>> Ted: HOW YOGA CAN HELP THOSE STRUGGLING WITH ADDICTION.

WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

I'M ARIZONA REPUBLICAN PARTY CHAIR KELLY WARD REPEATEDLY PLEADED THE FINAL TO AVOID ANSWERING QUESTIONS FROM JANUARY 6th SELECT COMMITTEE AND THEY SAID WARD, QUOTE, DECLINED TO ANSWER ON ANY SUBSTANTIVE QUESTION AND NOT REVEALED WHEN THE DEPOSITION TOOK PLACE AND WAS INSTRUCTED TO APPEAR ON THE 8th.

THEY WANT ACCESS TO WARD'S PHONE RECORDS.

WARD, A MEDICAL DOCTOR, REFUSED, CITING POSSIBLE IDENTIFICATION OF PATIENTS.

AN ATTORNEY FOR WARD SAYS THE COMMITTEE'S PROBE COULD, QUOTE, BEING WORSE THAN THE RIOT.

>>> THEY SHOW A GREATER THAN EXPECTED IN JOB OPENINGS AND OPENINGS DOWN BY A MILLION AVAILABLE POSITIONS COMPARED TO JULY AND THAT'S THE LOWEST SINCE JUNE OF 2021 AND HIRING, QUITTING AND LAY-OFFS ARE STEADY AND THE REPORT TO A SLOWING LABOR MARKET WHICH MEANS INFLATION COULD CONSISTENTLY FALL IN THE COMING MONTHS.

ALL OF WHICH HELP TO PUSH WALL STREET TO ANOTHER SHARP GAIN EXPECTAND THEDOW IS UP 1500 POINTS IN THE PAST TWO DAYS AND THE S&P 500 JUMPED 3.1%, BEST SHOWING SINCE MAY OF 2020.

>>> TIME NOW TO HEAR FROM ONE OF THE CANDIDATES RUNNING TO REPRESENT ARIZONA'S FIRST CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT AND WE SHOULD NOTE MULTIPLE ATTEMPTS TO CONTACT CONGRESSMAN SCHWEIKWERT.

>> TED, I APPRECIATE BEING HERE.

>> Ted: YOU'RE RUNNING AGAINST A LONG-TIME INCUMBENT.

WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS?

>> I'M AN ARIZONA NATIVE AND BORN IN THE GREAT STATE.

MY MOTHER RAISED MY BROTHER AND I BY HERSELF AND HARD WORK, PERSEVERANCE AND TIMES WERE NOT EASY.

AFFORDABLE HOUSING, FOOD STAMPS AND DIDN'T HAVE A CAR THROUGH SOPHOMORE IN HIGH SCHOOL.

I CAME OUT AS A YOUNG BUSINESS EXECUTIVE.

I SHARE ALL OF THIS BECAUSE MY STORY IS NOT UNIQUE AND THE AMERICAN STORY.

I GOT MY OPPORTUNITY AND I'LL FIGHT EVERY DAY FOR EVERY PERSON IN ARIZONA AND EVERY AMERICAN.

>> Ted: DO YOU THINK THE INCUMBENT IS NOT FIGHTING FOR EVERY AMERICAN?

>> HE'S BEHOLDEN TO SPECIAL INTERESTS.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE VOTING INTEREST OF DAVID SCHWEIKERT, HE WOULD DELIVERED TO BIPARTISAN INFRASTRUCTURE PACKAGE AND THE BIPARTISAN INFLATION REDUCTION ACT AND THE LIST GOES ON AND ON.

>> Ted: YOU'VE CALLED HIM CORRUPT AND WHY?

>> WELL, WHEN YOU HAVE SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN CONVICTED OR I SHOULD SAY WITH BETTER TERMS FOUND GUILTY AND VIOLATED, 11 ETHICAL STANDARDS AND ACCORDING TO HIS PIERS, CENSURED BY PEERS FOR THE ABUSE OF CAMPAIGN DOLLARS AND FRAUDULENT LOANS, FIRST-CLASS TRAVEL, SUPER BOWL TICKETS AND CAN BE TRUSTED TO MANAGE HIS OWN MONEY.

>> Ted: HOW MUCH WAS HIM AND HOW MUCH WAS HIS STAFF?

>> REGARDLESS OF ITS HIM OR STAFF, THE BUCK STARTS WITH HIM AND HIS ORGANIZATION AND TAKING DIRECTIVE FROM THAT INDIVIDUAL.

>> Ted: LET'S GET TO ISSUES AND WE'LL START WITH IMMIGRATION.

IS THERE A CRISIS AT THE BORDER?

>> ONE OF THE THINGS I BELIEVE IS THAT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE ISSUE WITH THE PROPER LENSE.

WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT IMMIGRATION, THERE ARE TWO BUCKETS WITH REGARDS TO THE CONCEPT.

YOU HAVE BORDER SECURITY AND I WHOLE HEARTEDLY BELIEVE WE NEED TO DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO SUPPORT OUR LOCAL ENFORCEMENT ON THE GROUND, INCREASE INVESTMENTS SO THAT OUR BORDERS CAN STAY SECURE AND WITH REGARDS TO IMMIGRATION, RIGHT.

IMMIGRATION, WE NEED TO THINK THROUGH, HOW DO WE HAVE A MODERNIZED SYSTEM AND HOW DO WE GOVERNOR A 21st PROCESS.

TAXPAYERS CONTRIBUTE TO AMERICAN SOCIETY AND LAW ABIDING PROCESS.

>> Ted: IS THERE A CRISIS AT THE BORDER?

>> I BELIEVE ENFORCEMENT ON THE GROUND AND DOING THEIR JOBS AND WHAT WE NEED TO TO AS LAWMAKERS AND WHEN I'M IN UNITED STATES CONGRESS, I'LL MAKE SURE THEY GET THE RESOURCES THEY NEED AND DESERVE TO KEEP OUR BORDERS SAFE.

>> Ted: I ASK THE QUESTION BECAUSE REPUBLICANS IN GENERAL, THEY ARE SAYING THERE'S A CRISIS AND THE FENTANYL IS COMING IN AND PEOPLE COMING IN AND THE CRIME, THE WHOLE NINE YARDS.

THEY LIST A BUNCH OF STUFF AND THEY'RE SAYING THERE'S A CRISIS AT THE BORDER AND DOESN'T THINK YOU SAY IT'S SO BAD.

>> WHAT THE REPUBLICANS ARE DOING IS TRYING TO SCARE AMERICANS TO BELIEVE IN SOMETHING THAT MAY NOT BE REALITY.

I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULDN'T SUPPORT OUR LOCAL ENFORCEMENT.

WE NEED MORE SECURITY BUT THE REPUBLICAN NARRATIVE IN THIS MOMENT IS TO INVOKE FEAR TO BELIEVE SOMETHING.

>> Ted: YOU'RE LOOKING FOR MEANINGFUL REFORM THAT REDUCING RED TAPE, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN.

>> WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE INITIATIVES THAT ARE IN PLACE RIGHT NOW, THE OPPORTUNITIES, HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A PROCESS THAT IS ONE RIGOROUS BUT TWO, DILIGENT, RIGHT, SO FOLKS CAN MAKE THEIR WAY THROUGH THE PROCESS AND IT DOESN'T TAKE YEARS OFF OF THEIR LIVES?

IF YOU'RE LAW ABIDING, YOU'RE CONTRIBUTING TO SOCIETY AND CONTRIBUTES TO THE ECONOMY AND YOU DESERVE THAT PATHWAY.

>> Ted: WHEN REPUBLICANS, THAT'S AMNESTY AND HOW DO YOU RESPOND?

>> I'M NOT SAYING AM AMNESTY.

THE PROCESS NEEDS TO BE DONE WITH INTEGRITY AND RESPECT.

I'M NOT SAYING WE LET EVERYONE IN.

WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE A PATHWAY FOR INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE LAW ABIDING, CONTRIBUTING TO THE ECONOMY AND ENSURING THAT THEY'RE CONTRIBUTING TO AMERICAN SOCIETY.

WHEN WE DO SO, WE MAKE AMERICA BETTER AS A COUNTRY.

>> Ted: DO YOU THINK THAT'S HOW PEOPLE IN CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT 1 SEE IT?

>> THEY BELIEVE WE NEED STRONGER BORDERS AND INVEST AND SUPPORTING LOCAL OFFICIALS ON THE GROUND SO THEY CAN DO THEIR JOBS TO KEEP OUR COMMUNITY SECURE AND WE HAVE A RIGOROUS PROCESS FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO WANT TO IMMIGRANT HERE.

>> Ted: ABORTION, WOULD YOU VOTE IN CONGRESS TO CODIFY ROE V. WADE?

>> WHOLE-HEARTEDLY TO DEFEND AND PROTECT THE FREEDOMS OF EVERY AMERICAN TO CHOOSE WHAT THEY TO WITH THEIR BODY AND THAT INCLUDES AN ABORTION.

>> Ted: WOULD YOU VOTE AGAINST A NATIONAL BAN?

>> VOTE AGAINST A NATIONAL BAN?

ABSOLUTELY.

>> Ted: THE ARGUMENT NOW BY WAY OF THE SUPREME COURT'S DECISION, IT'S UP TO THE STATES AND REPUBLICAN PARTY IN GENERAL AND NO DOUBT, YOUR OPPONENT, THINKS THAT'S THE WAY IT NEEDS TO BE, WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT IDEA?

>> HERE IS WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO, IN THE CONSTITUTIONAL ARGUMENT ABOUT FREEDOMS.

THIS IS UP TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO SUPPORT AND ENACT YOUR FREEDOMS ARE PROTECTED AND THAT IS THE REASON WHY WE NEED FEDERAL LAW IN PLACE, TO PROTECT EVERY INDIVIDUAL'S RIGHT TO DECIDE WHAT THEY SO DO.

>> Ted: SUPERCEDE STATE LAW.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> Ted: WATER ISSUES ARE BIG AND I AM THE FIRST TO PLEAD GUILTY TO THAT AND TO SECURE ARIZONA AS' SUPPLY'S SUPPLY AND COLORADO RIVER WATER.

>> I'LL EP ENSURE WE'RE HOLDING CALIFORNIA AND I WILL BE A MEMBER WHO WILL ROLL UP THEIR SLEEVES AND WORK WITH DEMOCRATS, REPUBLICANS AND INDEPENDENTS ALIKE TO DELIVER FOR PEOPLE IN ARIZONA.

WE TALK ABOUT WATER AND IT'S A GOVERNMENTAL, BIPARTISAN INITIATIVE TO DELIVER.

>> Ted: ARE YOU SAYING ARIZONA IS NOT GIVING ITS FAIR SHAKE OF COLORADO WATER?

>> WE NEED TO HOLD OTHER COUNTIES ACCOUNTABLE.

>> Ted: ARE THEY NOT HELD ACCOUNT KNOWLEDGEABLE.

>> THERE'S MOREACCOUNTABLE?

>> THERE'S MORE TO BE DONE.

>> Ted: WE'RE WORK ON ONE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS, AND THESE SORTS OF THINGS AND ARIZONA HAS ITS SPOT IN, YOU KNOW, THE LIST OF RECIPIENTS OF COLORADO RIVER WATER.

WHAT CAN YOU DO?

THAT LIST IS THERE AND CAN YOU CHANGE IT BY WAY OF CONGRESS?

CAN YOU WORK TO NEGOTIATE WITH OTHER STATES AND HOW DO YOU DO THAT?

>> TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE OF ARIZONA AND SO THAT'S TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE IN ARIZONA ARE GETTING THEIR FAIR SHARE AND THE LIST IS IN PLACE AND ARIZONA IS ON THE LIST AND MY JOB IS TO MAKE SURE ARIZONA IS NOT GETTING SHORT-CHANGED HERE AND TO ENSURE WE'RE GETTING OUR FULL ALLOTMENT.

>> Ted: CONSERVATION AS OPPOSED TO ACQUIRING WATER FROM THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER AND ALL IDEAS ARE FLOATING AROUND, INCLUDING CONSERVATION.

ARIZONA HAS DONE A GOOD JOB OF KEEPING WATER IN LAKE MEAD AND A DO YOU DO AND HOW DO YOU ADD TO THAT?

>> AGAIN, I'M GOING TO BE THAT MEMBER OF CONGRESS THAT WILL WORK WITH REPUBLICANS, INDEPENDENTS AND DEMOCRATIC MEMBERS ALIKE AND A BIPARTISAN, MULTI-GOVERNMENT OPERATION AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OUGHT TO WORK WITH COUNTIES, STATES, MUNICIPALITIES TO INCENTIVIZE WHAT'S IN PLACE.

YOU HAVE LOW FLUSH TOILETS AND LOW ENERGY RESOURCES AND ZERO SCALINGXERISCAPEING AND WE HAVE TO START BY HAVING YOUR VARIOUS GOVERNMENTS IN PLACE AND ENSURING THE INITIATIVES ARE THERE.

>> Ted: INFLATION, WHY IS IT SO HIGH AND ARE THE POLICIES OF THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION TO BLAME?

>> ARIZONA FAMILIES ARE HURTING RIGHT NOW AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS ENSURE THAT WE'RE WORKING TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES HEAD-ON.

WHEN I'M IN THE UNITED STATES' CONGRESS, I'LL DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO CUT COST FOR MIDDLE-CLASS FAMILIES.

YOU LOOK TO CUT THE COST TO PRESCRIPTION DRUGS AND INSURANCE PREMIUMS, TO INCREASE LOCAL PRODUCTION SO WE CAN MAKE HERE IN OUR COUNTRY AND ATTRACT INNOVATION.

WE'RE ON THE RISE AND MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND WE NEED LEADERS TO ACT IN THE INTEREST OF PEOPLE IN ARIZONA AND ADVOCATE FOR ARIZONA.

WE NEED TO PUT DOLLARS IN PEOPLE'S POCKETS SO THAT FOLKS AN HAVE SUPPORT AND RESOURCES THEY NEED.

>> Ted: YOUR OPPONENT SAYS THE BIDEN'S ECONOMIC POLICY IS, QUOTE, RECKLESS AND IRPOSSIBLY.

VALID POINT?

>> ABSOLUTELY NOT.

HE'S ENACTED POLICIES TO SUPPORT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

MY OPPONENT HAS BEEN RECKLESS WITH HIS DECISIONS BY NOT DELIVERING, ADVOCATING AND PROVIDING OPPORTUNITYIES.

I'M SAYING THAT WE NEED TO DO EVERYTHING HUMANLY POSSIBLE TO ACT IN THE INTEREST OF PEOPLE IN ARIZONA.

WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS ON THE GROUND TACTILELY, YOU LOOK AT THE BIPARTISANSHIP AND WE NEED TO ATTRACT HIGH WAGE JOBS TO THE VALLEYS AND MAKE SURE WE'RE CUTTING COSTS FOR EVERY DAY ARIZONA AND CAPPING COST OF INSURANCE, PRESCRIPTION DRUGS AND MY OPPONENT IS DOING NOT THAT.

HE'S WORKING AGAINST ARIZONA.

>> Ted: HE WANTS LOWER TAXES AND WOULD LOWER TAXES LOWER THE COSTS THAT PEOPLE PAY.

CAN YOU FLOW ALL OF THESE THINGS INTO REASONS FOR INFLATION?

>> WELL, YES, YOU CAN.

HOWEVER, WHEN YOU LOOK AT ADDRESSING ANY PROBLEM THAT'S FACING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE EXPECT PEOPLE OF ARIZONA RIGHT NOW, WE NEED TO HAVE BIPARTISAN SOLUTIONS THAT ARE COMING FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE HERE.

WHEN I'M IN THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS, I'LL WORK WITH REPUBLICANS AND INDEPENDENTS AND DEMOCRATS ALIKE.

WHAT MY OPPONENT IS NOT DOING, HE'S NOT DOING THAT AND NOT WORKING ACROSS THE AISLE.

