>> Ted: NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON, IT'S THE JOURNALIST'S ROUNDTABLE, A LOOK AT GOVERNOR HOBBS SETTING A NEW STATE RECORD FOR LEGISLATIVE VETOES.

THAT'S NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON.

GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

I'M TED SIMONS.

IT'S FRIDAY AND THAT MEANS IT'S TIME FOR THE JOURNALIST'S ROUNDTABLE.

WE HAVE ROY STERN AND JEREMY DUDA AND MARY JO PITZEL.

GOOD TO HAVE YOU ALL HERE AND A LOT TO TALK ABOUT.

I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE GOVERNOR STATING A NEW RECORD AS FAR AS VETOES ARE CONCERNED AND RAY, WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON WITH CAMRYM SANCHEZ AND STATE SENATOR WENDY ROGERS.

>> THIS COULD SET A NEW PRECEDENT IF THEY DON'T LIKE THE FACT THEY ANSWER A QUESTION TWICE.

>> AND GET IT.

>> THE SENATOR FOUND A JUDGE IN FLAGSTAFF JUSTICE COURT WHO SIGNED OFF ON THIS INJUNCTION AGAINST HARASSMENT, AGAINST CAMRYN SANCHEZ AND SHE PERSISTED IN ASKING QUESTIONS ON THE SENATE FLOOR AFTER REBUFFED.

AND THEN MOST RECENTLY SHOWED UP AT TWO OF THE HOUSES AND RANG THE DOORBELL.

TALKED TO AN ELECTRICIAN, ASKED WHERE WENDY WAS.

THIS IS IN REGARDS TO A LEGITIMATE NEWS STORY SHE'S WORK ON TO FIND OUT WHETHER WENDY LIVES IN THE DISTRICT SHE WAS ELECTED IN.

>> Ted: IN FLAGSTAFF COURT JUDGE AGREED TO NOT TO MUCH THE SENATE STUFF BUT DON'T CONTACT THE SENATOR AT HER HOME?

>> I THINK THEY PROBABLY HAVE TO GO TO COURT ON THIS AND SOMETHING THAT GETS FILED AND YOU FILE AN INJUNCTION AGAINST HARASSMENT AND FOR NOW, SHE CAN GO ON THE SENATE FLOOR AND DO HER JOB AND CAN'T FIND OUT IF SHE'S WHERE SHE LIVED.

>> Ted: MARY JO, HAS THIS EVER HAPPENED BEFORE WITH A LAWMAKER AND REPORTER?

>> LONG TIME VIEWERS MIGHT REMEMBER WHEN THE THEN GOVERNOR NEECUM SAID DON'T EVER ASK ME FOR A TRUE FACT AND NOTHING FOR DECADES IN HISTORY.

LAWMAKERS BRISTLE AT BEING ASKED QUESTIONS.

IF YOU ATTEMPT TO TALK TO HER, SHE'LL TURN AWAY OR SAY GO SEND AN EMAIL TO HER TO SOME EMAIL ACCOUNT.

BUT NO, I HATE TO USE THE WORD, UNPRECEDENT.

>> Ted: WHAT'S GOING ON HERE, RAY?

>> THIS WAS PROCEEDED THAT HAPPENED BACK IN FEBRUARY THAT DIDN'T GET AS MUCH COVERAGE AND CAMRYN ASKED A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND SENATOR ROGERS COMPLAINED TO SENATOR PETERSEN AND SET THIS RULE DOWN THAT SHE CAN'T APPROACH WENDY AT HER DESK.

ALTHOUGH, SHE CAN APPROACH HER IN OTHER PLACES.

>> A LOT OF THESE LAWMAKERS, THEY DON'T ANSWER EMAILS AND WON'T ANSWER CALLS AND GOING DOWN TO THE FLOOR OF THE HOUSE OR SENATE, AS WE ALL KNOW AND HAVE DONE THOUSANDS OF TIMES, FOR SOME TIMES THAT'S THE ONLY WAY TO GET INFORMATION.

WENDY ROGERS REPRESENTS THREE THOUSAND OR SO PEOPLE IN HER DISTRICT AND MAKING DECISIONS AND REFUSES TO COMMENT TO WHERE MOST VOTERS GET THEIR INFORMATION AND CAMRYN WAS ASKING A LEGITIMATE QUESTION, WHETHER SHE LIVES IN HER DISTRICT.

SHE LISTS FLAGSTAFF AS HER RESIDENT AND SHE LIVED IN TEMPE AND RAN FOR FROM THE TEMPE DISTRICT AND FILED DOCUMENTATION THAT HER OFFICIAL RESIDENCE IS THE TEMPE HOUSE.

STATE LAW IS VERY IFFY ON -- VERY MALLEABLE AS WHERE YOU CLAIM RESIDENCE AS A LEGISLATOR.

YOU HAVE TO LIVE IN YOUR DISTRICT TO REPRESENT IN THE LEGISLATURE AND AFFECTS HOW MUCH MONEY YOU GET PER DUM.

PER DIUM.

>> GETTING SOMETHING ON THE FLOOR BEFORE OR AFTER A FLOOR SESSION HAS HAPPENED IS OFTEN YOUR BEST CHANCE AND OFTEN, IT'S JUST A VERY PLEADING VERY FLEETING COMMENT.

BUT I DO THINK THE INTERESTING ISSUE THAT'S POPPED UP IN THIS OTHER THAN THE INJUNCTION, YEAH, THIS WHOLE ISSUE AGAIN OF LAWMAKER RESIDENCY, MANY A REPORTER HAS TRIED TO PROVED OR DISPROVED WHERE A LAWMAKER LIVES OVER THE YEARS AND ME INCLUDED.

AND YOU JUST DON'T GET ANYWHERE.

IT'S WHERE THE LAWMAKER BELIEVES THAT THEY LIVE.

>> Ted: ISN'T PER DIUM INVOLVED AND DOESN'T SHE GET MORE?

SOUNDS LIKE SHE'S IF MARICOPA COUNTY?

>> ESPECIALLY WHILE SHE'S IN PLAY AND MANAGED TO RACK UP THAT IN MILEAGE AND SUB SIS INSTANCE PAY FROM PLOYGRAPH AND FLAGSTAFF AND IS SHE DOING THAT?

WE'RE NOT SURE.

>> SHE WOULD BE ENTITLED TO THREE THOUSAND OR SO AND THAT'S WHAT SENATOR PETERSEN GOT AND HE LIVES FURTHER.

>> JUST A FEW YEARS AGO, THE LEGISLATURE FINALLY ADJUSTED THE PER DIEM RECOGNIZES THAT LAWMAKERS HAVE A LONG WAY TO DRIVE AND THEY WON'T BE GOING BACK AND FORTH TO THE RESERVATION DAY-TO-DAY AND INCREASED THE AMOUNT FOR THE OUTCOUNTY LAWMAKERS AND YOU CAN SAY THERE'S MORE OF AN INCENTIVE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU LIVE WHERE YOU SAY YOU LIVE AND MAYBE AN INCENTIVE TO NOT DISCLOSE WHERE YOU'RE STAYING IN THE VALLEY.

LAWMAKERS, THEY'LL RENT APARTMENTS AND STAY WITH FRIENDS BECAUSE AGAIN DRIVING BACK AND FORTH IS NOT REAL EFFICIENT.

THAT'S FINE, BUT THE QUESTION IS, WHERE ARE YOU ON THE WEEKENDS AND WHERE ARE YOU WHEN IT COMES TIME TO VOTING?

>> WHAT'S WRONG WITH A REPORTER GOING UP TO A LEGISLATOR'S HOUSE THAT'S RELATED TO THE JOB AND RINGING THE DOORBELL TO GET AHOLD OF THAT LEGISLATOR?

WE WOULD DO IT ALL OF THE TIME BEFORE EMAIL AND WHATNOT.

YOU HAD YOUR PHONE CALL OR GOING TO THE HOME IF YOU COULDN'T FIND A WAY TO TALK TO THEM.

I DON'T SEE WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT.

THE IDEA THAT SENATOR ROGERS WHO IS A MILITARY VETERAN AND AFRAID OF SANCHEZ OF DOING HER JOB IS UNBELIEVABLE.

>> Ted: SHE SAID IN A STATEMENT, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS PERSON WOULD LASH OUT AND TRY TO PHYSICALLY HARM ME.

>> WITH NO PROOF SHE'S EVER DONE ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

>> PERHAPS SENATOR ROGERS HAD TAKEN TIME TO TALK WITH CAMRNY AND SHE WOULD GET A BETTER FEEL WITH THAT.

>> Ted: THE ART OF POLITICS IS THE ABILITY TO RESPOND AND SAY NOTHING, BUT AT LEAST RESPOND.

I MEAN, CERTAINLY WENDY ROGERS HAS BEEN AROUND LONG ENOUGH TO DO THAT.

>> SHE'S BEEN IN THE LEGISLATOR FOR THREE YEARS AND STARTING IN 20102010 AND RUNNING FOR CONGRESS.

IF YOU'RE SCARED OF A REPORTER ASKING YOU QUESTIONS AND SOMEONE OF NO PHYSICAL THREAT MIGHT LASH OUT AND DO YOU HARM OR CAUSE VIOLENCE, THAT'S NOT A SERIOUS STATEMENT.

>> Ted: WE'LL SEE WHAT THE CAPITOL TIMES DOES AND TALKING ABOUT LEGS AND BOOM!

THE JOLLY GREEN GIANT IN TERMS OF VETOES, GOVERNOR HOBBS IS NUMBER ONE.

>> BROKE GOVERNOR THAT THAT PAL NEPATNO'S RECORDS.

>> Ted: SIMILAR RECORDS.

>> THE MOST OBVIOUS THING, DEMOCRATIC GOVERNORS PRESIDING WHEN THERE IS A G.O.P-CONTROLLED LEGISLATURE, BUT BIG DIFFERENCES, THIS LEGISLATURE THAT HOBBS HAS TO DEAL WITH, AND PRETTY ARE ENTRENCHED.

THE MARGINS WEREN'T AS TIGHT AND FOUND A LOT OF MODERATE REPUBLICANS THAT SHE COULD WORK WITH.

>> Ted: THEY POL NAPOLITANO, 334 BILLS AND GOVERNOR HOBBS HAS SIGNED 90.

SO IT DOES SEEM MORE FRACTURED NOW THAN IT WAS BACK THEN.

>> THERE MAY BE SOME LAWMAKERS WHO KNOW THEIR ONE VOTE WHO COULD KILL THESE ONE BILLS AND MAYBE IT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE HOBBS WILL KILL THIS AND THEY WANT TO SAY, OH, GOVERNOR HOBBS CAN'T GET HER AGENDA THROUGH AND LOOK AT ALL OF THESE BILLS THAT WERE VETOED AND THEY GET THESE SIGNS.

THIS IS CONTROVERSIAL ELECTION BILLS AND STUFF ON GUNS AND NOT ALL AND WE'LL GET TO THAT, THEY PASS ONLY WITH REPUBLICAN BILLS.

SO MANY BILLS DIDN'T PASS WITH A DEMOCRATIC VOTE.

NOT ALL.

>> THEY'RE PLAYING TO THEIR CONSTITUENCIES, TOO, AND THEY VOTED FOR SOMETHING AND THEY'RE PUSHING FORWARD THIS AGENDA AND THE GOVERNOR VETOED IT.

SONNY BARELLI GOT A BILL PASSED THAT BANNED MACHINE GUNS AND THIS ISN'T A PROBLEM THAT EXISTS AND IN THE FIREARM'S CATEGORY, THERE WAS A BILL THAT WOULD HAVE MADE FIREARM TRAINING MANDATORY IN SCHOOLS.

YOU COULD OPT OUT OF IT,.

>> Ted: REPUBLICAN RESPONSE, ONCE IT WAS MADE, SHOWCASES A FAILURE TO WORK ACROSS THE AISLE AND SHOWCASES A LACK OF LEADERSHIP.

DOES THAT GET TRACTION OUT THERE?

THAT MINDSET?

>> POLITICALLY DEVICIVE ENVIRONMENT, SO I WOULD SAY THAT, BASICALLY, IF YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT, YOU'RE SEEING HOBBS AS BEING JUST TOO FAST WITH THAT VETO STAMP.

>> WELL, MAYBE, AND I FOR THE NEXT TOPIC, YOU IF YOU WANTED TO, YOU COULD GET THE GOVERNOR TO WORK WITH LEGISLATORS TO CRAFT SOMETHING THAT WOULD GET THROUGH AND NOT GET VETOED.

>> Ted: BRING THAT UP.

>> AND THAT BILL WOULD BE THE INFAMOUS THAT TAMALE BILL, WHAT THEY CALL COTTAGE INDUSTRY FOODS TO BE SOLD WITHOUT A FOOD HANDLER PERMIT.

WE'VE ADD EXEMPTIONS FOR HOME BAKED GOODS, COOKIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

>> Ted: THE GOVERNOR VETOED SAYING THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH DOESN'T LIKE THIS IDEA AND THIS IS AN INVITATION FOR FOOD BORNE ILLNESSES.

I GET THAT BUT THIS PASSED WITH SUPER MAJORITY AND WILL WE GET AN OVERRIDE?

>> AN OVERRIDE VOTE AND A LOT OF DEMOCRAT SUPPORT AND THIS IS SOMETHING IMPORTANT TO THE LATINO COMMUNITY AND LOW INCOME FOLKS SELLING THINGS AND PEOPLE AREN'T GETTING SICK FROM THIS AND A LOT OF DEMOCRATS UPSET WITH THEIR OWN GOVERNOR ON THIS.

BUT A BIG DIFFERENCE VOTING FOR A BILL AND VETO OVERRIDE.

THE GOVERNOR IS UNDERSIEGE.

I'VE TALKED TO A COUPLE DEMOCRATS IN THE HOUSE WHO VOTED FOR IN THE FIRST TIME AROUND AND ONE SAID, I WON'T VOTE TO OVERRIDE THIS AND REALLY PREFERS TO GET A NEW LEGISLATION AND WE CAN ADDRESS THE GOVERNOR'S CONCERNS.

BOTH ARE NOS AND GETTING OUT OF THE HOUSE FIRST.

AND SENATE DEMOCRATS SAYING WE WILL NOT HELP THE REPUBLICANS OVERRIDE THIS VETO AND NOT SOMETHING.

>> REPUBLICANS ARE READY TO GO WITH A VETO OVERRIDE VOTE.

>> AND IT WILL BE A GREAT DEBATE SESSION.

>> THIS WAS A POLITICAL PROBLEM FROM THE BEGINNING AND IT WAS A REPUBLICAN BILL BY TRAVIS GRANTHAM AND ONLY ONE REPUBLICANNED VOTED NO AND THE REST OF THE NO VOTES WERE FROM DEMOCRATS.

>> Ted: LAST OVERRIDE, DO YOU KNOW WHEN THE LAST OVERRIDE WAS?

>> AN OVERRIDE IN THE SENATE TWO YEARS AGO WHEN DUCEY VETOED A BUNCH OF BILLS AND BROUGHT ONE BACK TO TRY TO MAKE A POINT AND NEVER GOT TAKEN UP WITH THE HOUSE.

SO IN THE '40'S?

>> 1981, BRUCE BABBOTT AND THEY FOUND FOUR DEMOCRATS IN THE SENATE WHO WANTED TO PRESERVE THEIR DISTRICTS AND WILLING TO JOIN WITH REPUBLICANS AND OVERRODE THAT AND TWO DEMOCRATS LOST THEIR PRIMARIES AND THAT IS THE LAST TIME -- I'M NOT EVEN SURE IF THERE WAS A TIME BEFORE THAT.

>> Ted: I THINK THERE WAS AN AN OATH TIME.

AN ONLY TIME.

>> IN '81, THAT WAS THE ONLY TIME THAT WAS THE DISTRICT LINES.

>> Ted: THERE YOU GO, VERY GOOD.

>> ALONG CAME THE INDEPENDENT REDISTRICTING PUPDISTRICTING.

>> Ted: AS WE'RE TAPING THIS ON FRIDAY AFTERNOON, THE U.S. SUPREME COURT THIS AFTERNOON RULED AGAINST RESTRICTIONS ON IT ABORTION PILL MIFEPRISTONE AND SET A SELF-IMPOSED DEADLINE TO MAKE THAT RULING AND MADE THAT RULING AND WE'LL HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT ON THE NEWS HOUR LATER HERE ON ARIZONA PBS AND WANTED TO GET THAT OUT THERE, THE SUPREME COURT RULED AGAINST THAT.

