>> Ted: NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON, WE'LL HEAR FROM ONE OF THE CANDIDATES REPRESENTING ONE THE THIRD CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT.

GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

GOVERNOR DUCEY ANNOUNCED THE FLAT TAX PACKAGE WILL GO INTO EFFECT 2023 INSTEAD OF 2024 AS ORGANIZE FALLY PLANNED.

ORIGINALLY PLANNED AND EXCEEDS THRESHOLDS TO IMPLEMENT THE TAX AND SAYS WHEN THE FLAT TAX IS ENACTED ON JANUARY 1st, ARIZONA WILL HAVE THE LOWEST FLAT TAX IN THE COUNTRY.

NATIONAL NEWS RESCUE EFFORTS CONTINUE IN FLORIDA AS PARTS OF STATE CONTINUE TO RECOVER FROM HURRICANE IAN DUMPING RAIN AND THE DEATH TOLL IS AT 17 AND THAT WILL ALMOST CERTAINLY GO HIGHER ACCORDING TO PRESIDENT BIDEN.

>> THIS COULD BE THE DEADLIEST HURRICANE IN FLORIDA'S HISTORY.

THE NUMBERS ARE STILL UNCLEAR AND WE'RE HEARING EARLY REPORTS OF WHAT MAY BE SUBSTANTIAL LOSS OF LIFE.

>> THERE ARE COLLAPSED BUILDINGS AND RECORD-HIGH FLOODWATERS WITH CLOSE TO THREE MILLION CUSTOMERS WITHOUT ELECTRICITY.

THE GOVERNOR RON DESANTIS SAYS THIS REBUILDING COULD TAKE YEARS.

THIS IS FROM FORT MYERS BEACH AND THE TOWN IS IN MANY RESPECTS GONE.

IAN WEAKENED TO A TROPICAL STORM EARLY TODAY AND WAS A HURRICANE AND EXPECTED TO HIT FORECAST LANDFALL IN SOUTH CAROLINA TOMORROW AS A CATEGORY 1 HURRICANE CAPABLE OF FOUR TO SEVEN-FOOT STORM SURGES.

>>> TIME NOW TO HEAR FROM ONE OF THE CANDIDATES REPRESENTING THE THIRD CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT AND WE SHOULD NOTE WE REACHED OUT TO THE CONGRESSMAN TO JOIN US AND WE DID NOT HEAR BACK FROM THE CONGRESSMAN AND JEFF, GOOD TO HAVE YOU AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU AND WE'LL TAKE MY HAT OFF AND GET MORE HOSPITABLE.

>> Ted: YOU ARE RUNNING AGAINST A SITTING CONGRESSMAN AND WHY?

>> WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS IS, WHAT HAPPENED TO ME.

FOUR YEARS AGO, I PLAYED COLLEGE FOOTBALL AT TEXAS TECH AS A DEFENSIVE BACK AND BROKE MY NECK.

BUT I WAS LEFT WITH MIGRAINE HEADACHES AND THEY BECAME WORSE.

ON DECEMBER 24th, BECAUSE I HAD BECOME 100% DISABLED, ALL OF THE NEUROLOGISTS AND EVERYBODY COULD NOT FIGURE OUT WHY MY HEADACHES BECAME SO BAD AND SO STRONG THAT WHEN I WENT TO BURROW'S ER I HAD A BLOOD PRESSURE OVER 248 248 248 OVER 98 AND SHOULD HAVE DIED THAT DAY.

WHAT HAPPENED THAT DAY WAS THAT I PRAYED A PRAYER THAT SAID, GOD, I DON'T WANT TO LIVE OF THIS LIFE AND I WILL BE A FAITHFUL SERVANT AND ON THAT NIGHT, AS YOU'RE SITTING IN FRONT OF ME, GOD STOOD IN FRONT OF ME AND HE SAID HE WOULD BREAK MY HEADACHES AND WOULD RESTORE MY HEALTH AND SEND ME TO DEPRESS TO REPRESENT HIS PEOPLE.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT I HAD HEADACHES OVER 40 YEARS EVERY DAY.

I HAVE NOT HAD A HEADACHE SINCE DECEMBER 24th.

I CAN TELL YOU I COULDN'T WALK ACROSS THE LIVING ROOM FLOOR AND I'M WALKING SIX TO EIGHT HOURS A DAY, SIX TO TEN MILES A DAY, KNOCKING ON DOORS HERE IN CONGRESSIONAL THREE, MEETING PEOPLE.

MY HEALTH HAS BEEN RESTORED.

SO THE ONLY THING I NEED NOW IS FOR GOD'S PEOPLE TO VOTE THEIR FAITH AND I'M THE NEXT CONGRESSMAN IN THE DISTRICT.

>> Ted: VOTING FAINT IS ONE THING AND VOTING ISSUES IS ANOTHER.

THERE ARE A VARIETY OF ISSUES AT MAY AND WE'LL START WITH INFLATION.

I WANT TO GET SOME THINGS THAT YOU SAID AND AS FAR AS INFLATION CONCERNED, WHAT DO YOU DO BACK IN WASHINGTON TO GET SOME OF THE PRICES?

WHAT CAN YOU DO AS A CONGRESSMAN?

>> WELL, FIRST AND FOREMOST, WHAT I WANT TO DO IS STOP GOVERNMENT SPENDING.

JUST AS TODAY, GAS PRICES ARE $5 A GALLON.

>> Ted: THE OTHER SIDE WILL SAY AND THERE IS AN ARGUMENT TO BE MADE THAT OIL COMPANIES CAN DRILL ANY TIME THEY WANT AND HAVE THE PERMITS AND CAN GET GOING AND NOT AS PROFITABLE FOR IT TO BE AND HOW DOES THAT PLAY INTO THE EQUATION?

>> COMING FROM THE OIL AND GAS FIELD WHICH IS WHAT I DID IN THE TEXAS PANHANDLE, THAT'S NOT TRUE.

WHAT HAPPENS, THERE HAS TO BE PERMITS AND THOSE PERMITS ARE PROVIDED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND BIDEN HAS STOPPED ALL OF THE DRILLING AND YOU CAN'T DRILL IN AREAS WITHOUT THE GOVERNMENT'S PERMISSION.

SO HE, IN ESSENCE, IS THE PROBLEM.

AND WE NEED TO OPEN UP OUR OIL AND GAS FIELDS TO ALLOW GAS TO FLOW SO THAT WE BECOME INDEPENDENT ONCE AGAIN.

>> Ted: YOU MENTIONED THE PRINTING OF MONEY AND COVID RELIEF FUNDS IS A MAJOR FACTOR AND SHOULD THE GOVERNMENT NOT HAVE RELEASED THOSE FUNDS?

>> THE THING IS THAT THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE ACTUALLY MADE THE MANMANDATES FOR COVID AND SHOULDN'T HAVE CLOSED OUR BUSINESSES AND SHOULDN'T HAVE CLOSED OUR CHURCHES AND SHOULDN'T HAVE CLOSED OUR NATION DOWN.

THE PROBLEM IS THAT WHEN YOU STOP AND STIFLE THIS GREAT NATION THAT IS ABLE -- THINK ABOUT THIS, IN WORLD WAR II, WE WERE ABLE TO OVERCOME NOT ONLY JUST ONE FRONT BUT TWO FRONTS AT THE SAME TIME BECAUSE OF THE HARD WORK THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE GIVE.

>> Ted: THE QUESTION WAS PRINTING MONEY FOR COVID RELIEF FUNDS AND A LOT OF PEOPLE SAID THAT SPIKED INFLATION AND IF IT DID SPIKE INFLATION, WAS IT THE WRONGWRONG THING TO DO?

>> ABSOLUTELY IT WAS.

WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS WE NEED TO START CREATING MANUFACTURING JOBS IN SOUTH PHOENIX AND CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT THREE.

WHEN I'M KNOCKING ON DOORS, FAMILIES ARE ASKING ME TO ACTUALLY START PROVIDING JOBS, GOOD-PAYING JOBS, NOT THE 15-DOLLARS-AN-HOUR JOBS WORKING FOUR HOURS A DAY.

EMPLOYERS ARE PAYING PART-TIME AND THAT DOESN'T COME WITH BENEFITS.

YOU'RE WORKING THREE AND FOUR JOBS TO COVER THIS AND THAT INFLATION IS A DIRECT RELATION.

IF WE ALLOW PEOPLE IN SOUTH MOUNTAIN TO GO TO WORK AND PROVIDE A GOOD LIVING, THEY'LL HAVE BENEFITS AND THEY'LL PROVIDE FOR THEIR FAMILIES.

