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>> COMING UP IN THE NEXT HOUR ON ARIZONA PBS, IT IS IT THE JOURNALIST'S ROUNDTABLE.

A STORY OF A GOVERNOR CANDIDATE CALLING FOR ABOLISHMENT.

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>> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

I'M TED SIMON.

IT IS TIME FOR THE ROUNDTABLE.

JOINING US, WITH A LOOK AT THE TOP STORIES.

JEREMY DUDA AND BOB KRISTIE OF THE OHASSOCIATED PRESS.

WE CAN'T AVOID THE BIG STORY OF THE DAY.

HIGHLY CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS TAKEN OUT OF MARA LAGO.

THIS IS ESPIONAGE FROM A FORMER PRESIDENT.

>> WE HEAR FROM THE TRUMP CANDIDATES HERE AND THE CADRE FROM THE REPUBLICANS ABOUT IT IS THE END OF DAYS AND ABUSE OF POWER.

TODAY THEY'RE STRANGELY QUIET AS THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE OR THE COURTS UNTILACTUALLY UNSEALED THE SEARCH WARRANT AND SHOWS PRETTY SERIOUS CHARGES.

I DON'T SEE HOW YOU CAN PAINT THE FBI A THE GESTAPO OR STASSI AS SOMEONE CALLED HIM, BUT GOING AFTER DOCUMENTS THAT ARE SO SENSITIVE THEY AFFECT NATIONAL SECURITY AND THE DEFENSE.

>> WE'RE NOT HEARING A LOT NOW.

I IMAGINE WE WILL.

WE HAVE NATIONAL REPUBLICANS SAYING HERE'S THE AFFIDAVIT.

YOU TALK ESPIONAGE ACT, NATIONAL DEFENSE.

THIS IS SERIOUS BUSINESS.

>> COUPLE OF DAYS AGO WE HEARD RHETORIC ABOUT THE FBI FROM REPUBLICANS FROM SUPPORTERS OF PRESIDENT TRUMP.

AFTER THE SEARCH WARRANT WAS EXECUTED, WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THIS WAS.

THEY WOULD UNSEAL IT, TRUMP WOULDN'T OBJECT.

WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE GOING OUT THERE.

YOU SAY NUCLEAR DOCUMENTS.

THAT'S A GAME CHANGER.

PEOPLE THAT HAD A LOT TO SAY WILL BITE THEIR TONGUES UNTIL WE KNOW MORE.

MAYBE IT GETS WORSE OR BETTER FOR TRUMP.

THERE'S STILL A LOT WE DON'T KNOW.

THIS SEEMS PRETTY SERIOUS.

>> THE TRUMP SLATE HERE IF YOU WILL IN ARIZONA, HOW WILL IT AFFECT HIS CANDIDACY?

>> BASED ON SOME THINGS THEY SAID EARLIER THIS WEEK BEFORE HAD INFORMATION CAME OUT, IT COULD HURT THEM.

CAREY LAKE WAS ATTACKING THE FBI FOR THE SEARCH.

OTHER REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES DID THE SAME.

IT IS UNDER THE ESPIONAGE ABSENT THAT THEY'RE ALLEGING NOT THAT HE WOULD GIVE IT TO SOMEBODY, WHO KNOWS, BUT THE ESPIONAGE ACT IS ONE OF THE THREE LAWS THEY'RE LOOKING UNDER.

IT WAS TOP SECRET COMPARTMENTALIZED, WHICH MEANS THE PEOPLE SEE, IT NEVER LEAVES THE ROOM AND IS AS HIGHLY SECRET AS YOU GET.

I HEARD STUFF THAT THE PRESIDENT CAN DECLASSIFY EVERYTHING.

HE TOOK IT OUT.

NO.

TOP SECRET COMPARTMENTALIZED, THE PRESIDENT DOESN'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO DECLASSIFY DOCUMENTS.

>> I THINK THE QUESTION I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ASKED IS WHY DID HE TAKE THESE DOCUMENTS AND WHAT DID HE EXPECT TO DO WITH HE'S DOCUMENTS?

WAS THE PLAN TO SELL THEM OR TO PUT THEM IN ARCHIVES OR PUT THEM IN MARA LAGO.

WHY WOULD YOU TAKE THEM?

IF THEY FALL IN THE WRONG HANDS WILL HARM OUR COUNTRY.

>> WE HAD A FEDERAL PROSECUTOR HAD WEEK.

MISHANDLING DOCUMENTS IS ONE THING, IT IS WHO ELSE IS SEEING THE DOCUMENTS.

TRANSFERRING TO ANOTHER PAIR OF EYES.

THAT'S THE CONCERN.

>> THAT'S WHY THEY'RE SO HEAVILY RESTRICTED.

AND ESPIONAGE IS MISHANDING THE DOCUMENTS.

IT HAS SERIOUS IMPLICATIONS, VERY EASY FOR THE WRONG PEOPLE TO SEE THEM OR FOR THEN TO BALL IN THE WRONG HANDS ABOUT HERE STUCK IN THE MARA LAGO BASEMENT.

>> WHY DID HE TAKE THEM?

HE'S KNOWN FOR A YEAR AND A HALF THAT THEY WANT THESE BACK.

WE KNOW THE DOCUMENTS IN THE WHITE HOUSE ARE GONE.

WE WANT THEM BACK.

MET WITH HIM AND ASKED HIM.

WHY DIDN'T HE TURN IT OVER?

IT IS NOT THAT HARD.

ANYTHING NOT TOP SECRET WILL GO IN THE PRESIDENTIAL ARCHIVES.

WHY, THAT'S THE QUESTION.

>> AFTER INITIAL SEARCH THERE WAS RINGING OF HANDS AND GNASHING OF TEETH INCLUDING TERRY LAKE WHO SAID THE FBI NEEDS TO BE ABOLISHED.

>> FIRST SHE CAME OUT WITH ONE OF THE MORE UNHINGED STATEMENTS ACROSS COUNTRY.

THIS PIECE ABOUT HOW IT IS THE END OF THE DAYS, DARKEST DAYS IN AMERICA.

THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS THOROUGHLY CORRUPT AND WE NEED TO FIRE THEN.

ON AND ON.

OVERWROUGHT OVERWROUGHT.

I THINK SHE WOULD WAIT.

MOST PEOPLE WAIT FOR FACTS AND SHE DIDN'T.

SHE WENT THE NEXT DAY, PERHAPS 36 HOURS LATER, MAYBE THE NEXT DAY, ON TO STEVEN CROWDER'S PODCAST WHERE HE ASKED HER, DON'T YOU THINK THAT THE FBI NEED TO BE DISMANTLED.

SHE SAID ABSOLUTELY, 100 PERCENT I AGREE.

I FIND JUST SHOCKING.

THIS IS AN AGENCY THAT THE PREMIER, NATION'S PREMIER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY.

THEY GO AFTER SEX TRAFFICKERS.

SHE WANTS TO DISMANTLE THE WHOLE PLACE BECAUSE OF THIS.

>> ESPECIALLY IN ARIZONA, IT HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A COUPLE OF DECADES, OVERREACHING FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

I WATCH OUR GOVERNOR AND PRIOR ATTORNEY GENERAL SAYING NO NO, THIS IS OVERREACHING.

THIS FALLS IN THAT NARRATIVE EXCEPT FOR TODAY WHEN THINGS COME OUT.

>> IF YOU GOT STUFF IN YOUR SOCK DRAWER, MAYBE THAT'S NOT OVERREACHING.

I QUESTION THE REPUBLICANS, WHY DIDN'T YOU WAIT FOR FACTS?

WHY DO YOU JUMP?

GOOD NEWS WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE ELECTION THIS WEEK.

>> THAT'S TRUE.

