>> Ted: NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON, THE JOURNALIST'S ROUND ROUNDTABLE AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT DEBATES OVER DEBATES.

LATER, HOW CHANGES IN HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL COULD LEAD TO FEWER CONCUSSIONS.

GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

I'M TED SIMONS.

IT'S FRIDAY AND THAT MEANS IT'S TIME FOR THE JOURNALIST'S ROUNDTABLE AND JOINING US FOR A LOOK AT THE WEEK'S TOP STORIES, MARY JOPITZEL, CAMRYN SANCHEZ AND HOWIE FISCHER.

PANEL, GOOD TO HAVE YOU ALL HERE AND WE'LL START WITH THE DEBATE OVER DEBATES.

OBVIOUSLY THE GOVERNOR DEBATE AND YOU FOE KNOW WHAT'S BREAKING LOSE AND AZ PBS AND ARIZONA HORIZON, THE STATEMENT FROM THE STATION AND FROM ARIZONA STATE UNIVERSITY AND THE CRONKITE STOOL AND OFFERED LAKE AND HOBBS, AND OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS A NEWS AGENCY TO PROVIDE THE PUBLIC WITH ACCESS TO THE PUBLIC SO THEY CAN LEARN MORE AND MAKE MORE INFORMED DECISIONS.

I JUST WANT TO SAY BEFORE WE START THAT I CAN'T SPEAK TO MORE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW ANYMORE AND THIS IS OBVIOUSLY WHERE ALL THIS HAPPENED AND HAPPENED IN AREAS I'M NOT PRIVY BUT HOWIE, IT HAPPENED AND BOY, DID IT HAPPEN.

>> WE KNOW THE BACK STORY.

THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A CLEAN ELECTION'S DEBATE, KATIE WAS IN AND THEN SHE WAS OUT AND KARI SAID, I WANT A DEBATE AND WE WENT BACK AND FORTH.

THE CLEAN ELECTION'S COMMISSION LISTENED TO HER COMPLAINT, TO KARI'S COMPLAINT AND SAID, NO, YOU KNOW, YOU WON'T GET A DEBATE.

KATIE WANTED THE 30 MINUTES ON HER OWN AND COMMISSION SAID YOU WON'T GET THAT.

THAT'S BEEN OUR POL I.

POLICY.

THE STATION HAS BEEN AROUND, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY ALMOST AS OLD AS I AM.

THERE IS AN OBLIGATION TO DO THIS, BUT THIS WAS HANDLED BADLY.

THERE'S ALSO BEEN A 20-YEAR COMMITMENT TO THE CLEAN ELECTION'S COMMISSION.

THE UNDERSTANDING IS CLEAN ELECTION'S COMMISSION, DON'T PUT YOUR SPIN ON THE DEBATE, YOU DON'T GET TIME ON YOUR OWN.

IT WAS -- IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN HANDLED OTHERWISE.

IF THE STATION WANTED TO MAKE A DECISION SAYING WE'LL DO IT ON OUR OWN, FIRST OF ALL, DON'T BLIND-SIDE THE CLEAN ELECTION'S COMMISSION.

FIND ANOTHER WAY OF FIGURING IT OUT, BUT IT WAS HANDLED IN SUCH A WAY THAT THIS SHOULD BE A LESSON FOR THE PUBLIC RELATION'S DEPARTMENT ON HOW NOT TO DO IT.

>> Ted: CAMRYN?

>> HOBBS REFUSES TO DEBATE LAKE AND THAT MAKES IT BREAK FROM TRADITION.

CLEAN ELECTIONS IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT HIRES US AS MODERATORS FOR DEBATES, YOURSELF, ME, MARY JO, WE ARE OUR OWN CAPACITIES AND YOU'RE BETWEEN A ROCK AND HARD PLACE WHEN IT COMES TO, YOU KNOW, IS IT FAIR TO LET JUST LAKE SPEAK BUT NOT HOBBS OR FAVORING ONE CANDIDATE OVER ANOTHER, THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE?

OR SHOULD WE LET HOBBS SPEAK SO THEY CAN HEAR FROM BOTH CANDIDATES AT LEAST, BUT IS THAT CODDLING OR FAVORING THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND IT BECOMES A PARTISAN ISSUE?

