[♪ THEME MUSIC ♪] >>> GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO THE SPECIAL ELECTION 2018 EDITION OF "ARIZONA HORIZON."

I'M TED SIMONS.

TONIGHT'S SHOW IS DEBATE SPONSORED BY THE CITIZENS CLEAN ELECTIONS COMMISSION.

WE ARE SET TO HEAR FROM THE THREE CANDIDATES RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR.

A REMINDER AS WITH ALL OF "ARIZONA HORIZON'S" DEBATES.

THIS IS AN OPEN EXCHANGE OF IDEAS BETWEEN CANDIDATES RUNNING FOR THE STATE'S HIGHEST OFFICES.

INTERJECTIONS AND EVEN INTERRUPTIONS ARE ALLOW, PROVIDED THAT ALL SIDES GET A FAIR SHAKE.

JOINING US TONIGHT REPUBLICAN INCUMBENT GOVERNOR DOUG DUCEY, DEMOCRAT AND ASU EDUCATION PROFESSOR DAVID GARCIA, AND GREEN PARTY CANDIDATE ANGEL TORRES, WHO WORKS IN THE AIRLINE INDUSTRY.

EACH CANDIDATE WILL NOW GIVE A ONE-MINUTE OPENING STATEMENT WITH ORDER DETERMINED BY RANDOM SELECTION.

CLOSING STATEMENTS WILL BE GE ININ REVERSE ORDER.

WE BEGIN WITH DAVID GARCIA.

>> THANK YOU.

MY NAME IS DAVID GARCIA, AND I AM RUNNING TO BECOME GOVERNOR OF MY HOME STATE.

I'M A FOURTH GENERATION ARIZONANS, A PRODUCT OF ARIZONA PUBLIC SCHOOLS, THE FIRST IN MY FAMILY TO GRADUATE FROM COLLEGE, AN ARMY VETERAN, AND THE FATHER OF TWO AMAZING DAUGHTERS.

I JUMPED INTO THIS RACE, BECAUSE AT THE END OF FOUR YEARS, DOUG DUCEY'S ADMINISTRATION IS LEAVING BEHIND HALF FULFILLED PROMISES.

THIS IS ONE OF THE WORSE PLACES IN THE COUNTRY FOR TEACHERS.

WE HAVE YET TO HAVE MONEY TO PATROL OUR HIGHWAYS, AND HE IS BUILDING AN ECONOMY THAT IS BUILT FOR THOSE AT THE TOP.

WE NEED SOMEBODY WHO IS GOING TO BE A LEADER AND NOT A FOLLOWER.

SOMEONE WHO IS GOING TO LOOK OUT FOR EVERY DAY ARIZONANS, AND MAKE SURE THEY ARE NOT A RUBBER STAMP FOR TRUMP.

I AM FROM US, FOR US, AND I WILL LOOK OUT FOR EVERY DAY ARIZONANS, AND I WILL BE HONORED TO HAVE YOUR VOTE.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND NOW ANGEL TORRES'S OPENING STATEMENT.

>> HELLO.

I'M A NATIVE ARIZONAN.

I HAVE WORKED IN THE AIRLINE INDUSTRY FOR THE PAST 29 YEARS, AND A UNION MEMBER FOR TEAMSTER.

MY CAMPAIGN PRIORITIES ARE TO IMPROVE OUR ECONOMY, FULLY FUND OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS, AND BY ORGANIZING FOR MEDICARE FOR ALL SYSTEM, WHILE ALSO PROMOTING NATURAL PATHIC MEDICAL CARE AS A WAY TO LOWER COSTS AND IMPROVE HEALTH CARE OUTCOMES.

THANKS FOR WATCHING AND I'M ASKING FOR YOUR VOTE.

THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

AND FINALLY, WE TURN TO GOVERNOR DUCEY.

>> THANK YOU, TED.

MY NAME IS DOUG DUCEY, AND ON BEHALF OF MY WIFE AND MY THREE SONS, IT HAS BEEN MY HONOR TO BE YOUR GOVERNOR THESE PAST FOUR YEARS.

I HAVE WORKED HARD TO BRING BUSINESS PRINCIPALS TO ARIZONA STATE GOVERNMENT.

AND OUR STATE IS VERY DIFFERENT TODAY.

FOUR YEARS AGO OUR BUDGET WAS BROKEN.

OUR EDUCATION SYSTEM WAS MIRED IN YEARS LONG LAWSUITS, AND OUR ECONOMY WAS FLAT.

TODAY OUR BUDGET IS BALANCED.

THOSE LAWSUITS ARE BEHIND US, AND OUR ECONOMY IS BOOMING.

BOOMING SO MUCH THAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET A 20% PAY INCREASE FOR OUR TEACHERS IN K-12 EDUCATION WITH MORE TO FOLLOW.

OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH MOTIONCO HAS NEVER BEEN BETTER, AND WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO FOCUS ON SECURING THE BORDER AS WELL.

>> I'M RUNNING FOR REELECTION, BECAUSE I WANT TO SECURE ARIZONA'S FUTURE, AND THERE IS A LOT MORE LEFT TO DO.

I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION.

>> THANK YOU ALL.

DAVID GARCIA WHY SHOULD VOTERS MAKE A CHANGE NOW?

>> VOTERS SHOULD MAKE A CHANGE NOW, BECAUSE AFTER FOUR YEARS, OUR EDUCATION SYSTEM REMAINS IN CRISIS.

AT THE END OF DOUG DUCEY'S ADMINISTRATION, 75,000 TEACHERS WALKED OUT, BECAUSE WE ARE STILL ONE OF THE LAST IN THE COUNTRY IN EDUCATION.

THEY WERE DEMANDING MORE AND THEY DID NOT GET WHAT THEY WERE DEMANDING.

ADDITION DUCEY'S SIGNATURE BILL IS ON THE BALLOT BECAUSE ARIZONA VOTERS AREN'T LOOKING FOR THAT.

THEY DO NOT WANT OUTSIDE INTEREST IN ARIZONA, AND LAST, AND MOST IMPORTANT ONE, WITH RESPECT TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THE KEY AREA WE NEED TO DEVELOP IS EDUCATION, SPECIFICALLY.

SO WE NEED A CHANGE IN EDUCATION.

IT'S ARIZONA'S NUMBER 1 ISSUE.

IT IS MY STRENGTH AND DUCEY'S WEAKNESS.

AND IT IS GOING TO BE THE DIFFERENCE.

>> HOW DO YOU RESPOND?

>> I'LL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS OF PUBLIC EDUCATION, NOT THE PAST 20 YEARS AGO, AND IF I WOULD HAVE SAID WE'RE GOING TO SETTLE THESE LAWSUITS THAT GETS $3.4 BILLION EXTRA IN EDUCATION, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A 20% PAY INCREASE FOR OUR TEACHERS BY SCHOOL YEAR 2020, I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL SAY THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD START, AND THAT'S WHAT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH.

I AGREE THERE IS MORE LEFT TO DO, BUT LIKE I SAID, I WAS IN A STRAIGHT JACKET FOUR YEARS AGO.

WE HAD A $1 BILLION DEFICIT.

WE HAVE BEEN ADDING RESOURCES INTO K-12 EDUCATION, AND OUR EDUCATION SYSTEM IS IMPROVING.

IN MATH AND READING, WE'RE THE FASTEST IMPROVING EDUCATION SYSTEM IN THE COUNTRY.

THAT'S A TEST TO OUR HARD-WORKING TEACHERS.

THEY EARNED AND DESERVED THIS RAISE.

>> ANGEL, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF ALL OF THIS?

>> I'M RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR TO BRING THE PERSPECTIVE OF WORKING PEOPLE TO POLITICS.

I'M A UNION MEMBER, AND THE WAY WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO IMPROVE OUR STANDARD OF LIVING IS BECAUSE OF OUR UNION CONTRACTS.

SO I WANT TO BE ABLE TO HELP CREATE WORKER-OWNED BUSINESSES, GET MORE PEOPLE ORGANIZED INTO THE UNION OF THEIR CHOICE, AND BRING THAT PERSPECTIVE TO POLITICS.

>> LET'S GET BACK TO EDUCATION HERE.

>> YOU HAD 75,000 TEACHERS WALK OUT AND DEMAND MORE.

THE 20% RAISE IS 8% MAX TODAY WITH MORE TO COME TOMORROW.

THE TEACHER'S ACADEMY IS A HALF MEASURE.

THEY WILL NOT ADDRESS THE SHORTAGE WE HAVE IN THIS STATE.

AND CANDIDATE DUCEY MENTIONED THAT HE IS IN FAVOR OF LOWERING INCOME TAXES DOWN TO 30%.

HOW DO YOU MAKE THIS HAPPEN?

SO WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS OUR TEACHERS ARE DEMANDING MORE.

OUR TEACHERS ARE WALKING OUT, AND THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT HAS BEEN DONE SO FAR IS NOT ENOUGH.

>> PLEASE -- >> LET HIM RESPOND.

>> YES, FIRST OF ALL, OUR TEACHERS WILL HAVE A 20% PAY INCREASE.

IN WASHINGTON ELEMENTARY 15 HAS GONE OUT.

IN YUMA 12% HAS GONE OUT.

SO THESE DOLLARS ARE FLOWING TO OUR TEACHERS AND THEY HAVE APPROPRIATED THEM.

BUT DAVID IS SOMEONE WHO LIKES TO TALK ABOUT HOW MUCH HE CARES ABOUT PUBLIC EDUCATION.

HE WAS NOWHERE TO BE FOUND ON PROPOSITION 123.

HE ACTUALLY ENCOURAGED PEOPLE TO VOTE AGAINST THE PAY INCREASE.

HIS PLAN WAS TO DOUBLE INCOME TAXES IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA.

IT WOULD HAVE DRIVEN OUR ECONOMY OFF OF A CLIFF.

HIS IDEAS ARE RISKY AND MANY CASES RADICAL.

>> IS WHAT HE IS SAYING ACCURATE?

>> THAT WAS NOT -- THAT WAS A PLAN THAT I SUPPORTED IN ON BEHALF OF OUR TEACHERS.

OUR TEACHERS BROUGHT THAT PLAN FORWARD.

AND THE SUPREME COURT TOOK THAT VOTE AWAY FROM ARIZONA -- >> THAT'S NOT TRUE.

DAVID GARCIA TRIED TO RIG AN ELECTION, AND THE SUPREME COURT CAUGHT HIM.

YOU ARE GOING TO SEE DAVID GARCIA BE VERY DECEIVING ON A NUMBER OF ISSUES TONIGHT.

LIKE I SAID, HE TALKS ABOUT PUBLIC EDUCATION, BUT HE IS MUCH MORE OF A POLITICIAN.

THE SUPREME COURT CAUGHT HIM TRYING TO RIG AN ELECTION AND MISLEAD VOTERS.

AND THEY KICKED THIS OFF OF THE BALLOT.

>> THE SUPREME COURT CAUGHT ME RIGGING AN ELECTION?

THERE IS NO EVIDENCE AT ALL.

IT IS OUR TEACHERS THAT ARE DEMANDING MORE -- >> AND WE'RE DELIVERING MORE.

>> NO, YOU ARE NOT.

HOW DO YOU CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE 20 BY 20 PLAN AND BRING INCOME TAXES DOWN TO ZERO -- >> LIKE I SAID, RIGHT NOW OUR ECONOMY IS BOO -- BOOMING.

WE HAVE 300 COMPANIES THAT HAVE RELOCATED HERE.

WE HAVE A RECORD BALANCE IN OUR GENERAL FUND, AND WE HAVE APPROPRIATED THESE DOLLARS TO OUR TEACHERS.

SO I WANT TO CONTINUE TO GROW OUR ECONOMY, AND THEN I HAVE A PLAN THAT IS ACHIEVABLE IN K-12 EDUCATION THAT WILL REWARD OUR TEACHERS.

OUR PLAN WAS TO DOUBLE INCOME TAXES IN THE STATE, AND YOU EVEN SAID IF THAT WERE TO PASS, THAT IS NOT ENOUGH.

THERE IS STILL MORE THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

>> I AM STANDING WITH OUR TEACHERS, WHO HAVE SOME VERY SPECIFIC GOALS THAT THEY WANT TO SEE ACCOMPLISHED TO HELP THEIR STUDENTS AND IMPROVE THEIR SCHOOLS.

AND ONE IS TO RETURN THE $1.1 BILLION BACK INTO OUR BUDGET.

IN ADDITION, ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO THINK ABOUT HERE IS AS WE GO FORWARD, WE HAVE A VERY HIGH TEACHER SHORTAGE THAT THE TEACHER ACADEMY IS NOT GOING TO COME CLOSE TO ADDRESSING.

IN EDUCATION, WE HAVE TO DO MORE, AND FROM MY PERSPECTIVE THE GOVERNOR HAS A START.

AND THERE IS A PROMISE FOR THE FUTURE.

>> WE HAVE TO HEAR FROM ANGEL FIRST.

>> THE GOVERNOR SAID WE HAVE A BOOMING ECONOMY, BUT THERE WAS AN ARTICLE THAT SAYS THAT ONE IN SEVEN ARIZONANS IS LIVING IN POVERTY.

SO MY PLAN IS TO STRENGTHEN THE ECONOMY, GET MORE WORKERS ORGANIZED INTO THE UNION OF THEIR CHOICE, AND USE THE PURCHASING POWER OF OUR ANCHORING INSTITUTIONS, AND HELP STRENGTHEN THE ECONOMY.

THE ECONOMY IS BOOMING FOR THE TOP 1% FOR THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE MONEY TO INVEST IN WALL STREET, BUT FOR WORKERS OUR ECONOMY IS NOT BOOMING.

>> OUR ECONOMY IS BOOMING.

WE HAVE GOT -- WE HAVE GOT MORE JOBS AVAILABLE IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA THAN WE HAVE PEOPLE TO FILL THEM.

AND PAYCHECKS ARE GROWING AS WELL.

ARIZONA IS NUMBER 3 IN TERMS OF PAYCHECK INCREASES ACROSS THE COUNTRY, BUT LET ME TALK ABOUT THE TEACHER'S ACADEMY.

DAVID WILL ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE MY AGE OR OLDER, AND THEY CAME OUT OF UNIVERSITY IN THE '80S, AND HAVE BEEN IN THE CLASSROOM FOR 30 YEARS, AND THEY ARE RETIRING.

BUT THERE COULD BE ANY ONE OF EIGHT GOVERNORS SITTING HERE THAT ARE ALSO FACING A TEACHER SHORTAGE.

THE PAY INCREASE IS GOING TO TAKE OUR TEACHER'S PAY FROM 40TH TO 16TH IN THE NATION.

AND THE TEACHER'S ACADEMY IS GOING TO SAY TO YOUNG PEOPLE THAT IF THEY CHOOSE PUBLIC EDUCATION, THEY WILL GRADUATE DEBT FREE WITH A JOB WAITING.

>> HOW MANY TEACHERS WILL BE AFFECTED?

>> RIGHT NOW, THE TEACHER'S COLLEGE AT ASU, ENROLLMENT IS UP 9%.

>> BUT WHAT KIND OF NUMBERS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE COMPARED TO THE SHORTAGE.

>> WELL, I TALKED IN MY STATE OF THE STATE OF SANDRA DAY O'CONNOR, WHO WHEN SHE RETIRED WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN DEEMED EDGEABLE TO TEACH GOVERNMENT IN A PUBLIC HIGH SCHOOL.

I WANT TO GIVE PRINCIPALS AND SUPERINTENDENTS THE ABILITY TO MAKE THE DECISION TO HIRE PEOPLE THAT CAN HELP OUR YOUNG PEOPLE INSIDE OF THE CLASSROOMS.

AND LET'S MEASURE OURSELVES BY THE RESULTS OF OUR KIDS IN MATH, READING AND SCIENCE, AND ARIZONA IS LEADING THE COUNTRY IN IMPROVEMENT.

>> TED, WE HAD A CRISIS WHEN DOUG DUCEY WALKED INTO OFFICE, AND WE HAVE A CRISIS WHEN HE IS LEAVING.

HE DOESN'T HAVE NUMBERS FOR THE TEACHER ACADEMY BECAUSE IT IS NOT ENOUGH.

WHEN YOU CAME INTO OFFICE, YOU SAID THAT EDUCATION WAS THE MOST CRITICAL ISSUE, AND YET HERE WE ARE WITH ONE INITIATIVE, AT LEAST ON THE BALLOT.

TEACHERS WALKING OUT, AND A PROMISE FOR -- FOR GAINS IN THE FUTURE AND SOMETHING TO HAPPEN -- >> TED -- >> WILL YOU LET ME FINISH.

AND WITH RESPECT TO OTHER GOVERNORS, NEARLY EVERY STATE HAS ALWAYS HAD AN INCREASE IN JOBS.

ARIZONA JOB GROWTH RATE IS ACTUALLY BEHIND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF OUR OTHER WESTERN NEIGHBORS.

WE ARE ROUTINELY BEHIND, AND THE NUMBER 1 REASON WHY, LACK OF INVESTMENT IN EDUCATION.

>> COMPARED TO PEER STATES -- >> WE ARE LEADING IN THE WESTERN UNITED STATES, AND I SAID DAVID THAT WOULD DECEIVE YOU ON PUBLIC EDUCATION.

HIS IDEAS ON DOUBLING FUNDING IS AS RADICAL AS ANY.

GO TO FACTCHECKGARCIA.COM IF YOU WANT TO SEE DAVID IN HIS OWN WORDS OF HIS RADICAL PLANS TO MOVE THE STATE FORWARD.

TED, MARICOPA COUNTY IS THE FASTEST-GROWING COUNTY IN THE COUNTRY.

PEOPLE VOTE WITH THEIR FEET.

ARIZONA IS WINNING, AND I AGREE MORE NEEDS TO BE DONE FOR K-12 EDUCATION, BUT DAVID HASN'T ANSWERED WHY HE ASKED PEOPLE TO VOTE AGAINST THE 20% TEACHER PAY INCREASE.

WHY HE WASN'T THERE FOR POP SITUATION 301.

WHERE HE WORKED AGAINST IT BEING EXTENDED.

YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC EDUCATION.

YOU ARE NOWHERE TO BE FOUND.

>> WITH RESPECT TO JOB GROWTH, THIS WILL BE THE FIRST FACT CHECK.

WE ARE BEHIND ROUTINELY THE REST OF OUR NEIGHBORS IN JOB GROWTH WITH THE EXCEPTION OF NEW MEXICO.

AND THE NUMBER 1 REASON WHY IS THE LACK OF INVESTMENT IN EDUCATION, AND HAVING A HIGHLY TRAINED WORKFORCE.

>> EXPLAIN YOUR POSITION ON 301 AND 123.

>> I WAS IN FAVOR OF 123, AND I FAVORED 123, BECAUSE DOUG DUCEY SAID THAT STEP 4 WOULD BE POSITIVE FOR ARIZONA.

AND THAT WAS UNIVERSAL VOUCHERS.

AND LIKE A LOT OF PARENTS I FELT BETRAYED IN TRYING TO MOVE OUR STATE FORWARD AND WHAT HAPPENED NEXT WAS VOUCHERS.

>> FIRST DAVID ASKED LEGISLATURES TO VOTE AGAINST THE 20% PAY INCREASE.

AND THERE ARE NO VOUCHTURES IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA.

WHAT WE HAVE OUR EDUCATIONAL SAVINGS ACCOUNTS, AND THESE ARE FOR PARENTS IN SPECIAL SITUATIONS LIKE KATHY WHO HAS A SON WHO OFFERS FROM AUTISM.

THE ONLY WAY KATHY HAS BEEN ABLE TO FIND THE EDUCATIONAL THERAPY FOR HER SON IS THESE EDUCATIONAL SAVINGS ACCOUNTS.

AND THERE IS A STORY ABOUT A SPECIAL BLIND YOUNG MAN.

HE SCORED TWO TOUCHDOWNS IN HIS HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL GAME, AND HE WAS ABLE TO BUY BRAILLE BOOKS BECAUSE OF THE SAVINGS PROGRAM.

>> LET'S TALK ABOUT THE SYSTEM, WHICH WAS DESIGNED FOR SPECIAL NEEDS STUDENTS.

>> I SUPPORT THE MOVE TO EXPAND IT -- >> HOW MUCH.

>> BY 5,000 KIDS A YEAR FOR THE NEXT SIX YEARS.

WE HAVE 1 MILLION 100,000 CHILDREN IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA.

I WANT THEM ALL TO HAVE ACCESS TO AN AFFORDABLE, ACCESSIBLE AND EXCELLENT EDUCATION.

KATHY WHO HAS A SON WITH A SPECIAL SITUATION, AND THE YOUNG MAN WHO IS BLIND AND THIS HAS HELPED HIM BUY BRAILLE BOOKS, BUT THERE ARE SOME KIDS WHO DON'T FALL INTO THESE POPULATIONS.

>> WHAT ABOUT A 30,000 STUDENT CAP?

>> OF THE 1.1 MILLION CHILDREN IN ARIZONA, WHO I CARE FOR TOO, TWO OF THEM ARE MY DAUGHTERS.

MY DAUGHTERS ARE IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS, BECAUSE I'M IN IT FOR ALL OF US.

IN ADDITION, THE -- THE SCHOLARSHIPS WORK JUST LIKE VOUCHERS.

THEY TAKE MONEY OUT OF PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND PUT THEM INTO PRIVATE SCHOOLS, AND WE'RE 50TH IN THE COUNTRY IN FUNDING, AND WE NEED TO FUND PUBLIC SCHOOLS FIRST AND FOREMOST, AND IF YOUR CONCERN IS STUDENTS WITH DISABILITIES, WHY NOT KEEP IT THERE?

BUT INSTEAD IT'S A VOUCHER PROGRAM FOR PRIVATIZED EDUCATION.

AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS WE'LL HAVE A SOCIETY OF HAVES AND HAVE NOTS, AND WITH TWO DAUGHTERS IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS, I'M NOT GOING TO LET THAT HAPPEN.

>> ANGEL, WE STILL HAVEN'T HEARD YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT EDUCATION.

>> WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IS PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE IN TAXES, AND THAT'S NOT HAPPENING.

AND AS FAR AS THE EXPANSION OF THE VOUCHER SYSTEM, THE ESA'S, WE HAVE GOT -- IF WE'RE GOING TO FULLY FUND K THROUGH 12, IMPROVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE, IMPROVE THE TECHNOLOGY, REPLACE TEXTBOOKS THAT ARE 20 YEARS OLD.

WE CAN'T AFFORD TO HAVE A PARALLEL SYSTEM LIKE WE HAVE WITH THE CHARTER SCHOOLS, WHERE THERE ARE SOME BAD ACTORS THERE WHO HAVE BEEN GETTING RICH OFF OF THE TAXPAYER DOLLAR.

SO WE NEED TO BE FRUGAL WITH EVERY DOLLAR WE'RE SPENDING, AND WE CAN'T AFFORD TO BE SUBSIDIZING PRIVATE SCHOOL EDUCATION.

I'M ALL FOR CHILDREN WITH SPECIAL NEEDS, BUT WE CAN'T AFFORD TO EXPAND IT TO ALL ARIZONA STUDENTS.

>> ANGEL JUST MENTIONED CHARTER SCHOOLS, AND WE HAVE BEEN HEARING ABOUT THE PROBLEMS, AND THEY ARE STUNNING.

YOU HAVE NOW COME OUT IN SUPPORT OF REFORM -- WHY NOW?

>> I WANT TO SEE REFORM IN OUR CHARTER SCHOOLS.

DAVID WAS PART OF THE ORGANIZATION IN THE '90S TO PUT THE FRAMEWORK TOGETHER FOR CHARTER SCHOOLS.

HE STAT ON A CHARTER SCHOOL BOARD AND MISSED MORE THAN HALF OF THE MEETINGS.

I THINK CHOICE IS A GOOD THING, BUT WHERE WE HAVE IMPROVEMENT, I WANT TO FIX THAT.

CHARTERS ARE STILL VERY MUCH IN THEIR INFANCY, AND I THINK A LOT OF IMPROVEMENT CAN HAPPEN THERE.

AND TED, THE QUESTION THAT IS NOT BEING ANSWERED -- AND I HAVE TO SHOW YOU MY RECORD ON K-12 EDUCATION, THE DOLLARS I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PUT IN OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS, BUT DAVID ISN'T TALKING ABOUT HIS PLAN.

HOW IS HE GOING TO FUND HIS PLANS?

HE WANTED TO DOUBLE INCOME TAXES FOR THE PEOPLE IN ARIZONA.

HE HAS NO FUNDING PLAN.

>> PLEASE.

>> LET'S START WITH CHARTER SCHOOLS AND ACCOUNTABILITY.

THERE IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF DOUG DUCEY NOT BEING A LEADER.

I HAVE MADE IT CLEAR, WE NEEDED MORE ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY ON BEHALF OF CHARTER SCHOOLS, AND ONLY NOW, ONCE AGAIN, A PROBLEM WHEN DOUG DUCEY WALKED IN THE DOOR IT IS STILL A PROBLEM TODAY.

THIS IS A COMMON THEME -- >> NO EDUCATION PLAN, TED.

>> WITH RESPECT TO AN EDUCATION PLAN, I AM GOING TO CHALLENGE THE LEGISLATURE AND INVITE THOSE 75,000 TEACHERS TO PUT ANOTHER INITIATIVE ON THE BALLOT.

BECAUSE ARIZONANS WANT A VOICE.

THEY WANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO INVEST IN THEIR PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

>> SO THE INITIATIVE WAS TO DOUBLE INCOME TAX IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA.

THE JOINT LEGISLATIVE BUDGET COMMITTEE SAID IT WOULD RAISE INCOME TAX ON EVERYONE.

AND YOU SAID EVEN AFTER THAT WAS DONE THAT WOULDN'T BE ENOUGH.

SO THEN WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO RAISE TAXES?

>> TED, I DON'T KNOW WHY DOUG DUCEY IS TALKING ABOUT A PLAN THAT HAS BEEN TAKE EVER OFF THE BALLOT -- >> BUT THAT WAS YOUR PLAN.

>> SO YOU DON'T HAVE A PLAN.

>> THAT WAS PAST TENSE.

THAT WAS THEN.

AND MY PLAN IS TO START OFF AND GO TO THE LEGISLATURE AND TO PUSH TO HAVE AN INITIATIVE -- OR PUT THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND OTHERS TO PUT AN INITIATIVE ON THE BALLOT -- >> HOPE IS NOT A PLAN.

>> AND GET THE 75,000 TEACHERS TO JOIN ME TO DO THAT, AND IF THAT WON'T HAPPEN TO GO TO A CITIZEN INITIATIVE.

>> DEMOCRATS 11 TIMES TRIED TO CHANGE CHARTERS, TRIED TO PUSH FOR MORE REFORM AND MORE REGULATION.

REPUBLICANS WEREN'T -- THEY KILLED THEM ON, AND YOU WERE NOWHERE TO BE FOUND.

NOW YOU WANT REFORM.

WHY NOW?

>> FIRST, I THINK SCHOOL OF CHOICE IS A GOOD THING, AND I THINK PUBLIC CHARTERS HAVE BEEN A BENEFIT TO THE STATE OF ARIZONA.

WE HAVE 200,000 KIDS IN CHARTER SCHOOLS.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE REFORM, BECAUSE WE'RE SEEING SOME OF THESE THINGS WHERE THERE'S ROOM FOR PROCUREMENT OR FINANCIAL REPORTING.

AND THIS IS WHAT YOU DO, WHEN YOU SEE AN ISSUE, YOU ADDRESS IT.

>> HERE IS THE THING, HE SEES AN ISSUE.

HE ADDRESSES IT.

HE CHANGES.

DO YOU WANT A GOVERNOR WHO WON'T CHANGE?

>> I WANT A GOVERNOR WHO IS GOING TO LEAD AND NOT FOLLOW.

THIS SAME SITUATION HAPPENED WITH RED FOR ED.

YOU MENTIONED IT WAS A POLITICAL CIRCUIT, AND THE NEXT DAY WENT FORWARD WITH 20 FOR 20.

>> LET'S GET THE FACTS STRAIGHT.

>> WILL YOU PLEASE STOP INTERRUPTING ME.

>> FINISH YOUR THOUGHT.

>> BECAUSE YOU FELT POLITICAL PRESSURE.

I AM A TEACHER.

I TEACH AT NIGHT.

AND ON TWO SEMESTERS MY CLASS IS ON THE EXACT SAME NIGHT AS THE CHARTER SCHOOL BOARD.

I FULFILLED MY RESPONSIBILITY, BUT I WAS IN CLASS.

>> READ FOR ED, YOU CALLED IT POLITICAL THEATER.

>> I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE UNION, THE LAWYERS AND THE ACTIVISTS.

I AM ON THE SIDE OF THE TEACHERS, AND WHEN WE HAVE THE DOLLARS AVAILABLE WHERE I COULD PRESENT A PLAN THAT WE WOULD DELIVER ON, THAT COULD INCREASE TAXES BY 20%, I WAS THE FIRST ONE OUT THERE.

IT WAS THE EQUIVALENT ON APRIL 12TH OF ROLLING OUT AN ENTIRELY NEW BUDGET.

I'M PROUD THAT OUR TEACHERS ARE GOING TO HAVE A 20% INCREASE.

I'M REALLY NECESSARILY CARING ABOUT WHO GETS THE CREDIT, DAVID, AND YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ASKING PEOPLE TO VOTE AGAINST IT FOR POLICY.

>> DOES DAVID HAVE A POINT, THOUGH, THAT YOU RESPONDED AS OPPOSED TO LEAD ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE?

>> I WOULD SAY WE LEAD.

PROPOSITION 123 WAS LEADING, POP SITUATION 301 WAS LEADING.

BUT WE HAD TO ANSWER AN ISSUE FOR THE TEACHERS.

THEY SAID IF YOU COULD SHOW A THREE TO FIVE YEAR PLAN WE COULD MOVE FORWARD.

WE PUT TOGETHER A THREE-YEAR PLAN, WHICH IS A 20% PAY INCREASE.

AND I SIGNED IT INTO LAW, YOU WORKED AGAINST IT.

>> WAS THE RED FOR ED MOVEMENT MORE POLITICAL THAN IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN.

>> 123 WAS MISLEADING.

YOU SAID THAT WAS GOING TO BE POSITIVE FOR PUBLIC SCHOOLS, AND IT HASN'T BEEN.

STEP 4 WAS ESSENTIALLY VOUCHERS.

WITH RESPECT TO TEACHERS, THERE ARE 75,000 OF THEM, AND THEY ARE IS ASKING YOU TO SIGN A RED OF ED PLAN.

>> I SIGN A BUDGET THAT WILL DELIVER A 20% INCREASE.

>> HE HASN'T SIGNED IT.

>> AND YOU HAVEN'T ANSWERED MY QUESTION.

WAS THIS MOVEMENT MORE POLITICAL THAN IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN?

>> I THOUGHT THE TEACHERS DID AN AMAZING JOB.

MR.

DUCEY WILL YOU LET ME FINISH PLEASE.

I'M RESPECTFUL AND LET YOU ANSWER, AND I'M ASKING YOU TO DO THE SAME.

>> PLEASE.

>> RIGHT NOW WE ARE THE SECOND-WORST STATE IN THE COUNTRY -- >> THAT IS NOT TRUE.

>> IT'S A REPORT THAT CAME OUT TODAY THAT SAYS WE ARE THE SECOND-WORST STATE TO BE A TEACHER -- >> THEY HAVEN'T FACTORED IN -- >> ONCE AGAIN WILL YOU LET ME -- >> LET HIM RESPOND, PLEASE.

>> THIS IS AN EXCHANGE, NOT A MONOLOGUE, DAVID.

>> ALL THREE OF US ARE HERE, AND THAT SURVEY HAS NOT FACTORED IN THE 20% PAY INCREASE THAT IS TAKEN BY YOUR NUMBERS, ARIZONA TEACHERS FROM 40TH TO 16.

>> THAT SURVEY TAKES INTO ACCOUNT MANY THINGS, AND ONE OF THEM IS THE PER PUPIL TEACHER RATIO.

ARIZONA TEACHERS ARE FACING SOME OF THE WORST CIRCUMSTANCES IN THE COUNTRY, AND THEY STOOD UP AND USED THEIR COLLECTIVE VOICE TO SAY AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

>> ALL RIGHT.

ANGEL.

DID YOU STAND WITH RED FOR ED?

DID YOU STAND FOR THOSE TEACHERS AND IF SO.

>> OF COURSE.

I'M A UNION MEMBER, AND SO I SIGNED THE PLEDGE.

OF COURSE I WOULD BE THERE WITH THEM.

I THINK THE PROBLEM WHEN IT COMES TO GOVERNOR DUCEY, YOUR PLAN, IS THAT THIS 20 FOR 20 ISN'T REALLY A 20% INCREASE.

THE OTHER THING THAT IS HAPPENING IS THAT THIS -- THAT GOVERNOR DUCEY AND THE STATE LEGISLATURE REALLY PASSED THE BOOK ON TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS.

WE'RE SEEING A -- WE JUST HAD A PROPERTY BUDGET OVERRIDE IN LaVINE SCHOOL DISTRICT TWO YEARS AGO.

WE'RE GOING TO SEE ANOTHER BUDGET OVERRIDE THIS YEAR.

SO THE STATE LEGISLATURE AND GOVERNOR DUCEY HAVEN'T REALLY PUT INTO FUNDS INTO IT.

IT IS BEING PASSED ON TO PROPERTY OWNERS.

>> THERE IS A RECORD AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT IS GOING INTO K-12 EDUCATION.

I BELIEVE THERE IS MORE NEEDED.

BUT LIKE I SAID, NO EXCUSES, I CAME INTO OFFICE WITH A $1 BILLION BUDGET DEFICIT.

THE FACT THAT WE WERE BEEN ABLE TO PUT PROPOSITION 123, AND 301 AND THE TEACHER ACADEMY IS PROGRESS.

WE ALSO HAVE PUBLIC SAFETY IN THE STATE.

WE HAVE CHILD SAFETY.

WE HAVE BORDER SECURITY.

THERE'S ALL TYPES OF THINGS THAT YOU NEED TO DO AS GOVERNOR.

I HAVE BEEN ON THE SIDE OF THE TEACHERS.

I'M GOING TO WORK WITH THE TEACHERS.

AND OUR STATE IS GROWING.

IT'S A FAST-GROWING ECONOMY, AND IT PUTS US IN A POSITION TO HAVE THESE REFORMS WHERE WE COULD GET DOLLARS IN THE CLASSROOMS.

>> PLEASE.

>> YOU MENTIONED MARICOPA COUNTY IS THE FASTEST-GROWING COUNTY IN THE STATE, AND YET, PRIOR TO TEACHERS PUSHING, ALL YOU WERE GOING TO AFFORD THEM WAS A 2% RAISE OVER FOUR YEARS.

ALL WE CAN AFFORD OUR HARD-WORKING TEACHERS IS A 2% RAISE, WHILE YOUR STAFF WAS GETTING A 20% RAISE.

>> FIRST OF ALL, THERE WAS A 9% INCREASE FROM 2015 -- >> THAT WAS BEFORE.

>> THAT WAS BEFORE THE PROTESTS.

THAT WAS A 9% RAISE IN DOLLARS AVAILABLE FOR TEACHER COMPENSATION.

AND DAVID, THE BUDGET IN THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE WAS $7 MILLION WHEN I CAME INTO THE OFFICE, IT'S $7 MILLION TODAY.

NOT ONE ADDITIONAL DOLLAR HAS BEEN SPENT IN THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE, AND THIS IS WHY I'M GOING TO ASK THE VIEWERS TO GO TO FACTCHECKGARCIA.COM.

BECAUSE YOU ARE VERY GOOD AT THIS DECEPTION.

>> GO BACK TO TEACHERS FOR JUST A SECOND.

>> SIR, DO YOU WANT TO CORRECT YOURSELF ON THE BUDGET?

>> MR.

DUCEY IN THIS CASE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STANDING WITH TEACHERS -- >> I AM STANDING WITH THEM AS WELL.

>> -- AND TO STAND WITH THEM MEANS YOU SIGN THE RED FOR ED PLEDGE.

>> I MEET WITH TEACHERS ALL THE TIME.

AND I WILL CONTINUE TO MEET WITH TEACHERS ALL THE TIME.

>> LET'S TALK ABOUT IMMIGRATION AND CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT.

DO YOU WANT TO ABOLISH ICE?

>> NEVER SAID THAT, AND THE ANSWER IS NO.

>> DO YOU WANT TO REPLACE ICE OR CHANGE ICE?

>> WE NEED AN IMMIGRATION SYSTEM THAT WORKS.

AND THAT INCLUDES SECURITY, LAWFUL ENTRY FOR THOSE READY TO ENTER INTO THE UNITED STATES, AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT IMMIGRATION, BECAUSE NUMBER 1, I AM AGAINST TRUMP'S LAW.

AND NUMBER 2, TO GIVE THIS IDEA THAT IN ANYWAY I WOULD -- I WOULD -- HAVE UNSAFE CONDITIONS FOR ARIZONA IS AGAINST WHO I AM.

I JOINED THE MILITARY WHEN I WAS 17.

I TOOK AN OATH TO DEFEND THE UNITED STATES AND OUR CONSTITUTION.

I TAKE IT SERIOUSLY TODAY, AND I WILL TAKE THAT OATH WITH ME TO THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE.

BUT THE REASON PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS ISSUE RIGHT NOW IS LARGELY BECAUSE OF THE ATTACK ADS AGAINST ME.

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW YOUR OPINION ON THOSE ADS.

>> FIRST, CAN I SAY, I HONOR YOUR SERVICE.

I THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

I'M PROUD OF MY BACKGROUND AS A BUSINESS PERSON.

AND DAVID AND HIS CAMPAIGN WOULD LIKE TO ABOLISH ICE.

THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE ANY WALL ON OUR SOUTHERN BORDER.

THEY WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE THE NATIONAL GUARD FROM THE BORDER, AND DEFUND THE BORDER STRIKE FORCE.

THIS IS A RADICAL DEPARTURE FROM WHAT PUBLIC SAFETY HAS BEEN IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA.

THESE ARE DAVID'S STATED POSITIONS.

>> THEY ARE NOT.

MR.

DUCEY, I WILL STATE THEM AGAIN FOR YOU -- >> DAVID CAN I FINISH.

[ OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ] >> HE KNOWS -- HE IS A COLLEGE PROFESSOR.

HE KNOWS THE POWER OF WORDS THIS IS WHY IF YOU GO TO FACTCHECKGARCIA.COM, YOU WILL SEE IN HIS OWN WORDS HIS PLAN ON THE BORDER.

>> LET'S TALK ABOUT BORDER PATROL, YOU CALLED THIS A POLITICAL PLOY.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

>> THAT MEANS WHEN POLITICIANS WHO HAVE NEVER WORN A UNIFORM PRANCE AROUND FOR THEIR POLITICAL GAIN, THAT IS A PLOY.

IT'S VERY SIMPLE, YOU DO YOUR JOB AS A UNIT, SO OTHERS CAN DO THEIRS.

THE FIRST THING THAT OUR BORDER SHERIFFS ARE ASKING IS FOR OUR HIGHWAYS TO BE PATROLLED 24/7.

THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED.

AND IT WON'T HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE, BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN WE HAVE ANOTHER HALF MEASURE AND BROKEN PROMISE.

>> YOUR JOB AS GOVERNOR IS PUBLIC SAFETY FOR THE STATE OF ARIZONA.

DAVID GARCIA HAS HIRED STAFFERS WHO TWEET OUT THAT AMERICA IS AN S-HOLE COUNTRY, THAT THEY CAN F THE POLICE.

THE TAKES ENDORSEMENTS FROM RADICAL ORGANIZATIONS THAT SAY F BORDER PATROL.

THOSE ARE THE PLANS THAT YOU HAVE GOING FORWARD FOR OUR BORDER, AND I'M GETTING TIRED OF YOUR ATTACKED ON LAW ENFORCEMENT.

THOSE PEOPLE ARE BRAVE MEN AND WOMAN THAT PUT THEMSELVES IN HARM'S WAY TO INTERJECT FENTANYL.

>> I WANT US TO DO OUR DUTY.

AND OUR DUTY IS TO PATROL THE HIGHWAYS 24/7.

THAT IS NOT HAPPENING.

THE BORDER SHERIFFS ARE ASKING.

THAT IS OUR ROLE.

AND WITH RESPECT TO THE BORDER STRIKE FORCE, IT IS NOT ABOUT THE MEN AND WOMAN WHO ARE DOING GREAT WORK.

IT IS ABOUT YOU STANDING IN FRONT OF THEM, AND SOMEBODY WHO HAS NEVER WORN A UNIFORM AND TAKING CREDIT FOR THEIR WORK.

>> WHY IS THERE NOT 24/7?

>> DPS IS DOING A GREAT JOB, WORKING WITH OUR BORDER SHERIFFS, OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT AND BORDER AGENTS TO PATROL OUR HIGHWAYS.

THEY ARE DOING A TERRIFIC JOB -- >> ARE THEY PATROLLING 24/7.

>> WE HAVE LAW ENFORCEMENT 24/7 IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA.

THEY ARE FOCUSING ON THE DRUGS, HUMAN TRAFFICKING, AND THE CHILD SEX TRAFFICKING.

DAVID WANTS TO DEFUND THE BORDER STRIKE FORCE, THE VERY FORCE THAT I'M BRAGGING ON, BRAVE MEN AND WOMEN THAT HAVE DONE A LOT TO CLEAN UP THE DRUGS AND HUMAN TRAFFICKING IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA.

WILL YOU ADDRESS THAT?

>> I WANT THE FUNDING TO GO TO PATROLLING OUR HIGHWAYS 24/7.

WHEN YOU WALKED INTO OFFICE, YOU SAID THAT WAS GOING TO BE A COMMITMENT.

IT IS ANOTHER BROKEN PROMISE.

FROM THE HOURS OF 2:00 AM TO 6:00 AM -- >> CAN I REPLY?

>> PLEASE.

>> BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN PRIORITIZING DOLLARS FOR SCHOOLS, AND WE WANT PUBLIC SAFETY IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA.

WE ARE ABLE TO DO BOTH.

>> SO THE ANSWER IS THEY ARE LEFT UNPATROLLED.

I WOULD LIKE [ OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ] >> I WANT TO HEAR ANGEL FIRST.

ANGEL WHAT ARE YOU THINKING?

>> WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, GOVERNOR, IF WE WANT SAFE AND SECURE BORDER TOWN, NOGALES, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE STRONG RESILIENT ECONOMIES.

PEOPLE ARE FLEEING POVERTY IN THESE NATIONS.

UP TO 70% OF THE MEXICAN POPULATION LIVES IN POVERTY.

SO ONE THING AS WORKERS WE WOULD BE NEGOTIATING AN INTERNATIONAL TRADE AGREEMENT THAT BENEFIT WORKING PEOPLE, THAT DON'T DRIVE DOWN WAGES OR FORCE GOVERNMENTS TO CUT FUNDING FOR EDUCATION AND SOCIAL HEALTHCARE.

SO WE SUPPORT STRONG AND RESILIENT ECONOMIES, SO THAT IS WHAT IS GOING TO HELP ADDRESS THE REAL CAUSE OF MIGRATION TO THE UNITED STATES AND CANADA.

ON THE FLIP SIDE, WE SUPPORT AN IMMIGRATION POLICY THAT RESPECTS OUR FELLOW WORKER AND THEIR FAMILIES, IRRESPECTIVE OF WHERE THEY HAVE COME FROM.

SO WE SHOULDN'T BE SCAPEGOATING AND DEMONIZING PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST LOOKING FOR A BETTER LIFE.

YOU KNOW, AND SO WE NEED TO EXPONENTIALLY EXPAND THE NUMBER OF WORK AND STUDENT VISAS AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE WHEN THEY COME TO THIS COUNTRY.

THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO WAIT FIVE, TEN, 15, 20 YEARS TO GET A PIECE OF PAPER TO MAKE A BETTER LIVE FOR THEMSELVES AND THEIR FAMILIES.

>> THE DEMOCRATIC MAYORS OF BORDER TOWNS LIKE DOUGLAS, HAS ENDORSED BY CAMPAIGN.

SO HAS MAJOR SANCHEZ AND MAYOR DOLE, AND THIS IS BECAUSE THEIR ECONOMIES ARE STARTING TO SEE A TURN AROUND.

THEY SEE THE RELATIONSHIP THAT WE HAVE WITH MEXICO, AND THEY VALUE BORDER SECURITY.

THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE DOING ACROSS THE BOARD.

WE WANT TO SEE MORE OF IT HAPPENING, BUT ANOTHER THING THAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THE ABILITY TO WORK WITH OTHERS.

THE ABILITY TO WORK ACROSS THE AISLE.

WHEN I TALK ABOUT PROPOSITION 123, THAT WAS DONE IN A BIPARTISAN WAY.

THE TEACHER'S ACADEMY THAT WAS FRED DUVAL'S IDEA THAT I WORKED WITH HIM TO BRING TO LIFE.

AND I HAVE DEMOCRATIC MAYORS ON THE BORDER THAT LIKE WHAT WE'RE DOING, AND I HAVE AN OPPONENT THAT WANTS TO DEFUND IT -- >> ANGEL -- >> WELL -- >> HOLD ON A SECOND.

>> WHAT I'M SAY, GOVERNOR, IS THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE -- AS I STATED EARLIER, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE SAFE AND SECURE BORDER TOWNS BECAUSE MEXICO AND THE COUNTRIES IN CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICA HAVE STRONG ECONOMIES.

THEY ARE FLEEING POVERTY.

>> DAVID, PLEASE.

YOU WERE GOING TO TALK ABOUT YOUR IMMIGRATION POLICY -- >> THE BORDER SHERIFFS ARE ASKING THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY TO PATROL THE BORDERS 24/7.

AND IT IS NOT BEING DONE RIGHT NOW.

THAT NEEDS TO BE THE PRIORITY.

YOU SAID THAT WAS THE PRIORITY, AND ONCE AGAIN IT IS A HALF MEASURE AND BROKEN PROMISE.

WITH RESPECT TO THE COMPANY THAT WE KEEP, SEVEN MEMBERS OF YOUR ADMINISTRATION IS IN LEGAL TROUBLE.

THAT'S THE COMPANY YOU KEEP.

AND I HAVE TREMENDOUS RESPECT FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT.

BUT LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THAT IDEA OF RESPECT COMES WITH TRUST.

GOVERNOR WHEN I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL, WE HAD A FAMILY PARTY AND THE POLICE WERE CALLED, AND AT THE END OF THE EPISODE MY DAD WAS CALLED A TACO VENDOR AND TAKEN TO THE POLICE STATION.

AND HE WAS ALLOWED TO WALK HOME ON HIS OWN.

AND I NEVER FORGOT THAT, SO YOU NEED TO HAVE TRUST BETWEEN LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THE COMMUNITIES THAT THEY SERVE, AND I'M GOING TO LEAD THAT COURAGEOUS DISCUSSION.

>> DAVID MY DAD WAS A COP.

I HAVE AN EXCELLENT RELATIONSHIP WITH THE LAW ENFORCEMENT IN THIS STATE.

I WORK WITH OUR LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AND OUR BORDER AGE EXES AND OTHERS.

YOU HAVE HIRED PEOPLE THAT CALL THE UNITED STATES AN S-HOLE COUNTRY.

AND F THE POLICE.

AND YES, WE'RE MAKING A LOT OF CHANGES IN STATE GOVERNMENT.

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE YOU ARE HIRING AND WHAT THEY ARE PUTTING OUT THERE.

AND YOU DON'T EVEN TERMINATE THEM.

>> SHE RESIGNED.

AND SHE WAS A YOUNG STAFFER WHO HAS LEARNED FROM HER MISTAKE.

YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN LEGAL PROBLEM WHO LEAD THE ARIZONA GOVERNMENT.

>> LET'S TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE HIRING DECISIONS.

>> HOW ABOUT THE HIRING DECISION AT THE DEPARTMENT OF CHILD SAFETY, WHICH WAS THE MOST BROKEN AGENCY IF NOT THE STATE, POSSIBLY IN THE COUNTRY, AND LAST YEAR WAS NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED FOR THE TURN AROUND.

WHEN YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE CHANGES IN STATE GOVERNMENT, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME ISSUES.

WE HAVE HAD SOME DISRUPTION, BECAUSE WE'RE IMPROVING AND STREAMLINING AND BRINGING TECHNOLOGY -- >> UP TO SEVEN DEPARTMENT HEADS -- HAVE THEY BEEN IN LEGAL TROUBLE OR OTHERWISE INDICTED -- >> DAVID THERE IS 35,000 -- THE LARGEST ORGANIZATION YOU HAVE EVER RUN IS YOUR CAMPAIGN, AND YOU ARE TAKING ENDORSEMENTS FROM PEOPLE THAT WANT TO SHUT DOWN THE BORDER PATROL, AND YOU HAVE GOT PEOPLE THAT ARE POSTING OUT NEGATIVE THINGS ON ARIZONA -- OUR STATE GOVERNMENT IS IMPROVING.

>> OUR HIGHWAYS ARE NOT GUARDED FOR FOUR HOURS A NIGHT.

>> WE HAVE 24-HOUR LAW ENFORCEMENT IN ARIZONA.

YOU ARE DECEIVING -- >> IT IS NOT MY REPORT, BY THE WAY.

>> LET'S GET BACK TO THE ECONOMY HERE.

AND IT WAS REFERRED TO EARLIER, ARIZONA IS DOING WELL.

THE UNITED STATES IS DOING WELL.

THE WEST IS DOING WELL.

HOW ARE WE SPECIAL?

>> WE WERE LEADING THIS BEFOREHAND IN TERMS OF COMING OUT OF THE DOWNTURN IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA.

WE HAVE A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE.

70% OF THE ADULTS IN ARIZONA WERE BORN SOMEWHERE ELSE, AND THEY ARE MOVING HERE.

THIS IS PLACE THAT IS WELCOME TO ENTREPRENEURS.

AND THIS HAS BEEN VALIDATED BY COMPANIES LIKE APPLE, AND COMCAST.

WE ARE TAKING THESE COMPANIES FROM CALIFORNIA.

WE'RE WINNING HEADQUARTER OFFICES EVEN FROM TEXAS.

WE'RE IN A DYNAMIC COMPETITIVE ENVIRONMENT -- >> WE ARE ROUTINELY LAST IN JOB DEVELOPMENT -- >> WE ARE BEHIND THE REST OF OUR WESTERN STATES, AND THE NUMBER 1 REASON WHY, IS WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE IN ARIZONA TODAY.

HOW ARE WE INVESTING IN THEIR EDUCATION TODAY?

COMMUNITY COLLEGES WERE ZEROED OUT UNDER YOUR ADMINISTRATION.

>> ANGEL, YOU WANT TO GET IN HERE.

>> YES, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, IT'S NOT ABOUT GROWING THE ECONOMY.

WE CAN'T HAVE A STRONG ECONOMY WHEN ONE IN SEVEN ARIZONANS IS LIVING IN POVERTY.

WE NEED TO STRENGTHEN OUR ECONOMY.

THAT SHOULD BE THE FOCUS.

I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO IMPROVE MY STANDARD OF LIVING.

WHEN I STARTED IN THE AIRLINE INDUSTRY 31 YEARS AGO, WE WERE THE LOWEST PAID IN THE INDUSTRY BECAUSE WE ORGANIZED FOR MANY YEARS, AND NOW WE SET THE INDUSTRY STANDARD FOR PAY.

WE NEED TO USE THE PURCHASING POWER OF THE UNIVERSITIES, THE HOSPITALS, OUR COMMUNITY COLLEGES, AND CREATE WORKER-OWNED BUSINESSES IN THE RURAL COMMUNITIES, NOT JUST HERE IN MARICOPA COUNTY.

SO STRENGTHEN THE ECONOMY SHOULD BE OUR FOCUS, NOT GROWING THE ECONOMY.

THE ECONOMY IS BOOMING FOR THE TOP 1%.

WE NEED TO GROW THE ECONOMY FOR THE PEOPLE AT THE BOTTOM.

>> DAVID, THE GOVERNOR TALKED ABOUT WORKING ACROSS THE AISLE, GETTING THINGS DONE WITH THOSE WHO MIGHT NOT BE OF YOUR POLITICAL PARTY.

HOW WOULD YOU WORK WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, FOR EXAMPLE, WHO SUPPORTS THE GOVERNOR AND NOT YOU?

>> I HAVE WORKED WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE BY ENTIRE YEAR.

IN MY CAREER WORKING AT THE STATE LEGISLATURE, I WORKED WITH PEOPLE FROM BOTH PARTIES.

I WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT.

BUT WHAT WE NEED IS A SYSTEM WHERE WE DO NOT HAVE CEO'S IN ARIZONA WHO ARE GETTING A 47% RAISE OVER 1 YEAR, WHERE THE REST OF ARIZONA, FOLKS LIKE MY DAD GOT A 4% RAISE.

AND AN ECONOMY WHERE TEACHERS ARE WORKING TWO OR THREE JOBS TO MAKE ENDS MEET.

IT IS THOSE FOLKS -- >> I WANT TO SEE EVERYBODY IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA GET A RAISE.

RIGHT NOW WE HAVE MORE JOBS AVAILABLE THAN PEOPLE TO FILL THEM.

AND THE CHAMBERS HAVE ENDORSED ME, LEADERS AND JOB CREATORS, THAT'S WHY OUR ECONOMY IS BOOMING, BUT ALSO IN TERMS OF EDUCATION, DAVID'S FORMER BOSS, THE SUPERINTENDENT OF PUBLIC INSTRUCTION HAS ENDORSED MY CAMPAIGN.

THE SUPERINTENDENT OF PUBLIC INSTRUCTION HAS ENDORSED MY CAMPAIGN, BECAUSE THEY THINK I HAVE A PLAN THAT WILL NOT ONLY DEAL WITH EDUCATION, BUT GROW OUR ECONOMY AND PROTECT OUR PUBLIC SAFETY -- >> I AM NOT SURPRISED THAT TWO REPUBLICANS HAVE ENDORSED -- >> WHAT ABOUT MARIO DIAZ -- >> ARE YOU PAYING -- >> WHAT ABOUT -- >> ARE YOU PAYING -- >> WHAT ABOUT JERRY SANCHEZ.

>> ARE YOU PAYING?

>> I'M NOT PAYING JERRY SANCHEZ.

>> ARE YOU PAYING MARIO DIAZ -- >> MARIO DIAZ IS WORKING ON OUR CAMPAIGN.

>> ARE YOU PAYING MARIO DIAZ?

>> DO YOU HAVE A CAMPAIGN STAFF?

>> YES, OF COURSE HE IS GOING TO BACK YOU IF YOU PAY SOMEBODY, YOU CAN EXPECT THEM TO ENDORSE YOU.

>> LISA GRAHAM-KEEGAN, THE BORDER MAYORS WHO ARE DEMOCRATS.

I WORKED WITH KATIE HOBBS TO CLEAR THE RAPE KITS.

WE GOT THE 20% PAY INCREASE -- WHEN YOU ARE THE GOVERNOR, YOU HAVE TO WORK ACROSS THE AISLE.

YOU CAN'T JUST LEAD A MARCH OR A RESISTANCE, YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH OTHERS ON BEHALF OF THE STATE OF ARIZONA.

DAVID IS LEADING A PROTEST.

HE IS NOT RUNNING TO BE A LEADER OF THE STATE.

>> IS THAT VALID THAT YOUR CAMPAIGN IS BASICALLY A PROTEST, A REFERENDUM ON THE GOVERNOR, REPUBLICANS AND DONALD TRUMP.

>> THIS IS A REFERENDUM ON DOUG DUCEY.

AND THE PROBLEMS WHEN HE WALKED THROUGH THE DOOR ARE STILL A PROBLEM.

WE'RE YET TO HAVE OUR BORDER -- OUR HIGHWAYS PATROLS, CHARTER SCHOOL ACCOUNTABILITY WAS A PROBLEM, AND THE GOVERNOR, MR.

DUCEY SAID HE DIDN'T CARE HOW MUCH CEO'S MADE.

THAT WAS A PROBLEM.

OVER AND OVER AGAIN, WE'RE SEEING A COMMON THEME HERE.

THEY WERE A PROBLEM WHEN YOU WALKED IN THE DOOR.

THEY REMAIN A PROBLEM TODAY.

THEY ARE BROKEN PROBLEMS THAT YOU DID NOT ADDRESS.

>> AND HE HAS PRESENTED NO PLAN.

I THINK PUTTING IN A 10% INCREASE IN PER PUPIL SPENDING, $2.7 BILLION IS A PRETTY GOOD FIRST STEP, AND I SAID THE ENTIRE TIME THERE IS MORE TO DO.

>> LET ME -- >> HOLD ON A SECOND.

LET HIM FINISH.

>> HALF MEASURE.

>> HE HAS NO PLAN, BUT HE HAS A LOT OF CRITICISMS.

>> HOW WOULD HIS ELECTION CHALLENGE THE ECONOMIC GROWTH THAT WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW?

HOW WOULD IT PUT IT IN DANGER?

>> I HAVE USED THE SUPER BOWL, THE NCAA FINAL FOUR TO HELP BUILD THE ECONOMY, ALONG WITH SPRING TRAINING, AND THE WASTE MANAGEMENT PHOENIX OPEN.

SO I HAVE SAT DOWN WITH A LOT OF BUSINESS LEADERS OUTSIDE OF THE STATE.

IF YOU WERE TO DOUBLE OUR INCOME, YOU WOULDN'T EVEN GET THE SIT DOWN.

YOU WOULD SHUT DOWN THE STATE'S ECONOMY.

IT'S RECKLESS AND A RADICAL IDEA.

>> I DON'T KNOW WHY MR.

DUCEY KEEPS TALKING -- >> BECAUSE IT WAS YOUR PLAN.

>> IT IS NO LONGER -- >> DO YOU SUPPORT THAT IDEA?

>> I SUPPORT GOING TO THE LEGISLATURE -- >> DOES IT LOOK LIKE HE IS GOING TO WORK WITH PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE, TED?

>> IT SOUNDS AS THOUGH HE WANTS DEDICATED FUNDING FOR EDUCATION.

DO YOU?

>> WHEN YOU SAY DEDICATED FUNDING, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A TAX INCREASE.

HE HAS SAID HE WANTS TO RAISE TAXES ON INDIVIDUALS AND BUSINESSES.

WHO ELSE AND WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT TO RAISE TAXES ON?

WE NEED TO RAISE REVENUE IN THIS STATE, AND OUR REVENUE IS GROWING.

>> WHEN ARE WE GOING TO STOP THIS SKY IS FALLING IDEA ABOUT WHAT WE CAN'T DO.

YOU WERE AGAINST PROPOSITION 206.

HE WAS GOING TO CRUSH BUSINESSES AND THE ECONOMY, AND EVEN THOUGH YOU DID NOT KNOW WHAT WAS POSSIBLE AND YOUR VISION WAS LIMITED, THE PEOPLE OF ARIZONA PASSED IT, AND WHAT HAS HAPPENED.

>> I WANT TO GET TO ANGEL FOR A RESPONSE.

>> FIRST, I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT OUR DISABLED COMMUNITY.

FORTUNATELY WE WERE ABLE TO PROTECT THEM.

PEOPLE HAVE BEEN VOTING WITH THEIR FEET AND COMING TO THE STATE OF ARIZONA.

WITH YOUR INCOME TAX PLAN ALONE, YOU RISK THE STATE'S ENTIRE ECONOMY.

>> HOLD ON.

>> AND FACTCHECKGARCIA.COM.

BY THE OWN MEASURES THAT HE WORKS, THE TEACHERS HAVE MOVED FROM 40TH TO 16TH -- >> ANGEL, GET IN HERE, PLEASE.

HOLD ON.

>> GOVERNOR, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, IF WE'RE GOING TO STRENGTHEN OUR ECONOMY, WE NEED OTHER MODELS THAN THE CORPORATE MODEL.

ARE THEY PAYING A LIVING WAGE?

YOU TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT -- THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF JOBS THAT ARE GOING UNFILLED?

BUT DO THEY PAY A LIVING WAGE?

SOME PEOPLE ARE WORKING TWO JOBS TO PUT FOOD ON THE TABLE.

BUT I ALSO WANT TO RAISE A LARGER ISSUE WITH BOTH MY OPPONENTS.

GOVERNOR DUCEY HAS RAISED OVER $4.7 MILLION FOR HIS ELECTION, THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE NEGATIVE ATTACK AD AGAINST MR.

GARCIA.

MR.

GARCIA HAS RAISED OVER A MILLION DOLLARS FOR THIS ELECTION.

THE JOB ONLY PAYS $95,000 A YEAR.

WE NEED TO GET BACK TO A GOVERNMENT BY AND FOR THE PEOPLE.

WHAT WE HAVE IS A GOVERNMENT BY AND FOR CORPORATIONS.

THEY ARE SETTING POLICY AND GETTING THE LEGISLATURES ELECTED.

>> I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP THE ATTACK AD.

DO YOU AGREE WITH THE CONTENT AND TONE OF THOSE ADS.

>> I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR MY OWN ADS.

I STAND BY MY ADS.

I THINK IT SHOWS WHAT WE'RE DOING, AND SHOWS WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.

WHAT YOUR POLICIES ARE THAT YOU ARE NOT ADDRESSING TODAY.

I WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THIS STATEMENT THAT DAVID PUT OUT, WE'RE AT A RECORD LEVEL IN OUR GENERAL FUND RIGHT NOW.

$432 MILLION THAT WE CAN MOVE INTO K-12 EDUCATION AND OTHER THINGS NEEDED IN THE STATE.

TED, HANG ON.

THIS IS IMPORTANT.

AN INDEPENDENT FEDERAL AGENCY PROJECTS $1.5 BILLION ADDITIONAL FOR ARIZONA OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF REVENUE.

DAVID'S PLAN IS TO DOUBLE TAXES -- >> I'M ASKING YOU YOUR PERSONAL OPINION OF THE CONTENT AND THE TONE OF THOSE ADS.

>> YES, DAVID, I THINK THE ADS THAT HAVE BEEN OUT ON YOU ARE PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENTS.

>> I AM FATHER -- I'M A FATHER OF TWO DAUGHTERS -- >> AND I'M A FATHER OF THREE SONS -- >> AND YOU BELIEVE I WOULD PUT THEM AND ARIZONA AT RISK?

YOU BELIEVE THAT?

>> IF YOU WOULD REFUND THE BORDER STRIKE FORCE AND REMOVE ICE -- >> I HAVE SAID OVER AND OVER AGAIN -- >> THOSE ARE YOUR WORDS.

>> NO THEY ARE NOT.

>> FACTCHECKGARCIA.COM.

>> WE NEED A HIGHWAY PATROL 24/7, THEY DARKEN MY FACE AND SCARE FAMILIES -- >> COME ON, DAVID.

DO YOU THINK THAT JAIME WOULD HAVE ENDORSED ME?

DO YOU THINK THAT THE BORDER MAYORS -- >> YOU KNOW.

>> DAVID THIS IS DESPERATE, AND IT'S BECAUSE YOU ARE LOSING.

>> WHEN POLITICIANS GET IN TROUBLE THEY START TO PIT PEOPLE AGAINST EACH OTHER ALONG THE IDEA OF RACE AND CLASS.

AND I FINE IT INTERESTING THAT YOU BRING UP TWO LATINOS TO DEFEND YOUR DECISION.

>> OKAY.

AT THE HEART IS BIGOTED AND RACE US.

WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME.

>> DAVID MY ISSUES IS NOT WITH YOU AS A PERSON.

THEY ARE CLEARLY ON YOUR POLICIES.

BUDGET PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW WHERE THEY STAND IN TERMS OF DOUBLING THEIR TAXES.

>> THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE TO STAND.

I THINK WE HAVE TO STOP IT RIGHT THERE.

TIME NOW FOR CLOSING STATEMENTS.

WE START WITH GOVERNOR DOUG DUCEY.

>> WHEN THE "ARIZONA REPUBLIC" ENDORSED ME FOUR YEARS AGO, THEY SAID I WOULD BE ARIZONA'S GOVERNOR FOR TOUGH TIMES.

TODAY OUR ECONOMY IS BOOMING.

OUR GENERAL FUND IS OVERFLOWING WITH DOLLARS.

NOW WE'RE GOING TO GET THIS 20% PAY INCREASE TO OUR TEACHERS, BUT I WANT TO BE YOUR GOVERNOR FOR THE NEXT FOUR YEARS, BECAUSE I WANT TO SECURE ARIZONA'S FUTURE.

WE'RE ON THE VERGE OF A JUGGERNAUT OF JOBS FOR THE STATE OF ARIZONA THAT WILL FUND ALL OF THE NEEDS FOR K-12 EDUCATION, PUBLIC SAFETY AND CHILD SAFETY IN OUR STATE.

I HOPE YOU SEE A DRAMATIC DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MY PLAN AND THOSE OF MY OPPONENT.

GO TO FACTCHECKGARCIA.COM.

AND IF YOU WANT MORE INFORMATION ON MY CAMPAIGN, YOU CAN GO TO DOUGDUCEY.COM.

I'M ASKING FOR YOUR VOTE.

THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

AND NEXT UP IS ANGEL TORRES.

>> THANK YOU, TED.

AND THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO DEBATE.

REFACE SERIOUS CHALLENGES AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

THE STRUGGLE TO GET OUR FELLOW ARIZONANS OUT OF POVERTY.

HOW ARE WE GOING TO FULLY FUND PUBLIC EDUCATION IN THIS STATE, AND ENSURE WE HAVE A SAFE AND SUSTAINABLE WATER SUPPLY FOR DECADES TO COME.

PLEASE VISIT MY WEBSITE, AND I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR VOTE ON TUESDAY NOVEMBER 6TH.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND FINALLY DAVID GARCIA.

>> I'M DAVID GARCIA AND I'M RUNNING TO BE GOVERNOR OF MY HOME STATE.

I'M RUNNING TO INVEST IN OUR SCHOOLS, AND CREATE AN ECONOMY THAT WORKS FOR ALL OF ARIZONA.

THE BASIS OF OPPORTUNITY IN THE AMERICAN DREAM IS PUBLIC EDUCATION, AND WE WOULD NEVER HAVE A GOVERNOR MORE COMMITTED TO PUBLIC SCHOOLS THAN ME.

WE ALSO NEED A GOVERNOR THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE A RUBBER STAMP FOR TRUMP AND ONE THAT WON'T RESORT TO POLITICAL TRICKS AND DECEPTION IN ORDER TO WIN, AND LASTLY, WE NEED A GOVERNOR THAT IS GOING TO LOOK FOR THE PEOPLE OF ARIZONA, TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE AEN ECONOMY THAT PROSPERS.

WE NEED A GOVERNOR WHO IS FROM US, FOR US, READY TO FIGHT FOR THE PEOPLE OF ARIZONA.

I WILL BE THAT GOVERNOR AND I WOULD BE PROUD TO HAVE YOUR VOTE >> GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND THANK YOU FOR WATCHING THIS DEBATE FEATURING THE CANDIDATES FOR ARIZONA GOVERNOR.

KEEP WATCHING "ARIZONA HORIZON" FOR MORE DEBATES INCLUDING WEDNESDAY WHEN WE HEAR FROM THE CANDIDATES FOR STATE TREASURER.

THAT'S IT FOR NOW.

I'M TED SIMONS.

THANKS FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING.

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