[♪ THEME MUSIC ♪] >>> COMING UP IN THE NEXT HOUR OF LOCAL NEWS ON ARIZONA PBS, "ARIZONA HORIZON," THE LATEST ON THE COMMISSION WORKING TO REDRAW ARIZONA'S CONGRESSIONAL AND LEGISLATIVE VOTING MAPS.

ON "CRONKITE NEWS," THE LATEST ON COURT HEARINGS AND PUBLIC OPINION POLLS REGARDING THE STATE'S BAN ON MASK MANDATES IN SCHOOLS.

THAT'S COMING UP IN THE NEXT HOUR ON ARIZONA PBS.

>>> GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO "ARIZONA HORIZON."

I'M TED SIMONS.

ARIZONA RECORDED MORE THAN 2200 NEW CASES OF COVID-19 TODAY.

IT'S A LITTLE LOWER THAN WE HAVE SEEN IN PREVIOUS WEEKS.

NO NEW DEATHS RECORDED TODAY, BUT THAT'S TYPICAL FOR MONDAYS.

HOSPITALIZATIONS STILL UP THERE.

IT IS AT ITS HIGHEST LEVEL SINCE MID-FEBRUARY.

>>> THE GENERAL POPULATION DOES NOT NEED BOOSTER SHOTS OF COVID-19.

THAT IS FROM A GROUP OF INTERNATIONAL SCIENTISTS.

RESEARCHERS SAY THAT THE ORIGINAL VACCINES CONTINUE TO OFFER POWERFUL PROTECTION, AND BOOSTER SHOTS WOULD BE BETTER USED ON THE BILLIONS OF PEOPLE WORLDWIDE WHO ARE STILL UNVACCINATED.

>>> AND A NEW STUDY SHOWS THAT STRESS CAN RAISE BLOOD PLEASURE.

PREVIOUS STUDIED LOOKED AT HOW STRESS INCREASED EXISTING HYPERTENSION.

THIS STUDY FOUND THAT STRESS CAN INCREASE RISK OF STROKE, AND CARDIO VASCULAR DISEASE, AND FIGHTING STRESS CAN HELP.

>>> TWO FORMER REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS HAVE NOW SIGNED ON AS CO-CHAIRS OF ROBSON'S CAMPAIGN.

>>> THE INDEPENDENT REDISTRICTING COMMISSION REDRAWS LEGISLATIVE AND CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT VOTING MAPS WITH EVERY 10-YEAR CENSUS RESULTS.

FOR THE LATEST, WE SPOKE WITH JEREMY DUDA OF "THE ARIZONA MIRROR."

JEREMY DUDA GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE AS WE TALK ABOUT THE REDISTRICTING COMMISSION, USUALLY A PRETTY BIG STORY, BUT RIGHT NOW WITH EVERYTHING GOING ON, IT IS KIND OF LOST IN THE PROCESS.

WHAT DOES THIS COMMISSION DO?

>> EVERY 10 YEARS WE REDRAW OUR DISTRICTING POPULATIONS.

THIS COMMISSION, EVERY TEN YEARS THEY MEET TO DO THAT.

>> AND THE IDEA IS A CERTAIN NUMBER FOR CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT, AND A CERTAIN NUMBER FOR EACH LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT, TRUE?

>> YES.

THE LEGISLATIVE DISTRICTS HAVE TO BE ALMOST PRECISELY EQUAL IN THE DISTRICTS.

>> AND AS YOU MENTIONED EVERY TEN YEARS, WE HAVE GO TO THROUGH IT, BECAUSE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE AN AN INDEPENDENT PROCESS.

YOU HAVE REPUBLICANS, DEMOCRATS, AND AN INDEPENDENT WHO CHAIRS THE COMMISSION.

>> YES, AND THAT INDEPENDENT IS THE CRITICAL PIECE WE HAVE SEEN.

TEN YEARS AGO WE HAD A CHAIR WHO -- YOU KNOW, VERY MUCH SEEMED TO BE ALIGNED WITH THE DEMOCRATS.

TEN YEARS BEFORE THAT YOU SAW A CHEER WHO DEMOCRATS FELT WAS VERY LEANS TOWARDS THE REPUBLICAN SIDE.

>> YOU SAID NO PEN TO PAPER AS OF YET.

IS THERE A DELAY GOING ON?

>> THERE IS.

PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC, THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN DELAYED.

JUST FINALLY GOT THAT LAST MONTH, AND IT LOOKS LIKE TOMORROW THEY WILL BEGIN THEIR WORK IN EARNEST.

>> SO THEY HAVE LISTENING TOURS AND THESE SORTS OF THINGS, BUT TOMORROW RUBBER HITS THE ROAD.

>> YES.

TOMORROW IF THEY HIT THEIR SCHEDULE, THEY WILL APPROVE THEIR GRID MAP.

WHERE YOU HAVE TWO MAPS OF EQUAL POPULATION, BASED SOLELY ON POPULATION.

THERE IS A LIST OF SIX CRITERIA THEY HAVE TO USE, AND THEY WILL BE IGNORING ALL OF THESE EXCEPT FOR THE POPULATION, AND APPLY THE CRITERIA TO BEND AND STRETCH THEM TO GET THE ROUGH DRAFT OF THE DISTRICTS.

>> AND THE OTHER CRITERIA INCLUDES?

>> THE FIRST ONE IS ROUGHLY EQUAL POPULATION.

THEY HAVE TO ADHERE TO THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT.

>> AND A LOT OF THINGS CAN BE DEBATED, RIGHT?

>> YEAH, THE BIG THING IS COMMUNITIES OF INTEREST.

IT COULD BE A NEIGHBORHOOD OR PEOPLE WHO MOSTLY WORK IN A PARTICULAR INDUSTRY, SCHOOL DISTRICT, PEOPLE WHO USE A TRANSPORTATION CORRIDOR, AND YOU HAVE TO RESPECT THOSE COMMUNITIES OF INTEREST, WHICH CAN BE VERY DIVISIVE, BECAUSE YOU CAN USE THAT TO -- YOU RESPECT ONE, YOU MIGHT BE SHAFTING ANOTHER ONE, OR THEY MIGHT PERCEIVE IT TO BE SO.

>> YEAH.

LET'S STICK WITH POPULATION RIGHT NOW.

ARIZONA -- A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE MOVED HERE.

A LOT OF AREAS TEN YEARS AGO HAVE A HECK OF A LOT MORE PEOPLE, AND LESS NOW, WHAT ARE THE BIGGEST CHANGES YOU CAN SEEN?

>> MOSTLY IN THE SUB PERSONS UP IN BUCKEYE AVENDALE, AND NORTH PHOENIX AS WELL.

THESE ARE PREDOMINANTLY REPUBLICAN AREAS.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE VOTER REGISTRATION BREAKDOWNS IN THE CURRENT DISTRICT, YOU CAN SEE THE BIGGEST GROWTH IS IN THESE DISTRICTS.

>> OKAY.

SO BECAUSE SO MANY MORE PEOPLE HAVE MOVED HERE, AND BECAUSE REPUBLICAN AREAS ARE BULGING IF YOU WILL, BY DRAWING DIFFERENT KINDS OF MAPS THAT MEANS MORE DISTRICTS WILL HAVE MORE REPUBLICANS IN THEM?

>> IT COULD.

THE SLATETIVE DISTRICTS, FOR EXAMPLE -- THERE IS SOME PUSH AND PULL ON THE EQUAL POPULATION FACTOR, BUT IF YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT THAT IS OVERWHELMINGLY REPUBLICAN -- DISTRICT GILBERT FOR EXAMPLE, THEY WILL HAVE TO TAKE A LET OF THOSE RESIDENTS, THE MAJORITY OF WHOM ARE REPUBLICANS, AND MOVE THEM INTO DIFFERENT DISTRICTS.

>> INTERESTING.

AS FAR AS CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS, ARE THEY WAITING BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE ARE WAITING ON THE SIDELINES TO FIGURE OUT IF THEY ARE GOING TO RUN.

>> YEAH, WE HAVE TWO DISTRICTS THAT ARE PREDOMINANTLY BE THE SAME.

AND THOSE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO WORRY ABOUT.

BUT YOU TAKE DISTRICT 9 WHICH WAS THE FOCUS OF A LOT OF CONTROVERSY TEN YEARS AGO, AND YOU COULD HAVE SOMETHING SIMILAR THAT COULD GET CHOPPED UP FOUR DIFFERENT WAYS AND GIVEN TO FOUR DIFFERENT DISTRICTS.

SOUTHERN ARIZONA, THERE ARE A LOT OF DEMOCRATS RUNNING THERE RIGHT NOW, AND IT FOR MOST OF THESE, IT IS REALLY HARD TO GUESS, BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO WIPE THE MAP CLEAN AND JUST START FROM SCRATCH.

>> AND WHEN WILL THIS ALL BE A FINISHED PRODUCT?

>> TENTATIVELY, THE ASPIRATION SCHEDULE WOULD HAVE THEM APPROVE DRAFT MAPS IN LATE OCTOBER, AND THE FINAL MAPS IN LATE DECEMBER, ALTHOUGH THEY ARGUE THAT IT COULD GO INTO EARLY OR MID-JANUARY.

>> AND THEN THE STAMPEDE COMMENCES.

>> A LOT OF FOLKS PROBABLY WON'T BE WAITING FOR THAT.

>> IT'S AWFULLY LATE DUE TO AN ELECTION YEAR.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING LEAVING RETIREMENT TO GET INVOLVED IN GIG WORK FOR COMPANIES LIKE UBER AND INSTACART.

>>> TONIGHT WE TAKE A LOOK AT GIG WORK AS PART OF OUR MONTHLY AARP-SPONSORED SEGMENT IMPORTANT TO ISSUED TO OLDER ADULTS.

MANY OLDER WORKS NOW RETURNING TO THE WORKFORCE FOR GIG WORK.

WE LEARNED MORE ABOUT GIG WORK FROM WAYNE GOSHKARIAN WITH THE ASSOCIATION FOR ENTREPRENEURSHIP USA.

WAYNE, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US AT "ARIZONA HORIZON."

WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

WE'RE TALKING RETIREES RETURNING TO WORK.

HOW COMMON IS THIS?

>> WELL, IT'S REALLY EXTREMELY COMMON TODAY.

YOU KNOW, I THINK OF MY GRAND PARENTS WHO LANDED AT ELLIS ISLAND, AND THEY WORKED SOMEWHERE FOR 30 YEARS, AND THEY HAD A NICE PENSION PLAN AND SOCIAL SECURITY, AND THEY SAT IN THEIR ROCKING CHAIR AND THEIR HOME WAS PAID OFF, AND LIFE WAS GOOD.

BUT SO MUCH HAS CHANGED.

MANY OF US DON'T HAVE A PROPERLY FUNDED PENSION PLAN, OR BECAUSE OF PUTTING KIDS THROUGH SCHOOL FOR EDUCATION AND LIFE'S CHALLENGES, WE DIDN'T SAVE AS MUCH AS WE USED TO, AND WE TO 65, AND WE LOOK AT THAT SOCIAL SECURITY NOTICE, AND YOU SEE YOU ARE GOING TO GET $1,700 A MONTH, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY, I NEED TO GO BACK TO WORK.

>> FOR THE HIGHER INCOME, THOUGH, THAT IS SOMEWHAT SET AS FAR AS RETIREMENT, A LOT OF THOSE FOLKS ARE GOING BACK TO WORK AS WELL.

WHAT ARE THE REASONING THERE?

>> WELL, I RETIRED MYSELF IN 2006, AND FRANKLY, GOT BORED.

I HAD TWO SMALL KIDS.

I WAS A SINGLE PARENT.

I HAD ENOUGH MONEY TO SUSTAIN MYSELF FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE, BUT AS THE KIDS GOT OLDER, I JUST GOT BORED TO DEATH.

WE LITERALLY SPENDING MOST OF OUR ENTIRE ADULT AGE WORKING, GETTING UP IN THE MORNING, BEING PRODUCTIVE.

SOCIAL CONTACT WITH COWORKERS, HAVING A PURPOSE, AND TO GET UP ONE DAY, AND SAY, YOU DON'T NEED TO DO THAT ANYMORE.

I'M GOING TO RETIRE.

I'M GETTING SOCIAL SECURITY, PENSION CHECK, AND THE HOUSE IS PAID OFF, IT IS BORING, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.

SO I WENT BACK TO WORK.

I'M 62 MYSELF.

I GOT NOTICE I COULD START COLLECTING AT $6,200 A MONTH, AND I THOUGHT, WHAT AM I GOING TO DO WITH THAT?

>> FOR OTHERS, THOUGH, THERE IS THE GIG ECONOMY.

HOW DOES THAT FACTOR INTO ALL OF THIS?

>> I THINK THE GIG ECONOMY, YOU KNOW, WITH THE INTERNET, SMARTPHONES, HAS REALLY EMPOWERED SOMEONE SITTING AT HOME AND EARNING AN INCOME.

IT GIVES YOU THE FLEXIBILITY OF, WOEING AT HOME.

MAKING AS LITTLE OR AS MUCH AS YOU WANT.

AND I THINK IT HAS EMPOWERED -- IT'S INTERESTING, DURING THE CORONAVIRUS THAT A RESTAURANT -- AND I ASKED THE WAITRESS, WELL, WHAT IT IS LIKE TO WEAR THIS MASK ALL DAY LONG?

AND SHE SAYS, WELL, I SELL THEM ON eBAY.

THE INTERNET AND A SMARTPHONE HAS CHANGED EVERYTHING.

AND JUST WATCH AN EPISODE OR TWO OF SHARK TANK.

THE GIG ECONOMY HAS EXPANDED TO ALLOW ANYBODY WITH A PASSION OR DESIRE TO DO SOMETHING, TO BE ABLE TO MAKE MONEY, AS MUCH OR AS LITTLE AS THEY WANT.

>> SO WHAT SHOULD RETIREES TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHEN PREPARING FOR RETIREMENT AND SAYING, I WOULDN'T MIND GETTING BACK INTO THE WORKFORCE AFTER RETIREMENT.

>> LET'S LOOK AT THE BOTTOM TWO/THIRDS.

THOSE -- THE TWO/THIRDS ARE SAYING, FIRST OF ALL, YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE ALL OF YOUR MONEY IN THE STOCK MARKET, BECAUSE THE STOCK MARKET CAN CHANGE, AND THEN YOU HAVE LOST MOST OF YOUR ASSETS, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, THINK ABOUT WHAT ARE YOUR GOALS -- AND WHAT IS YOUR VISION, VALUES AND GOALS?

ARE YOU WANTING TO TRAVEL MORE?

WELL, THEN HOW MUCH EXTRA MONEY DO YOU HAVE TO MAKE TO CONTINUE THAT LIFESTYLE.

AND MANY GRANDPARENTS ARE ACTUALLY TAKING CARE OF THEIR KIDS.

THEIR DAUGHTER HAS TWO KIDS, AND SHE GOT A DIVORCE, AND NOW THEY ARE FINDING THEMSELVES RAISING ANOTHER FAMILY.

SOMEONE IN OUR OFFICE, HER SON WHO HAS TWO KIDS, JUST HAD TWINS.

SO NOW THEY HAVE FOUR CHILDREN.

SHE IS FINDING HERSELF HAVING TO WORK HERSELF AND HELP WITH THOSE GRANDCHILDREN.

SO RETIREES ARE DEALING WITH A LOT DIFFERENT SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES THAN THEY DID 30 OR 40 YEARS AGO.

>> WAYNE GOSHKARIAN WITH THE ASSOCIATION FOR ENTREPRENEURSHIP USA, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

WE APPRECIATE.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

>>> A NEW DOCUMENTARY ENTITLED "SANDRA DAY O'CONNOR: THE FIRST" WILL AIR TONIGHT ON ARIZONA PBS.

IT SHOWCASES THE LIFE OF SANDRA DAY O'CONNOR.

>> I HAVE A STATEMENT TO MAKE.

I SEND TO THE SENATE OF JUDGE SANDRA DAY O'CONNOR TO THE SUPREME COURT.

>> IT WAS A SECURITY FORCE I HAVE POLITICAL PICK.

THIS WOMAN LOOKS LIKE SHE COULD BE ON THE PTA.

>> SHE COULD CARRY BOTH ROLES.

>> FORMER ARIZONA SUPREME COURT CHIEF JUSTICE RUTH McGREGOR CLERKED FOR SANDRA DAY O'CONNOR ON THE SUPREME COURT.

WE SPOKE WITH HER ABOUT HER RELATIONSHIP.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

I'M SPEAKING TO YOU, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SANDRA DAY O'CONNOR.

>> [ INAUDIBLE ].

>> NO KIDDING.

TALK ABOUT YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH JUSTICE O'CONNOR.

>> I FIRST MET HER WHEN I STARTED WORKING AS A LAWYER.

[ INAUDIBLE ] I DIDN'T GET TO KNOW HER PROFESSIONALLY UNTIL SHE WAS APPOINTED DO THE SUPREME COURT, AND I WENT BACK DURING FIRST YEAR [ INAUDIBLE ].

>> CLERKING FOR JUSTICE O'CONNOR.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> HOW DOES SOMETHING LIKE THAT WORK?

>> EACH SUPREME COURT IS ENTITLED TO FOUR LAW CLERKS, WHO ARE USUALLY RECENT GRADUATES FROM LAW SCHOOL, AND BEFORE JUSTICE STEWART RETIRED, HE HIRED THREE LAW CLERKS, AND JUSTICE O'CONNOR DECIDED TO KEEP THEM ALL AND HIGHER ONE MORE, WHICH WAS ME.

>> DID YOU KNOW YOU WERE WORKING FOR HISTORY IN THE MAKING?

>> WELL, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS RECENTLY, WE WERE AWARE OF IT, BUT YET NONE OF US KEPT A JOURNAL AND TOOK VERY FEW PICTURES, BUT WE WERE VERY MUCH AWARE THAT IT WAS HISTORY IN THE MAKING.

>> BUT YOU COULDN'T LINGER, COULD YOU?

YOU HAD WORK TO DO AND YOU HAD TO GET IT DONE.

>> WE DID, AND JUSTICE O'CONNOR DOES NOT LIKE EXCUSES FOR WORK NOT BEING DONE.

>> YEAH, I BET.

SHE SEEMED LIKE A NO-FOOLING-AROUND, NO FUNNY BUSINESS HERE.

WAS SHE AWARE OF HER CELEBRITY STATUS?

>> EVERYWHERE SHE WENT ALMOST EVERYONE RECOGNIZED HER.

AND VERY OFTEN THE PEOPLE -- ONCE THEY RECOGNIZED HER WOULD COME UP AND INTRODUCE THEMSELVES, SOMETIMES ASK FOR A PICTURE.

I OFTEN THOUGHT IT WAS FORTUNATE WHICH DIDN'T HAVE CELL PHONES AT THAT TIME, BECAUSE EVERYBODY WOULD HAVE BEEN TAKING PICTURES OF HER.

BUT IT WAS REINFORCED EVERY DAY BY THE LETTERS SHE GOT, AND PEOPLE WANTING TO SEE HER.

IT WAS A CONSTANT BARRAGE OF ATTENTION.

>> AND YOU TELL A STORY OF WHEN SHE WAS IN A GORGE CONTINUE TO GROCERY STORE ONE DAY.

>> YES, WE HAD GONE AFTER WORK TO A GROCERY STORE, AND WE WERE IN A PRODUCE SECTION, AND A WOMAN CAME UP AND SAID, ARE YOU JUSTICE O'CONNOR?

AND SHE SAID, YES.

AND THE WOMAN HAD NOTHING TO SIGN, SO SHE PICKED UP A CANTALOUPE TO HAVE HER SIGN IT.

>> MY GOODNESS.

BUT SHE ALWAYS SEEMED IN CONTROL.

SHE ALWAYS SEEMED GRACEFUL, MEASURES -- I MEAN IT NEVER SEEMED LIKE ANY OF THIS REALLY GOT THE BETTER OF HER.

>> YEAH, IT REALLY DID NOT SEEM THAT WAY.

I KNOW THERE WERE PRIVATE MOMENTS OF DOUBT, BUT SHE WAS THE MOST EFFICIENT, CAPABLE PERSON I HAVE EVER BEEN ALONE, AND I THINK I HAVE KNOWN A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY GOOD AT THINGS, BUT SHE IS ALWAYS JUST A STEP ABOVE EVERYONE ELSE.

AND SHE JUST MOVED AHEAD -- AS SHE LEARNED WHEN SHE WAS A CHILD, WHEN THERE IS A JOB TO BE DONE, SHE DOES FIND A WAY TO DO IT, AND THAT KIND OF CALMNESS EFFECTS THE PEOPLE WHO WORK AROUND HERE.

I THINK WE ALL TENDED TO BE LESS STRESSED AND MORE CALM THAN WE MIGHT HAVE BEEN IN ANOTHER SITUATION, BECAUSE SHE JUST PROJECTS THAT FEELING.

>> I WAS GOING TO ASK ABOUT HER IMPACT ON YOU PERSONALLY.

COULD YOU SENSE THIS IMPACT WHEN YOU SERVED ON THE ARIZONA SUPREME COURT, INCLUDING CHIEF JUSTICE?

>> OH, YEAH.

I MEAN WHEN THE TIME I FIRST WORKED WITH HER PROFESSIONALLY, SHE HAD A PROFOUND IMPACT ON ME.

WE ALL JUST TRIED TO MEET THE STANDARDS SHE SET FOR HERSELF.

AND SHE WAS NOT PUSHY, BUT SUGGESTING WHAT YOU COULD DO, AND SHOULD DO, ENCOURAGEMENT FOR SURE.

WHEN I WAS APPLYING FOR THE ARIZONA SUPREME COURT, I WAS A DEMOCRAT, AND MY GOVERNOR WAS A REPUBLICAN, SO I REALLY THOUGHT I WOULDN'T APPLY, AND SHE SAID, IT IS TIME YOU APPLY.

DON'T WORRY ABOUT THE OTHER STUFF.

AND SHE DID THAT WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE TO REACH OUT FOR THEIR DREAMS AND TRY TO DO WHATEVER THEY SAW IN THEIR FUTURE.

SHE IS VERY GOOD AT SERVING AS A ROLE MODEL.

>> YEAH.

YEAH.

LAST QUESTION -- AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, AGAIN.

THE IMPACT OF JUSTICE O'CONNOR OVERALL AND IN GENERAL ON THE LAW?

>> YEAH, I HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS IS A LOT AS THIS ANNIVERSARY COMES UP.

AND WHEN HER NAME WAS ANNOUNCED THOSE OF US WHO WERE PRACTICING LAWYERS WERE JUST SO EXCITED.

IT REALLY OPENED POSSIBILITY.

BECAUSE WE SAW THAT THAT WOMEN WILLING TO SERVE ANYWHERE IN THE LEGAL PROFESSION -- AND THIS IS AT A TIME WHEN WOMAN IN THE LAW WERE REGARDED WITH GREAT SCRUTINY BY THE MEN, LAWYERS AND JUDGES, SO THE FACT THAT SHE WAS APPOINTED JUST MADE SUCH AN IMPACT, AND ALSO, I THINK IT SERVES AS A MEASURE TO A LOT OF YOUNG MEN, BUT WOMEN ESPECIALLY, BUT I THINK HER FULL IMPACT -- WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK BACK OVER ANOTHER 40 YEARS TO FULLY REALIZE THE IMPACT SHE MADE.

>> RUTH McGREGOR THANK YOU SO MUCH TO SPEAKING WITH US.

>> THANK YOU, TED.

IT HAS BEEN GREAT TO TALK TO YOU.

AND AGAIN, YOU CAN WATCH "SANDRA DAY O'CONNOR: THE FIRST" TONIGHT AT 8:00 RIGHT HERE ON ARIZONA PBS.

>>> AND THAT IS IT FOR NOW.

I'M TED SIMONS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING.

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