WORSE THAN KATIE HOBBS GOING AFTER, SHE WANTS TO DEFUND LAW ENFORCEMENT WHICH IS SOMETHING YOU HEAR REPUBLICANS GOING AFTER AND INCLUDING KATIE HOBBS BECAUSE OF ENDORSEMENT SHE'S ANY.

I DON'T KNOW HOW HAS WILL GO TO THE DEFUND POLICE.

THERE'S NO SHORTAGE OF DISTRUST OF THE FBI WITH A LOT OF AMERICANS.

THAT SEEMS A BRIDGE TOO FAR.

ABOLISHING THE FBI.

TWO WEEKS I HEARD ABOUT WHEN CAREY LAKE WINS IT WILL PIVOT.

EVERYTHING IS HARD RIGHT.

WE HAVEN'T SEEN PIVOTING.

THE FAKE STUFF ABOUT THE STOLEN ELECTION AND THEN ABOLISH THE FBI.

>> WE GOT THE DE SANTIS RALLY.

WHEN SHE SAID WE MUST FIRE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

>> IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT IT MEANS.

MESSAGE SHE SAYS OVERREACH, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT ON MY WATCH.

ARIZONA IS INDEPENDENT.

WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW THE CONSTITUTION.

AND IT DOESN'T MATTER ABOUT IT DOESN'T MAKE LOGICAL SENSE.

IT IS JUST THE MESSAGE THAT IS IMPORTANT, RIGHT?

>> THE QUESTION IS, THOUGH, WHAT DO THOSE MODERATE REPUBLICAN AND INDEPENDENT VOTERS THINK OF THAT MESSAGE?

SHE'S PREACHING TO THE CHOIR STILL.

SHE'S GOT THE PEOPLE.

SOMEONE NEEDS TO TELL IT YOU YOU NEED TO BROADEN WHAT YOU LOOK AT AND SHE'S SILL NOT DOING.

>> I WANT TO GET TO THE PIVOT AND WE GOT THE DE SANTIS RALLY WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO UNITE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

>> A COUPLE OF DAYS AFTER LAKE WON THE ELECTION AND THE A.P.

CALL IT.

WE WAITED A COUPLE OF DAYS.

SHE WENT ON A REPUBLICAN RADIO SHOW.

BIG ONE IN PHOENIX AND TALKED ALL ABOUT HOW SHE WAS GOING TO UNITE THE PARTY AND THE REPUBLICANS, IT IS LIKE A BIG FAMILY, A FAMILY OF NINE.

THEY HAVE BIG FIGHTS AND THEY COME TOGETHER AND HUG EACH OTHER.

THAT WEEKEND SHE GOES TO TEXAS TO THE SEA BACK CONVENTION AND TALKS ABOUT HOW SHE -- HOW SHE SHOVED A KNIFE THROUGH THE HEART OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

>> THAT'S YOUR PIVOT HERE.

IF THAT'S A PIVOT, YOU KNOW, I HATE TO SEE STANDING IN PLACE.

>> IT SEEMS LIKE WHAT WE'RE SEEING MORE.

STILL PRIMARY A FEW WEEKS AGO.

WE'LL SEE PIVOTING, BUT IN THE AFTERMATH WE HAVEN'T SEEN MUCH.

>> WILL WE SEE PIVOTING FROM CAREY LAKE?

DE SANTIS RALLY, WHAT DO YOU EXPECT?

>> MORE OF THE SAME.

CANDIDATES ARE TRUMP ENDORSED CANDIDATES.

THEY WERE THE FOUR STATEWIDE CANDIDATES.

IT IS NOT UNITING ABOUT YOU'RE LEAVING OUT ALL OF THE OTHER REPUBLICAN NOMINEES.

IT IS LIKE A RUBBER BAND SHE'LL TRY TO BROADEN AND THEN GO BACK TO ATTACKING.

I DON'T SEE HER BROADENING HER MESSAGE OR LISTENING TO ANYBODY.

>> THE FIRST RALLY SHE WILL HOLD IN ARIZONA IS WITH -- FOR GOVERNOR DE SANTIS WHO HAS MADE HIMSELF IN TO ATTACK DOG IN THE TRUMP MODEL.

GOES WITH CAREY LAKE.

THEY SEEM TO THINK IT WILL WIN ELECTIONS.

DE SANTIS THINKS SHE'LL HAVE THE MANTLE OF TRUMP.

THEY THINK HE CAN PAINT THEM AS SOCIALISTS AND HE'LL WIN.

>> GOVERNOR DUCEY BASICALLY CALLED HER A FAKE AND SAID IT WAS A BIG STORY.

SHE WAS PUTTING ON A BIG SHOW.

HE PIVOTED.

>> NOT ENTIRELY SURPRISING.

YOU SEE THIS AFTER PRIMARIES.

PEOPLE FALL IN LINE WITH EVERYONE ELSE IN THE PARTY.

I THINK IT WAS INTERESTING WHEN THE RACE WAS CALLED FOR LAKE FOR THE A.P.

AND REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR'S ASSOCIATION CONGRATULATED HER IT WAS THE R G I'S VICE-CHAIR, GOVERNOR DUCEY THE RJ IS ALL TO SUPPORT CAREY LAKE.

HERE NOT PULLING UP TENT STAKES.

EVERYONE LINES UP BEHIND THE CANDIDATE EXCEPT JAN BREWER WHO INDICATED SHE IS NOT.

>> JAN BREWER, LAURIE SAID SHE WOULD SUPPORT LAKE.

SHE CALLED THE -- IN THE "NEW YORK TIMES" SHE CALLED IT MEAN.

SHE WANT TO HEAR HER SAY SHE DID HAS HAD BECAUSE SHE WANTED TO WIN.

>> DUCEY.

I CALL THAT A PIVOT.

HE'S GOT TO BE BEHIND A CONGRESS CANDIDATE.

I DIDN'T HEAR HIM SAY LAKE'S PRAISES.

I HEARD CONGRATULATIONS.

IT WAS WE NEED TO ELECT REPUBLICANS.

>> SHE DID A SIMILAR STATEMENT.

FROM ALL OF THEN YOU'LL SEE A LOT MORE ATTACKING THAN PRAISING.

>> I DON'T THINK YOU'LL SEE -- YOU MIGHT SEE DUCEY SHOWING UP AT LAKE EVENTS.

I WOULD BE SHOCKED IF KAREN TAYLOR ROBESON DID.

I HAVEN'T TALKED TO HER ABOUT IT.

WHO KNOWS?

>> WOULD SHE WANT LAKE'S SUPPORT?

DO YOU WANT THAT ABOUT -- IF YOU'RE THIS AND HERE COMES THAT?

>> SHE SAID THEY'RE NOT RHINOS.

SHE NEVER MEANT THAT TRADITIONAL TRADITIONAL.

SHE MEANT THE RHINOS.

I DON'T KNOW WHO THE RHINOS ARE.

>> IN SEPTEMBER SHE SAID ANY McCAIN REPUBLICANS.

PEOPLE BOOED.

SHE SAID GET OUT OF HERE AND THERE'S NONE IN THE ROOM.

AND NOW YOU WANT TO HEAR A DIFFERENT MESSAGE FROM HER.

THIS IS TYPICAL, PRETEND I DIDN'T SAY THAT OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

MAYBE MODERATE THAT ANTI-RHINO ESTABLISHMENT REPUBLICAN TALK.

BUT STILL TRY TO MAINTAIN THE CAREY LAKE ATTACK DOG.

STICKING WITH YOU, MARICOPA COUNTY FILED FOR SANCTIONS AGAINST CAREY LAKE AND MARK FINCHUM WITH A RULE 11 SANCTION.

>> ANY LAWYER HAS IT SIGNSTHAT IS SIGNED AND FILED IN COURT.

THERE HAS TO BE A LOGICAL FACTUAL BASIS, EVERYBODY DOES A BALLOT.

THEY HAVE IT SIGNED BY THEIR LAWYERS THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN.

THAT'S ONE THING THEY ALLEGE DESERVE SANCTIONS.

THEY DESCRIBED THESE CLAIMS AS FRIVOLOUS.

THAT WAS USED MORE THAN ONCE HERE.

FOR ATTORNEY FEES?

>> YEAH.

I BELIEVE FROM THEIR LAWYER.

THAT WAS RARE.

ONE OF THE LAWSUITS, ONE FRIVOLOUS ONE THAT THE G OP FILED, THAT'S RARE.

THE PLAINTIFF, YEAH, YOU COULD -- IF IT IS A BAD LAWSUIT YOU GET ATTORNEY'S FEES.

IF THEY'RE NOT TESTED.

THEY ARE EXTENSIVELY.

THEY WENT OUT ON A LIMB AND DIDN'T DO FACT CHECKING.

I THINK THAT'S A REAL POSSIBILITY THAT THE LAWYER COULD GET PINGED FOR THE ATTORNEY'S FEES.

>> MARICOPA WANTS IT THROWN OUT.

THE JUDGE HAS NOT RELEASED HIS RULING YET.

THIS SANCTIONS REQUEST FROM THE COUNTY CAME IN EARLIER THIS IT WEEK BEFORE THE RULING CAME OUT.

I DON'T THINK ANYONE BELIEVES IT IS GOING TO BE A MOTION TO DISMISS.

FEDERAL JUDGES, THEY'RE NOT HAPPY WHEN THE LAWYERS TO SUFFER IT LIKE THAT.

SO IF IT ACTUALLY -- WE'LL SEE.

>> I NOTE THAT USUALLY YOU WAIT TO ASK FOR THE ATTORNEY'S FEES AND SANCTIONS YOU WAIT UNTIL AFTER YOU HEAR FROM THE JUDGE.

>> LET'S GET BACK TO PIVOTING.

BLAKE MASTERS, BIG PIVOT.

>> THAT'S MORE OF A U-TURN THAN PIVOT.

ALL DURING THE PRIMARY ELECTION HE CALLED >> THEY DON'T GO HAS HARD.

I THINK INTERNAL POLLING SHOWS YOU DON'T NEED TO GO THAT HARD.

>> CORRECT.

>> THIS RACE.

KAREN ROBSON BIG SPEND, A LOT OF THAT WAS FOR INTRODUCING HER TO VOTERS.

HOBBS DIDN'T HAVE TO GO THAT.

CAREY LAKE DOESN'T HAVE TO DO THAT.

ALL OF THE MONEY YOU WOULD DO, IN DEDUCING YOURSELF TO THE PUBLIC CAN GO ON ACTUAL ISSUES.

MOST OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHO BLAKE MASTERS IS.

>> HE SPENT MONEY BY HIM, AND HIS BENEFACTORS.

WAS IT A LOT OF MONEY SPENT IN THE PRIMARY.

PRETTY HOTLY CONTESTED.

HE'S GOT THAT WORK BEHIND HIM.

BOB MENTIONED PEOPLE WEREN'T PAYING ATTENTION TO THE PRIMARY.

WORK TO DO THERE.

GROUND WORK IS LAID.

THE CANDIDATES, THE SUPER PACKS.

THEY'RE THE ONES HAS WILL GET THEIR HANDS DIRTY AND BEAT UP YOUR OPPONENT.

>> PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHO BLAKE MASTERS IS.

HE'S TRUMP ENDORSED CANDIDATE.

IF THIS FBI THING BLOWS UP I THINK IT HURTS BLAKE MASTERS A LOT.

>> I'LL STOP IT RIGHT THERE.

GOOD TO HAVE YOU.

THANKS FOR JOINING US.

I'M TED SIMONS, HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.

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