>> Ted: NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON, THE JOURNALIST'S ROUNDTABLE AND WE LOOK AT THE EXPULSION OF A STATE LAWMAKER FROM THE ARIZONA HOUSE.

THE JOURNALIST'S ROUNDTABLE IS NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON."

GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

I'M TED SIMONS.

IT'S FRIDAY AND THAT MEANS IT'S TIME FOR THE JOURNALIST'S ROUNDTABLE.

WE HAVE HOW WRITEGOOD EVENING TO HAVE YOU ALL HERE.

WE'RE MISSING THE ROUNDTABLE.

HOWIE, WE'LL START WITH YOU.

A LAWMAKER GIVEN THE BOOT BY FELLOW LAWMAKERS.

>> WE WEREN'T SURE THAT WOULD HAPPEN AND IF YOU REMEMBER, IT WAS THE DEMOCRATS WHO SUGGESTED A CENSURE OF HARRIS AND SHE HAD ASKED FOR THIS HEARING ON ELECTION MATTERS AND SHE COORDINATED THE HEARING AND INVITED THE PEOPLE.

ONE OF THE PEOPLE CAME UP WITH OFF-THE-WALL THEORIES WITH EVERYBODY INCLUDING THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE, THE GOVERNOR, JUDGES, OTHER LAWMAKERS AND THE LDS CHURCH ARE INVOLVED IN A VAST CONSPIRACY IN A DRUG CARTEL AND LET HER GO ON FOR 40 MINUTES, LIZ NEVER CUT HER OFF.

THEY SAID, WAIT A SECOND, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.

IT'S IN THE HOUSE RULES AND YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO INFORM PEOPLE OF THE MATERIAL YOU'LL PRODUCE AND THAT YOU ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN AND YOU, IN FACT, ACTUALLY ASKED FOR IT TO HAPPEN.

AND THEN WHAT COMPLICATED MATTERS WHEN THE ETHIC'S COMMITTEE MET AND WHAT DID YOU KNOW AND KNOW IT UNTIL SHE CAME UP WITH TEXT MESSAGES THAT SHE DID KNOW.

>> Ted: THE COMMITTEE SAID AND AGREED THAT SHE TRIED TO HIDE WHAT SHE KNEW THIS SPEAKER WOULD SAY.

>> YEAH, BASED ON TEXT MESSAGES AND CONVERSATIONS SHE HAD AND ONE OF THEM, I THINK, WE TALKED ABOUT, SHE SAID, I DIDN'T THINK YOU WOULD GET SO FAR AND EXPECTED THEM TO CUT YOU OFF SOONER AND NO, I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING AND SHE VOTED AGAINST THE EXPULSION.

UP UNTIL THE VOTE, I WASN'T SURE THAT'S HOW THEY WOULD HANDLE IT BECAUSE IT'S A BIG DEAL.

>> Ted: YES.

>> AND THE REPUBLICANS LARGELY, LARGELY OPPOSED HER.

>> Ted: PICK THE CLAIM, PICK THE PREPOSTEROUS CLAIM AND WHICH IS THE ONE THAT SENT THIS OVER THE LINE?

>> WELL, I WOULD HAVE TO SAY ACCUSING THE HOUSE SPEAKER PROBABLY DIDN'T HELP A LOT.

YOU MIGHT NOTE THAT HE WAS THE PERSON THAT MADE THE MOTION TO GIVE HER THE BOOT.

I THINK IT'S INTERESTING TO LOOK AT HOW THE VOTE WENT, THOUGH.

THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO HAD HER BACK WAS LARGELY THE PEOPLE ON THE FAR RIGHT, THE ARIZONA FREEDOM CAUCUS AND YOU'LL SEE THREE VOTES IN THE FUTURE AND THEY GOT ROLLED ON THIS -- I DON'T WANT TO CALL THEM MODERATE AND WHAT I WOULD CALL ESTABLISHMENT REPUBLICANS TEAMED UP WITH THE DEMOCRATS HERE TO DO WHAT, IN MY VIEW, WAS THE ONLY THING THEY COULD DO IS BOUNCE HER.

YOU'LL SEE THE FREEDOM CAUCUS GET ROLLED CLOSER TO A BUDGET AND DECISIONS ON PROPERTY 400 AND ALL OF THESE OTHER ACTUAL WORK OF THE SESSION.

THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME WHERE YOU SAW THE MAINSTREAM PEOPLE SET ASIDE THE FAR RIGHT PEOPLE AND SAY, NO, WE'LL MOVE ON THIS.

>> THAT'S CRUCIAL.

YOU POINTED OUT THAT LAST YEAR THEY DID THAT WITH THE BUDGET WHEN THE NAYSAYERS AND FREEDOM CAUCUS SAID WE WON'T VOTE FOR ANYTHING BUT A SKINNY BUDGET AND RUSTY BOWERS SAID YOU DO REALIZE IF YOU DON'T GIVE ME A REPUBLICAN VOTE, I HAVE TO GO TO THE DEMOCRATS AND THAT WAS BEFORE WE HAD A DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR.

THE QUESTION IS, HOW LONG CAN THEY HOLD PEOPLE TOGETHER AND AT WHAT POINT DO THEY SAY THE HOUSE AND SENATE DEMOCRATIC LEADERS AND GOVERNOR, WHAT DO YOU WANT AND HOW DO WE GET THERE?

>> Ted: BACK TO LIZ HARRIS, REPORTERS CAUGHT HER IN THE PARKING LOT UNLOADING BOXES INTO HER CAR BECAUSE SHE'S OUT AND SHE SAID THE REPORT IS A LIE AND THAT GOD KNOWS THE TRUTH.

HER RESPONSE TO THE COMMITTEE, THIS KIND OF -- HER ACTIONS AND THE FACT, ANDDID THAT PLAY A PART?

>> IN THE EXPULSION?

>> Ted: YES.

>> I THINK IT COULD HAVE HELPED IF SHE SAID, I'M SO SORRY AND I DON'T THUNDERBAY WAS THE PLAN THINK SHE WAS SURPRISED OF THE PUSHBACK BASED ON THE TEXT MESSAGES AND ONCE SHE SAW THE DIRECTION IT WAS FOG, GOING, THAT WAS NEVER IN THE CARDS.

>> Ted: PUSHBACK IS ONE THING, HOWIE, BECAUSE THIS IS EXPULSION.

SOME SHE BELIEVED WHO THE SCOTTS DALESCOTTDALE LAWMAKER SAID, YOU'RE CHAIRING A COMMITTEE IS SOMETHING STANDING UP AND SAYS SOMETHING SLANDEROUS AND SHE EXPECTED THIS.

SHE CATERED THIS AND SHE DEFENDED IT AND THAT BECOMES THE ISSUE.

>> SHE DEFENDED IT AND TOOK STEPS TO COVER IT UP BY TELLING HER SPEAKER, YOU KNOW, IF YOU JUST BRING YOUR STUFF ON THE DAY OF, YOUR PRESENTATION, YOU WON'T HAVE TO HAVE IT CLEARED AND LIED ABOUT IT TO THE COMMITTEE.

AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S LIKE A BIG THREE RIGHT THERE.

>> LOOK, LET'S GO BACK TO NIXON, IT WASN'T WATERFATE WATERGATE THAT KILLED HIM BUT THE COVERUP.

>> SHE SAID IT'S BECAUSE I DIDN'T TOW THE LINE AND IF YOU DON'T TOW THE LINE, YOU GET THE BOOT.

AT FIRST YOU THINK TO YOURSELF, THAT'S A BIT OF A CONSPIRACY THEORY, DUH.

THAT'S WHAT THE PEOPLE ON THE FAR RIGHT, IS TRAFFICKING AND CONSPIRACY THEORIES AND I HAVE TO WONDER IF THAT'S RIGHT.

SHE TARGETED TOMA WHO WAS UMS UPSET WITH HER.

SHE SAID I'M NOT VOTING ON ANYTHING UNTIL I GET A NEW ELECTION.

THAT'S WHY WE HAD THIS HEARING IS BECAUSE SHE -- IN ORDER TO GET HER TO FINALLY VOTE FOR THE REPUBLICAN'S BUDGET WHICH WAS PROMPTLY VETOED, THIS WAS THE QUID PRO QUO.

SHE WAS DIFFICULT FOR THE LEADERSHIP TO WORK WITH AND THEREFORE, AN EASY TARGET.

CONTRAST THAT WITH SENATOR WENDY RODGERS.

HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE HEARD HER DEMAND WALKS.

WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANYBODY THROW HER OUT.

>> Ted: WE ALL KNOW THE LDS CHURCH IS INVOLVED WITH CARTEL BRIBERIES AND WHAT IS SHE TALKING ABOUT HERE, NOT TOWING THE LINE?

>> IF I ACCUSED MY SENATORS OF WORKING WITH THE CARTEL, I WOULD BE PACKING UP, TOO.

THIS IS PART OF A GIFT TO THE MODERATE REPUBLICANS, AND NOT SO MUCH FOR THE DEMOCRATS BECAUSE WITHOUT HARRIS, THEY CAN BRING IN SOMEONE MAYBE MORE WORKABLE?

>> Ted: YES, WHAT HAPPENS AS FAR AS REPLACEMENT, BUT WHAT DOES SHE MEAN TOWING THE LINE?

WAS THE SPEAKER INVOLVED?

>> I DON'T PLAY BY THEIR RULES AND I'M PART OF THE FAR RIGHT AND WE'RE THE PEOPLE WHO KNOW AND WE'RE ABOUT TO DRAIN THE LOCAL SWAMP.

I THINK IT'S MORE ALONG THOSE LINES.

THE OTHER THING THAT MIGHT HAVE MADE INTO THIS, THERE WAS SOME TAKE THAT THERE MIGHT BE A RECALL IN HER DISTRICT.

IF THERE HAD BEEN A RECALL, A REPUBLICAN WOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE GUARANTEED TO BE FILLING THAT SEAT IF ONE OF THE MORE COMPETITIVE DISTRICTS THAT WE HAVE.

BY DUMPING HER, THEY ASSURE THEMSELVES, THEY HAVE THE 31st REPUBLICAN VOTE SEASON UP.

>> Ted: BACK TO CAMERON'S POINT, THERE WILL BE A REPLACEMENT AND WE HAVE TO FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, WHO THE REPLACEMENT IS AND HOWIE, TALK TO US HOW THAT WORK AND HOW IT COULD BE A CURIOUS PROCESS.

[ Laughter ] >> IT'S ALL A CURIOUS PROCESS.

WELCOME TO THE ARIZONA LEGISLATURE.

STATE LAW SAYS THE PRECINCT COMMITTEE PEOPLE GET TOGETHER WITHIN FIVE DAY WHEN THE LEGISLATURE IS IN SESSION AND THEY COME UP WITH THREE NOMINEES AND WE'VE SEEN A BUNCH OF NAME AND ONE OF THE MORE INTERESTING ONES IS STEVE YARBOROUGH AND THE SUPERVISORS DON'T HAVE A DEADLINE TO ACT AND IT'S IN THEIR INTERESTS TO GET ANOTHER REPUBLICAN THERE.

THIS IS WHERE IT GETS CRITICAL, BECAUSE REMEMBER, THE SUPERVISORS WERE DEFENDING THIS PROCEDURE AND SAYING NOTHING WAS WRONG AND WHATEVER YOU SAY, LIZ, WENTTY AND THE REST OF THEM AND IN SO KEEN TO PUT IN ANOTHER NUT CASE AND THEY'LL WANT SOMEBODY WHO IS CONSIDERED LET'S MOVE ON FROM 2020 AND 2022.

>> Ted: THIS COULD WORK OUT WELL FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

>> I THINK SO, FINDING SOMEONE MORE MODERATE IS A LOW BAR.

[ Laughter ] >> ANOTHER NAME WAS JULIE WILLOBWBY.

AND YARBOROUGH WAS AROUND SINCE 2019 AND JUMPING BACK IN MAKES SENSE TEE WHAT.

>> Ted: WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THEY PUT HER NAME ON THE LIST?

>> WE WENT THROUGH THIS IN TENNESSEE WHERE THE SAME PEOPLE WERE OUSTED WERE BROUGHT BACK IN AND I DON'T KNOW THAT MUCH ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR DISTRICT AND PRECINCT COMMITTEE PEOPLE IN GENERAL ARE FAIRLY CONSERVATIVES AND IT'S THE KIND OF PEOPLE THAT ATTRACTED TO THOSE SORT VOLUNTEER OPPORTUNITIES AND IT WOULDN'T SURPRISE ME TO SEE LIZ HARRIS ON THE LIST.

SHE WOULD BE A TOTAL NO-GO FOR THE SUPERVISORS AND I'VE WONDERED MYSELF, WHAT IF THE THREE NAMES WERE LIZ, LIZ, AND LIZ?

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE LAW SAYS YOU MUST SUBMIT THREE NAMES OR HAVE THREE INDIVIDUALS.

IT'S INTERESTING THEY COULD BOX THE SUPERVISOR.

>> YOU'RE JUST YOU CAUSING TROUBLE HERE, MY DEAR.

[ Laughter ] >> Ted: I LOVE THE IDEA.

CAN'T WAIT TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

>> YOU KNOW WHAT WOULD BE INTERESTING IF THE SUPERVISORS DON'T HAVE A DEADLINE UPON WHICH THEY MUST MAKE THIS AND WE'LL GET AROUND TO NAMING SOMEONE, OH, IN A YEAR OR SO, WHICH WOULD COST THE REPUBLICANS AND LEGISLATURE THEIR 31st VOTE.

>> LET ME GO DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE FURTHER.

THEY SAY BILLS NEED A MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE IN THE CHAMBER TO PASS, WHICH HAS BEEN 31.

IF THERE WERE ONLY 59 IN THE CHAMBER, ONLY 59 SEATS, THERE'S SOME PEOPLE SAYING, WELL, COULD 30 BE ENOUGH TO GET YOU YOUR MAJORITY AND YOU DON'T NEED THAT 31st VOTE.

THAT'S THE NEXT THING, SOMEBODY WILL APPROACH A LAWYER AND SAY, WELL, COULD YOU SQUINT AT THE CONSTITUTION THIS WAY.

>> Ted: THAT TERM DOESN'T END UNTIL WHAT, 2025 -- I'M SORRY, 2024?

>> YES.

>> Ted: I THINK JANUARY OF 2024.

>> EXACTLY.

>> Ted: SO YOU COULD SIT AROUND THIS QUITE AWHILE, COULDN'T YOU?

>> THEY MIGHT NOT GET AROUND TO IT.

>> Ted: HOW DOES THIS CHANGE THE DYNAMICS, HOWIE?

THEY'RE ON SPRING BREAK RIGHT NOW.

>> THE LEGISLATURE HAS GONE WILD TO DAYTONA BEACH.

>> I HOPE YOU'RE WRONG.

>> THE ISSUE BECOMES THAT THEY'LL HAVE TO TAKE A BREAK ANYWAY AND THEY'RE RUNNING OUT OF BILLS AND REMEMBER, THE 100th DAY OF THE SESSION, THAT'S LIKE NEXT WEEK.

AND THEY DON'T HAVE A BUDGET.

AND SO THERE'S NO REASON TO KEEP EVERYONE AROUND.

IF YOU LET LAWMAKERS COME IN AND THE DEVIL'S PLAYGROUND, COULD YOU IMAGINE?

LET'S JUST SEND EVERYONE HOME NOT UNTIL THIS TUESDAY AND THE FOLLOWING TUESDAY AND THE ADULTS IN THE ROOM CAN COME TOGETHER AND MAYBE COME UP WITH A BUDGET.

>> I WOULD NOTE THAT HARRIS IS NOT THE ONLY ONE WE'RE MISSING AND TEYRAN LEFT AND THERE'S TWO TO REPLACE.

>> BUT SHE'S A DEMOCRAT.

IT DOESN'T MATTER.

[ Laughter ] >> Ted: PROBABLY GETTING THAT PROCESS DONE QUICKER.

>> WHAT I SAID EARLIER IS THAT THE 13 REPUBLICANS WHO SIDED WITH HER, THE FAR RIGHT GROUP HAVE NOW SEPARATED THEMSELVES AND NOW YOU'LL HAVE LEADERSHIP GO INTO FIERCE NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE GOVERNOR AND THE OTHER DEMOCRATS AND I THINK THIS WEEK MARK THE BEGINNING OF THE SCHISM FOR THE REPUBLICANS WE'VE KNOWN WAS INEVITABLE AND WHO KNEW LIZ HAIRIEST WOULD BEHAIR HARRIS WOULD BE THE CAUSE.

>> Ted: DID THEY VOTE ANGRILY NO?

>> IT'S HARD TO SAY.

>> OTHER THAN Mr. CAULODIN.

SHOULDN'T BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT SOMEONE ELSE.

THAT YOU MAKE A MARTYR OUT OF HER AND GIVEN HER COMMENTS IN THE PARKING HOT, WE KNOW PARKING LOT, SHE'S NOT GOING AWAY AND SHE'LL BE THE KARI LAKE OF THE SLUR LEGISLATURE.

JOSEPH CHAPLICK WHICH CAME UP WITH THE UNANIMOUS FINDINGS DID VOTE NO AND MADE A GENETIC STATEMENT AND WE DIDN'T MAKE THE DECISION.

THE ENTIRE LEGISLATURE DID.

>> ECHOING ABOUT TOWING THE LINE AND JUST JUST SHOW, YOU CAN'T ROCK THE BOAT AND IF YOU ROCK THE BOAT, YOU'LL BE THROWN OUT OF THE LEGISLATURE AND PLAYING THAT FAR RIDE CROWD THAT RIGHT CROWD THAT IS FURIOUS AND I SAW JOSEPH CHAPLICKK AND AND HE WAS PUTTING OUT A PLEA TO READ THE REPORT, PLEASE, BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE ARE RAPED OVER THE COALS NOW FOR THE DECISIONS THAT WERE MADE.

>> Ted: THE SCHISM BECAUSE A CASMENT IN NO TIME.

LET'S TALK ABOUT THE GOVERNOR AND VETOES.

>> 48.

HAVE WE HAD MORE SIGNINGS THAN VETOES?

>> THEY JUST CAME UP TO THAT.

TEE THERE >> Ted: IF YOU SELL FENTANYL TOMAN WHO DIES.

TO SOMEONE WHO DIES.

>> KNOWING THEY'RE BREAKING THE LAW AND WE WHO BE PROTECTING GOOD AMERICAS AND CURBING THIS PROBLEM.

THAT'S BEEN A COMMON BILLS AND THE DEMOCRATS OPPOSED AND REPUBLICANS ARE FRUSTRATED AND THEY SAY THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY.

>> LET ME GO A STEP BEYOND.

MANY BILLS VETOED, PHILOSOPHY ASIDE WERE BADLY FLAWED BILLS.

WOULD THEY INTERFERE WITH THE GOOD SAMARITAN BILL IF YOU CALL FOR HELP BECAUSE SOMEBODY IS DYING OF OFFER OVERDOSE, YOU WON'T GET ARRESTED.

UNDER NORM EQUAL CIRCUMSTANCES, THE MAJORITY WOULD GO AND WORK THE BILL, MASSAGE IT AND TAKE OUT THE BAD PARTS, FIX IT AND SAY, WELL, MAYBE THIS ISN'T READY FOR PRIME TIME.

NOW, A LOT OF REPUBLICANS SAY, LET'S SEND IT TO THE GOVERNOR.

WE KNOW SHE'LL VETO AND NO HARM, NO FOUL.

THERE'S A CRAZY BILL AND GREAT, LET'S DO THAT.

WE KNOW IT'S NOT GOING TO BE LAW.

>> Ted: HER VETO LETTERS AND THE WORD "UNNECESSARY" SEEMS LIKE IN HALF OF THE VETO LET ES.

LETTERS.

>> CONTRARY TO PUBLIC POLICY AND WORKS AGAINST THINGS AND HERE IS THE THING, THE ONLY REASON FOR RETOEFORVETOVETO LETTERS, THE CONSTITUTION REQUIRES.

AND THEY SAID WE SHOULD WORK TOGETHER, WORKING TO ADVANCING ARIZONA AND SHE'S LAYING DOWN AND SAYING HERE IS WHAT I WANT.

>> Ted: WE MENTIONED THE FENTANYL BILL AND THIS WAS A PARTY LINE VOTE, I GUESS, AND DEMOCRATS SAID THIS WAS A STATEMENT PIECE AND THE REPUBLICANS CAME BACK AND YOU WROTE ABOUT THIS.

>> THE BILL -- I LOOKED AT IT BECAUSE THE REPUBLICANS PUT OUT ALL OF THESE TWEETS, FOUR OR FIVE OF THEM.

I WILL SAY, CONVEY, ATTACKING THE DEMOCRATS AND CRITICIZING THEM AND US REPUBLICANS, WE STOOD TOUGH ON FENTANYL AND THE DEMOCRATS SUPPORTED THE DRUG CARTELS.

GOODNESS, LET'S LOOK AT THE BILLS AND ESPECIALLY THEY CALLED OUT SENATOR KRISTINE MARSH, WHO AS YOU KNOW, AND THEY KNOW, HER SON DIED OF AN OVERDECEMBER, AN OVERDOSE, AN ACCIDENTAL OVERDOSE AND THAT SHE IS WORKING TO SUPPORT THE CARTEL BECAUSE SHE WANTS TO BE SOFT ON FENTANYL IS, FRANKLY, INSULTING.

BUT WHAT THE BILL BASICALLY DOES, IT DECLARES THERE'S A PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS AS A RESULT OF FENTANYL ACROSS THE BORDER, WHICH WE CAN ALL AGREE ON THAT.

IT GOES ON TO SAY THAT WE ARE REQUIRING THE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH DHS SERVICES TO DO EVERYTHING NEAR POWER TO COMBAT THE PROBLEM.

DHS IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT LICENSES HOSPITALS AND NURSING HOMES.

WHAT WILL YOU HAVE THEM DO TO BOMB THE CARTELS.

IT DIDN'T SAY WHAT THEY HAD TO DO OR GIVE THEM ANY MONEY THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO AND IT'S A STATEMENT BILL TO LOOK AT US, WE'RE TOUGH ON FENTANYL AND DEMOCRATS ARE NOT.

>> THAT FALLS BACK IN THE SAME CATEGORY, THEY WANTED TO WORK WITH DEMOCRATS WITH BORDER STRIKE FORCE AND REORGANIZING THAT, WHETHER IT HAS TO DO WITH PREVENTATIVE AND NARCAN.

THERE ARE WAYS OF DOING THINGS AND OH, LET'S JUST SEND IT TO HER.

>> Ted: DEMOCRATS ARE LEAGUE WITH THE SOLIS DRUG CARTELS IN AMERICA'S YOUTH.

>> OUCH!

[ Laughter ] >> WELL, YOU KNOW, I ONE OF THOSE BILLS IF IT DID PASS, THE DEMOCRATS WOULD BE LITERALLY FINE AND IF IT DIES, IT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING BECAUSE THE BILL NEVER DID ANYTHING IN THE FIRST PLACE, BUT IT IS UNFORTUNATE THAT THEY'RE FIGHTING SO MUCH AND AS USUAL, THIS SESSION, TAUNTING, IMPUGNING AND NAME CALLING.

>> Ted: DIDN'T THIS EMPHASIZE SOVEREIGN AUTHORITY?

>> THERE'S ANOTHER BILL THAT GOT OUT THAT SAYS, WE'RE EXERCISING EXERCISING SOVEREIGN AUTHORITY AND 100 TAX ON GUNS AND BASED ON THIS, WE WILL NOT ALLOW THAT TAX TO BE COLLECTED HERE IN ARIZONA.

IT'S A BILL THAT'S GOING NOWHERE AND WE'RE ASSERTING OUR SOVEREIGN TENTH AMENDMENT AUTHORITY AND MESSAGE, NOT ENFORCEABLE IF YOU BELIEVE THE PREMISE OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

>> THEY'RE HAVING THESE BILLS WHERE THEY'RE ASSERTING THE SOVEREIGN AUTHORITY AND SAID THEY HAVE THAT AUTHORITY AND THEY DON'T NEED IT IN A BILL ANYWAY.

I THINK THE REAL POINT OF THIS TO BUILD A RESUME FOR REELECTION AND DEMOCRATS, THE REASON TO THE TO BE ELECTED.

THERE'S A CLOSE LEGISLATURE, A ONE VOTE MAJORITY AND WHEN THE LEGISLATURE IS FULL, THE ONE VOTE MAJORITY NEXT YEAR WILL BE A HUGE YEAR.

THE GOVERNOR HAS ALREADY SAID SHE'LL TRY TO FLIP THE LEGISLATURE AND THEY'RE CREATING A LIST OF BILLS.

THEY STOOD WITH THE DRUG CARTELS AND WE DIDN'T.

>> Ted: BACK TO MARSH, COSTING LIVES AND WE KNOW ABOUT HER BACKGROUND AND SHE'S SENT UP LEGISLATION AND HASN'T SHE TRIED TO GET BILLS REGARDING FENTANYL?

>> SHE HAS A BILL THIS YEAR AND SEVERAL, BUT THE ONE THAT STUCK OUT TO ME WAS A WILL THAT WOULD APPROPRIATATE $30,000 TO BUY AND DISTRIBUTE FENTANYL STRIPS ON COLLEGE CAMPUSES.

HER SON AT THE TIME OF HIS DEATH WAS A NSU STUDENT AND IT WOULD PUT IT OUT THERE TO TEST THESE PILLS.

IT'S A PILL HE WENT TO TAKE WAS A PAIN RELIEVER AND LACED WITH FENTANYL.

ACCORDING TO HER, HE HAD NO IDEA IT WAS THERE AND OVERDOSED.

THAT WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE AS OPPOSED TO THIS AND DHS WILL TAKE ON THE DRUG CARTELS.

CAN YOU SEE THAT?

>> Ted: THERE'S A BILL BOOSTING TEACHER PAY, LIKE $10,000 OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS TO TEACHERS AND REPUBLICANS SAYING LOOK AT DEMOCRATS, THEY DON'T SUPPORT THIS EITHER, THEY DON'T SUPPORT TEACHERS.

>> IT'S NOT VETOED YET AND MAY BE, POSSIBLY, PROBABLY.

I MEAN BE THIS HAS BEEN THE SUBJECT OF A LOT OF DEBATE.

WHEN HE WAS TALKING ABOUT IT, OH, HOW NICE, SOMETHING BIPARTISAN AND THAT'S NOT HOW THAT WENT DOWN AND DEMOCRATS SAID THE WAY IT WAS CRAFTED, NOT THE SUSTAINABLE, YOU KNOW, SALARY INCREASE FOR TEACHERS AND IT MAKES SENSE AND IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT, WE SHOULD WORKSHOP IT BETTER AND MORK OF MORE OF A STATEMENT.

