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>> Nobody can rob a bank always on the move.

>> You protect them with your life.

>> You understand?

>> I do.

>> This is the last statement and said something afterwards, too.

>> I don't recall that.

>> I think he was talking to his victims, saying I don't know you, but maybe something along those lines.

>> That's the difficulty, but when it happened, it happened decades ago.

The answer was that D.N.A.

testing was improving, I the technology and I believe that if there had been evidence and Mr. D irregular.

>> There is finalty and response was state leaders and this was get the job done and move on.

>> It was a law on the books and Arizona and his duty and state's duty to carry this out and there was certain circumstances when the death penalty is justice and certainly not cheerleading this as a talking point.

>> Is in the kind of thing to expedite -- those are 20 some odd folks.

>> The main reason this has been held up because of the in inability to do a lethal injection and this seemed to have cleared that hurdle and that road block is out of the way.

>> I believe there's another one scheduled or we have a warrant for the next execution and we'll see more of those for the 20 individuals in the coming weeks and month.

>> May just be a few more months for the attorney general Brnovich and I don't know this helps in a senate primary but he's been pushing for that since January.

>> I was wondering what the response was from the governor and we'll stay with you, but Arizona is busing migrants to Washington, D.C. just like Texas.

>> Stacie had a great story.

[ Laughter ] >> We'll talk about that.

>> Never mind, Stacie, and Arizona is busing migrants and what's going on here.

>> I want to talk about how we know this is happen.

The governor put out an issue that he asked social media companies to crack down on advertising, and recruiting citizens to drive migrants across and from the border and so, we get this lengthy press release about this and there's a paragraph towards the bottom that says, oh, we'll start helping people get to Washington, D.C. and so, I called the governor's office and it turns out by that time, the first bus had already arrived in Washington and Arizona is following in Texas' footsteps and using state resources to drive asylum seekers to Washington, D.C. to get to their families and it's interesting to me that the governor kind of tuck this into a press release about something else.

>> The governor of Texas made a big deal and why not the governor of Arizona?

>> Doug Ducey isn't Greg Abbott.

Remember, we got him, the fiasco about a shooter that they caught or they thought they had caught and a man terrorizing people and shooting them on the freeways and I'm surprised this was so subtle and I want to know, if they're busing them to D.C., can they give him tickets to the Smithsonian or tour the White House?

>> They get a meal.

>> So the governor's office was careful to say that these people are being taken care of and EMT's on the bus and meals on the bus and I mean, these are transportation services that nonprofits are doing anyway and the governor's office says they need to step in and help because the nonprofits are so strapped and this is where we get into the politics of the situation which is, you know, so many people coming here and the Biden Administration is still trying to lift title 42 and a flood of demand, so Ducey is stepping into help.

>> Is there reason there wasn't a big to-do the fact that Texas did it first?

>> Not just they did it first and veer slightly off, even though you're the host of the program.

[ Laughter ] >> The show is an in in consistency as Mary Jo points out.

He's among the group supporting governor governor Brian Kem and Chris Christie will be with him and it's a whole thing and governor Ducey doesn't want to follow that closely with governor Abbott and any chance to criticize the Biden Administration, he'll take.

>> How much is all of this costing the state?

>> They don't know yet.

>> They don't know?

>> Some of it depends on how many people take these bus trips and two or three to D.C. a week.

The governor's office will seek their money back from the White House, though.

>> OK. >> So we'll see about that.

>> We've heard that before.

>> We have.

>> Have the border patrol comment yay or what are you doing.

>> There was pushback, we had no idea this was happening and if you believe in being partners, that didn't happen here.

>> Again, what a couple two, three a week now is scheduled?

>> Yeah, and a couple of interesting differences with how Texas did this.

When Texas governor Greg Abbott announced this, it was aggressive and we're going to, you know, send armed troops to the border and pick people up and take them to D.C. and so the Ducey administration was careful to say this is voluntary and we're not taking that aggressive of a stance.

And, you know, the governor also announced this, announced it, in a press release, the same day he was this D.C., meeting with the border patrol commissioner.

>> Even that seemed like it was buried within the burial.

[ Laughter ] >> It's interesting and the idea that, I guess, around 20 people were helped and from various countries.

>> Not Mexico.

>> Good point and 20 people and I'm wondering what impact -- if title 42 going to cause this huge influx.

>> You'll need a bigger bus.

>> And here we go and we had a debate this week, the republican attorney general debate.

>> There was?

>> There was.

>> I think we should ask you questions.

>> Trust me, we had one.

>> We'll start with you and six candidates there to succeed mark Brnovich and what did you make of that debate?

>> I think it was one person, really, muggin' for the camera and the others, you know, despite all your good efforts trying to get their words in.

But I think we saw a very aggressive stance from Rodney glassman and some of his comments seemed to show an interesting view of how he sees the role of the attorney general, as an activist, promoting ideologies and how much activist and out much should be going on and they think quite a bit?

>> I love that you asked that question and one of the main criticisms of mark Brnovich and interesting that Rodney glassman, yes, attacked Andrew Gould for not being so forceful about that.

>> Attacking Andrew Gould from the get-go.

>> Did you go into this thinking one person was the frontrunner and the way glassman went after him, no.

>> I did not think it was a frontrunner, but the way he kept focusing on Andrew Goudl, Andy, he wants to be called, but he thinks he knows something.

There were a lot of other folks there and talked about a lot of things, all of them, Mary Jo, had problems with the attorney general.

>> I think they can read press clippings and media coverage to know mark Brnovich's tactics are not going over well.

You know, starting with the fact that he was a witness for the certification of the 2020 election results, which we sill have not yet let go of.

Most of them seemed to indicate that they would not do which Brnovich now probably would not do.

>> Except for one.

>> Yeah, an interesting moment and Lacey Cooper said she would have signed off and it is as witness, right?

>> Right.

>> Not certifying.

But then clarified later that that was, you know, she would have signed given what she knew at the time.

>> Probably felt lonely.

>> Did you see the cloud of trump over the debate affect that.

We think about a former Arizona Supreme Court justice and even he wouldn't -- maybe if I needed an injunction and didn't want to didn't either way and shows the dominance that -- >> Did we see someone here -- Tiffany had skin in the game and seeing undocumented immigrants on her property and Dawn Grove with business interests and how many, two thousand mule's films and proof.

How does all of this play with republican voters because they're the one who decide this race?

>> If we go through republican primary voters and six candidates and does a field like this give someone who is -- that's why I wonder about Lacey Cooper because maybe there are republicans left or independent who's will register for the primary who want someone not necessarily going down the trump line.

>> Does that make sense and Abe bringing up the film and Lacey Cooper bringing up border security and saying she would >> The consumer protection role of the attorney general's office and if you think about things that affect people, where they live, you know, a lot of the work that unit does, which I think was started or beefed up, that was sort of a smart thing to point to and maybe that's a way to distinguish and I think that's lost follow-up that.

>> What would you do as far as consumer protection and fraud.

We'll move on and last question.

Did Chris Mays win that debate?

>> No, no, in a presidential election year that is not affected by what happened in 2020, absolutely, but I don't think any of us on this stage -- the fact Chris is a former republican, I don't know, but maybe a few more cross-over votes.

But a crazy theory because I have them.

Former justice Gould, I kept wondering and maybe they know why he actually left the court.

And my thinking was, is governor Ducey with dark money, et cetera, is Andy Gould goes going to get an influx of cash to win this race.

>> I may need to write that down?

[ Laughter ] >> Was Chris helped by this?

>> It certainly clarified her position but as the Democrat, she won't agree with them on anything and can use that to amplify her own position.

>> I would think that when you get to a general election, for independent votes, some section of the independent voters and Democrats, moderate republicans, you know, she might be an attractive alternative to what we heard on the debate the other night.

>> I have to see about a that.

And Steve, Andy Biggs subpoenaed by the committee and five lawmakers hit with subpoenas and he's not cooperating, right?

>> He's not going to cooperate.

And, obviously, the committee wants to get this done as soon as possible and when you see Andy Biggs lumped in and he's in a general position because he's not in the legislature and not considered to be, forgive the disrespectful term, loon and lumped in with Kevin McCarthy and one of the heavy weights.

If he doesn't -- he can use the political excuse, biased and two republicans, but definitely gives voters a better idea where Andy Biggs is if he does to the testify.

>> Given the district in which he's running, I think as Steve was saying, it highlights his role.

He was on the phone with the speaker of the Arizona house asking him to, you know, please consider rejecting the electorates and allowing it to go forward and speaker rusty Bauers would not have any of that.

>> He was mentioned by the leader of the stop-the-steal movement in getting the process going and met with the chief of staff of trump's White House before all of this.

I mean, he's somewhat knee deep.

>> Yeah, how many Arizona politicians or party leaders have been subpoenaed at this point?

Do we, like, rank top of all of the states?

>> I don't know, but I do know Andy responses was it was a witchhunts and want to distract from the disastrous leadership and does this impact his reelection bid?

>> We'll see.

Some voters like it and him standing up for President Trump.

>> Yeah, same thing?

>> Yeah, no question he'll be re-elected.

My thought, does it affect his influence in 2024 if things calm down.

But people using it for fundraising, too.

>> Speaking of Andy Biggs, he will be on the ballot, that he and Gosar will talk to us.

>> A Supreme Court ruling that came down early to week, those three candidates, the three had been challenged as in eligible for the ballot because they helped to incite an insurrection and that case was brought against Mary mar Margorie Taylor-greene and ballots are printed and you'll see them on there.

>> And any surprise of this decision?

Because you did have Margorie Taylor-greene and Hawthorne on the other and there was a toss-up, if you will, and no-go.

>> I don't think it's surprising that the state Supreme Court followed a lower court decision and interesting that this clause of the 14th amendment, that they brought this lawsuit is a civil war era clause that was written to keep confederate officials out of government and here we are in 2022.

>> Insurrections don't happen very often.

>> Apparently not.

>> I was thinking back, we think about Barry goldwater who talked to Richard Nixon with watergate and we think about the January 6th and they're considered Rh -RBGSinos.

>> This could be the last time I say ciberninjas.

They released some but not all audit records and what happened?

>> They have been in court brought by my employer there, Arizona republic, as well Arizona as oversight for public records that the Ninjas control as a part of their job as the state senate's contractor for the audit and this fight has been going on for months, you know, fines of $50,000 a day for not turning stuff over.

And over the weekend, you know, we're releasing about 1100 records.

And not the most rivetting reading, but read, we must and a lot of it was contracts, like, templates for contracts for the subcontractors that the cyberninjas were hiring and we saw Jovan Pulitzer who we thought nothing had to do and they were promoting him as the messiah and he was the subcorroborate and Dr. Sheba hired and compared those with the register.

He quit because he wasn't getting paid.

>> I was going to say, you wrote about the fact there was some conflicts over money.

>> Oh, yeah.

Wake's technology, a firm that was hired to oversee and conduct the hand count of the ballot.

When their initial contract was up, they said wee we're out of here because they weren't being paid because it's unclear and cold unclear and they're owed $400,000.

They doubted the 2020 election and still a lot of money to be paid to these contractors.

>> And has president Karen Fann said anything about this at all?

>> Eager to see things and it's important to know that this isn't anything that the senate was -- well, the senate is obliged to turn over the records and they did.

As soon as they got them, they made them publically available which, from a public records thing, that's a good sign and these are contractors that this is a Ninj's problem, that the senate is not a part of that.

>> And anything to add on that at all?

>> I'm going to take an educated guess that this is no the last time you'll talk about cyberninjas.

[ Laughter ] >> The odds are out and waivers are in.

You wrote about a kerfluffle between Kerry lake and the McCain family.

>> The issue is Kerry lake has been on the campaign trail invoking the late senator's name and her bid for governor and by invoking, she called him a loser and last weekend claimed that he and his establishment pals were still ruling the party, including John McCain ruling it from the grave.

>> From the grave, nice!

>> Which didn't sit well with Jimmy McCain.

They had a relationship that started in 2015 and they went out for drinks and he had had her over to his house and so, you know, the words he used to be describe this -- what he saw as a shift were, you know, a betrayal of stabbed in the back by Kerry lake changing her position.

>> And Steve, I mean, Kerry lake's background and history, it's all out there in big lights and this comes up.

>> Well, I mean, I have said Donald Trump's name so many times and so sorry to do this to you, but it follows the pattern.

Where did she get that from.

Endorsed by trump and her relationship with Cindy McCain was good and speaks to where we are politically and no John McCain from the grave or otherwise, does not run the state republican party the way he used to.

Many of his allies are no longer in a position to do this and not there anymore and this smacks of OK, I'll go hard right with trump as I can.

>> Does this help in a G.O.P primary or John McCain, he's been gone for awhile now.

>> I think it reinforcing her trump bonifices and the one that stuck in trump's craw and some that weren't fans and I suppose the calculation is that this help.

>> It could >> For those McCain republicans that don't like this kind of business, it has to help her or Matt salmon, one of the two.

There there are a lot of people who still support or still like John McCain in the state.

You know, we saw a lot of republicans who after Cindy McCain endorsed Joe Biden voted for Biden and helped to swing the state and they don't get full credit and it helped and so, I think, you know, both Karen Taylor and Matt salmon have attacked lake as fake, for a variety of reasons.

She was a Democrat and I think this very much gives them another piece of ammunition to attack her in the primary.

>> Yeah, makes sense to you, Steve.

>> Could Katie Hobbs get a few republicans to cross over?

I think not.

>> Maybe loud bombastic attacks.

>> It's just me.

[ Laughter ] >> Believe me, I though.

know.

Laughter >> You guys will be involved.

>> Good conversation and good to have you all here and thanks for joining us and that is it for now and I'm Ted Simons we will have another debate and congressional district six and Mary Jo and I will be hosting that on Monday and that's it for now and thanks for joining us.

You have a great weekend!