[♪ THEME MUSIC ♪] >>> COMING UP IN THE NEXT HOUR OF LOCAL NEWS ON ARIZONA PBS, ON "ARIZONA HORIZON," WE'LL HEAR A DEBATE OVER A BILL THAT RESTRICTS THE VIDEO RECORDING OF LAW ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITY.

AND ON CRONKITE NEWS, THE CHALLENGES OF COVID TESTING IN RURAL AREAS.

THAT'S ALL AHEAD IN THE NEXT HOUR OF ARIZONA PBS.

>>> GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO "ARIZONA HORIZON."

I'M TED SIMONS.

GOVERNOR DUCEY WILL NOT RUN FOR THE U.S. SENATE THIS YEAR, THAT'S ACCORDING TO A LETTER THAT THE GOVERNOR SENT TO DONORS.

THE "ARIZONA REPUBLIC" REPORTS THAT HE DESCRIBED HIMSELF AS HAVING THE TEMPERAMENT OF A BOSS NOT JUST ONE VOICE.

HE SAID IN THE LETTER HE DIDN'T GIVE ANY CLUES TO HIS PLANS AFTER BEING TERMED OUT OF THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE.

>>> RUSSIAN TROOPS HAVE GAINED GROUND IN CRITICAL AREAS OF THE SOUTH AND ARE THREATENING TO CUT OFF UKRAINE'S ACCESS TO THE BLACK SEA.

THIS COMES A ONE MILLION UKRAINIANS HAVE FLED THE COUNTRY >>> RUSSIA AND UKRAINE DID HOLD A SECOND ROUND OF TALKS TODAY IN BELARUS, BUT THERE WAS LITTLE PROGRESS.

THE TWO SIDES DID AGREE TO ALLOW FOOD AND MEDICINE TO REACH AREAS OF HEAVY FIGHTING AND TO ESTABLISH SO-CALLED HUMAN CORRIDORS TO ALLOW FOR THE SAFE MOVEMENT OF CIVILIANS >>> FEDDY MAC IS REPORTING THAT ITS 30-YEAR FIXED RATE AVERAGE WAS 7.6% LAST WEEK.

THE DROP IS THE RESULT OF RECEDING U.S. TREASURY YIELDS, AS INVESTORS MOVE TO THE SAFETY OF BONDS YOU TO THE CONFLICT IN UKRAINE.

THE RATE WILL LIKELY INCREASE AGAIN IN THE COMING MONTHS.

>>> JOHN CAVANAUGH INTRODUCED A BILL THAT WOULD RESTRICT RECORDINGS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT I WANT TO THANK YOU BOTH TO "ARIZONA HORIZON."

REPRESENTATIVE KAVANAUGH THAT, WE'LL START WITH YOU.

WHY IS THIS A GOOD IDEA?

>> SURE.

I WAS A COP FOR 20 YEARS.

I MADE A LOT OF ARRESTS IN TENSE SITUATIONS, SO I KNOW WHAT GOING THROUGH A POLICE OFFICER'S MIND WHEN THEY ARE DOING LAW EP FORCEMENT AND EVERYBODY CARRIES A VIDEO CAMERA, CALLED A CELL PHONE, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE TAPE COPS DURING ENCOUNTERS, AND I FULLY CAN SEE THERE IS A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO DO THAT, BUT I'M TRYING TO BALANCE THE PERSON WHO'S FILMING THIS RIGHTS, WITH EVIDENCE SAFETY OF A POLICE OFFICER.

NOBODY WALKS UP TO A COP WHEN HE IS ARRESTING SOMEBODY AND STANDS ONE OR TWO FEET AWAY.

COMMON SENSE SAYS YOU ARE ASKING FOR TROUBLE.

YOU WILL BE MISTAKEN AS AN ACCOMPLICE, OR YOU WILL DISTRACT THE COP, AND WHILE THE COP IS LOOKING AT YOU, THE PERPETRATOR MAY ESCAPE.

SO POLICE OFFICERS SAID, HEY, CAN WE GET REASONABLE PARAMETERS.

INITIALLY I SAID 15 FEET, CLOSER IN DOORS TO GET AROUND A WALL.

THAT WAS PROBABLY TOO FAR, AND BASED ON WHAT PEOPLE SAID TO ME IN COMMITTEE MEETINGS, PEOPLE EMAILED ME, AND I MADE MASSIVE CHANGES.

I WENT FROM 15 FEET TO 8 FEET, WHICH CONFORMS WITH HOW FAR ABORTION CLINIC PROTESTERS HAVE TO BE.

SOMEBODY SAID WHY CAN'T PEOPLE IN A CAR VIDEOTAPE THE INTERACTION WITH THE DRIVER?

I SAID SAFER FOR COPS.

HANDS UP INSTEAD OF DOWN, SO I MADE THESE CONCESSIONS AND I LIMITED THE APPLICATION.

IT WAS TOO BROOD.

IT COVERED ALL POLICE ACTIVITY.

I NOW ONLY HAVE POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS ACTIVITY, LIKE ARREST SUMMONS, AND SOME OTHERS.

>> WHY IS THAT NOT SUCH A GOOD IDEA?

>> IT IS A LOT TO COVER, BUT I'M GOING TO START WITH THE SUPREME COURT CASE THAT REPRESENTATIVE CAVANAUGH CITED.

THERE WERE THREE VERY IMPORTANT DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE LAW THAT WAS UPHELD AND THIS BILL.

THE FIRST OF THOSE IS THAT THAT LAW CONTAINED A KNOWINGLY REQUIREMENT.

SO YOU ONLY VIOLATED IT IF YOU WERE KNOWINGLY WITHIN 8 FEET OF SOMEBODY.

MY EXPERIENCE IS THAT AVERAGE PEOPLE HAVE VERY DIFFERENT IDEAS OF WHAT SIX FEET LOOKS LIKE IN PRACTICE.

THE SECOND DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE CASE AND THIS BILL, IS THE -- THAT LAW ALLOWED SOMEONE TO STAND STATIONARY.

SO IF YOU ARE STANDING IN ONE PLACE RECORDING, AND AN INDIVIDUAL WALKS TOWARDS YOU OR HAPPENS TO WALK BY YOU, YOU ARE NOT VIOLATING THE LAW.

UNDER HIS BILL, IF YOU ARE RECORDING A GROUP OF OFFICERS CONDUCTING A WRONGFUL ARREST.

THEY DON'T WANT YOU RECORDING THEM, ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS ONE OFFICER COME TOWARD YOU AND IF THEY COME WITHIN 8 FEET OF YOU, NOW YOU ARE VIOLATING THE LAW, AND THEY CAN ARREST YOU AND TOP YOU IN THAT WAY.

AND THE LAW THAT THE SUPREME COURT UPHELD ONLY APPLIED WITHIN 100 FEET OF THE ENTRANCE TO HEALTH CLINICS.

AND THAT'S BECAUSE THE COURTS WERE TRYING TO BALANCE THE COST COST -- CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT OF WOMEN, VERSUS THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS OF PROTESTERS TO HAVE THEIR VOICE HEARD.

HERE WHEN POLICE OFFICERS SIGN UP TO BE POLICE OFFICERS, THE SUPREME COURT HAS UPHELD THAT THEY ARE EXPECTED TO ABIDE BY A STRONGER STANDARD.

THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE THICKER SKINS AND BE SUBJECT TO CRITICISM MORE THAN THE AVERAGE PERSON IS.

>> I WANT TO GO BACK TO, A COP CAN GET CLOSER, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, ALL BETS ARE OFF, THAT HAS TO BE CONCERN?

>> THAT DOESN'T A PROBLEM.

IT IS HANDLING DIFFICULT PEOPLE.

AND IF A COP STARTS WALKING TOWARDS PEOPLE IN THE AREA, HE IS NOT DOING ANY OF THOSE THINGS AND IT DOESN'T APPLY, AND IF I CAN QUICKLY COMMENT.

THERE WERE OTHER DECISIONS WHICH CLEARLY STATE THAT EIGHT FEET IS REASONABLE IN THESE ABORTION CASES, BUT I THINK YOU CAN PROBABLY GO 15 BASED ON THEIR RULING.

BECAUSE IN POLICE SITUATIONS, THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY OF DANGER, WHERE IN THOSE CAUSES, THERE WAS TRULY THE RIGHT TO COMMUNICATE A MESSAGE.

