>> Ted: NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON.

IT'S THE JOURNALISTIST'S ROUNDTABLE INCLUDING OUR DEBATE WITH THE CANDIDATES WITH U.S. SENATE.

AND CONCERNS OVER NEWLY DESIGNED CARS IN NASCAR RACING.

WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

IT'S FRIDAY AND JOINING US TONIGHT, JIM SMALL OF THE ARIZONA MIRRORRER AND JEREMY DUDA AND LAURIE ROBERTS.

GOOD TO HAVE YOU AND THANKS FOR JOINING US.

JIM, WE'LL START WITH YOU.

ANY CLEAR DIFFERENCES ON DISPLAY ESPECIALLY BETWEEN THE TWO MAJOR CANDIDATES?

>> IT WAS ABOUT HIGHLIGHTING THE DIFFERENCES IN THE DEBATE, THAT THE FEW CANDIDATES WHO HAVE BEEN ATTACKING EACH OTHER FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR MONTHS NOW AND I THINK IT WAS ALL ON DISPLAY AND YOU SAW A STARK DIFFERENCE IN APPROACH AND IN ATTITUDE AND IN MOST CASES IN POLICY, POLICY PROVISIONS WHETHER INFLATION TO IMMIGRATION TO ABORTION AND I THINK UP AND DOWN THE LIST OF ISSUES, I THINK VOTERS ARE GOING TO HAVE A CLEAR CHOICE ABOUT WHO THEY WANT TO BE IN THE U.S. SENATE.

>> Ted: JEREMY, THEY USE THE CONFERATIONPHRASE "MESS THINGS UP" AND SO RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE, WE STARTED WITH INFLATION AND GOING AFTER EACH OTHER.

>> THAT'S GOING TO BE A WINNER FOR MASTERS AND ONE OF THE DEFINING ISSUES AND UN-MOMENTINFLATION IS HIGH AND PEOPLE WILL BLAME THE PEOPLE IN POWER AND THAT'S JOE BIDEN AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT SOCIAL SECURITY HAS TO DO WITH THAT AND IT'S PRIORITIZING SOCIAL SECURITY.

OBVIOUSLY NOT A POPULAR ISSUE, ESPECIALLY IN A STATE WITH A LOT OF SENIOR CITIZEN VOTERS.

I WAS SURPRISED THAT MASTERS DIDN'T PUSH BACK AND WALKED THAT BACK AFTER THE PRIMARY.

FOR ALL THE TIMES THAT KELLY BROUGHT THAT UP, HE WAS FOCUSED ON THE OTHER ISSUES.

>> Ted: DID MASTERS HIT HARD ON INFLATION AND DID TELLY DEFEND WELL ENOUGH?

>> THE MODERATE REPUBLICANS AND INDEPENDENTS.

IF INFLATION WAS YOUR ISSUE, MASTERS SCORED POINTS AND IF YOUR ISSUE WAS ABORTION, I DON'T THINK HE DID AND THAT'S A BIG PEOPLE IN THE MIDDLE AND A PROBLEM FOR HIM.

>> Ted: AS FAR AS ABORTION, MASTERS AND KELLY PAINTED EACH OTHER AS THE EXTREME.

>> AS THE RADICAL, YEAH.

BUT MASTERS WENT HARD CALLING HIM AN ABORTION RADICAL BECAUSE HE SUPPORTED THAT ACT THAT ALLOWS DOCTORS TO TERMINATE A PREGNANCY WHICH HAPPENS IN, WHAT, AS KELLY SAID A CASE THAT'S HEARTBREAKING DEALING WITH JOB POSSIBLE.

ON THE OTHER HAND, KELLY WENT AFTER MASTERS FOR HIS EVER EVOLVING VIEWS AND CALLING FOR THE OVERTURN OF ROE V. WADE.

HE HASEVOLVED SINCE THE PRIMARY AND KNOWING HE HAS TO TALK TO THAT GENERAL ELECTION AUDIENCE, HE'S STRONGLY PRO LIFE AND SUPPORT ONE OF ARIZONA'S LAWS ALLOWING APPORTION UP ABORTION UP TO 15 WEEKS.

ICLEARLY HE'S TRYING TO GET TO THE VAST MAJORITY OF VOTERS WHO BELIEVE ABORTION SHOULD BE LEGAL UP UNTIL SOME POINT.

>> Ted: I ASKED ABOUT SCRUBBING THE WEBSITE AND NOT SURE WE GOT A DIRECT WEBSITE BECAUSE HE HAS SHOWN SOME STRONG PRO-LIFE POSITIONS AND DIDN'T HEAR MUCH ABOUT THAT LAST NIGHT.

>> TO LAURIE'S POINT, THIS IS SOMEONE IN THE PRIMARY, I THINK HE CALLED ABORTION DEMONIC DURING THE PRIMARY ELECTION AND HARD TO SQUARE THE IDEA OF SOMEONE WHO THINKS THIS IS A DEMONIC PRACTICE THIS IS OK AND BOSTONGOVERN FROM LETTING THIS GO FORWARD.

TO USE IT IN THIS TERMINOLOGY, IT STRAINS CREDULITY.

I THINK THAT'S THE CHALLENGE AND TO LAURIE'S POINT TRYING TO SPEAK TO THESE VOTERS IN THE MIDDLE THAT THIS IS A RACE THAT IN A LOT OF YEARS WILL HINGE ON THE FIRST RING OF SUBURBS AND IN PARTICULARLY, WOMEN VOTERS WHICH ARE IN ALL OF THE POLLS BREAKING TOWARDS THE DEMOCRATS AND THAT BLAKE MASTERS AND SOME OTHERS NEED TO PULL BACK IF THEY HOPE TO PULL OFF THESE RACES.

>> Ted: IF MASTERS SCORED POINTS ON INFLATION, WHAT THERE POINTS SCORED ON ABORTION?

>> IF YOU'RE SUPPORTIVE OF THE 15 WEEK, HE'S TALKING ABOUT A BAN ON ABORTIONS AND JIM MENTIONED TALKING ABOUT, IT'S DEMONIC AND A RELIGIOUS SACRIFICE -- PEOPLE DECIDED TO WATCH THE DEBATE AND OK, THE ISSUE ON ABORTION MAYBE NOT AS EXTREME.

PEOPLE WILL SEE THE ADS EVERY TIME YOU TURN ON TV TOUTING THE PRIMARY POSITION AS OPPOSED TO WHAT HE SAID LAST NIGHT AND THAT WILL GET MORE PLAY AND TRACTION IF THAT IS WHAT CONCERNS THEM.

>> Ted: LAURIE, IMMIGRATION IS AN ISSUE COME ELECTION TIME EVERY FOUR YEARS.

IMMIGRATION LAST NIGHT, DID WE SEE POINTS SCORED THERE?

>> MARK KELLY WILL HAVE TO BE ON THE DEFENSE ABOUT THAT AND LET'S FACE IT, THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION HAS BUNGLED THE BORDER IN A BIG WAY AND NOT TOO MANY PEOPLE THAT WOULD DISAGREE.

IT WAS INTERESTING, YES, THE BORDER IS A MESS AND DEMOCRATS DON'T UNDERSTAND.

I DON'T KNOW I THINK HIS VOTING STYLE MATCHED THAT AND HE SAID ENOUGH TO MAKE IT CLEAR ON THE FENCE THAT YEAH, HE DOESN'T LIKE WHAT'S GOING ON DOWN THERE EITHER.

>> Ted: BLAKE MASTERS SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, THE DEMOCRATS AND MARK KELLY HAVE CURRENT SUR SURRENDERED TO THE CARTELS.

>> FROM REPUBLICANS, KARI LAKE HAD ARGUMENTS AND IT HARKENS BACK TO WHERE IMMIGRATION WAS THE MAJOR ISSUE AND A LOT OF FEAR MONGERING OVER IT.

I DON'T KNOW IT SQUARES NECESSARILY WITH REALITY TO TURNING THE BORDER OVER TO THE CARTELS BECAUSE WE'VE NEVER HAD MORE BORDER PATROL OFFICERS AND THIS IS A SIGN THAT THE BORDER PATROL IS DOING ITS JOB AND STOPPING PEOPLE AND ENCOUNTERING THEM AND PUTTING THEM INTO THE SYSTEM IN PLACE IN THE LEGAL FRAMEWORK.

SO YOU KNOW, I THINK A LITTLE BIT OF HAVING YOUR CAKE AND EATING IT, TOO, TO SAY THE BORDER IS OUT OF CONTROL EVEN AS -- WE HAVE ALL KINDS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT DOING ITS JOB AND APPEARS TO BE DOING ITS JOB WELL.

>> Ted: A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH REGARDING KELLY, THE CLAIM FROM MASTERS KELLY DID NOT VOTE TO INCREASE BORDER PATROL AGENTS BUT TAX MONITORING PURPOSES AND HOW WELL DID THAT GO?

FAIRLY WELL FOR MASTERS.

IF KELLY VOTES FOR A BILLION DOLLARS TO INCLUDE BORDER PATROL AGENTS AND BARRIERS OR TECHNOLOGY, BUT HE DID VOTE AGAINST THE AMENDMENT FOR 18,000 NEW BORDER PATROL AGENTS.

AND YEAH, HE DIDN'T OPPOSE THAT AND IN A DEBATE THAT LACKED CATCHY LINES AND ONE FROM MASTERS, CAN YOU HONESTLY SAY YOU CAN TO SECURE THE BORDER?

AND KELLY'S ANSWER WAS NOT REASSURING IF THAT'S YOUR TOP ISSUE.

>> Ted: WE DID GET TO THE 2020 ELECTION EVENTUALLY AND WE DID NOT START WITH IT.

BLACK MASTERS DID WALK BACK IN TERMS OF VOTE COUNTING.

WE GOT A BIG KIND OF A SPEECH REGARDING HIGH TECH AND MISINFORMATION AND THAT SORT OF THING.

BUT THE RIGGED, CHEATED ASPECT OF THE ELECTION, HE BASICALLY SAID, HIS QUOTE WAS, YEAH, I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT.

>> CREAT,YEAH, I THINK HE'S BEEN TRYING TO SEPARATE HIMSELF FROM KARI LAKE AND MARK FINCHEM AND HIS POINT WAS THAT HE THOUGHT IT WAS UNFAIR AND BIG TECH AND MEDIA CONFIRING CONSPIRING TO GET BIDEN ELECTED AND YOU DIDN'T HEAR HIM MENTION TRUMP 15 OR 16 MINUTES INTO IT AND TRUMP IS THE REASON HE WAS ON THIS STAGE.

THAT'S THE REASON HE GOT NOMINATED.

HE WAS CLEARLY TRYING TO BACK AWAY FROM THAT AND APPEAL TO THE PEOPLE IN THE MIDWHOMIDDLE.

>> Ted: CAN YOU BACK AWAY FROM THIS WEEKEND?

>> DEFINITELY A DICHOTOMY.

I WAS SURPRISED MARK KELLY DIDN'T TRY TO TIE BLACK MASTERS TO TRUMP.

MASTERS TRIED TO TIE MARK KELLY TO JOE BIDEN AND JOE BIDEN IS UNPOPULAR, WE SEE, IN THE POLLS AND DRAFTS ARE OUTPERFORMING AN UNPOPULAR PRESIDENT.

THE FACT THAT THEY DIDN'T CONTINUE -- THAT MARK KELLY DIDN'T CONTINUALLY TRY TO LET THE AUDIENCE KNOW THIS IS A PERSON WHO IS HERE, LIKE LAURIE SAYS AND TIED HIMSELF TO DONALD TRUMP IN A FUNDAMENTAL WAY SEEMS LIKE A MISSED OPPORTUNITY GIVEN THAT BOTH OF THEM NEED TO WIN ARE LARGELY THE REASON DONALD TRUMP LOST IN ARIZONA IN 2020.

>> Ted: MISSED OPPORTUNITY?

>> MISSED OPPORTUNITY TO PAINT MASTERS AS A FLIP-FLOPPER AND CHANGING HIS POSITIONS FOR EXPEDIENCY.

HE OPPOSES ABORTION AND TELL YOU HE DOESN'T AND THAT'S NOT TRUE AND WITH THE ELECTION, DURING THE PRIMARY, NOT QUITE AS TRY STRIDENT TO SAY LAKE OR FIMCHEM AND SAY THAT TRUMP WON THE ELECTION WHICH IS FALSE AND BACKED AWAY AND A MISSED OPPORTUNITY TO CAST HIM AS SOMEBODY WHO WILL CHANGE HIS POSITIONS ON THE FLY FOR WHATEVER HE THINKS VOTERS WANT TO HEAR.

>> Ted: IS THERE A WIN OFFICER.

>> WINNER?

>> I THOUGHT YOU WERE A WINNER.

>> Ted: BLESS YOUR HEART.

>> THE REAL THING IS TO END UP IN OTHER GUY'S ADS AND BLAKE MASTERS HAD TO GIVE A KNOCK-OUT PUSH.

PUNCH.

HE WENT SOME WAY TOWARD THAT BUT IN THE LONG RUN, HE FELL SHORT AND FALLS TO KELLY.

>> Ted: WINNER, JEREMY?

>> MARK KELLY, THE MOST MEMORABLE LINE.

>> Ted: AND SAID THEM WITH GUSTO.

>> THE FACT THERE WASN'T THAT KNOCK-OUT PUNCH OR HARD HIT FROM BLAKE MASTERS, YOU WOULD HAVE TO SAY THAT KELLY CAME OUT AHEAD BECAUSE HE STARTED AHEAD AND HE NEEDED TO NOT MAKE A MISTAKE.

>> Ted: LAURIE, WE HAVE A LAWSUIT REGARDING THE ANTIABORTION LAWYER FILED BY AN ABORTION DOCTOR AND AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION.

>> ACLU ON THE ABORTION DOCTOR AND AMA AND TAKEN TO THE COURTS AND WHAT IS THE ABORTION STATE AND WE HAVE TWO, BANNING ALL ABORTIONS EXCEPT FOR A DYING MOTHER AND THE BAN WHICH DUCEY PASSED.

A FEDERAL JUDGE HAS LIFTED THE INJUNCTION ON THE OLD CIVIL WAR ERA LAW LEAVING US WITH THIS THING BUT IF TELL US WHICH LAW TAKES EFFECT.

IT SOMES TO ME RATHER HAIL MARY IN THAT THE LAW SEEMS CLEAR TO ME THAT IN THE BILL THAT THEY JUST PASSED, THEY DID NOT REPEAL THE OLD LAW AND THE POINT OF THE LAWSUIT, WELL, WE'VE HAD 50 YEARS OF LEGISLATORS PASSING LAWS THAT ALLOWED ABORTIONS AND INTENT IS TO ALLOW ABORTION.

BY I DON'T KNOW THAT WILL FLY.

THE REASON THEY PASSED THOSE LAWS IS BECAUSE ROE V. WADE AND COULDN'T OUTLAW ABORTION AND I THINK IT'S A HAIL MARY.

>> Ted: WASN'T THE IDEA HARMONIZE ALL OF THESE LAWS INTO LET?

>> THAT WAS AN INTERESTING ARGUMENT HERE AND HARMONIZING IS THAT THE TERRITORIAL LAW, NO ABORTIONS AT ALL EXCEPT LIFE OF THE MOTHER AND EARLIER THIS YEAR, THE 15-WEEK LAW SAYING A LICENSED PHYSICIAN CAN PERFORM UP TO 15 WEEKS OF PREGNANCY AND YOU CAN HAVE YOUR CAKE AND EAT IT, TOO.

ONE THAT SAYS LEAVE ALL OF THESE OTHER RESTRICTIONS IN PLACE AND HEY, THE OTHER ONE DOESN'T TALK ABOUT PHYSICIANS AND PHYSICIANS AND WHAT THEY CAN DO AND WHEN THEY CAN DO I. THISIT.THE JUDGE SAYS THIS IS NOT WHAT THIS LAWSUIT IS ABOUT AND SIMPLY SAYS, DOES THIS INJUNCTION STAY IN PLACE OR LIFT IT NOW THAT ROE V. WADE IS OVER?

THE OTHER COURTS CAN FIGURE THIS OUT.

>> Ted: SO NONPHYSICIAN IS A FACTOR IN THIS LAWSUIT?

>> THAT'S THE ARGUMENT THEY'RE MAKING.

AND THE WHOLE GOAL IS, BASICALLY, THAT JUDGE IN PIMA COUNTY SAYS THERE ARE OPTIONS -- I'M NOT THE FORUM TO HEAR THIS FUNDAMENTAL ANDARGUMENT AND THIS IS A DIRECT RESULT, DOING WHAT THAT JUDGE REQUESTED TO BE DONE.

WE'LL SEE, YOU KNOW, HOW THE COURTS ACCEPT IT AND I'M SURE IT'S NOT THE END OF OUR LITIGATION ANDLITIGATION AND THIS WHOLE INJUNCTION CAME ABOUT BECAUSE OF A LAWSUIT THAT WAS ABOUT ARIZONA'S CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO PRIVACY AND THE ONE IN ROE V. WADE, THE SUPREME COURT READ INTO THE U.S. CONSTITUTION WHICH WAS IMPOLICE ITS IMPLICIT BECAUSE ROE V. WADE STOPPED THAT IN ITS TRACKS AND INTERESTING TO SEE IF THAT'S AN ARGUMENT THAT COMES UP DOWN THE LINE ONCE THE INITIAL PROCEEDINGS ARE DOWN.

IF THAT'S THE ARGUMENT THAT REPRODUCTIVE RIGHT'S ADVOCATES SEEK TO TAKE TO THE COURTS.

>> Ted: RIGHT NOW ABORTIONS ARE NOT BEING DONE IN ARIZONA.

>> CORRECT.

AND I THINK FOR ALL OF THE IDEA THERE'S CONFUSION, CERTAINLY, IF THERE'S CONFUSION, ERRING NOT GETTING THEMSELVES INTO LEGAL HOT WATER.

>> Ted: KARI LAKE, WHO HAS NOW DECIDED AND THIS IS A QUOTE, IT WOULD BE REALLY WONDERFUL IF ABORTION WAS RARE AND LEGAL THE WHAT THEY SAID IT BEFORE.

SAID THAT ON KTAR.

WHAT WAS THAT ABOUT?

>> DEMOCRAT PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON IN THE '90S TO HAVE ABORTION BE RARE AND SAFE AND LEGAL.

I MEAN,ED JUST, IT'S A STRANGE PLACE SHE'S PUT HERSELF.

SHE'S BEEN AN ARDENT ONE TO ABORTION AND WOULD SIGN THE TEXAS HEARTBEAT BILL THIS A HEARTBEAT IF IT CAME HERE TO REPORT ON WOMEN WHO GET ON ABORTIONS IN A HEARTBEAT AT SIX WEEKS AND SHE SUPPORTS THE CIVIL WAR ERA BAN FOR HERE AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, SHE'S GOES ON KTASM RTAR SAYING WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT IF ABORTION WAS RARE.

HE TRIED TO SAY SHE DIDN'T MEAN WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT IF IT WAS LEGAL.

SHE WORKS WITH WORDS, WHAT, FOR DECADES?

AND I FIND IT WEIRD THE WORLD WORD "LEGAL" CAME OUT OF HER MOUTH IF SHE DIDN'T MEAN IT TO.

>> Ted: THE MODERATE REPUBLICANS AND INDEPENDENTS, WILL THEY RECOGNIZE ABORTION BAD BUT MAYBE OK ABORTION, LEGAL OK?

THERE'S A LOT OF CHANGES GOING ON HERE.

>> A LOT OF WORD SMITHING AND SHE WALKED BACK TO SAFE BUT RARE AND SAME THING THE SPOKESMAN SAID SAYING IN THE COURTS TO ALL OF THE STATEMENTS BECAUSE LAURIE SAID SHE WOULD SIGN THAT TEXAS HEARTBEAT BILL AND I BELIEVE SHE AID IFSAID SHE WON PUSH FOR WOULDN'T PUSH FOR A STRONGER BAN AND THAT IS ONE THAT GOES INTO EFFECT AND GOES INTO THE LEGISLATURE WHEN REASONABLES TO ENACT A STRICTER BAN.

I HAVE A HARD TIME SEEING THAT AND SAID THAT FREE STATEHOOD BAN IS A GOOD LAW.

SHE'S PRO-LIFE AND ANTIABORTION.

>> Ted: TO HER CREDIT AND BACKING HER UP, YOU CAN BE AGAINST ABORTION AND WANT IT RARE AND LEGAL, CAN YOU NOT?

>> WELL, YEAH.

I THINK THAT WHAT LAURIE MENTIONED EARLIER, THAT'S BEEN THE POSITION FOR A LOT OF DEMOCRATS, YOU KNOW, FOR DECADES NOW.

A LOT OF ABORTION RIGHT'S ACTIVISTS, THAT IS KIND OF WHAT THE GOAL IS.

AND A LOT OF THE WAYS TO DO THAT AND THINGS TO MAKE IT EASIER TO ACCESS BIRTH CONTROLS AND, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE SEX ED IN SCHOOLS AND THINGS WE'VE SEEN REPUBLICANS RALLY AGAINST AT THE STATE AND FEDERAL LEVEL AND HAS BECOME A FOOTBALL IN THE POLITICAL CULTURE WAR.

>> Ted: AND LAST QUESTION ON THIS.

SHE WON'T LOSE ANY OF HER SUPPORT IF SHE SAYS SOMETHING LIKE THIS, CAN SHE PICK UP SUPPORT FROM THE MIDDLE AND SUBURBANS AND THE WHOLE NINE YARDS.

>> ON THIS ISSUE?

>> Ted: YES.

>> I THINK IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT.

SHE WANT TO PAINT HOBBS TO HAVE ABORTIONS UP UNTIL BIRTH AND SHE SAID THIS IS A DECISION TO BE MADE BY A WOMAN AND HER DOCTOR IN AN EXAM ROOM AND SHE WOULD ALLOW IT AT ANY POINT.

GOING BACK TO THE REALITY OF THE THING, ABORTIONS DON'T HAPPEN LATE-TERM VERY OFTEN.

WHEN THEY DO, IT IS FOR SOME DEEPLY PERSONAL PAINFUL REASON AND NOT LIKE SOMEBODY IS GOING, OH, BOY, WE HAVE A CHANCE TO JERK THIS KID OUT OF THE BIRTH CONTROL AND KILL THE GERBER BABY.

I THINK MOST PEOPLE IN THE MIDDLE UNDERSTAND THAT AND NOT COMING AFTER HOBBS ON THIS ISSUE WILL BE THAT SUCCESSFUL.

>> Ted: LET'S GO TO ANOTHER CANDIDATE, MARK FINCHEM, JEREMY, HIS EARLY VOTING RECORD DURING THE DEBATE QUESTIONED AND FINALLY GOT AN ANSWER SAYING I DON'T CARE FOR IT AND THAT'S WHY I DON'T DO IT.

WE FIND OUT FROM DILLON ROSENBLATT, HE DOES IT AND QUITE A BIT.

>> AND THAT 28 OF THE LAST 30 ELECTIONS, I BELIEVE, HE VOTED EARLY AND DID NOT DO THAT THIS YEAR AND HIS ARGUMENT IS THAT, I VOTED EARLY AND HAPPY TO DO THAT AND LEARNED HOW INSECURE THE SYSTEM IS.

AND THEREIN, THE PROBLEM, THE SYSTEM IS NOT INSECURE.

PEOPLE CASTING ASPERSIONS.

THE SYSTEM DIDN'T CHANGE.

PEOPLE'S OPINIONS CHANGED AND BASED COMPLETELY ON FALSE INFORMATION SPREAD.

WE SAW THIS IN 2020 WHEN PRESIDENT TRUMP STARTED FALSELY TELLING PEOPLE THAT THE SYSTEM WAS PROBLEMATIC AND MARK FIMCHNCHEM CITED THE 2000 MULE'S MOVIE AND IT'S NOT EVEN ABOUT FRAUD AND THE PERCEPTION.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT FACTS BUT PERCEPTIONS AND WHAT PEOPLE HAVE DONE TO FALSELY CAST ASPERSIONS ON IT.

>> Ted: DID ROSENBLATT VOTED IN AN EARLY PRIMARY OR DID WE KNOW THAT?

>> NOT IN YEAR.

IT WAS SOMETHING LIKE 28 OF 29.

>> Ted: COULD THE POINT BE MADE THAT HE DID VOTE EARLY AND OFTEN, BUT NOW THAT HE FIGURED OUT THAT THERE WAS ALL OF THESE PROBLEMS, HE DECIDED AGAINST IT?

>> THAT IS CERTAINLY HIS POSITION AND I THINK THE PREROGATIVE OF ANY VOTER TO CAST THEIR BALLOT.

I AM SOMEONE WOULD ALWAYS GO TO THE POLLS AND LIFE GOT HECTIC AND VOTING EARLY MADE MORE SENSE ALONG WITH 90% OF OTHER VOTERS IN MARICOPA COUNTY.

AND I THINK IT'S UP TO VOTERS AND WE'VE GOTTEN A ROBUST EARLY VOTING SYSTEM AND SOMETHING IN PLACE FOR, GOSH, 30 YEARS AND ARIZONA HAS PIONEERED THE PROGRAM AND THE WAY TO CONDUCT EARLY VOTING AND A MODEL FOR A LOT OF THE OTHER STATES.

>> THE THING ABOUT Mr. FIMNCHE, PEOPLEMr.

FINCHEM, PEOPLE ARE PIVOTING AND PEOPLE BELIEVE THERE ARE MULES AND HE'S GOING ON ABOUT THIS ENDING EARLY VOTING THE WEEK BEFORE, I THINK IT WAS NEXT WEDNESDAY, THE EARLY BALLOTS COME OUT AND PEOPLE WILL GET EARLY BALLOTS KNOWING THEY CAN SIT IN THEIR OWN LIVING ROOM WITH THEIR VOTER REFERENCE GUIDE AND OF COURSE ALL OF MY RECOMMENDATIONS AND MAKE THEIR BALLOTS OUT SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO STAND IN LINE FOR HOURS ON END IN NOVEMBER.

AND YET, HE'S STILL PUSHING THIS ISSUE.

IT IS NOT A WINNING ISSUE FOR SOMEONE TRYING TO REACH SOMEONE IN THE MIDDLE.

>> Ted: DIDN'T WE SEE A COUPLE OF POLLS NOT DOING SO BADLY AGAINST FONTES.

>> OVERSTATED, HE WAS UP BY SMALL MARGINS.

THE DEMOCRATS JUST LAUNCHED A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR TV CAMPAIGN AGAINST FINCHEM BEFORE EARLY BALLOTS GO OUT AND I DON'T KNOW IF HE GETS SUPPORT ALONG SIMILAR LINES AND THE ADS HAMMERED HIM HARD AND WE'LL SEE IF THAT MOVES THE NEED NEEDLE NOW AND IT LOOKS LIKE FINCHEM IN THE LEAD.

>> I THINK THE ROLLING INDUSTRY, THE LAST FIVE YEARS HAS FOUND ITSELF ON SHIFTING SANDS AND WHAT YOU CAN TAKE AWAY FROM THAT, THIS IS A DOWN-BALLOT RACE.

AND VOTERS IN A LOT OF CASES IN THESE RACES DEFAULT TO WHAT THEIR GENERAL PARTISAN PREFERENCE IS.

THERE HAS NOT BEEN A LOT OF, YOU KNOW COMMUNICATION WITH VOTERS OR THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO CUT THROUGH THE NOISE.

WE'LL SEE IF THE SPENDING AGAINST MARK FINCHEM IS ABLE TO DO THAT.

YOU CAN'T TURN ON THE TV.

EVERY COMMERCIAL BREAK IS POLITICAL ADS AND A TON OF FOCUS ON THE U.S. SENATE RACE FOR OBVIOUSLY REASONS AND THE GOVERNOR'S RACE.

THIS NEEDS TO BREAK THROUGH AND FIND A MESSAGE THAT COMMUNITY KATECOMMUNICATEWITH SOCIETIERS.

>> Ted: WILLVOTERS.

>> Ted: WILL IT BREAK THROUGH THE NOVA SCOTIA?

>> NOISE?

>> I THINK SO BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A BIG ISSUE.

>> Ted: I'M TED SIMONS AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US AND HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.

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