♪♪ >> Ted: NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON, IT'S THE JOURNALIST'S ROUND TABLE, WE'LL LOOK AT THE FIRST WEEK IN OFFICE FOR GOVERNOR KATIE HOBBS.

THAT'S NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON."

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>> Ted: WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

IT'S FRIDAY AND THAT MEANS IT'S TIME FOR THE JOURNALIST'S ROUND TABLE AND JOINING US TONIGHT IS MARK BRODIE AND RACHEL LEINGANG AND MARY JO PITZL.

PANEL, GOOD TO HAVE YOU AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

MASH, WE'LL START WITH YOU.

LOTS OF STUFF GOING ON THIS WEEK AS FAR AS THE INAUGURATION AND INAUGURATION -- WELL, WE HAD TWO SWEARING IN'S.

ONE WAS OFFICIAL AND ONE WAS CEREMONIAL.

>> THEY HAVE TO TAKE OFFICE WITH THE FIRST DAY AFTER AND THEY DID IT IN PRIVATE AND SOME CONSTER SOMECONSTERNATION WHY IT WAS DONE BEHIND CLOSED DOORS AND THEN THE EVENT AT THE STATE CAPITOL GETTING TO SAY A FEW WORDS TO THE ASSEMBLED CROWDS.

>> WHEN WE WERE LOOKING INTO WHY TWO SWEARING IN'S.

AND I CALLED KIMBERLY YEE AND SHE TOLD ME IN 2015, IT WAS THE SAME THING AND HAD PAPERWORK TO SIGN AND WENT DOWNSTAIRS OUT TO THE CAPITOL PLAZA AND JUST THIS YEAR, THEY WEREN'T GOING TO DO THE PUBLIC EVENT ON THE HOLIDAY.

SO IT'S NOT THAT MAKES IT CORRECT, BUT I GUESS THIS IS NOT UNPRECEDENTED TO HAVE TWO SWEARING IN'S.

>> Ted: BECAUSE THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT THE PRIVATE NATURE OF THE OFFICIAL ONE AND THE PUBLIC NATURE OF THE INAUGURATION.

LOTS OF HOO-HA AND SEND HER DOOR WILL ALWAYS BE OPEN KIND OF SORT OF.

>> I GUESS IT DEPENDS WHO'S TRYING TO COME IN THE DOOR.

IT'S DIFFERENT AND KIND OF IS MONOTONOUS AND WE'LL SEE WHO HER ALLIANCES ARE FORMED WITH.

>> Ted: MARK, SHE BASICALLY SAID, THE QUOTE WAS IF YOU'RE PUSHING TO FURTHER DEMINE OUR DEMOCRACY, THAT DOOR WON'T BE OPEN.

>> NOT SUCH A SURPRISE, FIGHTING AS THAT AGAINST THE SECRETARY OF STATE AND TO RACHEL'S POINT, IT'S SUPER INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT BILLS GET TO THE CAPITOL AND HOW MANY TIMES SHE HAS TO REINK AND HOW MANY DEALS THEY'RE ABLE TO MAKE.

>> Ted: YOU HAD TO GET THERE PRETTY EARLY.

>> ON INAUGURATION DAY?

>> YES.

>> IT WAS ORDERLY AND CONTROLLED AND A FENCE AROUND THE WHOLE CAPITOL AREA AND SECURITY WAS A CONCERN.

I WAS LOOKING BEHIND TWO WOMEN WITH PROTEST SIGNS.

BUT THEY WEREN'T COMING IN AND SAID WE'RE NOT VIP'S.

[ Laughter ] >> I DON'T THINK THEY HAD TICKETS AND SO IN TERMS OF NO OPEN PROTESTS THAT ANYBODY SAW AND THEY FILLED UP MOST OF THE CHAIRS AND NOT THE BLEACHERS, BUT IT WAS A SEA OF CHAIRS OUT THERE BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND SENATE.

>> Ted: AS FAR AS OTHER SPEECHES, ATTORNEY GENERAL GAVE A SHOUT-OUT TO 280 WHO HELPED TO, QUOTE, CLENCH MY VICTORY, INTERESTING.

>> SHE COULD THANK THEM INDIVIDUALLY IF THEY COULD FIGURE OUT WHO THEY ARE AND WHAT A CLOSE RACE AND NAIL BITER AND JUST A LENGTHY RECOUNT PROCESS.

BUT I THINK IT'S SMART OF HER TO THANK THAT LITTLE MARGIN THAT GOT HER OVER.

>> Ted: SECRETARY OF STATE VOWED TO PROSECUTE AND A LITTLE ROUGHER THERE AND ANYONE TO DISRUPT, DELAY OR DENY ELECTION RESULTS?

>> I WONDER WHO THAT WILL BE.

AT THIS POINT, THE ELECTION OF 2020 IS FORECLOSED AND PEOPLE FOCUSING ON 2022 AND PEOPLE TRYING TO INTERRUPT.

DISRUPT.

>> ADRIAN FONTES CALLED THEM TERRORISTS AND THEY WERE PRESSING HIM AND YOU CALLED THEM DOMESTIC TERRORISTS AND HE SAID, BECAUSE THEY ARE.

SO THAT'S THE KIND OF TONE YOU'LL GET AND WE WON'T PUT UP WITH THIS ANYMORE AND ALL OF THIS ELECTION DENIALISM GOING FORWARD.

>> Ted: INTERESTING, THE SPEECHES AND GOVERNOR HOBBS, YOU KNOW, LET'S OPEN THE DOOR UNLESS YOU WANT TO SUGGEST OTHERWISE.

AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, NOT NECESSARILY GOING TOO FAR IN EITHER DIRECTION AND SECRETARY OF STATE, VERY HARD HITTING.

>> THAT WAS A PART OF THE CAMPAIGN, TOO.

HE WAS GOING UP AGAINST A TRUE ELECTION DENIER IN AN OFFICE THAT DEALS WITH ELECTIONS AND STATE'S TOP ELECTION OFFICE.

IT WAS TERRIBLY SURPRISING THAT HE WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, LET'S GO AFTER THESE PEOPLE.

WHAT IT WILL BE INTERESTING IS WHAT IS THE FOLLOW THROUGH AND WHAT IS HE ABLE TO DO AND WILLING TO DO AND WHAT IS HIS WORKING WITH AND WHAT DO THEY DO?

>> Ted: ONCE THAT OFFICE CAN WORK WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE AND THEY PUT THE KIBOSH ON THAT AND IT WAS INTERESTING UNTIL THEY GOT KATIE HOBBS OUT OF OFFICE THAT SHE MIGHT BECOME GOVERNOR.

IN HOBBS' SPEECH, SHE ALSO MADE REFERENCE TO THAT SHE WON'T BROOK HUTCH MUCH FROM ELECTION DENY SPERSEIER.

>> Ted: REPUBLICAN DID AREPUBLIC DID A LOT ON THIS AND THE NUG INAUGURATION FUNDING.

THERE WERE CURE CURE CURIOSITIES THERE.

>> THERE WERE STAGES SET UP AND HOBBS WILL PAY OUT OF PRIVATE FUNDING AND OPENED UP A NONPROFIT, WHICH WE LIKE TO CALL A 501C4 OR DARK MONEY ORGANIZATION, WHICH MEANS YOU COUP HAVEDON'T HAVE TO DISCLOSE DONORS AND THAT PIQUED A LOT OF INTEREST WHICH MEANS WHO'S BUYING INFLUENCE WITH THE GOVERNOR?

AND SHE'S DEFENDING THIS AND SAVING THE STATE'S MONEY.

BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHO'S FOOTING THE BILL ON THIS.

THERE'S A LOT OF STORIES ON THE STREET.

WE DO KNOW WHO DID PAY.

I SHOULD CORRECT THAT.

THEY LISTED A LOT SPONSORS IN THE INAUGURAL PROGRAM AND WAS IT $2?

WAS IT 2 MILLION?

>> Ted: A HUNDRED SPONSORS LISTED IN THE PROGRAM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND THE CAMPAIGN PLEDGES FOR TRANSPARENCY FROM THE HOBBS' CAMPAIGN AND THIS DOESN'T SOUND HIKE THAT.

LIKE THAT.

>> IT'S NOT TRANSPARENT AND SHE COULD EASILY SAY THE AMOUNTS AND EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT REQUIRED.

NO ONE PREVENTS HER FROM SAYING WHAT THE AMOUNTS ARE.

I'VE JUST BEEN CURIOUS, HOW MUCH MONEY DID COME IN AND HOW MUCH ARE WE TALKING?

SHE'S DOING AN INAUGURAL BALL IN A COUPLE OF CYCLES HERE.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE PREVIOUS ONE.

BUT THIS IS A VERY KEY WAY THAT THESE COMPANIES ARE NOT OUT OF THE GOODNESS OF THEIR HEARTS HELPING SOMEONE.

THEY'RE TRYING TO GET THEIR NAME ON SOMETHING WITH THE GOVERNOR AND GET TIME WITH HER.

AND I THINK WE SHOULD KNOW WHO THOSE PEOPLE ARE AND WHAT THEY'RE SPENDING.

>> Ted: THIS INAUGURATION FUND, HOW IS THIS DIFFERENT THAN A DARK MONEY GROUP?

>> I READ THIS IN THE REPUBLIC'S REPORTING.

A LOT OF GROUPS GAVE MONEY TO THE INAUGURATION THAT WEREN'T MAYBE ON KATIE HOBBS' SIDE IN THE ELECTION SAYING LOOK, SORRY, LET'S TRY TO START OVER AND GET YOUR ADMINISTRATION OFF ON A GOOD FOOT.

>> THAT MIGHT BE PART OF THE REASON THEY DON'T WANT THEIR NAMES KNOWN AND THEY'VE MADE THAT KNOWN TO THE GOVERNOR.

AND SO YOU CAN SURMISE, PERHAPS, SHE'S RUNNING COVER FOR THEM.

>> Ted: APS WAS AMONG THOSE AND THOSE ARE THE REPORTS OUT THERE AND THIS FOLLOWS A PRIVATE SWEARING-IN CEREMONY.

ROCKY START OR JUST A COUPLE OF RUMBLES IN THE ROAD?

>> IT'S NOT THE BEST FOOTING TO STEP OUT ON AND WE WILL SEE IF SHE PROCEEDS INTO THE SECOND WEEK OF HER ADMINISTRATION AND WHAT INFORMATION WE WILL GET ABOUT HER APPOINTEES AND MORE IMPORTANTLY AS SHE LAYS OUT HER AGENDA AND NOT A GOOD LOOK.

>> Ted: SPEAKS OF APPOINTEES AND AGENDA, YOU'VE DONE AN EXHAUSTIVE LIST OF EVERYONE IN THE ADMINISTRATION CABINET, AGENCY HEADS AND THESE SORTS OF THINGS AND WHAT DO WE TAKE FROM THAT?

>> IT'S GOING TO BE HARDER FOR THEM TO BE CONFIRMED.

THIS IS JUST SOMETHING WE'LL ALL HAVE TO -- YOU'VE NOT HEARD ABOUT A CONFIRMATION HEARING IN THE PAST EIGHT YEARS AND NOW YOU'RE GOING TO.

THERE ARE SOME THAT WILL RUN INTO THE TROUBLE, DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH SERVICES AND SOME RUMBLINGS ABOUT THAT ONE AND SHE WAS THE HEALTH DIRECTOR OF PIMA COUNTY AND WE HAVE A LOT OF ANTI-VAX LAWMAKERS AND THEY MAY NOT LIKE THAT.

THE APPOINTMENTS SO FAR, I THINK, HAVE NOT BEEN RADICAL.

THEY SEEM MODERATE TO ME.

FOR SOME OF THEM, THEY SEEM REALLY ALIGNED WITH WHO KATIE HOBBS IS, WHERE HER PRIORITIES ARE.

SHE TAPPED PEOPLE FROM THE SOCIAL SERVICE'S WORLD AND NON-PROFITS AND PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN AT THE TABLE FOR THESE CONVERSATIONS.

BUT NOT A LOT OF THEM HAD HUGE AGENCY EXPERIENCE AND I THINK THAT MIGHT BE WHERE WE SEE SOME STUMBLES.

IT IS DIFFICULT TO RUN AN EMPLOYMENT AGENCY OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE VERSUS A SMALL NONPROFIT.

THOSE ARE THE THINGS TO KEEP AN EYE ON.

>> Ted: HOW MANY DUCEY HOLDOVERS AND DIDN'T SOUND LIKE ALL THAT MANY.

>> THE PARK'S PERSON IS STAYING ON AND GAME AND FISH.

>> Ted: CORRECTION, AS WELL?

>> COMMERCE AUTHORITY IS THE SAME.

>> Ted: THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING.

>> THERE ARE A FEW, NOT TERRIBLY SHOCKING.

>> BOSHOFSKY AND MAYBE A SENSE OF LENSE STICK WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING AND KEEP THE CONTINUITY IN TERMS OF THE POINT PERSON.

>> WARREN PETERSON LIKELY ELECTED SAID IN A LUNCHEON ON THE CONFIRMATION QUESTION THAT AS LONG THEY'RE NOT FAR OUT LEFTIES, WE SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM.

WE'LL SEE WHO THE SENATE FITS THAT CATEGORY.

>> Ted: WARREN PETERSON.

>> THERE WILL BE ISSUES.

IT WON'T BE EVERYONE.

A LOT ARE PROBABLY GOING TO BE PRETTY PER FUNK PER FUNK TORE.

>> Ted: STATE OF THE STATE PREVIEW AND LET DUE THAT BECAUSE THE STATE OF THE STATE STARTS NEXT WEEK AND THIS WILL BE A MUCH MORE ENTAILED CONVERSATION THAN WE HEARD OR SPEECH THAN WE HEARD FOR THE INAUGURATION, ABOUT 45 MINUTES, THINK, IS WHAT THEY ARE EXPECTING.

AND WHAT ELSE ARE WE EXPECT.

>> ING?

>> IN BROAD TERMS LAY OUT POLICIES AND WE'LL GET MORE DETAILS NEXT FRIDAY WHEN SHE LAYS OUT HER BUDGET PROPOSAL, BUT I'M SURE WE'LL HEAR WERE WHAT SHE WANTS TO DO IN TERMS OF HOUSES AND SAFETY NET THINGS AND OTHER BIG ISSUES.

I IMAGINE SHE'LL TALK ABOUT WATER, GIVEN, AGAIN, WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT AND USUALLY, STATES OF THE STATE, YOU DON'T GET A TON OF DETAILS, BUT CAN GET A DECENT SENSE OF WHAT IS ON THE GOVERNOR'S MIND AND WHAT POLICY AREAS THEY'RE LOOKING TO PURSUE.

P. >> Ted: IF THE STATE OF THE STATE IS GOOD, IS THAT A NOD THAT'S GOOD TO DUCEY?

>> IT HAS TO BE AND CERTAINLY -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT KATIE HOBBS LOOKS AT AS CRITERIA FOR GOOD BUT DUECY LOOKED AT THAT FROM STATE OF THE STATE BUDGET AND THE NATIONAL IT'S IN BALANCE THAT THEY'VE ELIMINATED MOST OF THE DEBT AND LOWERED THE TAX RATE.

WE HAVE JOBS COMING IN AND THOSE THINGS ARE ALL GOOD.

IS THAT WHAT GOVERNOR HOBBS WILL USE?

SHE DID REFERENCE IN THE INAUGURAL CEREMONY THAT THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL, PUSHING BACK ON DUCEY'S OPPORTUNITY PRODUCING OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL.

>> Ted: MAYBE THE STATE OF THE STATE IS GOOD BUT COULD BE BETTER?

>> THAT'S MY GUESS.

>> THAT'S RELATIVE RIVETTING.

>> THE SITUATION DOES NOT WARRANT THAT.

BUT I DO THINK YOU HAVE TO SAY SOMETHING IS BAD A LITTLE, RIGHT, TO LAY OUT AN AGENDA OF THINGS THAT NEED TO CHANGE.

>> Ted: I DON'T WANT TO BE Mr.

NEGATIVE, BUT LET'S JUMP IN.

ARE THERE ANY DISRUPTIONS OR ANY FOOLISHNESS OR NONSENSE WITH THIS?

>> I THINK PEOPLE ARE PROBABLY LIKE SPREADING RUMORS THERE MAY BE, BUT WHEN YOU GET INTO A ROOM BASED ON DECORE DECORUM AND HISTORY, TO BE LIKE A PETULANT CHILD, THAT GOES DOWN.

[ Laughter ] >> YOU NEVER KNOW.

WITH THE LEGISLATURE, WE HAVE 41 FRESHMEN OUT OF THE 90 LAWMAKERS SO 41 OF THE PEOPLE -- A COUPLE OF THEM ARE RETURNING AFTER HAVING SERVED SEVERAL YEARS AGO, BUT MOST HAVE NEVER BEEN TO A LEGISLATIVE CHAMBER AND THEY DON'T KNOW THE DECORUM AND COME FROM EXTREME ENDS THEIR RESPECTIVE PARTIES.

>> Ted: THESE THINGS TAKE FOREVER BECAUSE EVERYBODY WANTS TO THANK THEIR MAILMEN AND DOG CAPPERCATCHER AND EVERYONE.

>> CAN BE A LOT OF THANKS AND INTRODUCING OF KIDS AND PETS AND WHOMEVER ELSE AND THAT TAKES PLACE FROM THE ACTUAL SPEECH.

IF YOU DON'T WANT TO WATCH THAT, TUNE IN FOR THE ACTUAL ADDRESS.

>> THERE WAS A GUY WHO PROPOSED TO HIS GIRLFRIEND YEARS AGO ON THE FLOOR AND SHE SAID YES.

[ Laughter ] >> THE MARRIAGE DIDN'T LAST.

>> Ted: MARK, AS FAR AS YOU'RE CONCERNED BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER IDEAS HERE, WILL THIS BE A MIDDLE-OF OFMIDDLE-OF THE ROAD SPEECH?

>> NOT AN EXTREME LEFTIE OR RIGHTIE BECAUSE LET'S GET THINGS DONE.

SHE TALKED ABOUT WORKING TOGETHER AND WE GOT THE MESSAGE LOUD AND CLEAR THAT DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER.

THE REALITY, FRANKLY, IF THINGS WILL GET DONE AND THE BUDGET HAS TO GET DONE, THEY WILL HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER.

THEY CAN'T HAVE A REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRATIC BUDGET OR OTHER BILLS.

SO I WOULD IMAGINE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD AND TRY TO FIND WHERE THEY CAN FIND AREAS OF COMPROMISE.

>> Ted: LET'S MOVE ON HERE, RACHEL, THE ARIZONA SUPREME COURT KIND OF TOOK A LOOK, A GLANCE AT THE KARI LAKE'S LATEST -- I CAN'T KEEP TRACK OF THOSE.

APPEALING THE SUPREME COURT'S DECISION AND WHAT, WE'LL KEEP IT THERE?

>> NO JUSTIFICATION TO FAST TRACK IT AND IT'S SET FOR HEARING AND THERE WERE ISSUES THAT WARRANTED TO MOVE IN THAT FASTER TRACK.

AND THE COURT OF APPEALS, THAT'S THEIR JOB, RIGHT AND ABNORMAL FOR THE SUPREME COURT TO SAY, SKIP THIS AND COME TO US UNLESS THERE IS AN URGENT NEED.

IF THEY BELIEVED AN URGENT KARI LAKE SHOULD BE THE GOVERNOR THING, THEY WOULD HAVE ALLOWED THE FAST TRACK.

TED WHAT >> Ted: WHAT ABOUT THE SUPREME COURT KEEPING IT WHERE IT WAS?

>> THERE'S NO IMMEDIATE REMEDY.

I MANY, ALTHOUGH LAKE ASKED FOR ASKS FOR A NEW ELECTION.

THERE'S BRIEFINGS DUE IN MIDJANUARY AND AN ORAL ARGUMENT AS EARLY AS THE 24th.

>> Ted: HOW LONG DOES THIS GO ON, MARK?

>> AS LONG KARI LAKES WANTS IT TO GO ON.

IF SHE LOSES, SHE CAN GO TO THE SUPREME COURT AND KEEPS TALKING ABOUT IT AS LONG AS SHE WANTS.

THE SUPREME COURT, THAT'S THE END BUT KEEPS TALKING ABOUT IT AS LONG AS SHE WANTS.

>> WHEN SHE WE ALL STOP TALKING ABOUT IT?

THERE'S NO REMEDY THAT MAKES ANY SENSE AND HOW OFTEN DO WE GIVE IT AIR?

>> Ted: AS FAR AS COURT RESPONSE AND ATTENTION, TO A CERTAIN DEGREE, IT BECOMES, I FILED ANOTHER SUIT ONCE AGAIN DISMISSED.

IT BECOMES A REPEATING THING.

>> IT DOES AND WHEN I'VE TALKED TO PEOPLE IN THE DEMOCRACY SPACE, THEY SAY THAT THE ONLY THING THAT MAKES THIS END IS CONSEQUENCES.

THOSE KIND OF CONSEQUENCES CAN BE SANCTIONS IN THE COURT AND SANCTIONS TO LAWYERS AND WE'RE STARTING TO SEE SOME OF THAT.

I THINK, LIKE, AT A CERTAIN POINT THAT WILL BE A MARGINAL MARGINALIZED PROCESS.

WHEN PEOPLE EXPERIENCE CONSEQUENCES, PAYING MONEY FOR BRINGING A COURT CASE IS A DETERRENT.

>> IF THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO WEIGH AND WE HAVE HAD A REQUEST FOR SANCTIONS AGAINST THE COCHISE COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FROM BACK IN NOVEMBER AND FONTES ASKED FOR SANCTIONS AGAINST FIMCHEMNCHEM AND HIS ATTORNEY.

HOBBS ASKED FOR SANCTIONS AGAIN KARI LAKE'S PEOPLE AND THE JUDGE DECIDED THAT ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS COVER THE FEES.

>> Ted: IT WASN'T THAT SIGNIFICANT.

>> A COUPLE TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS.

>> Ted: WHAT DO YOU THINK, RACHEL, SHOULD WE TALK ABOUT ABE HAMADEH?

>> IT'S IMPORTANT FOR JOURNALISTS TO BE THINKING ABOUT, WHEN THESE ARE FILED AFTER AN ELECTION, YOU DO.

I MEAN, THIS IS SOMETHING TO COVER.

BUT AT A CERTAIN POINT, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST NOISE.

IT'S NOISE, YOU KNOW, FOR A PUBLICITY PURPOSE AND FUNDRAISING PURPOSE.

SO JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND.

>> Ted: FOR THE RECORD, AGAIN IN MOHAVE COUNTY AND LACK OF EVIDENCE TO BEGIN WITH AND SOUNDS LIKE I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF EVIDENCE AND GOES ON AND ON.

>> HE IS SAYING THE ISSUES IN PINAL COUNTY, WHICH SHOULD BE INVESTIGATED, SOMEHOW MEAN THERE'S NO EVIDENCE.

>> Ted: THAT THE STATE SOMEHOW MISLEAD THE JUDGE WHICH THERE'S NO EVIDENCE.

>> THAT THEY WENT THROUGH A WHOLE CALENDAR AND THIS DAY I DID THIS AND THIS AND HERE IS WHY I CONSAY ANYTHING.

COULDN'T SAY ANYTHING.

I THINK RIGHT AFTER THE ELECTION, HE HAD THE BEST CASE FOR WHY HE SHOULD FILE A LAWSUIT AND THAT WAS A CLOSE RACE AND ANYONE IN HIS POSITION WOULD HAVE DONE THE SAME.

HOW LONG THIS GOES ON IS THE ISSUE.

>> Ted: WE WERE ON LAST WEEK AND WE HAD A YEAR-END OR PREDICTION SHOW AND A LOT OF FUN AND A HOOT.

AN ABORTION LAWN.

LAW.

IT BECAME MORE CLEAR AND TALK TO US.

>> ON THE LAST DAY OF THE YEAR, AN APPEAL'S COURT SAYS WE'RE HARMONIZING THE CIVIL WAR ERA, THE TOTAL ABORTION BAN WITH THE LAW THAT LAWMAKERS PASSED IN 2020, WHICH PUTS IN PLACE A 15-WEEK BAN WHICH MEANS DOCTORS CANNOT BE PROSECUTED FOR PERFORMING ABORTIONS UP UNTIL 15 WEEKS AND THEN AFTER THAT, THEY CAN BE.

TED MARK, >> Ted: , MARK, THAT'SMARK, THAT'S A DONE DEAL NOW.

>> UNTIL AFTER THE NEXT APPEAL OF THAT.

WHAT THE IMMEDIATE IMPACT OF THIS IS, THAT KATIE HOBBS ISN'T GOING AND DOESN'T HAVE TO CALL A SPECIAL SESSION ON THIS ISSUE, WHICH HE TALKED ABOUT DOING ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN DIFFICULT BECAUSE THE REPUBLICANS AND LEGISLATURE WOULDN'T REPEAL A LAW THAT MANY SUPPORT.

>> Ted: SHE WANTS THAT 18th 18th CENTURY, WHATEVER IT WAS, SHE WANTS THAT OFF THE BOOKS.

>> SO I THINK THAT EVERYONE HAS BASICALLY DECIDED THAT WILL BE A 2024 BALLOT MEASURE ISSUE.

IT WON'T SUCCEED IN THIS LEGISLATURE.

THE INTERESTING THING TO ME WAS, THAT CASE, IT COULD BE APPEALED BY SOMEONE WHO IS A PARTY TO IT.

AND IT WON'T BE APPEALED BY THE AG.

I THINK WE'LL SEE A LOT OF OLD CASES LIKE THAT.

THAT WERE BRNOVICH ERA CASES AND THE CURRENT ONE WON'T APPEAL.

>> WE'VE SEEN IT THAT THE SCHOOLS HAVE BROUGHT ABOUT THE STATE.

THAT WAS SCHEDULED ON MONDAY AND AS SOON AS SHE GOT INTO OFFICE, AG MAYES FILED TO VACATE AND WILL TRY TO WORK OUT.

>> Ted: BEFORE WE GO, RUSSELL PIERCE DIED YESTERDAY, I BELIEVE, AT THE AGE OF 75, MARK RUSSELL PIERCE, FELL ILL EARLIER IN THE WEEK AND BEST KNOWN FOR SB 1070, FOREVER KNOWN.

>> YEAH, THAT'S AMONG THE THINGS HE'LL BE REMEMBERED FOR.

BUT A COUPLE OF THE FOLKS I'VE SPOKEN WITH BROUGHT UP THE IDEA THAT ONE OF THE OTHER ASPECTS OF HIS LEGACY IS AN ENERGIZED AND ORGANIZED LATINO VOTER AND LATINO COMMUNITY IN THIS STATE, ESPECIALLY IN THE PHOENIX AREA WHO WERE DEVASTATED BY SB 1070 AND OTHER IMMIGRATION MEASURES AND ALSO, THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY GETTING INVOLVED IN IMMIGRATION BILLS.

YOU'LL REMEMBER, THERE WAS A LOT OF CRITICISM AFTER SB 1070 AND BOYCOTTS FOR THE STATE AND THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY GOT INVOLVED AND TRIED TO PUSH BACK ON A LOT OF THE IMMIGRATION RELATED BILLS.

SO A COUPLE EXTRA SORT OF ELEMENTS OF PIERCE'S LEGACY.

>> Ted: ANOTHER LEGACY, GOVERNOR JAN BREWER, WITHOUT SB SB1070.

>> THAT WILL BE FOREVER DISPUTED AND THAT IS CERTAINLY WHAT MANY BELIEVE CATAPULTED HER IN HER OFFICE.

>> Ted: SO THE LEGACY OF RUSSELL PIERCE, IS IT SB 1070, GALVANIZING THE LATINO VOTE, A RECALL FROM OFFICE AND A LOT GOING ON HERE?

>> IT'S BASICALLY ALL THAT AND NOTHING ELSE ROSE TO THAT SAME LEVEL OF HIGH PROFILE.

>> Ted: WILL THERE BE ANOTHER -- I GUESS THERE'S ALWAYS ANOTHER RUSSELL PIERCE?

>> WE'VE HAD SOME OF THE NEW INCOMING LAWMAKERS SAYING I WAS SO GRATEFUL TO HIS RUSSELL PIERCE'S ENDORSEMENT AND HE'S BEEN A GREAT ENDORSEMENT AND HELPED TO BE AN ACTIVE CONSERVATIVE BASE.

>> AS SOMEONE POINTED OUT TO ME TODAY, HE AND ANDY BIGGS WERE TIGHT IN THE LEGISLATURE AND PART OF HIS LEGACY CONTINUES TO BE FOLKS LIKE ANTY ANDY BIGGS CONTINUING THAT LEGACY.

>> EVEN ON THIS VERY DAY.

>> Ted: AND GEORGE PYO WHO HE WORKED WITH YEARS AND YEARS.

BEFORE WE GET GOING, THE STATE OF THE STATE NEXT WEEK AND THE BUDGET AT THE END OF THE WEEK AND WHAT DO WE LOOK FOR NEXT WEEK?

>> THE OBVIOUS ONES, OBVIOUSLY, LIKE EDUCATION FUNDING AND WATER, BUT MILD WILDCARD IS HOUSING.

I THINK THERE WILL BE SOME KIND OF HOUSING INITIATIVES AND THE PROFILE WILL BE MUCH BIGGER THIS SESSION.

I'M HOPING THE PROMISING IN HOUSING WARRANTED, THAT THERE'S SOME SORT OF HOUSING.

>> I THINK HOUSING IS A GOOD ONE AND INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT HER PUBLIC SAFETY BUDGET LOOKS LOOK, AS WELL, CORRECTIONS AND DPS BECAUSE THE LEFT SIDE OF THE -- THE MOST LEFT SIDE OF THE DEMOCRATIC BASE WILL BE LOOKING AT.

>> Ted: WHAT DO YOU THINK, MARY JO?

>> EVENTUALLY IT WILL BE RESOLVED AND RAISE THAT SPENDING CAP SO THE SCHOOLS CAN SPEND THE MONEY THAT THE LEGISLATURE GAVE THEM AND I THINK THERE WILL BE MORE DISSECTION OF THE WATER AGREEMENT MADE LAST YEAR BECAUSE THE CLOSING WEEKS OF 2022, IT LOOKED LIKE SOME OF THE PROMISES WERE, PERHAPS, NOT BEING FULFILLED.

>> Ted: INTERESTING SCHEMATICS.

WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS NEXT WEEK.

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