>> WHY NOT PUT SOME SORT OF LIMIT THERE, JUST IN TERMS OF SAFETY?

>> THERE ARE ALREADY A LOT OF TOOLS IN A POLICE OFFICER'S TOOL BOX.

FOR EXAMPLE, YOU CAN ASK THE PERSON TO MOVE IF THEY ARE BLOCKING YOUR WAY, BUT YOU CANNOT ASK THEM TO STOP RECORDING.

AND WE KNOW THE CURRENT LAWS ARE SUFFICIENT, BECAUSE THERE ARE MULTIPLE POLICE OFFICERS, INCLUDING THE TUCSON POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT ALREADY HAVE WRITTEN POLICIES THAT EXPLAIN TO OFFICERS HOW TO COMPLY WITH THE FIRST AMENDMENT WHILE PERFORMING THEIR DUTIES.

>> IS IT INTERFERING IF SOMEBODY WALKS ONE FOOT BEHIND A POLICE OFFICER WHO WAS IN THE PROCESS OF ARRESTING SOMEBODY?

BECAUSE IF YOU ARE CANNING FOR THAT, YOU ARE ASKING FOR A DANGEROUS PROBLEM.

SO IS THAT INTERFERING?

>> WELL, IF YOU ARE WITHIN THE DISTANCE -- >> YOU ARE ONE FOOT BEHIND THE OFFICER.

>> THAT IS A DIFFERENT SITUATION.

>> YOU ARE ONE FOOT BEHIND THE OFFICER.

IS THAT ILLEGAL?

OR WOULD YOU ALLOW PEOPLE LITERALLY WHEN A COP IS FRISKING SOMEBODY, WOULD YOU ALLOW THEM TO WALK RIGHT BEHIND THEM.

>> THE TEST IS WHETHER OR NOT THE PERSON IS INTERFERING.

AND THE SUPREME COURT HAS STRUCK DOWN DISTANCE-BASED LIMITS, WHERE IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO COMPLY.

FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE THERE WAS A VERY NARROW SIDEWALK.

>> IS ONE FOOT BEHIND INTERFERING?

>> WELL, YOUR QUESTION IS A GENERAL QUESTION.

WOULD IT NOT DEPEND ON THE SITUATION?

AND DOES THIS BILL ALLOW FOR THAT?

>> THIS BILL SAYS WHEN IT'S A DANGEROUS SITUATION, YOU NEED TO KEEP BACK 8 FEET SO THERE'S NO CONFUSION.

SO THE COP DOESN'T GET JUMPED BY A FRIEND OF THE PERSON BEING ARRESTED OR THE COP DOES NOT GET DISTRACTED.

AND BY THE WAY 8 FEET IS VERY CLOSE.

THE CAMERAS IN HERE ARE PROBABLY 8 TO 10 FEET AWAY FROM US, AND THERE IS NO PROBLEM FILMING US.

>> SO BOTTOM LINE, FROM YOUR POSITION, THERE SHOULD BE NO LIMITS.

>> YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE FACT THAT THIS IS A FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT.

AND OFFICERS TAKE AN OATH TO UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION, WHICH INCLUDES THE FIRST AMENDMENT.

I'M SURE IT WOULD BE EASIER FOR POLICE OFFICERS TO DO THEIR DUTIES IF THEY COULD WALK UP AND SEARCH SOMEBODY AT ANYTIME.

THAT IS NOT ALLOWED BY THE CONSTITUTION.

>> THE BILL DOES DON'T THAT -- >> SHE IS USING ANALOGY.

AND CRITICS SAY THIS CAN AND WILL PROTECT BAD COPS.

>> HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO THAT?

>> JUST AS YOU CAN SEE ME AT HOME, AT IT FEET CAMERA AWAY, AND YOU CAN PROBABLY ZOOM IN CLOSER, THIS DOES NOT STOP THE SEEN, IT MAKES IT BETTER.

THIS PROTECTS EVERYBODY.

IT PROTECTS THE COP.

AND I DON'T BELIEVE PEOPLE THINK THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO GET WITHIN ONE FOOT OF AN ENCOUNTER.

>> IT JUST MAKES A SITUATION SAFER.

LAST POINT.

RESPOND TO THAT.

>> ARE ALREADY INTERNATIONAL POLICIES IN PLACE THAT BALANCE -- CLEAR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.

IT IS CLEARLY ESTABLISHED THAT YOU HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO RECORD POLICE IN ANY TIME, PLACE, MANNER OR RESTRICTION, MUST COMPLY WITH THREE CRITERIA IN ORDER TO BE CONSTITUTIONAL.

THIS BILL FAILS ON ALL THREE.

AND IT GIVES TOO MUCH DISCRETION TO THE OFFICER.

>> WE HAVE TO STOP IT RIGHT THERE.

THANK YOU BOTH.

GOOD DISCUSSION.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>>> UP NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON," STILL NO BASEBALL, STILL NO SPRING TRAINING.

WE'LL HEAR FROM THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE CACTUS LEAGUE.

>>> SPRING TRAINING WAS SUPPOSED TO START LAST WEEK HERE IN THE VALLEY, BUT THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

AND THE CACTUS LEAGUE IS STILL ON HIATUS.

WE SPOKE TO CACTUS LEAGUE'S EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR BRIDGET BINSBACHER ABOUT THE IMPACT OF NOT HAVING SPRING TRAINING IN THE VALLEY.

IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

WHAT IS THE LATEST ON THE LOCKOUT?

>> WELL, IT'S STILL HAPPENING.

SO WE'RE, LIKE THE REST OF THE WORLD, INTERESTED IN BASEBALL, WAITING TO SEE WHAT THE OUTCOMES OF THE NEGOTIATIONS ARE.

>> ONCE THE LOCKOUT ENDED HOW SOON WOULD IT BEGIN?

>> RIGHT NOW ALL WE KNOW IS SPRING TRAINING IS NOT SCHEDULED TO START BEFORE MARCH 12TH.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING.

I WOULD IMAGINE THEY WOULD NEED SOMETIME BEFORE FINAL -- YOU KNOW, TERMS AND CONDITIONS ARE ESTABLISHED TO GET TO THE FIRST SPRING TRAINING GAME, BUT VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TO SPECULATE.

SO WE JUST KNOW WE NEED TO BE READY.

>> IF IT STARTS A COUPLE OF WEEKS LATE, DOES IT GO ON A COUPLE OF WEEKS LATER?

>> THAT REMAINS TO BE SEEN.

THERE HAS ALREADY BEEN AN ADJUSTMENT TO THE REGULAR SEASON, AND IT ALL HINGES ON THE FINAL OUTCOME BETWEEN THESE TWO PARTIES.

>> IT IS GOING TO START TO GET PRETTY WARM OUT THERE.

>> YES.

BASEBALL IS PLAYED IN ARIZONA YEAR-ROUND.

YOU KNOW, IT CAN HAPPEN ANY TIME.

>> YES.

>> AND CERTAINLY WE SEE IT HAPPEN ALL YEAR LONG.

BUT I CAN'T IMAGINE SPRING TRAINING GOING TOO FAR, YOU KNOW, INTO THE HOTTER MONTHS.

>> YEAH, YEAH.

THE IMPACT ON THE LOCAL ECONOMY.

WHAT ARE YOU HEARING?

>> THAT IS THE BIGGEST CONCERN FOR THE CACTUS LEAGUE ASSOCIATION, BECAUSE REPRESENTING TEN FACILITIES, AT IT MUNICIPALITIES, THE TRIBAL SITUATION.

THE LAST ECONOMIC IMPACT WAS DONE IN 2018, AND AS A RESULT OF THAT COMPLETE STUDY, THE IMPACT WAS 644 MILLION.

>> MY GOODNESS.

>> GENERATING 6400 PART-TIME SEASONAL JOBS AND NEARLY 32 MILLION IN STATE AND LOCAL REVENUES.

SO IT'S A HUGE IMPACT IN A NORMAL SEASON.

TWO YEARS LATER, FAST FORWARD TO 2020, THE SEASON WAS CANCELED ON THE 12TH OF MARCH.

WE COMPLETED THE STUDY THAT YEAR, AND THE TOTAL IMPACT WAS REPORTED AT 363 MILLION.

SO IT WAS NEARLY A $330 MILLION REDUCTION.

AND THERE'S A TRICKLE-DOWN EFFECT THERE.

>> AND AS YOU MENTIONED, 2020, HALF WAY THROUGH, EVERYTHING SHUTS DOWN.

