARLEY -- EARLEY ELECTION CYCLES, YOU ARE THROWN OUT.

>> THERE IS NOTHING THAT REQUIRES YOU USE YOUR EARLY BALLOT.

THERE IS NO REASON THEY SHOULD BE THROWN OFF OF THE PERMANENT EARLY VOTING LIST.

IN THIS ELECTION, WE SAW SO MANY PEOPLE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY VOTED, THAT THEY SHOWED UP EARLY ON THE FIRST DAY THE POLES WERE OPEN.

AND WE SHOULDN'T TAKE THAT AWAY FROM PEOPLE.

>> BUT THE SENATE SAID IT'S GOOD HOUSEKEEPING, AND YOU CAN GETTING RID OF FOLKS THAT DON'T VOTE ANYWAY?

>> THIS JUST REQUIRES THEM TO NOT USE THEIR EARLY VOTING.

THEY ALREADY CLEAN UP THE VOTER LIST.

VOTERS ALWAYS HAVE THE CHANCE TO REAFFIRM THAT THAF WANT TO STAY ON THAT LIST.

>> HB 2963.

EARLY BALLOT SIGNATURES MUST BE NOTARIZED.

YOUR THOUGHTS?

>> THIS IS BASED ON SO MUCH MISINFORMATION THAT WE SAW RELATED TO THIS ELECTION.

ARIZONA HASSED A SECURE, ACCURATE VOTE BY MAIL SYSTEM FOR YEARS, WITH SIGNATURE VERIFICATION DONE THROUGH A RIGOROUS PROCESS WITH TRAINED STAFF CONDUCTING THE PROCESS, SO THE NOTARIZATION WOULD REQUIRE ANOTHER BURDEN ON VOTERS, AND REQUIRE THEM TO HAVE TO SEEK OUT SOMEONE TO NOTARIZE THEIR BALLOT TO GET IT IN.

THE OTHER THING IS THAT IT DOESN'T ALLOW FOR -- IT -- IT WILL ALSO ADDITIONALLY REQUIRE YOU TO SHOW ID WHEN YOU ARE DROPPING A BALLOT.

SO YOU ARE PUTTING AN EXTRA BURDEN IN, AND THAT IN MANY CASES CREATES A POLL TAX FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE EASY ACCESS TO A NOTARY.

>> WITH ALL OF THIS IN MIND, WHAT DO YOU THINK IS GOING ON HERE?

>> WELL, I THINK WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS -- IS THE LEGISLATURE REALLY JUMPING ON THIS MISINFORMATION BANDWAGON TO TRY TO TAKE AWAY VOTING RIGHTS.

THIS IS NOT NEW.

WE HAVE SEEN IT IN THE PAST, AND IN THE FACE OF THE RECORD PARTICIPATION THAT WE SAW IN THIS ELECTION, THERE ARE SOME FOLKS THAT ARE INVESTED IN CURTAILING THAT, BECAUSE IT SERVES THEIR OWN INTERESTS BETTER, AND THEY ARE USING IT TO PUT FORWARD THIS AGREOUS LEGISLATION.

>> KATIE HOBBS ALWAYS A PLEASURE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU.

>>> THE ARIZONA BOARD OF REGENTS LOOKING AT LEVERAGING THE STRONGEST POINTS OF EXPERTISE TO HELP ARIZONA'S POST PANDEMIC RECOVERY.

THE GOAL IS FOR THE STATE TO ALREADY BE MOVING FORWARD ONCE COVID IS IN THE REARVIEW MIRROR.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

LET'S TALK ABOUT THE POST PANDEMIC RECOVERY.

AND WHERE THE THREE STATE UNIVERSITIES COME INTO PLAY.

>> THERE'S NO REASON NOT TO TALK ABOUT IT.

IN FACT, WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT IT, TED, BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO COME OUT OF THIS, AND THE COMPETITION THAT WE SEE FOR EDUCATED WORKERS IS GOING TO CONTINUE DRAMATICALLY.

THAT MEANS THAT PLACES LIKE PHOENIX, ARIZONA, ARE GOING TO BE COMPETING EVEN MORE HEAVILY WITH DENVER, SALT LAKE CITY, AUSTIN, TEXAS; AND SIMILAR KINDS OF PLACES FOR THE KIND OF COMPANIES THAT ARE BEING CREATED IN THIS NEW ECONOMY.

>> AND WITH THAT IN MIND, WE HAVE THE THREE STATE UNIVERSITIES, WHAT LEVERAGE -- WHAT EACH UNIVERSITY DOES BEST AS FAR AS THIS -- THIS NEW ECONOMY INITIATIVE IS CONCERNED?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

THOUGH ENTIRE STATE IS GOING TO BE DEPEND DEPENDANT ON BUILDING, AND ATTRACTING THOSE COMPANIES ALONG THE WAY.

WE ARE GOING TO NEED FAR MORE FOCUS ON HEALTHCARE, FOR INSTANCE, DOWN THE ROAD.

WE HAVE ESPECIALLY SEEN THE NEED FOR THAT IN THE LAST 12 MONTHS, BUT THE NEED WAS ALREADY THERE.

