[♪ THEME MUSIC ♪] >>> COMING UP IN THE NEXT HOUR OF LOCAL NEWS ON ARIZONA PBS, ON ARIZONA HORIZON, THE U.S. SENATE PASSES AN INFRASTRUCTURE BILL.

WE'LL HEAR WHAT IT COULD MEAN FOR ARIZONA IF IT MAKES IT INTO LAW.

DOWNTOWN RALLY TO PROTECT AMERICANS FROM VOTER SUPPRESSION, AND ON BREAK IT DOWN, HOW BLACK HISTORY EDUCATION AFFECTS BLACK YOUTH.

THAT'S ALL COMING UP IN THE NEXT HOUR ON ARIZONA PBS.

>>> GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO "ARIZONA HORIZON."

I'M TED SIMONS.

DEMOCRATIC STATE REPRESENTATIVE TONY NAVARETTE RESIGNED TODAY.

NAVARETTE WAS ARRESTED LAST WEEK AND CHARGED WITH SEVEN FELONY COUNTS OF CHILD MOLESTATION.

HE FACES 49 YEARS IN PRISON IF CONVICTED.

HIS RESIGNATION IS EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY.

NAVARETTE REPRESENTED WEST PHOENIX IN DISTRICT 30.

>>> THE U.S. SENATE PASSED A $1.2 TRILLION LANDMARK INFRASTRUCTURE BILL A BILL THAT ARIZONA DEMOCRATIC SENATOR KYRSTEN SINEMA HELPED NEGOTIATE.

IT INCLUDES SPENDING ON TRANSPORTATION, WATER SYSTEMS, ELECTRIC GRIDS, AND OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS.

IT WAS ENOUGH TO GET SENATE DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS TO BUY IN, AND IT WAS GOOD ENOUGH FOR THE PRESIDENT.

>> AMERICA, AMERICA, THIS IS HOW WE TRULY BUILD BACK BETTER.

THIS BILL IS GOING TO PUT PEOPLE TO WORK.

MODERNIZING OUR ROADS, HIGHWAYS AND BRIDGES, SO COMMUTERS AND TRUCKERS DON'T LOSE TIME IN TRAFFIC SAVING BILLIONS OF DOLLARS NATIONALLY.

>> THE PACKAGE NOW MOVES TO THE HOUSE WHICH IS IN RECESS AND MAY NOT PASS THIS PLAN.

>>> OTHER NEWS, DOMINION VOTING SYSTEMS FILED A LAWSUIT AGAINST OAM AND TWO OF ITS ON-AIR PERSONALITIES.

THEY CLAIM THEY DELIBERATELY MADE FALSE ACCUSATIONS AND THUS DAMAGING THEIR REPUTATION.

INDEED, OAM IS AMONG A HANDFUL OF GROUPS ASSOCIATED WITH PRIVATE FUNDING OF THE PRODUCT.

PATRICK BURN WAS ALSO ASSOCIATED WITH PRODUCTS FUNDING THE AUDIT, AND DOMINION SUED HIM TODAY TOO.

>>> COVID-19 CASES ARE GOING UP, ALONG WITH AN INCREASE IN HOSPITALIZATIONS.

HERE IS DR. MARJORIE BESSEL OF BANNER HEALTH.

>>> WE HAVE CONTINUED TO SEE AN INCREASE IN COVID EMERGENCY ROOM VISITS, HOSPITALIZATIONS, ISOLATIONS AND VENTILATOR USAGE IN ADDITION THE NUMBER OF NON-COVID-19 ISOLATIONS IS ALSO HIGH FOR SUMMER MONTHS.

>> THERE WERE 12 NEW COVID-RELATED FATALITIES ON RECORD TODAY.

>>> NEW YORK GOVERNOR ANDREW CUOMO ANNOUNCED HIS RESIGNATION TODAY.

THIS AFTER A GOVERNMENT REPORT FOUND THAT CUOMO HAS SEXUALLY HARASSED 11 WOMEN, AND FOSTERED A TOXIC WORK ENVIRONMENT.

IN MAKING THE ANNOUNCEMENT, CUOMO SPOKE DIRECTLY TO HIS THREE DAUGHTERS, SAYING HE MADE MISTAKES AND HAD APOLOGIZED.

>> I WANT THEM TO KNOW FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART, THAT I NEVER DID, AND I NEVER WOULD INTENTIONALLY DISRESPECTED A WOMAN, OR TREAT ANY WOMAN DIFFERENTLY THAN I WOULD WANT THEM TREATED, AND THAT IS THE GOD'S HONEST TRUTH.

>> LT.

GOVERNOR KATHY HOCUL WILL BECOME NEW YORK'S FIRST WOMAN GOVERNOR WHEN SHE TAKES OVER IN TWO WEEKS.

>>> AS WE MENTIONED AT THE TOP OF THE SHOW, THE U.S. SENATE PASSED A $1.2 TRILLION INFRASTRUCTURE PACKAGE THAT WILL HAVE A BIG IMPACT ON ARIZONA WITH FUNDING FROM EVERYTHING FROM ROADS AND BRIDGES TO WATER SYSTEMS AND ELECTRIC GRIDS.

WE TALKED ABOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN WITH DALE ROGERS, A SUPPLY CHAIN MANAGEMENT PROFESSOR AT ASU'S W.P.

CAREY SCHOOL OF BUSINESS.

DALE GOOD TO SEE YOU.

THANKS FOR JOINING US.

TALK ABOUT THIS INFRASTRUCTURE BILL HERE.

$1.2 BILLION PLAN.

LET'S START WITH ARIZONA.

HOW WILL ARIZONA BE EFFECTED, AGAIN, PROVIDED THIS THING BECOMES LAW.

>> WELL, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE EFFECTED A LOT.

WE NEED MAJOR INVESTMENT IN AIRPORTS.

IT'S REALLY INTERESTING, THE LAST 30 YEARS -- REALLY SINCE PRESIDENT REAGAN TOOK OFFICE, WE HAVE REALLY STARVED OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.

WE JUST KEEP KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD, AND WE NEED MAJOR CASH INJECTIONS INTO OUR AIRPORTS.

WE HAVE A HUGE PROBLEM IN RAIL, AND THE AMTRAK SITUATION ISN'T GREAT HERE IN ARIZONA, AND THAT WOULD BE GREAT IF THAT WERE A SOLUTION TO GET TO SOUTHERN ARIZONA.

IN THE PHOENIX AREA, WE'RE KIND OF IN A RAIL CUL-DE-SAC, AND THE -- THE TWO BIG RAILROADS THAT SERVE THE WEST, ONE GOES TO FLAGSTAFF, AND ONE GOES TO TUCSON, AND -- AND SO WE'RE NOT REALLY SERVED, AND HERE IS WHERE THE MAJORITY OF THE MARKET IS, AND WE REALLY HAVEN'T KEPT UP HERE.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE GROWTH IN THE SOUTHWEST, AND IN PHOENIX SPECIFICALLY, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY BECAME OF AGE IN AN ERA WHERE WE HAVE BEEN STARVED FROM AN INFRASTRUCTURE STANDPOINT.

SO IT'S REALLY BADLY NEEDED HERE.

>> AND WE SHOULD MENTION $360 MILLION FOR AIRPORTS.

216 MILLION ALONE TO SKY HARBOR.

SKY HARBOR REALLY IS THE BIG GORILLA IN THE ROOM ISN'T IT?

>> IT IS.

BY FAR AND AWAY IN TERMS OF AIR FREIGHT AND PASSENGERS, AND IT'S AN INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, AND, YOU KNOW, THE TERMINALS NEED SOME FIXING UP.

WE NEED MORE RUNWAYS.

YOU KNOW, WE NEED MORE GATES.

IT'S -- IT'S REALLY AN AIRPORT THAT WAS BUILT FOR ABOUT 1965, '70, AND IT'S 2021.

>> WITH THAT BEING SAID, THIS $1.2 TRILLION IS ABOUT HALF OF WHAT PRESIDENT BIDEN WANTED, THERE ARE SOME FOLKS WHO ARE SAYING 1.2 TRILLION ISN'T NEARLY ENOUGH TO ADDRESS THE COUNTRY'S NEEDS; IS THAT RIGHT?

>> I THINK THAT'S RIGHT.

IF WE WOULD HAVE BEEN INVESTING SINCE AROUND 1980, WHICH IS AROUND THE TIME WE STOPPED INVESTING IN INFRASTRUCTURE.

INFRASTRUCTURE DOESN'T VOTE, SO IT'S VERY EASY FOR POLITICIANS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE.

THIS ISN'T A REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT THING, THIS IS BOTH SIDE OF THE AISLE -- INFRASTRUCTURE DOESN'T VOTE, SO IT'S EASY TO NOT TAKE CARE OF IT.

SO SINCE ABOUT 1980, WE HAVE REALLY BEEN STARVING AND KICKS THAT CAN DOWN THE ROAD, AND IF WE WOULD HAVE BEEN INVESTING ALL THE WAY DOWN THE ROAD, THAT PROBABLY WOULD BE ENOUGH, BUT BECAUSE NOW WE'RE DOING IT, 40 YEARS LATER THAN -- THAN WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING, IT'S NOT ENOUGH.

>> WELL, IT'S STILL A LOT.

DO WE KNOW HOW THIS IS GOING TO GET PAID FOR?

IT SEEMS LIKE THAT IS A LOT OF MONEY.

AND A LOT OF FOLKS ARE SAYING RAISE TAXES, AND THAT'S A QUESTION OF WILL AS WELL.

>> IT IS.

AND I THINK THE ATTITUDES AROUND PAYING FOR STUFF HAS CHANGED.

IT'S REALLY AN INTERESTING THING.

I REMEMBER WHEN REAGAN WAS PRESIDENT AND REALLY RAN UP THE NATIONAL DEBT, AND I THOUGHT THAT IS JUST IRRESPONSIBLE.

BUT HONESTLY, IT WASN'T THAT IRRESPONSIBLE.

THE INVESTMENT IN DEFENSE REALLY POSITIONED US WELL TO BE A LEADER IN THE -- THE WORLD, AND SO THERE'S -- A SCHOOL OF THOUGHT, MODERN MONETARY THEORY THAT BELIEVES IF THE GOVERNMENT CAN PRINT MONEY, THEN IT'S FINE.

I THINK THERE IS AN END TO THAT AT SOME POINT, BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE WE'RE CLOSE TO A BAD SPOT YET.

EVENTUALLY, WHEN YOU SEE INTEREST RATES REALLY RISING, THAT'S WHEN YOU KNOW WE HAVE TO STOP SPENDING MONEY.

>> I WAS GOING TO SAY INFLATION WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE END RESULT OF TOO MUCH SPENDING, BUT ARE WE SEEING SOME OF THAT RIGHT NOW?

>> WE ARE SEEING INFLATION, BUT THE INFLATION WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW -- THE MONEY ACTUALLY THAT TRUMP GOT INTO THE BUDGET AND SO ON ISN'T MOSTLY SPENT YET.

YOU HAVE A LOT OF STATE GOVERNORS SLOW WALKING THAT -- THAT MONEY.

THE -- THE INFLATION IS REALLY BECAUSE OF SUPPLY SHORTAGES.

IT'S SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES, AND -- AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE SHORTAGES, THE STUFF YOU HAVE COSTS MORE, AND THAT'S REALLY WHERE THE INFLATION IS, NOT FROM TOO MUCH GOVERNMENT MONEY YET.

AT SOME POINT THAT COULD HAPPEN.

IT REALLY HASN'T HAPPENED YET.

>> YOU ARE VERY MUCH AN EXPERT ON SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES.

THIS INFRASTRUCTURE BILL, HOW MUCH DOES IT HELP SUPPLY CHAIN DYNAMICS?

>> IT'S HUGE.

IT'S REALLY HUGE.

LOOK AT CHINA AND THEIR INVESTMENT IN INFRASTRUCTURE.

LOOK AT THE BEAUTIFUL PORT OF SHANGHAI.

WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

WE HAVE CONTAINERS SITTING ON THE WATER OUTSIDE OF L.A.

IN LONG BEACH FOR A MONTH AND A HALF, AND THE NEW PRICE FROM CHINA TO HERE -- THE PRICE BACK IS ABOUT 2500 A CONTAINER.

THE PRICE LAST WEEK FROM SHANGHAI TO HERE WAS ABOUT $18,000.

AND $20,000 FROM SHANGHAI TO THE EAST COAST.

AND IT'S MOSTLY UNBALANCED DEMAND, BUT IT'S ALSO PARTLY INFRASTRUCTURE, AND -- AND HOW HARD IT IS TO GET STUFF INTO HERE.

SO IT WOULD BE A HUGE RELIEF, AND -- AND HONESTLY, THIS COUNTRY RUNS ON SUPPLY CHAINS.

WE -- WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE.

>> YEAH.

DALE ROGERS, A SUPPLY CHAIN MANAGEMENT PROFESSOR AT ASU'S W.P.

CAREY SCHOOL OF BUSINESS THANKS FOR YOUR EXPERTISE ON THIS.

A BIG DAY AS FAR AS THE INFRASTRUCTURE BILL IS CONCERNED.

>> YEAH, WELL, HOPEFULLY IT WILL GET THROUGH THE HOUSE, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL.

BUT WE NEED IT BAD.

>> DALE, THANK YOU.

>> THANK >>> UP NEXT, A COMMUNITY LEADER REACTS TO THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT'S INVESTIGATION OF PHOENIX POLICE.

>>> REACTION CONTINUES TO THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE TO INVESTIGATED PHOENIX POLICE.

EARLIER TODAY WE SPOKE WITH CLOVES CAMPBELL, JR., THE PUBLISHER OF "THE ARIZONA INFORMANT," TO GET HIS THOUGHTS ON THE INVESTIGATION.

CLOVES GOOD TO SEE YOU.

YOUR INITIAL THOUGHTS WHEN YOU HEARD OF THE INVESTIGATION?

>> WELL, I THOUGHT THAT IT WAS ABOUT TIME.

I THINK WE NEEDED THE INVESTIGATION.

THERE WERE A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED RECENTLY AND IN THE PAST AND RECENT PAST THAT WARRANTED THE INVESTIGATION.

>> WHAT ARE YOU HEARING FROM THE BLACK COMMUNITY?

>> THEY ARE WELCOMING IT AS WELL.

THEY ARE ALL LOOKING AS THOUGH, WE NEEDED TO HAVE THIS.

THE TIMING IS RIGHT, SO LET'S DIG IN AND SEE WHAT WE COME UP WITH.

>> HAS THE CITY MADE STRIDES OVER THE YEARS IN ADDRESSING THESE KIND -- EXCESSIVE USE OF FORCE IS THE OVERRIDING THEME.

HAVE THEY MADE STRIDES OVER THE YEAR?

>> UNFORTUNATELY I DON'T THINK SO, AND I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE FEEL THE SAME WAY.

THIS HAS BEEN HAPPENING FOR A LONG TIME, AND IT'S NOTHING NEW, AND I THINK IT'S ABOUT TIME THIS HAPPENS.

EVERYBODY IS WELCOMING IT, AND THEY WANT TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

>> WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SEE HAPPEN?

>> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE CHANGE.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE FACT THAT THE POLICE OFFICERS DO MORE IN THE COMMUNITY AND NOT AS MUCH AS MAKING THE COMMUNITY AFRAID OF THEM.

A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE UNCOMFORTABLE AROUND POLICE OFFICERS NOW.

WHEN I WAS YOUNGER, I KNEW A LOT OF THE POLICE OFFICERS.

WE GREW UP IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS WITH THEM, AND NOW WE HAVE NEW GUYS COMING INTO A PRECINCT OR A COMMUNITY, AND THEY DON'T KNOW THE COMMUNITY.

>> THAT'S INTERESTING.

YOU HAVE SEEN THAT CHANGE OVER THE YEARS?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

I STILL SEE SOME OF MY FRIENDS THAT I WENT TO SCHOOL WITH, WHO I TALK TO ALL THE TIME.

BUT THERE IS A NOW YOUNGER BREED THAT ARE QUICK TO PULL THE TRIGGER.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CASE OF DARLENE, AND THE FACT THAT SHE HAD MENTAL PROBLEMS, AND BASICALLY SHE OPENED THE DOOR WITH A SHOE IN HER HAND, AND THEY SHOT HER.

I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE EXPERTS ON THE GROUND TO WORK WITH THE POLICE OFFICERS, SO WHEN THEY RUN INTO THESE SITUATIONS, THEY ARE READY TO WORK WITH IT.

>> THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE SAID THEY WILL REVIEW PHOENIX PD POLICY AND TRAINING.

YOU MENTIONED MAYBE NOT SO MUCH GUN AND TRIGGER HAPPY, BUT OVERALL, WHAT KIND OF GENERAL POLICY REVIEW DO YOU WANT TO SEE, AND RECOMMENDATIONS COMING FROM DOJ.

>> POLICE OFFICERS ARE TRAINED TO BE CALM IN SITUATIONS.

DO I NEED TO PULL OR GUN OR CAN I WORK THIS THING OUT WITHOUT BEING AFRAID OF GETTING HURT MYSELF.

SO I WOULD LIKE THEM TO FIND SOME ANSWERS TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE TRAINED BETTER, AND LOOK AT IT AS THOUGH THEY ARE NOT THE ONES THAT ARE BEING ATTACKED.

>> YOU HAVE BEEN IN THE COMMUNITY FOR A LONG TIME.

YOU KNOW POLICE OFFICERS, AND GREW UP WITH POLICE OFFICERS -- >> ABSOLUTELY.

>> -- WHAT ARE THEY SAYING ABOUT THE INVESTIGATION IN GENERAL, BUT THE NATURE OF POLICING IN THIS DAY AND AGE IN PARTICULAR?

>> WELL, I HAVE TALKED WITH CHIEF WILLIAMS A COUPLE OF TIMES OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF DAYS, AND SHE WELCOMES THIS INVESTIGATION.

IS IT SYSTEMIC?

SOMETHING THAT IS NEW OR SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS YET?

SO PEOPLE ARE REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO FINDING OUT ANSWERS, BUT KNOWING THEY HAVE BEEN HAVING THIS PROBLEMS FOR SUCH A LONG TIME IS A PROBLEM IN ITSELF.

>> AND IT IS A TIME FOR COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW AND CHANGE.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

THE GOAL IS TO GET BETTER.

SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT IS IN FRONT OF THEM.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY, WE ACTUALLY HAVE CLASSES WHERE WE TAKE OUR KIDS AND TEACH THEM HOW TO TALK TO POLICE OFFICERS WHEN THEY GET PULLED OVER.

I DON'T SEE THAT IN OTHER COMMUNITIES, BUT IT HAPPENS IN COMMUNITIES IN COLOR.

>> SO DO YOU THINK THE COMMUNITY -- AND ALL COMMUNITIES IN PHOENIX, ARE GOING TO LOOK AT THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE REVIEW, AND THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD THING, AND B, BUY INTO WHATEVER THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE?

>> MY FEEDBACK SO FAR, AFTER THEY HAD THE FIRST HEARINGS, REALLY ARE 50/50.

SOME PEOPLE SAY WE NEED CHANGE.

AND OTHERS SAY THIS IS JUST WINDOW DRESSING.

>> IT WAS A VIRTUAL MEETING LAST NIGHT.

>> UH-HUH.

>> WHAT CAME OUT OF THAT?

>> A LOT OF FINDING OUT -- MORE OF THEM JUST LISTENING AND SEEING WHAT THE PEOPLE HAD TO SAY, HOPING TO GATHER MORE INFORMATION FOR THE FUTURE SO THEY CAN CONTINUE THE INVESTIGATION.

THEY ARE LOOKING FOR PEOPLE TO TURN IN VIDEO IF YOU HAVE COMPLAINS, GOOD OR BAD, THEY WANT TO HEAR BOTH SIDES.

SO WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN?

I DON'T KNOW.

I HOPE FOR THE BEST, BUT YOU NEVER KNOW.

HOPEFULLY WE HAVE A LOT OF GOOD POLICING COME OUT OF THIS.

>> ALL RIGHT.

CLOVES CAMPBELL, BORN AND RAISED -- >> BORN AND RAISED IN SOUTH PHOENIX.

>> THANK YOU FOR COMING?

>> THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME.

THANKS.

>> YOU BET.

♪♪ >>> THE PANDEMIC HAS CHANGED MANY THINGS, INCLUDING THE WAY STUDENTS LOOK AT COLLEGE ADMISSIONS.

INDEED MANY STUDENTS ARE LOOKING AT COLLEGES BY WAY OF VIRTUAL VISITS.

WE LEARNED MORE FROM ERIN GOODNOW, CEO AND COFOUNDER OF GOING IVY.

ERIN GOODNOW, WELCOME TO "ARIZONA HORIZON."

THANK YOU FOR APPEARING ON THE PROGRAM AND TALKING ABOUT THE COLLEGE ADMISSIONS PROCESS, WHICH SOUNDS LIKE IT HAS BEEN AFFECTED BIG TIME BY THE PANDEMIC.

TALK TO US HERE.

>> YEAH, THIS IS NOW -- WE'RE GOING INTO THE THIRD YEAR OF STUDENTS -- CROP OF STUDENTS WHO IS BEING EFFECTED.

WE HAD CLASS OF 2020, WHO JUST GOT THE TAIL END.

AND NOW WE'RE IN THE CLASS OF 2022 ABOUT TO APPLY TO SCHOOLS, AND THE WAY THEY WILL BE EVALUATED IS ALSO DIFFERENT.

>> YEAH, TALK TO US ABOUT THAT AS WELL.

IT SEEMS LIKE THE EVALUATION PROCESS WILL BE DIFFICULT IF YOU LOOK AT THINGS LIKE EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES, AND PASS/FAIL GRADES.

HOW DO YOU NAVIGATE THAT KIND OF THING?

>> RIGHT.

SO THE WAY SCHOOLS ARE EVALUATING THEIR CANDIDATES -- RIGHT.

THEY HAVE NOT HAD THE CHANCE TO GO OUT AND DO THEIR TOURNAMENTS OR ALL OF THEIR TRAVEL AND EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES.

IT'S REALLY HARD.

YOU NEED TO FIND OTHER WAYS TO HIGHLIGHT THIS AWESOME CHARACTER, AND IMPACTS, AND ALL OF THE THINGS THAT YOU CAN CONTRIBUTE TO A COLLEGE ENVIRONMENT.

STUDENTS ARE STILL DOING IT.

A LOT OF IT IS VIRTUAL, AND THEY ARE STILL SHOWING INITIATIVE.

IF YOU SHOW THAT INITIATIVE, THE COLLEGES WILL REWARD THAT.

>> WHAT ARE SOME OF THE WAYS THAT STUDENTS AND FAMILIES CAN EXPEDITE THE PROCESS?

>> I HAVE SEEN STUDENTS STILL GOING IN AND DOING VOLUNTEER WORK AND ESSENTIAL WORK THAT WE HAVE HEARD SO MUCH PRAISE FOR DURING THE PANDEMIC.

STUDENTS CAN DO THOSE THINGS AND HAVE WONDERFUL INCITE AND REFLECTION ABOUT WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN DOING, THAT'S WHAT GETS THE COLLEGE ADMISSIONS READERS.

THEY WANT TO SEE THAT A COLLEGE HAS MATURITY AND HAS MADE AN IMPACT.

AND YOU HAVE DONE SOMETHING ELSE WITH YOUR TIME, AND YOU CAN BE MATURE ABOUT HOW THAT HAS CONTRIBUTED TO YOUR GROWTH.

THAT'S HUGE FOR COLLEGES.

>> WHAT ABOUT STANDARDIZED TEST SCORES.

IT SEEMS LIKE THOSE ARE EASING AWAY; IS THAT TRUE?

>> THEY ALREADY WERE BEFORE THE PANDEMIC, AND NOW WITH THE CANCELLATIONS ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY, YEAH, THEY ARE FADING AWAY.

SCHOOLS ARE REALIZING WE DON'T NEED THESE ANY MORE TO EVALUATE OUT GREAT OF A STUDENT AN APPLICANT IS.

SO THE TRANSCRIPTS ARE AS IMPORTANT AS EVER, BUT THE ACT, OR SAT ARE NOT AS IMPORTANT.

>> IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYTHING IS MORE NUANCED OUT THERE, HUH?

>> YES.

YES.

STUDENTS NEED TO THINK ABOUT NOT JUST THE COMPETITIVE PART OF THEIR APPLICATION, BUT THEY NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW COMPELLING THEY ARE AS AN APPLICANT, AND THAT REALLY COMES FROM THE MATURE REFLECTION.

THE THINGS THAT THEY HAVE DONE, THE PASSIONS THAT THEY HAVE.

BEING ABLE TO EXPRESS THAT IN MORE THAN JUST NUMBERS ON A TEST SCORE.

>> AND I WOULD IMAGINE STUDENTS ALWAYS HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER THAT SCHOOL IS THE BEST FOR THEM.

IT USED TO BE YOU TRAVELED AND LOOKED AT IT, YOUR FAMILY WENT WITH YOU, WHATEVER YOU DID, YOU VISITED THE CAMPUS, AND THAT IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT BALL GAME TOO.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

COLLEGES ARE ACTUALLY BLOCKING ANYONE WHO IS NOT A STUDENT FROM GOING ON TO THEIR CAMPUS.

AND WE USED TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME AND MONEY, AND IT WAS A MAJOR INCONVENIENCE FOR PERSPECTIVE STUDENTS TO VISIT AS THEY SCHOOLS.

COLLEGES HAVE PIVOTED AND OFFERED VIRTUAL TOURS THAT HAVE BEEN A GREAT WAY TO ENGAGE WITH PERSPECTIVE STUDENTS.

THEY CAN EVALUATE, DO THEY LIKE THIS SCHOOL OR NOT?

AND HOW GREAT OF A PROGRAM DO THEY HAVE?

>>> -- IT WON'T BE AS GOOD AS STEPPING FOOT ON CAMPUS, BUT I HOPE IT OFFERS A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD.

>> IT SEEMS LIKE THE ENTIRE PROCESS A LITTLE MORE TIME CONSUMING, AND MAYBE A LITTLE MORE ANXIOUS FOR THE STUDENTS, PARENTS, AND COUNSELORS.

>> YES.

IT IS NERVE-RACKING.

THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENCES THIS YEAR, AND WITHIN THE LAST FEW YEARS, SO YOU FEEL FOR STUDENTS.

THIS IS A TIME WHEN THEY SHOULD BE GETTING OUT THERE, AND PREPARING FOR THIS ADULT DECISION, AND THERE IS A LOT OF ANXIETY AROUND IT.

>> DO YOU THINK THESE CHANGES ARE TEMPORARY?

ARE SOME OF THESE CHANGES GOING TO BE LONG-LASTING, WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHANGES IS THE TEST OPTIONAL POLICY THAT SCHOOLS HAVE.

STUDENTS DO NOT NEED AN SAT OR ACT SCORE TO APPLY TO A LOT OF SCHOOLS.

AND ANOTHER THING IS THESE VIRTUAL TOURS AND VIRTUAL CAMPUS TOUR OFFERINGS, BUT SOME THINGS THAT PROBABLY WILL GO AWAY, WE WON'T SEE AN ESSAY THAT WE SEE RIGHT NOW, ABOUT HOW HAS THE PANDEMIC EFFECTED YOU.

COLLEGE APPLICANTS ARE ANSWERING THOSE QUESTIONS ON THEIR APPLICATION.

AND HOPEFULLY THAT WILL GO AWAY AS THE IMPACT OF THE PANDEMIC LESSENS FOR STUDENTS.

THOSE ARE THE BIGGEST CHANGES THAT WE HAVE SEEN.

>> ALL RIGHT.

ERIN GOODNOW, CEO AND COFOUNDER OF GOING IVY, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>>> THAT IS IT FOR NOW.

I'M TED SIMONS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING.

♪♪ >>> COMING UP IN THE NEXT HALF HOUR OF LOCAL NEWS ON ARIZONA PBS, ON CRONKITE NEWS, DETAILS ON ASU PLACING TWO MORE FOOTBALL COACHES ON ADMINISTRATIVE LEAVE.

AND ON AND ON BREAK IT DOWN, HOW BLACK HISTORY EDUCATION AFFECTS BLACK YOUTH.