TED: COMING UP IN THE NEXT HOUR OF LOCAL NEWS ON ARIZONA PBS.

ON ARIZONA HORIZON: IT'S THE JOURNALISTS ROUNDTABLE.

WE'LL LOOK AT SOME OF THE WEEK'S TOP STORIES, INCLUDING EDUCATION FUNDING CAP CONCERNS AND A BILL TO SPLIT UP MARICOPA COUNTY.

ON CRONKITE NEWS: WHY MEMBERS OF CONGRESS ARE CALLING FOR THE U.S. CAPITOL POLICE TO STOP CHECKING SOCIAL MEDIA.

AND ON BREAK IT DOWN: HAS THE PANDEMIC CHANGED DATING FOREVER?

THAT'S ALL AHEAD IN THE NEXT HOUR ON ARIZONA PBS.

GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO TED: GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

I'M TED SIMONS.

IT'S FRIDAY, AND THAT MEANS IT'S TIME FOR ANOTHER EDITION OF THE JOURNALISTS' ROUNDTABLE.

JOINING US TONIGHT FOR A LOOK AT SOME OF THE WEEK'S TOP STORIES ARE: LAURIE ROBERTS OF THE ARIZONA REPUBLIC STACEY BARCHENGER ALSO OF THE ARIZONA REPUBLIC, AND BOB CHRISTIE OF "THE ASSOCIATED PRESS."

WHY DON'T WE START WITH YOU THEN?

>> OKAY.

LET'S START WITH THE EDUCATION FUNDING CAP.

THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE BIG DEAL AND EVERYONE GET TOGETHER AND "KUMBAYA" MOMENT BEFORE THE FIGHTING BREAKS OUT GAIN AND HAVE NOT DEALT WITH THIS.

TALK BUS TO.

WELL "KUMBAYA" IN POLITICS MAYBE NOT AS COMMON AS WE HOPE THEY WOULD.

WE ARE DO IN THE WIRE ON THIS.

LAWMAKERS HAVE UNTIL MARCHS TO ACT TO RAISE THE FUN SPENDING CAP IF THEY DONE THEY ARE LOOK ATTILA 1.2BILLION IN CUT AND 16% THEN WE GOT TWO WEEKS FOR LAWMAKERS TO REACH A TWO-THIRDS VOTE TO RAISE THE CAP.

>> AND GAIN, TALKING ABOUT MONEY BOB, THAT IS ALREADY BUDGETED, ALREADY AUTHORIZED BUT YOU CANNOT SPEND IT BECAUSE OF THE SOME ARE CALLING ARCHAIC CAP S. RIGHT.

THE DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN RALLYING EVERY DAY BEFORE THE ADJOURN ANOTHER DAY AND TALK ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY THEY CUT AND COLLEAGUES AND THEIR DISTRICTS WILL BE CUT THIS IS DOWN TO EVERYBODY WANTS TO RAISE THE CAP.

THE DEMOCRATS AND THE REPUBLICANS BUT ALL ABOUT PROPOSITION 208.

PROP SIS 208 WHICH IS THE TAX THEY APPROVED TWO YEARS AGO ON THE WEALTHY HAS BEEN DECLARED UNCONSTITUTIONAL BY THE SUPREME COURT IF IT SPENDS MORE THAN THE CAP WHICH IS WILL.

THEN, REPUBLICANS IN THE LEGISLATURE ARE AFRAID OF RAISING THE CAP THINKING THEY WILL REVIVE PROP 208.

ALL RIGHT.

THE OUT TOM LINE, THOUGH, IS PROP 208 HAS NOTHING FOR DO WITH THE EDUCATION SPENDING AND THIS IS FOR MONEY ALREADY BUDGETS.

NO.

THE FEAR IS, THAT THE SUPREME COURT HAS RULED AS BOB SAID, THE SPENDING LIMIT RULE CAN BE EXCEED AS SOON AS THE PROP 208 ARE NEWT THE FORMULA WHICH WOULD NO BE THE YEAR BY THE WAY.

THE FEAR IS IF THEY EXERCISE THE POWER TO WAVE THE SPENDING LIMIT FOR THIS YEAR, THEN, JUDGE NAN IS IN,WHO HAS BASICALLY DIRECTED BY THE SUPREME COURT TO MAKE A FINDING OF FACT WHEN THAT, WHEN THE SPEND IS EXCEEDED SO THEY CAN THROW OUT THE LAW.

JUDGE HANNAH HAS-- THE FEAR IS, THE THAT JUDGE HANNAH WILL SAY IF YOU CAN WAVE IT ONCE FOR THIS YEAR.

>> RIGHT.