>> THE BILL SAYS WE'LL PROVIDE ENOUGH MONEY FOR TWO YEARS TO PROVIDE A $10,000 RAISE OVER THE SECOND YEAR FOR ALL TEACHERS.

IT LEFT OUT SPECIAL ED TEACHERS AND FRINGE BENEFITS THAT'S 18% OF IT AND THE REAL ISSUE IS, SO WHAT HAPPENS IN FY 2027, DO WE CUT BACK THE PAY AND IT'S WORDED TO SAY YOU CANNOT REDUCE THE PAY AND A $7 MILLION OBLIGATION ON SCHOOLS IN AN AGGREGATE EXPENDITURE THAT DOESN'T LET THEM SPEND IT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

>> I KIND OF AGREE WITH THE REPUBLICANS AND I CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHY THE DEMOCRATS ARE FINDING EVERY REASON IN THE WORLD TO OPPOSE THIS AS OPPOSED TO SENDING IN THEIR GOVERNOR TO SHOW A LITTLE LEADERSHIP AND SAY WE CAN AGREE THAT WE LIKE THE IDEA OF GIVING TEACHERS A RAISE.

LET'S NEGOTIATE A DEAL SINCE THE REPUBLICANS HAVE TO KNOW THIS BILL WILL BE VETOED IF THEY DON'T WORK WITH US AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT DOES WORK.

THERE'S A REASON WHY THE MONEY IS SEPARATE AND IT'S BECAUSE THE 20 BY 20 PLAN, SOME OF THE MONEY WAS DIVERTED AWAY FROM TEACHERS UNDER DUCEY AND THEY'RE TRYING TO CREATE A SYSTEM APART FROM THAT.

IF, IN FACT, THERE'S NO MONEY AFTER 2025, WORK ON THAT AND BUILD IN FLEXIBILITY.

I IMAGINE IF YOU ASK MOST TEACHERS, WE HAVE THIS CRITICAL SHORTAGE OF TEACHERS AND TURNING UP THEIR NOSE AT TEN THOUSAND BUCKS.

>> YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT AND I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU FIX IT.

THERE IS A WAY TO PUT IT INTO THE BASE AND SO, THEN IT BECOMES MANDATORY, BUT THEN, ONCE YOU PUT IT IN THE BASE, WE'RE DOWN TO THE PROBLEM WITH 20 BY 2020, WHICH IS HOW DO YOU ENSURE IT GOES TO TEACHERS?

THERE'S A WAY OF BUILDING THIS AND THE GOVERNOR AND THE DEMOCRATS HAVE SAID, OH, NO, WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR THAT AND WE LIKE SOMETHING ELSE.

>> Ted: THE POINT YOU MENTIONED THAT REPUBLICANS HAVE TO KNOW THIS WILL GET VETOED AND IF REPUBLICANS KNOW THIS WILL BE VETOED, WILL THEY NOT SAY, LOOK WHAT SHE DID?

>> OH, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

>> AGAIN, WHETHER IS THE LEADERSHIP FROM THE GOVERNOR?

SHE SHOULD SAY, WE HAVE THE SPARK OF A GOOD IDEA AND WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON IT AND WORK ON IT IN A PUBLIC FASHION AND BUILD SUPPORT FOR SOME MIDDLE GROUND BILL.

I THINK THAT YOU COULD BUILD IN FLEXIBILITY TO SAY IN THE EVENT OF A DOWNTURN IN BUDGET CUTS, WE ALLOW YOU TO CUT THIS DOWN.

WHAT LEGISLATURE WILL CUT TEACHER PAY?

>> THE PROBABLY STARTS AT THE NINTH FLOOR.

IT'S AMATEUR HOUR IN SOME WAYS AND THEY'RE GETTING THEIR FEET AND NEW COMMUNICATION'S DIRECTOR LAST WEEK.

TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT MESSAGE TO GIVE.

>> Ted: OUR MESSAGE IS, WE'RE OUT OF TIME AND THANKS FOR JOINING US.

I'M TED SIMONS AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GOOD WEEKEND.