>> ON THE NEXT ARIZONA HORIZON.

IT'S THE JOURNALISTS ROUND TABLE.

WE'LL LOOK AT THE WEEK'S TOP STORIES INCLUDING THE RESIGNATION OF MARICOPA COUNTY ATTORNEY ALLISTER ADEL.

>> COMING UP ON THE NEXT HOUR ON ARIZONA PBS ON ARIZONA HORIZON.

IT'S THE WEEK'S ROUND TABLE WITH THE WEEK'S TOP STORIES INCLUDING THE RESIGNATION OF ALASTAIR ADEL.

THAT'S A YOU WILL AHEAD IN THE NEXT HOUR ON ARIZONA PBS.

FROM GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

I'M TED SIMONS.

IT'S FRIDAY AND THAT MEANS ITS TIME FOR ANOTHER EDITION OF THE JOURNALIST ROUND TABLE.

JOINING US TONIGHT TO DISCUSS THE WEEK'S TOP STORIES ARE LAURIE ROBERTS OF THE ARIZONA REPUBLIC.

CANRYN ANARCHIES FROM THE ARIZONA CAPITOL TIMES AND JEREMY DUDA OF THE ARIZONA MIRROR.

WE'LL START WITH LAURIE AND ALLISTER ADEL.

WAS IT A SURPRISE SHE RESIGNED.

>> IT WAS A SURPRISE TO ME.

SHE HAS BEEN IN TROUBLES THAT MOUNTED OVER THE WEEKS.

I THINK THE FINAL DOMINO TO FALL WERE THOSE 180 CASES OF DRUNK DRIVERS AND ABUSERS THAT HAD TO BE TOSSED OUT BECAUSE PROSECUTORS DIDN'T FILE IN TIME FOR THE STATUTE OF LIMITATION.

EVEN THEN SHE WAS PRETTY COMBATANT AND BLAMING OTHER PEOPLE.

I DON'T KNOW THIS, BUT IF THE BAR INVESTIGATION HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH HER DECISION ON MONDAY OR TUESDAY, ISSUE A FOUR- OR FIVE-SENTENCE STATEMENT SAYING AS OF FRIDAY I WILL BE GONE.

AND SO SHE'S GONE.

>> CAMRYN, SURPRISED SHE LEFT WHEN SHE DID?

>> I'M SURPRISED SHE LEFT WHEN SHE DID, AND NOW WE'RE RUSHING INTO A NEW ELECTION FOR SOMEONE TO FINISH OUT THIS TERM.

THAT'S A NEW THING TO COVER AND THE DEMOCRATS ARE HAPPY TO HAVE A CANDIDATE WITH SO MANY SIGNATURES SO QUICKLY.

>> YES, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES.

THE BOARD WILL HAVE SOMEONE REPUBLICAN IN THE INTERIM.

BUT AT THE ELECTION, WHO DO WE HAVE HERE?

>> WE HAVE JULIE, WHO LOST TO ADEL FAIRLY NARROWLY IN 2020.

THAT WAS A CLOSE RACE FOR HER.

WE'LL SEE IF SHE CAN EMULATE THAT NEAR SUCCESS SHE HAD.

SHE HAS GONE TO THE LEFT SINCE THAT CAMPAIGN, AND WHICH MAY NOT PLAY AS WELL ESPECIALLY IN A REPUBLICAN YEAR.

ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE YOU HAVE HENNE FOSTER, GOVERNOR DUCEY'S GENERAL COUNSEL.

SHE CAME OUT OF THE GATE WITH DUCEY PEOPLE BEHIND HER.

CARY LAKE AND HER ALLIES IMMEDIATELY STARTED STOPPING FOR HER COLLECTING SIGNATURES.

I'M NOT SURE BECAUSE THEY THINK SHE'S MORE POLITICALLY ALIGNED WITH THEM.

I THINK IT MAY BE THAT SHE'S NOT THE DUCEY CANDIDATE, AND CARY LAKE DOES NOT LIKE DUCEY.

>> THE DUCEY MACHINE IS RARING TO GO.

>> I HAVE BEEN SURPRISED BY THAT.

ANNIE FOSTER, WHO SPENT MUCH OF HER CAREER WORKING FOR THE STATE OF ARIZONA.

NOW SHE'S GENERAL COUNSEL FOR THE GOVERNOR.

SHE HAS VERY LITTLE PROSECUTORIAL EXPERIENCE.

MOST OF HER TIME HAS BEEN WORKING FOR OR ADVISING STATE AGENCIES.

SHE'LL BE GOING UP AGAINST CANDIDATES MITCHELL AND GINA, WHO HAS ENORMOUS PROSECUTORIAL EXPERIENCE.

THIS WILL BE AN INTERESTING RACE TO SEE HOW STRONG DUCEY'S PULL IS WITH REPUBLICAN VOTERS.

AS YOU MENTIONED, THE OTHERS ARE GETTING SUPPORT SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT THE DOUG DUCEY PICK.

>> RIGHT, RIGHT.

YOU HAVE TO WONDER HOW FAR THAT GOES.

WE'LL KEEP AN EYE ON THAT ONE.

I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, THE 180 CASES WAS THE LAST DRAW.

WAS ANYONE IN ALLISTER ADEL'S CORNER?

ANYONE PUSHING FOR HER?

ALL RIGHT, NEXT TOPIC.

ABORTION AFTER 15 WEEK PASSES.

HOW DOES IT COMPARE TO MISSISSIPPI, WHICH IS THE SUPREME COURT IS LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW.

>> MM-HMM, THIS BILL IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL BECAUSE WE'RE WAITING FOR A DECISION FROM THE SUPREME COURT ON THE MISSISSIPPI CASE, A CASE THAT IS SIMILAR TO WHAT ARIZONA IS TRYING TO PUSH THROUGH.

IF THE SUPREME COURT UPHOLDS MISSISSIPPI LAW, THEN ARIZONA'S LAW WILL BE CONSTITUTIONAL AND WE CAN KEEP IT IN PLACE.

>> NO EXCEPTIONS FOR RAPE OR INCEST?

TRUE?

>> NOT AFTER 15 WEEKS.

IT WOULD BE THE HEALTH OF THE MOTHER.

>> FRANKLY, I HAVE A HARD TIME SEEING GOVERNOR DUCEY DOING ANYTHING BUT SIGNING.

HE HAS BEEN SOLIDLY PRO-LIFE AS YOU WOULD EXPECT FROM ANY REPUBLICAN GOVERNMENT.

THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT REPUBLICANS ACROSS THE COUNTRY IN STATE HOUSES ACROSS AMERICA.

THIS IS AN ALTERNATIVE FOR FOLKS WHO DON'T WANT TO GO AS FAR AS WHAT WE SAW IN TEXAS.

EVEN FOR REPUBLICANS THAT GAVE THEM HEARTBURN.

THIS IS THE NEW TEST CASE.

THE NEW THRESHOLD.

I WOULD BE SURPRISED THAT GOVERNOR DUCEY DOESN'T SIGN THAT.

>> BUT HE DID SAY HE WOULD LIKE TO SEE EXCEPTIONS.

HOW DOES HE SQUARE THIS?

>> AS RECENTLY AS 2019 I SAW QUOTES FROM HIM WHERE HE THOUGHT AN EXCEPTION OF RAPE.

I GUESS HE PUT HIMSELF IN THE SHOES OF A RAPE VICTIM, WELL, SHE WOULD PROBABLY GET AN ABORTION BEFORE 15 WEEKS.

SO THAT IS PRESUMPTUOUS AND OBNOXIOUS.

WHO CAN SAY WHAT IS GOING THROUGH THE MIND OF A YOUNG WOMAN WHO HAS BEEN RAPED OR EVEN A TEENAGER.

I THINK THAT'S EXTREME THAT HE WOULD DO THAT.

