[♪ THEME MUSIC ♪] >>> COMING UP IN THE NEXT HOUR OF LOCAL NEWS ON ARIZONA PBS.

ON "ARIZONA HORIZON," MARICOPA COUNTY SUPERVISOR TALKS ABOUT THE STATE SENATE'S ATTEMPTED AUDIT.

AND ON CRONKITE NEWS CONTINUED COVERAGE OF THAT AUDIT.

AND ON BREAK IT DOWN, THE FIGHT FOR NATIVE STUDENTS TO WEAR THEIR ORIGINAL DRESS TO GRADUATION.

THAT'S ALL COMING UP IN THE NEXT HOUR OF LOCAL NEWS ON ARIZONA PBS.

>>> GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO "ARIZONA HORIZON."

I'M TED SIMONS.

THE PHOENIX CITY COUNCIL IS SCHEDULED TO VOTE TODAY ON CREATING A CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT OFFICE TO INVESTIGATE CLAIMS OF POLICE MISCONDUCT.

THE COUNCIL VOTED DOWN THE OFFICE IN NOVEMBER.

>>> CITY COUNCIL IS ALSO SET TO DROP ITS MASK MANDATE IN PUBLIC PLACES AND CITY FACILITIES OF THE CDC RELAXED ITS IN DOOR MASK-WEARING GUIDELINES FOR VACCINATED PEOPLE.

>>> SECRETARY OF STATE KATIE HOBBS TODAY ADDRESSED THE MEDIA IN RESPONSE TO THE SENATE'S ATTEMPTED AUDIT.

AND REITERATED OUR OPPOSITION.

>> I HAVE BEEN RAISING RED FLAGS FROM THE START OF THIS PROCESS, AND NOW WE'RE FINALLY SEEING OTHERS, INCLUDING THE MARICOPA COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, AND OTHERS WHO HAVE DENOUNCED THIS AS A SHAM.

WE NEED MORE OF THIS FROM OUR LEADERS.

>> HOBBS ADDED THAT AS FAR AS SHE IS CONCERNED, WHAT IS HAPPENING AT THE COLISEUM IS NOT AN AUDIT.

>> I AM COMPELLED TO SAY AGAIN THAT WHAT WE'RE SEEING HAPPEN IS NOT AN AUDIT.

IT IS A FUND-RAISING STUNT.

JUST YESTERDAY SENATE PRESIDENT KAREN FANN SAID SHE IS GETTING CALLS FROM LEGISLATURES FROM OTHER STATES WANTING TO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING, AND HOW THEY ARE DOING, AND WE KNOW THERE ARE EFFORTS TO BRING THIS CIRCUS TO OTHER COUNTIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

>>> IT WAS REPORTED IN "THE WASHINGTON POST" THAT, WHAT SHE SAW WAS, QUOTE, STUNNING AND BIZARRE.

I HAVE NEVER SEEN ONE THIS MISMAN AGED.

>>> MUCH OF THE ATTENTION IS FOCUSED ON THE SENATE'S ATTEMPTED AUDIT, LEADERS HAVE COME UP WITH A STATE BUDGET PLAN THAT CALLS FOR A FLAT TAX.

A NUMBER OF LAWMAKERS ARE STILL LOOKING FORKED ADY SHUPAL SPENDING.

CAPITOL HILL, THE HOUSE VOTED TO ESTABLISH A INDEPENDENT BIPARTISAN COMMISSION TO INVESTIGATION THE JANUARY 6TH RIOT AT THE U.S. CAPITOL.

AS FOR THE SENATE, THE REPUBLICAN LEADER THERE PLANS TO VOTE KNOW, AND DEMOCRATS NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT.

>> I HAVE MADE THE DECISION TO OPPOSE THE DEMOCRAT'S SLANTED AND UNBALANCED PROPOSAL.

>> AT THE 11TH HOUR, THE HOUSE REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP TURNED TAIL THREW ITS OWN NEGOTIATORS UNDER THE BUS.

ONCE AGAIN THEY ARE CATERING TO DONALD TRUMP.

>> THIS OPPOSITION COMES AFTER DONALD TRUMP URGED REPUBLICANS TO OPPOSE THE COMMISSION UNLESS IT INCLUDES MURDERS, AND FIRE BOMBING IN CITIES RUN BY DEMOCRATS.

>>> THE SENATE'S ATTEMPTED AUDIT OF MARICOPA COUNTY BALLOTS IS ON PAUSE DUE TO GRADUATION CEREMONIES CEREMONIES.

BUT THE FIGHT RAGES ON.

EARLIER TODAY WE SPOKE WITH THE SUPERVISOR.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

YOU AND YOUR FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS DID NOT APPEAR AT YESTERDAY'S ACCEPT NATE HEARING AS REQUESTED BY THE SENATE PARTICIPATE.

WHY?

>> TED, IT IS GOOD TO BE WITH YOU.

IT WAS A JOINT DECISION, AND ONE THAT I THINK WAS TRYING TO SEND THE MESSAGE THAT ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

YOU HAVE KNOWN ME FOR A LONG TIME, AND I THINK WE HAVE COME TO A PLACE IN TIME WHERE THIS ISN'T AN AUDIT.

IT'S TURNING INTO A MOCKERY.

AND YESTERDAY'S DECLINING OF ATTENDING THAT MEETING WAS TRYING TO SEND THAT MESSAGE LOUD AND CLEAR.

>> THE SENATE PRESIDENT SAYS SHE JUST WANTS TO HEAR FROM YOU PERSONALLY, BECAUSE SHE WANTS ANSWERS.

DOES SHE HAVE A POINT?

>> I DON'T BLAME HER FOR WANTING ANSWERS.

AND I CONSIDER MYSELF A FRIEND AND LIKE KAREN FANN VERY MUCH, BUT WHAT IS COMING OUT OF THIS AUDITING TEAM IS NOTHING BUT ACCUSATION AFTER ACCUSATION.

WE SAW THAT LAST WEEK.

AGAIN, I WILL TELL YOU, I HAVE SUPPORTED AN AUDIT MANY TIMES, AND I SUPPORTED COOPERATION WITH THE SENATE, BUT WHAT CAME OUT LATE LAST WEEK ABOUT US CONDUCTING CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, AND JUMPING THE SHARK AS MY 12-YEAR-OLD WILL TELL YOU, TED, THAT WAS JUST TOO MUCH, AND I THINK WE RESPONDED THE WAY WE SHOULD HAVE, VERY DIRECTLY AND VERY ACCURATELY IN GETTING THE FACTS ON THE TABLE, AND I THINK THAT THEY SHOULD LOOK AT THAT, AND THEY ARE.

YOU SAW THAT IN YESTERDAY'S HEARING WHERE MAGICALLY THEY FOUND THESE FILES.

THE FILES WERE NEVER GONE.

THEY WERE THERE.

WE HAD TO GUIDE THEM TO THEM.

>> THEY ARE ALSO CLAIMING THAT THE BOARD IS REFUSING TO HAND OVER PASSWORDS TO EQUIPMENT.

IS THAT TRUE?

>> THE OLD ADAGE IS, I CAN'T GIVE YOU SOMETHING I DON'T HAVE.

THERE IS PROPRIETARY INFORMATION THAT PEOPLE DON'T SHARE WITH THEIR CLIENTS.

AND WE CAN'T GIVE THEM TO THEM.

AND WE HAVE SENT THEM TO DOMINION TO ASK FOR THEM.

>> REGARDING ANOTHER ACCUSATION CLAIM HERE.

DID THE COUNTRY IMPROPERLY HANDLE AND STORE BALLOT BAGS, BALLOTS IN GENERAL, PREAUDIT?

>> NO, WE DIDN'T.

AND WHAT IS IRONIC HERE, YOU CAN CALL IT IRONY OR CONTRADICTION.

IF IF YOU LOOK ANOTHER THE CHAIN OF COMMAND THAT WAS SIGNED OVER TO KEN BENNETT, THEY CAME OUT OF A VAULT THAT WAS PROPERLY WATCHED AND SECURITIZED, AS WELL AS THE WHOLE FUNDAMENTAL PREMISE AS TO HOW WE HAD A CHAIN OF COMMAND.

THE WHOLE PROCESS WAS FOLLOWED TO THE LETTER.

AND NOW I ASK, WHERE ARE THE BALLOTS TODAY IN ARE THEY IN A STORE AGE ROOM AT THE VETERANS' MEMORIAL COLISEUM WHILE GRADUATIONS WILL TAKING PLACE.

THE CHAIN OF COMMAND WAS DONE BY PROPER PROCEDURES UP UNTIL THEY WERE HANDED OVER TO KEN BENNETT.

THE QUESTION NOW IS WHERE ARE THEY NOW, AND HOW SECURE ARE THEY NOW?

WE HAD CAMERAS ON OUR VAULT WHERE THEY WERE SECURE.

I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT SECURITY MEASURES ARE AT THE COLISEUM, AND DO THEY HAVE THAT CAPACITY THERE?

I SERIOUSLY DOUBT THEY DO.

SO WITH ALL DO RESPECT, I SIMPLY SUGGEST BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU ARE ASKING FOR HERE.

BECAUSE I BET YOU THE CHAIN OF COMMAND IS FAR LESS SECURE THAN WHEN WE DELIVERED THE BALLOTS.

>> WHAT DO YOU THINK IS REALLY GOING ON HERE?

THE SENATE PRESIDENT SAYS SHE IS JUST RESPONDING TO CONSTITUENT CONCERNS.

ARE YOU GETTING CONCERNS TOO?

>> I DO.

WE'RE GETTING THREATS AND APPLAUSE, AND I DON'T BELIEVE SENATOR FANN IS A BAD PERSON.

AND I UNDERSTAND SHE IS LISTENING TO OUR CONSTITUENCY, BUT I ALSO THINK THERE'S A TIME AND PLACE WHERE YOU ARE ELECTED TO MAKE GOOD JUDGMENT, AND MAKE GOOD DECISIONS, AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE NEEDED TO HAVE AUDITS.

WE HAVE CONDUCTED THEM.

BUT I THINK WHERE WE ARE TODAY, THIS SEEMS TO BE SOME SORT OF A HUNT FOR DATA THAT IS NOT THERE.

THERE HAS BEEN CONTRADICTS ONE THESE AUDITORS AND THESE TEAMS.

NOW IT'S EVERY ELECTION.

YOU HAD ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT LOST THE ELECTION IN THE ROOM TABULATING.

I JUST THINK IT LOOKS BAD WHEN YOU DO THAT, AND I CAN UNDERSTAND SENATOR FANN WANTING TO RESPOND TO OUR CONSTITUENCY, BUT I THINK THERE MIGHT BE A BETTER WAY TO DO THAT.

>> AND LAST QUESTION, SUPERVISOR, WE HAVE SPOKE MANY TIMES OVER THE YEARS.

YOU SEEM PRETTY TICKED OFF ABOUT THIS.

AM I READING YOU RIGHT?

>> I THINK THERE'S FATIGUE IS WHAT THIS IS, TED.

WE WORKED TO CREATE A REFLECTION OF WHAT ELECTIONS SHOULD BE, AND IT WENT VERY WELL, SO I GUESS MY FRUSTRATION IS, SURE, WE WERE VERY PROACTIVITY TRYING TO CREATE AN EFFICIENT, NIMBLE ELECTIONS DEPARTMENT, AND ALL OF THAT GOT LOST BECAUSE OF CONSPIRACY THEORIES.

I BELIEVE THAT ONE'S RIGHT TO VOTE IS SACK ARE SANK, AND I'LL CONTINUE TO PROTECT THAT RIGHT.

BUT THERE IS FATIGUE WITH HOW THIS AUDIT HAS BEEN DONE, THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE HEARING IN MY VOICE.

>> SUPERVISOR, THANK YOU.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

>> ALWAYS GOOD TO BE WITH YOU, TED.

JTSZ THINK-- >>> THE SENATE'S ATTEMPTED AUDIT HAS MADE FOR HARSH WORDS, SO WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE?

PANEL, GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE.

THANKS SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

CHUCK, WE'LL START WITH YOU.

WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE REPUBLICAN PARTY?

>> WELL, IT'S ARIZONA, TED.

WE HAVE HAD THESE INCIDENTS BEFORE OUT HERE, YOU KNOW?

BY THE VISAGE OF MY HAIR, WE HAVE HAD A PLETHORA OF CRAZY OPPORTUNITIES, BUT THIS ONE IS UNIQUE IN SOME WAYS, FUELLED BY THE INTERNET, AND FUELLED BY THE REALLY DENSE PARTISAN NATURE OF THIS CONFLICT.

IT'S NOT -- IT SEEMS A BIT UNHINGED.

>> IS THIS A MICROCOSM OF WHAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS SEEING NATIONALLY.

WE'RE SEEING BLIND LOYALTY TO ONE MAN, ARE WE NOT?

>> YES, THIS IS BIGGER THAN ARIZONA.

BUT AS CHUCK SAID, THIS IS POLITICS WHEN IT COMES TO THIS DIVIDE, BUT NOW THE DIFFERENCE IS THE DONALD TRUMP FACTOR THAT THEY HAVE THIS NATIONAL, EVEN INTERNATIONAL FIGURE THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO LATCH ON TO, AND I THINK WHAT MAKES IT MORE DANGEROUS THIS TIME AROUND IS WHAT IS BEING LITIGATED WITH THIS AUDIT THAT IS HAPPENING, IS IT'S BASICALLY THE INTEGRITY OF OUR ELECTION SYSTEM, WHICH IS VERY FRIGHTENING.

AND IT'S NOT GOOD FOR REPUBLICANS MOVING FORWARD.

>> HOW DO REPUBLICANS SQUARE THIS THOUGH TO THOSE THAT ARE FOR THE SO-CALLED AUDIT AND FOR DONALD TRUMP?

THE ELECTION PROCESS IS A SHAM.

BY THE WAY, I'M RUNNING.

VOTE FOR ME?

>> YEAH, THEY HAVE GOT TO GET OFF OF THAT SCRIPT, BECAUSE WHILE A MAJORITY OF REPUBLICANS BELIEVE THERE'S FRAUD, THAT DOES NOT REPRESENT THE MAJORITY OF THE AFFILIATE.

AND EVEN IT'S IN THE 70S OF REPUBLICANS.

SO YOU ARE NOT HOLDING THE 85 TO 90% OF YOUR OWN PARTY.

I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT REPUBLICANS ABOUT THE DARK MONEY ISSUE.

THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT ELECTORAL REFORM ISSUE THAT HAS BEEN ON THE BALLOT BEFORE.

IT'S GOING TO ATTEMPT TO BE ON THE BALLOT AGAIN.

IT GOES TO THE VERY ISSUE OF I DON'T KNOW WHO IS PAYING FOR OUR ELECTIONS, NOBODY KNOWS.

THAT'S SIGNIFICANT.

I HAVEN'T GOT A LOT OF TAKERS ON THAT, BUT IT IS AN IDEA.

>> YEAH, I GOT IT.

IF YOU ARE RUNNING FOR OFFICE, WE HAVE KIMBERLY YEE, AND KAREN TAYLOR ROBSON, BOTH REPUBLICANS, BOTH SAY THEY WANT TO BE GOVERNOR.

TREASURY YEE CAME OUT AND IMMEDIATELY THROUGH HER ALIGNMENT WITH DONALD TRUMP.

BUT IF YOU ARE RUNNING FOR OFFICE, WHAT DO YOU DO?

>> IT'S NOT EASY.

REPUBLICANS HAVE ALWAYS HAD TO THREAD THE NAIL WHEN IT COMES TO A PRIMARY, AND THEN PIVOT WHEN IT COMES TO A GENERAL.

IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN OBVIOUS.

I THINK MOST REPUBLICANS WERE HOPEFUL THAT WHEN PRESIDENT TRUMP LOST, HE WOULD JUST RIDE INTO THE SUNSET AND BE QUIET, BUT THAT IS NOT THE REALITY OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES, AND HE IS STILL POPULAR WITH HIS BASE, UNFORTUNATELY, SO IT'S A QUESTION OF HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET THE NUMBERS?

AND EVERYONE DOES THEIR CALCULOUS DIFFERENTLY.

AND IT LOOKS LIKE YEE IS GOING TO ALIGN THAT IN ORDER TO TRY TO BE A VICTOR.

AND SO IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE DEPENDANT ON HOW MANY PEOPLE JUMP IN THE RACE, BUT THEY ARE REALLY GOING TO HAVE TO THREAD THE NEEDLE IF THEY ARE GOING TO BE VICTORIOUS.

>> WHAT LAUREN IS SAYING IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE.

I HAVE NEVER SEEN THIS IN MY LIFETIME OUT HERE, WHERE WE HAVE -- FOUR, MAYBE, REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES FOR GOVERNOR THAT ARE LIKELY.

YOU MAY HAVE FIVE CANDIDATES FOR SECRETARY OF STATE.

YOU MAY HAVE FIVE CANDIDATES FOR ATTORNEY GENERAL.

SO FOR SOMEBODY WHO GOES FULL TRUMP MODE IN THE PRIMARIES, IF YOU CAN GRAB A QUARTER OF THOSE VOTERS BECAUSE YOU ARE THE TRUMPIEST TRUMP GUY, THEN YOU ARE PROBABLY POSITIONING YOURSELF FOR A PRIMARY WIN, BUT YOU ARE GOING TO FACE AN ELECTORATE IN THE GENERAL WHERE YOU LOSE.

SO THAT HAS TO BE ON EVERYBODY'S MIND, IS HOW DO YOU NAVIGATE YOURSELF -- GRANTED THIS IS AN ANNOUNCEMENT, BUT THEN YOU HAVE THE BIDEN AGENDA WITH THIS GIANT COVID RELIEF PLAN, EXPLOSIVE AMOUNT OF GROWTH ON THE DEFICIT, RISING INFLATION, OF COURSE IN ARIZONA THE BORDER IS BACK.

YOU HAVE LOTS OF ISSUES THAT THEY COULD GO TO.

IT'S A MATTER OF MOVING AWAY FROM THIS AND BEING SUCCESSFULLY RECRUITING A MAJORITY OF THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY TO BE WITH YOU.

>> BUBA -- BUT DONALD TRUMP IS NOT GOING TO STOP TALKING ABOUT PUSHING.

WE SAW WHAT HAPPENED TODAY ON CAPITOL HILL.

LAST NIGHT HE SAID GROW A SPINE MITCH McCONNELL, AND MITCH McCONNELL REVERSED HIS POSITION TODAY.

HE STILL HOLDS SUCH SWAY.

>> YOU ARE RIGHT.

HE IS NOT GOING AWAY, AND HE IS NOT GOING TO BE SILENT, AND AS WE HAVE SEEN, HE WILL ATTACK ANY REPUBLICANS WHO ARE NOT FALLING IN LINE WITH HIM.

BUT THE AUDIT CONVERSATION HAS TO MOVE ON.

THE 2020 ELECTION IS DONE AND OVER WITH.

THEY NEED TO FOCUS ON THE ISSUES IF THEY WANT TO BE SUCCESSFUL IN THE NEXT ELECTION.

AND PRESIDENT BIDEN IS TAKING ON A MORE AGGRESSIVE AGENDA, WHICH OPENS UP A HUGE OPPORTUNITY FOR REPUBLICANS TO CAPITALIZE ON, BUT THIS AUDIT IS GETTING IN THE WAY.

WE'RE STARTING TO SEE THIS WITH THE COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, AND I'M HOPING ADDITIONAL REPUBLICANS WILL DO THAT AS WELL, SO THEY CAN MOVE ON AND FOCUS ON THE MORE IMPORTANT TOPICS.

>> REAL QUICKLY.

>> THAT'S A GIANT PIVOT POINT WITH WHAT HAPPENED YESTERDAY.

YOU HAVE -- THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, SOME OF WHICH YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE ON THE SHOW, THAT HAVE TALKED ABOUT COMPLETE -- COMPLETE STAND-OFF -- THIS IS A STANDOFF.

SO THEY ARE GOING TO HOLD THE LINE, AND THEIR CAREERS MAY BE AT RISK BECAUSE OF IT, BUT THERE WILL BE PEOPLE THAT WILL POINT TO THEM, AND THAT'S THE GREAT THING ABOUT ARIZONA AS WE GO CRAZY ARIZONA TO, AND WE ALSO HAVE THESE REMARKABLE COURAGE AMONGST ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT WILL HOLD ON TO WHAT THEY BELIEVE THE TRUTH IS.

AND I THINK THAT'S FUN TO WATCH.

>> EXCELLENT CONVERSATION.

THANK YOU BOTH FOR JOINING US.

>> THANKS, TED.

>>> SEDONA IS A WORLD-RENOWNED HOT SPOT FOR TOURISM, BUT SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN THE CITY ARE CRUSHING THE HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY, LARGELY BECAUSE AIRBNBS ARE MAKING RENTALS MORE EXPENSIVE.

>> HI, STEVE, SO THERE ARE BEAUTIFUL TOURIST DESTINATIONS ALL OVER THE U.S. THAT ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE SAME THING.

THEY SAY THEY ARE OVERRUN WITH SHORT TIMERS.

BUT YOU SAY SEDONA'S SITUATION IS WORSE, BECAUSE THE STATE LAW THAT PROHIBITS THE LOCAL COMMUNITY FROM REGULATING SHORT-TERM RENTALS LIKE AIRBNB.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN?

>> YES, GOVERNOR DUCEY DECIDED HE WAS GOING TO FREE UP CITIZENS FROM THE TIERNEY OF LOCAL ORDINANCES, AND THE IDEA WAS HE WAS GOING TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO RENT OUT A ROOM, AND HE THOUGHT BY GETTING RID OF LOCAL RESTRICTIONS, ZONING AND CITY OVERSIGHT, PEOPLE COULD RENT A ROOM OUT AND MAKE EXTRA MONEY.

SO HE CAME UP WITH THE IDEA THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE IN JANUARY OF 2017, THAT BASICALLY SAID, LOCAL AUTHORITIES HAVE NO JURISDICTION OVERNIGHTLY RENTALS, NONE, ZERO.

>> AND WHAT HAS HAPPENED AS A RESULT?

>> SO WHAT HAPPENED WAS -- IS THAT PEOPLE DECIDED THAT THEY COULD RENT OUT THEIR HOUSE, TWO OR THREE BEDROOMS, AND MAKE A LOT MORE MONEY ON A NIGHTLY BASIS THAN RENTING IT LONG TERM, SAY FOR A MONTH AT 13 OR $1,400.

SEDONA IS INTERESTING.

A LOT OF PEOPLE OWN HOMES HERE FROM BACK EAST, AND THEY WERE RENTING THEM OUT AND THEY WERE GOING TO RETIRE HERE.

AND THEY WERE RENTING THEM OUT ON A MONTHLY BASIS.

THOSE PEOPLE ALL GOT KICKED OUT.

AND AIRBNB TOOK OVER AND NIGHTLY RENTALS CAME IN, AND IT WAS VERY PROFITABLE.

AND THEN THE LOCAL REALTORS SAID YOU CAN BUY A HOME IN SEDONA, AND WE'LL RENT IT OUT FOR YOU, AND IT WILL MAKE MOST OF YOUR PAYMENTS.

SO ALL OF A SUDDEN IN THE LAST YEAR, HOME PRICES IN SEDONA GONE UP 40%.

>> WHAT IS THE MEDIAN PRICE?

>> ABOUT $800,000.

>> A LOT OF THE PEOPLE WHO SERVICE THE ECONOMY, TEACHERS, WAITERS, GUIDES, CANNOT FIND AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

>> WE HAVE LOST ABOUT A THOUSAND HOMES, AND THOSE WERE ALL FIREFIGHTERS, POLICEMAN, AND TEACHER, AND THEY HAVE ALL LOST THEIR HOMES.

AND MANY ARE NOW LIVING OUT ON 525 IN TRAILERS.

AND THOSE HOMES THEY WERE LIVING IN WITH THEIR CHILDREN, WE NOW HAVE A SHORTAGE OF THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN WHO ATTEND SCHOOLS.

AND WE GET FUNDING FOR THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN WHO ATTEND SCHOOLS.

SO NOW THEY ARE DRIVING 30, 40 MILES IN AND OUT EVERY DAY.

THEIR CHILDRENS AREN'T GOING TO THE LOCAL SCHOOLS, SO THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS ARE SUFFERING, AND THE LOCAL CITIZENS ARE UP SET, BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC HAS JUST GONE CRAZY.

>> WHAT DO YOU SAY TO PEOPLE WHO WANT AIRBNB?

YOU ARE NOT AGAINST IT, ARE YOU?

>> NOT AT ALL.

IN FACT I OWN TWO AIR B&BS THAT I HAVE OWNED FOR A LONG TIME.

WE WERE LOOKING FOR SOME TYPE OF SENSIBILITY.

THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT KNOWS THE AREAS.

WE WERE WORKING WITH THE CITY ON A PLAN FOR AIRBNB'S.

WE WERE LOOKING AT RENTING A ROOM OUT WHERE THE OWNER STAYED IN THE HOUSE, AND RENTING A ROOM OUT ON THE SIDE.

THERE ARE NO PARTIES, NO TROUBLE, BECAUSE WE KNOW WE HAD AN OWNER IN PLACE.

BUT THEN THEY WERE OVERRIDDEN BY 1350 WHERE THERE WERE NO RESTRICTIONS.

THE CITY OF SEDONA CAN'T EVEN ASK FOR A BUSINESS LICENSE.

THEY CAN'T ASK WHERE THESE AIRBNB'S ARE.

THEY HAVE KNOW WAY OF KNOWING WHO PAYS TAXES AND WHO DOESN'T PAY TAXES.

>> WHY ISN'T THIS A BIG PROBLEM IN OTHER TOURIST -- >> WELL, IT'S INTERESTING -- >> -- SCOTTSDALE, TUCSON.

>> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

THE CITY COUNCIL HAS NO JURISDICTION OVER SHORT-TERM HOUSING, BUT AN HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION DOES HAVE AUTHORITY TO NOT ALLOW OVERNIGHT RENTALS.

MOST AFFLUENT COMMUNITIES HAVE HOA'S LIKE IN SCOTTSDALE AND PARADISE VALLEY, AND THERE IS JUST A COUPLE IN SEDONA.

SO YOU HAVE THIS SYSTEM OF RICH GATED COMMUNITIES THAT ARE PROTECTED, AND YOU HAVE EVERYBODY ELSE THAT HAS TURNED INTO A FREE FOR ALL.

>> AND IN THE MEANTIME, IF YOU WANT TO GO TO SEDONA FOR THE WEEKEND, MAKE SURE YOU BOOK WELL AHEAD OF TIME.

STEVE, I SUSPECT WE WILL BE BACK TO TALK ABOUT THIS MORE IN THE FUTURE.

THANKS VERY MUCH FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>>> AND THAT IS IT FOR NOW.

I'M TED SIMONS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING.

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