TED: COMING UP IN THE NEXT HOUR OF LOCAL NEWS ON ARIZONA PBS.

ON "ARIZONA HORIZON," THE JOURNALISTS' ROUNDTABLE INCLUDES A LOOK AT, AMONG OTHER THINGS, A COURT RULING INVALIDATING THE STATE'S BAN ON MASK MANDATES.

>>> ON CRONKITE NEWS, IMMIGRANTS APPLYING TO BE U.S.

RESIDENTS HAVE MEDICAL GUIDELINES.

>>> AND ON "BREAK IT DOWN," ATHLETES AS ENTREPRENEURS.

ALL AHEAD IN THE NEXT HOUR OF PBS.

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TED: GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO "ARIZONA HORIZON," I'M TED SIMONS.

ARIZONA HIT A SOBERING COVID-19 MILESTONE, WENT OVER 20,000 MARK FOR COVID--RELATED FATALITIES AFTER 55 NEW DEATHS WERE ADDED TODAY.

THE STATE REPORTED A RELATIVELY HIGH NUMBER OF COVID CASES WITH MORE THAN 3600 ON RECORD FOR THE DAY.

THERE IS ENCOURAGING COVID NEWS FROM THE PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANY MERCK, IT WILL SEEK EMERGENCY AUTHORIZATION FOR A FIRST-OF-ITS-KIND COVID ANTIVIRAL PILL, SHOWN IN CLINICAL TRIALS TO CUT THE RISK OF HOSPITALIZATION OR DEATH IN HALF WHEN GIVEN SOON AFTER THOSE INFECTED WITH HIGH RISK.

THIS IS A BIG DEAL.

HERE'S REACTION FROM DR. ANTHONY FAUCI.

>> THE NEWS OF THE EFFICACY OF THIS PARTICULAR ANTIVIRAL IS OBVIOUSLY VERY GOOD NEWS.

THE COMPANY, WHEN THEY BRIEFED US LAST NIGHT, MENTIONED THEY WILL BE SUBMITTING THEIR DATA TO THE FDA IMMINENTLY.

THE DATA ARE IMPRESSIVE.

THERE WAS A 50% DIMINUTION OF IMPORTANCE IN THAT IN THE PLACEBO GROUP THERE WERE EIGHT DEATHS AND THE TREATMENT GROUP, NO DEATHS.

THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT AND GOOD NEWS.

TED: FAUCI EMPHASIZED THAT DESPITE THIS GOOD NEWS IT'S IMPORTANT TO GET AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE FULLY VACCINATED.

>> PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT FULLY VACCINATED ARE EIGHT TIMES MORE LIKELY TO TEST POSITIVE, 41 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO BE HOSPITALIZED, AND 57 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO DIE, COMPARED TO PEOPLE WHO ARE VACCINATED.

TED: ONE MORE NOTE, U.S. SUPREME COURT JUSTICE BRETT KAVANAUGH HAS TESTED POSITIVE FOR COVID.

IT'S A BREAKTHROUGH CASE, HE WAS VACCINATED WITH THE OTHER JUSTICES.

KAVANAUGH IS REPORTEDLY NOT EXPERIENCING SYMPTOMS.

19 DAYS BEFORE THE HIGH COURT BEGINS A NEW TERM.

AND SENATOR KYRSTEN SINEMA BACK IN ARIZONA FOR A DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT, AND HAS A FUND-RAISER SCHEDULED IN TOWN.

THE SENATOR IS CONTINUING CONVERSATIONS WITH THE WHITE HOUSE ON THE ADMINISTRATION'S SPENDING PACKAGE WHICH SINEMA OPPOSES IN CURRENT FIRM.

THE OPPOSITION IS PUTTING AN INFRASTRUCTURE PACKAGE IN JEOPARDY.

PRESIDENT BIDEN WAS ASKED FOR AN UPDATE ON BOTH BILLS.

>> I'M TELLING YOU WE'RE GOING TO GET THIS DONE.

>> WHEN?

