>> Ted: NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON," IT'S THE JOURNALIST'S ROUNDTABLE AND WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THE WEEK'S TOP STORIES INCLUDING THE CLEAN ELECTION'S GUBERNATORIAL DEBATE AND ON CHRON KNIGHT NEWS, ONE YEAR SINCE SPORT'S BETTING WAS LEGALIZED AND HOW MUCH ONE SPORT'S BETTING HAS BROUGHT IN.

GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO "ARIZONA HORIZON."

IT'S FRIDAY AND THAT MEANS IT'S TIME FOR THE JOURNALIST'S ROUNDTABLE AND JOINING US TONIGHT IS BOB CHRISTIE, STEVE CHRISTIE AND LAURIE ROBERTS AND PANEL, GOOD TO HAVE YOU AND A LOT TO TALK ABOUT AND LAURIE, WE'LL START WITH YOU THAT THREE ARIZONA REPUBLIC GOVERNORS ARE SUPPORTING WOULD SUPPORT A REPUBLIC RUNNING FOR THE SENATE.

>> THIS COULD BE A KEY RACE AND DECIDE THE MAKE-UP OF THE SENATE.

IT'S NOT SURPRISING TO ANYONE BUT THAT THEY WOULD CHOOSE TO SUPPORT SOMEONE WHO IS A CLEAR ELECTION DENIER AND SAID THE ELECTION WAS A ROTTEN MESS AND THAT DONALD TRUMP SHOULD BE IN OFFICE HAD IT BEEN A FAIR ELECTION.

BUT THAT'S THE NATURE OF POLITICS.

IT'S A TRIBAL GAME AT THIS POINT.

>> Ted: HE HAS FAKE ELECTORS ON HIS CAMPAIGN STAFF AND HE'S BEEN OUT THERE WITH EXTREME POSITIONS AND WE'LL LEARN MORE ABOUT THAT AS TIME GOES ON.

IT'S ONE THING TO SAY, YOU KNOW, I SUPPORT HIM AND ANOTHER THING TO ENDORSE.

>> THE SARCASTIC ANSWER BECAUSE KARI LAKE HAS NOT ASKED, THEY GAVE IT TO BLAKE MASTERS.

THIS COMES DOWN TO THE PART PART ZIN SHIP AND IT'S SOMEWHAT PREDICTABLE.

DO WE KNOW THAT MUCH ABOUT BLAKE MASTERS, OTHER THAN HE'S WRITTEN FAIRLY WRITTEN STRANGE THINGS IN THE PAST.

>> Ted: IF I REMEMBER GOVERNOR DUCEY AND GOVERNOR BREWER, THAT DIDN'T SWING THE NEEDLE.

>> FOR THOSE MODERATE REPUBLICANS ON THE FENCE, WHO ARE SAYING, YOU KNOW, THIS GUY IS ON THE FAR RIGHT AND I'M NOT SURE IF HE CAN GET THE BACKING FROM, YOU KNOW, THE MODERATE REPUBLICAN BASE AND TO HAVE WHAT USED TO BE CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS AND NOW RELATIVE MODERATE BUSINESS FRIENDLY, IT COULD HELP ON THE MARGINS.

THE ONE PART THAT SURPRISED ME WAS JANUARY JAN BREWER AND SHE SAID, I HAVE REAL PROBLEMS WITH KARI LAKE AND SHE RAN ELECTIONS IN THE STATE, JAN DID, AND KNOWS THE FACTS OF THE 2020 ELECTION.

>> Ted: LARTHAT SURPRISED ME.

>> IT WON'T HURT HIM, BUT I DON'T SEE WHERE IT HELPS.

IT MIGHT HELPS THE ESTABLISHMENT MONEY BAGS WHO MIGHT BE CONCERNED GIVE THEM COMFORT LEVEL TO GIVE MONEY AND A FAR MORE IMPORTANT IMPACT IS COMING OUT OF PIMA COUNTY WHEN THE SUPERIOR COURT JUDGE DECIDES WHETHER THE TERRITORIAL ABORTION BAN IS THE LAW IN ARIZONA.