HE'S NOT WORKING WITH HIS COLLEAGUES TO DELIVER FOR PEOPLE IN ARIZONA.

WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER, WHETHER IT'S THIS OR THAT, WHEN YOU'RE ONLY HAVING ONE CONVERSATION, YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO BE ABLE TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM HOLE LIST HOLISTICALLY.

>> Ted: CRITICS HAVE SAID THAT BASICALLY YOU ARE RUNNING AS THE ANTI-DAVID SCHWEIKERT AND RUNNING BECAUSE YOU'RE BIGGEST POINT AND LOUDEST POINT IS, I'M NOT HIM.

DO THEY HAVE A POINT?

>> THEY TO NOT.

I'M A REPRESENT OF ARIZONA AND SOMEONE WHO WILL BE A VOICE FOR EVERY DAY PEOPLE IN ARIZONA, FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO DELIVER REALISTIC SOLUTIONS AND LASTLY, YOU LOOK AT WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW AND I'M HERE TALKING TO YOU.

GOD GIVE US TWO EARS AND ONE MOUTH FORMOUTH FOR A REASON.

YOU NEED SOMETHING TO LISTEN, LEARN AND CARRY YOUR ISSUES TO THE HALLS OF CONGRESS TO DELIVER FOR YOU.

THAT'S WHAT I'LL TO FOR ARIZONA.

>> Ted: SIR, GOOD TO HAVE YOU AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Ted: UP NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON, AN ART EXHIBITION THAT ILLUMINATES THE LIVES OF INDIGENOUS WOMEN.

>> A NEW EXHIBITION AT THE LISA SETTE GALLERY AND THIS FOCUSES ON A POPULATION THAT'S BEEN AFFECTED BY VIOLENCE.

FOR MORE, WE WELCOME BENJAMIN TIMPSON AND LISA SETTE AND GOOD TO HAVE YOU BOTH AND LISA, ALWAYS A PLEASURE.

>> Ted: WE'LL START WITH YOU AND ILLUMINATED LIVES GIVE ME A BETTER DEAF NATION OF DEFINITION OF WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.

>> THE PORTRAITS FROM BUTTERFLY WINGS AND DEALING WITH HISTORICAL PORTRAITS AND CONTEM TEMPORARY PORTRAITS AND MANY ARE MURDERED, ABUSED AND MISSING.

>> Ted: BENEFIT YA >> Ted: BENJAMIN, HOW DID YOU GET STARTED.

>> ONE OF MY COUSINS WAS DOMESTICALLY ABUSED.

I WAS WORKING WITH BUTTERFLIES ON A LIGHT TABLE AND I WAS ABSTRACTING THE BUTTER BUTTERFLIES INTO SQUARES AND I REALIZED IT WOULD BE THE SYMBOL FOR THESE WOMEN AND IT'S A SYMBOL FOR REBIRTH, HOPE AND, YOU KNOW, REJUVENATION.

>> Ted: BACK TO YOU IN A SECOND AND AS A GALLERY OTHER THAN OWNER AND STEEPED IN ARTS AND YOU SEE A PORTRAIT AND WHAT GOES THROUGH YOUR MIND?

>> HISTORICALLY, I REMEMBERED AND BEN KNEW THIS, TOO, THE PORTRAIT OF SITTING BULL HAD A PORTRAIT -- ACTUALLY, IT WAS AN ACTUAL BUTTERFLY ON HIS HAT AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT IMMEDIATELY WHEN I MADE A STUDIO VISIT WHEN WE FIRST MET AND PORTRAITS HAVE BEEN IMPORTANT THROUGHOUT THE AGES AND THINKING ABOUT BEN'S WORK AND WHAT IT WAS DEALING WITH, I THOUGHT ABOUT PICASSO AND GENOCIDE AND BILLY HOLIDAY'S SONG AND THE SONG HE MADE FAMOUS, "STRANGE FRUIT" WHICH WAS A PORTRAIT.

THIS WAS SORT OF IN THAT GENRE AND THAT RANGE OF WHAT HE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT.

>> Ted: A LOT OF THIS BENJAMIN, YOU LEARNED YOUR FAMILY HAD NATIVE AMERICAN ANCESTRY AND THAT INFLUENCE HOW YOU PROCEEDED?

>> ALL THROUGH GRAD SCHOOL, HE FOCUSED ON THE OTHER HAND SOMETHING RELATABLE TO YOU AND YOUR OWN STORY AND I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT THAT AND IT CLICKED WITHIN FIVE MINUTES AND A MAJOR EPIPHANY AT THE LIGHT TABLE AND I PUT IT TOGETHER WITH MY FAMILY AND OTHER WOMEN TO TELL THAT STORY AND RAISE AWARENESS.

>> Ted: SOME OF THESE ARE AND TRACTABSTRACT AND A LOT OF WORK AND A LOT OF EFFORT AND DO YOU SEE THAT BEFORE YOU WORK?

DO YOU SEE THE BUTTERFLY?

HOW DOES THE PROCESS WORK?

>> FIRST I TALK TO THE FAMILY MEMBERS AND I GET THE PHOTOGRAPH TO WORK FROM AND ONCE I HAVE THE PHOTOGRAPH, I TAKE SAFE SOURCE BUTTERFLIES AND CONSTRUCT THE PORTRAIT OUT OF THE SAFE SOURCE BUTTERFLIES AND THE ORIGINALS ARE IN THE SHOW AND PHOTOGRAPH THEM WITH A MACRO LENSE TO GO WITH THE ORIGINAL.

>> Ted: WHEN THEY COME OUT AND WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME AND THEY'RE REMARKABLE, IS THAT WHAT YOU SAW ARE YOU SURPRISED, TOO?

>> BECAUSE THIS IS A DELICATE, INTRICATE PROCESS THAT TAKES HUNDREDS OF HOURS.

>> Ted: YOU ACQUIRE THESE FROM FAMILY MEMBERS?

>> MOSTLY FAMILY MEMBERS SPECIFICALLY BEFOREHAND TO GET THEIR BLESSINGS.

>> Ted: HOW DO YOU DECIDE WHICH ONES TO USE?

THERE'S TONS AND WHICH ONES DO YOU USE?

>> PERSONAL CONTACT WITH THE FAMILIES.

>> Ted: THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE?

>> TO ME, ABSOLUTELY.

THE HISTORICAL PORTRAITS, THERE WAS ONE PHOTOGRAPH OF HER AND IN THE 1920'S, SHE WAS MURDERED AND I HAVE ONE PHOTOGRAPH TO WORK FROM FROM HER.

>> Ted: LISA, WHEN YOU SEE THESE PORTRAITS, AND THEY'RE REMARKABLE, WHAT DO YOU SEE WHEN YOU SEE THEM?

>> I SEE PEOPLE.

I MEAN, I SEE WOMEN AND WHEN BEN WAS TALKING ABOUT THE RITA SMITH PORTRAIT, THAT SPARKED MY MEANS TO READ "KILLERS OF THE FLOWER MOON" AND A MARTIN SCORSESE FILM COMING OUT OF THE SAME TITLE AND THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR 100 YEARS AND THEY'RE NOT WHAT THESE COMMUNITIES NEED TO SOLVE ANY OF THESE MURDERS.

THE HISTORICAL MOOD OF IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR ME LOOKING AT THE PORTRAITS.

BUT THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL.

>> Ted: YES!

>> WE TALK ABOUT THE DIFFICULT HISTORY BEHIND THEM AND THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL TO SEE.

>> Ted: YEAH, IT'S ALMOST A DICHOTOMY IN A SENSE THAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE HAD TRAGIC LIVES AND CAME TO TRAGIC ENDS AND YET, WHAT YOU'VE DONE IS SO BEAUTIFUL.

I MEAN, HOW DO YOU WORK THAT EQUATION?

>> YEAH, THE ONE TO RAISE AWARENESS AND TWO, TO ESTABLISH A BEAUTIFUL IMAGE OF THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS THAT THE FAMILY AND THE PEOPLE AROUND THEM CAN CARRY FORWARD AND THEN LASTLY, THE VIEWER OF THE PERSON WHO LOOKS AT THAT IS THAT EMPATHY CAN BE CREATED AND IT'S A BEAUTIFUL CYCLE OF HEALING, HOPEFULLY.

>> Ted: WHAT REACTION HAVE YOU HAD FROM FAMILY MEMBERS?

>> MOSTLY THANK YOU SO MUCH OF CONSTRUCTING A PORTRAIT OF MY DAUGHTER, WIFE OR SISTER THAT I CAN LOOK AT WITHOUT, YOU KNOW BEING SAD, THAT I CAN BE PROUD OF.

>> Ted: THAT MUST BE SO REWARDING.

LEASE A, WHENLISA, WHEN YOU TAKE HOW AN ARTIST OR WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR?

>> IN BEN'S CASE, I WANTED TO KNOW IT CAME FROM A PLACE OF HONEST CITYHONESTY, THAT HE DID HAVE THIS AND WASN'T APPROPRIATING SOMEONE ELSE'S ISSUE AND THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO BE A GENUINE CONCERN FOR THIS POPULATION AND I LOOK FOR THINGS THAT ARE BEAUTIFULLY MADE AND, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF THE BACK-STORY IS KIND OF DIFFICULT OR TOUGH AND THAT THERE'S A BEAUTY IN LOOKING AT THEM AND HAVING THEM.

>> Ted: AND YET, IT LEAD TO MY NEXT YES, BENEFIT BENJAMIN HOPES ABOUT WHEN THEY LOOK AND CONSIDER THEM AND WHAT DO YOU WANT THEM TO TAKE AWAY?

>> I WANT THEM TO BE EDUCATED ABOUT THE ISSUE.

MOST IMPORTANT THING.

>> Ted: PHILOSOPHY, I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT THE ART BUSINESS.

IT'S BEEN AWHILE AND PRE-COVID, I THINK IS THE LAST TIME WE TALKED AND HOW HAVE THINGS CHANGED?

>> OH, GOSH, WE'RE BUSY, ODDLY ENOUGH.

AND I THINK PEOPLE ARE REALIZING THAT YOU KNOW, THEY SHOULD ENRICH THEMSELVES WITH THINGS THEY WANT AROUND THEM AND A LOT HAS CHANGED TECHNICALLY, TOO.

IT'S INTERNET FOCUSED IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS AND THAT'S ODD FOR ME BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS ALMOST 38 YEARS AND IT DIDN'T START OUT THAT WAY.

WE'VE ADAPTED.

>> Ted: SOCIALIZING AND STOPPING BY AND SEEING FRIENDS AND THAT'S FROM THE ARTISTIC AND FROM THE ARTIST'S VIEWPOINT, HOW HAVE THINGS CHANGED IN THE PAST FEW YEARS?

>> I MEAN, THERE'S A HUGE RISE IN NFT AND IT'S ALL OVER THE PLACE.

NO ONE SOLID MOVEMENT AND NO ONE SOLID THING THAT'S HOLDING THE ART WORLD TOGETHER.

IT'S AFTER THE INTERNET AND PANDEMIC.

THERE'S A LOT OF SMALL MICROCLIMATES ALL OVER IN THE ART WORLD.

IT'S HARD TO HARD TO PUT YOUR FINGER ON ONE THING THAT'S HAPPENING BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE AND SO MANY ARTISTS THAT ARE CREATING UNDER SO MANY UMBRELLAS NOW.

NOT JUST FOR ART AND THE VOICE AND LIKE ART COMES NATURALLY FOR PEOPLE.

IT'S JUST LIKE IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE COMMERCIALIZED OR PUT INTO A BOX.

IT CAN BE SOMETHING NATURAL THAT PEOPLE CAN TO AND THEY'RE DOING THAT ON ALL PLATFORMS ALL AROUND THE WORLD.

>> Ted: YOU'RE DOING IT AND DOING A GREAT JOB.

BENJAMIN TIMPSON AND LISA SETTE, THANK YOU.

THAT IS IT FOR NOW.

I'M TED SIMONS AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US AND YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING.

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