>> Ted: WHAT SHOULD IMMIGRATION REFORM LOOK LIKE AND WHAT DO FOLKS IN YOUR DISTRICT WANT IMMIGRATION REFORM TO LOOK LIKE?

>> SO, AGAIN, ALL OF THE FAMILIES THAT I TALK WITH, THEY WANT THE BORDERS SHUT DOWN AND THEY WANT THEM CLOSED.

WE HAVE JUST THIS YEAR -- >> Ted: SHUT DOWN, A DOES THAT MEAN?

>> WE NEED TO PUT A WALL UP AND WE NEED TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM COMING INTO ARIZONA.

WE NEED -- THEY NEED TO ACTUALLY HAVE THE CHANCE TO VET THESE PEOPLE OUT AND SEE, THE PROBLEM IS THAT HUGO CHAVEZ RELEASED PEOPLE FROM PRISON AND SENT THEM TO AMERICA.

WE'RE FINDING CRIMINALS, RAPISTS AND MURDERERS SENT TO US AND DUMPING HIS PROBLEM ON AMERICA AND WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO VET THOSE PEOPLE OUT.

>> Ted: ARE WE NOT VETTING THOSE PEOPLE OUT RIGHT NOW?

>> NO, WE'RE NOT.

WHAT'S HAPPENING, THEY'RE BEING GIVEN I.D.

'S AND SOCIAL CURRENT NUMBERS AT THE BORDER.

THE THING IS, THEM TRANSPORTED FURTHER INTO OUR COUNTRY.

WE LOSE TRACK OF THEM.

SEE, 93% OF THE PEOPLE DON'T EVEN THOUGH UP TO THEIR COURT CASES.

THAT'S A PROBLEM.

NOW THEY'RE LOST.

>> Ted: THERE ARE THOSE THAT ARGUE THADE OF GIVING THEM SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS ISN'T HAPPENING AT THE BORDER AND THESE ARE ASSYLUM SEEKERS AND WAYS OF GETTING THEM ACROSS.

REGARDLESS OF THAT, WHEN IT COMES TO BUSINESS, WHEN IT COMES TO EMPLOYERS, SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS, THEY CAN'T FIND PEOPLE TO DO THE JOBS.

WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THESE BUSINESSES?

>> A LOT OF THINGS WITH COVID EXPECTAND THE MONEY SPENT THERE, YOU COULD STAY HOME AND MAKE MORE MONEY THAN YOU WOULD GO TO WORK.

WE NEED TO CUT THAT OUT.

WE NEED TO PUT OUR PEOPLE BACK TO WORK AND THAT'S MORE IMPORTANT AND THE REASON WHY IS THAT IF I CAN MAKE MORE MONEY LAYING ON THE COUCH DOING NOTHING, THEN I WOULD RATHER DO THAT AND YOU'RE LESS LIKELY TO HAVE THAT WORKER AND IF WE HAVE A MOTIVATION THAT'S CUT OFF, WE'RE MIGHT INVESTIGATING THEM MOTIVATING THEM TO GO TO WORK AND GET BENEFITS WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT TO HELPING THE FAMILIES.

>> Ted: WOULD YOU VOTE TO CODIFY ROE V. WADE, PUT THAT INTO LAW?

>> PERSONALLY, AS AN ORDAINED MINISTER, NO.

THIS IS THE BEAUTY OF WHAT OUR FOUNDING FATHERS DID.

THAT IN THE CONSTITUTION, WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, AT NO TIME IS IT OK TO MURDER SOMEBODY AND THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVE IT IS.

AND THE THING IS THAT, IT SHOULD BE THE STATES.

AND SEE, THE STATES HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE -- EACH STATE HAS THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE WHAT THEY WANT AND SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE HANDS OF THE PEOPLE AND THAT'S WHAT IS IMPORTANT.

>> Ted: WOULD YOU PUT INTO LAW CERTAIN LIMITS, RESTRICTIONS OR JUST AN OUTRIGHT BAN IF YOU WERE IN CONGRESS AND DEALING WITH FEDERAL LAW?

>> HOW ABOUT THIS?

LET'S GET THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT COMPLETELY OUT OF HEALTHCARE AND THEY'RE NOT DOCTORS.

