>> Ted: NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON, IT'S THE JOURNALIST'S ROUNDTABLE AND A LOOK AT THE WEEK'S TOP STORIES INCLUDING RACHEL MITCH'S PLAN TO IGNORE THE GOVERNOR'S ORDER ON ABORTION ISSUES.

WELCOME.

I'M TED SIMONS.

IT'S FRIDAY AND THAT MEANS IT'S THE WEEK'S TOP STORIES AND WE HAVE OUR PANEL.

PANEL, THANKS FOR JOINING US AND OUR INTERVIEW THIS WEEK WITH RACHEL MITCHELL AND MAYOR MARICOPA COUNTY ATTORNEY AND THE EXECUTIVE ORDER OF THE GOVERNOR'S AND SHE'S NOT BUYING IT?

>> SHE'S URGED GOVERNOR HOBBS TO RESCIND THIS AND THERE'S BEEN TALK AND NOBODY HAS SUED YET WHICH SUGGESTS TO ME THAT NO ONE SEES A SUCCESS OF GROUNDS FOR A LAWSUIT.

WHAT WE WOULD SEE IS A PROSECUTION WHERE THERE'S A DISPUTE AND RACHEL MITCHELL IS LOOKING AHEAD AT WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF THAT'S THE CASE.

THIS LAW, THIS IS HAS NEVER BEEN LITIGATED AND THERE'S A LAW THAT THE GOVERNOR CAP TAKE CAN TAKE CASES AWAY FROM ATTORNEYS AND THAT WAS IN 1976 WHERE THE SUPREME COURT REFUSED TO HEAR THE CASE.

FIT DOES ANDI DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PROSECUTIONS THERE ARE AND SHOULD ONE ARISE IN MARICOPA COUNTY, THAT SHOULD BE GROUNDS TO CHALLENGE AND THE GOVERNOR WOULD SAY I'VE TAKING THIS CASE AWAY GIVING IT TO KRIS MAYES.

>> Ted: COUNTY ATTORNEYS SAYS THE LAW TRUMPS THE EXECUTIVE ORDER AND THIS IS NOT LAWFUL AND I WILL PROCEED WITH BUSINESS AS USUAL.

>> SHE HASN'T HAD ANY POLICE AGENCY REFER TO HER CASE INVOLVING PROSECUTION OF ABORTION LAWS AND I WOULD ASSUME THAT IF THE RIGHT CASE CAME ALONG THAT SHE WOULD PURSUE IT AND THAT IS THE POINT AT WHICH THIS THING WOULDEND UP IN COURT.

THAT'S THE RIGHT TIME FOR IT TO GO TO COURT.

I DON'T THINK JUDGES IN GENERAL LIKE TO MAKE DECISIONS ON HYPOTHETICAL CASES.

SO UNTIL YOU GET A CASE, AND WE MAY NEVER EVEN HAVE A CASE IN THIS CASE.

BUT I THINK THIS IS INTERESTING TO LOOK AT THE POLITICAL SIDE OF THIS.

SHE CAN'T BE MAKING ANY FRIENDS WITH PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THAT YOU SHOULDN'T BE STRIPPING 15 DULY ELECTED COUNTY ATTORNEYS OF THEIR JOB, THE POWERS OF THEIR JOBS.

BUT WITH THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO MAKE SURE ABORTION REMAINS FREE AND AVAILABLE TO ALL WOMEN, THIS IS A NO-BRAINER DECISION FOR HER BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO APPROVE HER DOING THIS AND WITH THOSE WHO DON'T, SHE PROBABLY WOULD NEVER HAVE THEM ANYWAY.

SO I UNDERSTAND WHY SHE'S TAKING IT FAR BUT THERE'S A STALMATE UNTIL THERE'S A CASE.

>> THAT'S FAR.

HOBBS SAID I WON'T RESCIND THE ORDER AND NOW RACHEL MITCHELL, IT'S NOT JUST HER AND NOT ALL REPUBLICANS EITHER.

A PRETTY INTENSE STANCE AND, OF COURSE, WE DON'T NOW THAT AN ABORTION CASE WILL COME UP AND THE RACHEL MITCHELL IS THE ONE LITIGATING AND WE'LL CONSIDER THE LEGALITY OF THE EXECUTIVE ORDER.

BUT YEAH, NO LAWSUIT FROM THE LEGISLATURE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

>> Ted: JEREMY, I KNOW THE GOVERNOR AND ATTORNEY GENERAL SAID THEY WERE PROTECTING WOMEN FROM OVERZEALOUS PRORES PROSECUTORS.

I ASKED RACHEL MITCHELL, SHE HAS HER BELIEFS AND THERE MIGHT BE ANOTHER ATTORNEY ATTORNEY AND THAT'S ONE SIDE, BUT THE OTHER SIDE, AS RACHEL MITCHELL SAID, EVEN THE OVERZEALOUS ONES, NO ONE BROUGHT ANYTHING YET.

>> THE STATUS OF THE ABORTION LAWS WITH CONFLICTING BANDS AND ONE GOING BACK TO, YOU KNOW, JUST LAST YEAR.

IT'S STILL IN FLUX AND STILL WORKING THIS OUT.

BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, ACCORDING TO THE COURTS, THE LAW OF THE LAND IS 15 WEEKS.

AND SO, OBVIOUSLY, IF SOMEONE OVERZEALOUS PROSECUTOR TRIED TO PROSECUTE SOMEONE FOR PROVIDING PASSED THAT, THAT WOULD BE AN OPEN AND SHUT CASE AND SO, IF THERE IS A CASE LIKE THIS, LIKE THIS IS TO THE POLITICAL ANGLE AND A CASE COMES UP AND KATIE HOBBS SAYS I'LL TAKING THIS AWAY AND GIVING THIS TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, HOW THAT LOOKS WILL DEPEND ON WHAT THAT CASE IS ABOUT.

IF IT IS, YOU KNOW, A DOCTOR OR ABORTION PROVIDER PROVIDING ABORTION OUTSIDE OF THE 15-WEEK WINDOW PASSED THAT, THAT'S CLEAR-CUT POINT.

I'M NOT SURE HOW POLITICALLY YOU WOULD DEFEND THAT AND THE STATUTE SAYS WHAT IT SAYS AND FROM WHAT WE'VE SEEN 50 YEARS AGO, DECLINING TO TAKE THE CASE WOULD INDICATE HOW YOU DO THIS AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU JUSTIFY THIS.

>> I THINK THERE'S THIS PREVAILING VIEW THAT THEY WANT ABORTION TO BE LIGHT LEGAL AND RIGHT AND THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE LAW.

THEY DON'T CARE WHAT IT SAYS AND WANT SOMEBODY TO SAY, WE CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY AND IGNORE THE SUPREME COURT AND THE LAWS.

THE PROBLEM, OF COURSE, BECOMES WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE THE NEXT GOVERNOR WHO DECIDES THAT HE OR SHE CAN IGNORE WHATEVER OTHER STATE LAWS ARE OUT THERE.

>> Ted: CAMRYN, THAT'S THE POINT, THAT THIS SETS A PRECEDENT.

>> I WAS GOING TO TAKE US INTO 2024, WE COULD HAVE A BALLOT MEASURE LEADING TO ABORTION.

THEY WON SAY SPECIFICALLY WOULDN'T SAY, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THE FOCUS IS THERE AND POSSIBLE THERE COULD BE A VOTER-LEAD THING THAT WOULD CODIFY ROE V. WADE AND I'M GETTING DIZZY ABOUT THE LEGAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT AND EXECUTIVE ORDERS AND WHATEVER ELSE, BUT BEFORE THE NEXT GOVERNOR, THERE COULD BE MORE CHANGES TO THE RAW.

LAW.

>> AND THE PRECEDENT BEING SET AND SAYING THIS IS TAKEN AWAY FROM THE COUNTY ATTORNEYS AND GIVEN TO THE AG.

THE NEXT GOVERNOR, COULD BE A DIFFERENT PARTY AND DIFFERENT VIEWS.

IMAGINE HOW DIFFERENT GOVERNOR KARI LAKE AND SHE DIDN'T AND WE'LL GET TO IN A LITTLE WHILE, HOW MIGHT SHE HAVE USED THIS OR DOUG DUCEY OR A DIFFERENT GOVERNOR USE THIS?

THIS OPENS UP A LOT OF WEIRD RABBIT HOLES.

>> THE LAW DOES SAY SHE CAN TAKE A CASE AND ASSIGN IT TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, BUT IT DOESN'T SAY THAT YOU CAN STRIP THE 15 COUNTY ATTORNEYS OF THEIR POWERS TO PURSUE CASES.

WE'RE IN A SITUATION SAYING THE LAW DOESN'T SAY WE CAN DO IT AND CAN'T DO IT AND WE'LL PUSH THAT ENVELOPE.

>> I THINK THAT WOULD BE A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS GOVERNOR HOBBS WOULD USE THAT STATUTE IN EACH INDIVIDUAL CASE AND SAY THERE'S 41 DASH WHATEVER IT IS AND I'M USING AUTHORITY TO TAKE THIS AWAY.

>> FROM A STANDPOINT OF INTENT, SHE'S MADE IT CLEAR THERE WILL BE NO PROSECUTIONS OF ANY ABORTION-RELATED CRIMES.

SHE'S NOT TAKING IT CASE BY CASE AND IF YOU GET IT INTO A COURTROOM, A JUDGE WOULD CONSIDER THIS CASE BY CASE AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WHO WON'T PROSECUTE MAY PROSECUTE.

>> Ted: WHICH MEANS PRECEDENT IS SET AND GOOD LUCK DOWN THE ROAD.

>> WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU HAVE A GOVERNOR AND ALLOWS SAME-SEX MARRIAGE BUT I'LL DO AN EXECUTIVE ORDER THAT SAYS WE WON'T ALLOW ANYBODY TO DO THAT ANYMORE?

>> Ted: YOU HAVE AN ATTORNEY GENERAL WHO IS SYMPATHETIC.

CAMRYN, WE HAVE THE "WASHINGTON POST" WITH THE FACTOR ELECTOR AND THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON AND THEY'RE JUST WAITING TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS NEXT.

>> YES.

SO MAYES HAS BEEN SAYING FOR AWHILE SHE WOULD INVESTIGATE THIS AND WE DON'T KNOW HOW FAR ALONG SHE IS AND THIS IS IN ADDITION TO THE FEDERAL INVESTIGATION THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON WITH THE FEDERAL ATTORNEY GENERAL, I BELIEVE.

SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE EFFORT TO MAKE DONALD TRUMP THE PRESIDENT, KIND OF AN OLD TOPIC AND STILL AN IMPORTANT ONE IN ARIZONA AND WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO SIGNED ON AS SELF-DESCRIBED ELECTORS INCLUDING JAKE HOFFMAN AND JEREMY KERN AND MAYES IS JUMPING INTO THE FRAY SAYING SHE'S INVESTIGATING.

>> Ted: I ALWAYS COMPARED IT TO PLAY ACTING.

YOU GO DOWN IN THE BASEMENT AND WE'LL ALL BE ELECTORS AND LET'S DO IT.

>> WHEN IT HAPPENED, THEY MADE NO SECRET OF IT.

THE ARIZONA REPUBLICAN PARTY TOOK A PICTURE AND THE VOTERS SAY THIS AND PLAYING PRETEND OVER HERE, BUT IT APPEARS THAT IT WAS A PART OF A PLAN CONCOCTED IN THE WHITE HOUSE WITH JOHN EASTMAN, ONE OF TRUMP'S ATTORNEYS WHO HAD THIS IDEA TO GET SEVEN STATES TO DO THIS AND THEN, IF WE CAN GET THE VICE PRESIDENT TO DECIDE HE CAN'T DECIDE WHICH SAID OF ELECTORS, HE THROWS IT TO CONGRESS AND THE REPUBLICANS CAN CHANGE THE OUTCOME OF THE ELECTION.

>> Ted: THAT SOUNDS ABSORB BUT ABSURD, BUT THAT WAS THE PLAN AND GIVE MIKE PENCE THE PLAN AND HE WILL HELP TRUMP.

>> A CONTINGENCY PLAN IN CASE X OR Y HAPPENS AND THAT LEADS TO THE INTERESTING QUESTION OF WHAT STATUTE WOULD THEY HAVE VIOLATED IF THEY ARE CHARGED?

THAT'S NOT REALLY SOMETHING I'VE EVER HEARD AN IRON CLAD THING FOR AND THE CHIEF DEPUTY TOLD THE "WASHINGTON POST" IN THIS HAS TO BE IRON CLAD.

IT CAN'T BE MAYBE WE'LL GET A CONVICTION.

YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT STATE CRIME, NOT FEDERAL CRIME.

>> Ted: RIGHT, RIGHT.

>> YOU CAN HAVE A CONSPIRACY, BUT WHAT STATE CRIME WAS VI VIOLATED.

>> Ted: THAT'S PROBABLY WHY EVERY ROCK IS OVERTURNED.

>> ESPECIALLY FOR SUCH A HIGH PROVIDEPROFILE ISSUE.

>> Ted: THIS ATTORNEY GENERAL DOING THE INVESTIGATION AND THE PREVIOUS ATTORNEY GENERAL DID?

>> NOTHING, RUNNING FOR THE SENATE AND CHASING DONALD TRUMP'S APPROVAL.

AT THE TIME THAT COUNTY PROSECUTOR IN GEORGIA, WHICH HAS A SIMILAR SITUATION TO OURS AND I THINK THEY HAD 16 ELECTORS TO OUR 11, SHE ANNOUNCED IN MARCH OF 2021 THAT SHE WAS GOING TO LAUNCH AN INVESTIGATION INTO THIS STUFF.

I MEAN, SHE USED IT VERY CLEARLY AS A SPRINGBOARD TO EXPAND THE INVESTIGATION INTO THE LARGER QUESTION OF WHETHER TRUMP AND HIS ALLIES MOUNTED THIS ILLEGAL -- IF IT WAS ILLEGAL, TO MOUNT THIS PRESSURE CAMPAIGN THEY TRIED TO OVERTURN IN IT STATE.

IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE IF KRIS MAYES MIGHT EXPAND AN INVESTIGATION INTO THE LARGER QUESTION BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT TRUMP AND HIS PRE-KEY ALLIES IN THE INNER CIRCLE HAD THEIR FINGERPRINTS TO DO PEOPLE WHAT THEY COULD TO CHANGE THE OUTCOME OF THIS ELECTION.

>> Ted: USING THE STATE SEAL AND PRETENDING TO BE SOME STATE OFFICIAL, THAT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THAT WOULD BE FOLLOWING THE LAW?

>> NOT NECESSARILY FOLLOWING THE LAW AND NOT NECESSARILY RISING TO THE LEVEL OF INSURRECTION AND I DON'T THINK THEY'LL BE SATISFIED WITH PROSECUTION FOR MISUSING THE STATE SEAL AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE OTHER SLATE OF FALSE ELECTORAL.

>> HOW IT IS YOU CAN SIGN A LEGAL DOCUMENT AVOWING, ATTESTING TO THE FACT YOU WERE DULY ELECTED BY ARIZONA'S VOTERS TO REPRESENT THEM AND CAST THESE BALLOTS.

IT DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING IN THAT FORM ABOUT A CONTINGENCY FORM.

THERE WAS NO LETTER ATTACHED IN THE EVENT THERE IS A COURT CASE THAT WE WIN AND TRUMP DECLARED THE WINNER AND DOING THIS AS A CONTINGENCY PLAN.

THERE WAS NOTHING ANYWHERE WRITTEN DOWN ABOUT THAT.

SO IT WOULD SEEM TO ME FRAUD.

WE HAVE ALL KINDS OF LAWS THAT SAY YOU CAN'T PRETEND THAT TO BE WHICH YOU AROUND.

IT WOULD SEEM THERE ARE LAWS THAT GET TO THIS ISSUE.

>> THERE HAVE BEEN CASES IN PREVIOUS PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS WHERE SOME STATES DID SEND SITUATIONS TO FIGURE OUT WHO THE WINNER WAS AT THE TIME, BUT THAT OBVIOUSLY WAS NOT THE CASE HERE.

THERE WAS NO QUESTION HERE.

>> Ted: WHAT KEEPS A RANDOM GROUP OF PEOPLE ASSEMBLING IN SOMEONE'S BASEMENT SAYING WE'RE ELECTORS?

>> THAT'S PART OF MAYE'S GOAL THAT WE DON'T HAVE THIS AGAIN IN EVERY PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION UNTIL INFINITY AND PUT THE KEY KIBOSH ON IT NOW, IF THESE SUCCESSFUL.

>> THE BIGGER THING FOR THE TRUMP ELECTION, WE'VE SEEN THE FAKE ELECTORS AND WE DON'T KNOW WHICH STATE GOT IMMUNITY TO TALK TO A GRAND JURY AND THAT SEEMS LIKE IF THESE FOLKS GET PROSECUTED, THAT'S THE LIKELIEST AVENUE.

>> Ted: CAMRYN, WHAT IS THE ARIZONA PUBLIC'S UNITED AND WHY IS THERE SOMETHING IN PRESCOTT?

>> A GROUP OF REPUBLICANS THAT DOESN'T REPRESENT THE INTEREST OF ALL REPUBLICANS BECAUSE THEY'RE HAVING AN EVENT AT THE END OF THE MONTH AND ONE OF THE SPEAKERS LISTED AS FUENTES WHO IS NOT POPULAR WITH REPUBLICANS BECAUSE HE'S A WHITE NATIONALIST AND, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS THIS FLYER THAT CIRCULATED THAT SAID THE PIMA G.O.P AND I THINK YAVAPAI WAS SUPPORTED THIS AND OTHER REPUBLICANS WERE, LIKE, REALLY?

WHY?

THEY WEREN'T AND THEY SAY, THESE GROUPS THAT THEIR NAMES WERE ADDED WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT AND NOT SUPPORTING IT AND A BIG BLOWUP.

>> Ted: FUENT SESSION ISES IS A NATIONALIST ON STEROIDS, IS HE NOT?

>> HE MOST RECENTLY SAID HE WANTS A 16-YEAR-OLD CHILD BRIDE, BUT HE SAID INSULTING, DEMEANING THINGS ABOUT WOMEN, ABOUT EVERY MINORITY GROUP AROUND, ABOUT JEWISH PEOPLE, DOESN'T BELIEVE THE HOLOCAUST IS REAL.

BUT WHAT BUGS ME IS FIRST OF ALL, I BELIEVE SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE WERE SUPPORTING THIS THING, THIS CONFERENCE AND WHEN THEY FOUND OUT THAT NICK FUENTES WAS A LATE ADD LAST FRIDAY AND PEOPLE BEGAN ASKING QUESTIONS, THEY GOT COLD FEET.

I WOULD MAKE TWO POINTS AND NUMBER ONE IS THAT THIS COLLEGE REPUBLICAN'S UNITED IS ALREADY A FRINGE GROUP.

AND THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE HORIFIED AND WHERE WERE THEY WHEN GOSAR WAS SPEAKING ABOUT THE JANUARY 6 INSURRECTION CALLING IT AWESOME, I BELIEVE WAS THE WORD AND WHEN WENDY ROGERS WAS SPEAK BUILDING THIS GROUP.

SHE WAS PRAISING HIM AND I DON'T RECALL ANYBODY SPEAKING OUT AT THAT POINT.

>> Ted: AND NICK IS NOT JUST A PART OF THIS, BUT HE'LL GIVE THE KEYNOTE ADDRESS AND THE STAR OF THIS EVENT.

CERTAINLY THESE REPUBLICAN ORGANIZATIONS SHOULD HAVE SEEN THIS COMING.

>> I'M NOT SURE WHAT ALL OF THESE FOLKS KNEW.

I KNOW THE PIMA COUNTY G.O.P SAID HEY, WE WANT TO INVITE YOU TO TAKE A PART OF THIS COLLEGE RECENTLY'S EVENT AND THIS IS NOT THE NORMAL COLLEGE REPUBLICANS THEY HAVE ON EVERY CAMPUS IN THIS COUNTRY AND THIS IS VERY DIFFERENT FRINGE RADICAL GROUP.

>> Ted: I READ THAT, TOO, THIS IS A SETUP AND WHO IS SETTING THEM UMANDSETTINGTHEM UP AND WHY?

>> THEY SAID, COLLEGE REPUBLICANS, SURE, GREAT, THINKING IT WAS A REGULAR COLLEGE REPUBLICAN'S EVENT AND VERY, VERY DIFFERENT.

>> Ted: SUGGESTING FRACTURES IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND WE'VE SEEN THESE FRACTURES, BUT ARE THEY GROWING WIDER OR JUST ANOTHER DAY?

>> YES, I WOULD SAY IT ILLUSTRATES WHAT WE KNOW WHICH IS THAT THERE'S DIFFERENT FACTIONS OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND THIS IS NOT THE ONE THAT I THINK MOST PEOPLE ARE ALIGNING THEMSELVES WITH.

EVEN COO >> I THINK HE TWEETED HE MIGHT SHOW UP NICK FUENTES AND THAT'S PROBABLY NOT GOOD FOR YOUR GROUP.

>> HE'S GOOD FOR YOUNG CONSERVATIVES AND THAT'S THE FUTURE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND WHY AREN'T MORE REPUBLICANS SPEAKING OUT AGAINST THIS GUY.

>> Ted: YOU JUST ANSWERED THE QUESTION.

THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT PART OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

>> I THINK THEY SHOULD NOT WANT THAT AS A PART OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WANTS TO HAVE A FUTURE.

>> Ted: JEREMY, MOVING ONTO YOU NOW AND KARI LAKE, THAT SHE SHOULD HAVE WON AND WE'RE SEEING MORE AND MORE OF THIS.

>> THIS GOES BACK BEFORE THE ELECTION SHE FALSELY CLAIMS WAS RIGGED AND A LAWSUIT THAT SHE AND MARK FINCHEM THAT THEY WERE TRYING TO GET A JUDGE TO SAY THAT THE COUNTIES CANNOT COUNT BALLOTS WITH THE MACHINES WHICH IS A PERPETUAL THING TO HAVE HAND COUNTS.

THIS NEVER HAD A CHANCE FOR THIS TO WIN AND I THINK -- I HAVEN'T READ THE RULINGS AND I THINK THAT WAS THE POINT OF THE SANCTIONS, NOT REALLY A CREDIBLE CASE.

>> Ted: CAMRYN, THIS KEEPS LOSING AND LOSING AND THE POINT HERE IS THAT THE APPEAL -- I WANT TO GET TO THE APPEAL IN A SECOND, BUT IS THIS ANOTHER -- HOW MUCH, 122,000?

>> $122,200 AND DERSHWITZ.

>> SHE WAS SAYING THAT THIS IS MOVING TO TUCSON, RIGHT?

>> Ted: IT'S TOUGH TO JUGGLE.

NO EVIDENCE, NO PROOF, NO NOTHING.

>> MY QUESTION WAS, DO I THINK THAT WILL DETER HER?

NO, I DO NOT.

>> Ted: DO YOU THINK THIS WILL DO ANYTHING TO GET RID OF THESE FOLKS IN.

FOLK?

>> I THINK THE MESSAGE WAS CLEAR FROM THIS JUDGE, IF YOU READ HIS 26-PAGE RULING, THE COURT WHO NOT BE USED THIS WAY AS A CAMPAIGN STUNT.

IF YOU BRINGING CASE, DON'T BRING A FRIVOLOUS ONE.

IS 122,000 ENOUGH?

I DON'T KNOW.

>> Ted: THERE IS THIS CASE AS CAMRYN MENTIONED, THE SIGNATURE VERIFICATION AND IS THIS THE LAST STRAND?

>> SHOULD BE AND EVERYTHING WE THINK THEY'RE OUT, THEY PULL US IN AND THE LAST PIECE OF THE ARIZONA SUPREME COURT.

THIS HAS TO GO TO THE LOWER COURT AND DID NOT GIVE LIKE A SUFFICIENT OPPORTUNITY TO CHALLENGE THE SIGNATURES, THE VERIFICATION AND THE 2022 ELECTION AND THE TRIAL COURT JUDGE WASN'T HAVING ANY OF THAT AND RULED AGAINST HER AND THIS IS APPEALED, TO THE COURT OF APPEALS.

AS PART OF THE LEGISLATION PASSED A YEAR OR TWO AGO, ALLOWING DOUG DUCEY ADDING THREE JUDGES TO THE CIRCUIT COURT FOR SOUTHERN ARIZONA, FOR PHOENIX AND NORTHERN ARIZONA.

IT ALLOWED SHIFTING OF CASES BECAUSE OF THE DISTRICT ONE, THE CASELOAD IS HEAVIER AND EVERY SEVENTH CASE -- >> Ted: ARBITRARILY.

>> SHE SEES A CONSPIRACY AND THE MARXIST PART OF THE STATE.

>> Ted: WE SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.

>> SHE IMMEDIATELY WENT TO THE IDEA THAT THERE'S A CONSPIRACY HERE WHICH IS KIND OF HER BRAND, SO IT'S NOT THAT SURPRISING, SO SHE PUTS OUT THIS QUOTE FOR THIS CASE THAT HAS BEEN ASSIGNED TO THE MOST MARXIST PART OF THE STATE AS IF GEOGRAPHY MATTERS AND THOSE JUDGES COULD HEAR IT, BUT THE COURT OF APPEAL'S JUDGES ARE APPOINTED AND THE PANEL IN TUCSON WILL STILL BE THREE JUDGES APPOINTED BY ARIZONA GOVERNORS.

TWO OF THE THREE APPOINTED BY REPUBLICANS AND WE DO SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE AND SHE'S USING THIS AS ANOTHER CHANCE TO GET MONEY FROM PEOPLE BECAUSE SHE'S CLAIMING THAT THERE'S SOMETHING THEY FAIR EYAS GOING ON.

>> SHE CAN SAY IT'S GETTING OUT AHEAD OF HER UPCOMING LOSS.

>> Ted: UPCOMING, PERHAPS, CAMPAIGN AND DOES THIS HELP THIS TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TUCSON.

>> IT'S POINTING OUT THAT TWEET AND THERE'S A LINK TO DONATE TO THE NONPROFIT AND SHE'S RAISING A LOT OF MONEY AND THE PERPETUAL MACHINE REQUIRING NEW FODDER TO GET FOLKS TO DONATE MORE MONEY.

>> Ted: BEFORE WE GO, A FAMILIAR NAME, KATE BROPHY MCGEE.

>> A BLAST FROM THE PAST, A LONG-TIME STATE LEGISLATURE AND SHE LEFT THE LEGISLATURE UNDER, WHAT WAS IT LIKE THE PURGE OF 2020?

SHE LEFT ON HER OWN AND THE WRITING WAS ON THE WALL, GETTING RID OF REPUBLICAN LEGISLATORS BECAUSE THERE'S NO ROOM IN THE ARIZONA LEGISLATURE AMONG REPUBLICANS FOR MODERATES ANYMORE AND SHE IS KNOWN AS A MODERATE LEGISLATOR WORKING ACROSS THE AISLE TO LOOK TO SOLUTION FOR THINGS AND RUNNING FOR THE COUNTY SUPERVISOR'S SPOT HELD BY BILL GATES WHO IS FLEEING BECAUSE OF THE DEATH THREATS AND.

THE HARD RIGHT WANTS THOSE SEATS AND WE'LL SEE.

I EXPECT TO SEE QUITE A FEW PEOPLE IN THE RACE AND THIS IS A GREAT TEST OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

ARE YOU WILLING TO PUT SOMEBODY UP AND NOMINATE SOMEBODY WHO WILL WIN THE SEAT IN NOVEMBER OR WILL WE HAVE A REPEAT OF WHAT WE'VE SEEN SO MANY TIMES IN THE RECENT PAST?

>> Ted: WILL THE STATE REPUBLICAN PARTY, WILL THE MARICOPA COUNTY REPUBLIC, WILL THEY SUPPORT HER IF SHE'S A CANDIDATE?

>> YEAH.

BEFORE THAT, I THINK THERE WILL BE ANOTHER REPUBLICAN FROM ANOTHER WING THAT GOES AGAINST HER.

>> I MEAN, IT WILL BE EXTREMELY DIFFICULT FOR ANY DEMOCRAT TO BEAT HER.

VERY COMPETITIVE DISTRICTS AND NEWLY DRAWN DISTRICT MORE COMPETITIVE THAN THE PREDECESSOR AND BARELY REALLY COMPETITIVE AND SHE HAS A LOT OF VOTES THAT THE BASE DOES NOT LIKE AND THERE WILL BE, I WOULD SAY, AN ELECTION DENIER IN THAT PRIMARY, TOO.

>> Ted: PANEL, GOOD TO HAVE YOU AND THANK YOU FOR FOR JOINING US.

I'M TED SIMONS AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND!