>> Ted: NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON, THE JOURNALIST'S ROUNDTABLE AND A LOOK AT THE WEEK'S TOP STORY INCLUDING GOVERNOR HOBBS' VETOING VETOING EIGHT BILLS IN ONE DAY.

GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

I'M TED SIMONS.

IT'S FRIDAY AND THAT MEANS FOR THE JOURNALIST'S ROUNDTABLE AND JOINING US IS MARY JO PITZL OF THE ARIZONA REPUBLIC AND AZ CENTER STADIUM AND NICK PHILLIPS AND JEREMY DUDA.

WHAT'S THE COUNT NOW FOR THE WEEK AND THE SESSION?

>> FOR THE WEEK, I THINK THAT MAKES 18 AND THEN 58 THUS FAR AND I THINK -- >> Ted: 38.

>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE GOVERNOR'S MIDDLE NAME IS, BUT I THINK IT COULD BE VETO AND SHE'S USING THAT STAMP A LOT.

>> Ted: AND A LOT OF BILLS THIS WEEK AND ONE OF THEM HAD AN ABORTION RELATED THEME AND THAT WAS THE BIGGIE, CORRECT?

>> I WOULD SAY THAT'S THE BIG ONE.

>> Ted: TALK ABOUT THAT ONE.

>> THIS WAS THE BORN ALIVE BILL THAT PASSED THE LEGISLATURE ON PARTY -- MOSTLY PARTY LINE VOTES AND PICKED UP ONE DEMOCRAT VOTE IN THE HOUSE.

AND IT WOULD REQUIRE DOCTORS TO PROVIDE EFFORTS TO RESUSCITATE OR KEEP ALIVE A CHILD WHO'S BEEN BORN MAYBE PREMATURELY AND THAT DOESN'T HAVE MUCH OF A CHANCE OF MAKING IT, BUT TO MAKE EVERY DUE EFFORT.

IT'S BASICALLY TELLING TOGETHERS WHATDOCTORSWHAT THEY CAN AND CANNOT DO AND A LOT OF PUSHBACK.

IT WAS PROMOTED AS A WAY TO KEEP KIDS -- TO SAVE BABIES.

>> Ted: AND REPUBLICAN RESPONSE WAS, LOOK WHAT THE GOVERNOR JUST DID.

>> THROUGHOUT THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS, THEY HAD A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES TO, YOU KNOW, PRESENT SOME EVIDENCE THAT MAYBE THERE WERE NEGATIVE MEDICAL OUTCOMES AS A RESULT OF NOT HAVING THIS KIND OF LAW.

WE DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THE PROCESS AS IT MOVES THROUGH THE REQUIRE AND THEY CERTAINLY SAW THIS AS A MOMENT TO, YOU KNOW, HIGHLIGHT THE GOVERNOR'S POSITION ON THIS ISSUE THAT IS, YOU KNOW, INCREDIBLY DEVICIVE.

>> THIS RESULTED IN SOME REPUBLICANS SAYING THE GOVERNOR SUPPORTS INFANTICIDE.

>> KARI LAKE PUT OUT A PRESS RELEASE ON THAT VETO.

>> Ted: JEREMY, THE GOVERNOR SAID IT'S NOT THE STATE'S RULE TO MAKE SUCH DIFFICULT MEDICAL DECISIONS FOR PATIENTS.

>> THIS WILL COME DOWN TO IF A BABY IS BORN PREMATURELY OR SEVERE MEDICAL DEFECTS OR MEDICAL PROBLEM, PRESUMABLY, THE MOTHER, THE DOCTOR, THE CHILDREN WANTED AND THESE ARE SITUATIONS TO BE LOOKING FOR, WHAT ARE THE BABY'S PROSPECTS?

I DON'T KNOW WE HEARD EVIDENCE DURING THIS DEBATE TO KEEP THEM ALIVE.

CHILDREN WHO ARE BORN ALIVE DURING ABORTION ATTEMPTS.

SO THAT'S ON THE BOOKS AND YOU HAVE SOMETHING SIMILAR LIKE THIS AND THIS IS FOR CHILDREN IN ANY CIRCUMSTANCE.

AS GOVERNOR HOBBS' RATIONALE WAS THIS INTERFERES WITH THE DOCTOR/PATIENT RELATIONSHIP AND A DIFFICULT DECISION WHAT TO DO IN THE SITUATION.

THIS IS A HEART-WRENCHING DECISION, I'M SURE.

>> Ted: AND TO MAKE ANOTHER VETO WAS LIMITING CITIES AND TOWNS TO LEASE SPACE FOR GUN SALES OR SOMETHING ALONE THESE LINES?

GUN SHOWS, I'M SORRY, YES.

>> AND THERE HAVE BEEN A FEW GUN-RELATED BILLS THAT HAVE GOTTEN TO THE GOVERNOR'S DESK, ALREADY, AND THIS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT TOUCHES ON A CULTURE WAR ISSUE AND, YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE VOTES ON THAT ONE AND THAT WENT ON PARTISAN LINES AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

>> Ted: SURE.

>> I BELIEVE IT'S 13 OF THE 18 BILLS GOT TO GOVERNOR HOBBS' DESK WITHOUT A SINGLE DEMOCRATIC VOTE AND A FEW HAD ONE, TWO, MAYBE THREE DEMOCRATIC VOTES AND THE ONE PASSED 58, NOTHING IN THE HOUSE, WHICH MAKES IT A RARITY.

38 VETOES AND THE THIRD MOST OF ANY GOVERNOR IN ARIZONA HISTORY.

THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE THEY'RE SENDING HER A LOT OF VERY PARTISAN AND REPUBLICAN BILLS WITH NO DEMOCRATIC SUPPORT AND STUFF THAT SHE'S AGAINST.

WE KNOW HER POSITION AND THEY'RE SENDING BILLS, MORE OR LESS, TO MAKE HER VETO THEM.

>> Ted: THIS ONE WITH THE CITIES AND TOWNS AND THE LEGISLATURE ARE NOT SEEING EYE TO EYE.

>> WELL, ONE OF THESE, THE PRE-PRE-EMION LAWS AND THERE'S SEVERE DIFFERENCES OF OPINION AS TO WHO SHOULD BE IN CHARGE.

>> Ted: GOVERNOR THAT THEY NAPOLITANO, THE DYNAMICS?

>> ACTUALLY, IT'S HARD TO REMEMBER.

>> Ted: A LONG TIME AGO.

>> THE GOVERNOR HOBBS' VETO MESSAGES ARE SUCCINCT AND UNNECESSARY IS A VERY OVERUSED OR COMMONLY USED ADJECTIVE AND WORKING WITH THE G.O.P LEGISLATURE ARE TRYING TO SET PARAMETERS AND SAY THIS IS WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE AND WE HAVE 26 BILLS THAT HAVE BEEN SIGNED.

>> Ted: YES.

>> THEY'RE NOT EARTH SHAKERS.

>> Ted: ANYONE WINNING THIS BEFORE THE LEGISLATURE AND GOVERNOR AND HAVING IT SENT BACK?

>> I'M NOT SURE IF ANYONE IS WINNING BUT THEY'RE TAKING THEIR SWINGS IN TERMS OF THE CONSERVATIVES AND THE GOVERNOR IS, YOU KNOW, TRUMPETING THESE VETOES AND WE'VE SEEN SHE'S PUT OUT PRESS RELEASES, VIDEOS ONLINE AND SHE'S FUNDRAISED OFF OF IT AND I THINK THIS IS THE GAME THAT THEY'RE PLAYING RIGHT NOW.

SOMEONE I WAS TALKING TO EARLIER WHO WORKS IN THE LEGISLATURE WAS SAYING THAT IT WILL BE TIME FOR THE GOVERNOR TO PIVOT AND TALK ABOUT WHAT SHE WANTS AND SHE HAS EMPHASIZED WHAT SHE DOESN'T WANT AND MADE IT CLEAR WITH THAT VETO PEN.

WE HAVEN'T NECESSARILY SEEN WHAT THE GOVERNOR WANTS TO DO.

AND MAYBE THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE POSSIBLE WITH THIS REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURE.

>> Ted: THAT'S AN INTERESTING POINT.

JEREMY, THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE HAD A SHAKEUP AND A LOT OF FOLKS MOVING HERE AND THERE.

BUT WHAT DOES IT MEAN OVERALL?

>> DEPENDS WHO YOU ASK.

LAST WEEK WAS A TUMULTUOUS WEEK AND CAPPED OFF UNEXPECTEDLY BY A TUMULTUOUS TRY AND BERRY WHO WAS ASKED FOR HER RESIGNATION OVER AN INOPPORTUNE TWEET AND FRIDAY, YOU SAW THREE STAFFERS WITH THREE TITLES AND THE COMMUNICATION'S DIRECTOR WHO HAD BEEN WITH HER AT THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S OFFICE EASED OUT.

THEY DIDN'T ANNOUNCE IT AND WE'LL LET YOU KNOW WHO THE NEW COMMUNICATION'S DIRECTOR IS NEXT WEEK AND WE HAVEN'T FOUND OUT YET.

NO ONE IS QUITE SURE WHAT HAPPENED THERE.

TECHNICALLY, THE GOVERNOR'S CHIEF OF STAFF TELLS ME MURPHY IS STILL EMPLOYED BY THE STATE AND SEEMS LIKE SHE AS TIME OFF RIGHT NOW.

REALLY HAS NOT GOTTEN A GOOD ANSWER AND CONTRIBUTES TO THE SENSE THAT GOVERNOR HOBBS STRUGGLING IN HER TENURE.

THERE HAVE BEEN MISSTEPS AND NICK MENTIONED A LOT OF TROUBLE GETTING AN AGENDA GOING AND A STAFF SHAKEUP AND THIS EARLY, IT'S VERY UNUSUAL.

>> Ted: THREE MONTHS SPOT TERM AND IS THAT UNUSUAL?

>> UNUSUAL, AND SUGGESTS THAT THIS SETTLING IN, MAYBE THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE RIGHT FIT IN THE RIGHT PLACES.

MOVING FROM DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC AFFAIRS TO BASICALLY BEING DEPUTY CHIEF OF STAFF IN CHARGE OF POLICY AND THAT SIGNALS THEY WANT TO SHARPEN UP THEIR MESSAGES.

>> Ted: REGARDING THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE AND SAYING WHAT DO YOU WANT AND YOU'RE FLYING THEM OUT THE WINDOW, BUT WHAT DO YOU WANT?

COULD THIS BE A PART OF THAT AND A LOT OF COMMUNICATIONS AND PR AND SPOKESPERSON STUFF GOING ON HERE.

>> THE GOVERNOR COULD ONLY DEAL WITH THE LEGISLATION THAT GETS TO HER DESK.

AND, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THAT WAS WRITTEN BEFORE SHE GAVE HER INAUGURAL ADDRESS WHERE SHE DID LAY OUT WHAT SHE WANTS.

AT THIS POINT, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO INTRODUCE A NEW BILL TO GIVE THE GOVERNOR WHAT SHE WANTS AND THIS IS SIGNALING AGAIN TO TALK ABOUT WHAT SHE WANTS IN THE STATE BUDGET WHERE THE MONEY REALLY SETS THE PRIORITIES.

>> Ted: OR AT LEAST A BULLY PULPIT ABOUT WHAT YOU NEED AND WANT.

THE SENATE VOTES TO RESTRICT THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S RESPONSIBILITIES, DUTIES AND SURPRISED THERE?

>> NOT NECESSARILY SURPRISED.

I MEAN, THE REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN MAKING A LOT OF NOISE THAT KATIE HOBBS, WHO WAS SECRETARY OF STATE RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR OVERSAW IN SOME CAPACITY THE ELECTION AND SHE WON TO BE THE STATE'S TOP EXECUTIVE.

NOW FOLKS SHOULD HAVE BEEN WATCHING THIS FOR AWHILE WILL RECALL THAT KEN BENNET DID THE SAME THING AND SHE'S A VERIFY.

IT'S PART OF A LARGER NARRATIVE ABOUT KATIE HOBBS' ROLE AS SECRETARY OF STATE AND LARGER COMPLAINTS THE CONSERVATIVES HAVE BEEN ELECTION ADMINISTRATION.

>> I THINK IT FEEDS INTO THE PUBLIC SAYING HOW CAN YOU BE IN CHARGE OF PUBLIC ELECTIONS TO SAY I WON?

THAT SHOWS THERE'S NOT AN UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THE PROCESS WORKS.

THE SECRETARY OF STATE DOES NOT COUNT WORK OR TALLY BALLOTS AND DUTIES IN REGARDS TO RUNNING ELECTIONS LIKE MAN MACHINES ARE CERTIFIED.

THEY DON'T SEE WHY THIS IS NEEDED AND TRYING TO NOT TAKE IT PERSONALLY AND PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BECAUSE IT'S AIMED AT KATIE HOBBS.

>> Ted: WHY THIS?

WHY NOT?

TWO WORDS "KATIE HOBBS."

>> AND CONSPIRACY THEORIES AND WE HEARD THIS THROUGHOUT THE 2022 RACE AND INSISTING THAT KATIE HOBBS SHOULD RECUSE HERSELF.

SECRETARY OF STATES OF HAVE ACTUAL DUTIES AND THIS GOES DOWN TO THE COUNTY WHERE COUNTY RECORDERS AND I DON'T THINK ANYONE MADE A MOVE TO BAR THEM WHERE THEY'LL BE ON THE BALLOT, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, THE ACTION YOU HAVE, WITH SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF CONTROL OVER HOW THEY'RE ADMINISTERED AND EVEN IF THEY BECOME GOVERNOR, THEY DON'T RUN FOR GOVERNOR BECAUSE THEY INHERIT THE JOB.

BUT THEY WOULD RUN FOR REELECTION.

SO THIS HAS NEVER BEEN A PROBLEM FOR KEN BENNET, MICHELLE BREWER AND GO BACK DECADES,.

AND THIS HAS NEVER BEEN A PROBLEM AND EITHER FROM ALLEGATIONS OR FOR REELECTIONS AND JUST COMES DOWN TO THIS VERY UNFOUNDED ALLEGATION ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR IN 2022.

>> KEN BENNETT, NOW A STATE SENATOR, HE GAVE AN AMENDMENT TO ALLOW THE SECRETARY OF STATE TO AT LEAST CERTIFY THE ELECTION BECAUSE THE WAY THE ORIGINAL BILL WAS WRITTEN, THE SECRETARY WOULD HAVE BEEN BARRED FROM DOING THAT.

THAT IS THESE PASS THE SENATE AND IF THEY WANT THE BILL IN THAT FORM AND NOT QUITE SOUP YET.

>> Ted: IF IT DOES BECOME SOUP, I WOULD IMAGINE GOVERNOR HOBBS WOULD BE THROWING THAT OUT.

>> THEY'LL HAVE IT FOR DINNER.

>> IT SEEMS LIKE LIKE SHE WOULD BECAUSE OF THE LARGER NARRATIVE THIS PLAYS INTO AND ALSO, YOU MIGHT TAKE THE POSITION, MAYBE SHE WOULD ACCEPT SOMETHING LICK LIKE THIS IF IT'S BEEN WATERERRED DOWN AND THIS IS LARGELY HARMLESS, I'M LET IT GO.

MAYBE IT COULD BE AN OLIVE BRANCH.

BUT I THINK SHE'S SHOWN, INCLUDING THIS WEEK, SHE'S NOT GOING TO TAKE THAT APPROACH.

THERE WAS A BILL THAT WAS VETOED THIS WEEK THAT WOULD HAVE BASICALLY ENSHRINED IN LAW RULES SHE WROTE TO THE ELECTION'S PROCEDURE'S MANUAL.

HE SAID, THESE ARE GOOD RULES AND WE'LL PUT THEM INTO STATE LAW.

SHE AID, SAID, THAT'S NOT WHERE THEY BELONG.

>> Ted: AND SHE'S VETOING HER OWN BILL AND ABORIGINAL.

>> AND A BILL THAT HAD BIPARTISAN SUPPORT AND HOBBS HAS SAID IT WOULD HELP IF BILLS DID HAVE DEMOCRATS ON THEM WHEN THEY GET TO HER DESK AND NOT A GUARANTEE.

>> Ted: THAT OVERWHELM THING, SHE WAS AGAINST CODIFYING IN THE ELECTION'S MANUAL.

>> THAT WASN'T THE PROPER PLACE AND TO A LARGER DEGREE, SHE'S SENSITIVE WITH ELECTION LAWS AS THE FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE AND THE TARGET OF SO SO MANY WILD ACCUSATIONS AND CONSPIRACY THEORIES WHICH IS DRIVING SO MUCH OF THIS LEGISLATION IN THE FIRST PLACE.

>> Ted: NICK, CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT THREE RACING TO SUCCEED GALLAGO AND WE HAVE THE CITY OF PHOENIX AND THAT COULD BE A CROWDED RACE.

>> IT COULD BE AND YOU MENTIONED THE TWO MOST IMPORTANT CANDIDATES AND WE HAVE ANSARI, AND SEEN AS AN UP AND COMING STAR.

AND SHE RESIGNED THAT ROLE AND WHAT'S IMPORTANT ABOUT DISTRICT 3, A DEMOCRATIC STRONGHOLD AND A PLACE WHERE POTENTIALLY MORE AGGRESSIVE DEMOCRAT CAN GET ELECTED AND YOU CAN STAY IN THAT SEAT FOR A FEW CYCLES AND INTO A HIGHER OFFICE.

>> Ted: WE HAVE OTHER FOLKS AND MIRANDA AND THESE FOLKS COULD GET IN LATER ON.

THE TWO WE MENTIONED ARE IN NOW, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO?

>> I MEAN, TEYRAN HAS A LOT OF SUPPORT AND DEMOCRATIC PARTY CHAIR AND PROMINENT ACTIVIST BEFORE THAT AND A LOT OF OUTSIDE MONEY AND SUPPORT FOR HER AND SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS.

BUT THIS WILL BE A FASCINATING RACE AND THESE ARE JUST THE FIRST TWO AND A LOT OF ANNOUNCEMENTS BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST WEEK OF THE NEW FUNDRAISING CORRIDOR.

THIS IS A CROWDED RACE AND THIS IS A SEAT YOU COULD SIT IN FOR TEN, 20 PLUS YEARS.

AND YOU KNOW, I THINK WE STILL HAVE SOME BIG CANDIDATES AND OTHER CANDIDATES WHO ARE NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO BE FRONTRUNNERS.

LAURA PA RKSSTOR WILL BE A BIG NAME AND THE FORMER LEGISLATORS AND FOR A RACE WITH NO GENERAL ELECTION, EFFECTIVELY, BECAUSE IT'S A DEMOCRATIC SEAT.

>> Ted: THE PRIMARY WINS IT ALL.

>> VERY, VERY LIKELY, YES.

>> Ted: MARY JO, CANDIDATES FOR DISTRICT 1, DEMOCRATS ARE BEHINDING UP TO TAKE ON DAVID SCHWIKERT.

>> IT'S A NEW BATCH THIS TIME AND WE HAVE STATE REPRESENTATIVE SHAW WHO IS A THREE-TERM VETERAN IN THE LEGISLATURE AND HE WILL MAKE A RUN AT THAT AND ANDRE, WHO WAS CHAIRMAN OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND RAN FOR CONGRESS.

>> Ted: CLINTON WHITE HOUSE, FOR GOODNESS SAKES.

>> AND WHO ELSE?

>> ANDREW HORN.

>> Ted: A LOT OF DOCTORS.

>> THAT'S HAPPENED BEFORE AND ANITA MALLICK.

SHE MAY HAVE BEEN IN THE MEDICAL PROFESSION.

>> Ted: IS SCHWIKERT VULNERABLE.

>> BARELY WON AGAINST HODGE.

>> Ted: HODGE SAYS HE WON'T DO THIS AGAIN AND EVERYONE AND THEIR BROTHER IS CROWDING UP IN THERE.

>> HE HASN'T HAD SUCCESS IN THE PAST AND MAYBE HE'LL COME BACK AND MAYBE HE'S THROWN IN THE TOWEL FOR GOOD AND CERTAINLY WON'T BE A SHORTAGE OF CANDIDATES AND HE MAY HAVE DECIDED TO CUT HIS LOSSES.

>> Ted: HANDICAP THE RACE FOR US.

>> THIS IS POSSIBLY THE MOST COMPETITIVE CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT IN THE STATE AND LAST YEAR, WHAT WE SAW WAS A LOT OF BIGGER NAMED DEMOCRATS IN THE DISTRICT DIDN'T GET IN OR THINK IT WOULD BE A VERY GOOD YEAR FOR DEMOCRATS IN ORDER TO BE BETTER THAN A LOT OF FOLKS THOUGHT.

VERY CLOSE TO A TEN-YEAR INCUMBENT AND THIS WILL BE ONE OF THE MOST WATCHED CONGRESSIONAL RACES IN ARIZONA NEXT YEAR TO ONE OF THE BIGGEST ONES IN THE COUNTRY AND THIS IS A SERIOUS PICKUP OPPORTUNITY.

>> Ted: MARLENEWOODS IS POSSIBLE?

>> HEARING HER NAME FOR AWHILE AND I KNOW THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER NAMES.

>> Ted: A LOT OF PROMINENT PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THIS AREA AND PROBABLY A FEW BIG NAMES.

AND I WOMAN WHO RAN AGAINST GOSAR.

THIS IS A WIDE OPEN CONTEST, ISN'T IT?

>> I THINK WHAT'S INTERESTING, WE TALKED ABOUT CD3 A MINUTE AGO AND IF THE DEMOCRATS WILL FLIP CD1, IT WON'T BE WITH ONE THAT WILL WIN CD3 AND SHAW, CHURNEY AND THESE ARE MORE CENTRIST BUSINESS FRIENDLY AND ONE OF THE WEALTHYIST DISTRICTS IN THE WHOLE STATE AND SO, IF A DEMOCRAT WILL FLIP THAT SEAT, I THINK IT WILL BE SOMEBODY LIKE SHAW WHOSE OPEN SECRET DOESN'T GET ALONG WITH THE REST OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IN THE LEGISLATURE, BUT HE MIGHT BE A DEMOCRAT WHO WILL WIN THIS PARTICULAR SEAT.

>> HE'S A DEMOCRAT WHO GETS THE MOST BILLS PASSED AND HE WORKS HARD TO GET REPUBLICAN VOTES AND HE'S TALKING TO HIS REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES ALL OF THE TIME.

I MEAN, HE DOES STICK WITH HIS CAUCUS ON THE BIG ISSUES.

HE HASN'T BROKEN WITH THEM ON THE HOT BUTTON ISSUES, ABORTION, SCHOOL FUNDING, ET CETERA.

DID A LOT IN THE MEDICAL LANE WHICH CERTAIN BURNISHES HIS REPUTATION.

>> THE PROGRESSIVE BASE IS NOT A BIG FAN AND ISSUES WITH CHURNEY AND CANDIDATES TO BE IN A POSITION FOR THIS VERY, YOU KNOW,, SLIGHTLY REPUBLICAN LEANING AND WILL HAVE A LOT MORE TROUBLE.

>> Ted: IF A REPUBLICAN IS CAMPAIGNING, THEY'RE THERE.

YES.

>> Ted: AND JEREMY, STICKING WITH YOU, THE ATTORNEYS FOR KARI, LAKE, THEY RESPONDED SAYING THE SUPREME COURT NEEDS TO LOOK OVER SOMETHING AND THE SUPREME COURT CAN'T DO THAT AND WHAT'S GOING ON?

>> THE SUPREME COURT IS NOT GOING TO DO THAT.

THEY DISMISSED -- THEY REFUSED TO HEAR SIX OF THE SEVEN COUNTS FROM THE CHALLENGE OF THE ELECTION SAYING SHE'S THE RIGHTFUL GOVERNOR.

AND THIS ONE ONE, NOT ONLY DID THEY REJECT, AND NOT ONLY SANCTIONS, BUT YOU SHOULD RECONSIDER THIS.

WHAT THIS IS ABOUT 35,000 PLUS BALLOTS IS, QUOTE, AN UNDISPUTED FACT THAT THESE ARE UNACCOUNTED FOR THAT WERE INSERTED INTO THE TOTAL AT RUNBACK, THE COUNTY'S VENDOR AND SCANS THE BALLOTS.

AND THIS IS SOMETHING THEY RAISED LATE IN THE GAME.

THERE'S NOT A LOT OF DOCUMENTATION.

THE SPRIGS SUPREME COURT SAID THERE IS NOT A LOT OF DOCUMENTATION.

>> Ted: THAT HORSE HAS LEFT THE BARN AND THE SUPREME COURT MADE THE DECISION.

>> THE RUNBACK SAID THIS MANY BALLOTS AND OVER TO THE COUNTY, THIS MANY BALLOTS AND WHEN THEY GOT TO THE IN-BOUND, RECEIPTS, THESE ARE ESTIMATES AND I THINK THEY WEIGH THE BALLOTS TO FIT HOW MANY THEY'RE IN AND THEY DON'T GET COUNTED AND IF THERE'S A DISCREPANCY, THEY'RE DEALING WITH ESTIMATES AND THIS WILL MAKE A DIFFICULT ARGUMENT IN COURT.

>> Ted: THIS IS RESPONDING TO THE SANCTION'S MOTION AND LAKE'S ATTORNEY SAID SHE REALLY BELIEVES IT.

SO THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH.

>> WELL, THE CONTEXT THAT YOU BRING UP IS WHAT MATTERS HERE IN RESPONSE TO THE SANCTION'S MOTION.

I'M NOT IN THE HEAD OF KARI LAKE'S LAWYERS AND THEY KNOW THIS WON'T FLY WITH THE SUPREME COURT BECAUSE THE SUPREME COURT THREW THIS CLAIM OUT.

THEY SAID, WE'RE NOT EVEN GOING TO LET THE TRIAL COURT CONSIDER THIS BECAUSE THERE'S NO EVIDENCE.

IT'S NOT WORTH BRINGING THIS CLAIM TO COURT.

SO IT'S NOT UNDISPUTED.

THE SUPREME COURT ITSELF DISPUTES IT.

BUT NOW, KARI LAKE'S LEGAL TEAM DISPUTES SANCTIONS AND ONE WAY IS TO TELL A STORY IN WHICH THIS CASE HAS BEEN BROUGHT FOR A LEGITIMATE PURPOSE.

IF SHE SINCERELY BELIEVES THESE ALLEGATIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, ADDS TO THE EVIDENCE THAT AT LEAST -- EVEN IF THE CASE WASN'T SUCCESSFUL, IT WAS BROUGHT FOR A LEGITIMATE PURPOSE, NOT AN IMPROPER PURPOSE TO OPEN THEM UP.

>> Ted: IT REMINDS ME OF THE "SEINFELD" PURPOSE THAT IT'S NOT A LIE IF YOU BELIEVE IT.

>> IN THE CONTEXT OF SANCTIONS AND EARLIER THIS WEEK, A JUDGE IN THE NEVER-ENDENDING COCHISE COUNTY TO THE SECRETARY OF STATE AND A CITIZEN GROUP THAT SUED WHEN THE COHCHISE COUNTY WOULDN'T SUE.

IT'S ABOUT $37,000 AND WHO WILL HAVE TO PAY THAT?

WILL IT BE THE TWO COUNTY SUPERVISORS THEMSELVES WHO BULKED AT THE ELECTION OR ON THE COUNTY TAXPAYERS?

>> Ted: I THOUGHT IT WAS TAXPAYERS.

>> THE COUNTY WILL HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE.

>> Ted: THAT SHOULD BE FUN.

>> THE IDEA OF SANCTIONS, IS THAT STEAMROLLING AND PEOPLE THAT ARE FILING THE LAWSUITS?

>> IT HASN'T DEFERRED ANY OF THEM.

>> WE KNEW THIS WHEN THEY GOT FILED AND EVEN KARI LAKE'S LONG-TIME CAMPAIGN OFFICER WHICH MAY LEAD TO A CASE THAT COULDN'T LEAD TO A SITUATION LIKE THIS AND NOT AN ATTORNEY.

I, TOO,I DON'T KNOW WHO WILL BE FILING THE LAWS AND OBVIOUSLY, IT HASN'T DISSUADED ANYONE, MARK FINCHEN AND WE'RE SEEING THIS MORE AND I THINK THAT GOES TO SHOW YOU THE QUALITY OF THE LEGAL CASE TAZ ARE CASES THAT ARE GETTING BROUGHT.

>> Ted: ON A SCALE OF ONE TO TEN, AND ONE NOWHERE CLOSE AND TEN, BUDGET, WHERE ARE WE?

>> TWO.

>> Ted: A TWO?

OH, GOODNESS!

>> Ted: JEREMY?

>> I THINK THREE MONTHS, WE'LL BE ON THE STAGE TALKING ABOUT THAT BUDGET.

>> Ted: SO YOU'RE A ONE?

>> IF THAT'S AS LOW AS WE GO, YEAH.

>> I SAY FOUR BUT THERE'S TALKS AND I THINK WORKING ON THE EASY STUFF AND GIVE HIM CREDIT AND THAT MOVES IT UP.

>> Ted: THANK YOU, MARY JO.

>> THAT DOESN'T MEAN ANYBODY IS GOING HOME.

>> IT COULD BE THREE NEXT WEEK AND TWO THE FOLLOWING WEEK.

>> Ted: PANEL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US AND THAT'S IT FOR NOW.

I'M TED SIMONS.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US AND YOU HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.