THEY'RE NOT SOMETHING THERE.

THAT SHOULD BE BETWEEN THE PATIENT AND THE DOCTOR.

SOMETHING LIKE MYSELF IN MEDICINE FOR WELL OVER 35 YEARS.

IT'S IMPORTANT WE SIT DOWN AND LISTEN TO THE PATIENT AND IT'S THEIR CHOICE AND WHAT THEY DO.

QUICKLY, ANY EXCEPTIONS FOR RAPE OR INCEST?

>> EXCEPTION, IN THE LIFE OF MOTHER, ABSOLUTELY.

IT'S A STATE CHOICE, NOT A FEDERAL CHOICE.

>> Ted: I HAVE TO ASK YOU IF YOU WERE IN CONGRESS AT THE TIME, WOULD YOU HAVE VOTED TO CERTIFY ARIZONA ELECTION CHOICE FOR PRESIDENT?

>> I WOULD NOT HAVE.

>> Ted: WHY NOT?

>> THE ONLY CONGRESSIONAL CANDIDATE THAT OBSERVED THE AUDIT.

I WAS ON THE FLOOR AND SAW FIRSTHAND WHAT HAPPENED.

I SAW AND WAS A PART OF THE AFFIDAVITS THAT WERE PUT ON BRNOVICH'S DESK.

RHG HAS NOT SHOWN UP AND WHAT HE HAS SUPPOSED TO DO.

A LOT OF EVIDENCE HE HAS NOT LOOKED AT AND ONE OF THOSE IS THAT THE 300 DEAD PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY VOTED, HE SAID THAT ONLY ONE THAT HE FOUND WAS DEAD AND THE 299 WAS SURPRISED THEY WERE DEAD.

WE SENT THEM DEATH CERTIFICATES.

THERE'S NOW IN THE AUDIT OF AUGUST 2nd -- >> Ted: RIGHT.

>> -- WE'VE HAD THE 400 MORE AND 700 DEAD VOTERS VOTED.

>> Ted: WHY DO YOU THINK THE ATTORNEY GENERAL CAN'T FIND THE EVIDENCE TO CONTINUE WITH THE EFFORT?

WHY DO YOU THINK THE COURT CASES AROUND THE COUNTRY AND IN ARIZONA DO NOT -- NO ONE HAS FOUND THE EVIDENCE AND WHY IS THAT?

>> WE HAVE SOMETHING CALLED STANDING WHICH MEANS YOU HAVE TO HAVE HARM THAT TAKES PLACE FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL.

THE PROBLEM IS THAT THEY'RE CLAIMING THAT THERE'S NO HARM TO A PERSON.

BUT SILENCING THE FIRST AMENDMENT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.

>> Ted: STANDING APPLIES TO THOSE WHO BRINGS THE SUIT.

YOU CAN FIND STANDING IN A VARIETY OF WAYS.

AGAIN, NO ONE IS FINDING A REASON TO MOVE THESE THINGS THROUGH COURT, ESPECIALLY WIDE-SPREAD FRAUD.

I KEEP ASKING, WHY IS THAT THE CASE?

>> WELL, AGAIN, SO HERE IS MORE EVIDENCE THAT WE PRESENTED.

WE HAVE 842 CONVICTED SEX OFFENDERS THAT REGISTERED TO VOTE AND VOTED IN OUR PRIMARY.

THAT'S A PROBLEM.

NOW WHEN WE ACTUALLY CANVASSED THOSE, MOST OF THEM CAME TO US AND SAID, WE HAD NO IDEA.

I DIDN'T REGISTER TO VOTE.

>> Ted: HAVE YOU SUBMITTED THAT TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL?

>> WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT AS I SPEAK.

>> Ted: WERE YOU AT THE U.S. CAPITOL ON JANUARY 6th?

>> I WAS.

>> Ted: WHY?

>> TO PEACEFULLY PROTEST AND LET MY VOICE BE HEARD AND COME OUT AND SAID THE VIOLENCE THAT TOOK PLACE THERE WAS -- I DON'T CONDONE THAT AT ALL.

IN FACT, I'M INSTRUMENTAL IN CONVICTING A BLACK LIVE'SAFIFA PERSON AND SERVING AND HE HAS TO PAY BACK $329 RESTITUTION.

