>>> COMING UP IN THE NEXT HOUR OF LOCAL NEWS ON ARIZONA PBS, ON ARIZONA HORIZON, THE JOURNALISTS' ROUNDTABLE LOOKS AT QUESTION SURROUNDING THE STATE SENATE'S OFFICE OF MARICOPA COUNTY'S NOVEMBER PRESIDENTIAL VOTES.

>>> LOCAL TEACHERS TALKING ABOUT THE STRUGGLES, TRIUMPHS, AND OPPORTUNITIES INVOLVED WITH REMOTE TEACHING.

>>> AND ON BREAK IT DOWN, THE HISTORICAL CONTEXT OF THE U.S.

CITIZENSHIP TEST.

THAT'S ALL COMING UP IN THE NEXT HOUR ON ARIZONA PBS.

>>> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

I'M TED SIMONS.

A CHANDLER POLICE OFFICER WAS KILLED AND A GILBERT OFFICER CRITICALLY WOUNDED AFTER BEING HIT BY A SUSPECT IN A STOLEN VEHICLE LAST NIGHT.

GOVERNOR DUCEY TODAY ORDERED FLAGS AT HALF-STAFF TO HONOR CHRISTOPHER FERRARE, WHO WAS KILLED AFTER A POLICE CHASE THAT BEGAN IN ELOY AND INVOLVED MULTIPLE AGENCIES.

HE WAS AN 18-YEAR VETERAN OF THE CHANDLER POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THE SUSPECT IS IN CUSTODY AND REPORTED TO HAVE NONLIFE-THREATENING INJURIES.

>>> THE STATE SENATE'S AUDIT OF MARICOPA COUNTY'S PRESIDENTIAL VOTES FROM NOVEMBER CONTINUES.

AMONG TODAY'S REVELATIONS, PRO-TRUMP CONCONSPIRACYIST WAS AMONG THOSE REVIEWING BALLOTS.

HE WAS SPOTTED REVIEWS BALLOTS-- REVIEWING BALLOTS BY A LOCAL POOL REPORTER WHO TWEETED THE INFORMATION WITH A PHOTO.

THAT REPORTER WAS ESCORTED BY SECURITY AND HAD HIS REPORTING PRIVILEGES REVOKED.

>>> ALSO OF NOTE, A NUMBER OF VOTING MACHINES WERE REMOVED TODAY.

NO REASON WAS GIVEN, BUT MARICOPA COUNTY ELECTIONS OFFICIALS SAY THAT THE MACHINES WILL NOW LIKELY NEED TO BE RECERTIFIED TO BE USED IN FUTURE ELECTIONS.

>>> TODAY'S COVID REPORT SHOWS HOSPITALIZATIONS HOLDING STEADY WITH A SLIGHT DROP IN COVID INPATIENT BEDS IN USE.

NO CHANGE IN ICU BEDS AND A SLIGHT DROP IN EMERGENCY ROOM VISITS.

THE STATE REPORTED 844 NEW CASES OF COVID TODAY.

ABOUT 100 CASES HIGHER THAN THE SEVEN-DAY AVERAGE, BUT FAR BELOW PEAK HIGHS EARLIER IN THE YEAR THERE.

WERE 19 COAST-RELATED FATALITIES CERTIFIED TODAY, FAR BELOW THE PEAK LEVELS.

BUT THE STATE HAS THE SECOND EYEST WEEKLY AVERAGE DEATH RATE IN THE COUNTRY.

>>> AMAZON'S FIRST QUARTER PROFITS ARE IN AND THEY CRUSHED EXPECTATIONS.

AMAZON REPORTED NET SALES OF $108BILLION.

THAT TRANSLATES TO $8.1BILLION IN QUARTERLY NET INCOME AND THAT'S UP 224% FROM LAST YEAR.

AMAZON JOINS APPLE AND FACEBOOK AS TECH COMPANIES BENEFITING FROM COVID LOCKDOWNS THAT ARE JUST NOW BEGINNING LIFTED.

>>> DISNEYLAND RE-OPENED TODAY.

GUESTS WERE WELCOMED BACK FOR THE FIRST TIME.

THE PARK IS OPEN AT JUST 25% CAPACITY.

THAT'S DUE TO CALIFORNIA REGULATIONS.

PARK OFFICIALS SAY THAT ENHANCED PHYSICIAN DISTANCING IS IN PLACE AND MASKS ARE REQUIRED FOR ALL GUESTS.

>>> AND THIS IS WHAT A SUNNY DAY ON MARS LOOKS LIKE.

THE VIDEO IS FROM THE HISTORIC FIRST FLIGHT OF NASA'S INGENUITY HELICOPTER.

IT HAS SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED THREE TEST FLIGHTS AND SO TODAY NASA ANNOUNCED THAT IT HAS GRADUATED OUT OF ITS TESTING AND WILL CONDUCT MORE AMBITIOUS MISSIONS FOR THE NEXT MONTH AND POSSIBLY LONGER.

>>> TIME FOR THE JOURNALISTS' ROUND TABLE.

THE STATE SENATE'S RECOUNT OF THE PRESIDENTIAL VOTE CONTINUES AND THE GOVERNOR SIGNS A CONTROVERSY ANTIABORTION BILL.

ANDREW OBJECTION FORD AND STEVE GOLDSTEIN.

AND GENTLEMEN, GOOD TO HAVE YOU BOTH HERE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

LET'S GET A START ON ANDREW.

THE ELECTION AUDIT OBSERVERS, OBSERVERS ARE NOW ON SITE WHICH IS-- NOT JUST THE PRESS, WHICH IS KIND OF ON SITE.

WE'LL GET TO THAT IN A SECOND.

BUT SOUNDS LIKE THE SECRETARY OF STATE HAS WORKED OUT A DEAL WITH THE AUDIT TEAM TO DO WHAT?

>> RIGHT.

THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S OFFICE HAS REACHED AN AGREEMENT TO HAVE ITS OBSERVERS THERE.

THEY WERE-- OBSERVERS THERE.

THEY WERE ALSO ABLE TO SEND AN EXPERT IN ELECTION MACHINES TO THE SITE ON THURSDAY.

SO WE ARE BEING ABLE TO SEE MORE OF THE PROCESS AND OTHER PEOPLE INVOLVED ARE ABLE TO SEE MORE OF THIS.

BUT THAT'S ALWAYS-- ALWAYS A LITTLE TENTATIVE.

>> STEVE-- TENTATIVE.

>> STEVE, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE STILL NOT SEEING EVERYTHING WE SHOULD BE SEEING CONSIDERING THE SERIOUS NATURE OF THIS EFFORT?

>> FROM THE BEGINNING, THE PROCESS HAS CONCERNED A LOT OF PEOPLE, IN PART BECAUSE THE ELECTION WAS DECIDED.

WHAT ARE WE AT, FIVE, ALMOST SIX MONTHS AGO, BUT ALSO BECAUSE IT ALMOST SEEMED TO A NUMBER OF PEOPLE, A LOT, THAT THE STATE SENATE DIDN'T ACTUALLY EXPECT A VICTORY HERE AND YET THEY DID, SO ONCE THEY GOT IT THEY WEREN'T SURE WHAT TO DO.

AND THERE'S THE CONTROVERSY OVER CYBER NINJA.

WHEN YOU START OFF WITH ALL OF THAT, IT'S ALMOST AS THOUGH, YES, THERE ISN'T ANY TRANSPARENCY.

HOW MUCH OF THAT IS INTENTIONAL AND HOW MUCH OF THAT IS JUST MAYBE IN OVER THEIR HEADS?

>> AND ANDREW, LET'S TALK ABOUT PRESS ACCESS HERE BECAUSE THERE WAS A DEAL THERE STRUCK AS WELL.

HOW CLOSELY IS THE PRESS WATCHING?

YOU'VE BEEN DOWN THERE.

DESCRIBE THE SCENE.

TAKE US THERE AND TELL US WHAT YOU CAN DO AND WHAT YOU CAN'T DO.

>> THE PRESS ARE UP IN THE STANDS.

SO THE VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM.

THIS COUNTING IS HAPPENING DOWN ON THE FLOOR.

AND REPORTERS ARE UP IN THE SEATS.

WE KIND OF WORKED OUT A POOL SYSTEM AMONG A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT OUTLETS SO SOMEONE FROM THE REPUBLIC AND K TAR AND SOMEONE FROM A PHOTOGRAPHER GO IN THE MORNING AND THEN A DIFFERENT CREW GOES IN IN THE AFTERNOON.

AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO SEE WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE AT HOME CAN SEE IF THEY'RE WATCHING ON-- WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO SEE MORE.

FOR EXAMPLE, I HAD A COLLEAGUE THIS MORNING WHO WAS ABLE TO RECOGNIZE SOME OF THE PEOPLE WORKING ON THE COUNT.

