>>> COMING UP IN THE NEXT HOUR OF LOCAL NEWS ON ARIZONA PBS, AN EXPANDED EYE ADDITION OF "ARIZONA HORIZON."

AS MEMBERS OF THE STATE'S CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION TALK ABOUT WEDNESDAY'S SIEGE AT THE U.S. CAPITOL.

>>> ALSO ON HORIZON, THE LEGACY OF THE LATE PHOENIX COUNCILMAN CALVIN C. GOOD.

AND ON BREAK IT DOWN, HOW LANGUAGE CAN SHOW HIERARCHY.

THAT'S ALL IN THE NEXT HOUR ON ARIZONA PBS.

>>> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THIS EXTENDED VERSION OF "ARIZONA HORIZON."

I'M TEDSIMONS.

FALLOUT CONTINUES OVER WEDNESDAY'S ATTACKS ON THE U.S. CAPITOL BY A MOB OF PRO-TRUMP RIOTERS INFLAMED BY THE FALSE ALLEGATIONS OF ELECTIONS FRAUD.

THE ATTACK IS NOW PART OF A FEDERAL MURDER INVESTIGATION AFTER A 42-YEAR-OLD CAPITOL POLICE OFFICER WHO WAS HIT IN THE HEAD BY A FIRE EXTINGUISHER, DIED OF HIS INJURIES LAST NIGHT.

FLAGS AT THE COMPANY.

TODAY WERE ORDERED FLOWN AT HALF-STAFF BY HOUSE SPEAKER NANCY PELOSI.

THE SPEAKER TODAY ALSO SPOKE WITH THE NATION'S TOP MILITARY LEADER ABOUT KEEPING, QUOTE, AN UNHINGED PRESIDENT FROM ACCESSING NUCLEAR CODES.

PELOSI TOLD COLLEAGUES THAT GENERAL MARK MILLEY ASSURED HER THAT STEPS ARE IN PLACE TO PREVENT AN UNSTABLE PRESIDENT TO INITIATE HOSTILITIES.

IT'S ALL INCREASING CALLS FOR THE PRESIDENT TO BE IMPEACHED AGAIN.

SOME LAWMAKERS ARE READY TO GO NOW.

OTHERS NOT SO SURE.

>> DONALD TRUMP NEEDS TO BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE AND WE ARE GOING TO PROCEED WITH EVERY TOOL THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT HAPPENS TO PROTECT OUR DEMOCRACY.

IT'S-- IF THE REPORTS ARE CORRECT AND MIKEPENCE IS NOT GOING TO UPHOLD HIS OATH OF OFFICE, AND REMOVE THE PRESIDENT AND HELP PROTECT OUR DEMOCRACY, THEN WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH IMPEACHMENT TO DO JUST THAT.

>> SHOULDN'T WE BE PUTTING THE ATTENTION ON THE FUTURE AND HAVING A SAFE, SOUND, AND APPROPRIATE TRANSFER OF POWER AT INTO ON JANUARY 20th INSTEAD OF CALLING ALL THE ATTENTION INTO THE PASSIONS OF THE HOUSE OVER THIS NEXT 12 DAYS TO PURSUE ANOTHER IMPEACHMENT?

I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S THE WISEST COUNSEL THAT THE SPEAKER HAS RECEIVED.

>> SPEAKING OF JANUARY 20th, PRESIDENT TRUMP TODAY SAID THAT HE WOULD NOT BE ATTENDING JOEBIDEN'S INAUGURATION.

THE PRESIDENT MADE THE ANNOUNCEMENT BY A STRAIGHTFORWARD TWEET.

VICE PRESIDENT MIKEPENCE SAYS HE DOES PLAN TO ATTEND BUT HE'S WAITING TO BE INVITED.

>>> AND TRUMP SUPPORTER AND ATTORNEY SIDNEY POWELL IS BEING SUED BY DOMINION VOTING SYSTEMS FOR $1.3BILLION IN DAMAGES OVER WHAT THEY CALL A VIRAL DISINFORMATION CAMPAIGN.

POWELL HAS PUSHED A NUMBER OF FALSE CLAIMS OF ELECTION FRAUD, ALLEGING THAT DOMINION WAS STEALING THE ELECTION FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP.

THE PRESIDENT HAS ENDORSED POWELL'S CLAIMS BUT MANY RIGHT WING MEDIA OUTLETS THAT REPORTED THE WILD ACCUSATIONS HAD ISSUED RETRACTIONS AND NOW DOMINION IS SUING POWELL FOR OVER ABILLION DOLLARS IN DAMAGES.

>>> WE'LL HAVE MORE ON THE EVENTS IN WASHINGTON, BUT FIRST, TODAY'S COVID-19 REPORT AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT GOOD.

ARIZONA STILL LEADS THE WORLD IN NEW COVID CASES PER CAPITA.

WE HAD OVER 11,000 NEW CASES REPORTED TODAY, NEARLY 200 NEW DEATHS CERTIFIED.

STATE SEVEN-DAY AVERAGE IS AT A RECORD HIGH AS WE APPROACH 10,000 TOTAL COVID FATALITIES.

>>> ARIZONA'S HOSPITAL RATE IS NOW THE WORST IN THE COUNTRY AS HOSPITALS CONTINUE TO BE SWAMPED BY COVID PATIENTS.

HOSPITALS ARE REPORTING 93% OF ICU AND NON-ICU BEDS ARE NOW IN USE.

OVER HALF OF THE BEDS OCCUPIED BY COVID PATIENTS.

>>> THERE'S NEWS REGARDING VACCINES.

PRESIDENT-ELECT JOEBIDEN PLANS TO RELEASE EVERY AVAILABLE DOSE OF THE COVID VACCINE ONCE HE TAKES OFFICE.

THAT'S A CHANGE FROM THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION, WHICH IS HOLDING BACK HALF OF THE SUPPLY TO ENSURE THAT SECOND DOSES ARE AVAILABLE.

SOME GOVERNORS HAVE PRESSED FOR THE RESERVE DOSES TO BE DISTRIBUTED BUT THERE'S CONCERN ABOUT ENOUGH VACCINES BEING ABLE FOR THE SECOND DOSES.

>>> AND IN TUCSON TODAY A MEMORIAL WAS DEDICATED TO PIMA COUNTY COURTHOUSE TO MARK 10 YEARS SINCE THE DEADLY TUCSON SHOOTING THAT INJURED FORMER CONGRESSWOMAN GINOBILI.

BELL-- GABRIELLE GIFFORDS.

GIFFORDS SURVEYED BUT SHE WAS NOT IN THE HEAD AND SERIOUSLY WOUND.

THE MEMORIAL TELLS THE STORIES OF THE VICTIMS AND HONORS FIRST RESPONDERS.

>>> BACK TO WEDNESDAY'S INSURRECTION, ARIZONA CONGRESSMAN REUBEN GALLEGOS WAS IN THE HOUSE AND USED HIS MILITARY EXPERIENCE TO HELP HIS COLLEAGUES EVACUATE.

WE SPOKE WITH HIM EARLIER TODAY TO GET HIS THOUGHTS ON WHAT HAPPENED WEDNESDAY AND WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN NOW WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP.

CONGRESSMAN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU.

GOOD TO KNOW YOU'RE SAFE AFTER WHAT HAPPENED WEDNESDAY.

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED WEDNESDAY?

>> I MEAN, I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED IN A LOT OF PEOPLE.

I'M SADDENED THAT OUR AMERICAN DEMOCRACY WAS PUT TO A TEST.

I'M GLAD THAT WE GOT BACK TO THE FLOOR BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS ATTEMPTED COUP.

AND THE POLICE OFFICER THAT WAS KILLED TRYING TO PROTECT DEMOCRACY.

BUT WE SHOULD ALL REALLY BE ASHAMED THAT THE POLITICIANS EGGS PLOITED THIS SITUATION.

PUB EXPLOITED THIS SITUATION.

>> AS FAR AS WHAT YOU EXPERIENCED, WE SAW YOU-- EXPERIENCED, FOLKS HAD TO USE GAS MASK, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES?

>> YEAH.

AT SOME POINT THEY ASKED MEMBERS TO GET READY TO PUT ON GAS MASKS.

I COULD TELL A LOT OF MEMBERS WERE SCARED AND FRIGHTENED.

THEY WERE STARTING TO BREATHE HEAVILY AND THESE GAS MASKS ARE SELF-CONTAINED AND I WAS AFRAID THEY WOULD HYPERVENTILATE AND PASS-- HYPERVENTILATE AND PASS OUT.

AND EVENTUALLY IT HELPED THE EVACUATION.

>> THERE'S A LOT OF TALK ON CAPITOL HILL THAT THE PRESIDENT IS UNFIT FOR OFFICE.

DO YOU AGREE?

>> I MEAN, I DON'T THINK HE'S BEEN FIT FOR OFFICE FOR MANY YEARS.

I'M GLAD MANY PEOPLE SEE IT NOW.

>> BECAUSE?

>> WELL, LOOK, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT, WE HEAR FROM PEOPLE INSIDE THE WHITEHOUSE THAT HE WAS PARTICULARLY GIDDY WHEN HE HEARD WE WERE BEING OVERRUN.

HE WAS HOPEFULLY IT COULD STOP-- WOULD STOP THE PROCESS, EVEN AFTER WE HAD BEEN DELAYED, THERE WAS A TENSE-- ATTEMPTS BY PIS PERSONAL ATTORNEY GENERAL GIULIANI TO DELAY EVEN FURTHER ELECTORAL COLLEGE COUNTS, EVEN CALLING INTO QUESTION BOGUS OTHER STATES.

SO WE'RE STILL WONDERING WHAT THE HECK HAPPENED WITH THE NATIONAL GUARD.

THERE WAS A DELAY IN GIVING AUTHORITIES FROM THE NATIONAL GUARD TO BRING THEM IN TO THE CAPITOL TO PROTECT US AND TO CLEAR IT OUT.

SO THIS PERSON, YOU KNOW, THINKS HE'S ABOVE THE LAW.

IS NO LONGER REALLY IN HIS FULL-- CAPACITY TO ACTUALLY GOVERN, AND I THINK HE'S VERY DANGEROUS AND HE NEEDS TO BE REMOVED.

>> SO YOU WOULD SUPPORT A SNAP IMPEACHMENT?

>> I WOULD.

IF ANYTHING, THAT'S ONE OF OUR ONLY SAFETIES THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.

WE HAVE ANIST PEOPLE.

-- AN IMPEACHMENT.

WE HAVE IN IT THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE CAN HOLD ON TO IT IN CASE HE OVERREACTS AND THEY CAN QUICKLY GET TOGETHER AND VOTE HIM OUT AND REMOVE HIM IF HE SHOULD TRY FURTHER ACTIONS LIKE THIS.

>> FOR THOSE WHO SAY, AND THERE ARE THOSE WHO SAY IT'S NOT WORDS IT.

LESS THAN TWO WEEKS TO GO.

JUST RIDE IT OUT AND KEEP SOME CONSTRAINTS ON HIM.

YOU SAY-- >> THERE ARE NO CONSTRAINTS.

THIS IS THE ONLY CONSTRAINT.

SINCE JANUARY 1st THIS PRESIDENT TRIED CALLING THE SECRETARY OF THE STATE OF GEORGIA AND PRESSURED HIM AND ALSO THREATENED HIM IN ORDER FOR HIM TO TRY TO CHANGE NUMBERS TO GET HIM HIS VOTES.

THREE DAYS LATER, HE CALLS FOR INSURRECTION, TELLING HIS MARRERS TO-- MARCHERS TO MARCH ON CAPITOL HILL, AND THEN YOU KNOW, EVEN HIS PERSONAL LAWYER SAYS TRIAL BY COMBAT.

SO THERE IS NO RESTRAINTS.

THE RESTRAINTS WE HAVE RIGHT NOW ARE BASICALLY IMPEACHMENT SHOULD IT HAPPEN.

WE'LL REMOVE HIM AND THEN PROSECUTION.

BUT YOU NEED TO HAVE THE FIRST ONE THERE IN ORDER FOR THAT TO HAPPEN AND IT'S A LONGER PROCESS FOR THE HOUSE TO GET IT DONE.

SO WE NEED TO HAVE OURS DONE, SO THAT'S THE WARRANTS OF ARREST, AND THEN THE SENATE COULD BE THE ACTUAL ARRESTING BODY SHOULD SOMETHING HAPPEN.

>> DO YOU HEAR ANYTHING THERE-- WHEN YOU'RE BACK ON CAPITOL HILL, I KNOW YOU'RE HOME NOW, BUT BACK IN WASHINGTON, BEFORE YOU LEFT, WERE YOU HEARING THAT REPUBLICANS WERE STARTING TO GET ON BOARD WITH THIS?

>> WE DID.

I DON'T-- I NEVER, YOU KNOW, RELIE ON REPUBLICAN-- RELY ON REPUBLICAN COURAGE WHEN IT COMES TO TRUMP.

THERE ARE SOME THAT HAVE BEEN QUITE OUTSTANDING BUT WE NEED MORE THAN JUST SOME.

WE NEED ANOTHER ONE-THIRD OF THEM TO JOIN US AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY WILL.

IN THE MEANTIME, WE HAVE TO DO OUR-- WHAT WE CAN IN THE HOUSE, PASS IMPEACHMENT, AND THEN BASICALLY HOPE THAT IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT HE DOES THAT IS ILLEGAL, OR UNCONSTITUTIONAL, THAT THE REPUBLICAN SENATE WILL JOIN WITH THE DEMOCRATS TO HOLD HIM ACCOUNTABLE AND REMOVE HIM AND KEEP OUR COUNTRY SAFE.

>> I FIND IT INTERESTING THERE'S NOT MUCH PUSHBACK FROM REPUBLICANS ON CAPITOL HILL REGARDING IMPEACHMENT.

UPON REFLECTION, YOU WERE THERE, YOU SAW THESE FOLKS.

THESE WERE ANGRY, OUT-OF-CONTROL-- >> TERRORISTS.

>> WILD PEOPLE.

WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THEM TO TRY TO TALK SOME SENSE INTO THEM?

>> OH, NO, NO, NO.

THERE'S NO TALKING SENSE.

THEY PARTICIPATED IN A COUPE, INSURRECTION.

I HOPE TO HUNT THEM DOWN AND THROW THEM IN JAIL AND RUIN THEIR CAREERS FORTRESS OF THEIRS LIVES.

-- FOR-- FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES.

THEY DIDN'T BREAK INTO A FROZEN YOWRGT SHOP.

THEY TRIED TO STOP THE DEMOCRATIC PRO SELGT.

IF THEY'D BEEN AFRICAN-AMERICANS, THEY PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN SHOT DEATH.

IF THEY WERE MUSLIMS, THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN SHOT DEAD.

BECAUSE THEY'RE ANGRY WHITE PEOPLE SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM SOME RECKONING, NO?

THEY'RE ALL GOING TO JAIL.

I HOPE THEY ALL SPEND AS MUCH TIME AS POSITION.

THEY SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF THEMSELVES.

IF THEY HAVE JOBS, THAT-- AND-- I HOPE THEIR JOBS WILL ALL FIRE THEM AND THEY END UP BEING PENNILESS AND POOR FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES.

THERE'S NO FORGIVING FOR INSURRECTION AGAINST YOUR OWN DEMOCRACY.

>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

>> THANK YOU.

HAVE A GOOD ONE.

>>> UP NEXT, A DIFFERENT VIEWPOINT FROM A DIFFERENT ARIZONA CONGRESSMAN, REPRESENTATIVE PAUL GOSAR.

>> THIS IS OUR STORY.

>>> CONGRESSMAN PAUL GOSAR WAS SPEAKING ON THE HOUSE FLOOR WHEN THE CAPITOL WAS ATTACKED BY A MOB OF PRO-TRUMP SUPPORTERS WHO THINK THAT THE ELECTION WAS SOMEHOW STOLEN LIKE GOSAR, IN FAVOR OF JOEBIDEN.

WE SPOKE TO HIM EARLIER TODAY.

CONGRESSMAN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

I GOT TO ASK YOU, AFTER WEDNESDAY, WAS IT WORTH IT GETTING THESE PEOPLE RILED UP OVER SO FAR WHAT HAS BEEN A SERIES OF UNSUBSTANTIATED CLAIMS?

>> THEY WEREN'T UNSUBSTAB THAT ITED CLAIMS.

WHEN YOU HAVE AN ELECTION PROCESS THAT GOES THROUGH A HUNDRED BALLOTS, RANDOM, DUPLICATE BALLOTS, AND SHOWS A THAT%TERROR RATE AND THOSE TWO-- 3%ERROR RATE, AND THOSE SHOW A 3% DIFFERENCE, WHERE BOTH THE BALLOTS THAT VOTED FOR TRUMP, THE ONE WON'T VET TO JOEBIDEN AND THE OTHER ONE WAS NOT-- ONE WENT TO JOEBIDEN AND THE OTHER ONE DID NOT PUT DONALD TRUMP.

THEN YOU EXPAND THAT TO 2500 BALLOTS AND YOU STOP MIDWAY THROUGH IT AND REFUSE TO GO ANY FURTHER, AND MARICOPA COUNTY IS THE ONLY COUNTY THAT USES DOMINION VOTING MACHINES.

AND YOU LOOK AT THE-- [INAUDIBLE] PRODUCED BY HBO AND THE DEMOCRATS, AND YOU SEE ALL THE PROBLEMS THAT ARE WITH THIS, PLUS YOU PUT THE SENATE SUBCOMMITTEES HOMELAND SECURITY ON VOTER SECURITY AND THEY SAY THESE-- SOFTWARE AND THIS PROGRAM IS BASICALLY 100% CORRUPTIBLE.

YOU TAKE TEXAS AND THEY-- DECOMMISSIONED IT THREE TIMES THE DOMINION SOFTWARE.

AND IN NORTHCAROLINA, WHEN THEY PUT UP THEIR RFP TO-- [INAUDIBLE] FOR THE VOTING MACHINES, WHEN NORTHCAROLINA ASKED FOR THEIR INVESTORS AND THERE WERE FOREIGN COUNTRIES INVOLVED, AND THEY RIPPED THROUGH THE RFP.

AND THEN YOU SEE IN OCTOBER THIS THE CHINESE THROUGH ONE OF THEIR COMPANIES ACTUALLY NOW OWNS DOMINION AS OF OCTOBER, TELL ME.

I MEAN, PEOPLE GET UPSET WHEN YOU TELL THEM ONE THING AND LEAD THEM DOWN A PATHWAY AND SHEN THUT-- THEN SHUT THE DOOR ON THEM.

>> CONGRESSMAN, THOUGH, THESE ALLEGATIONS IN A VARIETY OF WAYS AND FASHIONS, THEY'VE BEEN REJECTED BY THE COMPANY, DIMIN JORN.

THEY'VE BEEN REJECTED BY ELECTIONS OFFICIALS IN ARIZONA AND AROUND THE COUNTRY.

THEY'VE BEEN REJECTED BY TRIAL COURTS, BY APPEALS TORTS, BY STATE SUPREME COURTS, YOU KNOW SUPREME COURTS, AND-- UNITEDSTATES SUPREME COURTS.

THEY'VE HAD THEIR DAY AND THEN IN SOME COURT.

ISN'T IT TIME TO PUT THIS DOWN AND HEAL THIS COUNTRY?

>> TED, THAT IS AN ABSOLUTE FALSE STATEMENT, BECAUSE ONE OF THESE HAVE BEEN PUT IN ON THE MERITS.

THESE WERE ALL TICK-- KICKED OUT OF THE COURTS BY TECHNICALITIES.

YOU HAVE A COURT USED FOR THE SUPREME COURT-- AN [INAUDIBLE] YOU ACTUALLY HAD VIOLATIONS OF THE SUPREME COURTS IN PENNSYLVANIA, AND IN-- WISCONSIN, AND OTHER PLACES.

THEY'D HAVE DONE THE SAME THING.

AND I WOULD LISTEN AND THE PEOPLE SHOULD LISTEN TO DOMINION FOR SELF-EVALUATION.

GIVE ME A BREAK.

WHAT WE EXPECT IS A CLEAN AND CLEAR-- [INAUDIBLE] ELECTION.

IF YOU'VE GOT NOTHING TO HIGHLIGHTED, WHY NOT DO THE FORENSIC EVALUATIONS.

>> LET ME PUT IT TO YOU A DIFFERENT WAY, THEN.

IF THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM OF THIS COUNTRY AND THIS STATE IS SO COMPLETELY INCAPABLE OF HANDLING THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE, ARE YOU SAYING THAT MEMBERS OF ELECTION OFFICIALS ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY, JUDICIARY ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY, EVERYONE IS IN CA HOOTS, WHAT, TO MAKE SURE DONALD TRUMP ISN'T PRESIDENT?

>> SURE.

IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT I SAID, TED, FROM DAY ONE, IS HAVING TRANSPARENCY WITHIN THE ELECTION, BECAUSE WHEN YOU BRING OUT AUDIT SACKS AND THOSE WERE SACKS, BY THE WAY, TED.

YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T ME THAT ACTUALLY PUT THE 100-- [INAUDIBLE] IT WAS THE MARICOPA COUNTY RECORDER.

SO I MEAN, [INAUDIBLE] IT WAS 2500 BALLOTS THAT ACTUALLY CAME OUT-- WITH THE RECORDER AND THEY STOPPED.

AND THEN THEY FILED LAWSUITS AGAINST THE ISSUES [INAUDIBLE] BY THE STATE LEGISLATURE WHO BY THE QUAY HAS JURISDICTION OVER-- WAY HAS JURISDICTION OVER THE ELECTION.

I APPLAUD THE LEGISLATURE.

WHAT I WOULD EXPECT IS WHEN THEY GO BACK INTO SESSION IS THAT THEY MAKE SURE THE SUBPOENAS ARE DULY FILED, THAT THEY HAVE OVERSIGHT, LEE, A:BALLOTS-- THEY LOOK AT THE BALLOTS AND THE MACHINES AND HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE.

IF THERE IS NO FORT LAUDERDALE THEN WE HAVE TO EXERCISE TO LOWER THE TENSIONS, LOWER THE EXPECTATIONS THAT WE HAVE AN ELECTION THAT IS VOID OF FRAUD.

>> CONGRESSMAN GOSAR, LAST QUESTION.

WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

I GOT TO ASK YOU, THOUGH.

HAS IT EVER OCCURRED TO YOU THAT YOU AND OTHERS ARE SIMPLY BEING DUPED BY PRESIDENT TRUMP?

>> THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH DONALD TRUMP.

EVEN WHEN I SEE IN MY DISTRICT, WE HAD FOUR-- PRESIDENT COMING FOUR TIMES AND WE SAW THIS HERALDING OF PEOPLE FROM EVERYWHERE.

THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS, TENS OF THOUSANDS.

AND JOEBIDEN COMES AND HE GETS FIVE OR SIX OR SEVEN?

AND THEN YOU GET A JOEBIDEN WHO OUTPERFORMS BARACKOBAMA BY FAR, THE MOST POPULAR PRESIDENT IN MODERN DAY HISTORY ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE?

GIVE ME A BREAK.

THOSE DON'T ADD UP.

AND WHEN YOU SEE-- WHEN YOU SEE THAT ABNORMALITY GOING BACK AND FORTH FROM PEOPLE THAT DO THIS FOR A LIVING, THAT DO THIS FOR THE MILITARY, THAT DO THIS FOR THE BANKS AND LAWSUITS-- [INAUDIBLE] HARDLY BANS OF TRUMP AND SAY SOMETHING IS WRONG HERE.

YOU KNOW, WHY NOT GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, OPENLY WITH THE NORTHWESTERN PUBLIC.

BECAUSE THEY HAVE-- AMERICAN PUBLIC.

THEY ARE THE PEOPLE WHO DESERVE TO HEAR THIS AND HEAR IT RIGHT.

I WASN'T DUPED BY DONALD TRUMP.

THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS I DON'T FOLLOW THROUGH WITH ON-- FROM HIM.

BUT I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT HE HAS DONE THAT HAS BEEN VERY, VERY GOOD TO HIS COUNTRY.

SO YOU KNOW, FROM THAT STANDPOINT, I'M HARDLY ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT IS DIEWMED.

I'M THAT-- DUPED.

I'M THAT GUY THAT CALLED OUT MY LEADERSHIP.

SO I THINK I HAVE SOME CREDIBILITY.

AND BY THE WAY, ALL THE ACCUSATIONS FROM THINGS IN THE PAST, WHERE I'VE TAKEN A LOWELL PLACE ON THAT ISLAND, PAUL GOSAR HAS BEEN RIGHT THERE.

>> WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, SIR.

>> THANK YOU.

>> ARIZONA DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSMAN TOM O'HALLERON WAS IN THE COMPANY.

WE SPOKE TO HIM ABOUT THE MOOD AT THE CAPITOL TODAY AND IF HE AGREES WITH OTHER DEMOCRATS THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE.

>> CONGRESSMAN, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TODAY ON ARIZONA PBS.

CAN YOU TELL US WHAT'S THE MOOD AT THE CAPITOL RIGHT NOW?

>> FIRST OF ALL, GOOD MORNING.

IT'S MY PLEASURE TO BE HERE.

THE MOOD IS ONE OF CAUTION AS FAR AS MOVING FORWARD, WHERE WE'RE HEADING.

RESENTMENT FOR WHAT OCCURRED.

SADNESS.

WE LOST A POLICE OFFICER, TRAGICALLY.

OTHER PEOPLE DIED IN THIS INCIDENT.

I THINK THERE'S A TOTAL OF FIVE PEOPLE THAT DIED, WHETHER THROUGH NATURAL CAUSES OR THROUGH GUN SHOTS OR BEATINGS LIKE OUR OFFICER.

IT'S A TERRIBLE THING WHEN THE UNITEDSTATES CAPITOL SENDS 8-- SAYS 1812 WHEN IT WAS FIRST ATTACKED LIKE THIS.

PEOPLE TOOK IT OVER, OUR OWN CITIZENS.

TO THEY IT ALL STARTED BECAUSE OF THE WORDS OF A PRESIDENT OF THE UNITEDSTATES LOSING AN ELECTION.

NOVEMBER 3rd AND STILL RESENTFUL.

I UNDERSTAND LOSING AN ELECTION AND STUFF.

BUT TO KEEP TELLING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THIS AND THIS LIE AND GETTING PEOPLE'S PASSIONS UP TO A LEVEL OF-- BEAK UNTRUTHFUL TO-- BEING UNTRUTHFUL TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

THAT'S HARD TO TAKE.

>> WELL, TELL US, HOW MUCH RESPONSIBILITY DO YOU THINK FALLS ON PRESIDENT TRUMP IN YOUR OPINION?

>> WELL, WHEN YOU-- YOU KNOW DAY AFTER DAY, HOUR AFTER HOUR, THAT YOU'RE INTENTIONALLY RAISING THE PASSIONS OF PEOPLE THROUGH A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE A COURT SYSTEM.

THE COURTS THROUGH OUT 6-- THREW OUT 60 CATIONS.

WE HAVE A SYSTEM OF A BIPARTISAN PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE UNITEDSTATES WORKING ON ELECTIONS TOGETHER.

AND THEY ALL FOUND THAT THINGS WERE APPROPRIATE.

IN ARIZONA WE HAVE A GOVERNOR, AN ATTORNEY GENERAL, SECRETARY OF STATE THAT ALL AGREED BIPARTISAN THAT OUR ELECTIONS WERE HELD APPROPRIATELY.

SEEING WHAT OCCURRED ON OUR FLOOR THE OTHER NIGHT NOT ONLY JUST THE SITUATION WITH THE PEOPLE THAT CAME IN AND TRESPASSED ON THE HISTORICAL PLACE, THE UNITEDSTATES CAPITOL, AND PUT EVERYBODY AT RISK, BUT THE IDEA THAT WE HAD PEOPLE IN THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE THAT TRIED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS SITUATION INSTEAD OF CALMING FEARS AND MAKING SURE THE AMERICAN PEP KNEW THAT OUR JUDICIAL SYSTEM AND OTHER PROCESSES WERE WORKING CORRECTLY.

YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME.

AND I'VE NEVER, EVER SEEN THIS OR EVER IMAGINING THAT THIS COULD OCCUR IN AMERICA WITHOUT INTERNATIONAL TERRORISM RING DOING.

>> THERE IS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT IMPEACHMENT AS YOU KNOW OR INVOKING THE 25th AMENDMENT.

WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON WHETHER THE PRESIDENT SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE, WITH JUST 14 DAYS LEFT TO GO IN HIS TERM?

>> 14 DAYS IS A LONG TIME IN THE WORLD.

A LOT OF THINGS CAN BE DONE.

I'M IN TOTAL FAVOR OF THE 25th AMENDMENT.

I'VE COME OUT AND STATE THAT.

-- STATED THAT.

I FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT THAT.

MORE SO EVERY DAY.

WHEN YOU HAVE WORLD LEADERS ALL OVER THIS WORLD CONDEMNING THIS ACTION AND THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITEDSTATES, WHO INITIATED THIS WHOLE PROCESS, DOESN'T COME OUT AND CONDEMN IT UNTIL AFTER ALL THE WORLD LEADERS HAVE, THERE'S A PROBLEM THERE.

AND THERE'S A PROBLEM THERE WHEN OBVIOUSLY-- YESTERDAY WE KNEW THAT AN OFFICER HAD DIED.

HE KNEW.

HE HAS A WHOLE ELEMENT OF PEOPLE THAT TELL HIM THIS TYPE OF NEWS.

AND I DIDN'T HEAR A WORD OUT OF HIS MOUTH.

AN OFFICER, A FAMILY, SOMEBODY THAT TRIED TO SAVE OUR-- DEALT WITH OUR SAFETY AND TRY TO SAVE OUR LIVES, AND WAS-- IS ALL OF A SUDDEN TRAGICALLY TAKEN, THAT'S A TERRIBLE THING.

AND THERE'S JUST NO PLACE IN OUR HISTORY, OUR SOCIETY, OUR-- THAT A PRESIDENT WOULD IGNITE THIS TYPE OF PROCESS IN PEOPLE THROUGH LIES.

>> AND I ASSUME RESPONSIBILITY DOESN'T JUST LIE WITH THE PRESIDENT.

YOU TALKED ON THE FLOOR WEDNESDAY ABOUT HOW WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD ONLY WITH LEADERS WHO ARE RESPECTFUL AND WHO USE TRUTH AND FACTS.

AND I'M WONDERING IF YOU'RE CONFIDENT IN ARIZONA LEADERS AND IF THEY ARE DOING SO, INCLUDING MEMBERS OF THE ARIZONA DELEGATION.

>> WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY DISCUSSION I THINK AS A DELEGATION.

SIT DOWN AND START TO UNDERSTAND ONE ANOTHER.

I'VE SPENT MY POLITICAL CAREER TRYING TO BE AS TRUTHFUL AS I KNOW THAT I CAN BASED ON FACTS.

I'VE NOT DOING 30-SECOND SOUND BITES MYSELF ATTACKING PEOPLE.

I THINK EVERYTHING SHOULD BE BASED ON THE-- MAKING SURE THAT THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WHETHER HAVE MUCH MORE TRUST IN US.

IF WE'RE TRUTHFUL WITH THEM.

IF WE TELL THEM THE HARD ISSUES THAT WE'RE FACING AS A NATION, AND TRY TO WORK WITH THEM AND OUR FELLOW REPRESENTATIVES TO OVERCOME THIS, NOT, THIS SHOULD NOT BE STRICTLY A GAME OF RE-ELECTION AND POWER AND MAKING SURE WE CAN GET OUR WAY.

OUR WAY IS ABOUT GETTING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE MOVING FORWARD TOGETHER, UNITED.

I SPOKE TO THAT ISSUE THE OTHER NIGHT ALSO.

>> WELL, CONGRESSMAN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

AND NOT GIVING US 30-SECOND SOUND BITES.

I HOPE YOU HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND ON ARIZONA PBS.

>> SAME TO YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU.

>>> AS MENTIONLED, SOME MEMBERS OF CONGRESS ARE CALLING FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP TO BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE USING THE 25th AMENDMENT.

BUT HOW WOULD THAT PROCESS-- AMENDMENT.

BUT HOW WOULD THAT PROCESS WORK?

>> Reporter: THE 25th AMENDMENT WAS CREATED AFTER THE ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHNF.

KENNEDY.

IT DETAILS THE PLANS FOR PRESIDENTIAL SUCCESSION IN THE EVENT OF DISABILITY OR DEATH, USUALLY THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF CALLS FOR THE AMENDMENT BEFORE HE UNDERGOES A MEDICAL PROCEDURE.

HE SENDS A LETTER TO THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE PRESIDENT TEMPORARILY TRANSFERRING POWER.

HE THEN SENDS ANOTHER LETTER WHEN HE TAKES BACK THE POWER.

SECTION 4 IS WHAT IS BEING CONSIDERED NOW.

IT ALLOWS THE VICE PRESIDENT AND TOP GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS TO DECIDE IF THE PRESIDENT IS UNABLE TO DISCHARGE THE POWERS AND DUTIES OF HIS OFFICE.

IN OPINION FORM THE JUDGMENT DEPARTMENT'S OFFICE OF LEGAL COUNSEL BACK IN 1985 EXPLAINS THAT GROUP WOULD BE THE COURT CABINET SECRETARIES.

CURRENTLY, THERE ARE 15 OF THOSE.

THOUGH THREE ARE ACTING AND TWO RESIGNED YESTERDAY.

EIGHT OF THOSE 10 WOULD HAVE TO AGREE TO REMOVE THE PRESIDENT.

BUT THE PRESIDENT CAN SEND A LETTER TO CONGRESS CLAIMING HE IS FIT TO THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE PRESIDENT.

THEY HAVE FOUR DAYS TO RESPOND.

IF THEY BELIEVE THE PRESIDENT IS UNABLE TO PERFORM HIS DUTIES, IT GOES TO CONGRESS.

THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE HAVE 21 DAYS TO OVERRULE THE PRESIDENT'S CLAIM BY A TWO-THIRDS VOTE.

>> PRESIDENT TRUMP'S TERM EXPIRES AT NOON-- EXPIRES AT NOON ON INAUGURATION DAY, JANUARY 20th.

>>> WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU.

>>> UP NEXT ON THIS EXTENDED ADDITION, A JOURNALIST IS' ROUNDTABLE LOOK AT THE INSURRECTION.

AND LATER THE DIFFERENT ATTITUDES TOWARDS SPEAKING SPANISH.

>> WELCOME BACK.

AS OUR EXTENDED EDITION OF "HORIZON" CONTINUES, TIME FOR THE JOURNALISTS' ROUNDTABLE.

MARIA FILETA OF "THE ARIZONA REPUBLIC" AND JEREMY DUDEA OF THE ARIZONA MIRROR JOINS US TO DISCUSS A HISTORIC WEEK IN U.S. HISTORY.

AND THANK YOU, BOTH FOR JOINING US ON THE JOURNALISTS' ROUNDTABLE.

MARIA, START WITH YOU.

YOUR THOUGHTS ON WHAT HAPPENED WEDNESDAY IN THE NATION'S CAPITOL?

>> WELL, UNFORTUNATELY, I CAN'T SAY I WAS ENTIRELY SURPRISED BY WHAT HAPPENED ON WEDNESDAY.

I KNOW IT WAS SHOCKING FOR A LOT OF FOLKS TO ACTUALLY SEE IT UNFOLD IN TERMS OF THE MOB THAT FAIRLY EASILY OVERTOOK CAPITOL POLICE AND THE PICTURES COMING OUT OF THERE WITH THE FOLKS SITTING AT THE DAIS, SITTING AT THE BALCONY, SPEAKER PELOSI'S DESK, THAT WAS JARRING.

BUT WE'VE BEEN HEADING TOWARD THAT POINT OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS AND HEIGHTENED OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS SINCE THE ELECTION.

TENSIONS HAVE REALLY BEEN RISING IN ARIZONA AND AT THE CAPITOL, AND WE HAD THE PRESIDENT JUST WEDNESDAY MORNING ENCOURAGING HIS SUPPORTERS TO MARCH TO CAPITOL HILL TO NOT BE WEAK, TO BE STRONG AND TAKE BACK THE COUNTRY.

SO FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, IT SEEMED INEVITABLE TO ME.

>> JEREMY, THE OVERTAKING OF THE CAPITOL HAPPENED WHEN PAUL GOSAR WAS SPEAKING AGAINST ARIZONA'S ELECTORS.

SO ARIZONA CONNECTIONS ALL OVER THIS THING.

>> SURE, ARIZONA, I THINK THERE WERE SIX STATES THAT TRUMP SUPPORTERS WERE ORIGINALLY PLANNING ON OBJECTING TO THE CERTIFICATION OF THE ARIZONA VOTES, YOU NEEDED ONE HOUSE MEMBER AND ONE SENATE MEMBER TO END THE JOINT SESSION AND GO BACK TO RESPECTIVE CHAMBERS TO DEBATE AND ARIZONA FIRST ALPHABETICALLY ON THE LIST, OUR OWN PAUL GOSAR WAS SPEAKING, THE ARIZONA SENATOR, THAT KICKED EVERYTHING OFF.

CONGRESSMAN AND SENATORS WERE IN THE RESPECTIVE CHAMBERS WHEN THE VIOLENT MOB OF INSURRECTIONISTS STORMED THE CAPITOL AND CAUSED THEM TO GO IN HIDING.

>> EVERYONE IS FAMILIAR WITH BECAUSE OF HIS COSTUME.

WE HAD A PROTEST AT THE STATE CAPITOL, MARIA, A LITTLE MORE RESERVEED?

>> YES, RELATIVELY CALM, IF YOU'RE COMPARING TO WHAT WAS GOING ON AT THE CAPITOL.

IT WAS CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WERE ANGRY ABOUT THE ELECTION RESULTS, THEY WERE CHEERING AND SUPPORTING WHAT WAS GOING ON AT THE U.S. CAPITOL, BUT YOU DIDN'T SEE THAT SAME LEVEL OF AGGRESSION OR VIOLENCE.

AT ONE POINT THEY WERE BANGING ON A LOCKED CAPITOL DOOR TO GET IN, THEY CRACKED A WINDOW.

THEY ARE NOT DISMISSING THAT.

WHAT WE HEARD FROM PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICIALS, THAT WAS THE EXTENT OF IT, EMOTIONS WERE RUNNING HIGH.

>> AND JEREMY, TALK ABOUT WHAT THIS WAS SUPPOSEDLY ALL ABOUT, USUALLY A FORMALITY AS FAR AS ELECTORAL VOTES.

CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION, ALL VOTING AGAINST CERTIFYING ARIZONA'S ELECTORS.

TALK TO US ABOUT IT?

>> THIS IS BASED ON I THINK WHAT WE'VE SEEN OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, SPURIOUS AND BASELESS AND SOME CASES PROVABLY FALSE ALLEGATIONS ABOUT ELECTION FRAUD, SOME OF WHICH ARE NOW THE SUBJECT OF LIBEL SUITS FROM DOMINION VOTING MACHINES, THE COMPANY THAT MAKES OUR BALLOT TABULATION MACHINES.

BUT THIS WAS, THINGS LIKE IN SOME WAYS THE INEVITABLE RESULT OF TWO MONTHS OF ELECTION TRUTHERS, PEOPLE SPREADING THE LIES AND FALSEHOODS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN THE ELECTION, AND NOT GETTING A LOT OF PUSHBACK FROM WITHIN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

A LOT OF REPUBLICAN LEADERS SILENT, WHILE OTHERS HAVE BEEN FILLING THAT VACUUM WITH IDEAS, AND YOU ENDED UP WITH A VERY ANGRY MOB, I THINK GENERALLY DO BELIEVE THAT THE ELECTION WAS RIGGED AGAINST DONALD TRUMP, AND, OF COURSE, WE ALL KNOW, THAT IS NOT THE CASE, BUT I THINK A LOT OF THEM GENUINELY BELIEVE THAT, AND THE TIPPING POINT, INCITED BY THE PRESIDENT, THE SENATORS AND MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, PAUL GOSAR AND TED CRUZ, WHO ARE CONTINUING THIS ACT THEY WERE GOING TO TRY TO OVERTURN THE ELECTION, WHICH HAD NO CHANCE OF HAPPENING, BUT THEY PROCEEDED WITH IT, AND EVEN AFTER THE VIOLENT ASSAULT ON THE CAPITOL, STILL INSISTED ON VOTING AGAINST, GOSAR AND LESKO VOTING AGAINST THEIR OWN VOTERS, ARE CONTINUING TO DO THAT.

>> WELL, I WAS GOING TO MENTION, AND CONTINUING TO POINT FINGERS AND BLAME ANYONE ELSE.

THE LEFT, ANTIFA, CONGRESS, ANY OF THOSE CONTINGENTS WE HEARD FROM, YOU KNOW ELECTED AND RECENTLY ELECTED COMING STATE LAWMAKERS WHO EVEN THOUGH THEY DIDN'T OUTWARDLY CONDONE THE VIOLENCE THAT WAS HAPPENING AT THE CAPITOL, WERE PUBLICLY TAKING A POSITION OF WELL, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE A STOLEN ELECTION AND YOU DON'T LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE.

WE'RE DOUBLING, TRIPLING DOWN AFTER THIS HAPPENS.

>> I WANT TO GET TO SOME OF THE STATE LAWMAKERS IN A SECOND.

MARIA, AS FAR AS YOU HAVE BIGGS, GOSAR AND LESKO VOTING AGAINST THEIR OWN ELECTORS, THEIR OWN PUBLIC VOTE, DAVID SCHWEIKERT WAS NOT AMONG THE CROWD.

WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT THAT?

>> WITH SCHWEIKERT, THERE WERE MANY NOT THINKING HE WOULD BE AROUND PAST THIS YEAR GIVEN THE ETHICS SCANDAL HE WAS FACING AND THE VIABLE DEMOCRATIC CHALLENGER THAT -- EXCUSE ME, THAT CHALLENGED HIM IN THE ELECTION.

I THINK HE HAS NOT BEEN AS AGGRESSIVE IN TERMS OF, AS WE TALKED ABOUT, LIKE THE PAUL GOSARS OR ANDY BIGGS, IN TERMS OF QUESTIONING ELECTION RESULTS, HELD BACK, THAT ALIGNED WITH WHAT WE'VE SEEN FROM HIM, SO FAR I WASN'T PARTICULARLY SURPRISED HE DIDN'T JOIN IN THE CALL BECAUSE YOU REALLY HAD GOSAR AND BIGGS LEADING THAT CHARGE.

>> AND JEREMY, AS FAR AS THE POLITICAL FUTURES OF THOSE FOUR REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVES, HOW MUCH DOES THIS HANG ON THEM?

>> I THINK THAT REMAINS TO SEEN.

A LOT OF THE PEOPLE IN CONGRESS LINING UP TO OBJECT TO THE VOTES, THE POLITICAL CALCULUS THAT THEY RELY ON MADE IT CLEAR, THIS WAS GOING TO BE POPULAR WITH THEIR VOTERS, ESPECIALLY WITHIN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, AND WHERE OBVIOUSLY PRESIDENT TRUMP IS STILL POPULAR AMONG THAT BASE, AND I THINK THEY FIGURED THIS WAS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT THE VOTERS WOULD SUPPORT.

A LOT OF THAT MIGHT HAVE CHANGED ON WEDNESDAY WITH ATTACK ON THE CAPITOL AND THE FACT THAT THE PROTESTERS -- I DON'T WANT TO SEE PROTESTERS, INSURRECTIONISTS MURDERED A POLICE OFFICER, DIED YESTERDAY OF A HEAD INJURY HE SUFFERED.

I THINK A LOT OF WHAT HAPPENED IS GOING TO POTENTIALLY CHANGE THAT AND MAYBE NOT BE POLITICALLY REWARDING.

WE'VE ALREADY SEEN SENATOR HAWLEY FROM MISSOURI, WHO IS ONE OF THE PEOPLE LEADING THE CHARGE, SUFFERING A LOT OF POLITICAL BLOWBACK AND CONSEQUENCES.

THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE TO SEE THAT CARRY FORWARD OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS, NEXT COUPLE OF ELECTIONS.

>> MARIA, REGARDING STATE REACTION, KELLI WARD, REPRESENTATIVE MARK FINCHEM, STATE SENATOR-ELECT WENDY RODGERS COMING OUT AND NOT CONDONING BUT EXPLAINING AND, I MEAN, REALLY?

>> I MEAN, IN TERMS OF MARK FINCHEM, WE SAW HIM UPSET NOT USING THE LEAGUE AS HIS HUB DELIVERY IN D.C.

VERSUS WHAT HAPPENED ON WEDNESDAY.

THERE WAS A CONTINGENT IN TERMS OF STATE LAWMAKERS AND PARTY LEADERS LIKE KELLI WARD TO, AGAIN, TAKING THE ATTITUDE OF THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE PEOPLE DON'T FEEL HEARD.

YOU KNOW, KELLY TOWNSEND WAS CONTINUING TO BLAME THE GOVERNOR FOR NOT HEEDING CALLS FROM HER AND OTHER LAWMAKERS TO DO WHAT SHE CALLED A FULL FORENSIC AUDIT OF THE ELECTION, AND AGAIN, WE'RE POINTING FINGERS EVERYWHERE ELSE BUT WHAT ACTUALLY THEY HAD FRANKLY HELPED TO INCITE.

>> YEAH, YEAH, JEREMY WHAT DOES THIS MEAN WHEN YOU HAVE FOLKS LIKE THIS AND YOU HAVE A LEGISLATIVE SESSION THAT BEGINS ON MONDAY, THE REMOTE STATE OF THE STATE ADDRESS FROM THE GOVERNOR.

AND THE LAWMAKERS GET INTO ACTION, BUT NOW YOU GOT THE SENATE PRESIDENT KAREN FANSING, IF YOU DON'T WEAR A MASK, YOU ARE NOT PARTICIPATING.

>> KELLY TOWNSEND SAID SHE WON'T WEAR A MASK INSIDE.

SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE SHOWDOWN BETWEEN THE FIGHTING OVER COVID AND MORE RECENT FIGHTING OVER THE ELECTION STUFF.

THIS IS GOING TO BE I THINK A VERY CONTENTIOUS SESSION.

THE REPUBLICAN MAJORITIES OF BOTH CHAMBERS EXTREMELY NARROW.

WE CAN'T AFFORD TO LOSE A SINGLE VOTE ON EITHER SIDE.

BEGINS WITH THE BACKDROP WHAT HAPPENED THIS WEEK IN WASHINGTON, WHICH IS JUST THE CULMINATION OF FIGHTING OVER THIS THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS, ESPECIALLY IN THE HOUSE, WHERE YOU'VE SEEN SOME REPUBLICANS TURN AGAINST SPEAKER BOWERS AND NOT VOTE FOR HIM FOR SPEAKER BECAUSE OF HIS OPPOSITION TO INVESTIGATING THESE BOGUS ELECTION FRAUD CLAIMS, AND A LOT OF THE FOLKS ARE UNHAPPY WITH GOVERNOR DUCEY AS WELL.

I THINK WE'RE IN FOR A CONTENTIOUS SESSION.

>> CONTENTIOUS BECAUSE REPUBLICANS ARE GOING AFTER EACH OTHER VERSUS REPUBLICANS RV.D?

>> YEAH, THIS IS THE DYNAMICS FROM LAST YEAR THAT RESULTED IN FOLKS LIKE SENATOR HEATHER CARTER UNSEATED BY NANCY BARTO, FURTHER TO THE RIGHT THAN SHE WAS.

YOU ARE DEFINITELY SEEING THAT SPLIT BOTH IN TERMS OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED POSTELECTION AND WITH THE ELECTION ITSELF, BUT ALSO JUST ON OVERALL ISSUES AS WELL AS THE HANDLING OF THE PANDEMIC.

SOME SAYING SEVERAL REPUBLICAN LAWMAKERS HAVE ALREADY STARTED WORKING ON IS ESSENTIALLY TO LIMIT, RESTRICT THE GOVERNOR'S EXECUTIVE AUTHORITY IN THE CASE OF AN EXTENDED DISASTER LIKE A PANDEMIC LIKE THE ONE THAT WE'RE SEEING, AND YOU HAVE OTHER REPUBLICAN LAWMAKERS WHO, OF COURSE, WANT THE LEGISLATURE TO HAVE A ROLE IN THAT, BUT DON'T MAYBE THINK IT'S THE BEST IDEA TO CURTAIL HIS POWERS TO RESPOND TO A SITUATION LIKE THIS.

I DO THINK THAT WHEREAS IN THE PAST REPUBLICANS DIDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT TIGHT-VOTE MARGIN THAT JEREMY MENTIONED, BUT THIS YEAR THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR COALITIONS OF DEMOCRATS AND MODERATE REPUBLICANS TO FORM, ESPECIALLY AS IT COMES TO WHATEVER AGENDA GOVERNOR DUCEY MAY LAY OUT NEXT WEEK.

>> AND JEREMY, WE WRAP IT UP WITH YOU AND THE COVID SURGE.

AMID ALL THIS, ARIZONA IS THE NATIONAL, IF NOT THE WORLD HOT SPOT, AGAIN, FOR COVID-19.

NOT A GOOD LOOK FOR ARIZONA, NOT A GOOD LOOK FOR THE GOVERNOR.

>> NOT A GOOD LOOK FOR ANYONE, AND WE'RE KIND OF CARRYING ALONG IF NOTHING HAS CHANGED, WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY CHANGE LIKE IN RESTRICTIONS ON GATHERINGS, PUBLIC OR PRIVATE.

>> MARIA POLLETTA AND JEREMY DUDA, THANK YOU, BOTH.

>> THANK YOU.

>> CALVIN C. GOOD WAS PHOENIX'S LONGEST CITY COUNCILMAN, HE PASSED AWAY IN DECEMBER, "HORIZONTE" HOST JOSE CARDENAS SPOKE TO SOMEONE ABOUT GALVIN GOODE'S LEGACY.

>> GEORGE, WE LOST ONE OF OUR GREATS JUST BEFORE THE HOLIDAYS, JUST BEFORE CHRISTMAS, CALVIN GOODE, HOW DID YOU COME TO KNOW ABOUT HIM?

>> WE WERE INVOLVED IN A NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY GROUP, AND CALVIN LIVED IN THE EAST LAKE AREA AND VERY INSTRUMENTAL IN US COMING INTO FRUITION AND GETTING OURSELVES TO BE LISTENED TO BY THE CITY OF PHOENIX SERVICES AND SO FORTH.

THAT'S HOW I FIRST CAME TO KNOW HIM.

>> HE LIVED ALMOST HIS ENTIRE LIFE IN ARIZONA ABOUT THE 30 YEARS OF HIS LIFE, IT WAS A SEGREGATED ARIZONA INCLUDING ATTENDANCE AT THE PHOENIX COLORED HIGH SCHOOL, RENAMED GEORGE WASHINGTON CARVINGTON HIGH.

HOW DO YOU THINK THAT IMPACTED HIM?

>> IT MADE AN IMPACT ON HIM FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT AFTER THE SCHOOL WAS CLOSED, MANY YEARS AFTER THE SCHOOL WAS CLOSED, HE GOT THE IDEA THAT WE SHOULD MAKE THAT A GEORGE WASHINGTON CARVER MUSEUM.

HE GOT SUPPORT FROM ALL OVER THE PLACE, HE CALLED TOGETHER ALUMNI FROM GEORGE WASHINGTON CARVER AND THOSE OF US AND ORGANIZATIONS AND LEADERSHIP POSITIONS AND SO FORTH.

HE ASKED US ALL TO BE A PART OF MAKING THAT MUSEUM INTO A REALITY AND SO FORTH.

>> HE WAS ASKED ONCE HOW HE WANTED TO BE REMEMBERED, AND HE SAID REMEMBER ME AS A PERSON WHO TRIED TO DO THE BEST THING FOR PEOPLE.

NO QUESTION ABOUT WHAT HE TRIED TO DO.

TALK ABOUT HIS SUCCESSES.

>> I THINK SOME OF THE SUCCESSES HE HAD IN TERMS OF AFFIRMATIVE ACTION, IN TERMS OF COMMUNITY SERVICE, IN TERMS OF EQUALITY FOR ALL.

THE SAME LOGO THAT WE HAVE IN THE URBAN LEAGUE OF EQUALITY FOR ALL, THAT'S WHAT CALVIN BELIEVED IN, WAS EQUALITY FOR ALL, AND HE WAS ALSO A STRAIGHT SHOOTER.

HE WAS A STRAIGHT SHOOTER.

HE WAS A TRAILBLAZER.

HE WAS ONE WHO ALWAYS FOUGHT FOR THE UNSERVED AND THE UNKNOWN.

THOSE ARE THE ONES HE WORKED THE MOST ON, AND THE ONES HE MOST CARED ABOUT, IN MY OPINION.

>> I KNOW HE WAS CREDITED FOR DEVELOPING PROGRAMS FOR WOMEN AND MINORITY-OWNED BUSINESSES IN THE CITY OF PHOENIX.

PLAYED A LARGE ROLE IN GETTING PHOENIX TO PASS AN ORDINANCE THAT BUSINESSES THAT DISCRIMINATED AGAINST MINORITIES AND MEMBERS OF THE LGBTQ COMMUNITY, AND MAKING MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.

IN PHOENIX A HOLIDAY BEFORE IT WAS A HOLIDAY.

SOME OF THE ISSUES YOU DEAL WITH AS PRESIDENT AND CEO OF THE GREATER URBAN LEAGUE, TALK ABOUT THOSE INSTANCES WHERE WHAT HE WAS CHAMPIONING ALSO OVERLAPPED WITH THOSE THAT WERE IMPORTANT TO YOU AND YOUR ORGANIZATION?

>> ONE OF THE THINGS, YOU DIDN'T MENTION IT, CALVIN WAS INVOLVED IN AND THAT WAS IN HEADSTART, AND MAKING THINGS RIGHT FOR THE 3-4 AND FIVE-YEAR-OLDS IN THE CITY.

AT THE TIME HE STARTED THAT, IT WAS NOT WHERE IT IS NOW AND, OF COURSE, WE HAVE GROWN THE HEADSTART PROGRAM AND THE URBAN LEAGUE, WE WERE NOT SURE OF THE 1145 YOUNG PEOPLE, AND THAT WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED IF WE WOULD NOT HAVE HAD CALVIN GOODE AROUND IN THE EARLY YEARS IN THE 70s AND 80s AND SO FORTH, TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, IN TERMS OF AFFIRMATIVE ACTION, IN TERMS OF NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES AND SO FORTH, EAST LAKE PARK HAS GONE UNDER A REVISION AND SO FORTH THAT NEVER WOULD HAVE HAPPENED WITHOUT THE KIND OF WORK THAT CALVIN HAD PUT INTO MAKING SURE THAT HIS FELLOW COLLEAGUES AND SO FORTH UNDERSTOOD, THAT THIS IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY AND MADE IT HAPPEN.

HE NEVER SCREAMED OR HOLLERED OR STOOD ON THE TABLE AND SHOUTED AND SO FORTH, BUT HE WAS A VERY, VERY QUIETLY AND CARRIED A BIG STICK.

>> GEORGE, YOU ANSWERED MY LAST QUESTION WHICH WAS JUST ASKING FOR YOUR THOUGHTS ON WHAT PEOPLE UNIFORMLY COMMENTED ON HIS GENTLE MANNER, HIS ABILITY TO GET THINGS DONE WITHOUT BROW BEATING.

YOU ANSWERED IT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US TO TALK ABOUT CALVIN GOODE.

HE'LL BE MISSED.

>> VERY GOOD.

HE'S A TREASURE AND AN ICON AND A TRAILBLAZER.

HE'S ALL OF THOSE THINGS AND HE'S GOING TO BE SORELY MISSED.

>> A PUBLIC VIEWING HONORING THE MEMORY OF CALVIN GOODE WILL BE TOMORROW JANUARY 9 FROM NOON TO 4:00 P.M. AT THE CALVIN C. GOODE MUNICIPAL BUILDING, THERE WILL BE A VIRTUAL MEMORIAL TUESDAY JANUARY 12 AT 10:00 A.M. ♪ >> THAT IS IT FOR NOW, I'M TED SIMONS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.

FIRST OF ALL, YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN HOW YOU DEFINE CULTURAL APPROPRIATION AND PUT IT INTO CONTEXT OF LANGUAGE?

>> YEAH, IT'S VERY SIMILAR, THE DEFINITION OF CULTURAL APPROPRIATION AND LINGUISTIC APPROPRIATION IS PRETTY SIMILAR, AND LINGUISTIC APPROPRIATION IS ONE OF THE MOST COMMON FORMS OF CULTURAL APPROPRIATION.

YOU HAVE DOMINANT GROUPS AND THE NONDOMINANT GROUP, THE DOMINANT GROUP INCORPORATING PHRASES AND WORDS FROM A NONDOMINANT GROUP.

THAT'S THE STANDARD APPROPRIATION OF LINGUISTIC APPROPRIATION.

>> YOU TALK ABOUT POWER AND I ASSUME THE DOMINANT POWER WOULD BE SPEAKING ENGLISH, CORRECT?

>> YES.

>> SO HOW DO YOU SEE THIS PLAYING OUT, FOR EXAMPLE, ENGLISH SPEAKERS CULTURALLY APPROPRIATING SPANISH LANGUAGE?

>> IN THE LATIN X COMMUNITY, THIS IS A COMMON SITUATION HAPPENING HERE IN THE UNITED STATES, YOU SEE A LOT OF THE LINGUISTIC APPROPRIATION TAKING PLACE.

ONE EXAMPLE, ONE OF THE MOST COMMON EXAMPLES IS WHAT IS CALLED MOCK SPANISH.

>> WHAT IS THAT?

>> MOCK SPANISH IS INTERESTING, MOCK SPANISH IS THE MISPRONUNCIATION OF WORDS IN SPANISH.

YOU HAVE PEOPLE SAYING, YOU SEE IT A LOT IN POPULAR CULTURE AND FILMS, PEOPLE USING PHRASES LIKE NO COMPRENDO, ANOTHER IS NO PROBLEMO OR NO BUENO.

THOSE PHRASES ARE MISUSED INTENTIONALLY AND CREATING A HIERARCHY IN RELATIONS OF POWER.

TELLING THE OTHER PERSON WHEN A WHITE PERSON WHO IS FLUENT IN ENGLISH IS USING THESE PHRASES, TELLING YOU I CAN SPEAK YOUR LANGUAGE BUT INTENTIONALLY MISUSE IT AND CREATING THIS HIERARCHY AND RELATION OF POWER BETWEEN YOU AND I IN THIS CONVERSATION.

>> WELL, THAT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE YOU SEE THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE LAST ELECTION, YOU SAW WHAT WE WOULD TERM HISPANDERING, INTERSPERSING WORDS HERE AND THERE IN SPANISH IN ORDER TO PANDER TO THE LATIN X COMMUNITY OR LATINO COMMUNITY, SO I CAN THINK OF A FEW EXAMPLES, WHEN VICE PRESIDENT -- OR EXCUSE ME, PRESIDENT-ELECT BIDEN WAS IN FLORIDA, HE SAID LISTEN, EVERYBODY, HE WAS AT AN EVENT TO TARGET LATINO VOTERS AND PULLED OUT HIS PHONE AND SAID LISTEN TO THIS, AND IT WAS THAT SONG DESPACITO.

>> YES.

>> NOT A VERY GOOD SINGER.

OR YOU'LL SEE PEOPLE USE LIKE THE WORD ABUELA, HILLARY CLINTON USED IT TO INTERSPERSE THAT SPANISH WORD HERE AND THERE, AND IT WAS KIND OF FUN TO WATCH DURING THE ELECTION TO SEE THAT OVERTLY.

>> YEAH, DOING THE CODE SWITCHING, THOSE DEBATES IT WAS INTERESTING TO OBSERVE, AND THEY GOT A LOT OF CRITICISM, I HAVE TO SAY, AND THE QUESTION IS WOULD THAT WORK WITH THE LATIN X COMMUNITY HERE IN THE UNITED STATES?

AND IT ALL STARTED IN THE 60s WHEN JACKIE KENNEDY DID ONE COMMERCIAL IN SPANISH.

[SPEAKING SPANISH] >> AND THAT CREATED THIS IDEA THAT THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO KIND OF TARGET THE LATIN X COMMUNITY.

BUT THAT NOT ALWAYS WORKS, RIGHT?

WE HAVE ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF HISPANDERING MOCKING SPANISH WITH THE PHRASE USED BY PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP, CALLING LATINO MEN HOMBRES, RIGHT?

THE INTERMIX BETWEEN SPANISH AND ENGLISH TO SOME WAYS ATTACK A COMMUNITY.

>> HOW DO YOU SEE THE MUSIC PLAYING OUT?

>> GOOD YOU MENTIONED THAT, IT REMINDS ME OF THE SONG DESPACITO.

>> WHY DO YOU SAY?

>> IT'S A UNIQUE CASE, DESPACITO WAS A SONG PERFORMED BY PUERTO RICAN ARTIST AND PUERTO RICAN, LATIN POP STAR LUIS FONSE.

THE SONG WAS IN SPANISH AND OBSESSED IN THE LATIN BILLBOARD, BUT JUSTIN BIEBER ENTERED INTO THE SCENE, RIGHT?

AND IT WAS INTERESTING HOW IT WAS THROUGH JUSTIN BIEBER, SINGING THE SONG PART IN SPANISH AND PART IN ENGLISH THAT SUDDENLY IT BECAME PART OF THE MAINSTREAM POPULAR CULTURE MUSIC SCENE HERE IN THE UNITED STATES, CREATING SOME REALLY INTERESTING DEBATE AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE SAYING, OKAY, SO WE NEED AN ACTUAL WHITE PERFORMER, WHITE AMERICAN TO INDICATE THAT JUSTIN BIEBER IS FROM CANADA, BUT A WHITE MALE PERFORMER VALIDATING A SONG THAT WAS ORIGINALLY IN SPANISH, AND THAT CREATED A LOT OF TENSION, AND THEN THERE WAS THIS VIRAL VIDEO OF JUSTIN BIEBER SINGING THE SONG IN SPANISH AND HE WASN'T ABLE TO DO IT, HE WAS BUTCHERING THE SPANISH, RIGHT?

>> REALLY?

>> AGAIN, IT'S A BIG OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE WITH THAT MUSIC, WITH THAT SONG.

WHAT DOES IT MEAN?

THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I ALWAYS RECOMMEND.

PEOPLE ASK ME WELL, HOW CAN YOU AVOID LINGUISTIC APPROPRIATION?

WELL, YOU HAVE TO STUDY, YOU HAVE TO DO RESEARCH, AND YOU HAVE TO BECOME SOME SORT OF AN ETHICAL CONSUMER OF POPULAR CULTURE.

THESE KIND OF THINGS HAPPEN ON A DAILY BASIS IN THE MOST, YOU KNOW, REGULAR THING, AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT PEOPLE AND SEE THEY ARE EXHIBITING TATTOOS, HAVE YOU SEEN THAT?

HAVE YOU NOTICED THAT?

>> MY GOSH, TALK ABOUT THE TATTOOS, YOU SEE PEOPLE WITH, I DON'T KNOW, IN THE LANGUAGE OTHER THAN WHAT THEY SPEAK ON THE TATTOOS, RIGHT?

GO AHEAD.

>> THEY USE CHINESE LANGUAGE AND A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE WRITING WORDS THAT MEANS HOPE OR WISDOM BUT IN A DIFFERENT LANGUAGE, RIGHT?

>> YEAH, YEAH.

>> IT'S REALLY INTERESTING, YOU HAVE THE SITUATION WHERE PEOPLE ARE APPROPRIATING A LANGUAGE OF A CULTURE THEY WOULD NOT ACCEPT AS BEING PART OF THEIR COMMUNITY.

>> TATTOOS ARE A REALLY GREAT EXAMPLE.

YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S IN DIFFERENT LANGUAGES.

WHAT'S ANOTHER GOOD EXAMPLE?

WHAT'S THAT TERM?

>> I CAN GIVE YOU ANOTHER ONE, GOING TO A YOGA CLASS AND YOUR YOGA INSTRUCTOR TELLING YOU NAMASTE, RIGHT?

PART OF THE RELIGIOUS VERNACULAR OF THE HINDI AND YOU HAVE SOMEONE NOT OF THE CULTURE LINGUISTICALLY APPROPRIATING THAT TERM IN ORDER TO MAKE IT SOUND COOL OR LEGIT, RIGHT?

THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE SHOULD TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.

WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT FOR SOMEONE MAKING IT ILLEGITIMATE, AND CREATIONS OF POWER AND HIERARCHY.

>> FASCINATING.

WELL, WE ALWAYS KEEP TALKING ABOUT THIS STUFF.

I FIND IT REALLY, REALLY INTERESTING, AND AS USUAL, YOU'RE AMAZING, MY FRIEND, AND THANK YOU FOR BREAKING DOWN CULTURAL APPROPRIATION AND LANGUAGE.

ALWAYS A BLAST TO BE WITH YOU.

>> THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME, LISA.

>> THANK YOU.

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