THAT OPINION IS LIKELY TO COME OUT AROUND THE TIME EARLY BALLOTS HIT MAILBOXES AND WILL PUT THAT QUESTION UPPER-MOST IN THE MODERATE REPUBLICAN VOTERS, THAT'S A PROBLEM.

>> Ted: WE'VE SEEING HEMMING AND HAWING.

>> IF YOU WATCH MARK KELLY ADS, WE'RE BEING INUNDATING WITH THE COMMERCIALS.

MASTERS IS TRYING TO DO -- WE'VE EXPECTED ANOTHER BE GUBERNATORIAL NOMINEE, AND DOES LAKE HAVE THE CAPACITY?

BLAKE MASTERS IS TRYING THAT UNDER THE GUISE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PAYING ATTENTION.

>> HE'S RUNNING AD AFTER AD.

>> Ted: LAURIE, THE CLEAN ELECTION'S COMMISSION MET YESTERDAY AND WHEN WE SAY A DEBATE.

>> WE MEAN TWO PEOPLE ON THE STAVE FACING OFF, THINKING QUICKLY, CHALLENGING EACH OTHER WITH, OF COURSE, A WONDERFUL MODERATOR.

>> Ted: THE WAY IT SHOULD BE.

>> AND THEY MADE IT CLEAR, THEY ARE NOT HAVING THIS IDEA OF A TOWN HALL WHERE EACH IS INTERVIEWED BY YOU FOR 30 MINUTES, EVEN WITH THE HARD QUESTIONS.

IT'S NOT A DEBATE AND NOT THE SAME THING.

SHE HAS NOW SEVEN DAYS AND BOTH CAMPAIGNS TO PROPOSE SOME WAYS TO TIGHTEN UP THE DEBATE FORMAT.

IN SEVEN DAYS, KATIE HOBBS HAS TO MAKE A DECISION TO WALK AWAY TO LEAVE TO YOU AND LAKE OR PARTICIPATE.

>> Ted: BOB, HOW MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE DOES THIS MAKE?

THE KARI LAKE CAMPAIGN IS MAKING HAY ON THIS AND WE TALK ABOUT THIS OTHER CHAMBER OF COMMERCE DEBATE, BUT IS THIS MAKING A DIFFERENCE OR HARDENING EACH SIDE?

>> WELL, IT CAN GO BOTH WAYS AS A LOT OF THESE THINGS DO.

KARI LAKE'S ATTACKS ON HOBBS FOR BEING A COWARD FOR WHAT SHE SAID CAN RESONATE.

ON THE OTHER HAND, HOBBS HAS A POINT HEN SHE WHEN SHE SAYS THE LAST DEBATE WAS A LAUGH FEST AND MADE ARIZONA A LAUGHING STOCK IN THE UNITED STATES.

I DON'T WANT THAT.

AND WE WON'T GET ANY GOOD POLICY OUT OF THAT.

>> Ted: AS PART OF THE LAUGHING STOCK.

WE GOT SUBSTANCE OUT OF THE DEBATE.

>> YOU DID AND WORKED OUT AT IT.

>> Ted: THE FACT IS, IS THAT THE REASON OR IS THERE ANOTHER REASON THE HOBBS DOES NOT WANT A DEBATE.

>> SHE THINKS THAT WILL NORMALIZE HER.

HOBBS HAD THE CHANCE TO DEBATE LOPEZ AND I WONDER ABOUT SOMEONE WHO IS NOT THE BEST AS FAR AS PERSONALLALITYITY OR CHARISMA GETTING PRESSURE TO NOT DEBATE LAKE WHEN IF SHE DEBATE LOPEZ, THAT'S FRIENDLIER, BUT SHY WOULD BE QUICK ON HER FEET.

IF SHE GOES AGAINST LAKE, IT'S AN ODD JUXTAPOSITION.

>> Ted: ISN'T THAT WHAT YOU SIGN UP FOR?

>> AND BECAUSE SHE SIGNED UP FOR IT, THERE WERE QUALIFIED, MORE ELOQUENT DEMOCRATS WHO DEFERRED AND DID NOT GET IN.

SHE HAD NO KNOW THE TIME WOULD COME WHEN YOU DEBATE.

FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS, THE CLEAN ELECTIONS IN PBS HAS BEEN DOING THESE DEBATES AND NEVER HAS A GUBERNATORIAL DEBATE SAYS I DON'T WANT TO GIVE THE OTHER SIDE ANY CREDIBILITY.

LOOK, THIS IS BECAUSE YOU HAVE ONE CANDIDATE WHO SPENT HER LIFE ON TV.

SHE'S HIGHLY POLISHED AND VERY GOOD ON TV.

SHE'S GOT LOADS OF CHARISMA AND A WARRIOR.

YOU HAVE KATIE HOBBS WHO WORKED HARD IN HER JOBS AND PUBLIC SERVICE AND THE WALLFLOWER OF BLENDING INTO THE BACKGROUND PERSON AND HAS A DIFFICULT TIME ANSWERING QUESTIONS IN A STRAIGHTFORWARD FASHION.

THERE'S A HUGE CONTRAST BETWEEN THE TWO.

I THINK SHE'S MADE THE POLITICAL CALCULATION IT'S BETTER TO TAKE THE HIT NOW RATHER THAN GO ON CAMERA AND HAVE IT BE A DISASTER FOR HER.

>> Ted: LET'S SAY KATIE HOBBS WINS AND BECOMES GOVERNOR HOBBS.

EVERY TIME SHE WALKS US OUT OF GOVERNOR TOWER, SHE BE SURROUNDED BY REPORTERS AND HAVE TO HANDLE THIS.

>> SHE'S MADE THE CALCULATION AND HERE IS THE MISCALCULATION.

IF SHE DOESN'T WANT TO DO THE DEBATE, YOU DON'T DRAG IT OVER OVER TWO WEEKS.

YOU SAY I WON'T DO THE DEBATE AND THESE ARE THE REASONS WHY, NO NEGOTIATIONS.

INSTEAD, SHE HAS THREE WEEKS OF NEWS CYCLES ON, YOU KNOW, KATIE HOBBS WON'T DEBATE.

>> I THINK SHE'S MAKING HER AS A JUGGERNAUT AS FOR DAYING HER FOR PORTRAYING HER AS A WHACKO.

SHE COULD STAND IT.

>> S A >> IT'S DANGEROUS FOR HER AND THE WAY THAT SHE CAN ELEVATE PERCENTAGEHERSELF IN THE RACE.

>> KATIE HOBBS IS BANKING ON GETTING THE ANTI-KARI LAKE VOTE.

THERE'S PEOPLE THAT DON'T LIKE LAKE AND DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT HOBBS AND I WONDER IF RATHER THAN VOTING, THEY'LL LEAVE IT BLANK AS MANY DID IN THE SALLY CINEMA RACE.

-SINEMA RACE.

SHE HAS TO INSPIRE THE MIDDLE-GROUND VETTERS TO VOTERS TO VOTE FOR HER.

>> MISS HOBBS WON IN 2018, KRISTEN SINEMA DID, TOO AND SHE HAD STATE-WIDE NAME AND SHE HAD SOME AND ABOUT ON MSNBC AND MAYBE SHE'S BANKING ON THAT.

>> Ted: PEOPLE WATCH M SNBC AND THEY'RE IN THE CAMP.

>> THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE SO-CALLED RECOUNT AND THEN SHE'S SAID, WELL, I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT 2020 BECAUSE THAT'S ALL LAKE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT.

AND HOBBS HAD PROBLEMS ON ISSUES OTHER THAN THE ELECTIONS.

SHE KNOWS THE ISSUE UP AND DOWN AND CAN REFUTE THE LIES THAT ARE TOLD BY HER OPPONENT.

LOOK AT THE BORDER AD SHE DID.

IT WAS INSANE THAT SHE'S STRIDING ALONG WITH SHERIFFS ALONG THE BORDER.

IF YOU HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT IT, YOU WOULD HAVE THOUGHT IT WAS A REPUBLIC AD.

WHY YOU ARE TAKING AN ISSUE THAT MAY NOT BE SO POPULAR WITH THOSE PEOPLE IN THE MIDGROUND AND NOT INSTEAD HAMMERING ON ISSUES LIKE ABORTION?

>> Ted: WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AD LAST WEEK AND NOTED SHE WASN'T WEARING A HAT NOR SHOULD SHE BE WEARING JEANS.

[ Laughter ] >> SHE HAD SHERIFFS, YEAH.

>> Ted: BOB, STICKING WITH YOU NOW, THERE WAS A NON-DEBATE FORUM THING WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, REPUBLICAN FRIENDLY, CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AT WHICH THE GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATES WERE THERE AND NONEVENTFUL BECAUSE IT WASN'T A DEBATE.

>> IT WASN'T.

IT WAS FAIRLY PREDICTABLE QUESTIONS FROM THE MODERATOR AND WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO MAKE BUSINESS BETTER IN ARIZONA?

AND KATIE HOBBS DID AS GOOD A JOB AS YOU CAN DO SAYING GOVERNOR DUE DUCEY SAID WE BROUGHT BUSINESS HERE AND I WON'T STOP THAT.

I WON'T RAISE TAXES, WHICH SHE COULDN'T DO ANYWAY AND ACKNOWLEDGED ON THE STAGE SHE COULDN'T COULD AND TWO-THIRDS OF THE VOTE.

SHE'S AT LEAST BEING REASONABLE.

AND THEN KARI LAKE CAME ON AND THE FIRST TWO AND A HALF MINUTES WERE KARI LAKE.

A TONED-DOWN VERSION OF KARI LAKE.

SHE GAVE HER PRESENTATION TO THE AUDIENCE, VERY WELL RECEIVED, AS ONE WOULD EXPECT.

THAT'S WHAT YOU GET.

>> Ted: I BELIEVE SHE USED COWARD REGARDING KATIE HOBBS.

>> ONE THING ABOUT THE KATIE HOBBS AND TAX THING, UNSCIENTIFIC.

I TALKED TO A FEW DEMOCRATS AND YES, THEY'LL VOTE FOR HOBBS, NO QUESTION.

THEY'RE DISAPPOINTED WE CUT TAXES AND PUBLIC EDUCATION.

THEY WANT HOBBS TO SAY I CAN'T RAISE TAX BECAUSE OF THE LEGISLATURE BUT MAYBE WE SHOULD CONSIDER IT.

>> Ted: THAT'S HER WAY OF PIVOTING, IS IT NOT.

>> OH, SURE, IT IS, BUT LAKE WAS PIVOTING, TOO.

NO TRUMP ABOUT TRUMP AND A PASSING REFERENCE AND NO TALK ABOUT THE 2020 ELECTION.

IT WAS INTERESTING -- I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS A DIG AT GOVERNOR DUCEY OR AN ODE TO HIM, BUT SHE PICKED UP HIS 2014 PLATFORM AND SAID I WANT TO DRIVE INCOME TAXES AS LOW AS POSSIBLE AS CLOSE TO ZERO AS I CAN GET THEM AND CUT EVERY TAXES AND CUT IT EVERY YEAR.

WHAT SHE DIDN'T SAY WAS HOW TO AFFORD THAT AND WHAT WOULD BE CUT.

I WISH THE MODERATOR HAD PUSHED A NOTE TO TED WHEN TICKETS WHEN IT GETS THERE, ASK HER HOW TO DO IT.

I THINK THEY LET HER GET AWAY WAYWITH THAT.

>> Ted: THAT REMINDS ME WHEN LAKE SAID SHE WOULD FIRE THE GOVERNMENT AND YOUR RESPONSE WAS, IT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO HEAR AND THAT'S THE SAME THING AS CUTTING TAXES.

>> ABSOLUTELY, IF YOU'RE A REPUBLICAN IN A REPUBLICAN STATE, YOU HAVE TO SAY, I'LL CUT TAXESES.

YOU HAVE TO BECAUSE TAXES ARE TOO HIGH TO EVERYBODY, RIGHT.

THE RESPONSE FROM THE DEMOCRATS SHOULD BE, OK, THAT 10% OF THE VOTERS REPRESENTED -- IN THIS ROOM, THE ARIZONA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, THE WEALTHY, THEY'VE GOTTEN THE BENEFITS AND THE DUCEY TAX CUTS HAVE GONE TO THE WEALTHY AND I WON'T DO THAT IF I'M KATIE HOBBS AND SHE HAS TO POINT THAT OUT AND SHE MAYBE MISSED AN OPPORTUNITY THERE.

>> Ted: AND TO TALK ABOUT IT AFTERWARDS WITH THE PRESS BECAUSE SHE LEFT THE BUILDING AND FLEEING THE INTERVIEW.

>> AND MADE A BIG DEAL ABOUT SHOWING KATIE HOBBS BACK AND NOT BEING INVOLVED IN A SCRUM.

I DON'T PEOPLE WOULD BE SHOCKED HOBBS WANTED TO GET OUT OF THERE, BUT SPIN IT TO THE WAY YOU WANT TO SPIN IT TO THE EXPRESS.

>> Ted: I WANT TO GET TO PRIMARY VOTE PATTERN BECAUSE I THINK THE REPUBLIC SHOWED IN THE GOVERNOR'S RACE AND REPUBLICAN'S SIDE WHERE THE VOTES CAME FROM AND YOU REFERRED TO NUMEROUS TIMES, THERE ARE SWING VOTERS, MODERATES, REPUBLICAN WOMEN AND THEY'RE UP AND DOWN THE 101 CORRIDOR, THE NORTHWEST VALLEY, RETIREMENT COMMUNITIES AND VOTED FOR KAREN TAYLOR-ROBSON.

>> IN 2018, THEY WERE WHAT WE CALL THE DUCEY, SINEMA VOTERS AND NOT REPUBLICAN SENATE HOPEFUL, AND S KYRSTEN SINEMA.

I THINK THIS IS A BAD SIGN FOR KARI LIKE THAT LIKE THAT THEY WENT FOR ROBSON AND THE QUESTION IS, WHERE DO THEY GO?

A LOT OF THOSE VOTERS IN 2018 JUST LEFT IT PLANK.

BLANK.

>> Ted: RIGHT.

>> THEY WEREN'T MOTIVATED AND DIDN'T LIKE MARTHA AND COULDN'T BRING THEMSELVES TO VOTE FOR THE DEMOCRAT.

>> Ted: I WAS SURPRISED THERE WERE RETIREMENT COMMUNITIES.

I WAS SURPRISED THEY WOULD LEAN TOWARDS LAKE AND HAD BEEN IN THEIR LIVING ROOM DOING THE NEWS.

BUT WHAT I'M SAYING, I WAS ADVISED BECAUSE RETIREMENT IS HARDCORE ON REPUBLIC SIDE AND ESPECIALLY CONSERVATIVE REPUBLIC REPUBLIC.

>> WE'VE SEEN PEOPLE FROM THE MIDWEST MOVE AND PEOPLE FROM CALIFORNIA, CALIFORNIA ADMIRE ARIZONA AND MAYBE MODERATE.

>> IT SHOWED THAT OLDER PEOPLE, THAT KAREN TAYLOR-ROBSON OWNED THAT DEMOGRAPHIC AND HAD A TON OF MONEY AND IF YOU TURNED ON WHATEVER THE GAME SHOWS WERE, LIKE "JEOPARDY!"."

>> Ted: WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR THE GENERAL ELECTION?

>> A SLICE OF THE ELECTION THAT'S IN PLAY AND REALLY IN PLAY IN THIS ELECTION.

AND, I MEAN, YOU CAN LOOK AT IT FROM THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE SAYING, LISTEN, WE HAVE REX ELECTION DENIERS AND WE SHOULD RUN THE TABLE IN THIS STATE AND WE SHOULD BE.

FROM A PEER PERSPECTIVE POINT OF VIEW, IF THEY RUN GOOD CAMPAIGNS AND GET THEIR MESSAGE OUT AND MODERATE AND NOT VERY HIGH PROFILE, VERY LEFT IT DEMOCRATS IN THESE RACES, THESE ARE ALL MODERATE DEMOCRATS, THEY SHOULD RUN THE TABLE.

ON THE OTHER HAND, IF THE REPUBLICANS DO WHAT THE REPUBLICANS NEED TO DO, WHICH IS MODERATE, WE'LL HAVE A TITLE ACTION.

>> Ted: SPEAKING OF ELECTION DENIERS, DOUG LOGAN OF NINJA FAME, HE'S IN TROUBLE, HUH?

>> HE HAS TROUBLE GONE ON, THE "WASHINGTON POST" AND CNN SHOW EDHIM WALKING INTO A RURAL GEORGIA COUNTY ELECTION HEADQUARTERS THAT IS THE SUBJECT OF AN INVESTIGATION.

HE CAME IN RIGHT AFTER SOME OF THE MACHINES HAD BEEN BROKEN INTO.

AS YOU KNOW, LOGAN IS ONE OF THE PEOPLE AMONG MANY WHO BELIEVE THE DOMINION VOTING SYSTEM'S MACHINERY IS CHANGING VOTES AND HANDED THE ELECTION TO JOE BIDEN.

WHAT WE FIND OUT THIS WEEK IS THAT HE NOT ONLY IS LINKED IN SOME PERIPHERAL WAY AND MORE DIRECTLY INTO THE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION IN GEORGIA, BUT HE ALSO IS UNDER INVESTIGATION IN FACING POSSIBLE CHARGES FOR SIMILAR THINGS IN MICHIGAN, I BELIEVE IT IS.

AND ALL OF THIS WAS GOING ON AT THE VERY TIME THAT SENATE PRESIDENT KAREN FANN IS HIRING HIM TO BE OUR AUDITOR.

WHAT THE HECK?

>> Ted: AND STEVE, THAT IS WHAT GOT ME, BECAUSE I REMEMBER, YOU KNOW, INTERVIEWING AT THE TIME AND WHY DID YOU CHOOSE THIS PARTICULAR COMPANY THAT HAS THIS MUCH AT THE TIME BAGGAGE?

THIS IS LUGGAGE AND PREMIERE LUGGAGE RIGHT HERE.

THIS DOESN'T LOOK GOOD.

>> I KNEW THERE WAS SOMETHING GOING ON BUT NOT A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION AND WHATEVER IT MAY BE.

THE IDEA SHE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AND WHEN SHE GETS TO THIS THOSE TOUGH QUESTIONS, DOES IT LOOK LIKE PRO TRUMP AND WANTED IT TO WORK OUT THAT WAY?

>> Ted: HOW WILL WE KNOW WHEN THE RECORDS ARE LOCKED OCCUPY?

>> WE WON'T AND THE ARIZONA SUPREME COURT SAYS WELL, AND THE THOUSANDS OF DOCUMENTS THEY HELD BACK, THOSE -- I TALKED TO KAREN FANN THE DAY THE SUPREME COURT RULING CAME OUT AND SAID, KAREN, JUST WAIVE IT.

IF YOU HAD NOTHING TO HIDE, OPEN IT UP.

WELL, I DON'T HAVE TO.

THE LAWYER SAID I DON'T HAVE TO.

IF YOU WANT PEOPLE TO TRUST TO, YOU HAVE TO.

>> THE SUPREME COURT SAID LEGISLATIVE PRIVILEGE APPLIES TO SOME DOCUMENTS AND THEY ALSO SAID THAT THE EXPLANATIONS GIVEN FOR THOSE THESE THOUSAND DOCUMENTS, THE EMAILS AND PHONE CALLS AND TEXT MESSAGES AND THE LIKE, THEY HAVEN'T GIVEN AN EXPLANATION TO THE PUBLIC AS TO WHY THESE ARE PRIVATE.

ALL OF THIS STUFF WITH DOUG LOGAN, IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE COURTS.

I THINK THEY'VE SENT IT BACK DOWN TO THE SUPERIOR COURT AND SUPERIOR COURT JUDGE OR THE SUPREME COURT OR BOTH BACKING EACH OTHER UP, THEY APPOINT A SPECIAL MASTER AND SOMEBODY UNLIKE DOUG LOGAN INDEPENDENT AND UNBIASED TO LOOK AT THESE RECORDS AND FIND OUT WHICH ONES SHED LIGHT ON HOW THIS MAN IS FIRED.

THIS IS OF PUBLIC INTEREST AND CONSEQUENCE.

THIS $150,000 AUDIT COSTS MILLIONS.

>> Ted: THIS BALLOT IS ASSOCIATED WITH INVESTIGATIONS IN TWO SEPARATE STATES OF MONKEYING WITH MACHINES WHAT'S GOING ON HERE?

>> IT'S NOT SURPRISING FROM SENATE PRESIDENT FANN ON WHY SHE HIRED HIM.

LOOKING AT LOGAN, ALL OF THE HIS BACKGROUND AT THE TIME WAS, THERE WAS RED LIGHTS FLASHING AND WE WROTE ABOUT IT AND STILL, SHE HIRED HIM AND KEPT HIM AND WENT FORWARD AND WE ARE WHERE WE ARE.

EVEN IF THE SUPREME COURT ORDER, WHICH DID NOT SAY -- ALL IT SAID WAS YOU HAVE TO GIVE A BETTER EXPLANATION TO THE JUDGE.

IT DOESN'T SAY YOU HAVE TO GIVE IT TO THE JUDGE TO REVIEW IT.

THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE THERE.

>> Ted: STEVE, THERE WERE FOUR SEPARATE REQUESTS BY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE AND GIVES US THE MULES AND JUST GIVES US SOME OF THE MULES AND NOTHING.

THEY WON'T GIVE THEM ANY EVIDENCE AT ALL.

>> WE'VE TALKED EXTENSIVELY ABOUT AFTER THE ELECTION, ATTORNEY GENERAL BRNOVICH SAID IT WAS CARRIED OUT FINE.

IN THE SENATE RACE, THAT WENT OUT THE WINDOW AND FOUR CHANCES AND HIS OFFICE WAS INTERESTED.

AND IF THERE IS EVIDENCE, WASN'T TO GET SOME AND THERE WERE ZEROS ALL ALONG AND NOTHING PROVEN AT ALL.

SO AGAIN, THIS GETS US BACK ALMOST TWO YEARS AGO, WHERE WHAT IS GOING OB ON HERE?

I THINK THIS WILL MAKE THE MARICOPA COUNTY LOOK LIKE ANGELS.

>> Ted: THEY SAID THEY WERE BALLOT HARVESTING AND CHECKING THEIR CELL PHONE DATA.

IT'S BEEN DEBUNKED.

WHEN THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE SAYS GIVE ME THE EVIDENCE AND YOU IGNORE IT, COME ON.

>> I'LL USE THE SAME QUOTE I SAID AWHILE AGO, WHY DID THEY SAY IT?

BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MATTER IT'S TRUE OR NOT.

THERE ARE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS WHO PACKED MOVIE THEATERS WHEN THAT CAME OUT CONVINCED THAT IT SHOWED MALFEASANCE.

>> Ted: THE PUB PUBLISHER SAID THEY CAN'T PUBLISH IT.

>> FIRST COMES THE ALLEGATION AND ALL OF THIS EVIDENCE.

WE HEARD IT FROM RUDY GIULIANI IN NOVEMBER OF 2020.

>> THE HOUSE SPEAKER SAID GIVE ME THE EVIDENCE.

>> WE HEARD IT FROM MARK FINCHAH ANDFINCHAHAM BECAUSE THERE'S A CORE OF THE MAGA NATION THAT SIMPLY WILL BELIEVE ANYTHING AND I GUESS THEY OPEN THEIR CHECKBOOKS AND THEY VOTE FOR THEM AND AMASS MORE AND MORE MONEY AND IT'S A GOOD SCAM.

>> Ted: OPENING THE CHECKBOOKS IS KEY AS FAR AS THAT FILM.

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, A FEDERAL JUDGE PUT AN INJUNCTION ON THE EIGHT-FOOT LIMIT AND THIS WAS SOMETHING THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SAID, I WON'T DEFEND THIS.

>> I WON'T DEFEND THIS, A LAW PUSHED BY REPRESENTATIVE CAVANAGH AND IF YOU'RE WITHIN EIGHT FEET OF A POLICE OFFICER, YOU CAN'T HAVE VIDEO TAPE.

IT WAS 16 AND HE CHANGED IT TO EIGHT AND MORE REASONABLE, HE ARGUES.

IT IS A CLEAR INFRINGEMENT TO THE FIRST AMENDMENT, ACCORDING TO THE ACLU AND THE MEDIA ORGANIZATIONS WHO SUED.

THE ASSOCIATATED PRESS WHO I WORK FOR FILED A COURT BRIEF AND WE WEREN'T PART OF THE CASE.

WHEN THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND THE MARICOPA COUNTY SHERIFF SAY WE'RE NOT DEFENDING IT, THE JUDGE HAD NO CHOICE.

HE LOOKED AT THE LAW AND SAID, IT'S A FIRST AMENDMENT VIOLATION, PRELIMINARY INJUNCTION.

>> Ted: REPUBLICANS, WILL THEY FIND SOMEONE TO TAKE THIS ON?

>> I WONDER IF KAREN FANN WILL HIRE AN ATTORNEY WITH OUR MONEY TO FIGHT US AND KEEP US AND WHEN I SAY US, MINE I MEAN THE PUBLIC FROM DOING THIS.

SEVEN OF THE 12 FEDERAL APPELLATE COURTS RULED IT'S A VIOLATION OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT.

THE SENATES TURNS SAID, I THINK YOU HAVE A PROBLEM AND DID IT ANYWAY AND NOW I GUESS, HAVE ONE OF THE LEGAL EXPERTS WHO IS A LEGISLATORS DEFEND IT.

>> Ted: THEY WERE WARNED ABOUT THIS WHEN IT WAS GOING THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE.

THERE WERE CAUTION FLAGS ALL OVER THE PLACE.

>> THIS ENTIRE SEGMENT IS CAUTION FLAGS AND IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE AND JOHN CAVANAGH CAN BE REASONABLE AND WON'T LOOK GOOD FOR ANYBODY.

>> IT'S CLEAR THIS IS GOING DOWN, AND IT'S NOT NECESSARY.

THERE'S LAWS THAT SAY IF YOU'RE INTERFERING WITH THE POLICE OFFICERS, THEY CAN ARREST YOU.

IF YOU'RE NOT INTERFERING, YOU CAN BE FIVE FEET AWAY FROM THE POLICE.

THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ME STANDING AND JUMPING UP AND DOWN AND GETTING ARRESTED AND NOT GETTING ARRESTED IS FILMING THE ARREST AND OBVIOUSLY A PROBLEM.

>> Ted: PANEL, GOOD TO HAVE YOU AND THANKS FOR JOINING US.

THAT IS IT FOR NOW.

I'M TED SIMONS THANK YOU FOR JOINING US AND YOU HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.

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