
09-17-21: Journalists' Roundtable, Zora Folley exhibit
Season 2021 Episode 189 | 27mVideo has Closed Captions
The journalists' roundtable discusses the election audit findings. Jody Crago talks Folley
The Journalists' Roundtable discusses the election audit findings as well as the challenge of the mask mandate. Jody Crago, the administrator of the Chandler Museum joins the show to discuss the life of Zora Folley going from boxer to City Councilman and why he has his own exhibit at the museum.
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09-17-21: Journalists' Roundtable, Zora Folley exhibit
Season 2021 Episode 189 | 27mVideo has Closed Captions
The Journalists' Roundtable discusses the election audit findings as well as the challenge of the mask mandate. Jody Crago, the administrator of the Chandler Museum joins the show to discuss the life of Zora Folley going from boxer to City Councilman and why he has his own exhibit at the museum.
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TIME NOW FOR THE JOURNALISTS' ROUNDTABLE, AND FOR A LOOK AT SOME OF THE WEEK'S TOP STORIES, WE WELCOME MARY JO PITZL OF THE ARIZONA REPUBLIC AND BOB CHRISTIE OF THE ASSOCIATED PRESS.
PANEL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.
WE HAVE A LOT TO TALK ABOUT.
MARY JO, WE'LL START WITH YOU.
WE HAVE A MEETING THAT WE'RE RECORDING IN THE AFTERNOON.
THE MEETING HAS NOT HAPPENED YET, THE BOARD OF MARICOPA SUPERVISORS ON HOW TO HANDLE SUBPOENAS.
>> THEY WERE FOUND TO BE IN VIOLATION OF STATE LAW BY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL LAST MONTH BECAUSE THEY DID NOT FULLY COMPLY WITH THE SUBPOENAS THAT WERE ISSUED BY THE STATE SENATE FOR THE AUDIT.
THEY CAN COMPLY, THEY CAN AND OVER THE ROUTERS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.
THEY CAN WORK OUT AN AGREEMENT OR THEY CAN SAY NO.
IF THEY SAY NO THEN THEY FACE THE LOSS OF ALL THEIR SHARE STATE SALES TAX REVENUE.
>> IT'S UNCLEAR.
IF THEY SAY THEY THINK IT VIOLATES THE LAW THEN IT AUTOMATICALLY GOES TO THE SUPREME COURT.
BUT ANYONE CAN GO TO COURT.
ONE OF THE OPTIONS THEY'VE SERIOUSLY CONSIDERED, AND I KNOW THEY HAVE, IS FILING SOME TYPE OF LAWSUIT.
THIS LAW WHICH WAS PASSED ABOUT FIVE CARRIES AGO WHICH ESSENTIALLY GIVES ONE LAWMAKER THE ABILITY TO ASK THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TO REVIEW A LOCAL POLICIES, GOVERNMENT POLICY, AND IF IT DOESN'T COMPLY WITH STATE LAW, HE SAYS IT DOESN'T, AND HE LOSES ALL STATE BUDGET.
IT SEEMS FAIRLY UNFAIR AND I THINK IT'S FAIRLY CLEAR THAT BECAUSE THERE IS SUCH A PENALTY, THERE IS A WAY TO GO TO COURT.
>> AND I WOULD SAY THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A TOUGH DECISION BECAUSE FROM OUT OF THE GATE, SHERIFF PAUL PENZONE SAID NO WAY ARE WE GOING TO TURN THE ROUTERS OVER.
THAT COULD IMPERIL THE DATA TO THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM.
HE SAID HE WOULD BE WILLING TO GO TO COURT ON THAT.
I GUESS WE'LL SEE LATER TODAY IF HE'S ABLE TO CONVINCE THE SUPERVISORS.
>> DO YOU EXPECT SOMETHING TO HAPPEN LATER TODAY?
>> IT'S QUITE POSSIBLE.
THEY PUT A BACKUP MEETING FOR MONDAY.
MID AFTERNOON THE EXACT SAME AGENDA THAT THEY HAD TODAY WHICH WOULD GO INTO EFFECTIVE SESSION.
THE BOARDS WILL COME UP WITH A FINAL PLAN.
THEY'LL COME OUT AND THEY'LL PROBABLY ANNOUNCE WHATEVER DECISION THEY'RE MAKING.
THEY PUT THAT SAME AGENDA ON FOR MONDAY.
WHO KNOWS WHAT THAT MEANS.
MAYBE WE'LL BE SITTING HERE AT 11:00 AT NIGHT AND THE SUPERVISORS WILL SAY WE'RE NOT FINISHED YET, LET'S GO HOME AND DO IT AGAIN MONDAY.
>> THEY HAVE UNTIL SEPTEMBER 27TH TO MAKE A DECISION TO GIVE A REPLY.
SO THERE IS SOME TIME.
AND MARY JO, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO GET A FINAL REPORT ABOUT THIS SO-CALLED AUDIT, THE SELF STYLED AUDIT THAT WE'VE HAD FOR MONTHS NOW.
A WEEK FROM TODAY.
1:00.
IS IT GOING TO HAPPEN?
OR IS THIS ONE OF THOSE WE'RE NOT QUITE READY YET.
>> I FULLY EXPECT IT WILL HAPPEN.
IT'S CLEAR THAT THE SENATE HAS BEEN MAKING PLANS.
THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT SEATING ARRANGEMENTS, STREAMING IT, WHERE TO PUT PEOPLE, THE NEWS MEDIA, WHERE TO MAKE ROOM FOR POST INTERVIEWS.
I THINK THE SENATE PRESIDENT WANTS THIS OUT THERE.
IT'S WAY BEHIND SCHEDULE.
PEOPLE ARE VERY ANXIOUS FOR THIS NO MATTER WHERE YOU COME FROM ON THE AUDIT.
THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY THE SUPPORTERS WHO BELIEVE THIS WILL SHOW THAT TRUMP HAD THE ELECTION STOLEN FROM HIM.
THEY'RE GETTING VERY IMPATIENT.
WHAT'S THE PATTERN HERE.
>> I THINK IF WE LOOK AT THE PRIOR QUOTE/UNQUOTE HEARINGS THAT WE'VE HAD.
THERE IS GOING TO BE A PRESENTATION BY DOUG LOGAN, AND BY OTHER PARTICIPANTS IN THE AUDIT PROCESS SECRETARY OF STATE.
THEY'LL PRESENT I ASSUME THEY'LL PRESENT THEIR FINDINGS, THEY'LL PUT UP A BIG SCREEN SO EVERYBODY CAN SEE IT.
THEY'LL GO THROUGH A POWER POINT.
TALK ABOUT ALL OF WHAT THEY FOUND.
AND YOU KNOW, THERE ARE FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT PARTS OF THIS.
THEY DID A HAND COUNT.
THE SPINNING LAZY SUSAN WHERE PEOPLE WERE INDIVIDUALLY COUNTING INDIVIDUAL RACES.
WELL, THAT'S A RECIPE FOR DISASTER.
MACHINE COUNTS ARE USED BECAUSE THEY'RE SO ACCURATE.
THEY'RE FAST AND ACCURATE.
YOU GET HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE IN A CIRCLE TRYING TO INDIVIDUALLY COUNT YOU COULD BE OFF BY A FACTOR, A PRETTY LARGE FACTOR.
THEY ALSO LOOK AT THE COMPUTER PROGRAMS, THE SOFTWARE, THE COUNTING MACHINES.
THERE ARE TWO OR THREE DIFFERENT PHASES THAT THEY'LL PRESENT TO US.
>> WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THE COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FAILING TO COMPLY WITH SUBPOENAS WITH THE CRUCIAL INFORMATION THAT THEY NEED FOR THIS AUDIT.
THEY DON'T HAVE THE CRUCIAL INFORMATION THAT THEY NEEDED FOR THE AUDIT.
HOW COULD THEY GET A FINAL REPORT BY NEXT WEEK.
>> WELL, THEY DID SAY IF THE ROUTERS AND PASSWORDS SHOW UP, THEN THE CYBER NINJAS CAN CONTINUE THEIR WORK UNDER THE CONTRACT.
BUT AS FAR AS THEY'RE CONCERNED THIS REPORT IS COMING OUT AND THEY'LL MOVE ON.
>> WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE CYBER NINJAS THEMSELVES AND THEIR RECORDS.
THE SUPREME COURT DECIDE THAT THE WHOLE BUSINESS OF THE SENATE SAYING WE DON'T HAVE THE RECORDS CYBER NINJAS HAVE THEM AND THE CYBER NINJAS SAYING YOU CAN'T HAVE THEM.
IN LEGAL TERMS, BALONEY?
>> A LEFT-LEANING TRANSPARENCY GROUP SUED FOR THE RECORDS.
THEY SAID CYBER NINJAS IS DOING A GOVERNMENT JOB.
A DIRECT GOVERNMENT JOBS.
THEY'RE NOT PAVING ROADS, THEY'RE DOING A JOB DONE BY GOVERNMENT, COUNTING BALLOTS.
THE SENATE SAID WE'LL RECOUNT.
THEY GAVE IT TO THE CYBER NINJAS.
THEY SUED IN THE LOWER COURTS AND COURT OF APPEALS IN A DAY AFTER HEARING ORAL ARGUMENTS THEY SAID ABSOLUTELY THESE ARE PUBLIC RECORDS AND THEY HAVE TO BE RELEASED.
IT WENT TO THE SUPREME COURT.
THE SUPREME COURT HELD IT FOR A MONTH.
THEN WITH NO WORD, NO EXPLANATION SAID YEAH, THE SUPREME COURT OPINION, THAT STANDS.
THESE ARE PUBLIC RECORDS AND THEY HAVE TO BE RELEASED.
>> THE CYBER NINJAS SAID HERE IS THE DIRECTIVE, YOU HAVE TO HAND IT OVER.
NOW THEY'RE SAYING TOO BUSY TO DO THIS.
THEY NEED 30 DAYS.
>> YES.
THEY WERE TOLD TO TURN THEM OVER IMMEDIATELY, BUT "IMMEDIATELY" SEEMS TO BE AN ELASTIC WORD.
>> EVERYONE IS HAVING A GREAT 'OL TIME WITH THE CELEBRATION.
>> THEY SAY IT'S NOT A CELEBRATION.
IT WAS A REUNION OF THE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WERE OBSERVERS OF THE AUDIT PROCESS DOWN AT THE STATE FAIRGROUNDS AND IT WAS A GET TOGETHER, AND HAVE A REUNION.
BUT THE CLASS HAS NOT GRADUATED YET.
>> OPTICS, BOB?
>> IT LOOKS BAD.
IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS ON THIS SHOW, IT'S BAD POLITICS.
FOR ANYONE TO THINK LET'S TWEET OUT PHOTOS OF US WHILE WE'RE MONTHS LATE OF THIS AUDIT THAT IS COSTING THE TAX PAYERS HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, AND IT'S GOT THE UNITED STATES IN ATIESY, AND THE CYBER NINJA GUY HAS COVID AND THAT'S WHY IT'S DELAYED FOR TWO WEEKS.
NOW HE'S PARTYING WITH ALL THESE PEOPLE.
IT JUST LOOKS BAD.
>> COUNT SHERIFF FOUND OUT, AND SAID SOMEONE BETTER DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS AND QUICK.
>> HE'S THE FIRST ONE TO SOUND THE ALARM THAT SAID OUR COUNTER ATTORNEY IS TRYING TO RUN THE OFFICE FROM A REHABILITATION CENTER IN CALIFORNIA.
IF YOU'RE IN REHAB YOU NEED TO PUT YOUR ENERGY AND ATTENTION ON TO DEALING WITH THE ISSUES THAT BROUGHT YOU THERE.
FOR ADELE IT WAS ANXIETY THAT WAS EXPRESSED THROUGH EATING DISORDERS AND ALCOHOL.
HE'S TRYING TO EXPRESS SYMPATHY TO HER CONDITION BUT THIS IS NO WAY TO RUN A GOVERNMENT.
>> SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY HAVE TO SHOW UP FOR WORK.
BUT IN THE CASE OF THE COUNTY ATTORNEY, THESE PROSECUTORS DEAL WITH DEATH PENALTY CASES.
THEY MAKE DECISIONS.
THEY DEAL WITH HIGH PROFILE PROSECUTIONS.
THEY MAKE IMPORTANT LIFE-AND-DEATH DECISIONS THAT AFFECT ALL OF US IN MARICOPA COUNTY AND ACROSS ARIZONA IN A LOT OF WAYS BECAUSE MARICOPA COUNTY IS THE BIG FISH.
YOU WANT SOMEONE WHO HAS 100% ATTENTION AND WHO IS A PROFESSIONAL ON THIS JOB.
I CAN UNDERSTAND--AS A PERSON I CAN UNDERSTAND THE PERSON WANTS HER PRIVACY.
THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH THEIR PERSONAL PROBLEMS, AND THANKS GOODNESS THAT SHE UNDERSTANDS THAT SHE DOES.
BUT YOU'RE ALSO A POLITICIAN WITH LIFE-AND-DEATH DECISIONS IN YOUR HAND.
SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO STAND UP AND SAY I'M GOING TO BE GONE FOR A MONTH.
I'M GOING TO HAND OVER THE REINS TO MY DEPUTY.
>> AND THE SHE HAVE SAID DO IT IN 24 HOURS OR I'LL DO IT FOR YOU.
LAST THING BEFORE YOU GO.
WE HEARD SOME ARGUMENTS REGARDING THE MASK MANDATES OF THE COURT HEARING CHALLENGE ON SCHOOL MASK MANDATES THAT WAS PART OF THE RECONCILIATION BILLS.
QUICKLY GIVE US AN OVERVIEW ON WHAT THE ARGUMENTS ARE, AND HOW THIS COULD CHANGE THE WAY BUSINESS IS DONE AT THE CAPITOL.
>> THERE WERE SOME LAWSUIT FILED, AND THEY SAID, LOOK, THOSE THINGS DON'T BELONG IN BUDGET BILLS YET THERE THEY ALL WERE IN THESE BUDGET-RELATED BILLS.
THE ARGUMENT IS THAT IT'S UNCONSTITUTIONAL, THIS PRACTICE HAS GONE WAY TOO FAR AND WE NEED TO STOP IT.
THEY'RE ASKING THE COURT TO BLOCK IN THIS CASE FOUR SPECIFIC BILLS BEFORE THEY TAKE EFFECT SEPTEMBER 29TH.
>> AND AGAIN, THIS INCLUDES SINGLE SUBJECT ALONG WITH TITLES OF BILLS AND HOW THEY CAN BE MISLEADING?
>> CORRECT.
THE CONSTITUTION IS SAYS EVERYTHING THAT IS IN A BILL HAS TO BE EXPRESSED IN THE TITLE.
IF YOU HAVE A BUDGET BILL THAT HAS TO DO WITH K-1 EDUCATION, AND YOU SLIP INTO IT K-12 EDUCATION.
AND IT'S NOT EXPRESSED IN THE TITLE.
ALL IT SAYS IS BUDGETS RECONCILIATION RELATED TO SCHOOL SPENDING.
IT DOESN'T SAY MASKS.
BUDGET BILLS WHERE IT SAYS WE'RE GOING TO SPEND $100 MILLION ON THESE SKILLS AND THEN A BUDGET RECONCILIATION BILL THAT SAYS $10 MILLION GOES TO THIS SCHOOL AND $10 MILLION GOES TO THIS SCHOOL.
THEY'RE NOT DOING THAT, AND THEY'VE DONE IT TO SUCH AN EXTENT WE CAN'T ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN.
WE'LL ASK THE COURTS TO STEP IN, DECLARE IT UNCONSTITUTIONAL, AND THE LEGISLATURE WANTS TO DO THAT THEY CAN COME BACK AND START AGAIN.
>> WHY DOES THIS HAPPEN?
BECAUSE LAWMAKERS KNOW THEY CAN HOLD THEIR VOTE TO APPROVE THE BUDGET, AND THIS YEAR HAD A LOT OF BIG TAX CUTS IN IT.
THEY CAN HOLD THEIR VOTE, THE BUDGET HOSTAGE UNTIL THEY GET WHAT THEY WANT IN THAT BILL.
IN THIS CASE IT'S LET'S HAVE A LAW THAT SAYS SCHOOL DISTRICTS CAN IMPOSE MASK MANDATES AND LET'S HAVE A RULE ABOUT UNIVERSITIES AND VACCINE REQUIREMENTS.
>> IS IT HYPERBOLE TO SAY THAT THE COURTS COULD SAY THAT IT COULD CHANGE THE WAY THE JOB IS DONE AT THE CAPITOL?
>> NO, THEY WOULD LIKE--THEY WOULD STUFF ALL THESE POLITICAL THINGS, BUY OFF THE LEGISLATURE BY SAYING OKAY, WE'LL THROW YOUR LITTLE DEAL IN THE BUDGET.
YOUR LITTLE THAT IN THE BUDGET.
THE PROBLEM IS THAT THAT--THE CONSTITUTION DOESN'T ALLOW YOU TO DO THAT.
BECAUSE THESE THINGS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DISCUSSED IN PUBLIC.
YOU CAN'T LOG ROLL AND JUST THROW EVERYTHING INTO ONE BILL AND SAY HERE IT IS.
>> OKAY, BOB CHRISTIE OF THE ASSOCIATED PRESS, AND MARY JO PITZL OF THE ARIZONA REPUBLIC.
THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US.
>> UP NEXT, A FORMER CHANDLER CITY COUNCILMAN PLAY AS PART IN THE NEW PBS DOCUMENTARY ON MUHAMMAD ALI.
>> FILM-MAKER KEN BURNS HAS A NEW DOCUMENTARY OUT.
IT'S A 4-PART SERIES ON BOXING LEGEND MUHAMMAD ALI.
>> WE TELL THE STORY IN A DEPLETE WAY.
>> IT'S INSPIRING, IT'S EVERYTHING.
>> I AM THE GREATEST.
>> BOXING WAS HIS PLATFORM THAT HE USED TO BE ABLE TO CHANGE THE WORLD.
>> HE WAS A PIONEER.
HE WAS A REVOLUTIONARY.
A GUY KNOWN SIMPLY AS THE GREATEST.
>> MAYBE YOU'LL COME FOR THE BOXING.
MAYBE YOU'LL COME FOR THE RELIGION.
MAYBE YOU'LL COME FOR THE POLITICS AND THE CONFLICT.
BUT I THINK YOU LEAVE WITH AN ELEVATION OF AN AMAZING AMERICAN.
>> MUHAMMAD ALI SUCCESSFULLY DEFENDED HIS HEAVYWEIGHT BOXING TITLE 19-TIMES, INCLUDING A BOUT AGAINST ZORA FOLEY, AN EAST VALLEY BOXER WHO LATER BECAME A CHANDLER CITY COUNCILMAN.
THAT STORY IS FEATURED IN AN EXHIBIT AT THE CHANDLER MUSEUM.
THE MUSEUM'S ADMINISTRATOR IS JODY CRAGO.
>> JODY CRAGO.
WE'RE TALKING MUHAMMAD ALI AND WITH YOU ZORA FOLEY.
>> WELL, ZORA FOLEY WAS A CHANDLER BOXER, A LONG-TIME CHANDLER BOXER.
HE FOUGHT MUHAMMAD ALI IN THE '60s.
>> HE WAS BORN IN TEXAS AND MOVED TO CHANDLER AS A KID?
>> CORRECT.
HE MOVED TO CHANDLER AS A BOY WITH HIS SINGLE MOM AND HIS SISTER.
HE WORKED THE FARM FIELDS AND WENT TO ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
HE REALIZED HE COULD NOT ATTEND A BLACK SCHOOL BECAUSE THERE WAS NO BLACK SCHOOL IN CHANDLER AND HE WOULD HAVE TO RIDE A BUS TO PHOENIX TO ATTEND HIGH SCHOOL.
INSTEAD, HE WORKED FOR A LITTLE BIT, LIED ABOUT HIS AGE AND JOINED THE MILITARY.
WHILE IN THE MILITARY HIS COMMANDER WAS A BASE CHAMPION, WHO ASKED FOR A VOLUNTEER AND ZORA RAISED HIS HANDS AND THAT WAS THE BEGINNING OF BOXING HISTORY.
>> THE FIGHT I BELIEVE IN 1967, CORRECT?
THIS WAS FIRST TIME REALLY THAT MUHAMMAD ALI WAS TRYING TO GET OUT THERE AS MOHAMMED ALI AND NOT AS CASSIUS CLAY.
>> CORRECT.
WHEN IT CAME TO ZORA'S OPPORTUNITY.
HE SAID WHAT WILL YOU CALL THE BOXER THAT YOU'RE FACING.
HE SAID HIS NAME IS NO HAPPENEDDALLY, AND I TRUST THAT HIS NAME IS MUHAMMAD ALI.
>> YES, IT'S INTERESTING THAT MUHAMMAD ALI LIKED GORO FOLEY.
AND HARD TO GET MAD AT.
>> HE OFTEN GAVE DEGRADING NICKNAMES TO HIS OPPONENTS.
THEY ASKED HIM.
WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO CALL ZORA.
HE'S SUCH A NICE MAN.
I'M JUST GOING TO CALL HIM ZORA.
>> THE FIGHT WENT TO 1967, CORRECT, AND MUHAMMAD ALI WON BECAUSE HE WON ALL OF HIS FIGHTS BACK THEN.
>> YES, MARCH 22, 1967.
IT WAS A SIGNIFICANT FIGHT BECAUSE VIEWED AS MUHAMMAD ALI'S LAST FIGHT.
HIS NAME APPEARED ON A DRAFT BOARD FOR THE ARMY, AND HE WAS BEING ASKED POTENTIALLY IN THE VIETNAM WAR.
SO AS HE WAS CONSIDERING DOING THIS, HE WAS FACING ZORA.
THE ZORA FIGHT WENT SEVEN ROUNDS, AND UNFORTUNATELY FOR OUR HERO ZORA, HE FELL IN THE SEVENTH.
BUT AFTER THAT, ALL OF HIS TITLES WERE WITHDRAWN BECAUSE HE REFUSED TO SERVE IN THE ARMY.
>> AND CAME BACK IN A CELEBRATED COME BACK IN A SECOND STAGE OF HIS CAREER.
BUT AS FAR AS ZORA FOLEY WAS CONCERNED, HE WINDS UP A CHANDLER CITY COUNCILMAN, CORRECT?
>> CORRECT.
YES, YOU HAVE TO REALIZE THERE WAS ALMOST TEN YEARS BETWEEN ZORA FOLEY'S AGE AND MOHAMMED ALI.
ZORA SERVED IN THE KOREAN WAR AND WAS AWARDED THE PURPLE HEART IN THE KOREAN WAR.
HE RETIRED, CAME BACK TO CHANDLER AND GOT A JOB AND WORKED WITH A NONE PROFIT TO HELP OTHER NON-PROFITS.
HE RAN FOR CITY COUNCIL AND HE GAME THE FIRST AFRICAN-AMERICAN TO DESERVE AS CITY COUNCILMAN FOR CHANDLER.
>> THANK YOU, BUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT MUHAMMAD ALI, IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT NAME AS YOU DESCRIBED.
WHAT DO YOU WANT PENAL--WANT PEOPLE TO TAKE FROM THE EXHIBIT OF ZORA FOLEY.
>> IT TAKES THE EXPERIENCES OF THE 60s AND WHAT THE BLACK EXPERIENCE WAS.
AND TWO MEN WHO LIVED SIMILAR LIVES BUT FACED DIFFERENT CHALLENGES AND REMAINED FRIENDS UNTIL ZORA PASSED IN 1972.
IT'S AN EXPERIENCE OF THIS HOMETOWN HERO REACHING THE PINNACLE OF SPORTS ACHIEVEMENT, AND THEN CONTINUING TO SERVE THE CITY IN A UNIQUE TIME OF OUR HISTORY.
>> GOOD TO SPEAK WITH YOU.
THANK YOU FOR SHARING THE INFORMATION ON A HOMETOWN CHAMP OF ITS OWN.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THE KEN BURNS DOCUMENTARY "MUHAMMAD ALI" GETS UNDERWAY THIS SUNDAY EVENING AT 7-O'CLOCK, WITH AN ENCORE PRESENTATION AT 9:30.
>> AND THAT IS IT FOR NOW.
I'M TED SIMONS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.
YOU HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.
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