FORMER STATE REPRESENTATIVE ANTHONY KERN WHO'S ACTUALLY ON THE BALLOT WAS THERE WORKING AS A COUNTER.

AND I THINK THAT'S THE KINDS OF THING WE WERE ABLE TO PICK UP BY BEING IN THE ROOM.

>> REAL QUICKLY, THE REPORTER THAT PICKED THAT UP TWEETED OUT THAT, YEAH, THERE HE IS, THE FORMER LAWMAKERS, AND HE WAS ESCORTED OUT OF THE COLISEUM?

DO WE KNOW WHY?

>> THE SENATE SAID THAT THE AGREEMENT WITH US AS REPORTERS IS THAT WE WOULD NOT SHARE PHOTOS THAT INCLUDED-- OAR IN WHICH BALLOTS WERE VISIBLE.

THE AGREEMENT WAS THAT WE WOULD NOT USE PHOTOGRAPHS IN WHICH THERE'S DISCERNIBLE INFORMATION ON BALLOTS VISIBLE.

AND IN THE PHOTO THAT WE SHARED OF ANTHONY KERN AND THERE'S A BALLOT BEING PROPPED UP IN THE SCENE, YOU COULDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT WAS ACTUALLY ON THE BALLOT REALLY.

BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF THE WAY IT'S BEEN.

WE'VE SEEN THIS SORT OF RULES-- WE'RE KIND OF FIGURING THEM OUT ON THE FLY, RIGHT?

AND SO YOU KNOW, THAT WAS-- I THINK THE SENATE PRESIDENT MADE A POINT HOWE WITH WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO SHOW PEOPLE'S FACES WORKING IN THE PROCESS.

I DON'T THINK WE EVER AGREED TO THAT.

THAT'S NOT OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE AGREEMENT.

AND I THINK IT IS THE PUBLIC'S BUSINESS IF A CANDIDATE FOR OFFICES IS ACTUALLY INVOLVED IN COUNTING THE BALLOTS THAT HE'S ON.

>> ESPECIALLY IF THAT CANDIDATE WAS IN WASHINGTON ON JANUARY 6th AND WHO HAS ESPOUSED NEAR YEARS THAT THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN FROM DONALD TRUMP.

STEVE, PEOPLE-- PEOPLE LAUGHED US ON SOME SIDE AND PEOPLE ARE OVERLY SERIOUS ON THE OTHER.

WHAT ARE WE MAKING UP THIS?

>> I SPOKE EARLIER TODAY WITH LIZ HOWARD, THE BRENNAN CENTER, WHO HAS BEEN IN EFFECT WITH SECRETARY OF STATE HOBBS AS SHE'S GOING TO BE HERE AS AN OBSERVER.

AND SHE, HER GROUP, HER ORGANIZATION WAS AMONG MANY THAT SENT A LETTER TO THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE SAYING WE NEED FEDERAL ACTION ON THIS.

WE NEED FEDERAL OBSERVERS THAT FIGURE-- TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.

AND I THINK IN ESSENCE IT'S TO CLEAR THAT THIS IS NOT HOW THE PROCESS IS SUPPOSED TO WORK.

YOU HAVE PROFESSIONAL ELECTION OFFICIALS WHO KNOW HOW TO DO THIS.

WHETHER THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BRING A BLUE PEN OR A RED PEN IN ORDER TO GO OVER BALLOTS BECAUSE YOU DONALD WANT TO LEAVE A MARK THAT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THERE.

IT'S BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A SERIOUS TOPIC, IT'S HARD TO LAUGH OFF BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS PRESS TEEN PART OF BEING AN AMERICAN-- PRISTINE PART OF BEING AN AMERICAN, THE RIGHT TO EL VO, AND THE ABSURD HE-- ABSURDITY.

PEOPLE WHO WANT TO VOTE, THAT'S VERY SCARY.

>> OR MORE ELECTIONS BEING CHALLENGED BY THE LOSING SIDE.

SOMEONE WAS GOING TO SAY THERE WAS SOME SORT OF CHICANERY GOING ON.

>> THAT'S THE CONCERN, THEY WORRY THAT THIS DOES A KIND OF LONG-TERM DAMAGE TO VOTERS' TRUST.

WHEN VOTERS PUT THEIR PETITION IN THE MAIL OR DROP IT OFF OR WHEN THEY GO TO A POLLING PLACE, THEY KNOW THEIR BALLOT IS GOING TO THE COUNTY.

THEY PROBABLY DIDN'T EXPECT IT WOULD END UP IN THE HANDS OF CYBER NINJAS OR SOME COMPANY FROM FLORIDA.

SO I'VE HEARD FROM A LOT OF OFFICIALS AND ELECTION ADMINISTRATORS WHO WORRY ABOUT THE LONG-TERM TRUST IN THE ELECTION PROCESS HERE.

>> STEVE, COUPLE OF COURT DECISIONS THIS WEEK.

NO TEMPORARY RESTRAINING ORDER, SO THAT'S WHY IT CONTINUES TO GO ON.

AND CYBER NINJAS CAN'T KEEP ALL UNIVERSITY DOCUMENTS SECRET.

ALTHOUGH IT SOUNDS ALL THE DOCUMENTS HAVE BEEN RELEASED, STEVE?

>> THAT'S WHERE THOSE STILL A QUESTION.

THERE WAS AT LEAST ONE-- ONE DOCUMENT THAT CYBER NINJAS WAS NOT THRILLED WITH ADVANTAGE.

SO THAT'S GOT ATTORNEYS-- HAVING.

THAT'S GOT ATTORNEYS SAYING WHAT IS TRUE TRANSPARENCY AND IF YOU BELIEVE IN THIS PROCESS AND YOU'RE GOING ABOUT IT IN A WAY TO TRUST, THAT CONCERNS PEOPLE.

AND WE KNOW THE FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE HAS MADE SOME COMMENTS THAT SEEMED VERY INCONSISTENT WITH THE IDEA OF TRANSPAIRNLS L HE'S HOLDING PRESS CONFERENCES OR WHETHER HE'S SAYING HE'S NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT THE PROCESS IS SUPPOSED TO BE HIMSELF.

AND THERE'S OBVIOUSLY MORE TO COME WHEN IT COMES TO THE COURT HEARINGS.

BUT I CAN'T IMAGINE PEOPLE ON THE SIDE OF THE CONCERN OVER THE AUDIT OR-- ARE REAL SATISFIED WITH WHAT'S HAPPENED SO FOR.

>> THESE WITH MY QUESTIONS, THESE ARE QUESTIONS FROM THE VIEWERS.

LIGHTNING ROUND, YOU READY?

>> I'M BETTER.

>> DO WE KNOW ANY BETTER WHO IS FUNDING THIS AUDIT?

>> NOT REALLY.

THERE ARE PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE OPENLY FUND-RAISING SAYING IF YOU DON'TANE-- IF YOU DONATE MONEY TO US, IT WILL HELP PAY FOR THIS ALL THE.

WE MAY NOT KNOW THAT FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

WE MAY NEVER KNOW.

THERE IS ONE GROUP THAT IS POPPED UP CALLED FUND THE AUDIT.COM.

THEY'RE OPENLY RAISING MONEY FOR THIS.

AND WE KNOW IT WAS FOUNDED BY THE FORMER C.E.O.

OF OVERSTOCK.COM, PAT TRICK BURN.

HE SAID THAT HE PUT AMILLION DOLLARS INTO THIS EFFORT.

BUT THEY HAVE A GOAL OF OVER $2MILLION, WHICH IS A LOT MORE THAN THE $150,000 CONTRACT THAT'S BEEN SIGNED.

>> THAT LEADS TO MY NEXT QUESTION.

DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY CYBERNINGAS IS MAKING FROM THIS-- ZIP CYBER NINJAS IS MAKING.

>> WHETHER THE ORGANIZATIONS PAY THAT COMPANY MONEY, WE DON'T KNOW.

>> WE KNOW THERE'S AMILLION DOLLARS FLOATING AROUND SOMEWHERE FROM A FORMER C.E.O.

OF OVERSTOCK.

DO WE KNOW ANY BETTER WHY CYBERNINJAS-- CYBER NICKAS OF ALL COMPANIES WAS CHOSEN TO LEAD THIS EFFORT?

>> NO.

AND THAT DOES REMAIN A MYSTERY.

WE DO KNOW THAT THERE WERE OTHER COMPANIES-- A COMPANY THAT HANDLES ELECTION WORK THAT WAS INTERESTED IN THIS OR OPEN TO DOING THIS.

WASN'T CHOSEN.

SO MYSTERY THERE, TOO.

>> LAST QUESTION AND STEVE, THEN WE'LL LET YOU GIVE A CHANCE TO BUZZ IN HERE.

[LAUGHTER] >> ARE WE STILL GONNA HAVE CROSS-CHECKING OF BALLOTS AND IS THAT GOING TO-- I MEAN, ARE THE PLANS STILL IN PLACE FOR THEM TO KNOCK ON DOORS AND GO TO RESIDENCES?

>> WHEN THE C.E.O.

OF CYBER NINJAS TALKED TO REPORTERS LAST WEEK, HE EXPLAINED THERE WOULD BE A CANVASSING PROCESS.

THEY WOULD BE KNOCKING ON PEOPLE'S DOORS AND ASKING THEM IF THEY VOTED.

THEY WOULDN'T ASK WHETHER THEY VOTED BUT THAT DOES NOT ALLAY THE CONCERNS OF CIVIL ROUTES GROUPS WHO SAY THIS IS VOTER INTIMIDATION.

AND HOW THEY DETERMINED WHICH NEIGHBORHOODS OR WHICH VOTERS THEY'RE GOING TO BE CONTACTING.

>> TO BE COND, NO DOUBT-- CONTINUED, NO DOUBT.

THE GOVERNOR SIGNED AN ANTI-ABORTION BILL, VERY CONTROVERSIAL.

TALK TO US ABOUT THIS AND WHERE-- I GOT TO THINK A COURT ACTION IS NEXT IN LINE.

>> CERTAINLY WOULD THINK SO.

AT THIS POINT IT'S RELATED TO GENETIC ABNORMALITIES SAYING THAT SOMEONE IS NOT ALLOWED-- PERMITTED TO ABORT BECAUSE IT IS GENETIC ABFOR NALTDS OF THE UNBORN-- ABNORMALITIES OF THE UNBORN.

IT COMES DOWN TO WHAT DOCTORS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS COULD PUT PHYSICIANS, ABORTION PROVIDERS IN A SITUATION WHERE THEY MAY IN FACT FACE SOME PRETTY SERIOUS LEGAL CHARGES.

THE POLITICS OF IT FOR A MINUTE, I FOUND IT INTERESTING BECAUSE OF COURSE WE SAW A WEEK OR SO AGO WHEN GOVERNOR DUCEY VETOED THE BILL RELATED TO SEX EDUCATION, LGBTQ, ELSE, AND HE-- ETCETERA, AND HE RAISED THE IRE OF SOMEONE ON THE RIGHT INCLUDING KATHY HARROD.

FOR SOME THIS WAS SEEN AS THE GOVERNOR TO DO A ONE AND ONE THERE AND SAY, OKAY, YOU DIDN'T LIKE HOW I WENT ON THIS ONE.

I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND SIGN THIS ONE AND YET THIS DOES POTENTIALLY, ADVOCATES ON THE OTHER SIDE, CONCERNS THIS PUTS ARIZONA ON A SLIPPERY TOWARD.

IS ARIZONA GOING TO BECOME ONE OF THOSE HARSH ANTIABORTION STATES.

>> ONE OF THE TEST CASES.

WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THIS?

>> I THINK WE'VE SEEN WITH THE NEW-- CEMENTED MAJORITY ON THE SUPREME COURT.

LEGISLATURES LOCAL-- LEGISLATORS PUSHING THE ENVELOPE ON WHAT THEY CAN PASS AND I THINKE-- YOU SEE THAT FITTING WITH THIS PANELS.

>> LET'S WRAP IT UP WITH ARIZONA FAILING TO ADD A CONGRESSIONAL SEAT.

APPARENTLY, WE'RE NOT GROWING FAST ENOUGH?

>> THAT'S THE BIZARRE THING ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE IN TERMS OF VOTER REGISTRATION, COMPARED TO POPULATION, BUT IN THE GREAT SENSE, THE U.S. ITSELF SHOWED THE SLOWEST GROWTH RATES SINCE IN TOON-- 1930s WHICH RAISED A LOT OF ABROWS FOR FOLKS-- OF EYEBROWS FOR FOLKS, WHETHER IT'S THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION HANDLING OF IT, WHETHER THE FLOATING OF THE CITIZENSHIP QUESTION BEING ON IT WHICH AFFECTED A NUMBER OF STATES WITH LATINO POPULATIONS, HIGH LATINO POPULATIONS.

THE BIGGESTNING IS THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE-- BIGGEST THING THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO RUN FOR CONGRESS ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE A 10th CONGRESSIONAL SEAT, WHICH WAS A SHOCKER TO EVERY ANALYST AND PUNDIT.

EVERYONE EXPECTED ARIZONA TO GET AT LEAST ONE MORE SEAT.