>> YOU LEGISLATORS CAN WAVE IT GAIN, THEREFORE, I WILL NOT SAY IT EX SEEDS A SPENDING LIMIT THEN THE HATED PROP 208 GO IN EFFECT.

IT HAS BEEN OVERRIDDEN IN THE PAST.

RIGHT.

THEY WANT THE JUDICIAL CERTAINTY THAT THE PROP 208 FUNDING THE INCOME TAX INCREASE ON THE WEALTHY, IS GOING TO GO AWAY.

SO NOW THEIR BACKS ARE GAINS THE WELL AND THEY WERE FURIOUS BECAUSE AS STACEY SAID THEY HAVE UNTIL MARCH FIRST TO RAISE THE SPEED SPENDING CAP HER TO SCHOOLS WILL HAVE TO CLOSE AND MEANWHILE SHALL YOU HAVE A JUDGE, JUDGE HANNAH IN SUPERIOR COURT WHO IS SAYING I DON'T HAVE TO RULE UNTIL MARCH TENTH AND WON'T BECAUSE I WANT TO USE THE FULL-TIME AND THEY ARE FURIOUS WITH THE JUDGING BUT THEY ALSO KNOW THEIR BACKS ARE AGAINST THE WELL AND THEY ALLOW THE SCHOOLS TO CLOSE AND YOU KNOW, BASED ON THEM.

YEAH.

ON GETTING RELIKED THIS FALL.

THEY SHOULD MENTION THE JUDGE IN THE CASE WAS PLOMMED BY LAWMAKERS AND, DO THIS, DO THIS QUICK AS POINTED OUT AND I WILL GET TO IT.

YEAH.

LAWMAKERS ARE EMPLOY EVERY ONE TO GET INVOLVED RIGHT.

MY FOCUS IS THE GOVERNOR THEN AS BOB SAID.

LAWMAKER STAB UP ON THE FLOOR EVERYDAY ASKING FOR ACTION THE GOVERNOR DOESN'T HAVE TO SIGN OFF ON RAYING THE CAP BUT HE TOOK HEAT FROM THE DM DEMOCRAT FORCE NOT SAYING ANY THIS ABOUT IT THE FINAL STATE OF THE STATE OR THE BUDGET PROPOSAL.

I HEARD THAT LAWMAKERS AND THE GOVERNOR ARE THINKING OF SAYING, WITH WELL, GO TO THE SUPREME COURT.

THAT IS WHAT IS GOING ON THROUGHOUT?

>> LE , THE BUDGET DIRECTOR TOLD LAWMAKERS THAT THEY WOULDN'T NEGOTIATION THE BUDGET UNTIL PROP 208 IS DECIDE SO A LOT OF PRESSURE IS HANGING ON THE ONE COURT DECISION.

THEY DID THIS WEEK RUSTY BAUER MADE AND FILED A SPECIAL ACTION URGING THEM TO BYPASS TO TRIAL COURT AND HE DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO THEY SAID EXCEPT RULES THAT IT WILL EX SEED THE PENNING CAP THEN GUESS AWAY SO SUPREME COURT TO IMMEDIATE SLIP THIS IN TO SUPPORT THAT.

THAT IS THE WHICH OUT OF THIS THEY HOPE.

>> I THINK THAT YOU WELL SEE MOVEMENT ON THE NEXT WEEK BE A I DON'T THINK THEY WANT TO LEAVE TO IT THE LAST MINUTE THEN THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE AND OTHERS ARE PREVAILING ON THIS LEGISLATURE TO SAY, GN AHEAD, DO IT BECAUSE REMEMBER, WE ALREADY HAVE, WHAT, 1, 2, 3, 4 PURCHASE 5 MEMBERS IN THE SIDE, IN THE, SO THAT DECISION MAY HAVE TO COME AFTER QUADERS THEN TAKE LEACH FAITH BUT NOT A VERY BIG LEAP OF FAITH GIVEN WHAT THE SUPREME COURT HAS SAID IN THE PAST TO THINK THAT THEY WILL GO ATHE AND OUTLAST THIS AS UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

ALL RIGHT.

SO WE WAIT AS WE HAVE BEEN WEIGHT AND SINCE THE SESSION STARTED WE WITH IT ON.

WE TALK ABOUT THE VOUCHER EXPANSION.

>> WELL, THAT IS ANOTHER EVER GREEN ON THIS PROGRAM.

THEN, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT NEVER GUESS AWAY AND NOT GOING AWAY.

IT IS NOT GOING AWAY.

THIS IS YEAR 12 OF THE STATE'S VOUCHER SYSTEM AND EVERY YEAR, IT STARTED AS A SMALL ROOM PROGRAM FOR DISABLED KILL KIDDS THEN THEY COME BACK AND EXPAND A LITTLE BIT.

FOUR YEARS AGO NOW IN 2017 THEN THEY EXPAND IT TO THE UNIVERSAL AND EVERYBODY CAN GET A VOUCHER WITH SOME CAP THAT GETS RAISED EVERY YEAR.

THEN THE VOTERS DID NOT LIKE THAT.

THE OPPONENTS OF THAT TOOK TO IT THE BALLOT THEN, OVERWHELMINGLY 2-1 REJECTED THAT VOUCHER EXPANSION THEN NATURALLY THE NEXT YEAR THEY CAME BACK AND TRIED GAIN SANDS TRIED AGAIN LAST YEAR WITH IT AND$800,000 OUT OF$1.1MILLION WOULD GET IT.

THEN THIS YEAR, THEY FAILED.

THIS YEAR OR IT'S THE SAME THING EXCEPT A LITTLE LARGER IN FACT.

PASSED THE HOUSE THE SENATE COMMITTEE THIS WEEK AND IT WOMEN PASS THE SENATE FLOOR BECAUSE THE SAME GROUP FAS PASTED IT LAST YEAR THEN IT WILL DIE IN THE HOUSE PROBABLY.

PROBABLY.

OK.

IT WILL.

I TALKED TO THIS, IT ONLY TAKES ONE REPUBLICAN TO KILL IT.

THREE VOTED AGAINST LAST YEAR AND MANAGED THIS TRACK DOWN ONE YESTERDAY AND NOW IN WAY.

>> LET'S FATES IT.

THE SENATOR BEHIND THIS LATEST ONE HERE.

HE SAYS THIS ONE BETTER FOCUS OS IN LOW INCOME KIDS THEN GIVES THEM THE OPPORTUNITY GET OUT OF THE POORLY PERFORMING COULD ARE SCHOOLS.

>> THAT IS THE ARGUMENT FOR IT, RIGHT.

I GUESS, THERE IS REALLY LOUD VOICES AGAINST, TOO.

THE CONCERN THAT THEY HAVE IS YOU KNOW, WHY, WHY WHAT INDIVIDUAL KIDS MOVE OUT OF SCHOOLS INSTEAD OF TAKING A WHOLE SCALE APPROACH AT FIXING THE SCHOOL SYSTEM AND THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEMS.

YEAH.

THAT'S THE ARGUMENT IS IT NOT.

>> OF COURSE.

LET'S ALSO POINT OUT THAT KIDS AREN'T STUCK IN FAILING SCHOOLS NOW UNLESS THEY WANT TO BE AGE THERE ARE, THIS IS THE STATE OF SCHOOL CHOICE AND GO TO A CHARTER CYCLE AND OPEN ENROLLMENT AND VIRTUALLY EVERY SCHOOL DISTRICT IN IN THE VALLEY, THEN, I PERSONALLY, I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE PROFITABLE THING TO CONCENTRATE AND INSTEAD OF ON THE 16 OR 20 HOWE KIDS WHO WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A VOUCHER CONCENTRATE ON THE$1.1MILLION SCHOOL CHILDREN SUPPOSEDLY FAILING SCHOOLS SOME ARE WAY UNDER PERFORMING, WHY ARE WE NOT FOCUSING ON THOSE KIDS BUT NEVER FOCUSED ON THAT AND ALWAYS FOCUSED IN HOW TO GET OUT OF THE SCHOOLS RATHER THAN FIXING THE SCHOOLS?

THEN, AGAIN, THESE VOUCHER PROGRAMS IT SEEMS AS THOUGH IT IS NOT JUST XY AND Z.

OTHER FOLKS PEOPLE WITH MEANS CAN NOW SEND THEIR KIDS OR BETTER OR MORE EASILY SEND CHAIREDS TO PRIVATE SCHOOLS WHY DOWN THE LIMB PLY IT TO THE LOW INCOME KIDS THEN BE DONE WITH IT.

THAT IS NOT WHAT THE ANONES WANT.

THE PROPONENTS WANT BACK PACK FUNDING FOR EVERYONE STUDENT AND THEY USE FOR I AM, MY KID, GETS$8,000 OR$7,000 IN STATE MONEY IN THE, HE CAN TAKE, HE CAN GO TO THE PUBLIC SCHOOL.

HE CAN GO TO THE SCHOOL, HE CAN GO A CATHOLIC PRIVATE SCHOOL OR RELIGIOUS SCHOOL, THEN, HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE THAT STATEMENT ANYWHERE HE WANTS BAITS IS TAXPAYER MONEY, THEN, YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEM, THERE IS TWO FOLD, RIGHT.

THE PROBLEM IS THAT, WE ARE FUNDING, WE HAVE SPEND TRILLIONS OVER GENERALSES DEVELOPING A PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM.

AND TO MAWN TAN THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM OR DO YOU HAVE WHAT SOME PEOPLE WAN, JUST ALLOW IT TO BE THE WAIT IS, THEN, LET YOUR KIDS, YOU KNOW, SPEND THE MONEY ON PRIVATE SCHOOL SYSTEM AS WELL.

THE OTHER PROBLEM WITH THIS VAPORER SCHOOL SYSTEM PROPOSAL THAT IS IT INCLUDES LANGUAGE THAT WOULD ALLOW ALO LOT OF RICH SCHOOLS WITH PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN RICH DISTRICTS OR WEALTHY WEREN'TS THERE IS A PROPROTHINGS THAT SURFACE SPEND AS MUCH AS THE TUITION AT A YOU WHICH A LOT OF SCHOOL DISTRICTS DO, YOU GET A VOUCHER THEN IT IS, KNOW THEY POINTED IT OUT.

IT IS A SNEAK WHERE I BUT IT IS IN THERE.

>> WELL, BUT, REAL QUICKLY HERE.

I INCLUDES SOMETHING THE GOVERNOR WAS INVOLVED IN HERE AND THE PANDEMIC RELATED BENEFITS SENT TO STUDENTS AND FAMILIES IN CASE THEY WERE FORCING THIS OR MANDATING THAT AND THAT IS ALSO IN THIS LEGISLATE IS IT NOT.

>> IT IS.

IT INS INTERESTING BECAUSE GROUPS LIKE SAVE OUR SCHOOLS WARNED THAT WHAT IS THE PROGRAMS THE GOVERNOR DEBUTED LAST AUGUST AND THAT IS WHAT THE END GOAL OF THOSE WAS.

SECOND NOW, WE HAVE SEE IT IN THE BILL, THAT ANYBODY WHO RECEIVED THOSE, THEY WERE CALLED EDUCATIONAL RECOVERY BENEFITS ANYONE WHO RECEIVED THOSE GRANS TO LEAVE SCHOOLS AS MASK MANDATES WOULD BE EDGABLE FOR A VOUCHER.

>> AND ALL YOU HAD TO DO TO BE ELIGIBLE TO RECEIVE THOSE GRANS IS HAVE SOMEONE CLASS CLOSED ON WITHIN DAY AND DURING THE PANDEMIC AND YOU TWO ARE ELIGIBLE FOR A VOUCHER.

THIS VOUCHER ALSO WOULD BE GOOD FOR ANY CHILD OF THE HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONAL BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT DOCTORS NEED THE HELP TO BE ABLE TO SEND THEIR KIDS TO PRIVATE SCHOOL, THEN, CHILDREN OF VETERANS.

>> WELL, REAL QUICKLY, BOB.

YOU SAID IT WOULD DIE IN THE HOUSE.

HOW DO YOU SEE?

WELL, LAST YEAR, VERY SIMILAR BILL, THIS ONE IS TWEAKED A LITTLE BIT BUT IT IS CLOSE.

IT WAS KILLED BY THREE REPUBLICANS IN THE HOUSE AND 31-29 REPUBLICANS SPLIT.

AND LEAVES ONE PERSON AND SO I WENT TO THE ONE BORNE WAS LEADER OF THAT GROUP, THAT FAILED IT IN THE HOUSE LAST YEAR AND ASKED HER YESTERDAY.

SHE SAID NO WAY I GOING THERE.

I AM NOT DOING IT UNLESS THIS IS MICHELLE WHO IS A REPUBLICAN LAWMAKER.

SHE SAID, IF THEY PUT STRICT ACCOUNTING IN THE BILL, SHE WANTS TESTING.

SHE WANTS OTHER ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THE MONEY.

AND THERE IS NO WAY THAT IS GETTING IN THERE AND THEN, UNLESS, MAIN, IT WOULD BE VERY SURPRISING TO ME IF THEY ALLOWED TESTING FOR PRIVATE SCHOOLS AND MANDATORY.

YEAH.

YEAH.

NO KIDDING.

ALL RIGHT.

WELL, KEEP IT MOVING HERE.

WE GOT ATTORNEY GONE WHOLE HAS DECIDE IT IS O'DAY WE THE DOV NOR OF ARIZONA SENDING TROOPS TO THE BORDER FOR WHAT HE CALLED A INVASION.

YEAH.

YOU TO GO BETBED ONE NIGHT AND THINK YOU ARE IN AS ARZ THE NEXT DAY WAKE UP WITH IN THE UKRAINE.

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS DECIDED THAT IN COURSE INTO THE STATE BY DRUG CARTELS THEN HUMAN SMUGGLING PEOPLE, CONSTITUTES AN INVASION.

THAT IS THE WORD HE USE.

AS A RESULT, THE GOVERNOR CAN USE HIS WAR POWERS TO SEND THE MILITARY DOWN THERE WITH BAZOOKAS I GUESS AND IDENTIFYING BACK P. WHAT WANTS TRESSING TO WHE THIS, IS ATTORNEY GENERAL IS NOT EVEN TRYING TO SEPARATE HIS JOB AS ATTORNEY GENERAL FROM HIS DESIRE TO BE THE NEXT U.S.

SENATOR FROM ARIZONA ANSWER SENT THIS, THAT NOTICE THAT HIS LEAGUE OPINION AND AT THE SAME TIME, HE WAS ALSO ON FOX NEWS TO TALK ABOUT IT.

THEN, WITHIN MINUTES, HIS CAMPAIGN TWITTER ACCOUNT WAS ALSO TWEETING HE DECLARED WARD ON THE BORDER SO I MEAN, AT SOME POINT, I THINK WE HAVE TO QUIT ASKING WHETHER WE SHOULD TROOPS TO THE BORDER THEN START ASKING WHERE L THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE STATE SHOULD BE USE THEIR POSITION TO ESSENTIAL ELECTLY RUN FOR THE SENATE.

THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE THE RESPONSE.

DO YOU KNOW IT.

I MEAN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE GOVERNOR IS CONSTANTLY DOWN THERE AT THE BOARD HE THEN CONSTANTLY MENTIONING THEN ON FOX NEWS 2 TALKING ABOUT THE BORDER AND WHAT KIND OF RESPONSE.

WELL, THINK, ONE OF THE DIFFERENCE THE GOVERNOR THINKS IS A JOE BIDEN PROBLEM AND WANTS THE FEDERAL ADMINISTRATION TO FIX IT.

HE CERTAINLY HAS PUT MONEY AND NATIONAL GUARD RESOURCE AT THE BORDER, THEN, THAT WAS RESPONSE THAT WE HEARD FROM HIS OFFICE THIS WEEK AFTER THE OPINION WAS WE ARE DOING SOMETHING.

WE HAVE NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS AT THE BORDER AND THEN ALMOST INSULTING FOR TO YOU IN SEN WAIT THEY ARE NOT WORK HARD TO PROTECT ARIZONA.

THEN WE SHOULD MENTION THIS COMES AFTER THERE WAS DIVERSION PROGRAM THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WAS ORDERED?

>> AFTER A DUSTUP WITH SECRETARY OF STATE KATIE HOBBS, COINCIDENCE WELL, NO.

NO.

SORT OF A COINCIDENCE IN THE, HEAN, THIS IS ALL POLITICAL.

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WAS HAS REFUSED TO TELL US WHAT PENALTIES THE STATE BAR PLACED ON HIM FOR FAILING TO VENT BOTH THE BORDER REGION AND THE SECRETARY OF STATE APPROPRIATELY AND IN COURT.

YOU KNOW?

THEY WERE BOTH, THEY ACCUSED HIM OF EVENTUALLY MALFEASANCE FOR SLIGHTING BAR RULES FOR HE IS SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT THEM AND TOOK OPPOSITION POSITIONS SOME CASES AFTER ARGUING THEIR POSITION HE WOULD FILE APPEAL AGAINST THEM SEW TOOK SOME TYPE OF PENALTY WHICH HE WON'T ACKNOWLEDGE AND WHAT IT IS, HE WON'T REALLY.

AND SO THAT IS PROBLEMATIC THEN, THE TIMING OF THIS LITTLE NEWS AND JUST A FEW DAYS LAUTER IS KIND OF NICE.

WHAT DO YOU?

I.

>> WELL, ACTUALLY THE SAME DAY, WELL, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HAD CHOICE DO I EAT MY VEGS THEN EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE WHAT MY VIOLATION WAS THAT THE STATE BAR FOUND OR DO I GET MAY SELF A BIG OLD WUSS SY PIECE OF STAKE AND TALK ABOUT A BORDER INVASION.

WHICH ONE IS GOING TO BE MORE INTERESTING TO THE SPACE THAT WHICH WINCE GOING TO GET HEADLINES?

TOTALLY CHANGING THE SUBJECT.

ALL HAPPENED ON THE SAM DAY WITHIN HOURS.

TEAL US.

DOES IT HAPPEN HELP THE DAM SNAP IN YEAH.

IT HELPS THE CAMPAIGN.

SURE.

SURE.

THIS IS ATTORNEY GENERAL WHO SENATE CANDIDATE I SHOULD SAY WHO IS NOT RAISING BIG MACHINE THINK ABOUT HAS NOT CAUGHT FIRE AND HE HAS GOT A COUPLE WHO HAVE A TON OF MONEY TONE ARE SPENDS AND THE ONLY TIGHT GET THROUGHOUT THE MEDIAS BY VIRTUE OF THE FACT HE IS ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE STATE.

YEAH.

THINK IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT HE TERNED INTO THAT DIVERSION PROGRAM YOU A COUPLE OF DAY IS A HEAD OF TIME THEN HOW DARE OF US ASK WHAT ETHICAL VIOLATION HE CREATED.

>> WELL, I ASKED THE GOVERNOR'S RESPONSE AND DO YOU EXPECT TO HEAR MORE FROM THE GOVERNOR?

HE WILL MENTION THE BORDER AGAIN HERE SOMETIME SOON, AND DOES HE BRING UP THE FACT THAT HE COULD NOW SEND TROOPS DOWN THERE?

>> UM, HANE, THAT IS A QUESTION I LOOK FORWARD TO ASKING HIM.

THEN, I SUSPECT HIS SORT OF RHETORIC ON THIS WON'T CHANGE.

HE TALKED ABOUT THE BID IN ADMINISTRATION AT ANY CHANCE HE GETS AS HEAD OF THE RGA, THEN HE HAS LED THE OTHER REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS IN THEIR OWN PRESSURE CAMPAIGN ON THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION TO DO MORE AND I DON'T THAT I WILL CHANGE.

THEN, I THINK, NOW HE, FOR THE GOVERNOR, IT IS ABOUT MONEY, RIGHT?

SO HE DOES HAVE NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS ON THE BOARDER THERE AND GETTING REIMBURSEMENT FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ON THAT AND GOES ROGUE TO SEND THEM DOWN THERE ON THIS THE ACTUAL MISSION TO DO BOOTS ON THE GROUND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TROOPS NOW IN SUPPORT ROLE WHAN BURN KNOW VICH SAYS HE CAN DO THE VED FIRE DEPARTMENTS WILL NOT PAY FOR IT AND RATHER HAVE SA TAX CUT THAN SPEND OR$100MILLION ON BOARD PER SECURITY ABOUT HAVING TO NAY NATIONAL GUARD BAY HIMSELF.

ALL RIGHT.

WE'LL START WITH YOU ON THIS.

RESOLUTION TO OVERTURN ELECTION RESULTS.

AT THE LEGISLATURE THIS IS REPRESENTATIVE MARK THE IDEA BEING THAT WELL WE SHOULD HAVE THE FINAL SAY WHAT NOT VOTERS.

>> WELL, YEAH.

THAT IS WHAT THEY WANTS THE FINAL SAY, HE HAS DUES ADDRESS LOSING THAT IS SUPPORTED BY THE SIZABLE NUMBER OF REN REBECCAS IN THE LEGISLATURE THAT.

>> DID HE CERTIFY THE RESULTS OF THE ELECTION IN THE 2020 ELECTION IN MARRY COPE TAPA YUMA AND HE THROWS YOU AT WHOLE BUNCH AND PEAT THE DEBUNKED CONSPIRACY THIS RY THEN TERRIBLE THINGS THAT WENT ON THE ELECTION.

THEN, THEN, DEKLAUEREST THIS CAN RECALL THE ELECTORS.

YEAH.

>> I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN RECALL THE WHOLE IDEA IS TO SEIFERT TIE THAT'S THE NOT A THING HOWEVER IS VERY POPULAR WITH THE CERTAIN SEGMENT OF THE LEC TO RITE THEN DIMENSION THAT MARK RINSING FOR SECRETARY OF STATE THEN AS SUCH IN CHARGE OF THE ARIZONA SELECTIONS SHOULD HE BE LIKED THIS YEAR.

WELL.

OK. TOTEDDAL POLITICS.

WELL, HE SAID THE ELECTION RESULTS WERE WHOLE PROCESS WAS IR REDEEMLY FLAWED AND A COUPLE OF OTHERS AND SPEAKER BOWERS REPORTED SAYING OBVIOUSLY PROFOUNDLY UNWISE PROPOSAL AND RECEIVE ALL THE CONVERSATION IT DESERVES SO THERE IS SOME A COUPLE OF GOING HERE, HU.

YEAH.

I THINK WHAT WE HEARD FROM SPEAKER BOWERS THAT IS RESOLUTION IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE AND HAVING A MOMENT THE SPEAKER IN SORT OF KEEPING IN CHECK SEVERAL BILLS THAT ARE LIKE LORI MENTIONED STEMMED FROM THE AUDIT WHICH FOUND THAT BIDEN WON AND AT BEST RAISED SOME QUESTIONS BUT FOUND NO WIDESPREAD FRAUD THEN AGAIN, SPEAKER BAUERS WITH THE 12 COMMITTEE WHICH MADE NATIONAL HEADLINES HERE AND ANOTHER WAY OF SAYING, WELL, WHY ARE YOU BOTHER BEING THIS.

WELL, WHY ARE YOU BOTHER MEG.

SPEAKER BAUERS IS THE ADULT IN THE RAM AND HE AND SENATE PRESIDENT GOT CALL TRES WHITE HOUSE ASKING THEM TO DECERTIFY AND NOT TO STEP IN TO TRY DO THINGS TO WITH L TO GO AHEAD AND RUSTY BOWERS SAID NO.

YOU LOST.

SORRY.

>> ALL RIGHT.

HE SAYS THAT THAT IS A FACTOR IS IT NOT INTO A ANOTHER BILL AND SEE HOW FAR IT GOES SPLIT MARICOPA COUNTY AND ANOTHER EVERGREEN HERE AND TOO BIG TO KIT IN HALF AND NOW SPLIT IT TO FOUR SEPARATE COUNT COUNTIES RIGHT.

IF YOU LOOK AT IT.

YOU IS A MARVEL OF GERRYMANDERING YOU THINK WOULD BE LIKE TO RIGHT.

NO.

BASICALLY IT WOULD GIVE YOU THREE REPUBLICAN COUNTIES AND JAM ACTUAL THE MID TOLL THE CENTRAL PHOENIX AVONDALE AREA GIVING THEM ONE.

THIS WOULDN'T REALLY, I GUESS, THIS IS PARTY OF SMALL GOVERNMENT SO I HAVE NOT HEARD HIS EXPLANATION FOR WHERE EXTRA MONEY COMES FOR THROW ADDITIONAL COUNTY SHERIFF DEPARTMENTS AND THREE ADDITIONAL STEPS OF SUPERVISORS THEN THREE ADDITIONAL ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT COUNTIES DO AND COURT SYSTEMS THEN HEALTH SYSTEMS THEN ALL OF THAT.

THEN, THEN, BUT THIS IS ALL ABOUT PUNISHING THE MARICOPA COUNTY BOARD AND REPUBLICAN DOMINATED GROUP OF FIVE AND THAT REFUSIONED TO BY THIS THIS CONCERT THAT THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN THEN I THINK THAT IS WHAT THIS IS ABOUT AND BEFORE YOU SAY OH IT WON GET A HEARING IT WON'T GO ANYWHERE AND SCHEDULED FAR HEARING NEXT WEEK IN THE HOUSE GOVERNMENT AND ELECTIONS COMMITTEE I THINK ON WEDNESDAY.

>> YEAH.

BUT STACEY AGAIN.

AS YOU MENTIONED.

I CAN SEE YOU KNOW, PUNISH HERE.

PUNISH THERE.

THEY ARE PUNISHING PHYSICALLOW REPUBLICANS THEN THEY ARE OUTRUN STATE TERM INS OF THE ELECTED OFFICIAL.

WELL, ARE THEY PUNISHING REPUBLICANS OR IS IT BY THOUGH WAY THEY ARE BREAK UP THE COUNTIES THEY ARE ISOLATED SORT OF THE DIFFERENT POWER STRUCTURES LIKE LORI WROTE A COLUMN ABOUT THIS AND STRIKING THE POPULATION DIFFERENCES.

THEY RAZZ DESCRIEDING THE REPUBLICANS UP AMONG.

WELL, THE NUMBER OF VOTERS IN THE AREA STAYS THE SAME, RIGHT.

IN TERM MUCH A POPULAR VOTE AND NOTHING WOULD CHANGE AND COME FROM DOWN IS INSTEAD TO LOVE HE THREE.

A CHANGES IS YOU HAVE DIFFERENT BOARDS OF SUPERVISORS IF THERE IS A QUESTION ABOUT ELECTION AND WILL PLAY A KEY ROLE IN WHAT HAP NEXT.

>> MY POINT IS.

YOU HAVE GOT ALMOST UNANIMOUSLY EXCEPT FOR ONE DEMOCRAT ON THE BOARD AND YOU ALREADY GOT IN THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND THE SHERIFF AND MAYBE, SO MANY FOLKS RUNNING THE GOVERNMENT AND REPUBLICANS ALREADY.

WHAT DO YOU.

WHAT THEY REFUSED TO ACCEPT THE FACT THAT THE LEGISLATURE, THIS THAT THE ELECTION WAS, A HA WAS THE WORD USED?

IR REDEEM LIABLE FLAWED BUT NOT THE ELECTION.

>> WELL, BEFORE GO.

WE GOT POLITICAL ADS MAKING NATIONAL HEADLINES THEN ON CNN TODAY AND THEN, JIM LAYMAN THE AD SHOWING THE OLD WEST SHOOTOUT AND WHAT ARE THE PEOPLE HE WAS SHOOTING AT WAS MARK KELLY.

THAT IS TRUE?

>> MARK KELLY, NANCY PELOSI, JOE BIDEN, HE IS FACING OFF WITH THEM I BELIEVE IT IS TOMBSTONE AND APPEARS TO BE.

THEN, ARIZONA DESERT AND YOU KNOW, DIRT, DIRT ROAD IN FRONT OF THE TOWN AND THEN, SO, FIND IT WHERE IF YOU ARE WILLING TO TAKE FLAT SHOOTING AT PAY NENTS ON LIVE TV THEN IT DOESN'T LOOK, I MEAN, IT IS YOU GOT CRITICIZED AND STEPHANIE FORMER MIGHT WHYTE HOUSE SPOKESWOMAN.

AND WHO HAS DEEP ARIZONA ROOT WAS FORMER AND SPOKESPERSON FOR AND SHE BECAME DONALD TRUMP AND SAID THIS IS CRAZY.

WHAT ARE YOU DOING?

WELL, DEMOCRATS OF COURSE YOU KNOW, POINTING AT GABBY GIFFORDS THEN SAYING YOU CANNOT DO THIS.

YEAH.

IS THIS SOMETHING FOR ARIZONA?

YO.

I MOVED FROM NEW JERSEY VERY DEMOCRATIC STRONG TOLLED HOLES THEN DID NOT SEE ADS LIKE THIS OUT THERE.

WE SHOULD MENTION THAT HE IS MARRIED TO GABBY GIVE FORS THEN A SURVIVOR THEN DOES THAT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE AT ALL.

NOT AT ALL TO THEM AFTER THE REPUBLICAN BASE AND OUT TO INCREASE HIS NAME I.D.

IN THE ELECTION WHERE HE IS HIGH SO FAR AND HE WILL PAY A LOT OF MONEY TO PUT THIS AD ON AND SUPE SER BOWL SUNDAY THEN IT IS ALL ROSE FORCE HIM.

THINK IT I PLAYS VERY WELL FOR HIM IN THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY.

IT IS IT TAKEY, IS?

IT INCENTIVE.

YOU IT I COULD BE OF STUPID ACTUALLY IF YOU HAVE SOON THE AD.

YES.

WILL PLAY WELL FOR HIM AND HIS NAME I.D.

WILL GO UP.

A COUPLE OF OTHER ADS HERE QUICKLY.

RON WATKINS CAN IN COWBOY HAT.

AND LOOKING LOOK WEIRD.

YEAH.

SO YOU I KNOW, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A COWBOY HAT AND MR.WATKINS IS RUNNING FOR CONGRESS AND PROPERLY DONS ONE THEN, TOTALLY, REFERS EVERYONE TO THE QI ANNAN WEB PAGE AND SO YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS.

THESE ADS PLAY WITH THE BITION AND THE PROBLEM THAT THE REPUBLICANS CAN FACE IS THAT IT WILL TURN OFF THE CENTER AND THAT IS ELECTED MARK KELLY AND REAL QUICKLY, ANY HINGE TO ADD ON THAT?

>> WELL, I JUST WAS FLOORED.

I AM USED TO ALL OF THE PEOPLE, ALL HAT GLOB CATTLE DOING THIS.

THIS IS A GRI NEW JERSEY MAYBE THEN COMING OUT HERE AND NAVY BLUE SPORTS COAT ON.

HE HAS THE BIG OLD TEN GALLON HAT LEANING AGAINST A BARBED WIRE FENCE ALL THAT IS LACKING IS A PIECE OF STRAW IN THE MOUTH AND A PAIR TY AND IT IS A JOKE.

>> ALL RIGHT ENTERTAINING.

WE'LL STOP IT THERE.

WE EXPECT THE COY BUY HAT FROM YOU SINCE YOU CAME FROM NEW JERSEY.

ALL RIGHT.

VERY GOOD.

THANKS SO MUCH.

GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE.

GREAT CONVERSATION.

THAT IS FOR SHOW.

I AM TED SIMONS.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.

COMING UP IN THE NEXT HALF HOUR ON ARIZONA PBS: ON CRONKITE NEWS: A LOOK AT THE INCREASING NEED FOR FOSTER PARENTS AROUND THE STATE.

AND ON BREAK IT DOWN: HAS THE PANDEMIC CHANGED DATING FOREVER?

ON THE NEXT ARIZONA HORIZON.

WE'LL LOOK AT AN ANNUAL REPORT ON THE STATE OF THE VALLEY'S WORKFORCE AND WE'LL HEAR ABOUT A NEW MEDIA OUTLET COVERING ARIZONA'S INDIGINOUS LANDS AND BORDERLANDS.

THAT'S ON THE NEXT ARIZONA HORIZON.