I HELD OUT HOPE THAT THIS MIGHT BE THE FIRST ABORTION BILL THAT HE MIGHT VETO.

BUT I THINK JEREMY IS RIGHT.

HE HAS NEVER VETOED AN ABORTION BILL AND HE'S NOT GOING TO START IN HIS LAST YEAR.

>> KATHY BEHIND THIS.

>> YES, I THINK SHE WOULD SUPPORT THIS BILL.

IT DIDN'T HAPPEN THIS YEAR.

WE HAD TWO HEARTBEAT BILLS IN THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE.

BUT THIS 15-WEEKS ONE I THINK IS EASIER FOR OTHER REPUBLICANS TO JUMP ON TO.

>> YOU MENTIONED TRANSGENDER, A COUPLE OF BILLS TARGETING TRANSGENDER YOUTH.

ONE INVOLVED REASSIGNMENT SURGERY, AND THE OTHER ONE INVOLVING SPORTS.

>> AS YOU MENTIONED, THESE ARE VERY FLASH-POINT ISSUES ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY RIGHT NOW.

ESPECIALLY THE SPORTS ONE.

THIS WOULD BAN TRANSGENDER GIRLS.

GIRLS WHO WERE ORIGINALLY BORN BOYS, I DON'T THINK IT EFFECTS BOY SPORTS AT ALL.

I THINK THIS COMES DOWN TO FUND MENTAL ISSUE OF FAIRNESS.

IT'S UNFAIR FOR SOMEONE WHO WAS BORN MALE DESPITE THE HORMONE SUPPRESSION, THIS IS WHO THEY IDENTIFY.

THIS IS WHO THEY ARE.

THIS IS A MATTER OF ALLOWING THEM TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT LIFE.

>> YOU THINK THEY HAVE A HE HAD EIGHT, NINE, TEN PEOPLE APPLY.

I BELIEVE THEY HAVE ACCEPTED SEVEN.

I HOPE MY NUMBERS ARE RIGHT.

BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M RECALLING, THERE ARE SEVEN CASES.

IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF CASES THAT WERE A PROBLEM.

THE TRANSGENDER SWIMMER THAT IS ALL OVER THE NEWS RIGHT NOW.

THERE HAS BEEN NONE.

IT HAS NOT BEEN AN ISSUE IN ARIZONA, PERIOD.

>> CAMERON, AS FAR AS THE AIA IS CONCERNED, THEY TAKE THIS ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS.

>> THEY DO HAVE A SYSTEM IN PLACE.

>> THAT SYSTEM IS IN PLACE, WHAT'S THE NEED FOR THIS?

>> WELL, IT IS A HOT-BUTTON TOPIC FOR REPUBLICANS NOT JUST IN ARIZONA BUT ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

WE'RE SEEING THESE BILLS IN OTHER STATES.

THE REPUBLICANS ARE PUSHING THIS NARRATIVE.

MAYBE IT'S PART OF THE CAMPAIGN STRATEGY.

BUT AS LORI MENTIONED, THERE AREN'T MANY PEOPLE IN ARIZONA WHO THIS BILL WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE AN IMPACT ON WHO ARE ALREADY PLAYING SPORTS.

>> I THINK IT WOULD HAVE AN IMPACT ON A LOT OF PEOPLE.

IT GOES SO FAR AS TO DENY ANY TRANSGENDER GIRL AT ANY LEVEL IN A PUBLIC SCHOOL OR IN PUBLIC HIGH SCHOOLS THAT COMPETE AGAINST PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

>> INCLUDING ENDURE MURAL.

>> IF YOU'RE A SIXTH GRADER WHO WANTS TO GO PLAY WITH THE GIRLS ON THE VOLLEYBALL TEAM.

YOU'LL NOW BE PROHIBITED FROM DOING THAT.

I RECOGNIZE THAT THERE IS AN ISSUE HERE.

IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD AS A COUNTRY BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT.

I THINK THE THOMAS SITUATION IS EXTREME, AND I FOR ONE THINK IT IS UNFAIR.

BUT DO YOU TAKE A SLEDGEHAMMER TO THIS ISSUE AND MOW DOWN KIDS IN AMERICA OR DO YOU USE A SCALPEL FASHION WHERE THE ISSUES ARE SO MUCH MORE CUT AND DRIED THAN FOR OTHERS?

>> WHAT IS GOVERNOR DUCEY GOING TO DO?

IN UTAH OVER WROTE THE GOVERNOR.

THE GOVERNOR OF UTAH VETOED A SIMILAR BILL, AND THEY SAID NO, YOU DON'T.

WHAT IS GOVERNOR DUCEY GOING TO DO?

>> WE'VE SEEN DEFECTIONS AMONG G.O.P.

GOVERNORS.

11 OR 12 GOVERNORS HAVE SIGNED THESE KINDS OF BILLS OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

AND THEN SPENCER COX WHO HAD A VETO OVER WROTE.

AND GOVERNOR OF INDIANA VETOED THIS.

AND THIS EFFECTS AND TALKS ABOUT HIGH SUICIDE RATES AMONG TRANSGENDER TEENS, AND WANTING THEM TO FEEL LIKE THEY BELONG.

VERY RARELY HAVE SO FEW PEOPLE FACED SO MUCH HATE.

>> IT WAS QUITE AN ELOQUENT STATEMENT HE MADE.

>> I WILL REPHASE WHAT I SAID THAT THIS WILL AFFECT A LOT OF PEOPLE.

BUT WOMEN'S SPORTS ARE UNDER ATTACK.

THERE ARE TRANS GIRLS WHO ARE TRYING TO INFILTRATE SPORTS IN ARIZONA.

I DON'T KNOW THE STATISTICS SUPPORT THAT.

>> HAS THERE BEEN A SINGLE INCIDENT STANCE OF A FEMALE ATHLETE IN ARIZONA COMPLAINING SHE WAS ACED OUT OF A TROPHY OR A SCHOLARSHIP AS A RESULT OF A TRANSGENDER GIRL?

>> NOT AS FAR AS I KNOW.

I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY OF THAT IN THESE COMMITTEES.

ALL OF THE TRANSGENDER YOUTH HAVE TESTIFIED HAVE TESTIFIED IN OPPOSITION OF THESE BILLS.

>> AND TALK ABOUT THE GENDER REASSIGNMENT SURGERY.

THERE WAS EMOTIONAL TESTIMONY ON THAT AND THE ATHLETICS BILLS.

THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR CHILDREN'S WELFARE.

WERE THERE LAWMAKERS WHO WERE LISTENING AND EMPATHETIC, OR WAS THIS JUST A SHUT IT DOWN GAME?

>> ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE, THERE WAS UNANIMOUS SUPPORT.

THERE WAS WALT BLACKMAN WHO TALKED ABOUT MEETING WITH ONE OF THE TEENS WHO TESTIFIED AGAINST BOTH OF THESE BILLS AND SEEMED MOVED BY WHAT HE HEARD, BUT STILL SUPPORTED THE BILLS.

WHICH DID NOT SIT WELL WITH THE DEMOCRATIC COLLEAGUES.

HOW COULD YOU HAVE MET HER AND TALKED WITH HER AND THEN VOTED FOR THIS?

I THINK THERE WAS MORE EMPATHY SURPRISING FROM THAT SIDE OF THE AISLE WHERE STRONG UNANIMOUS SUPPORT FOR THIS BILL.

MORE THAN WE'VE SEEN FROM COLLEAGUES.

>> THAT'S WHAT YOU SAW AS WELL?

>> I WAS GOING TO SAY SENATOR PACE WAS ON THE SPOTLIGHT.

THE BILL THAT CAME FORWARD HAD A BONDER BAND ON TRANSGENDER HEALTHCARE.

PACE VOTED AGAINST THAT VERSION, WALKED IT BACK DRASTICALLY AND THEN REINTRODUCED THAT NEW BILL WHICH IS THE STRIKER, I BELIEVE.

IT IS JUST ON SURGERY.

>> SO GOVERNOR, YOU THINK, SIGNS THESE?

>> YEAH, PROBABLY.

>> PROBABLY.

>> I MEAN, I CAN SORT OF SEE THE POINT ON THE GENDER ASSIGNMENT SURGERY.

THERE IS A CASE TO BE MADE THAT A CHILD EVEN WITH THE HELP OF THEIR PARTICIPATES SHOULD NOT BE MAKING A DECISION THAT IS IRREVERSIBLE AT SUCH A YOUNG AGE.

WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE SCIENCE OF ALL OF THIS, MOST OF US, WE SHOULD STAY OUT OF IT AND LEAVE IT TO A DOCTOR AND THEIR PARENTS.

BUT I CAN SEE THAT A CASE COULD BE MADE.

WAIT UNTIL YOU'RE 18 BECAUSE THEN YOU CAN FULLY CONSIDER THIS.

BUT THIS ISN'T ABOUT THOSE CHILDREN.

THIS IS ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE HAVE MIDTERM ELECTIONS GOING ON AND IT'S A CULTURE WAR THING, AND IT POLLS SO, SO WELL WITH VOTERS.

>> S PROBABLY WORTH NOTING THAT GOVERNOR DUCEY IS CHAIRMAN OF THE GOVERNOR'S ASSOCIATION.

SO HE DOES HAVE A BIRD'S-EYE VIEW OF ALL THE GOVERNOR RACES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT HE'S KEEPING IN MIND AS WELL.

>> THAT'S AN INTERESTING POINT.

JEREMY, WE'LL STAY WITH YOU.

APPARENTLY THERE HAS BEEN AN INDEPENDENT REPORT ON THOSE VOTING MACHINES THAT MARICOPA COUNTY USED, AND BREAKING NEWS, THEY'RE NOT CONNECTED TO THE INTERNET.

>> STILL NOT RIGGED.

THAT'S RIGHT, TED.

THIS IS PART OF THE SO-CALLED AUDIT THAT REPRESENTATIVE FAN STARTED LAST YEAR.

THE ROUTERS FROM THE COUNTY, IT WOULD HAVE TRIPLED THE COUNTY OPERATIONS.

AND WHERE THEY WOULD HIRE ACTUAL EXPERTS TO EXAM THE VOTING MACHINES, THE TABULATION MACHINES, THE ROUTERS, THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT ANY OF THESE HAVE BEEN CONNECTED TO THE INTERNET.

THERE AREN'T ANY ROUTERS THAT CONNECT TO THESE MACHINES AT ALL.

WHICH IS FUNNY BECAUSE WE SAW PRESIDENT TRUMP IN PHOENIX RANTING ON THE ROUTERS, THE ROUTERS, BUT THERE AREN'T ANY ROUTERS FOR THESE MACHINES.

THIS IS THE THIRD TIME THAT SOMEONE HAS LOOKED INTO WHETHER THESE WERE CONNECTED TO THE INTERNET.

AND THEY ALWAYS HAVE BEEN FOUND THAT THEY WERE NOT.

>> THREE TECHNICIANS.

ALL THREE CAME BACK.

THERE'S NOTHING HERE.

I'M SURE SOMEONE CONSIDERS--IT SEEMS THAT IT IS GROUNDHOG DAY HERE.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THIS REPORT AS FAR AS I CAN TELL ISN'T CONVINCING ANYONE EITHER WAY.

FOR THE DEMOCRATS WHO BELIEVE THERE WAS NO FRAUD, THIS IS JUST AN AFFIRMATION OF WHAT THEY WERE SAYING.

AND FOR SOME OF THE REPUBLICANS IN THE SENATE WHO SAY THERE WAS FRAUD, THEY WILL NOT BE CONVINCED BY IN REPORT.

I SPOKE WITH TOWNSEND, ROGERS SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT THAT THIS IS MEANINGLESS, AND BASELESS.

>> HE SAID THAT THE MACHINES WERE LINKED.

WE ALL KNOW IT.

THE TRUTH IS THE TRUTH.

SHE WENT OUT ON HER SOCIAL MEDIA FEEDS AND LIED ABOUT THIS.

AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO DECIDE THERE IS NOTHING THAT IN THIS WORLD THAT WILL CONVINCE CERTAIN PEOPLE THAT THE ELECTION WASN'T RIGGED.

AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO JUST QUIT TRYING BECAUSE IT IS VERY CLEAR THAT THE WENDY ROGERS WING OF THE PARTY, SHE'S ALREADY FUNDRAISING OFF THE FACT THAT AGAIN THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN.

THERE IS NO GOOD FAITH HERE TO EVEN AGREE TO ACCEPT THEIR OWN REPORT OF THEIR OWN PEOPLE.

REMEMBER, THIS WAS A JOINT COUNTY ARIZONA SENATE DECISION TO HIRE MR. SHADDIC.

AND THEN EACH SIDE CHOSE THE EXPERTS.

BUT YOU NOTICE THE ARIZONA SENATE HAS NOT SEPTEMBER OUT ANYTHING ABOUT THIS REPORT.

>> I WAS GOING TO ASK ABOUT THAT, JEREMY.

WHAT DO WE HEAR ON ALL THOSE FOLKS WHO WERE FRONT AND PRESENT ON THIS AUDIT.

>> SENATOR FAN, THIS SHOULD PROVIDE CLOSURE TO FOLKS WHO HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE INTEGRITY OF THE ELECTION, AND HOPEFULLY THIS WILL RESTORE CONFIDENCE.

BUT WE'VE SEEN NO PRESS RELEASE FROM THE SENATE REPUBLICANS.

NOT A TWEET FROM PRESIDENT FAN WHO IS STILL TWEETING LAST WEEKEND, ACCUSING THE COUNTY OF WITHHOLDING INFORMATION FROM THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, WHICH ISN'T TRUE.

THERE ARE FOLKS WHO ARE DOWN PLAYING IT, OR COMPLETELY IGNORING IT.

>> THE GENERAL INVESTIGATION, NOW WE'VE GOT TOWNSEND SUBPOENAING THE COUNTY AGAIN?

>> YES, WE DO.

WE'RE HAVING A SPECIAL MEETING OF THE GOVERNMENT AT 4:00.

TOWNSEND WANTS THE BOARD OF EXPLAIN TO HER IN PERSON WHAT'S GOING ON.

SHE THINKS THERE ARE THINGS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN RELEASED YET AND NEEDS TO BE RELEASED.

THE NOT CLEAR WHETHER THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS PLANS TO SHOW UP.

>> WHAT IS GOING ON?

WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON?

>> ONE OF THE SENATE AUDITORS, THE GUY WHO WAS LOOKING AT THE DIGITAL SIGNATURES OF THE EARLY BALLOTS DID A NEW REPORT.

HE WENT AND COMPARED VOTER SIGNATURES ON THE BALLOTS THAT WERE SIGNED TO SOME SORT OF DATABASE THAT HE FOUND, NOT THE SIGNATURES IN THE VOTER REGISTRATION FILE.

FROM THAT HE DECIDED 200,000 SIGNATURES MAY BE BOGUS.

THIS IS A MAN WHOSE ANALYSIS AS PART OF THE AUDIT WAS SO LAUGHABLY BAD THAT IT WAS QUICKLY DEBUNKED ON EVERY SINGLE POINT BY THE COUNTY IN A CONVINCING FASHION.

WHY SHE WOULD LISTEN TO A NEW ANALYSIS FROM A GUY WHO SAY THE SIGNATURES DON'T MATCH WHEN HE HASN'T SEEN THE REAL SIGNATURES IS BEYOND ME EXCEPT IT KEEPS THE BASE MARCHING AND MAD.

>> THE SIGNATURES WERE CURIOUS AT BEST.

>> A COMPLETE AND TOTAL SHAM.

I'M NOT SURE ANYONE IS TAKING THIS GUY SERIOUSLY.

HE'S NOT ACTING IN GOOD FAITH.

BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL CITED THIS REPORT WHEN THEY ASKED FOR THE INFORMATION.

THE THIRD REQUEST FOR THE INFORMATION.

WELL, THEY'RE NOT GIVING THIS STUFF OVER TO THE AG'S OFFICE SO I'M GOING TO SUBPOENA IT.

THIS IS NOT THE THIRD REQUEST FOR THE SAME INFORMATION.

THE THIRD TIME THEY ASKED FOR NEW INFORMATION.

THERE WERE A FEW INADVERTENT ITEMS THAT WERE LEFT OUT WHEN THEY SUBMITTED THOUSANDS AND THOUGHTS OF PAGES OF STUFF TO THE AG'S OFFICE WHICH NOW HAS ALREADY BEEN SUMMITED.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE POINT OF THE SUBPOENA IS.

BUT NO, THE PROFESSOR WILL NOT SHOW UP ON MONDAY.

THEY'LL SAY PLEASE SPEAK TO OUR LAWYER, AND WE'LL DIRECT QUESTIONS TO HIM.

>> AND EVERY DAY, CYBER NINJAS GET FINED, AND NOW I BELIEVE DIDN'T THE COURT BASICALLY SAY THAT DOUG LOGAN.

AND HIS WIFE, YOU ARE CYBER NINJAS.

YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DOCUMENTS AND COURT FINES PENALTIES.

>> EVEN IF THIS COMPANY IS DISSOLVED, BANKRUPTED OR WHATEVER IT IS THERE WILL BE A CONTINUATION OF THIS.

AND THEY COULD BE BROUGHT IN DIRECTLY.

>> DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR HANDING OVER RECORDS.

>> THE TIME FOR MY EMPLOYER TO TAKE IT ONE STEP FURTHER AND REQUEST CONTEMPT OF COURT CITATION.

IT IS CLEAR THAT THE $50,000 A DAY FINES ARE DOING NOTHING.

THE PUBLIC IS ABSOLUTELY HAVING ITS NOSE THUMBED AT IT.

THESE ARE PUBLIC RECORDS.

MULTIPLE JIMS AND MULTIPLE COURTS HAVE RULED THAT, YET WE CAN'T GET THEM.

>> YEAH, YEAH, BEFORE WE GO, JEREMY, THIS EARLY VOTING BAN, THE IDEA THAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WANTS TO STOP MAIL-IN VOTING, AND SPEAKER BOWERS, IT WAS RESURRECTED.

WHAT'S GOING ON?

I THOUGHT THIS THING WAS DONE AND OVER WELCOME.

>> SOME THINGS HAVE MORE LIVES THAN YOUR AVERAGE HOUSE CAT.

JOHN FILLMORE, WHICH BANNED ALMOST ALL EARLY VOTING, REQUIRES HAND COUNTING OF ALL BALLOTS IN ONE DAY.

ONE THING THAT DIDN'T MAKE IT IN THE NEW VERSION WHERE THE LEGISLATION CAN SAY, THE ELECTION RESULTS YOU GOT THERE, WE CAN IGNORE THAT AND SAY SOMEONE ELSE WON.

THAT WASN'T IN THERE, BUT BE CLEAR, THIS IS POLITICAL THEATER.

THIS HAS ZERO CHANCE OF PASSING THE FULL LEGISLATURE.

THIS IS SIMPLY NOT GOING TO PASS.

SO THERE IS REALLY NO REASON EXCEPT REALLY TO BE SEEN DOING IT.

>> THIS IS ONE OTHER REASON TO DO IT, KELLY TOWNSEND WILL HAVE A TOUGH RACE.

SHE HAS TO RUN AGAINST WENDY ROGERS.

YOU WANT TO SHOW WHO IS THE TRUMPEST OF THEM ALL, THIS IS A GOOD THING TO HAVE ON YOUR RESUME.

>> AND TO HAVE THIS STACKED ON THE BILLS AND HAVE IT GO AS FAR AS IT CAN GO.

BUT A LOT OF THESE EARLY VOTERS ARE REPUBLICANS.

THERE ARE AREAS OF SUN CITY AND OTHER PLACES, YOU GET RID OF MAIL-IN VOTING YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE SOME VOTES.

>> WELL, I'M GOING TO REITERATE WHAT JEREMY SAID.

THERE IS ZERO PERCENT CHANCE OF THIS GOING FURTHER THAN IT HAS.

SO THAT'S A STATEMENT.

THERE IS MORE INFIGHTING THAN THAT, THEY SAY THEY CAN'T SUPPORT THE BILL THAT HE HELPED TO PASS UNLESS THERE IS AN AMENDMENT BECAUSE OF THIS HAND COUNT THING.

HE THINKS IT'S NOT FEASIBLE TO HAPPENED--HAND COUNT EVERY BALLOT.

AND THEN ROGERS SAID NO MACHINES AT ALL.

ONLY IF IT IS HAND COUNT ONLY.

>> YEAH, GOOD LUCK CHARLIE ON THAT ONE.

IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IF--IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A WINNING CAMPAIGN STRATEGY.

>> REALLY QUICKLY, JEREMY, ONE MORE THING.

THAT PRECINCT THING THAT WAS SUCH A BIG DEAL BECAUSE NO ONE YOU DOWN THERE READ THE BILL, AND THEN THEY PASSED IT, THEN THEY SAID WE DIDN'T READ IT.

THE COURT SAID DON'T BOTHER.

>> THE REPUBLICAN PARTY SUED, AND SAID THIS BILL IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

THE JUDGE SAID HE AGREED.

IT PROBABLY HELPED THAT OUTSIDE COUNSEL WHO SAID WE AGREE THAT'S UNCONSTITUTIONAL, YOU SHOULD STRIKE THIS DOWN.

WHO KNOWS WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IF SOMEONE CARED ENOUGH TO DEFEND IT.

SOUNDS LIKE NO ONE DID, BUT A SMALL NUMBER OF PT ELECTIONS THAT GO IN THE BALLOT, 18 OUT OF--21 OUT OF 1500 TWO YEARS AGO.

THOSE WILL BE BACK ON THE BALLOT THIS YEAR.

>> THERE IS A LESSON.

DON'T BY PASS THE PROCESS.

BY PASSED THE PROCESS OF PUBLIC HEARINGS, DEBATE WHERE THEY MIGHT HAVE FOUND OUT THIS IS A PROBLEM.

NOW THEY'RE ABOUT TO GO DOWN THAT SAME PATH WITH A BILL THAT SHAPES HOW WE FUND SCHOOLS.

THAT WILL BE NEXT WEEK'S HEADLINE.

>> SOMETHING DROPPED TODAY?

>> YES, IT'S A STRIKER.

IT'S ON A LEECH BILL AND 101 PAGES, AND IT EFFECTS EDUCATION FUNDING DRASTICALLY.

WE HAVE TENTATIVE NOs FROM THE DEMOCRATS.

>> THAT WILL BE INTERESTING READING FOR THE WEEKEND AND NEXT WEEK'S JOURNALIST ROUND TABLE.

GOOD DISCUSSION.

GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE.

IT SEEMS THAT WE REVISIT THE SAME STORIES EVERY WEEK HALF THE TIME BUT IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE NONETHELESS.

I'M DEAD SIMONS.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

WE'LL BE COVERING THE EDUCATION BILL AND OTHER ASPECTS OF THE LEGISLATURE NEXT WEEK.

LOTS GOING ON.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US AND WE HOPE YOU HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.

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