>> Ted: NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON, SUPERINTENDENT OF PUBLIC INSTRUCTION, TESTIMONY HOMEOWNER, TOM HORNEJOINS US AND SCOTTSDALE NEW SHORT-TERM WATER AGREEMENT WITH THE RIO VERDE FOOTHILLS.

>> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

I'M TED SIMONS.

THE FEDERAL FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION APPROVED AN UPDATED COVID VACCINE AND THE NEW SHOTS FROM MODERNA AND PFIZER WILL REPLACE CURRENT VACCINES THAT PROTECT AGAINST THE ORIGINAL VIRUS AND OLDER OMICRON.

THE CDC IS EXPECTED TO SIGN OFF WITH VACCINATIONS TO BEGIN LATER THIS WEEK.

THEY'RE NOT AT THE LATE SUMMER LEVELS OF PREVIOUS YEARS.

>>> ARIZONA SENATE PRESIDENT, WARREN PETERSEN, IS OPPOSING WHAT HE CALLS AN UNCONSTITUTIONAL LAND GRAB BY THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION.

AT ISSUE IS LAST MONTH'S DESIGNATION OF AREAS AROUND THE GRAND CANYON AND HE CALLED THIS, QUOTE, COMPLETELY DISINGENUOUS FULFILLING THE TYRANNIC DESIRES TO BLOCK MINING AND AGRICULTURE.

THE MOVE BY PETERSEN IS GIVING THE GO-AHEAD TO FILE A LAWSUIT AGAINST THE ADMINISTRATION.

>>> REPORTS OF REPORT BLAKE MASTERS WANTS TO MAKE ANOTHER RUN FOR THE U.S. SENATE MAYBE PREMATURE AND THE "NEW YORK TIMES" REPORTS MASTERS IS RE-CONSIDERING AFTER FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP CALLED HIM AND DIDN'T HE HE COULD BEAT KARI LAKE.

TRUMP CRITICIZED MASTERS FOR NOT PROMOTING ELECTION FRAUD CLAIMS, SOMETHING LAKE HAS DONE AND FOR WHICH SHE WOULD GARNER TRUMP'S SUPPORT.

>>> AND PRESIDENT BIDEN CLOSED OUT HIS MIX TO VIETNAM TO SENATOR JOHN McCAIN IN HANOI WHERE HE WHAT PARACHUTING FROM THE PLANE BREAKING BOTH ARMS AND A LEG AND BEATEN AND TO BE A PRISON OF WAR.

BIDEN SAID, COMPONENT, QUOTE, I MISS HIM, HE WAS A FRIEND.

McCAIN DIED OF CANCER IN 2018.

>>> TOM HORNE IS AT ODDS WITH KRIS MAYES WITH USING DUAL LANGUAGE PROGRAMS IN ARIZONA SCHOOLS, SOMETHING H ORNE MAINTAINS IS CONSTITUTIONAL.

JOINING US IS TOM HORNE.

LET'S GET STARTED WITH THIS LAWSUIT, WHY?

>> WE'RE NOT ONLY AT ODDS, BUT I'VE SUED THEM.

IN 2000, GOT 63% OF THE VOTES AND IT'S A ROTOR VOTER PROTECTED INITIATIVE AND ENGLISH ENGLISH LEARNERS WILL BE TAUGHT IN ENGLISH.

THEY WANT A DUAL LANGUAGE.

THEY NEED TO ACT LAWFULLY AND NOT DOING THAT'S A DIRECT CONTRADICTION.

>> Ted: REPUBLICAN LEGISLATION AND REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR PASSED AND THE GOVERNOR SIGNED A BILL AND A NEW LAW THAT OFFERS ALTERNATIVES AND ONE OF THE ALTERNATIVES IS DUAL LANGUAGE.

DID THE LEGISLATURE AND GOVERNOR, DID THEY DO SOMETHING THAT'S AGAINST THE LAW?

>> IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT DUAL LANGUAGE.

>> IT SAYS ALTERNATIVES, KNOW?

>> A LOT THAT DON'T VIOLATE THE INITIATIVE AND DUAL LANGUAGE DOES VIOLATE THE INITIATIVE.