>> IT DOESN'T MATTER WHEN, WHETHER IT'S BEEN SIX MINUTES, SIX DAYS OR SIX WEEKS.

WE'RE GOING TO GET IT DONE.

TED: AND TIME NOW FOR THE JOURNALISTS' ROUNDTABLE, AND FOR A LOOK AT SOME OF THE WEEK'S TOP STORIES, WE WELCOME HOWIE FISCHER OF CAPITOL MEDIA SERVICES, AND LAURIE ROBERTS OF "THE ARIZONA REPUBLIC."

GOOD TO HAVE YOU BOTH HERE.

LET'S GET THINGS STARTED WITH THE COURT CASE.

THE COURT RULING, HOWIE, THE BAN ON MASK MANDATES DIDN'T RULE ON THAT BAN, DID THEY IN THE COURT SAID IT'S THE WAY YOU PASSED THE BILL.

>> EXACTLY.

LAWMAKERS USE BUDGET RECONCILIATION BILL, SOUNDS VERY IMPRESSIVE AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

WHAT THIS IS A CHRISTMAS TREE IN SOME CASES.

CONSTITUTION SAYS ONLY THING THAT CAN BE IN THE ACTUAL BUDGET ARE NUMBERS.

WHAT THE BUDGET RECONCILIATION BILL IS SUPPOSED TO DO IS PUT INTO EFFECT THE POLICY CHANGES.

LET'S SAY IN THE BUDGET BILL YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT SAYS WE'RE GOING TO SPEND $3 MILLION ON NEW SCHOOLS, WHAT THE BUDGET RECONCILIATION BILL MIGHT SAY IS WHERE THE SCHOOLS ARE GOING TO BE OR THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.

WHAT THEY PILED IN THERE, HOWEVER, IS EVERYTHING FROM THE MASK MANDATE.

THE BAN ON CRITICAL RACE THEORY.

A REDEFINITION OF NEWSPAPERS.

QUESTIONS OF WHO CAN ORDER VACCINES, RESTRICTIONS ON CITIES.

AND A LOT OF THIS WAS DONE TO CORRAL VOTES, AND WHAT JUDGE COOPER SAID IS THAT, NO, THE ARIZONA CONSTITUTION SAYS TWO THINGS.

ONE, ALL BILLS SHALL BE LIMITED TO ONE SUBJECT, AND TWO, THE TITLE HAS TO REFLECT WHAT'S IN THERE SO PEOPLE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.

TED: LAURIE, THE LEGISLATURE SAYS THIS IS HOW WE DO THINGS NOW.

YOU CAN'T CHANGE THIS?

>> IT IS.

THEY PASS THINGS WITHOUT PUBLIC INPUT, WITHOUT PUBLIC HEARINGS AND WITHOUT UP-OR-DOWN VOTE.

PART OF THE THINGS PASSED AS PART OF THE RECONCILIATION BILLS WERE ITEMS THAT COULD NOT PASS IF THEY HAD TO PASS THEM AS STAND ALONE BILLS.

THEY SHOVE THEM INTO THE RECONCILIATION BILL, AND AS HOWIE SAID, IT'S A CHRISTMAS TREE OF THINGS THAT THIS JUDGE SAID, IT MAY BE LEGAL FOR YOU TO DO THESE THINGS BUT DIDN'T DO IT IN THE PROPER WAY, SO I'M TOSSING THEM OUT.

WHAT'S INTERESTING TO ME IS DUCEY FIRED BACK AT HER VERY ANGRY, CALLED HER A ROGUE JUDGE.

THIS IS A JUDGE APPOINTED BY JAN BREWER, REPUBLICAN PREDECESSOR.

REPUBLICANS ARE HAVING A FIT ABOUT THIS, BUT, IN FACT, IT SHOULD CHANGE THE WAY THE LEGISLATURE DOES BUSINESS.

TED: I WANT TO GET BACK TO THAT IN A SECOND.

HOWIE, THE SUPREME COURT WAS ASKED TO GET INVOLVED, THEY SAID NOT YET.

>> IGNORING THE FACT THAT THE PURPOSE OF A STAY IS TO KEEP THE STATUS QUO.

WELL, THE STATUS QUO IS THE LAWS HAVEN'T TAKEN EFFECT.

ANOTHER IMPORTANT POINT HERE AND LAURIE TOUCHED ON IT IN TERMS OF THE GOVERNOR TALKING ABOUT ROGUE JUDGES.

HERE'S THE THING, WHAT THE GOVERNOR SAID IS THE LEGISLATURE GETS TO DECIDE WHAT THEY NEED TO DO AND COURTS CAN'T TELL THEM THAT.

WHAT PART OF MARBURY V. MADISON DOES HE NOT UNDERSTAND?

THAT'S SAYING THE EXECUTIVE GETS TO DECIDE WHAT HE WANTS TO DO AND THE COURTS CAN'T TELL HIM.

NO, THE COURTS DECIDE WHAT IS CONSTITUTIONAL.

THIS IS A CONSTITUTIONAL MANDATE, AND SOMEHOW, THE GOVERNOR AND HIS CHUTZPAH DECIDED, WELL, NEVER MIND.

TED: BACK TO YOUR POINT, LAURIE, HOW THINGS CHANGE AT THE LEGISLATURE REGARDING THIS RULING AND HOW THINGS HAD BEEN DONE AND BETTER BE DONE FROM NOW ON.

>> YEAH, I THINK THAT THE WAY WE ALL LEARNED IN MIDDLE SCHOOL CIVICS CLASS IS THAT A BILL IS PROPOSED, EVERYBODY KNOWS IT'S PROPOSED.

THERE'S A NOTICE THAT GOES BEFORE A COMMITTEE, A PUBLIC HEARING SO WE CAN ALL GIVE INPUT INTO THAT.

LEGISLATORS ARE SUPPOSED TO NOT MAKE DECISIONS UNTIL AFTER THAT GET THE PUBLIC INPUT.

I KNOW IT'S LIKE FANTASY LAND, AND THEY VOTE ON IT, AND IT GOES UP OR DOWN, IF IT GOES DOWN, IT GOES DOWN, YOU DON'T BRING THE IDEAS BACK AND JAM THEM INTO A BILL AND SAY VOTE FOR THIS OR ELSE YOU CAN'T GET ALL THESE THINGS OVER HERE.

THEY'RE DISCARDING THE IDEA OF LET'S DEBATE THE ISSUE, THE MERITS OF THE PROS AND CONS AND HAVE A PUBLIC PROCESS, AND I'M HOPEFUL AT THE END OF THIS PROCESS, THAT'S THE WAY IT WILL HAVE TO BE.

>> I THINK LAURIE HAS BEEN WATCHING SCHOOLHOUSE ROCK AND I'M JUST A BILL ON CAPITOL HILL.

>> I LIKE THAT ARIZONA BILL GUY.

>> AGAIN, THAT'S THE PROCESS, THE LEGISLATORS CAN'T SAY THEY WEREN'T WARNED.

TWO DECADES AGO KEN BENNETT AND JANET NAPOLITANO WAS GOVERNOR, AND REVIEWED THAT AND SAID ON THE BUDGET RECONCILIATION BILLS, YOU CANNOT DO IT THAT WAY.

THEY GAVE THEM FAIR WARNING AND CONTINUE TO DO IT, AND THIS YEAR WAS JUST THE WORST, AND THIS FINALLY DROVE FOLKS OVER THE EDGE.

TED: QUICKLY BEFORE WE MOVE ON, THIS CHANGES THE DISTRICT'S HANDLING OF MASK MANDATES MUCH?

THOSE WHO HAD IT KEEP IT?

ARE OTHER PEOPLE FOLLOWING LINE?

>> DISTRICTS THAT WERE PLANNING ON GETTING RID OF IT AS OF SEPTEMBER 29 BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT TO END UP ON THE WRONG END OF A LAWSUIT SAID WE'RE GOING TO KEEP IT.

TED: LAURIE, A FLAT TAX WAS A BIG DEAL, IT MADE IT THROUGH.

SIGNATURES WERE 6-5 TO MAKE IT A BIG DEAL, LET THE VOTERS DECIDE, HUH?

>> REFERENDUMS ARE A TOUGH THING, IT'S A SIGNATURE CAMPAIGN TO GET A NUMBER OF VOTES FROM VOTERS WHO WANT TO VETO WHAT THE LEGISLATURE DID.

DID IT A COUPLE YEARS AGO WITH SCHOOL VOUCHER EXPANSION AND HERE WE ARE AGAIN WITH YET ANOTHER SIGNATURE PROGRAM OF THE GOVERNOR.

IN THIS CASE, THE FLAT TAX, MARKED AS A TAX CUT FOR EVERYONE, I SUPPOSE IT IS IF YOU'RE A LOWER INCOME PERSON OR MIDDLE INCOME PERSON, YOU GET ENOUGH OF A TAX CUT TO GIVE YOU DINNER FOR TWO AT McDONALD'S ONCE A YEAR OR SO.

IF YOU HAPPEN TO BE BLESSED WITH A SIX-FIGURE INCOME, YOU ARE PROBABLY GOING TO GET A LOT MORE OUT OF IT, LIKE A LOT, A LOT, A LOT MORE.

SO THIS WAS ALL DONE TO GET -- TO BASICALLY HOLD WEALTHY PEOPLE HARMLESS FROM PROP 208, THE INCOME TAX INCREASE FOR THE WEALTHY.

THIS IS THE RESPONSE TO THAT, NOW GETTING THE RESPONSE TO THE RESPONSE, WHICH IS NOT SO FAST.

AND THEY GOT AN IMPRESSIVE 215,000 SIGNATURES.

I THINK THEY NEEDED 118,000?

CONVENTIONAL WISDOM SAYS THEY HAVE ENOUGH SIGNATURES, BUT I LOOK FOR GOVERNOR DUCEY AND THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY TO MOUNT A VIGOROUS COURT CHALLENGE AND LOOK AT EVERY SINGLE SIGNATURE TO GET IT THROWN OFF THE BALLOT.

>> EXACTLY, THEY'RE GOING TO SAY THE MARGINS WEREN'T RIGHT OR THIS PERSON'S SIGNATURE DIDN'T MATCH OR DIDN'T PROPERLY EXPLAIN THE MEASURE TO PEOPLE OR MISLED PEOPLE, AND A SEPARATE CHALLENGE BY THE ARIZONA FREE ENTERPRISE CLUB, THE CONSERVATIVE BUSINESS ORIENTED ORGANIZATION THAT SAYS PEOPLE DON'T GET TO VOTE ON TAX MEASURES.

THERE IS A PRECEDENT THAT SAYS YOU CANNOT REFER TAX INCREASES TO THE BALLOT.

THAT'S BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO PARALYZE GOVERNMENT.

BUT TO SUGGEST THAT YOU CAN'T REFER A TAX DECREASE OF THE BALLOT WHICH WOULD LEAVE THE STATE WITH MORE MONEY THAN IT HAD, I DON'T THINK WILL HOLD WATER.

>> IT'S ALSO A REFERENDUM SO THAT STATE LAW HASN'T TAKEN EFFECT, WHERE IT'S ESSENTIALLY TRYING TO SAY WE DON'T WANT THAT LAW TO TAKE EFFECT.

I DON'T SEE HOW THEY CAN COUCH IT THAT WAY.

I THINK WHAT THEY WILL SEE IS A HUGE IMPACT ON THE GOVERNOR'S RACE AND THE OTHER RACES IF THIS IS ON THE BILL.

REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO SAY LOOK AT DEMOCRATS, PRO-TAX INCREASE AND THE DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO SAY, REPUBLICANS WANT TO CUT TAXES FOR THE WEALTHY, AND WILL HAVE AN IMPACT.

WHAT KIND OF IMPACT WILL BE DIFFICULT.

TED: WHAT KIND OF IMPACT DOES IT HAVE ON OTHER ASPECTS OF THE BALLOT?

>> I THINK A LOT.

THE GOVERNOR'S PRESS AIDE WAS TRYING TO SELL IT TO ME, PUTTING A TAX INCREASE ON THE BALLOT.

NO!

THE CHAMBER TRIED THE SAME THING.

NO.

IT WOULD BE A SIMPLE ISSUE.

YOU HAVE TO TELL PEOPLE WHERE ARE YOU ON THE CHARTS?

IF I'M RUNNING THE NO CAMPAIGN, I SAY, IF YOU'RE MAKING $25,000 A YEAR, YOU KNOW WHAT THE TAX BREAK OUT OF THIS IS?

$11.

YOU'RE MAKING 250,000, IT'S $3,000.

THE GOVERNOR IS TALKING ABOUT THE $300 AVERAGE TAX CUT.

TED: RIGHT.

>> I THINK WHAT HAPPENS IS PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GO, IT'S GOING TO BE ON THE BALLOT AT THE SAME TIME BIDEN MIDTERM AND THAT AFFECTS THINGS, PEOPLE WILL SAY YOU TRIED TO PULL THIS ONE ON US, NOT ONLY ARE WE GOING TO VOTE THIS DOWN, MAYBE GET RID OF SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO PUSHED IT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

TED: LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT BALLOT, KARI LAKE GOT A BIG ENDORSEMENT.

SOME GUY NAMED DONALD TRUMP SAID HE'S HERS.

>> THAT'S THE BIG ENDORSEMENT, THE BIG GET FOR ANY REPUBLICAN IN 2022, AND IF YOU DIDN'T THINK IT WAS, WITNESS MATT SALMON'S RESPONSE.

HE WAS SIZZLING ANGRY WITH THIS.

CAME OUT ON THE ATTACK AGAINST KARI LAKE AND SAID IN THIS CASE, LOVE PRESIDENT TRUMP, BUT HE'S JUST WRONG.

HE MISSED THE BANK ON THE TRUE MAGA CANDIDATE.

WHAT'S INTERESTING TO ME HERE IS AT SOME POINT THE REST OF THE CANDIDATES IN THE RACE HAVE TO DECIDE DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU SAY, THE MAGA CROWD IS GOING WITH KARI LAKE.

WHAT YOU NEED TO DO, WHAT SOME CANDIDATE NEEDS TO DO IS STEP UP AND SAY IF KARI LAKE AND THE TRUMP-ENDORSED CANDIDATE IS ON THE GENERAL ELECTION, THERE'S A GREAT CHANCE THAT KATIE HOBBS WILL BE OUR NEXT GOVERNOR.

DO WE WANT THIS?

APPROACH THE -- GO AWAY FROM DONALD TRUMP AND TRY TO BRING REPUBLICANS BACK TO THE REALM OF SANITY.

IS IT GOING TO BE IRRELEVANT?

>> HAVE YOU SEEN THE FIELD OF REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES?

>> I HAVEN'T, THAT'S MY POINT.

TED: WHAT DOES IT DO TO THAT FIELD?

>> I THINK LAURIE IS RIGHT.

IF ONE PERSON STANDS OUT, ASSUMING THAT EVERYBODY IS GOING AFTER THE MAGA CROWD, THE TRUMP CROWD AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

IF ONE PERSON STANDS OUT AND MAKES THE POINT THAT LAURIE WANTS TO MAKE IS DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A POINT OR WANT TO WIN ELECTIONS?

THAT CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

IF YOU HAVE A FIVE OR SIX WAY RACE DEPENDING HOW IT SHAKES OUT.

SOMEBODY WITH 20% OF THE VOTE, 25% OF THE REPUBLICAN VOTE BECOMES THE NOMINEE.

TED: AND THIS ENDORSEMENT, THE FORMER PRESIDENT DID TAKE ANOTHER SHOT AT GOVERNOR DUCEY, QUOTE, SHE WILL DO A FAR BETTER JOB THAN RHINO GOVERNOR DUCEY.

IT WON'T EVEN BE A CONTEST.

WHAT DOES THAT DO TO THE DYNAMIC?

>> THE FUNNY THING ABOUT THAT IS RHINO DOUG DUCEY DIDN'T BECOME RHINO DOUG DUCEY UNTIL HAIL TO THE CHIEF PLAYED ON HIS PHONE AS HE WAS CERTIFYING THE ARIZONA ELECTION RESULTS.

MONTHS AND YEARS EARLIER, DOUG DUCEY WAS HIGHLY COMPLIMENTED BY THIS PRESIDENT.

IT'S TOUGH.

IT'S WHAT HE DOES.

HE TAKES A SHOT ANY TIME HE CAN.

>> I FOLLOWED UP WITH SOME QUESTIONS FOR KARI LAKE, POST-ENDORSEMENT, I SAID DO YOU BELIEVE DOUG DUCEY IS A RHINO?

SHE WASN'T WILLING TO GO THAT FAR, HE CLOSED DOWN SCHOOLS, HE CLOSED DOWN BUSINESSES, MASK MANDATES, ALL OF THAT, WHICH OCCURRED BEFORE MAYBE THE OLD DOUG DUCEY, SHE IS TRYING TO DISTANCE HERSELF FROM DUCEY.

TED: I THINK DUCEY IS RELATIVELY POPULAR AMONG REPUBLICANS, YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL IF YOU THROW HIM UNDER THE BUS IN YOUR CAMPAIGN.

>> KARI LAKE SAID I DON'T KNOW THEY WANT TO PUT HIM IN THAT CAMP DESPITE WHAT MY LORD AND MASTER SAID.

TED: LAURIE, WRAP IT UP, SENATOR KYRSTEN SINEMA AT ODDS WITH JUST ABOUT EVERY DEMOCRAT WHO WALKS THE EARTH HERE.

WHAT'S GOING ON?

>> A PROGRESSIVE WING OF THE PARTY DISCOVERED THAT KYRSTEN SINEMA ISN'T ALL THAT PROGRESSIVE, NOR WAS SHE EVER, NOR HAS SHE PORTRAYED HERSELF TO BE.

THE INTERESTING THING HERE IS THAT IN ARIZONA, DEMOCRATS HAVE ALWAYS KNOWN THAT, MORE AND MORE MODERATE DEMOCRATS SEEM TO BE DISGUSTED WITH HER, WONDERING WHATS THAT HAPPENED TO KYRSTEN SINEMA?

AND I DON'T THINK HER LEAVING WASHINGTON THIS WEEK, AND I KNOW SHE HAS A FOOT PROBLEM BECAUSE OF HER ATHLETIC CAREER, AND HAD A DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT, BUT I DON'T THINK IT PLAYS WELL TO ATTEND A HOITY-TOITY FUND-RAISER AT AN ARIZONA RESORT TOMORROW NIGHT WHILE OTHERS ARE IN WASHINGTON TRYING TO REACH AN ANSWER ON THIS BILL.

I DON'T THINK IT HELPS HER, BUT I THINK IT DOESN'T MATTER, REALLY, BECAUSE WHERE DO DEMOCRATS HAVE TO GO.

THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT PRIMARIES, THEY'RE GOING TO PRIMARY THE FIRST DEMOCRAT IN 30 YEARS TO WIN A SENATE SEAT TO PUT UP A MORE LIBERAL CANDIDATE TO RUN AGAINST A REPUBLICAN?

>> BUT IT COMES DOWN, LAURIE, AND YOU KNOW THIS, THE TRUTH IN ADVERTISING.

YOU'RE RIGHT, DO PEOPLE READ INTO KIRSTEN WHAT THEY THINK THEY READ?

THIS IS A WOMAN WHO IS A LEGISLATOR, CALLED HERSELF A PRADA SOCIALIST AND GAVE -- TO BELIEVE, YOU BELIEVE ABOUT ME WHAT YOU WANT TO BELIEVE.

I THINK WHAT'S GOING TO GET REAL INTERESTING FOR HER IS NOT THIS ISSUE, BUT ASSUMING THAT THE SUPREME COURT GETS INTO ROE V. WADE AND CONGRESS NEEDS TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT ABORTION BUT THEY CAN'T BECAUSE OF THE FILIBUSTER.

SHE IS VERY CLEAR ON ISSUES OF THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE, IS SHE WILLING TO BUST THE FILIBUSTER FOR A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE?

TED: WE'LL HAVE TO STOP IT RIGHT THERE.

HOWIE FISCHER AND LAURIE ROBERTS, GREAT CONVERSATION AS ALWAYS.

APPRECIATE IT.

>>> AND UP NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON," A LOOK AT 75 YEARS OF SPANISH DANCE IN THE STATE IN OUR CONTINUING COVERAGE OF HISPANIC HERITAGE MONTH.

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TED: SPANISH DANCE HAS BECOME A MAIN STAY OF ANNUAL PROGRAMMING AT THE SCOTTSDALE CENTER FOR PERFORMING ARTS, AND THIS YEAR A FLAMENCO INTIMO WILL TRACE FLAMENCO DANCING IN ARIZONA.

WE CAUGHT UP WITH JULIO CHACON.

>> THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TO TALK ABOUT FLAMENCO, WHICH IS, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, YOURS IS THE ONLY FLAMENCO REPERTOIRE AREA IN THE STATE OR WHAT?

>> IN THE VALLEY, AND YES, IN THE STATE, THERE IS NOT ANOTHER FLAMENCO REPERTOIRE COMPANY.

>> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SPANISH DANCE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SPAIN, IT GIVES BACKGROUND HOW THIS CAME TO BE.

>> OF COURSE, FLAMENCO IS AN ARTFORM FROM THE SOUTH OF SPAIN AND CAME TO BE IN THE WAY THAT WE RECOGNIZE IT TODAY IN THE MID 1800s.

FLAMENCO'S ROOTS ARE MUCH, MUCH DEEPER THAN THAT.

IT RUNS BACK TO THE TIME OF THE INQUISITION WHEN THE 60s, THE ARABIC PEOPLE SEE THAT AFRICAN CULTURES WERE ALL TOGETHER IN THE SOUTH OF SPAIN UNDER HEAVY PERSECUTION FROM THE SPANISH CROWN AND FROM THE CATHOLIC POWERS, SO THOSE CULTURES WERE FORCED TO COME TOGETHER AND THROUGH THAT EXCHANGE OF MUSIC AND FUSION, THE POWER OF FLAMENCO WAS FORMED THROUGH THAT OPPRESSION.

FLAMENCO IS REALLY AN ART OF RESILIENCE AND RESISTANCE AND ALSO A VERY MULTICULTURAL ARTFORM.

IN THE YEARS THAT SPAIN CONTROLLED MUCH OF THE NEW WORLD, ALL OF THE TRADE FROM THE NEW WORLD CAME INTO SPAIN THROUGH SEVILLA, A PORT TOWN WHERE FLAMENCO WAS BORN, A LOT OF THE MUSICAL EXCHANGE THAT OCCURRED FROM THE NEW WORLD TO SPAIN HAPPENED RIGHT THERE IN SEVILLA AND DEEPLY INFLUENCED FLAMENCO.

ONE OF THE FIRST FLAMENCO FORMS TO BE PERFORMED IS A JUAHITA.

>> YOU STARTED LEARNING FLAMENCO IN YOUR NATIVE STATE OF NEW MEXICO?

>> I ACTUALLY STARTED LEARNING FLAMENCO HERE IN ARIZONA.

>> OKAY.

>> BORN IN NEW MEXICO, BUT MY PARENTS MOVED HERE WHEN I WAS ABOUT SIX MONTHS OLD.

SO I GREW UP HERE IN THE VALLEY AND LEARNED FROM LYDIA TRAYA IN PHOENIX.

I DID DANCE FOR A VERY LONG TIME IN SANTA FE AND ALBUQUERQUE.

>> AND YOU STARTED YOUR COMPANY IN 2008?

>> THAT'S RIGHT, IN SANTA FE.

>> TALK ABOUT RIGHT NOW WHAT'S GOING ON?

SOMETHING EXCITING GOING ON AT THE SCOTTSDALE PERFORMING CENTER FOR THE ARTS.

>> THIS IS MY FOURTH YEAR ON THE SEASON PROGRAMMING AT SCOTTSDALE PERFORMING CENTER FOR THE ARTS AND SHOWS ARE OCTOBER 8, 9, 15, 16, 17, 29 AND 30 OF OCTOBER, AND IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT, I'VE ALSO CO-CURATED AN EXHIBITION, A HISTORICAL ARCHIVE AND EXPLORATION OF THE LIVING HISTORY OF SPANISH DANCE IN ARIZONA, AND THAT HIGHLIGHTS THE FOUR PRIMARY FOUNDERS OF SPANISH DANCE HERE IN THE VALLEY THAT PERFORMED EXTENSIVELY IN THE MID 20th CENTURY AND HAS ARTIFACTS FROM THEIR CAREERS AS WELL AS BIOGRAPHICAL INFORMATION AND TONS OF PHOTOGRAPHS OUTSIDE OF THE SMALL THEATER.

THE SPACE IS CALLED THE ART REACH SPACE AND OUTSIDE OF STAGE TWO RIGHT THERE IN THE SCOTTSDALE CENTER FOR PERFORMING ARTS.

>> AND PROJECT OF LEARNING INNOVATION BRANCH OF THE CENTER, IS THAT RIGHT?

>> THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT.

I DISCUSSED THIS IDEA THAT I HAD FOR HONORING AND SHOWCASING THESE ARTISTS THAT CONTRIBUTED SO MUCH TO ARIZONA CULTURE AND HISTORY AND TAUGHT COUNTLESS NUMBERS OF DANCERS, AND I DISCUSSED IT WITH ABBY MESMER, THE PROGRAMMING DIRECTOR, AND SHE CONNECTED ME AND I GOT TO WORK WITH BRITTANY ARNOLD, A WONDERFUL CURATOR THERE, AND WE PUT TOGETHER A SHOW THEY FEEL LIKE REALLY HONORS THESE ARTISTS THAT HAVE GIVEN SO MUCH TO ARIZONA.

>> I'M SURE ALL OF THE PERFORMANCES ARE SPECIAL AND EXCITING TO WATCH, BUT THE LAST TWO, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, WILL BE FOLLOWED BY Q&A?

>> THAT'S CORRECT.

ALL OF THE PERFORMANCES WILL BE SPECIAL AND HONORING THESE ARTISTS, BUT THE LAST TWO, OCTOBER 29 AND 30, I'LL BE BRINGING IN SOME ARTISTS THAT STUDIED WITH THESE FOUR FOUNDERS, AND, OF COURSE, I DID TOO BECAUSE I STITTED WITH LYDIA, BUT I'LL BE BRINGING IN TWO OTHER ARTISTS THAT STUDIED WITH THESE FOUNDERS IN ORDER TO HONOR THEIR LEGACY, AND WE'LL BE JOINED BY LYDIA WHO IS A WONDERFUL PERFORMER WHO CAN STILL JOIN US TODAY.

>> WE'RE ALMOST OUT OF TIME, JULIA, I WANTED TO ASK YOU A PROGRAM FROM NEW YORK, LAUNCHED BY SOMEBODY YOU WORKED WITH, WAS YOUR FORMER BOSS, CARLOTA SANTANA?

>> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> TELL US ABOUT THAT.

>> IT IS A SERIES ON ARTISTS THAT TOURED WITH CARLOTA SANTANA FLAMENCO VIVO AND WHERE THEY ARE NOW AND THE DIRECTORS IN THEIR OWN RIGHT AND CHOREOGRAPHERS AND HAVE THEIR OWN COMPANIES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.

I THINK I HAVE A LINK TO IT ON MY WEBSITE ON THE MEDIA PAGE.

>> SOUNDS EXCITING.

JULIA CHACON, FOUNDER OF FLAMENCO THEATRE, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME.

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TED: AND THAT IS IT FOR NOW.

I'M TED SIMONS.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.