I THINK THIS IS BLOWN OUT OF PROPORTION BUT IN REALITY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S THE BETTER THING.

NO MATTER WHAT YOU'RE DO, YOU'RE CATERING TO ONE PARTY MORE THAN ANOTHER.

AS JOURNALISTS, WE TRY NOT TO DO THAT.

I HONESTLY CAN SEE BOTH SIDES AND IT'S FRUSTRATING.

>> WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT ALL OF THIS IS THAT THE DEBATE, THERE IS NO DEBATE, NO CANDIDATE DEBATE THAT WILL HAPPEN UNLESS SOMETHING TREMENDOUS HAPPENS IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS.

THE ACTUAL DEBATE IS MORE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW ALL THIS CAME ABOUT AND WHAT IS THE LANE FOR ASU AND WHAT IS THE LANE FOR THE CLEAN ELECTION'S COMMISSION AND THE PARTNER AT ARIZONA HORIZON.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU HAVE A LOT OF CONFUSION AND AN INTERNAL POLITICAL KIND OF DISCUSSION AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THIS RESONATES WITH VOTERS.

>> Ted: I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU, IS THIS A TEMPEST IN A TEAPOT?

>> THE STORYLINES ARE WELL DRAWN.

IT'S BEEN WRITTEN ABOUT INCESSSANTLY, HOBBS DOES NOT WANT TO BATTLE LAKE AND DRAW FROM WHAT THAT YOU WILL AND LAKE CLEARLY WANTS A DEBATE BUT WAS WILLING TO COME ON AND DO A 30-MINUTE INTERVIEW AS THE RULES ALLOWED.

>> WITHOUT 30 MINUTES FOR KATIE.

PART OF THE PROBLEM WITH HOW THIS IS HANDLED, KATIE WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER OFF HAD NONE OF THIS COME UP, HAD KARI HAD GOTTEN HER 30 MINUTES.

WE WOULD HAVE WATCHED AND WATCHED THE INTERACTION.

YOU HAVE A SITUATION WHERE THE WHOLE DECISION PROCESS RESULTED IN KARI HAVING A PRESS CONFERENCE OUT IN FRONT OF THIS BUILDING, PULLING OUT CHECKS, SHOWING HOW KATIE HAD TO PAY OUT MONEY OR THE STATE PAID OUT MONEY BECAUSE OF A FIRED SENATE STAFFER AND ALL THIS HAS BEEN AN ABSOLUTE MOVEMENT FOR KARI.

KATIE SHOULD HAVE STAYED QUIET AND LET HER DO HER 28 MINUTES AND WE'LL MOVE ON.

>> Ted: I WANT TO MOVE ON FROM THE DECISION TO THE ACTUAL RESULTS, WHICH RIGHT NOW IT SOUNDS LIKE BOTH CANDIDATES WILL BE HERE FOR A SEPARATE 30 MINUTES AND WE DON'T KNOW IF THAT WILL HAPPEN BECAUSE THERE'S AN ULTIMATUM.

HOWIE SAID THIS HAS BEEN A BOON.

HAS THIS HURT KATIE HOBBS?

WHAT IMPACT HAS THIS HAD?

>> IT'S A BOON FOR KARI LAKE AND NOT ONLY IS SHE GETTING THIS LITTLE SCANDAL BUT TURNING THIS INTO, LIKE, A MONTH'S LONG SCANDAL.

IT STARTED OUT WITH HOBBS NOT WANTING TO DEBATE AND WEEK AFTER WEEK WE'VE WRITTEN ABOUT IT AND IT CONTINUES TO BE IN THE PUBLIC EYE.

WHEREAS AS IF, IF IT HAD BEEN ONE OCCURRENCE, IT WOULD BE OVER.

>> FOR PEOPLE PAYING ATTENTION TO THE INSIDER DETAILS, YOU KNOW, IT CEMENTED THE REPUTATION OF LAKE AS UNAFRAID, AS AGGRESSIVE AND HOBBS, RET RETICENT TO SIT DOWN AND DO A DEBATE.

PEOPLE PROBABLY MADE THEIR MINDS UP A LONG TIME AGO.

>> THERE'S ONE OTHER LOSER AND FORGIVE ME FOR SAYING THIS, THE UNIVERSITY AND REPUTATION OF THIS STATION.