WE MIGHT TALK ABOUT THAT NEXT WEEK.

THIS WEEK, TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF OTHER THINGS, INCLUDING THE GOVERNOR'S APPROVAL RATING AND NOT SO BAD, NOT SO GOOD.

WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF IT?

>> I THINK IT'S NOT TOO BAD FOR THE DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR RIGHT NOW.

IT'S BEEN SAID THAT REPUBLICANS BETTER WATCH OUT BECAUSE I THINK THE LAST APPROVAL RATING WAS 43% AND 30% DISAPPROVAL AND THAT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S BELOW 50% AND NOT TOO BAD.

>> Ted: MORNING CONSULT 47% AND 36% DO NOT APPROVAL AND ONE OF ONLY FIVE GOVERNORS IN THE COUNTRY WITH APPROVAL RATINGS BELOW 50% AND AN 11 POINT POSITIVE AND THAT'S NOT SO BAD, BUT, AGAIN, NOT SO GOOD.

>> YOU'LL TAKE IT.

I MEAN, YOU'RE ON THE POSITIVE SIDE AND IT'S, LIKE, YOU KNOW, A WIN'S WIN, I GUESS.

BUT IT DOES SORT OF SHOW THE FRACTURED NATURE OF OUR POLITICS IN ARIZONA.

REMEMBER, HOBBS ONLY ONE LIKE A PERCENTAGE POINT.

>> Ted: YES, AND SOME SAY SHE DIDN'T WIN AT ALL, BUT WE WON'T GO WITH THAT.

>> SHE'S ALSO A HIGH PERCENTAGE OF FOLKS WHO DIDN'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT HER TO SAY WHETHER THEY APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE AND I THINK WOULD COME FROM HER BEING JUST IN OFFICE FOR THE PAST FEW MONTHS, AND THAT 47%, IF I'M KATIE HOBBS, NOT TOO HAPPY WITH THAT AND I WANT TO TRY TO BRING THAT UP EVEN IF THAT NET POSITIVE WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE COURT.

>> Ted: WHEN THE SUPREME COURT MAKES A RULING ON THE ABORTION PILL AND GOING AGAINST THE PREVIOUS COURT RULING, DOES THAT HELP KATIE HOBBS?

A LOT OF HER CAMPAIGN WAS, THIS IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN ON MY WATCH?

>> I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD HELP BECAUSE ABORTION RIGHT'S ISSUE WAS BIG LAST YEAR AND ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS THAT KATIE HOBBS IS GOVERNOR RIGHT NOW.

WHETHER YOU BELIEVE SHE WON OR NOT, SHE DID AND ONE OF THE REASONS.

I HAVE HEARD THAT FROM REPUBLICANS THAT BROUGHT OUT A LOT OF YOUNG VOTERS AND PEOPLE WHO MIGHT NOT HAVE OTHERWISE VOTED IN THE ELECTION AND THAT PROBABLY PUT HER OVER THE TOP.

EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT SO HAPPY ABOUT WHAT YOU'VE SEEN FROM THE GOVERNOR, MAYBE YOU LIKE AT THAT AND SAY MAYBE I VOTED FOR HER.

>> Ted: LET'S TALK ABOUT THE REPUBLICAN EFFORTS TO REPLACE LIZ HARRIS AND WE HAVE THREE NAMES.

AND ONE WAS -- >> LIZ HARRIS.

SHE'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE APPOINTED.

THE BOARD THAT SHE'S GOING UP AGAINST HAS GOTTEN DEATH THREATS FOR THE ELECTION DEATHISM THAT LIZ HARRIS REPRESENTS AND JACK SELLERS, THE SUPERVISOR WHO REPRESENTS THE DISTRICT, HE'S UNLIKELY TO SELECT HER.

THE SUPERVISOR FROM THAT DISTRICT WOULD HAVE MORE TO SAY OVER WHO GETS IT.

THERE ARE TWO OTHERS, JULIE WILLOUGHBY, NURSING IN MARICOPA AND LOST ABOUT 275 VOTES AND RAN ON A SLATE WITH HARRIS AND TOLD SHE'S AN INDEPENDENT THINKER AWAY FROM HARRIS TO SOME EXTENT.

AND STEVE STEELE, A GUY WHO WORKED FOR A NATURAL GAS COMPANY IN NEBRASKA.

AND HE HAS LIVED IN MEXICO FOR A FEW YEARS AND ARRIVED IN ARIZONA A FEW YEARS AGO AFTER BEING RETIRED AND MOST RECENTLY, HE TAUGHT MOTORCYCLE TRAINING.

HE'S EXCITED TO BE SELECTED, THOUGH.

AND HE PROMISES TO BONE UP ON WHAT A LEGISLATOR DOES.

>> Ted: LIZ HARRIS WAS EXPELLED AND SHE'S ADIOS AND THE REPUBLICANS ARE SAYING WE WANT HER BACK.

>> THE PEOPLE THAT USHERED HER INTO OFFICE AND AFTER THE HOUSE EXPELLED HER, THE PRECINCT COMMITTEE PEOPLE IN THE DISTRICT THAT SHE WAS ELECTED TO REPRESENT MADE IT CLEAR THEY WANT HER BACK.

>> Ted: AND SO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS SAYS, WE HAVE TO PICK SOMEONE HERE, RIGHT?

>> THEY THEY DO.

THEY'RETHAT THEY DO.THEY HAVE NO TIME LIMIT TO MAKE THIS AND THEY WANT TO WEIGH THEIR OPTIONS AND THEY HAVE ALL OF THE TIME IN THE WORLD AND LIMITED TO THOSE THREE.

OBVIOUSLY, IT WON'T BE HARRIS.

SHE BOUGHT SOME ONTO THIS COMMITTEE THAT THEY WERE BRIBED BY THE CARTELS AND FAKE MORTGAGE DEEDS AND WILLOUGHBY HAD SOME ON THE TICKET AND THE HOUSE CANDIDATES FOR DISTRICT GENERALLY RUN AND IT'S PROBABLY THERE AND THEY'LL DO DELIBERATIONS AND WON'T MAKE A DECISION THEN.

>> REPUBLICANS HAVE A PROBLEM, BASICALLY, BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A MAJORITY THAT THEY NEED TO PASS PARTY LINE BILLS AND HAVE TAKEN A WEEK OFF AND PLAN TO COME BACK ON TUESDAY.

THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAD A MEETING FOR THIS MONDAY AND THEY ANNOUNCED THEY WOULD NOT BE MAKING THE APPOINTMENT THEN.

AND SO, IF REPUBLICANS THOUGHT THAT BY NEXT WEEK, THEY WOULD BE PASSING PART LINE BILLS AGAIN, THAT WON'T HAPPEN.

STATE LAW IS UNCLEAR ON THE 31 MAJORITY RULE AND THIS IS THE WAY THEY'VE DONE IT.

>> Ted: WILL SPRING BREAK CONTINUE THEN?

>> PART TWO.

>> Ted: TALKING A LOT ABOUT REPORTERS ON THIS SHOW, WERE TOLD TO GET OUT AND BROUGHT BACK IN AND WHAT WAS THAT ABOUT?

>> THAT WAS A NEW ONE.

AS WE MENTIONED, THE LD13 PEOPLE WANT LIZ HARRIS BACK AND UNHAPPY WITH THE EXPULSION AND AS SOON AS THIS MEETING BEGAN, SOMEBODY SAID WE WANT TO EXPEL THE MEDIA FROM THIS ROOM AND SOMEBODY IMMEDIATELY SECONDED IT AND THIS IS IT AND WE'LL GET VOTED OUT.

ONLY 35 OUT OF 134 PEOPLE VOTED TO KEEP THE MEDIA IN.

HOWEVER, AFTER WE WERE OUT FOR A LITTLE WHILE, MISSING LIZ HARRIS' SPEECH, UNFORTUNATELY, JEFF DEWITT GOT ON THE PHONE WITH A LAWYER AFTER HE SAW TWEETS THAT SAID, THIS COULD BE ILLEGAL, AND THE LAWYER, HE ADVISED HIM OUT OF ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION, LET THEM BACK IN.

>> Ted: OPEN MEETING LAWS.

>> IT'S NOT NECESSARILY JUST A PRIVATE CLUB.

PCS ARE ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT, A DEBATE OVER THAT, AND THERE CONDUCTING AN OFFICIAL FUNCTION MANDATED BY STATE LAW.

THE WAY IT WAS EXPLAINED TO LEGAL COUNSEL YEARS AGO, THEY DO NOT HAVE TO LET US IN TO THESE MEETINGS, EXCEPT FOR SITUATIONS THEY'RE DOING A DUTY THAT IS MANDATED BY STATE LAW.

THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT LEGAL DUTY.

>> THIS AFFECTS THE WHOLE STATE.

>> Ted: DEMOCRATS HAD A PROCESS AND DIDN'T SEEM QUITE AS DRAMATIC.

>> TEN DAYS AGO, SENATOR TEHRAN IS SPENDING TITLE ON TIME ON HER CAMPAIGN AND IN HER DISTRICT, HE MET MONDAY EVENING AND NOMINATED THREE PEOPLE AND TWO STATE LAWMAKERS AND REPRESENTED BRAVO AND CRUZ, WHO WAS A SCHOOL BOARD CANDIDATE FOR PHOENIX ELEMENTARY A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, A REVEREND AND THAT WILL BE ALSO UP TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO SELECT ONE.

>> Ted: SO THE ODDS ARE WITH TWO HOUSE MEMBERS A CANDIDATES, ONE WOULD LIKELY -- THOSE ARE THE ODDS, AT LEAST?

WE HAVE TO FIT THIS WITH THE HOUSE PERSON?

>> YES, WE WOULD.

>> Ted: IT NEVER STOPS.

>> THIS IS REMINISCENT IN '21 WITH ALL OF THE LAWMAKERS RESIGNING AND WASN'T IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION AND THAT WILL ACCELERATE THINGS.

>> ONE WAS, I BELIEVE, THE SENATOR WHOSE SEAT WAS APPOINTED TO IN THE FIRST PLACE AND APPOINTED TO THAT VACANCY AND LEFT BY THAT APPOINTMENT AND I'M GUESSING WE'LL SEE THAT AGAIN AND USUALLY THE SUPERVISOR WHO REPRESENTS GETS TO MAKE THAT DECISION AND THE ONLY DEMOCRAT ON THE BOARD.

WE'LL SEE WHICH ONE IT IS.

>> WHEN THIS IS A VACANCY IN THE LEGISLATURE, THAT'S HOW IT HONORS THE INTENT OF THE VOTERS.

EVEN THOUGH IN DISTRICT 13, IF LIZ HARRIS DOESN'T GET REAPPOINTED, PEOPLE WON'T BE HAPPY.

>> Ted: MARY JO, YOU WROTE ABOUT THE FACT ON TAX FORMS, PEOPLE SAY WE'RE NOT SPENDING ENOUGH AND SOME FOLKS SAY, IF YOU THINK WE'RE SPENDING ENOUGH, YOU SPEND IT.

ARE PEOPLE DOING THAT?

>> IT'S BEEN 12 YEARS AND LET'S SEE HOW MUCH I DIDN'T PAY ENOUGH FUND, IT'S RAISED BY THE $187,000 AND NOW I'LL FORGET MY NUMBERS AND THAT WORKS OUT TO AN AVERAGE DONATION OF $36 PER PERSON WHO DARES OR CHOSE TO DO THIS OVER THE LAST 12 YEARS AND WON'T GET THE STATE OUT OF MY KIND OF BUDGET DURESS, BUT THIS IS AN OPTION IF YOU THINK THAT THEY'VE CUT TAXES TOO MUCH, YOU CAN GIVE BACK MORE.

>> Ted: I REMEMBER WHEN THAT WAS DISCUSSED, IT WAS A BIG DEAL.

>> I GOT AHOLD OF THE SENATOR JUDY BURGESS AND PEOPLE WILL COMPLAIN WE CUT TAXES TOO MUCH AND THEY DON'T WANT TO PAY MORE.

>> PEOPLE PAY WENDY ROGERS MILEAGE.

[ Laughter ] >> Ted: THAT'S IT FOR NOW AND I'M TED SIMONS, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.