>> NO KIDDING.

AND ANDREW, IT SEEMS AS THOUGH THE CRITICS A SAY-- ARE SAYING WE DIDN'T TRY HARD ENOUGH.

WE DIDN'T SPEND ENOUGH MONEY TO GET OUT THERE AND COUNT HEADS.

AND IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE IN TERMS OF MONEY ARIZONA RECEIVES.

WE'RE GOING TO NOW START PAYING FOR STATES THAT DID A BETTER JOB OF COUNTING THEIR RESIDENTS.

AND I SHOULDN'T SYED RESIDENTS.

PEOPLE IN THE STAP-- I SHOULDN'T SAY RESIDENTS.

PEOPLE IN THE STATE.

>> THIS ISN'T A MATTER OF POLITICAL REPRESENTATION.

THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THAT.

BUT ALSO DICTATES THE RESOURCES THE GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO PROVIDE.

IT'S GOING TO AFFECT A LOT OF THINGS ON DOWN THE LINE AND ECONOMICALLY AS WELL.

YOU KNOW, YOU COULD HAVE SEEN, THOUGH, YEARS AGO, I MEAN, YEARS AHEAD OF THIS SINCE THIS, PEOPLE WHO FOLLOWED THE PROCESS WERE RAISING CONCERNS.

THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WAS GOING TO BE UNPREPARED.

THEY WEREN'T FUNDING THE CENSUS THE WAY THEY NEEDED TO.

THAT IT WAS BECOMING POLITICAL SIZED.

THAT-- POLITICIZED THE CITIZENSHIP QUESTION WOULD REQUIRE THE GOVERNMENT TO UNDERTAKE EXTRA WORK TO REACH COMMUNITIES AND MAKE SURE THEY WERE COUNTING EVERYONE.

BUT I'VE HEARD FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE WHOSY IT WAS INCUMBENT ON THE STATES TO RECOGNIZE THAT AND MAKE ON-- TAKE ON AN EXTRA ROLE IN MAKING SURE THEY WERE REACHING DEEP INTO COMMUNITIES AND COUNTING EVERYONE.

AND THAT EVIDENTLY DIDN'T HAPPEN.

>> IT COULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED.

BECAUSE SKYSCRAPERS, THE STATE BIRD IS A CRANE.

THAT OLD LINE.

SEEMS LIKE IT'S STILL GOING ON.

POLITICALLY, DOES IT HELP-- IF REPUBLICANS AND-- LINE OF REASONING IS REPUBLICANS WERE THE ONES WHO SAID, HEY, WATCH OUT, PUT THE CITIZENSHIP QUESTION ON THERE.

WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE WHO-- I GET ALL THAT, OKAY.

DOES IT HAPPY, THOUGH, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT REGISTERED VOTERS AND A POSSIBLE 10th CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT?

>> WELL, ANDREW MAKES AN IMPORTANT POINT ABOUT HOW FEDERAL MONEY IS A HUGE PART OF THE CENSUS.

SO THIS IN EGGS SENSE, IF-- ESSENCE, IF HOPES WHO WERE AGAINST THIS-- IF REPUBLICANS WHO WERE AGAINST THIS, THEY'RE SHOOTING THEMSELVES IN THE FOO.

WE DON'T KNOW HOWNARY GOING TO DRAW THE DISTRICTS.

AND NOW WITH NINE, THEY FEEL LIKE THE DISTRICTS PROBABLY AREN'T GOING TO LOOK THAT DIFFERENT FROM BEFORE.

SO HOW DOES THAT IN FACT AFFECT THINGS GOING FORWARD?

IT LEAVES REPUBLICANS A FEWER OPPORTUNITIES AS WELL AS DEMOCRATS AND IN ESSENCE IT DOESN'T ACKLEY-- ACTUALLY KNOCK THE DEMOGRAPHIC IN THE SENSE IT REPS REPUBLICANS BECAUSE IT COULD HURT THE STATES AND THAT'S REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS.

>> REPUBLICANS, DEMOCRATS, INDEPENDENTS, ANY WINNERS, LOSERS HERE?

>> ARIZONANS BEING LOSERS HERE.

I MEAN, REALLY, WHEN YOU'RE NOT COUNTING THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE STATE, WE'RE ALL GOING TO BE UNDERREPRESENTED AND OF COURSE, THAT'S GOING TO FALL HARDEST, THOUGH, ON COMMUNITIES THAT ARE UNDERREPRESENTED.

THE MOST, OR UNDERCOUNTED THE MOST.

>> YES.

GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

GOOD STUFF.

>> THANK YOU, TED.

>>> UP NEXT, AN ARTISTIC PARKING LOT ON-- PERSPECTIVE ON WOMEN AND THE DIVISION OF LABOR.

>>> THE SCOTTSDALE MUSEUM OF CONTEMPORARY ART IS HOSTING AN ARTISTIC PERSPECTIVE ON WOMEN AND THE DIVISION OF LABOR THAT REACHES ACROSS THE U.S./MEXICO BORDER.

THE EXIST IS TITLED, DIVISION OF LABOR, WOMEN SHIFTING A TRANSNATIONAL GAZE.

JOSE HAS LEARNED MORE ABOUT THE EXHIBIT FROM JENNIFER McCABE, SCOTTSDALE'S MUSEUM DIRECTOR AND CHIEF CURATOR.

>> JENNIFER, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US TO DISCUSS A TRULY INNOVATIVE EXHIBITION.

THIS ONE IS ENTITLED, DIVISION OF LABOR, WOMEN SHIFTING A TRANSNATIONAL GAZE.

EXPLAIN THE TITLE.

>> WELL, WE-- BEFORE I EXPLAIN THE TITLE, WE INVITED TO ARTISTS WHO CUREIATE THE EXHIBITION, SO THE TITLE COMES FROM THAT COLLABORATION AND THEIR WORK, THEIR WORK OFTEN DEALS WITH ISSUES AROUND LABOR.

AND SO THE WORKS THAT ARE IN THE SHOW ARE ABOUT LABOR, OFTEN THE UNSEEN LABOR, SO-- WHICH LANDS MOSTLY ON WOMEN'S SHOULDER, I WOULD SAY, THE NURTURING AND THINGS THAT YOU DON'T SEE AS OFTEN THAT ARE BEHIND THE SCENES BUT ALSO THEY WORKED WITH A COLLECTIVE FROM THE U.S./MEXICO BORDER, WHICH COMES-- WHICH IS THE PART THAT BRINGS IN THE TRANSNATIONAL GAZE.

AND SO THE WORKS ADDRESS KIND OF THE HISTORY.

ARTISTS' GAZE IN ARTWORK, WHO'S DOING THE LOOKING AND WHO IS THE SUBJECT.

>> AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT, ALSO REFLECTS A GAZE, AN INTERNAL GAZE THAT THE MUSEUM DID ITS OWN COLLECTION.

AND TO DETERMINE WHETHER IT REALLY IS REFLECTIVE OF THE INCLUSIVENESS THE MUSEUM STRIVES FOR.

>> THAT IS CORRECT.

WE STARTED THIS KIND OF INTERNAL LOOK LAST YEAR WITH AN EXHIBITION AROUND OUR COLLECTION ENTITLED, UNAPOLOGETIC, ALL WOMEN, ALL YEAR, AND THAT CAME FROM A STUDY OF NATIONAL MUSEUMS THAT SHOWED WOMEN AND ARTISTS COLOR MADE UP LESS THAN 15% OF THE MUSEUM PERMANENT COLLECTION.

SO WE-- PERMANENT COLLECTION.

SO WE WANTED TO BRING A DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS AND INVITING ARTISTS TO ALSO JOINING-- JOIN US IN LOOKING AT OUR COLLECTION AND TO FIND NOT ONLY WHAT IS THERE BUT MAYBE WHAT IS NOT THERE.

AND I THINK WHEN JEANE' AND GABRIELLA LOOKED AT OUR COLLECTION, THEY NOTICED THAT A VOICE OF THE LATINX WOMEN ARTISTS WAS SORELY LACKING.

SO THE EXHIBITION IS A WAY TO COUNTER THAT MISSING WORK AND TO REPLACE IT WITH SOMETHING REALLY POWERFUL.

>> LET'S TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE PIECES IN THE EXHIBITION.

ONE THAT STRIKES ME IS PERHAPS EPITOMIZING THE THEME.

IS ENTITLED, "THE LADY AND HER SERVANTS."

TALK ABOUT THAT ONE.

>> RIGHT.

THIS IS A PHOTOGRAPH BY PEDRO MIRAR, A FAMOUS SPANISH PHOTOGRAPHER.

AND WHEN GABRIELLA LOOKED AT THIS WORK, I THINK IT MADE HER ANY OF HER MOTHER WHO WAS ALSO-- THINK OF HER MOTHER WHO WAS ALSO A HOUSE KEEPER.

AND SHE FLIPPED THE NARRATIVE.

SO SHE CREATED A VIDEO CENTERED AROUND HER MOTHER TELLING THE STORY OF STARTING HER OWN BUSINESS AS A HOUSE KEEPER.

BUT SHE CARRIED THAT BUSINESS ON UNTIL SHE RETIRED AND PASSED IT ON TO THE WOMEN WHO WORKED FOR HER.

SO IT WAS REALLY MORE OF AN EMPOWERING LOOK AT HOW A HOUSE KEEPER IS AND CAN BE RATHER THAN WHAT THE PHOTOGRAPHER PRESENTS IN THIS IMAGE OF THE LADY AND HER SERVANTS.

>> AND ANOTHER FAMOUS PHOTOGRAPHER WHOSE IMAGES ARE INCLUDED IN THE EXHIBITION IS LUIS GONZALEZ PALMA AND THE PIECE IS CALLED-- THE NUMBER ONE.

>> YES.

AND THIS ONE REALLY SPOKE TO JEANE' SANCHEZ, SO THEY EACH PUTT NOT ONLY DID THEY POOL WORKS FROM OUR COLLECTION, BUT THEY ALSO MADE NEW WORKS.

AND SO WE SEE JEANE''S NEW WORK THAT IS A RESPONSE IN A WAY TO THIS.

SO IT'S HER-- AGAIN, THE GAZE IS THE ARTIST AND WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT.

AND SO SHE WANTED TO BE THE ARTIST LOOKING AT HERSELF TO KIND OF CHANGING THAT NARRATIVE.

AND IN ADDITION, THEY WORKED WITH THIS COLLECTIVE OF WOMEN ALONG THE BORDER AND THEY SHARED THEIR SKILL SET WITH THEM AND TAUGHT THEM HOW TO PHOTOGRAPH AND DO WRITING AND THEY-- LIGHTING AND THEY CREATED THEIR OWN PORTRAITS AND THAT'S POWERFUL, I THINK.

>> PERHAPS A LONGER SHOT OF THE EXHIBITION, WE HAVE AN IMAGE THAT IN THE FOREGROUND IT'S A SERIES OF BRICKS OR LOOKS LIKE A WALL WITH AN IMAGE ON-- A FACE ON THE FRONT.

>> RIGHT.

GABRIELLA IS PRINT MAKER AND SO SHE DID-- MADE A PRINT OR PORTRAIT OF ONE OF THESE WOMEN FROM THE COLLECTIONIVE,-- [INAUDIBLE] AND THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE.

IT WAS EXHIBITED AT SMOKE EYE IN 2016 AS A 30-FOOT WALL AND HOMEMADE ADOBE BRICK.

SO A LOT OF THE WORK THAT THESE WOMEN DO IS ABOUT NURTURING COMMUNITY AND SKILL-BUILDING, WHETHER IT COMES TO MAKING ADOBE BRICKS OR THERE'S A VIDEO ABOUT MAKING CHICKEN SOUP FROM SCRATCH.

SO ALL THE WAYS THAT WE NURTURE OUR COMMUNITY.

IT PRESENTS A POWERFUL, STRONG VIEW OF THE BORDER AND OF WOMEN, I THINK.

>> AND TALKING ABOUT A POWERFUL VIEW, AND OF WOMEN, ONE OTHER PICTURE.

IT'S SELF-PORTRAIT OF JENE SANCHEZ WITH WHAT LOOKED LIKE CACTUS SPINES IN HER BODY.

>> YEAH.

WHICH LOOKS UNCOMFORTABLE, DOESN'T IT?

BUT IT'S-- THERE'S SO MUCH BEAUTY IN THE LANDSCAPE AND IT REALLY COMES ACROSS THROUGH ALL THESE PHOTOGRAPHS.

THERE'S A WARMTH IN THE GALLERY, I THINK, AND A STRENGTH, KIND OF RESILIENCE.

IT SPEAKS TO REVILIENCY.

>> A DINNER-- [INAUDIBLE] THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US TODAY TO TALK ABOUT THIS WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL EXHIBITION.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING US.

>> AND FOR MORE ON THE EXHIBITION, VISIT THE SCOTTSDALE MUSEUM OF CONTEMPORARY ART'S WEBSITE.

♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >>> AND THAT IS IT FOR NOW.

I'M TED SIMONS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR JOINING US.

HAVE YOU A GREAT WEEKEND!

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