I'VE BEEN DOING THIS SHOW ALMOST SINCE IT FIRST WENT ON THE AIR IN 1982.

WHEN THE UNIVERSITY SIGNED UP WITH THE CLEAN ELECTION'S COMMISSION, THEY KNEW THE RULES.

THEY AGREED TO ABIDE BY THEM.

I KNOW THEY'RE SAYING NO DEBATE AND THE DEAL WAS DEAD.

BUT IT WAS HANDLED SO POORLY, I'M HOPING THAT THE REPUTATION OF THIS STATION DOES NOT GET SULLIED AND IT CAN COME BACK.

>> I THINK THAT'S HARSH AND I DISCLOSED, I'M IN EVERYONE'S POCKETS AND I'M PBS AND IN EVERYONE'S POCKETS.

I DON'T THINK IT WAS APPROPRIATE FOR PBS, NO OFFENSE, TO MAKE THAT OFFER AND I BRISTLE AT CLEAN ELECTIONS TAKING UMBRAGE AT SOMETHING I DO AS A REPORTER IN MY OWN RITE.

NOT THAT I WOULD DO THIS, BUT HYPOTHETICALLY IF I'M MODERATING BETWEEN A AND B AND THROUGH CAPITAL TIMES TALK TO B AND WRITE ABOUT IT, IF CLEAN ELECTIONS IS UPSET WITH ME -- >> BUT THE DIFFERENCE IS, THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT.

THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT.

>> BUT IT'S SEPARATE AND PBS, NOT CLEAN ELECTIONS AND PBS OFFERING.

>> BUT PBS WAS NOT GOING TO OFFER THAT.

THE STATION WAS NOT GOING TO OFFER THAT SEPARATE FROM THE DEBATE.

IF YOU SIGN A DEAL, KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SIGNING.

>> Ted: BEFORE WE LEAVE THIS, IS KARI LAKE OVERPLAYING HER HAND ON THIS?

IS THIS SOMETHING THAT FOCUSING AGAIN ON THE REASONS THAT HOBBS ISN'T WANT TO DEBATE AND THAT IS THE SPECTACLE, THE INTERRUPTIONS, THE ELECTION DENIALS?

OBVIOUSLY OUR OTHER TWO PANELS THINK THIS IS A BOON FOR KARI LAKE.

HAS SHE GONE TOO FAR ON THIS?

>> I THINK FOR WHATEVER THE UNDECIDED VOTERS ARE, THIS DISCUSSION HAS WITHIN BEEN GOING ON FOR SIX TO EIGHT WEEKS.

>> Ted: IN A CLOSE RACE, LITTLE THINGS CAN MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE AND CAN THIS LITTLE THING MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE IN.

>> I?

>> I THINK SO.

I THINK IT'S A MISTAKE FOR HOBBS.

MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION.

I WOULD ALSO MENTION, KARI LAKE HAS THIS THING GOING WITH REPRESENTATIVE KAVANAUGH AND HE WANTS TO DEFUND, WHICH I THINK IS OVERPLAYING.

>> AS WE SOMETIMES COVER THE CAPITAL, SOMETIMES JOHN CAVANAGH IS UNAVAILABLE FOR COMMENT.

>> Ted: LET'S MOVE ONTO MARY JO IN COCHESE COUNTY, THEY WANT TO DO A HAN HAND COUNT.

>> TWO OF THE THREE MEMBERS SAY THEY'VE HEARD FROM VOTERS, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE PART OF THE GROUP CALLED "WE, THE PEOPLE" HAVE CONTINUED DISTRUST IN THE ELECTIONS AND BELIEVE A HAND COUNT IS THE MOST RELIABLE THING TO DO.

SO THE DISCUSSION CAME UP THIS WEEK, WELL, HOW CAN WE DO THAT AND LET'S GET IT ROLLING AND WANTED TO START IT COMMENSURATE WITH THE START OF EARLY VOTING WHICH WAS WEDNESDAY.

THE ATTORNEY WHO ADVISES THE BOARD SAID WE CAN'T DO THAT AND THERE IS NOT STATUTORY AUTHORITY TO DO IT OR ANY KIND OF AUTHORIZATION IN THE ELECTION BIBLE CALLED THE ELECTION'S PROCEDURE'S MANUAL.

WHAT'S HAPPENED SINCE THEN, THEY SORT OF BACKED OFF.

ALTHOUGH, I'LL TOLD THEY ARE STILL CONTEMPLATING DOING A HAND COUNT ON ELECTION'S DAY OR AFTER ELECTION DAY AND DO A HAND COUNT.

>> THAT'S THE KEY, YOU CAN DO THAT AND LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED IN MARICOPA COUNTY, WHERE THEY DID GIVE THE PLOTS BALLOTS OVER TO THIS QUOTE, UNQUOTE KANAWHA COUNTY.

YOU COUNT THEM BY HAND AND IF THEY COME OUT EVEN, THEN THAT SHOWS -- >> BUT THAT'S JUST A SAMPLE, BUT THEY WANT THE WHOLE THING.

>> OF COURSE, THEY DO.

BUT AGAIN, NO PROCEDURE AND THE ELECTION LAW HAS BEEN CEMENTED FOR YEARS.

YOU DO IT THIS WAY.

IF AFTER THE RESULTS ARE ANNOUNCED, MAYBE EVEN AFTER THE CANVAS, YOU WANT TO HAVE A HAND COUNT FOR WHATEVER PURPOSE AND SPEND THE MONEY, FINE.

YOU CANNOT DO THIS AND HAVE TWO SETS OF RESULTS RELEASED.

>> Ted: DO THESE PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THEY'RE ASKING IN TERMS OF WHAT WOULD ACTUALLY HAPPEN TO DO IT INDIVIDUALLY?

IN ALL COUNTIES, THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS ON A BALLOT.

ARE THEY AWARE OF WHAT THEY'RE ASKING?

>> YES, BUT I THINK IT'S A BIG UNDERTAKING AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE THE VOLUNTEERS WHO KNOW WHAT THEY WOULD BE DOING AND WILLING TO PUT IN THAT MUCH TIME.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WEEKS, MONTHS OF HAN HAND COUNTING.

I DON'T KNOW THEY HAVE THE SUPPORT.

THEY HAVE THE PURCELL PRINCIPLE NOT TO DO THIS CHANGE BECAUSE IT COULD MESS UP AND CONFUSE VOTERS AND MESS UP THE ELECTION'S OFFICIAL'S PROCESS.

>> MOSTLY THEY INVOKE THIS DOCTRINE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T CHANGE PROCEDURES THIS CLOSE TO AN ELECTION.

TO YOUR QUESTION, I MEAN, I THINK THESE PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR AND THEY PAINTED THIS AS ALL SUNSHINE AND TULIPS AND WE CAN DO A HAND COUNT AND MATCH AND ALL CALM GREAT AND THIS IS A WAY TO RAISE QUESTIONS ABOUT ELECTION'S PROCEDURES.

>> AND COMING BACK TO CAMERON'S POINT, LOOK HOW LONG IT TOOK MARICOPA COUNTY AND TOOK A COLISEUM TO COUNT TWO RACES AND LOOK HOW MANY WEEKS THAT TOOK.

YOU HAVE STATE-WIDE RACES, LEGISLATIVE RACES, YOU HAVE FEDERAL RACES AND JP RACES AND BALLOT MEASURES.

I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.

WE'LL DO THE FIRST COUPLE OF RACE INTERESTSS.

YOU WANT A HAND COUNT AND UNDERSTAND WHAT'S INVOLVED.

>> Ted: THAT WAS MY QUESTION AND I WONDER IF THE DOG REALLY KNOWS WHAT THE CAR IS CHASING IS DOING WHEN IT STOPS.

>> WE'LL SEE IF THE 142 VOLUNTEERS WHO SAY THEY ARE HAPPY TO HAND COUNT ARE STILL HAPPY IN MARCH.

[ Laughter ] >> WHEN THEY'RE STILL GOING THROUGH IT.

>> Ted: THAT'S IN COCHESE COUNTY.

THE MASSIVE BALLOT HARVESTING SCHEME.

>> FOUR BALLOTS AND THERE WERE PEOPLE -- LOOK MARK FINCHEN ON THIS BAIT DEBATE SAYS THERE WAS BALLOT HARVESTING.

IS IT AN APPROPRIATE SENTENCE?

I DON'T KNOW.

BUT, AGAIN, ALL OF THIS TALK ABOUT MASSIVE, MASSIVE BALLOT FRAUD AND ALL THIS TAKE THAT THINGSTALK THATTHINGS WOULD HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT DIFFERENT.

>> THEY WERE IN AUGUST OF 2020 PRIMARIES AND NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.

>> Ted: THE ENVELOPES WERE SIGNED BY QUALIFIED VOTERS.

INTERESTING THE JUDGE -- >> SHE DIDN'T FEEL BAD ENOUGH.

>> Ted: I'LL SEND YOU IN THERE FOR 30 DAYS.

>> FROM HER PERSPECTIVE SHE DROPPED OFF BALLOTS THEY WERE LEGIT BALLOTS.

>> SHE BROKE THE LAW AND WHEN YOU BREAK THE LAW, YOU ARE A CRIMINAL.

>> RURAL COUNTIES, JUDGES ARE ELECTED AND THIS JUDGE FIGURED, WHEN I'M UP ON THE BALLOT, I WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE REMEMBER I TALKED ABOUT BALLOT HARVESTS.

>> Ted: HOWIE, A PROJECT DEMOCRACY IN YAVAPAI AND WHAT'S THIS ALL ABOUT?

>> THEY HAVE 19 DROP BOXES IN YAVAPAI AND USUALLY IN FRONT OF GOVERNMENT OFFICES AND THESE TWO GROUPS INCLUDING THIS LION'S GROUP AND NOT -- >> LIONS OF LIBERTY.

>> THANK YOU.

HAVE SAID WE'LL HAVE PEOPLE STAKE OUT AT EVERY DROP BOXES, IF WE CAN, 24/7, WE'LL TAKE PICTURES OF YOU, GET YOU A LICENSE NUMBER IF YOU'RE DROPPING OFF MULTIPLE BALLOTS.

I CAN BRING IN MY WIFE'S BALLOT, THE BALLOT OF ANYBODY ELSE WHO LIVES WITH ME AND IF I'M A CARETAKER, BRINGING IN MULTIPLE BALLOTS THAT WAY AND THEY'RE CONVINCED THIS WILL SCARE OFF THE TWO THOUSAND MULES, THAT WHOLE FRAUD THING THERE AND THE PROBLEM BECOMES, THERE'S A FINE LINE BECOME BEING IN A PUBLIC PLACE, WATCHING A VOTER BOX AND VOTER INTIMIDATION.

WHEN THE GUY SAID, I ASKED WILL YOU PEOPLE BE ARMED AND HE AID, EVERYONE HERE CARRIES A GUN.

>> Ted: IS IT THAT FINE OF A LINE?

IT SOUNDS LIKE INTIMIDATION.

>> THERE'S ANOTHER GROUP SAYING YOU HAVE TO STOP IT OR, YOU KNOW, WE'LL TAKE ACTION AND MAKE A COMPLAINT AGAINST IT.

I THOUGHT THIS SOUNDED FAMILIAR ANDAND I WENT BACK AND WE READ ABOUT THE TIME KELLY TOWNSEND WITH THE TWO THOUSAND MILLION PEOPLE SAID WE'LL HAVE VIGILANTES AND DON'T TRY THE FRAUD AND THE FOUR OF US SAT HERE AND TALKED ABOUT IT.

>> AT THAT TIME, I TALKED TO THE U.S. ATTORNEY FOR ARIZONA AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, IS IT INTIMIDATION, WHETHER YOU'RE OUTSIDE OF THE 75 LIMITED POLLING PLACES?

IT'S NOT THAT SIMPLE, THERE'S A FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT TO BE ARMED AND A RIGHT TO BE IN A PUBLIC PLACE.

IT COMES TOWN TO DOWN DOWN TO PROVING INTENT.

WERE THERE THREATS MADE.

WE'LL TAKE THE DOWN AND FORWARD IT TO THE SHERIFF.

WE HAVE A HARD TIME THIS CROSSES THE LINE.

>> WILL THEY STAKE OUT MAILBOXES, AS WELL, FOR PEOPLE WHO CHOOSE TO USE THE U.S. MAIL TO RETURN THEIR BALLOT?

>> MOST PEOPLE DROP THEIRS IN THE MAIL.

>> Ted: AREN'T THEIR CAMERAS AT OR NEAR THESE BOXES ANYWAY?

>> I CAN'T SPEAK COMPREHENSIVELY TO EVERY BOX IN THE STATE, ESPECIALLY SINCE 2020, THEY TAKE CARE TO LOCATE THEM OUTSIDE OF GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS WHERE THERE ARE PEOPLE WORKING IN THE BUILDING.

I DON'T KNOW THAT MEANS SOMEBODY IS WATCHING THEM 24/7.

>> Ted: SO WE'VE GONE FROM COCHESE TO YUM MA TO MARICOPA.

>> PROP 309 REQUIRING MORE VOTER I.D.

AND HE'S OPPOSED TO IT AND SEVERAL OF THE REPORTERS ARE AND POSTED ABOUT THAT ON A GOVERNMENT WEBSITE WHICH IS TRYING TO INFLUENCE THE OUTCOME AND TOOK IT DOWN AND SAID SORRY AND A COMPLAINT WAS FILED BY LA LASOTA AND THE BALL IS IN THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S COURT.

>> Ted: ANYTHING GOING TO COME OF THIS MARY JO?

>> WHO KNOWS.

THEY WORK AT THEIR OWN PACE AND STILL HAVE THE FINDINGS FROM THE AUDIT WE HAVEN'T HEARD ABOUT AND THERE'S MORE.

ALTHOUGH RICHARD DID TAKE DOWN THIS STATEMENT FROM THE RECORDER'S ASSOCIATION, WHICH PRESENTED ITSELF AS A POSITION OF ALL 15 COUNTY RECORDERS, DAVID STEVENS SAYING I DON'T AGREE WITH THIS AND I SUPPORT 309 AND MY OFFICE SHOULD NOT BE ON THIS LETTER THAT CONDEMNS IT.

HE SAYS, LOOK, I TOOK THE LETTER DOWN AND DOESN'T EXIST ANYPLACE ELSE.

STEVENS ISN'T LETTING GO AND DEMANDINGANDDEMANDING A RETRACTION.

>> Ted: SOMEONE IN HIS OFFICE AGREED AND NOT HIM.

>> SOME OF THE RECORDERS SEE THIS AS AN ADDITIONAL BURDEN AND SOME FOR THE MAIL-IN BALLOTS TO PROVIDE YOUR DATE OF BIRTH AND ANOTHER I.D., A DRIVER'S LICENSE NUMBER AND FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WALK IN RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN PRESENT TWO NON-PHOTO FORMS AND THIS WOULD REQUIRE A NEW PHOTO FORM AND YOU COULDN'T USE A UTILITY BILL AND THEY SEE THIS AS A HASSLE.

>> THIS HAS TO BE UNEXFIRED UNEXSPIRED.

>> OR YOU BRING IN YOUR PASSPORT AND YOU NEED MORE I.D.

IF IT PASSES, IT WILL TAKE AN EDUCATION CAMPAIGN.

>> IF IT PASSES, IT'S LITIGATED.

I'M TALKING ABOUT OTHER LAWS ABOUT WHO GETS TO REGISTER AND PEOPLE HAVE TO BE PURGED AND WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT IT AND MONTHS TO COME.

>> Ted: LET GO TO PINAL COUNTY AND THIS IS A STORY AND NOT A BLOCKBUSTER AND IT'S INTERESTING, VIRGINIA ROSS UP AT $200,000 HERE FOR, WHAT, FOUR MONTHS AND YOU'RE LAUGHING.

>> I THINK IT'S AN INTERESTING STORY.

>> Ted: OH, DO YOU, WE'LL GET TO YOU IN A SECOND.

MARY, JO, THAT'S A GOOD STORY.

>> THERE WAS A PUBLIC RECORD'S REQUEST AND FOUND OUT ROSS IS BEING MADE $175,000 AND SOUNDS LIKE AN ATHLETIC CONTRACT AND $125,000 BONUS IS THINGS GO SMOOTHLY FOR THE FALL LEX.

ELECTION.

ROSS IS A FORMER COUNTY RECORDER WHO MOVED OVER TO THE ATHLETIC SPOT BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE TABOO ALLEGATIONTABULATION HAPPENS.

>> THINGS GOT SCREWED UP SO BAD, LET JUST FIND SOMEBODY WHO WILL TAKE THIS.

>> OR IT COULD BE SHE SAID, HEY YOU NEED SOMEBODY TO TAKE THIS AND IF YOU WANT ME, I'LL BE ASKING FOR A LOT OF MONEY WHICH I RESPECT.

NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE COULD COULD DO THE JOB.

>> Ted: BLAKE MASTERS, I REMEMBER DURING THE DEBATE, I REMEMBER ASKING THE QUESTION AND HIM SAYING THAT THE ELECTION DENIAL, THAT THE ELECTION PROCESS, HE HADN'T SEEN ANY EVIDENCE OF THAT AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN ON FOX, HE'S SAYING I BELIEVE THAT'S FOR SURE, THAT DONALD TRUMP SHOULD STILL BE THE PRESIDENT.

>> WELL, HE WAS REALLY FUNNY AND CAGEY WITH YOU.

YOU HAD TO DRAG IT OUT OF HIM, THAT HE SAW NO EVIDENCE OF ELECTION FRAUD.

THEN HE WENT ONTO SAY THAT THE FBI HAD BLACKMAILED TWITTER AND THESE OTHER FOLKS TO HIDE HUNDREDHUNDREDHUNTERBIDEN'S STUFF.

I THINK BLAKE MASTERS IS DOING ONE OF THESE AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO I GET MORE VOTES AND HE'S TRYING TO LOOK AT THE AUDIENCE.

IF YOU'RE TALKING TO FOX, YOU HAVE ONE AUDIENCE AND HERE, YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT AUDIENCE.

>> Ted: AREN'T YOU SUPPOSED TO GO TO THE CENTER AND NOT BE SO EXTREME.

>> HE MADE A VISIT TO THE CENTER AND WENT BACK TO THE RIGHT.

HE STARTED OFF ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL IN THE PRIMARY SAYING YES, THE ELECTION IS STOLEN, DOING EVERYTHING TO GET TRUMP'S ENDORSEMENT WHICH HE GOT AND SCRUBS HIS WEBSITE, TAKES THAT OFF, THE PART HE SAYS THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN.

HE GOES ON YOUR SHOW AND SAYS AFTER YOU ASKED FIVE TIMES, I THINK THAT BIDEN IS THE PRESIDENT BECAUSE LOOK AT ALL OF THE BAD STUFF HE'S DONE.

BUT THE MEDIA HAD A ROLE IN THE 2020 ELECTION IN THAT THEY BURIED THE STORY THAT WOULD HAVE TAKEN VOTES FROM BIDEN AND THE VOTERS DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THEY WOULD BE DOING AND THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE OF THE STOLEN ELECTION.

AND ON FOX NEWS AND SAYS, OF COURSE, DONALD TRUMP SHOULD BE THE PRESIDENT, IF, IF THE ELECTION HADN'T BEEN STOLEN FROM HIM.

SO IT'S A FAR RIGHT POSITION AT THE BEGINNING.

>> Ted: MARY JO, IS THIS AN IMPACT IN THIS RACE?

>> TO THE POINT IT GETS REPORTED OUT AND THIS CANDIDATE HAS DONE A PIVOT AND A REVERSE PIVOT, BACK FLIP.

THE POINT HERE TO SAY WHAT YOU BELIEVE AND STICK WITH IT?

I THOUGH THAT'S POLYANNISH?

>> LOOK, HE DID THE SAME THING ON THE ABORTION ISSUE.

THERE'S TAPE OF HIM SAYING ABORTION SHOULD BE OUTLAWED.

>> DEMONIC.

>> I HAVE TO KEEP MY TERMS PROPER HERE.

>> AND THEN IT WAS ME SCRUBBING A WEBSITE OF ALL OF THAT STUFF AND THEN, WELL, I SUPPORT THE 15-WEEK BAN, WHICH IS WHAT DOUG DUCEY SUPPORTS.

WE THINK DOUG SUPPORTS.

HE'S OFF IN MICHIGAN DOING SOMETHING ELSE.

WHO IS BLAKE MASTERS?

I HAVE NO IDEA BASED ON THE 42 DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF HIM THAT HAVE APPEARED.

>> Ted: WITH THAT, WE WILL HAVE TO STOP AND THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE AND WE APPRECIATE IT.

THAT'S IT FOR NOW.

I'M TED SIMONS AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.