THE KIND OF ALLIED HEALTH POSITIONS CREATED, THE KIND OF SCIENTIFIC LABOR FORCE THAT'S CREATED BY THOUGH UNIVERSITY OF ARIZONA, AND ARIZONA STATED UNIVERSITY ARE ALL GOING TO BE NECESSARY FOR THIS ECONOMY, AND FURTHER THE EMPHASIS THAT ASU HAS PLACED ON ENGINEERING IS GOING TO NEEDS MUCH MORE TECHNICAL ENGINEERS DOWN THE ROAD.

>> OKAY.

IS THIS ALL PART OF THIS -- I'M HEARING ABOUT A FOURTH INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION.

IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.

>> WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT.

THIS TECHNOLOGICALLY-DRIVEN REVOLUTION, IT IS GOING TO DEPEND ON TECHNOLOGY USES, AND MORE.

THIS TRANSPORTATION IS GOING TO PLACE A PEOPLE UM ON EDUCATION WHERE ARIZONA IS LAGGING THE COMPANY, AND THIS IS A CONCERN FOR THOSE OF US ON THE BOARD.

INCREASING ATTAINMENT IN SOME OF THE MOST SOPHISTICATED AREAS THAT WE EDUCATE INDIVIDUALS AT OUR UNIVERSITIES.

YOU CAN QUANTIFY IT IN TERMS OF THE KINDS -- NUMBER OF COMPANIES, KINDS OF COMPANIES WHO LOCATE HERE.

THE KIND OF GROWTH THAT WE SEE THAT ARE ALREADY HERE IN ARIZONA, AND THE KIND OF COMPANIES THAT ARE CREATED THROUGH TECHNOLOGY TRANSFER, ESPECIALLY BY THE UNIVERSITY OF ARIZONA, AND ARIZONA STATE UNIVERSITY, BUT AS WELL BY NORTHERN ARIZONA UNIVERSITY.

>> AND I NOTICE IN THE REPORT FROM THE BOARD, THE GOAL IS NOT JUST TO GROW, BUT TO GROW WELL.

HOW DO YOU CONVINCE A LEADERS THAT THIS IS THE RIGHT WAY TO GO FOR THE UNIVERSITIES?

>> I THINK WHAT YOU SEE ON THE PART OF DEMOCRATS IS A FOCUS ON THE QUALITY OF EDUCATION FOR MINORITY STUDENTS.

TYPICALLY WHAT WE HAVE SEEN FROM REPUBLICANS IS NEED FOR ECONOMIC GROWTH AND ADDITIONAL JOBS.

TO SEE THAT GROWTH, MEANS WE MUST FOCUS ON THE KIND OF INDUSTRIES THAT DEMAND EVER-MORE SOPHISTICATED COLLEGE-EDUCATED INDIVIDUALS.

THOSE ARE BACCALAUREATE AND MASTERS AND DOCTOR DEGREES ARE GOING TO BE INCREASINGLY IN DEMAND.

>> AND HOW DO YOU MESH THAT WITH PRIVATE INDUSTRY?

>> ALL THREE UNIVERSITIES ARE CLOSELY CONNECTED TO PRIVATE UNIVERSITY.

THERE ARE OFTEN ADVISORY BOARDS AT ALL THREE OF OUR UNIVERSITIES, THOSE BOARDS ARE FILLED WITH INDIVIDUALS WHO ADVISE THE DEAN AND FACULTY OWN WHAT IS NEEDED IN A PARTICULAR DISCIPLINE BASED ON WHAT THEY ARE SEEING AS DEMANDS ON THEM.

I MET WITH BOEING A WHILE AGO, AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE TOPICS THAT WE HAD.

THE GROWTH IN DEMAND FOR THOSE HELICOPTERS THAT THEY BUILD OUT IN MESA, ARIZONA.

SO THERE IS VERY MUCH AN ENGAGEMENT BETWEEN THE ACADEMIC SIDE AND THE INDUSTRY SIDE, AND THAT MATTERS FOR ALL OF US WHO HAVE BEEN A PART OF EDUCATION FOR A LONG TIME.

BECAUSE THERE'S NO POINT IN CREATING DEGREES THAT DON'T MATTER.

YOU WANT YOUR GRADUATES TO HAVE GOOD JOBS, SO HAVE A REASONABLY GOOD INCOME, SO TO DO THAT, LISTENING AND TAKING WHAT YOU LEARN, AND ALSO FORECASTING AND FOCUSING ON WHERE THE ECONOMY IS GOING TO GO.

THAT'S ALL A PART OF WHAT WE DO.

>> SIR, GOOD TO SEE YOU.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

>> IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU, TED.

THANK YOU.

>>> AND THAT IS IT FOR NOW.

I'M TED SIMONS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING.

♪♪ >>> COMING UP IN THE NEXT HALF HOUR OF LOCAL NEWS ON ARIZONA PBS, ON CRONKITE NEWS, HOW ARIZONA CHILDREN IN FOSTER CARE ARE STRUGGLING WITH VIRTUAL SCHOOL DURING THE PANDEMIC.

AND ON BREAK IT DOWN HOW ATHLETES HAVE HELPED PAVE THE WAY TO SOCIAL JUSTICE.

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