>> Ted: NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON, ITS THE JOURNALIST'S ROUNDTABLE AND WE'LL LOOK AT TOM H ROCKORNE'S ATTEMPTS.

>> Announcer: THIS ISIN CONTRIBUTIONS FROM THE FRIENDS OF PBS, THANK YOU.

>> Ted: I'M TED SIMONS.

IT'S FRIDAY AND I'M FOR THE JOURNALIST'S ROUNDTABLE AND FOR A LOOK AT THE WEEK'S TOP STORIES, STACY BARCHENGER OF THE ARIZONA REPUBLIC AND JEREMY DUDA AND MARK BRODIE.

PANEL, GOOD TO HAVE YOU AND THANKS SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

SEARCH TSTACY, CONGRATULATIONS AND YOU WERE THERE AND THIS IS BASICALLY -- WHAT'S THIS AN AD HOC MEETING AND TALK TO US ABOUT THIS.

>> ON TUESDAY, WE HAD THE FIRST MEETING OF THE NEW AD HOC LEGISLATION TO LOOK AT A RANGE OF ISSUES AND OVERSIGHT OF GOVERNMENT TRYING TO INFLUENCE SOCIAL MEDIA, LOOKING AT THE SORT OF, LIKE, BIG TECH ISSUES THAT YOU SEE AND A LOT OF PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF CONSERVATIVES.

IT'S THE FIRST MEETING.

IT TURNS OUT TO BE A FOUR-HOUR HEARING AND THREE HOURS OF IT IS ALL ABOUT ELECTION MANIPULATION.

>> Ted: WAS THIS SUPPOSED TO BE IN ANY WAY ABOUT ELECTION MANIPULATION IN.

>> I?

>> I DON'T THINK SO.

I ASKED THE CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE IF THEY COULD SEPARATE THE ISSUES, RIGHT?

CAN YOU TALK ABOUT SOCIAL MEDIA INFLUENCE AND REGULATION WITHOUT TALKING ABOUT ELECTIONS AND HE SEEMED STUMPED BY THE QUESTION AND IT JUST REALLY EMERGED AND THE DEMOCRAT ON THE COMMITTEE SEEMED TO THINK THAT THIS IS JUST ANOTHER WAY THAT REPUBLICANS IN THE LEGISLATURE KEEP TALKING ABOUT ELECTION LOSSES.

>> Ted: I'M SURPRISED THERE WAS A DEMOCRAT ON THE COMMITTEE AND JUST ONE, RIGHT?

>> IT'S A THREE-PERSON COMMITTEE, CAESAR AGULAR OF PHOENIX ON THE COMMITTEE AND I ASKED HIM WHY HE SIGNED UP AND HE SAID THERE ARE LEGITIMATE ISSUES TO BE TALKING ABOUT.

HE POINTED TO, LIKE, DATA PRIVACY.

LIKE, HOW DO YOU KNOW YOUR INFORMATION ISN'T SOLD BY SOCIAL MEDIA TO OTHER SOURCES OF INFORMATION.

>> Ted: REPUBLICANS, JEREMY, POINTED TO SECRETARY OF STATE AT THE TIME, HOBBS, AND HER REQUEST FOR TWITTER TO NOT REQUEST ACCURATE ELECTION INFORMATION.

TRUE?

>> THIS WAS THE IMPETUS, A FOLLOWED REPORT BY A WATCHDOG GROUP THAT HAD GOTTEN RECORDS FROM THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S OFFICE, WHERE SHE WAS GOING TO TWITTER AND ASKING THEM TO REMOVE POSTS SHE CONSIDERED TO ELECTION DISINFORMATION.

WE'VE KNOWN IN FOR AWHILE AND SEEN THE TWEETS TO HAVE REMOVED.

BUT IT SIDE-STEPPED THE ISSUE OF WHAT ARE THESE TWEETS AND ARE THEY BLATANTLY FALSE AND FOCUSED ON ONE WHERE SHE WAS IN THE WRONG OR SEEMED MORE POLITICALLY MOTIVATED.

FOR THE MOST PART, WE SEE THIS FROM ELECTION OFFICIALS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, ESPECIALLY DEMOCRATS, TRYING TO GET THIS DOWN AND RAMPANT DISINFORMATION, FACEBOOK, SOCIAL MEDIA.

THIS HAS BEEN A CONSERVATIVE TALKING POINT OVER THE PAST YEAR OVER FOLKS LIKE HOBB'S ELECTION OFFICIALS TO GET IT TAKEN DOWN AND CENSORSHIP AGAINST CONSERVATIVES.

>> Ted: THE CONDUCT OF STATE OFFICIALS AND HOW DO WE GET TO KARI LAKE LOST THE ELECTION BECAUSE OF GOOGLE?

>> I THINK THIS WAS ONE OF HER MAIN TALKING POINTS, WAS THAT THE RESULTS, SEARCH RESULTS WERE MANIPULATED TO BRING UP BACK STORIES.

TO STACY'S POINT, THERE ARE LIBERTY TOPICS WITH BIG TECH AND GODNESS KNOWS ANOTHER ELECTED OFFICIALS FOR BLOCKING CONSTITUENTS AND THERE ARE GOOD THINGS TO TALK ABOUT THIS, BUT I'M NOT SURE A LOT OF FOLKS THOUGHT THAT KARI LAKE LOST THE ELECTION BECAUSE OF GOOGLE WOULD BE TOP OF THE LIST.

>> THEY TEED UP KARI LAKE TO MAKE THIS POINT.

THE PSYCHOLOGIST TRAINED AT HARVARD, DR. ROBERT EPSTEIN TESTIFIED ABOUT LOOKING AT GOOGLE SEARCH RESULTS AND WE KNOW THAT GOOGLE TAILORS YOUR RESULTS TO SEARCH HISTORIES.

>> Ted: RIGHT.

>> BUT IF YOU REMEMBER BACK IN 20202020, HE MADE A CLAIM BETWEEN TWO MILLION AND TEN MILLION WERE SUEDE TO HILLARY CLINTON AND PRESIDENT TRUMP TOOK THIS UP AS JUST ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT HE WAS UP AGAINST IN HIS OWN LOSS.

AND THIS ROBERT EPSTEIN, HIS FINDINGS HAVE BEEN CHALLENGED BY OTHERS IN HIS FIELD.

HE WAS THE FIRST OUT OF THE GATE THAT HE BELIEVES AND EXTRAPOLATING INFORMATION ONTO THAT IT'S MANIPULATED.

>> Ted: A LOT OFENINGS OF THINGS WOULD CHANGE WITHOUT GOOGLE.

DOES THIS MAKE SENSE TO YOU?

>> NO.

WE'VE GONE OVER THE REASONS WHY KARI LAKE LOST THAT RACE AND IT'S APPARENT TO A LOT OF FOLKS, AND NOT KARI LAKE OR FOLKS ON THE COMMITTEE.

WE'VE SEEN THE SAME PLAYING OUT IN OTHER RACES IN ARIZONA NATIONALLY.

I'VE HEARD FALSE CLAIMS ALL YEAR ABOUT HER LOSING BECAUSE OF RIGGED ELECTIONS BUT NOT BECAUSE OF GOOGLE RIGGING SEARCH RESULTS.

THESE RESULTS ARE TAILORED TO INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE AND THERE ARE CERTAIN -- I WON'T CALL THEN NEWS ORGANIZATIONS, THAT DOESN'T GET AS REGULAR PLAY AS LEGITIMATE MEDIA ORGANIZATIONS.

THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO -- WHAT COMES UP IN THE SEARCH RESULTS AND I HAVE A HARD TIME BELIEVING THAT THIS HAD ANYTHING.

IT WAS 17,000 VOTES, BUT WE SAW THE REASONS FOR OUR OWN EYES WHAT SWAYED THE SWING VOTERS THAT MAYBE WOULD VOTE REPUBLICAN AWAY FROM KARI LAKE.

>> Ted: THIS KIND OF FOLLOWS A MAYBOOK THAT >> THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PERCEIVED LIBERAL BIASED ABOUT BIG TECH, OPERATIONS LIKE FACEBOOK AND "X," FORM FORMERLY TWITTER AND IT'S A CONTINUATION ABOUT HEARING HOW BIG TECH IS ON THE SIDE OF THE LEFT AND TO THE DETRIMENT OF REPUBLICANS.

>> Ted: DO THEY THINK THAT WITH ELON MUSK AND "X"?

>> I THINK THEY DO.

IT MAKES IT HARDER, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER PLATFORMS BESIDES THAT.

>> Ted: SO STACY, KARI LAKE, YOU WERE THERE AND HOW LONG WERE YOU THERE IN.

>> FOUR HOURS.

>> Ted: WAS IT GOOD FOOD?

>> I WENT TO THE OFFICE AND ATE IN THE BASEMENT.

>> Ted: KARI LAKE SAYS GOOGLE IS ABLE TO DECIDE WHO'S RUNNING THE COUNTRY AND ABLE TO DO MORE SO THAN PEOPLE DO.

OBVIOUSLY IT CHANGED HER RACE.

>> WE TAKE FROM THIS THAT KARI LAKE IS STILL TRYING TO FIND WHY SHE LOST TO GOVERNOR HOBBS THAT AREN'TAROUNDAREN'T A BAD CAMPAIGNS.

ANY CLOSE RACE IN ARIZONA WAS SIDED BY GOOGLE AND THE WINCE WITNESS MENTIONED THE RACE BETWEEN BLAKE MASTERS AND SENATOR MARK KELLY.

THIS IS INTERESTING LOOKING FORWARD.

BOTH KARI LAKE AND BLAKE MASTERS POTENTIALLY LOOKING AT OUR LOOKING AT SENATE RUNS.

THIS IS AFTER A CYCLE LAST YEAR WHEN WE SAW ALLEGIANCE TO TRUMP DOESN'T WIN IN A GENERAL ELECTION.

>> BLAKE MASTERS FROM A TECH BACKGROUND, SPENT A LOCH A A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT ISSUES.

WE SHOULD SEE FROM FROM EPSTEIN MENTIONING FUNDING FOR THIS RESEARCH.

DON'T BE SURPRISED WHEN THIS COMES UP WHEN THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION STARTS IN JANUARY.

>> Ted: JEREMY, ROLLING STONE MAGAZINE ADD AN ARTICLE REGARDING KARI LAKE AND MARGORIE TAYLOR GREEN IN GREENE IN A DEATH RACE AND FOR DONALD TRUMP TO CHOOSE THEM AS A RUNNINGMATE.

WHAT DO WE MAKE OF THAT?

>> MARGORIE TAYLOR GREENE WANTS TO UNDERMINE KARI LAKE.

THAT SHE'S RIDING TRUMP'S COATTAILS.

THERE'S SO MANY DIFFICULT DYNAMICS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE POSSIBILITY OF KARI LAKE BEING THE RUNNINGMATE BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN HEARING TRUMP HAS TALKED ABOUT AND THE INNER-CIRCLE HAS TALKED ABOUT.

IT SOUNDS LIKE SHE'S READY TO LAUNCH A SENATE CAMPAIGN AND SHE'S NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO BOTH AND WOULDN'T APPEAR ON THE BALLOT FOR BOTH HERE IN ARIZONA.

SO I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH OF THIS IS ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, LAKE WANTED TO BE THE RUNNINGMATE OR I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG YOU CAN HOLD OFF AND WAIT TO SEE WHETHER TRUMP WILL PICK BEFORE THE SENATE RACE.

SHE CAN WAIT TO GET INTO MOST CANDIDATES, BUT EVENTUALLY, SHE'S GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION LONG BEFORE TRUDGE TRUDGE WOMEN MAKE TRUMP WILL MAKE A DECISION.

>> Ted: ROLLING STONE HAD A QUOTE THAT HE WASN'T STUPID TO PICK EITHER ONE OF THEM.

>> WE HEARD THERE WERE STORIES EARLIER THIS YEAR ABOUT HOW KARI LAKE MOVED INTO MAR-A-LAGO AND WAS THERE MORE THAN THE FORMER FIRST LADY WAS AT MAR-A-LAGO AND TRYINGSPENDING A LOT OF HER CAMPAIGN MONEY TRYING TO GET INTO HIS GOOD GRACES.

IT'S CLEAR THEY HAVE A CONNECTION.

HE HAS SAID A LOT OF NICE THINGS ABOUT HER AND TRIED TO HELP HER FOR GOVERNOR LAST YEAR, BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES TO BEING THE VP NOMINEE, THAT'S A HUGE DECISION AND IT PROBABLY ISN'T GOING TO COME DOWN TO, LIKE, WHETHER KARI LAKE OR MARGORIE TAYLOR GREENE GETS THE MOST ZINGERS IN.

>> I REED THE FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP IS GETTING ADVICE FROM HIS ADVISERS AND NEEDS TO STEP AWAY FROM MARGORIE TAYLOR TAIL GREENE OR KARI LAKE.

THAT YOU NEED SOMEONE OF A MORE TRADITIONAL REPUBLICAN TO BALANCE OUGHT THAT TICKET, MAKE NIKKI HALEY DOWN THE LINE.

IT WOULD BE TWO TRUMPS, A TRUMP AND A LAKE, ONE HECK OF A CAMPAIGN.

>> Ted: HE'S VISITING KRISTY NOME, ISN'T HE?

>> I BELIEVE, YES.

>> I THINK IF LAKE GETS INTO THIS RACE, THAT SENATE RACE, SHE'LL WANT MORE THAN HIS ATTENTION FOR THE VP RACE AND SHE'LL WANT AN ENDORSEMENT.

WE SAW LAST YEAR, YOU GET THAT TRUMP ENDORSEMENT IN A REPUBLICAN PRIMARY AND GAME OVER AND SHE'S CLEARLY ANGLING FOR THAT.

>> Ted: MARK, LET'S GO TO YOU IN THE DUAL LANGUAGE SUIT, THE STATE SUPERINTENDENT OF PUBLIC INSTRUCTION, TOM HORNE UP TO THE GOVERNOR AND BASICALLY SAYING, THEY'RE NOT FOLLOWING THE LAW HERE.

>> WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THIS, IT APPEARS AS THOUGH, BASED ON WHAT I'M HEARING, HE HAS A GOOD POINT IN THAT THE VOTER APPROVED INITIATIVE SAYS THAT IF YOU ARE NOT PROFICIENT IN ENGLISH, AN ENGLISH LANGUAGE LEARNER, AS THEY'RE CALLED, YOU NEED TO BE STRUCTURED IN ENGLISH EMERGENT AND NOT TAKE CLASSES IN YOUR NATIVE LANGUAGE.

A FEW YEARS AGO, THERE WAS A BUNCH OF DATA COMING OUT SAYING THIS DOESN'T REALLY WORK.

STUDENTS WHO ARE IN THESE CHARGES FALL BEHIND IN OTHER SUBJECTS AND THEY'RE NOT LEARNING ENGLISH ALL THAT WELL.

SO THE LEGISLATURE AND GOVERNOR DUCEY AT THE TIME, UNANIMOUSLY PASSED A LAW THE STATE BOARD OF ED COULD LOOK INTO OTHER MOMS MODELS.

IT CAME UP WITH THIS, WHAT'S CALLED A DUAL LANGUAGE PROGRAM WHERE THE STUDENTS ARE ABOUT HALF THE TIME IN ENGLISH CLASSES AND HALF THE TIME WITH THEIR OTHER CLASSMATES WHO ARE NATIVE ENGLISH SPEAKERS AND HORNE'S POINT IS THAT VIOLATES THE LAW BECAUSE IT DOES PASS THE THRESHOLD FOR THE VOTER INITIATIVE.

IN HORNE'S PURPOSE, IT SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO PRACTICE.

>> Ted: WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF RESULTS AND EDUCATORS SAYING THIS EMERGENT THING IS NOT WORKING AS WELL AS DUAL LANGUAGE AND SOUNDS LIKE SUPERINTENDENT HORNE IS SAYING THAT ISN'T DOESN'T MATTER.

WHAT WAS GOVERNOR DUCEY SIGNING IF THEY KNEW THIS WASN'T FOLLOWING THE LAW?

>> THEY WOULD SAY THEY WERE FOLLOWING THE LAW AND SAW THIS ISSUE WITH STUDENTS FALLING BEHIND, LIKE THE GENERAL POPULATION OF STUDENT BODY AND THEY WANTED TO MAKE CHANGES TO HELP CATCH THOSE KIDS BACK UP.

>> Ted: BUT AGAIN, YOU CAN DO ALL YOUR WANT IN 2019 WITH THAT LAW, BUT IF IT DOESN'T FURTHER WHAT HAPPENED IN 2000, IT DOESN'T FURTHER IDEA THAT HE HAS TO BE KING.

HE HAS A GOOD POINT?

>> THERE WERE FOUR OPTIONS THAT THE BOARD OF EDUCATION CAME UP AND ONE THAT'S FOCUSED ON AND BY THE LETTER OF THE LAW, IT DOES APPEAR SUPERINTENDENT HORNE HAS A POINT AND SOME MIGHT WONDER WHY THEY CARES AND AN ISSUE THAT TOM HORNE, THIS HAS BEEN ONE OF HIS MAJOR ISSUES IN POLITICS.

KATHY HOFFMAN WON BE CHALLENGING THIS AS SUPERINTENDENT BUT NOW TOM HORNE IS TAKING UP OLD PRIORITIES.

>> Ted: WE'LL HAVE SUPERINTENDENTHAVE THESUPERINTENDENT ON THE PROGRAM ON MONDAY AND THEY THREATENED SCHOOLS THAT WENT AHEAD WITH THIS.

HE'S GONE AFTER THIS AND MY QUESTION IS, YOU SAID HE SERVED IN OFFICE BEFORE AND IT'S TRUE, HE HAS.

IF YOU SEE RESULTS THAT AREN'T GOOD, BASICALLY LOWERING THE STANDARDS OF THE TESTS WHICH IS SOMETHING ELSE HE IS DOING AND IS THAT THE ANSWER HERE?

>> TO HIM, I MEAN, THIS IS SOMETHING -- WHAT THE NUMBERS SHOW, WHAT STUDIES SHOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE BELIEVE ARE DEFICIENCIES IN THIS EDUCATION, BUT TOM HORNE HAS BEEN WHETTED IN THIS NOTION FOR A LOT OF YEARS AND GOT THE BACKGROUND AS SUPERINTENDENT IN EDUCATION AND SOMETHING HE FIRMLY BELIEVES IN.

INTERESTING TO SEE IF HE DOES START PROPOSING SOME CHANGES, SOME THINGS THAT COULD BE REFERRED TO THE BALLOT OR THE LAW COULD BE, PERHAPS, BE AMENDED.

FOR NOW HE'S SET SIGHTS ON THIS PROGRAM AND WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS LATER.

>> Ted: IT'S WORTH >> WE HAD HIM ON THE RADIO THIS WEEK AND IT'S TRUE THAT YOU FALL BEHIND IN THE OTHER ACADEMIC FIELDS, BUT THAT IT'S EASIER TO CATCH UP IN THOSE AREAS, IN HIS MIND ONCE YOU HAVE THE ENGLISH DOWN.

I WOULDN'T -- YES, THERE'S A LEGAL ISSUE HERE AND HE BELIEVES THAT THESE PROGRAMS ARE NOT AS BAD AS EVERYBODY ELSE SAYS THEY ARE.

>> Ted: DOES HE HAVE RESULTS OR THE NUMBERS?

HE'S BIG ON TESTING AND ASSESSMENT.

DOES HE HAVE THE ASSESSMENT THERE?

>> HE POINTED TO A STUDY DONE JOINTLY BY HARVARD AND STANFORD AND STUDENTS WERE ABLE TO CATCH UP IN MATH AND SCIENCE AND SOCIAL STUDIES ONCE THEY GOT THE ENGLISH DOWN.

BUT THAT HIS POINT IS, IF YOU DON'T REALLY GET THE ENGLISH DOWN ONE CAN'T EVER CATCH UP TO THE REST OF IT.

>> Ted: IS THIS SOMETHING HE'LL USE, OBVIOUSLY LOUER LOWERING THE STANDARDS HERE, AND SOMETHING HE WILL SAY THAT MOST PEOPLE PASSED AND LOWERED THE STANDARDS AND IT'S WORKING?

>> YOU CAN EXPECT THAT.

IT'S INTERESTING THAT THE POLITICAL DYNAMICS, THE DEMOCRAT ATTORNEY GENERAL, A DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR AND HE'S A REPUBLICAN.

WE'VE SEEN MAYES AND HOBBS TO PUT HIM IN HIS PLACE.

>> Ted: DIDN'T THE GOVERNOR VISIT A DUAL LANGUAGE PROGRAM?

>> AS MAYES AND HORNE WERE BATTLING TO REVOKE FUNDS, THE GOVERNOR WENT TO TWO DUAL LEARN PROGRAMS IN THE VALLEY.

THIS IS FOR PEOPLE THAT SPEAK ENGLISH AND WANT TO LEARN ANOTHER LANGUAGE, THERE COULD BE ANOTHER LANGUAGE.

YOU CAN LEARN SPANISH, MANDARIN, CHINESE AND GIVE YOURSELF A LEG UP IN THE JOB MARKET.

>> Ted: SUPERINTENDENT HORNE IS CLAWING BACK SOME FUNDS THAT THE SUPERINTENDENT OF INSTRUCTION GAVE OUT.

ORGANIZATIONS THAT WEREN'T NECESSARILY TOTALLY SCORE -- EDUCATION SCORING BASED BUT EMOTIONAL WELL-BEING, SOCIAL WELL-BEING.

PAYING FOR BETTER SALARIES FOR TEACHERS AND HE SAID, WHAT, PROVE IT WORKS OR GIVE ME THE MONEY BACK?

>> HE SENT OUT LETTERS TO THE RECIPIENTS OF THE BRANS GRANTS AND SAYING, YOU HAVE FIVE DAYS OR A WEEK TO SHOW ME THE RESULTS OF THIS WHICH WAS NOT AMONG THE CRITERIA IMPOSED WHEN THEY APPLIED FOR THE GRANTS AND SEEMED CLEAR YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT BACK AND REFOCUS ON A PROGRAM.

IT'S TUTORING AND KID WHO FELL BEHIND AND LEARNING LOSS AND BRINGING UP THOSE POOR TEST SCORES ACROSS THE BOARD NOT JUST FROM ENGLISH LANGUAGE LEARNERS.

IT'S THE REPUBLICAN, DEMOCRAT DIVIDE IN EDUCATION AND WHAT YOU FOCUS ON AND KIND OF A MICROCOSM.

THEY WANTED TEACHER TRAINING, AS WELL AND, OK, WE HAVE LEARNING LAWS AND THEY TO FOCUS ON THAT.

GIVE US BACK THE 70 MILLION AND WE HAVE 40 MILLION FOR THE OTHER GRANTS.

>> Ted: REACTION TO THIS FROM THE EDUCATION COMMUNITY?

>> IT SEEMS AS THOUGH -- IT'S HARD TO ARGUE WITH ONE-ON-ONE INSTRUCTION, RIGHT?

AT LEAST JUST BY COMMON SENSE, YOU WOULD THINK IF YOU HAVE A TUTOR OR IN THIS CASE A TEACHER, TEACHERS CAN MAKE EXTRA MONEY BY DOING THIS.

IF YOU HAVE A TEACHER WORKING WITH A STUDENT ONE-ON-ONE, YOU WOULD THINK THE RESULTS WOULD BE THERE.

THE REAL ISSUE HAS BEEN POINTED OUT IS THAT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY AVAILABLE IS NOT ENOUGH TO PROVIDE THIS KIND OF TUTORING FOR EVEN A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THE STUDENTS WHO ARE BEHIND, WHO ARE NOT PROFICIENT IN MATH AND READING.

SO WHAT THE GENERAL THINKING THAT I'VE HEARD IS THAT IT'S GREAT FOR THE STUDENTS WHO WILL GET IT AND NOT NEARLY ENOUGH.

>> Ted: THE TUTORING PROGRAM, BASICALLY SUPERINTENDENT HORNE SAYS THIS IS NEEDED AND NOT JUST GENERALLY, BUT BECAUSE OF COVID AND BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO CATCH THESE KIDS BACK UP.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

HE PITCHED IT AS A WAY FOR TEACHERS TERRIBLY UNDERPAID IN THIS STATE TO SLEPT THEIR SUPPLEMENT THEIR INCOMES.

IT WAS $8,000 A TEACHER COULD MAKE IN THEY PARTICIPATED AND DO THE FULL AMOUNT OF HOURS OF TUTORING.

>> POINTED OUT THAT WE HAVE PROBLEM AND SOME OF THIS MONEY WENT TO TEACHER TRAINING AND WE HAVE A HIRING RETENTION PROBLEM WITH TEACHERS AND HORNE COUNTERED WITH HIGHER SALARIES IS WHAT GETS MORE TEACHERS AND HARD TO ARGUE WITH THAT BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE TEACHERS STAND, IT'S THE BOTTOM OF THE BARREL.

EVEN AFTER SOME OF THE GAINS FROM POLICIES OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS.

>> Ted: S >> Ted: ARIZONA AGREEING TO PAY FOR A RETAINER WALL AND A FRACTION AND TALK TO US ABOUT THAT.

>> ARIZONANS ARE PAYING A LOT FOR THAT ENTIRE PROJECT BUT THE STATE AGREED TO PAY ANOTHER TWO MILLION FOR REMEDIAN DAMAGE THAT THESE SHIPPING CONTAINERS COST AT THE BORDER.

>> Ted: HOW MUCH DID IT COST TO PUT THEM UP AND TAKE IT DOWN?

>> I BELIEVE THE TOTAL WAS OVER 200.

I CAN'T REMEMBER.

>> Ted: PRETTY MUCH THE SAME PUTTING THEM UP AND DOWN, WASN'T IT, JEREMY?

>> ONCE YOU'VE SPENT $200 MILLION, WHAT'S 2.1 MILLION TO END A LITIGATION AND GET IT ALL OVER WITH?

[ Laughter ] >> Ted: THIS IS AFTER ACTUALING LAWSUITS AND SAYING YOU CAN'T DO THAT AND GOVERNOR SAYING, OH, YES, WE CAN.

DOES THIS MEAN THAT THIS IS OVER WITH NOW?

>> MY UNDERSTANDING, THIS MONEY WILL END THAT LAWSUIT WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

BUT WHAT IT DOESN'T END IS WHAT TO DO WITH THE SHIPPING CONTAINERS AND SELLING THOSE TO ANYBODY WHO MIGHT WANT ONE IN VARIOUS SIZES AND CONDITIONS, BUT THERE'S THE ISSUE OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS OF WHAT THOSE CONTAINERS IN THAT AREA DID TO THE ECOSYSTEM DOWN THERE.

THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT THOSE IMPACTS MIGHT BE.

>> Ted: A $2.1 MILLION OF REMEDIATION, THAT WON'T FIX A LOT.

>> PROBABLY NOT, NO.

>> Ted: AS FAR AS THIS IS CONCERNED, BASICALLY ARIZONA ON THE HOOK FOR $200 MILLION FOR WHAT?

>> TO PUT UP AND TAKE DOWN ABOUT TWO NOW SHIPPING CONTAINERS AT THE BORDER.

THIS IS A GOVERNOR DUCEY PROJECT AND HE STANDS BY IT.

HIS REPRESENTATIVES HAVE BEEN QUOTED THAT THIS WAS A WORTHWHILE INVESTMENT BECAUSE IT GOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO ACT, BUT JUST A NOTE THAT THEY ANNOUNCED THEY WERE PUTTING UP THE SHIPPING CONTAINERS AFTER THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION ANNOUNCED THEY WOULD FILL GAPS IN THE BORDER WALL.

>> Ted: IS THAT A VALID ARGUMENT FROM Mr. SCARPANATTO?

>> REPUBLICANS ARE ALWAYS TRYING TO FOCUS ATTENTION ON THE BORDER AND THIS WAS KATIE HOBBS CALLING THIS A PUBLICITY STUN STUNT AND WHAT DO WE GET?

TALKING POINTS AND SHIPPING CONTAINERS KARI LAKE IS TRYING TO UNLOAD.

>> AND IT MIGHT HAVE HOLES AND TEARS AND WHO KNOWS WHAT YOU MIGHT DO WITH IT.

>> Ted: MARK, BEFORE WE GO, I KNOW YOU HAD SENATE WARREN PEDERSON ON THE SHOW AND WHAT'S FOGGOING ON AND SPECIFICALLY, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE AGENCY HEADS WITH A COMMITTEE THAT'S STUCK IN THE MUD?

>> NOT A HECK OF A LOT.

JUST A HANDFUL OF NOMINEES WERE CONFIRMED BY THE SENATE, BUT HE HAS TOLL THAT COMMITTEE, THE COMMITTEE, THAT THE CHARGE WITH VETTING NOMINEES TO GET TO WORK DURING THE INTERIM AND GET MORE HEARINGS GOING AND THAT HE WOULD LIKE THEM TO HAVE SOME NOMINEES LINED UP SO THAT WHEN THE LEGISLATURE COMES BACK INTO SESSION IN JANUARY, THEY CAN VOTE ON SOME MORE DIRECTOR NOMINEES TO TAKE THE OFFICIAL POSITIONS AT THEIR AGENCIES.

>> HE DIDN'T SEEM THEY NEEDED TO DO MUCH BEFORE JANUARY.

>> Ted: THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE, HOW ARE THEY HANDLING IT?

IS IT PANICKING AND ADAPTABILITY ON THE OTHER?

>> THE MESSAGING FROM THE SENATE IS THAT THEY'LL DO THESE IN JANUARY WITHIN THE ONE-YEAR TEAM TIME FRAME AND SO I'M CERTAIN WE WILL SEE COLD FRONT A LOT OF A LOT OF DRAMA.

>> Ted: WAIT FOR IT TO HAPPEN AND AGENCY HEADS ARE WORKING UNTIL SOMEONE TELLS THEM TO STOP, I GUESS, HUH?

>> ONE YEAR AND I GUESS IN THE SENATE VOTES THEM DOWN IN JANUARY, GOVERNOR HOBBS FIGURES OUT TO TO WITH THE NEXT.

>> Ted: SOUNDS LIKE REVOLVING TEMPORARILY AGENCY HEADS.

>> I DON'T SEE THE SENATE LOOKING TO BE ANYMORE CHARITABLE TOWARD NOMINEES THAN IT HAS SO FAR.

>> Ted: PANEL, GOOD TO HAVE YOU AND THANKS FOR JOINING US.

THAT'S IT FOR NOW.

I'M TED SIMONS.

THANKS FOR JOINING US AND YOU HAVE A INTEGRATE GREAT WEEKEND!