IN FACT, THE STATE BOARD -- WHEN WE SAY THE STATE BOARD PASSED, MY PREDECESSOR, KATHY HOFFMAN SENT THE MODELS AND THEY PASSED IT ON THE EXCEPTION AGENDA SO IT WAS NEVER DISCUSSED BY THE STATE BORED.

BUT THREE OF THOSE MODELS DO NOT VIOLATE THAT INITIATIVE AND THE DUAL MODEL THAT VIOLATED AND THAT WAS NOT IN THE LEGISLATION.

>> Ted: THE LEGISLATION ALLOWED FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO HAPPEN, DID IT NOT IN.

>> IT ALLOWED FOR MODELS AND THREE THAT WERE FINE BUT NOT VIOLATING THE INITIAL INITIATIVE.

>> Ted: THE BOARD OF EDUCATION AT THE TIME, DID THEY NOT APPROVE THIS?

>> THEY APPROVED IT.

JUST AS A SIDELINE, THEY NEVER DISCUSSED IT AND PASSED ON A CONSENTED AGENDA AND NONCONTROVERSIAL.

>> Ted: WHY NOT LET PARENTS CHOOSE DUAL LANGUAGE IF THAT'S THEIR CHOICE.

>> YOU HAVE TO STICK WITH WHAT'S LEGAL.

THE GOVERNOR IS CHARGED BY THE CONSTITUTION THAT THE LAWS ARE FAITHFULLY EXECUTED AND THAT'S A VIOLATION OF HER DUTY TO PROMOTE SOMETHING A CLEARLY A VIOLATION OF LAW.

THE SECOND THING IS, THE DATA -- YOU KNOW, I WATCH WITH GREAT INTEREST THE ROUNDTABLE YOU HAD, AS I DO ALL OF YOUR PROGRAMS.

THE THING THEY MISSED IS THE DATA.

WHEN I TOOK OFFICE IN 2003, THE INITIATIVE HAD BEEN PASSED IN 2000 AND IT HAD NOT BEEN ENFORCED MY MY PREDECESSORS AND UNDER BILINGUAL, IT'S 4% WHICH IS RIDICULOUSLY LOW AND NO ONE WOULD BECOME PROFICIENT IN ENGLISH AND THESE STUDENTS WOULD FAIL IN THE WHICH BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T KNOW ENGLISH.

I INSTITUTED STRUCTURED ENGLISH IMMERSION AND WE GOT TO 31% AND AFTER 31%, EVERYONE IS PROFICIENT IN ENGLISH.

>> Ted: RECENT TESTS SHOW 9% ARE PROFICIENT.

WHAT HAPPENED?

>> WE HAD INTENSIVE TRAINING OF THE TEACHERS AND GOT IT UP TO 31%.

IN THE INTERIM, THEY WEREN'T TRAINING THE TEACHERS AND MUCH HIGHER THAN THE DUAL LANGUAGE AND I HAVE DATA WITH ME SHOWING THAT -- IF YOU'RE COMPLIANT, YOU KNOW THE SCHOOL DISTRICT I SUED HAD 5.1% AND FIVE DISTRICTS THAT WERE ANYWHERE FROM 28% TO 32%.

AND LET ME JUST ADD THIS ONE THING.

IF YOU TAKE THE TOP FIVE DISTRICTS WITH ENGLISH LANGUAGE LEARNERS IN DUAL LANGUAGE EAR AND THE TOP IN STRUCTURED ENGLISH IMMERSION, THE TOP THREE ARE HIGHER WITH STRUCTURED ENGLISH.

>> Ted: WHY NOT ALLOW FOR FLEXIBILITY?

WE HEAR PEEPING SAYING IT DOES WORK.

>> YOU DON'T.

YOU HAVE SUBJECTIVE STATEMENTS.

I LOVE DUAL LANGUAGES AND THE GOVERNOR WENT AND LOVE WHAT SHE SAW BUT NO DATA SHOWING THAT.

NOT THE DATATHE STRUCTURED ENGLISH IMMERSION PROGRAMS IN EVERY CATEGORY ARE IN EXCESS OF THE DUAL LANGUAGE BY 3-1.

>> Ted: IF IT'S SO STRONG, WHY ARE YOU SLOWING THAT ON THE TESTS?

>> IT WAS MADE MUCH TOO TESTS WHERE STUDENTS WERE IN THERE FOR FIVE YEARS AND THEY COULDN'T PASS THE WRITING TEST.

THE WRITING TEST WAS THE SAME AS THE REGULAR PEOPLE.

MY CRITICS SAY THEY AGREED WITH ME AND QUESTIONED MY MOTIVES AND THAT'S LOW INTELLECT WHEN YOU CAN'T ARGUE BUT AGREE.

IT'S RIDICULOUS TO KEEP SOMEONE IN THERE FOR FIVE YEARS.

>> Ted: LAST QUESTION ON THIS, IF YOU LOWER THE STANDARDS, WHAT GOOD ARE THE TESTS?

IF 9% ARE ENGLISH AND PROFICIENT AND YOU LOWER IT TO 13%, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

>> WELL, WHAT PROFICIENCY MEANS IS THAT THE STUDENT CAN SUCCEED IN THE REGULAR CLASSROOM.

THAT'S THE ONLY GOAL AND DOESN'T TAKE FIVE YEARS TO DO THAT.

YOU CAN DO THAT IN A YEAR OR TWO IF YOU DON'T HAVE UNREASONABLE WRITING REQUIREMENT, WHICH THEY CAN LEARN IN THE REGULAR CLASSROOM.

ONE OTHER THING, A STUDY DONE IN A MAGAZINE SPONSORED BY HARVARD AN STAMFORD BY DR. JOSEPH GUZMAN OF LATINO STUDIES AT MICHIGAN STATE UNIVERSITY FOUND THAT STUDENTS WERE IN STRUCTURED IMMERSION OUTPERFORMED STUDENTS IN DUAL LANGUAGE IN EVERY CATEGORY MEASURED AND IN ADDITION TO HIGH STATUS OCCUPATIONS 2-1.

>> Ted: WHY DO PEOPLE SAY DUAL LANGUAGE WORKS WHEN YOU HAVE ALL OF THIS RESEARCH SAYING IT DOESN'T?

>> IT'S IDEOLOGY.

>> Ted: THEY CARE ABOUT IDEOLOGIST MORE THAN STUDENTS?

>> THEY DO, YES.

THAT'S A SHOCK.

TED >> Ted: I FIND THAT DIFFICULT TO BELIEVE TEACHERS WOULD BELIEVE THAT.

>> WHEN YOU SAY TEACHERS, IT'S A SMALL NUMBER, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DATA, THERE'S NO OTHER CONCLUSION YOU CAN DRAW, BUT THAT IDEA OLOLOGY IS PREVAILING OVER THE INTERESTS OF THE STUDENTS AND I DON'T WANT THEM GOING INTO THE WORLD NOT KNOWING ENGLISH.

>> Ted: THREATENING THE SCHOOLS BY WITHHOLDING FUNDS.

IS THAT SHOWING COM COMPASSION?

>> THE DISTRICTS HAVE TO COMPORT WITH THE LAW.

HOW IS IT CONTROVERSIAL THAT STUDENTS COMPORT WITH THE LAW TED.

>> Ted: I'M ASKING BY DOING WHAT'S RIGHT BY THE KIDS AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SAYS YOU HAVE NO AUTHORITY TO DO THAT.

>> THE LAWSUIT THAT YOU HAVE, I'VE SUED HER -- NOTHING NEW IN HER STATEMENT THAT IF I WANT TO WITHHOLD FUNDS, I PROPOSE THE STATE BOARD AND THE STATE BOARD MAKES THE DECISION.

WHAT SHE SAID, WHICH WAS FALSE, WAS THAT DISTRICTS RELY ON THE MODEL AND NOBODY CAN RELY ON SOMETHING THAT IS CONTRARY TO A VOTER-APPROVED INITIATIVE.

>> Ted: THE UNSPENT AID FOR PRIVATE SCHOOLS, YOU AND THE GOVERNOR ARE LOCKING HORNS ON THIS AND SHE SAID THE MONEY IS THERE AND GET SPENT OR CLAWED BYE-BYEBACK BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

YOU'RE MAKING IT DIFFICULT AND THREATENING TO LOSE ALL OF THIS MONEY.

DOES SHE HAVE A POINT?

>> NO.

EVERY WORLD IN THAT STATE STATEMENT IS A LIE, INCLUDING THE END.

WE PROPOSED BACK IN JUNE A PROPOSAL THAT WOULD HAVE GIVEN HER CONTROL OVER THE $22 MILLION SHE'S TALKING ABOUT BUT SHE TAINTRETAIN OURSELVES AS THE FISCAL AGENT.

SHE WANTED TO MAKE HERSELF THE FISCAL AGENT AND MAKE THE DECISIONS ABOUT THE 22 MILLION AND A SILLY ARGUMENT.

IF SHE CAN GET SOMETHING SAYING HER PROPOSAL IS OK, WE'LL DO IT OR DO IT AND SHE'S MAKES THE DECISION WHERE THE MONEY GOES.

YOU KNOW, IT'S A TECHNICAL DISPUTE THAT THE STAFFS COULD HAVE RESOLVED AND NO REASON TO ATTACK ME PERSONALLY.

>> Ted: WHY ISN'T THE MONEY BEEN SPENT?

IF IT'S THREATENING TO GO AWAY?

>> 22 MILLION THEY CAN USE FOR THINGS OTHER THAN THIS PARTICULAR PROGRAM AND EVERYTHING ELSE HAS BEEN TAKEN CARE OF.

WE SAID IF YOU WANT TO CONTROL OVER THE $22 MILLION, YOU CAN HAVE IT BUT DO IT IN A WAY THAT'S LEGAL UNDER FEDERAL LAW.

>> Ted: IS IT WORK LOCKING HORNS MEAN WHENEVER THE DEADLINE IS, YOU LOSE THE MONEY AND GOES BACK TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT?

>> LOCKING HORNS, SO TO SPEAK.

I CONAGREECOULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORE.

WE'VE GIVEN HER TWO PROPOSALS AND IF SHE ACCEPTED THE PROPOSAL IN JUNE, SHE WOULD HAVE THE MONEY RIGHT NOW.

ONE PROPOSAL WAS FOLLOW THE LAW AND WE'LL BE THE FISCAL AGENT AND YOU CAN MAKE THE DECISIONS.

THE OTHER PROPOSAL WAS, GIVE US SOMETHING FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT SAYS THEY'LL MAKE AN EXCEPTION TO THEIR GUIDANCE AND WE'LL DO IT YOUR WAY.

EITHER WAY, SHE WOULD HAVE HAD CONTROL OVER THE $22 MILLION.

THERE WAS NO REASON FOR HER TO MAKE A PERSONAL ATTACK ON THIS.

>> Ted: DO YOU THINK SHE'S MAKING A PERSONAL ATTACK ON TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF FEDERAL FUNDING?

>> THERE'S NO REASON TO MAKE A PERSONAL ATTACK BECAUSE THERE WERE TWO DIFFICULT WAYS TO ACCOMPLISH IT AND ONE WAS IN CONFORMITY WITH FEDERAL AND NOW AND THE OTHER ONE WAS IF SHE WANTS TO BE THE FISCAL AGENT, SHOW US THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WILL MAKE THIS TO GUIDANCE.

IT WAS STUPID TO MAKE AN ATTACK ON ME.

>> Ted: SPEAKING OF CLAWING BACK FUNDS, YOU WANT TO CLAW BACK THE FEDERAL FUNDING BY YOUR PREDECESSOR, HOFFMAN, AND $40 MILLION, TO PAY FOR TUTORING FOR MATH AND SCIENCE.

IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE TARGETING PROGRAMS YOUR PREDECESSOR HAD AND LACK OF A BETTER PHRASE, EMOTIONAL, SOCIAL AND THESE THINGS.

YOU CAMPAIGNED AGAINST THAT AND IT SHOULD BE NOT SURPRISING.

IS IT BEST FOR THE STUDENTS TO DO THIS?

>> YES, BECAUSE, TED, I HAVE ONE OBJECTION, WE RAISE THE ACADEMIC PERFORMANCE OF THE STUDENTS.

IF THEY WERE DOING SOMETHING ELSE UNDER A PRIOR SUPERINTENDENT, THEY KNOW TO CHANGE THAT.

ON TOP OF THAT, THE LAW FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SAYS THESE ARE FUNDS TO BE USED TO MAKE UP FOR LEARNING LOSS DURING COVID.

YOU CAN'T USE THEM FOR SOCIAL AND EMOTIONAL LEARNING BUT YOU HAVE TO USE THEM IN A WAY -- ALTHOUGH -- IF THE SOCIAL, EMOTIONAL LEARNING IMPROVES ACADEMIC, THEN GIVE US THE DATA THAT SHOWS THAT AND YOU CAN SAVE THE MONEY.

>> Ted: WE TALKED ABOUT LOWERING TEST SCORES AND MOVING THE GOAL POSTS HERE.

I WONDER IF THIS IS THE WISE EVIDENCE THINGESTTHING TALKING ABOUT CHILDREN AND SUCCESS.

>> HERE IS WHAT WE DID, TED.

IN THE FIRST GO-AROUND, WE HAD $70 MILLION.

IF WE MADE MISTAKES, PEOPLE CAN SHOW DATA THAT THEY'RE MAKING PROGRESS AND WE'LL CHANGE OUR MIND.

SO THEY HAVE PLENTY OF MINE TO MIND.

THEY IMPROVE THE STUDENT'S ACADEMIC RESULTS WHICH IS THE REQUIREMENT OF THE GOVERNMENT.

>> Ted: IS IT A REQUIREMENT OF THE GRANTS BECAUSE IT WAS NOT A PART OF THE GRANT.

>> THE FEDERAL LAW SAYS WE HAVE TO MONITOR IT AND USED TO MAKE UP FOR LEARNING LOSS.

YOU CAN'T USE IT FOR TOUCHING, FEELING THINGS.

THAT IS WHY THE TEST SCORES ARE SO LOW NOW BECAUSE MY PREDECESSOR PUT IT ON TOUCHY AND FEELY INSTEAD OF ACADEMIES.

>> Ted: WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MONITORING AND TESTING AND YOU'RE WANTING SOMETHING SOME OF THESE GROUPS THAT SAID THIS IS NOT PART OF THE GRANT-WRITING PROCESS.

>> THEY HAVE TO BE MAKING UP FOR LEARNING LOSS AND THAT THEY ARE MAKING UP FOR LEARNING LOSS, THEY KEEP THE MONEY.

BUT IF THEY DON'T HAVE THAT, IF IT'S TOUCHY, FEELY, IN ONE CASE, THEY SAID, WELL, YOU LOOK UP THE DATA AND WE LOOKED UP THE DATA, WHEN EVERYBODY ELSE WENT UP, THEY WENT DOWN BECAUSE OF A PROGRAM CALLED "PLAY SOMETHING" AND HAD KIDS PLAY EACH OTHER AND THEY THOUGHT IT WOULD HELP THE LEARNING LAWS.

IT WENT AGAINST IT.

YOU HAVE TO TEACH ACADEMICS.

>> Ted: PEOPLE ARE SAYING A LOT OF FUSSING AND FIGHTING AND MEANWHILE, KIDS ARE NEGLECTED.

HOW DO YOU RESPOND?

>> I'M DOING EVERYTHING TO RAISE THE ACADEMIC RESULTS OF THE KIDS AND THE GOVERNOR THAT ELIMINATED A VALUABLE PROGRAM FOR SUMMER SCHOOL BECAUSE IT CAME FROM THE PREVIOUS GOVERNOR.

SHE ELIMINATED A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT EDUCATION PROGRAMS BECAUSE IT CAME FROM A DIFFERENT GOVERNOR.

SO SHE'S THE ONE HURTING THE KIDS IN THE SCHOOLS AND I'M DOING EVERYTHING I CAN TO HELP THEM AND RAISE THEIR ACADEMICS.

THAT'S MY JOB.

>> Ted: CAN YOU TWO WORK TOGETHER?

>> IN MY LETTER, I SAY, LET'S TALK TOGETHER AND WORK THESE THINGS OUT.

THERE WAS NO REASON TO MAKE A PERSONAL ATTACK ON ME OVER A TECHNICAL THING THAT COULD BE EASILY SOLVED.

>> Ted: AND YOU CALLED HER A LIAR?

>> I SAID EVERY WORD WAS A LIE INCLUDING GNN.

J NAPOLITANO, I SUPPORTEDDER INITIATIVE FOR ALL-DAY KINDERGARTEN WHICH GOT REPUBLICAN VOTES AND PASSED.

I CAN WORK WITH A DEMOCRAT GOVERNOR BUT THE DEMOCRAT GOVERNOR HAS TO BE WILLING TO WORK WITH ME.

>> Ted: TOM HORNE, THANK YOU FOR COMING IN.

>> LOVE TO COME BACK ANYTIME.

>> Ted: UP NEXT, A NEW SHORT-TERM WATER AGREEMENT FOR RESIDENTS OF RIO VERDE VERDE FOOTHILLS.

>> THE SCOTTSDALE CITY COUNCIL GAVE RESIDENTS OF RIO VERDE FOOTHILLS A RELIABLE WATER SUPPLY AND SOMETHING THEY HAVEN'T HAD SINCE THE CITY SHUT OFF SERVICE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR.

FOR MORE AND THERE IS MUCH MORE, WE WELCOME THOMAS GALVIN.

>> GOOD TO BE BACK.

>> Ted: THIS ISSUE IS -- IT SEEMS LIKE THE SMALLER THE AREA, THE MORE COMPLICATED THE ISSUE.

SHORT-TERM DEAL AND A DONE DEAL, CORRECT?

>> FOR THE MOST PART, IT'S A DONE DEAL AND VARIOUS PARTIES THAT HAD TO TAKE PART TO SIGN OFF.

THIS LEGISLATION BY GOVERNOR HOBBS IN JUNE CREATED A BOARD CALLED THE RIO VERDE FOOTHILLS STAND-PIPE DISTRICT.

THIS IS A NEW GOVERNORRAL ENTILT OF FIVE MEMBERS FROM THE RIO VERDE FOOTHILLS COMMUNITY AND TASKED WITH SIGNING THE CITY OF SCOTTSDALE AND EPCORE.

>> Ted: PROCURED BY THE DISTRICT AND IT'S A GOVERNMENT ENTITY, IS IT NOT?

>> IT IS A GOVERNMENT ENTITY AND FIVE INDIVIDUALS WHO THREE WERE APPOINTED BY GOVERNOR HOBBS AND ONE BY SENATE PRESIDENT PETERSEN AND ANOTHER BY BEN TOMA.

IT'S INCREDIBLE TO SEE THIS ENDED UP AT THE NINTH FLOOR MUCH LESS AT THE STATE CAPITOL.

AS KNOW, A YEAR AGO, I WAS ADVOCATE FOR WHAT I CONSIDERED TO BE A STREAMLINED ELEGANT SOLUTION WHERE THEY WOULD WORK WITH THE PRIVATE WATER COMPANY, AND THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

>> Ted: THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN AND I WANT TO MENTION CRITICISM FROM SCOTTSDALE BECAUSE THEY'RE SAYING THEY HAD AN ORIGINAL PLAN AND THIS IS SOMEWHAT SIMILAR TO THE ORIGINAL PLAN AND TO REASON FOR YOU GUYS, AND YOU FELLOW SUPERADVISERS TO KICK THE STAN SAND AROUND.

THIS COULD HAVE BEEN DONE.

DO THEY HAVE A POINT?

>> NO, THEY DON'T.

I WAS ABLE TO GET EPCORE TO BE THE LONG-TERM PROVIDER AND THE SHORT-TERM INTERIM QUESTION WAS RESOLVED EASILY WITHOUT ANYONE CUT OFF WITH WATER.

I SAY MYSELF AS A MEDIATOR BETWEEN THE RIO VERDE FOOTHILLS, WAS THAT THEY ENTERED A DIRECT CONTRACT WITH EPCORE.

THE CITY OF SCOTTSDALE WOULD NOT PLAY BALL AND CUT OFF WATER TO FOLKS WHICH IS AN UNFORTUNATE THING AND I THINK IT'S A STAND IN THEIR LEGACY.

THE TERMS PROPOSED WERE UNWORKABLE AND THE COUNTY HAD TO CAST ABOUT AND FIND A NEW SOLUTION.

>> Ted: WE HAVE THIS SHORT-TERM AGREEMENT AND HOW MUCH WILL THIS COST PEOPLE AT RIO VERDE FOOTHILLS?

>> IT WILL COST FOLKS QUITE A BIT.

I WAS TALKING TO FOLKS THIS WEEKEND AND GIVING ME A RATE OF TWO AND A HALF TIMES WHAT THEY WERE PAYING BACK IN DECEMBER, WHICH I THINK NONE OF THE OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES HAVE CHANGED BUT FOR POLITICS AND THIS NEWLY CREATED BUREAUCRACY.

WHAT YOU HAVE, TED, THEY LIMITED THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WILL BE ELIGIBLE AND WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT THAT ASPECT, THAT SOME PEOPLE MAY NOT GET IT IF THE NUMBER EXCEEDS THE CAP.

SECONDARILY, THEY'LL HAVE TO GET A $2 MILLION LIABILITY POLICY, WHICH IS A LOT TO ASK FOR.

>> Ted: YOU HAVE INSURANCE, THE WATER, PAY FOR THE TREATMENT AND TRANSPORT AND THERE'S A BASE FEE OF $1,000 A MONTH FOR THE COMMUNITY SHEER.

>> YEP.

>> Ted: THIS IS A SHORT-TERM AGREEMENT UNTIL 2025?

>> THAT'S THE OTHER THING, THE LONG-TERM PLAN IS PRESENTLY AT THE ARIZONA CORPORATION COMMISSION AND THE ARIZONA CORPORATION COMMISSION, THAT PROCESS TAKES AWHILE AND THEY ARE JUST ABOUT TO ISSUE THEIR FINAL RECOMMENDED OPINION AND HAVEN'T DONE SO YET.

SO THE QUESTION IS, EVERYONE HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT, WHATEVER THE CORPORATION COMMISSION DECIDES FOR THE LONG-TERM PLAN FOR EPCORE TO CONSTRUCT A NEW STANDPIPE WILL TAKE TWO TO THREE YEARS AND NOW THAT THEY HAVE IMPLEMENTED A NEW DEADLINE OF DECEMBER 31, 2025, WE MAY HEAP HERE INMIGHT BEHERE DISCUSSING THIS AGAIN.

>> Ted: SOMETHING MAY COME UP DOWN THE PIPE AND ARE WE GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THIS AGAIN IN?

>> I HOPE NOT BUT I'M NOT A FAN OF THE LEGISLATION APPROVED, BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS.

SO THESE FOLKS HAVE TO WORK BY IT.

BUT NOW IT PUTS SOME PRESSURE ON THE CORPORATION COMMISSION AND THEN EPCORE, ONCE THAT APPROVAL IS DONE, TO GET THAT CONSTRUCTED.

THAT'S FINE.

INCENTIVES ARE GOOD.

BUT ARTIFICIAL DEADLINES WILL BE POSSIBLATICPROBLEMATIC.

THIS THAT DOESN'T GET CONSTRUCTED, THEY'LL HAVE TO COME BACK.

>> Ted: ARE THEY GETTING WATER?

>> NO ONE HAS GOTTEN WATER.

>> Ted: STILL NOT GETTING WATER.

>> THE WATER IS NOT YET FLOWING.

CITY OF SCOTTSDALE, IF THEY WANT, COULD TURN ON THE TAP TOMORROW BY DECEMBER 31st AND THEY'RE NOT.

THAT'S THE KEY PROBLEM BECAUSE THE DISTRICT IS DOING EVERYTHING TO GET IT SQUARED AWAY.

>> Ted: RIO VERDE FOOTHILLS, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE AFFECTED?

>> 750 HOMES JUST ABOUT.

>> Ted: 750 HOMES, TWO THOUSAND PEOPLE AND ALL MANNER OF BUSINESS?

>> PEOPLE WHO HAVE RAMPS, YOUNG BABIES AND EDERLY PEOPLE.

>> Ted: YAY OR NAY, ARE YOU CONFIDENT SOMETHING WILL GET DONE?

>> I'M A NATURALLY OPTIMISTIC PERSON SO I WILL SAY YES.

TED >> Ted: THANKS FOR STOPPING IN.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

>> Ted: THAT'S IT FOR NOW.

I'M.

>> Ted: AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US AND YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING.