[♪ THEME MUSIC ♪] >>> COMING UP IN THE NEXT HOUR OF LOCAL NEWS ON ARIZONA PBS, ON "ARIZONA HORIZON," CONGRESSMAN TOM O'HALLERAN TALKS ABOUT THE LATEST EFFORTS TO COME UP WITH A NEW INFRASTRUCTURE BILL.

AND HOW POLICE OFFICERS STEPPING UP TO TEACH YOUTH SPORTS COULD CREATE MORE TRUST IN THE COMMUNITY.

AND ON BREAK IT DOWN, GENDER EQUALITY IN THE MUSIC INDUSTRY.

>>> GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO "ARIZONA HORIZON," I'M TED SIMONS.

GOVERNOR DUCEY TODAY ISSUED AN EXECUTIVE ORDER TO PREVENT ASU FROM REQUIRING UNVACCINATED STUDENTS TO AMONG OTHER THINGS WEAR MASKS ON CAMPUS.

THE UNIVERSITIES SAY IT IS FOLLOWING CDC GUIDELINES.

THE GOVERNOR CALLED IT, QUOTE, BAD POLICY WITH NO BASIS IN PUBLIC HEALTH AND SOCIAL ENGINEERING AT ITS WORST.

STUDENTS AT ARIZONA'S PUBLIC UNIVERSITIES AND COMMUNITY COLLEGES CAN'T BE MANDATED TO BE TESTED OR WEAR MASKS, AND THEY CAN'T BE MANDATED TO GET COVID-19 VACCINES.

THE GOVERNOR ADDS WE'LL BE WORKING WITH THE LEGISLATURE TO TURN THAT ORDER INTO LAW.

>>> THE U.S. HIT 600,000 DEATHS FROM THE COVID-19.

ADDING THEY COUNTED MORE THAN 33 MILLION CASES OF COVID SINCE LATE FEBRUARY OF 2020.

>>> 11 STATES HAVE NOW FULLY VACCINATED MORE THAN HALF OF THEIR RESIDENTS, AND THOSE STATES ARE ALL REPORTING FAR FEWER CASES THAN THE NATIONAL AVERAGE.

IN CONTRAST NINE STATES HAVE VACCINATED FEWER THAN 35% OF THEIR RESIDENTS AND THOSE STATES REPORT CASES SIX TIMES HIGHER THAN THE NATIONAL AVERAGE.

ARIZONA'S RATE IS 6% BELOW THE NATIONAL AVERAGE.

>>> A FLIGHT WITH JOHNSON & JOHNSON VACCINES ARRIVED TODAY IN MEXICO.

THE PRESIDENT OF MEXICO EXPRESSED THANKS FOR THE SHIPMENT.

>>> OTHER NEWS, THE ARIZONA LEGISLATURE TODAY CONVENED A SPECIAL SESSION TO ADDRESS WILDFIRES IN THE STATE.

THE SESSION IS SCHEDULED TO RUN FOR THREE DAYS AND WILL SPEND AN EXTRA $1 MILLION.

THERE ARE THREE MAJOR FIRES IN THE STATE RIGHT NOW WITH CLOSE TO 200,000 ACRES BURNED >>> IN ECONOMIC NEWS, ANOTHER INDICATION THAT INFLATION IS ON THE RISE BIG TIME.

THE PRICE INDEX JUMPED .8% IN MAY, THAT MAKES FOR A 6.6% INCREASE SINCE LAST MAY, AND THAT'S THE BIGGEST 12-MONTH HIKE IN 11 YEARS.

ECONOMISTS SAY IT IS ALL DO TO RISING DEMAND AND RESULTING SUPPLY CHAIN SHORTAGES.

REPUBLICANS, THOUGH, BLAME THE PRESIDENT.

>> WE HAVE MILLIONS OF JOB OPENINGS, AND PRESIDENT BIDEN WANTS TO PAY PEOPLE NOT TO WORK.

IT IS ONE OF THE REASONS FAMILIES ARE PAYING MORE.

USED CARS TODAY ARE UP 30%.

AND PRESIDENT BIDEN ISN'T CONFRONTING ANY OF THESE.

I WISH WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY OF THESE CRISES.

>>> RETAIL SALES FELL 1.3% LAST MONTH.

BUT ECONOMISTS SAY THE BROADER RECOVERY IS STILL ON TRACK.

>>> CONGRESS CONTINUES TO TRY TO FIND A COMPROMISE ON A BIPARTISAN INFRASTRUCTURE BILL THAT ADDRESSES THE NATION'S BRIDGES, ROADS, PIPES, PORTS AND INTERNET.

THERE ARE EIGHT INFRASTRUCTURE PROPOSALS FLYING AROUND.

NONE OF WHICH HAVE ENOUGH VOTES TO PASS.

WE TALK ABOUT WITH THIS CONGRESSMAN TOM O'HALLERAN.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE IT.

AS WE TALK INFRASTRUCTURE HERE WHERE DOES THE HOUSE STAND ON -- I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY INFRASTRUCTURE BILLS ARE FLOATING AROUND OUT THERE.

>> WE'RE TRYING TO FIND COMMON GROUND, AND THAT'S A HARD PROCESS TO GO THROUGH RIGHT NOW.

WE HAVE THE PRESIDENT'S PLAN.

WE HAVE A PLAN THAT'S INITIALLY, IN THE HOUSE AT LEAST, THEY WENT ALONG WITH THE PRESIDENT'S PLAN.

THAT WAS THEN.

THIS IS A NEW TIME AS YOU HAVE SEEN HIM AND THE REPUBLICANS CHANGE OVER TIME, AND WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO BRING PARTIES TOGETHER.

BECAUSE WE WANT THIS BILL TO HAVE A LIFE, AND IF YOU ONLY HAVE A LIFE FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS AND A NEW MAJORITY COMES IN AND SAYS WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF THAT MONEY AWAY, THAT'S NOT GOOD.

AND IF WE DON'T GET IT DONE NOW, IT IS GOING TO COST A LOT MORE LATER.

SO IT IS CRITICAL.

>> AS FAR AS RURAL ARIZONA IS CONCERNED, NAVAJO, HOPI COMMUNITIES, HOW BIG OF DEAL IS THIS?

>> IT'S A GOOD ENOUGH DEAL THAT WE CAN GET A LOT OF WORK DONE UP THERE.

THEY HAVE GOT THE PROTECTION -- NOT PROTECTION -- THE PLAN WE JUST PUT OUT THERE AND MONEY IN THE BANK ALREADY.

THEY ARE GOING TO DO SOME OF THAT WORK WITH THAT MONEY.

THE NAVAJO GOT $1.8 BILLION, AND THEY ARE GOING TO START TO DEAL WITH THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT THEY NEED MORE, AND OUR -- OUR SMALL TOWNS AND CITIES AND THOSE HIGHWAYS THAT GO THROUGH THERE, I RIDE THEM A LOT, AND, YEAH, IT'S JUST -- IT'S LIKE A RUMBLE STREET.

IT'S NOT GOOD FOR AMERICA.

THAT'S ALL OVER TOO, BY THE WAY.

>> AS FAR AS THE PRESIDENT'S ORIGINAL PLAN I THINK IT WAS $2.3 TRILLION, THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN CUT IN HALF.

THE PROBLEM SOLVER'S CAUCUS, OF WHICH YOU ARE A PART, WHERE DO YOU STAND WITH THAT AS OPPOSED TO THESE OTHER IDEAS?

>> WHERE I STAND WITH THAT IS FOR WHAT IT IS.

IT'S OUT THERE TO SHOW THAT PEOPLE CAN WORK IN A BIPARTISAN FASHION IN CONGRESS, AND THAT WE DO COME UP WITH OTHER IDEAS, AND IT'S IN THE MIDDLE GROUND OF WHERE THE REPUBLICANS ARE AND THE PRESIDENT IS.

SO WE WANT TO DRAW ONE PARTY TO GET SOMEWHERE CLOSE TO THAT, AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST FOR RAW INFRASTRUCTURE.

>> OKAY.

WHEN YOU JUST FOR RAW INFRASTRUCTURE.

DOES THAT MEAN NO CHILD CARE OR HEALTHCARE?

BECAUSE A LOT OF REPUBLICANS DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT IN A INFRASTRUCTURE BILL.

>> THOSE ARE NOT ON THERE.

EVEN RIGHT NOW TALKING ABOUT THE PRESIDENT'S NEGOTIATIONS.

AND WE'LL START TO WORK ON IT, BUT WE HAVE TO GET PEOPLE JOBS.

FAMILIES NEED JOBS TO ADDRESS THE NEEDS OF THEIR CHILDREN.

AND THEY ALSO -- THEIR FUTURE, AND WE WANT THAT TO OCCUR.

AND THESE ARE GOOD-PAYING JOBS.

>> CONGRESSMEN SOME OF YOUR DEMOCRATIC COLLEAGUES, ESPECIALLY IN THE HOUSE, THEY SAY AS I MENTIONED THE PRESIDENT'S PLAN ALREADY CUT IN HALF.

WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THEM WHEN THEY SAY CHILD CARE, HEALTH CARE SPENDING, THESE SHOULD ALL BE INCLUDED IN A INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN?

>> THOSE ARE ALL ISSUES I HAVE BEEN A PRO OPPONENT -- PRO OPPONENT OF FOR A LONG TIME.

BUT WE HAVE TO GET SOMETHING DONE.

AND I THINK THE PRESIDENT AND OTHERS WITHIN THE DEMOCRATIC STRUCTURE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE AT LEAST GET THIS PHYSICAL PART OF THE PROCESS DONE.

CHILD CARE, WE NEED SOMEBODY TO TAKE CARE OF THE CHILDREN, BECAUSE WE WANT THEM WORKING, THE SINGLE MOTHERS, SINGLE FATHERS.

WE WANT HEALTHCARE THAT IS AGGRESSIVE, AND DO A BETTER JOB THAN IT HAS TODAY, WHETHER IT'S INDIAN HEALTHCARE OR THE HEALTHCARE OF OUR CITIZENS, AND ARIZONA HAS A LOT OF CITIZENS ON MEDICAID.

>> AS FAR AS THE GAS TAX IS CONCERNED, THERE IS A CONCERN THAT WITH ELECTRIC VEHICLES COMING.

THEY ARE OUT THERE, AND THEY ARE GETTING MORE POPULAR ALL THE TIME, THAT SOMETHING IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE DONE WITH THE GAS TAX, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE ELECTRIC VEHICLES AREN'T GOING TO BE PAYING THEIR WAY.

>> I BELIEVE WE'LL SQUARE THAT BY -- FIRST OF ALL, FAIRNESS IS AN ISSUE.

MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN MY DISTRICT THAT LIVE IN RURAL AREAS, AND THAT IS MOST OF THEM IN THE TRIBAL LANDS, THEY MIGHT DRIVE 50, 100 MILES TO GET TO WORK AND BACK HOME, AND THEY CHEW THAT MONEY UP VERY FAST, SO WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS MAYBE A FORMULA OR SOMETHING, BUT WE HAVE TO GET MONEY FOR THE ROADS >> AND CONGRESSMAN OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE IN THE HOUSE, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE SENATE FROM WHERE YOU ARE, AND YOU KNOW IT'S REALLY TROUBLESOME TO GET ENOUGH VOTES FOR THIS.

IS IT HEADED FOR RECONCILIATION WHERE YOU WON'T NEED THAT 60-VOTES.

>> THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS MORE AND MORE LIKELY THE OUTCOME.

THE REPUBLICANS STARTED LOW, AND HAVE COME UP TO A CERTAIN LEVEL, AND THEY HAVE BEEN STEADY THERE.

I REMEMBER DURING THE PANDEMIC, THEY WENT ALMOST EIGHT MONTHS BEFORE THEY APPROVED A BILL.

WE HAVE TO GET AMERICA MOVING.

>> ALL RIGHT.

LAST QUESTION, ARE WE GOING TO GET AN INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN MOVING?

DO YOU SEE SOMETHING COMING OUT OF THIS?

OR AM I GOING TO BE ASKING YOU THESE SAME QUESTIONS SIX MONTHS FROM NOW.

>> I THINK SOMETHING WILL COME OUT OF IT.

>> CONGRESSMAN TOM O'HALLERAN THANK YOU SIR, WE APPROPRIATE YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU.

TAKE IT EASY, TED.

>>> AND UP NEXT, WHAT TO EXPECT FROM THIS YEAR'S MONSOON.

>>> THE BIG SUMMER HEAT IS HERE, AND THAT MEANS THE MONSOON SHOULDN'T BE TOO FAR OFF.

INDEED TODAY IS THE OFFICIAL START OF THE MONSOON IN ARIZONA.

WE ASKED A CLIMATOLOGIST IF THIS YEAR WE'LL ACTUALLY SEE RAIN.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

AND THIS SEEMS LIKE A REALLY EARLY TIME TO OFFICIALLY START THE RAINY SEASON.

>> YEAH, IT'S A LITTLE BIT PROBLEMATIC IN THAT NEW-COMERS PARTICULARLY, SUDDENLY EXPECT US TO HAVE THUNDERSTORMS.

WE WON'T HAVE THUNDERSTORMS HERE IN THE VALLEY FOR ANOTHER THREE WEEKS, SO KEEP THAT IN MIND.

THE REASON YES SET THIS AS JUNE 15TH AS THE START, IS KIND OF LIKE THEY HAVE DONE WITH HURRICANE SEASON.

THEY WANT TO GIVE TIME TO GET PEOPLE AWARE THAT IT IS COMING, AND IN THE PAST WHEN WE USED THOUGH OLD TRADITIONAL METHOD OF LOOKING AT DEW POINTS, EVERYBODY HONED IN ON THE DEW POINTS AND FORGOT ABOUT THE SAFETY.

>> YEAH, IT USED TO BE, WHAT THREE STRAIGHT DAYS OF OVER 55 DEW POINT.

>> THAT IS STILL THE TECHNICAL DEFINITION THAT WE METEOROLOGISTS USE.

>> THESE CRAZY TEMPERATURES, 117, 118, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THOSE IN ORDER TO GET A MONSOON, CORRECT?

>> YEAH, IT SEEMS KIND OF COUNTER INTUITIVE.

BUT HOT AIR RISES, SO IF WE HAVE REALLY, REALLY HOT AIR OVER THE DESERTS, THAT LIFTS UP OFF OF THE GROUND AND PULLS MOISTURE FROM THE GULF OF CALIFORNIA AND THE PACIFIC OCEAN, AND IT IS THAT MOISTURE THAT IS ACTUALLY THE MONSOON.

>> INTERESTING.

WE HAVE A GRAPHIC HERE.

WHY ARE WHICH LOOKING AT THIS, AND WHAT IS THIS TELLING YOU?

>> THIS IS SOMETHING THAT METEOROLOGISTS ARE LOOKING AT ERE DAY HERE IN ARIZONA.

BECAUSE WE WANT TO SEE WHERE IS THE MONSOON NOW?

AND WE CAN DO THAT BY LOOKING AT SATELLITE IMAGES.

AND WE'LL SEE THAT SLOWLY INCHING ITS WAY MORE TO THE NORTH, AND MORE INTO ARIZONA.

SO WE CAN LITERALLY PLOT WHERE THE START OF THE MONSOON IS.

WE'RE LOOKING DOWN IN MEXICO RIGHT NOW, RATHER THAN ARIZONA TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE MONSOON IS.

>> AND IT LOOKS SOMEWHAT ENCOURAGING, OUR NEXT GRAPHIC SHOWS THE THREE-MONTH OUTLOOK.

AND THAT IS RELATIVELY PROMISING CONSIDERING THE PAST, ISN'T IT?

>> YEAH, WHAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO SEE IS ANY BIG BROWN OVER ARIZONA, THAT INDICATES BELOW NORMAL CHANCES FOR A NORMAL MONSOON, AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS RIGHT NOW THEY ARE CALLING FOR EQUAL CHANCES.

THERE ARE NOT STRONG SIGNALS IT IS GOING TO BE WET, BUT THERE ARE NOT STRONG SIGNALS THAT SAYS IT IS GOING TO BE DRY.

A NORMAL MONSOON WOULD BE FANTASTIC.

>> YEAH, RELATIVELY PROMISING THERE.

THE NEXT MAP NOT SO MUCH.

TEMPERATURES, HOLY SMOKES HERE, RANDY.

>> YEAH, WE'RE SAYING THERE IS ABOVE CHANCE FOR ABOVE-NORMAL TEMPERATURES.

THAT'S GOING TO BE -- NORMALLY, AS WE MOVE INTO JULY, OUR AVERAGE TEMPERATURES ARE GOING TO BE PEAKING AT ABOUT 100, OR 105, AND THIS SUGGESTING WE CAN PROBABLY ADD A FEW DEGREES TO THAT.

WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT TROPICAL STORM TEMPERATURES UP TO 120, BUT IT WILL BE HIGHER.

>> WE'RE ALSO GETTING ALL OF THIS SMOKE.

>> YEAH, I GUESS EVEN SMOKE HAS A SILVER LINING, BECAUSE WHAT THAT SMOKE IS DOING FOR THE VALLEY IS KEEPING THE TEMPERATURES JUST A FEW DEGREES COLDER.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO HIT THAT 118, BECAUSE THAT SMOKE IS ACTUALLY SHIELDING US.

SO WE'LL PROBABLY TOP OFF IN THE -- NEAR 115 RANGE, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE UP TO THAT 118 THAT WE WERE ORIGINALLY THINKING >> BUT STILL HOT ENOUGH TO DRAW UP THAT MOISTURE.

THE SMOKE ISN'T SCREWING UP OUR MONSOON, IS IT?

>> NO.

IT IS NOT.

>> I ASK YOU THIS EVERY TIME, AND YOU TELL ME YOU REALLY CAN'T ANSWER.

BUT I'LL ASK YOU ONE MORE TIME.

IS IT TOO EARLY NOW TO BE THINKING EL NINO?

>> IT'S NOT THE WARM WATERS WE WOULD EXPECT TO SEE FOR AN EL NIÑO.

IT'S NOT THE COLD WATERS WE SEE WITH LA NINA.

WE'RE ABOUT AVERAGE.

SO WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT EL NINO FOR US, BECAUSE THAT USUALLY MEANS A LOT OF RAIN, BUT THE PACIFIC OCEAN IS NOT GOING TO BE A MAJOR FACTOR TO FIGURING OUT WHAT OUR WINTERTIME IS GOING TO BE.

>> LAST YEAR, THE MONSOON WAS PUNY AT BEST.

IT WAS TERRIBLE.

IF IT HAPPENS AGAIN, GOD FORBID THIS SUMMER, WHERE DOES IT GO?

>> WELL, ACTUALLY, WHAT HAPPENS IS IT STAYS DOWN IN THE SOUTH.

AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR, IS THAT WE JUST DIDN'T GET THAT GOOD MOISTURE SURGE.

WE HAD HOT TEMPERATURES IF EVERYBODY REMEMBERS LAST SUMMER, IT WAS INCREDIBLY HOT FOR AN INCREDIBLY LONG PERIOD OF TIME, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE THE MOVEMENT OF THE AIR TO FORCE THAT MOISTURE UP INTO ARIZONA, SO IT STAYED IN MEXICO, AND THERE WAS REALLY NOTHING TO PUSH IT UP.

SOMETIMES WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS A FEW HURRICANES WILL PUSH MORE MOISTURE UP ALONG THE GULF OF CALIFORNIA, BUT WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE THAT THIS YEAR AT ALL.

THIS YEAR, WE'RE ALREADY STARTING TO SEE HURRICANE ACTIVITY OFF OF THE COAST OF MEXICO.

SO MAYBE IT WILL BE BETTER.

>> ALL RIGHT.

RANDY, ALWAYS A PLEASURE.

THANK YOU, SIR.

>> MY PLEASURE.

♪ >>> TODAY IS THE NINTH ANNIVERSARY OF DACA, THE DEFERRED ACTION FOR CHILDHOOD ARRIVALS PROGRAM.

IT PROTECTS PEOPLE WHO WERE BROUGHT HERE BY THEIR PARENTS AT A YOUNG AGE.

"HORIZONTE" HOST JOSE CARDENAS SPOKE ABOUT THE CONTINUING LEGACY OF DACA AND WHERE IT STANDS TODAY.

>> THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TO TALK ABOUT DACA.

IT'S THE NINTH ANNIVERSARY FOR THE PASSAGE OF DACA, WHICH HAS IMPACTED GREATLY, AND BENEFITED GREATLY, DREAMERS.

TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE IMPACT THAT DACA HAS HAD, AND THEN LET'S TALK ABOUT POSSIBLE CHANGES ON THE HORIZON.

>> WELL, DACA, YOU KNOW, WAS INTRODUCED BACK IN 2012.

I HAVE KNOWN A LOT OF FAMILY FRIENDS AND FRIENDS OF MY OWN THAT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BENEFIT FROM THE PROGRAM.

I APPLIED BACK IN DECEMBER, AND COINCIDENTLY MY APPOINTMENT FOR MY BIOMETRIC WAS THIS MORNING AROUND 8:00.

SO I GUESS TECHNICALLY, CURRENTLY, I AM OFFICIALLY IN THE SYSTEM.

SO I OFFICIALLY HAVE DACA.

SO RIGHT NOW, IT'S JUST WAITING FOR THE LITTLE -- THE WORKER PERMIT TO COME BY, WHICH IS GREAT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT DACA DOES.

DACA DOES -- WHAT ALLOWS IT TO HAPPEN IS FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE, OPPORTUNITIES TO EXPAND, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

WE CAN DO MUCH MORE WITHOUT HAVING THE FEAR THAT SOMETHING COULD HAPPEN TO US AND OUR LOVED ONES.

AT LEAST THAT WE WOULD KNOW THAT WE ARE SECURE IN OURSELVES, IN OUR ENVIRONMENT.

>> SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT DEPORTATION.

IT ALLOWS YOU TO WORK, BUT IN STATES LIKE ARIZONA, IT DOESN'TING GIVE YOU IN-STATE TUITION AT THE UNIVERSITY.

>> THAT IS TRUE.

THAT IS TRUE.

UNFORTUNATELY DUE TO THE NATURE OF MONEY AND HOW THE BUDGET WORKS AND HOW THE MONEY IS DISTRIBUTED TO DIFFERENT STATES, PUBLIC SCHOOLS CAN OFFER IN-STATE TUITION, BUT PRIVATE SCHOOLS -- THEY ACTUALLY CAN.

I'M ATTENDING GRAND CANYON UNIVERSITY ON A FULL RIDE SCHOLARSHIP.

AND MY -- MY TUITION IS STILL, LIKE, IN-STATE.

I KNOW IN THE ARIZONA LEGISLATURE, THEY WERE ABLE TO PASS A BILL THAT IS GOING TO GO ON TO THE BALLOT IN 2022, THAT WOULD ALLOW THE VOTERS TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT UNDOCUMENTED STUDENTS WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR IN-STATE TUITION HERE IN ARIZONA.

>> THE LAST FOUR YEARS HAS BEEN VERY TUMULTUOUS FOR DACA.

THE PRIOR ADMINISTRATION BASICALLY ENDED IT, AND THAT WAS CHALLENGED IN COURT, AND THE COURT SAID, NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT AT LEAST THE WAY YOU DID IT.

WHAT IS GOING ON NOW?

>> YEAH, THE SUPREME COURT LAST SUMMER SAID THAT HEY, MR. TRUMP, YOU DIDN'T HAVE AN ACTUAL REASON TO TRY TO TAKE DOWN THE PROGRAM.

YOU CAN TRY AGAIN, BUT YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL REASON.

THAT IS WHY THE JUDGE IN TEXAS KIND OF PICKED IT UP, BECAUSE THEY BASICALLY DIDN'T STATE IT WAS CONSTITUTIONAL, BUT THEY DIDN'T SAY IT WAS CONSTITUTIONAL, SO IT IS KIND OF IN LIMBO AS IT HAS BEEN SINCE IT WAS INTRODUCED.

>> WHAT ARE THE CONCERNS IN ADDITION TO POSSIBLE COURT CHALLENGES?

ONE OF THE CONCERNS WITH DACA HAS BEEN IF ANYTHING IT IS JUST A TEMPORARY FIX.

YOU HAVE TO RENEW EVERY TWO YEARS, FOR EXAMPLE.

WE ALREADY POINTS OUT SOME OF THE BENEFITS IT DOESN'T PROVIDE.

THERE IS DISCUSSION TODAY IN THE U.S. SENATE OF A DREAMER PROPOSAL TO PROVIDE A PATHWAY TO CITIZENSHIP.

WHAT ARE THE PATHWAYS FOR THAT?

>> CURRENTLY IF A SENATOR DOES NOT AGREE WITH THE ABILITY TO TAKE IT UPON OR HOW IT IS MOVING, THEY ARE FILIBUSTER THE BILL, WHICH MEANS THEY WOULD NEED 60 VOTES IN THE SENATE TO ACTUALLY GO ON TO A VOTE.

AND CURRENTLY SEEING HOW EVERYTHING IS VERY MUCH POLITICIZED AT THE MOMENT, THE CHANNELS -- CHANCES OF HAVING TEN PEOPLE ACROSS THE ISLE TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT DOESN'T SEEM TOO LIKELY.

ALSO SEEING THE SENATOR HERE IN ARIZONA HAS KIND OF BEEN -- NOT REALLY -- WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHERE SHE IS.

SO RIGHT NOW, WHAT I HAVE SEEN A LOT IN THE NEWS IS THAT PEOPLE ARE CONSIDERING TAKING IMMIGRATION REFORM ON TO THE BUDGET RECONCILIATION ROUTE, BECAUSE DACA, YOU HAVE TO PAY TO ACTUALLY GET IT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

AND TECHNICALLY THAT DOES HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH THIS BUDGET.

>> SO THAT MAY PROVIDE ANOTHER AVENUE FOR GETTING SOME REFORM THERE.

LOTS TO TALK ABOUT.

WE'LL HAVE YOU BACK TO DISCUSS IT.

IN THE MEANTIME, THANKS FOR JOINING US TO TALK ABOUT THIS IMPORTANT PIECE OF LEGISLATION, ACTUALLY AN EXECUTIVE ORDER ON THIS NINTH ANNIVERSARY.

WE'LL SEE WHAT COMES OF IT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

>>> AND THAT IS IT FOR NOW.

I'M TED SIMONS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING.

♪ >>> COMING UP IN THE NEXT HALF HOUR OF LOCAL NEWS ON ARIZONA PBS, ON CRONKITE NEWS, THE U.S.

DELIVERS MORE THAN A MILLION DOSES OF THE JOHNSON & JOHNSON COVID-19 VACCINE TO MEXICO.

AND ON BREAK IT DOWN QUESTIONS CONCERNING RACE AND GENDER IN THE MUSIC INDUSTRY.