>> Ted: WHAT ABOUT THE U.S. CAPITOL?

>> THAT IS THE ONE THAT I HELD.

>> Ted: TO TRUMP SUPPORTERS?

>> I DIDN'T HAVE EVIDENCE OF THAT BECAUSE NONE OF THAT THAT I PERSONALLY SAW DID ANYTHING.

>> Ted: LAST QUESTION, DID YOU SPEAK FOR A JUSTICE FOR JANUARY 6th RALLY?

>> I DID, IN WASHINGTON, D.C. >> Ted: JUSTICE FOR WHOM?

>> JUSTICE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN UNFAIRLY INCARCERATED, UNFAIRLY CHARGED BECAUSE THEY HAD CHARGES.

I'LL EVEN TELL YOU THIS, MY SON RIGHT NOW IS FACING 22 YEARS IN FEDERAL PENITENTIARY IF HE IS CONVICTED.

>> Ted: FOR ACTIONS ON JANUARY 6th.

>> HE WAS WITH ME 100% OF THE TIME.

HE WAS WITH ME 100% OF THE TIME AND HE WAS ALSO INSTRUMENTAL IN PROVIDING ALL OF THE EVIDENCE TO HELP WITH THE PERSON THAT WAS BREAKING THE WINDOWS AND GETTING HIM SENTENCED.

>> Ted: I GUARANTEE THIS IS THE LAST QUESTION.

DO YOU THINK THE VOTERS IN CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT 3 WANT TO BE REPRESENTED ANYWHERE NEAR THE CAPITOL ON JANUARY 6th?

>> THEY WANT SOMEBODY THAT WILL REPRESENT THEM AND THE THINGS THINGS I REPRESENT IS THAT WE NEED TO CURVE INFLATION AND HAVE SECURITY.

WE HAVE POLICE THAT ARE, 3800 POLICE OFFICERS SHORT IN PHOENIX, ARIZONA.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR STREETS ARE SAFE AND OUR CHILDREN ARE SAFE AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT EDUCATION, THAT WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM, THEY'RE TEACHING REACHING, WRITING AND ARITHMETIC.

>> Ted: THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND SPEAKING WITH US.

>> ANY TIME.

>> Ted: NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON, WE'LL HEAR FROM PROPOSITION 211, INCREASED DISCLOSURE OF POLITICAL CAMPAIGN DONATIONS.

>> PROPOSITION 211 KNOWN AS THE VOTER'S RIGHT-TO-KNOW ACT CALLS FOR CAMPAIGN DONATIONS TO BE MADE PUBLIC AND JOINING US KNOW IS ATTORNEY GENERAL TERRY GODDARD WHO LEADING EFFORT TO PASS PROP 211 AND A NUMBER OF OH OPPONENTS DECLINED TO DEBATE.

>> THIS CALLS FOR TRANSPARENCY AND ELECTIONEERING.

IF YOU BUY A TELEVISION AD OR ANY KIND OF PAID ADVERTISING, PROMOTING OR OPPOSING A CANDIDATE, IF THIS ACT IS PASSED, PROP 211 IS PASSED, YOU SAY WHO THE SOURCE OF THAT MONEY WAS.

RIGHT NOW, ARIZONA PROVIDES LEGAL PROTECTION FOR BIG CONTRIBUTORS AND CORPORATIONS WHO WANT TO HIDE.

AND THEREFORE, THEY PUT SOME FUNNY BALONEY NAMED, AMERICANS FOR PEANUT BUTTER, FOR EXAMPLE.

I MAKE THAT UP, BUT IT'S A NAME THAT APPEARS IN THE DISCLOSURE THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ACTUALLY PROMOTING OR PAYING FOR THE AD.

VOTERS NEED TO KNOW WHO IS BEHIND AN AD TO EVALUATE IT AND DECIDE IN A CLEAR WAY WHETHER THEY WANT TO BELIEVE IT OR NOT.

>> Ted: THIS IS $50,000 ON STATE-WIDE ELECTIONS?

>> THERE'S A THRESHOLD AND WE WEREN'T INTERESTED IN SMALL CAMPAIGNS OR LOCAL CAMPAIGNS.

BUT THE BIG ONES, THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT HAVE BEEN MOVED IN STATEWIDE AND LOCAL CAMPAIGNS, NEED TO DISCLOSE WHERE THE MONEY COMES FROM.