2021, IT WAS GREATLY REDUCED.

2022, WE HAVE NOTHING SO FAR.

THAT'S A HUGE HIT.

>> DEFINITELY.

AND IT RUNS DEEPER THAN THAT.

SO, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THESE FACILITIES ARE READY TO MAKE THE MOST OF WHATEVER OPPORTUNITY COMES THEIR WAY, SO IT'S STILL A WAIT AND SEE FOR 2022, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE MAJORITY OF THAT DIRECT SPEND GOES TO LODGING AND REALLY, BARS AND RESTAURANTS.

>> UH-HUH.

>> AND THERE IS A FACE AND A NAME, AND FAMILY BEHIND EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE BUSINESSES, SO IT'S SIGNIFICANT.

AND TOURISM ACROSS THE STATE IS IMPACTED BY THIS.

>> CAN THE CACTUS LEAGUE PUSH MLB TO DO SOMETHING?

OR DO YOU SIMPLY HAVE TO BE A SPECTATOR AND WAIT AND SEE.

>> THIS IS A NEGOTIATION BETWEEN THE TWO PARTIES.

SO IT'S DIFFICULT FOR US TO WEIGH IN.

WHAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON IS WHAT WE KNOW AND WHAT WE CAN CONTROL.

AND THAT'S BEING READY FOR WHATEVER COMES OUR WAY.

AND WE HAVE SHOWN IN THE LAST COUPLE OF SEASONS THAT WE CAN ADAPT, AND BE FLEXIBLE AND BE READY FOR WHATEVER WE NEED TO BE READY FOR.

AND FOR US, THE GREATEST CONCERN IS THE ECONOMIC IMPACT.

>> HAVE YOU HEARD OF ANY TALK OF MAJOR LEAGUE MAYBE COVERING SOME OF THE COST OF THIS TO THE CITIES?

>> I KNOW A NUMBER OF MUNICIPALITIES, THEY ARE NOT HAPPY AT ALL.

THEY HAVE DEVOTED A LOT OF TIME AND ATTENTION TO THESE FACILITIES, AND NOW SOME OF THEM AREN'T EVEN KEEPING IN CONTACT WITH SOME OF THESE CITY LEADERS.

WHAT IS HAPPENING?

>> THE TEN FACILITIES ALL HAVE INDIVIDUAL ARRANGEMENTS AND RELATIONSHIPS WITH THEIR RESPECT TEAMS.

SOME ARE SINGLE-TEAM FACILITIES.

SOME DOUBLE-TEAM FACILITIES.

SO THEY HAVE THEIR INDIVIDUAL CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENTS, SO THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS IN THOSE AGREEMENTS ARE UNIQUE TO EACH FACILITY.

SO REALLY, THOSE DISCUSSIONS HAPPEN IN THOSE RELATIONSHIPS, SO WE'RE NOT PART OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS, AND, AGAIN, THEY ARE ALL UNIQUE TO ONE ANOTHER.

>> CACTUS LEAGUE TICKETS.

SOMEONE HAS THEIR TICKETS IN THEIR HAND, AND THEY HAVE NOWHERE TO GO.

WHAT DO THEY DO WITH THEM?

>> THE REFUND POLICIES, BASED ON WHAT WE'RE HEARING ARE PRETTY CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT THE CACTUS LEAGUE.

AND WE ARE ENCOURAGING FANS TO GO OUR WEBSITE AT CACTUS LEAGUE.COM, AND FIND OUT WHAT POLICIES EXIST AT THEIR FACILITIES.

>> AND AT SOME YOU CAN WATCH THE MINOR LEAGUERS.

>> THERE IS SOME BASEBALL GOING ON OUT THERE.

>> BRIDGET THANK YOU SO MUCH.

LET'S HOPE THE NEXT TIME WE CAN TALK ABOUT A FULL CACTUS LEAGUE.

>> YES, DEFINITELY.

WE'RE READY.

♪ >>> AND THAT IS IT FOR NOW.

I'M TED SIMONS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING.

♪ >>> COMING UP IN THE NEXT HALF HOUR ON ARIZONA PBS, ON CRONKITE NEWS, WHY SOLAR POWER COULD GET A FINANCIAL BOOST HERE IN ARIZONA.

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