RIGHT NOW, THEY DO NOT.

>> Ted: WHY IS THIS NECESSARY?

>> VOTERS ARE IN THE DARK AND THEY KNOW IT.

AND SEEING ADVERTISEMENTS THAT HAVE, AS I SAID, SOME SILLY NAME AT THE BOTTOM OF THE DISCLOSURE OR SECRETARY OF STATE'S DISCLOSURE AFTER THE ADS HAVE BEEN PLACED THAT TELL THEM NOTHING ABOUT THE LEGISLATION.

THE REAL SPONSORS ARE HIDDEN BEHIND THE LEGAL SHIELDS AND CALLED DARK MONEY BECAUSE WE CAN'T SEE IT.

A COUPLE OTHER REASONS, TOO, I THINK ARE IMPORTANT.

ONE, YOU AND I IF WE WANT TO CONTRIBUTE TO A POLITICAL CAMPAIGN, OVER $50, WE HAVE TO FULLY DISCLOSE OUR NAME, HOME ADDRESS AND EMPLOYER.

THESE TAKE FEW CORPORATIONS AND RICH PEOPLE AND DO NOT APPLY THE SAME RULES TO THEM.

>> Ted: LET'S TALK ABOUT THOSE CONCERNED AND OPPOSED TO THIS.

>> I WISH THEY HAD SHOWN UP.

>> Ted: I DO, TOO.

>> I LOVE TO TALK TO PEOPLE WHO WANT TO KEEP THE BALL HIDDEN.

>> Ted: A LOT OF US GOING AROUND THESE DAYS.

SOME SAY IT'S UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND HOW DO YOU RESPOND?

>> THE TERMS OF FORMER JUSTICE A ANTHONY SCALIA, AND HE BELIEVED IN PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY AND BELIEVED IF YOU INVOLVE YOURSELF IN A POLITICAL DEBATE, BUYING ADVERTISING, YOU NEED TO TELL WHO YOU ARE.

THAT WAS SOMETHING HE WAS FORTHRIGHT ABOUT AND WHO JUSTICES HAVE BEEN, AS WELL.

THE CONSTITUTIONAL INTERPRETATION IS WELL.

POLITICAL CONTRIBUTIONS CAN LIGHT BE DISCLOSED JUST AREN'T IN ARIZONA.

>> Ted: THE CRITICS AND PROPONENTS SAY ONCE YOU LET PEOPLE KNOW WHO YOU ARE, HERE COMES THE BULLIES AND HARASSMENT.

DO THEY HAVE A POINT?

>> ACTUALLY, THEY DON'T BECAUSE 99% OF PEOPLE IN ARIZONA AND ANYONE WHO GIVES A POLITICAL CONTRIBUTION HAS TO DISCLOSE TODAY AND FOR YEARS AND THAT'S BEEN THE LAW WE LIVE BY.

I DON'T HEAR ANY STORIES ABOUT INTIMIDATION OR ANY OTHER KIND OF THE HORRIBLES THEY SAY WOULD HAPPEN.

TO THE FEW VERY INDIVIDUALS THAT THEY WANT TO HIDE BEHIND DARK MONEY SHIELDS.

LET APPLY THE SAME TO EVERYBODY WHO IS INVOLVED IN THE POLITICAL ARENA AND MAKE SURE THAT VOTERS KNOW WHO IT IS THAT'S TRYING TO MOVE THEM ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

THAT'S THE LEAST WE CAN ASK.

>> Ted: ARE YOU SAYING IT WOULD NOT NECESSARILY SCARE PEOPLE OFF FROM DONATIONS?

>> THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN ARIZONA CONTRIBUTE EVERY DAY AND THEY ARE FULLY DISCLOSED, EVEN TO THEIR HOME ADDRESS AND I THINK THAT GOES FAR, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT THE DISCLOSURE IS THE RULE IN THIS STATE, EXCEPT FOR THE FEW PEOPLE WHO ARE DARK MONEY OPERATIVES THAT HAVE A SPECIAL EXEMPTION.

I DON'T BUY THAT.

>> Ted: IN READING THIS, I CAME ACROSS THIS AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG THERE, ARE THERE CAR VOUTS FOR MEDIA, BIG LABOR, THIS SORT OF THING?

>> IT'S NEWS REPORTING AND THINK THE PEOPLE WHO SUBSCRIBE TO A NEWSPAPER SHOULD BE CONSIDERED DONORS FOR THE PURPOSE OF POLITICAL ADVERTISINGS.

ADVERTISING.

IT'S ONE OF THE CRITICAL ITEMING AND IN WRITTENITEMS.WE DON'T REQUIRE SUBSCRIBERS TO A NEWSPAPER TO BE CONSIDERED DONORS AND IT'S ABSORB.

>> Ted: LABOR UNIONS AND BIG TECH.

>> NOT FOR AN EXEMPTION.

>> ANY DUE'S ORGANIZATION, A CHAMBER OF COMMERCE OR LABOR UNION, ARE CONSIDERED THE ORIGINAL SOURCE.

IF YOU TAKE OR PROPOSITION LITERALLY, YOU WOULD SAY THE ORIGINAL CONTRIBUTORS, IN OTHER WORDS, THE DUE'S PAYER IS THE ORIGINAL PAYER.

IN AN ORGANIZATION, WE FELT IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO HAVE THE ORGANIZATION PUT THEIR NAME ON THE AD.

>> Ted: SO IF I GIVE $50,000, AND IN A WONDERFUL WORLD, BUT IF I WERE TO DO THAT WOULD, LET SAY, A LABOR UNION OR BIG TECH COMPANY, AM I NOT THE ORIGINAL SOURCE?

ARE THEY NOT SHIELDING THAT MONEY?

>> NO, IF YOU'RE THE ORIGINAL ORSSOURCE, YOU'LL BE DISCLOSED.

>> Ted: EVEN IF IT GOES THROUGH LABOR UNION OR BIG TECH?

>> IF IT'S UNDER $5,000 AND DUE'S MONEY, THE LABOR UNION OR THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE OR THE DUE'S RECEIVING ORGANIZATION IS CONSIDERED THE INDIVIDUAL THAT NEEDS TO BE DISCLOSED AND THEY WOULD GO -- I MEAN, THE CLAIM YOU'RE MAKING HERE AND I'VE READ IT BEFORE SAYS THAT WE CARVE OUT LABOR UNIONS.

NO, WE BASICALLY FOCUS ON THEM AND SAY, IF A LABOR UNION MEMBERS IS PUTTING MONEY THAT ENDS UP IN A POLITICAL AD, THAT LABOR UNION NEEDS TO BE ON THE DISCLOSURE.

>> Ted: THIS IS THE FOURTH TIME YOU'VE TRIED ON THIS?

>> I'M PERSISTENT.

WE STARTED IN 2014 AND WE HAD A PROPOSITION IN 2016.

WE TRIED AGAIN IN 2018.

IN 2020, AS YOU KNOW, COVID CAME AND STOPPED US AND WE WERE ABOUT TO GET ON THE BALLOT AND SO NOW IN 2020, WE'RE ON THE BALLOT.

>> Ted: SO WAS IT JUST SERENDIPITY THIS YEAR FOR YOU?

>> IT WAS HARD WORK AND A LOT OF VOLUNTEERS WHO STUCK WITH US.

BECAUSE BELIEVE ME, AFTER FOUR PREVIOUS TRIES, THEY WERE ENTITLED TO SAY, WE'VE HAD ENOUGH OF THIS AND WE'LL TRY SOMETHING ELSE.

BUT THEY DID A WONDERFUL JOB AND THAT WAS THE RESULT, THROUGH THE COURT CHALLENGES WITH FLYING COLORS.

>> Ted: QUICKLY BECAUSE WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF TIME.

FOR THOSE NOT TO BE BULLIED OR SHAMED, I DON'T WANT MY CONTRIBUTION TO BE A MARK AGAINST ME, YOU SAY IN.

>> YOU SAY THAT IS ESSENTIALLY A NONENTITY ARGUMENT BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN THE RULE IN ARIZONA.

IF YOU ARE RULED AND BELIEVE YOU COULD BE PHYSICALLY HARMED OR YOUR FAMILY COULD BE, YOU COULD APPLY FOR AN EXEMPTION.

>> Ted: TERRY GODDARD, GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE.

>> PLEASE VOTE YES.

>> Ted: THANK YOU, SIR.

THAT IS IT FOR NOW AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING.