>> Ted: COMING UP NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON, IT'S THE JOURNALIST'S ROUNDTABLE AND WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THE TOP STORIES INCLUDING OUR GUBERNATORIAL INTERVIEWS THAT DID AND DID NOT MAP.

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GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

I'M TED SIMONS.

IT'S FRIDAY AND THAT MEANS IT'S TIME FOR THE JOURNALIST'S ROUNDTABLE AND JOINING US FOR A LOOK AT THE TOP STORIES, JONATHAN COOPER OF THE ASSOCIATED PRESS AND RICHARD RUELAS.

THAT'S YOU.

>> THAT'S ME.

>> Ted: THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.

WE'LL START WITH YOU.

WE DID THE KATIE HOBBS' INTERVIEW AND YOU SAW THIS.

THIS WAS IN LIEU OF THE DEBATE AND WE DID THIS LAST WEEK.

BUT JUST THE INTERVIEW ITSELF.

HOW DID IT GO?

>> I THINK SHE SAID EXPLICITLY, SHE WANTED TO TURN THE PAGE ON THE DEBATE AND THAT WAS HER MO.

WE HEARD A LOT OF THE STUFF SHE SAID ABOUT THE ELECTION AND HER FEELING THAT KARI LAKE IS DANGEROUS.

YOU KNOW, I THINK SHE DID A LITTLE -- SHE PUT IN THE WORK OR SHE SUCCEEDED, I THINK, IN CALMING SOME OF THE NERVES OF DEMOCRATS WHO HAVE BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT HER LACK OF PUBLIC APPEARANCES AND JUST THE WAY HER CAMPAIGN HAS BEEN GOING.

I THINK SHE WANTED TO TURN THE PAGE AND SAID THAT DIRECTLY.

>> Ted: WHEN I ASKED HER, PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED.

WILL YOU FIGHT OR AVOIDING THIS KIND OF STUFF?

SHE SAID SHE WAS AND WOULD FIGHT.

BELIEVABLE?

>> WELL, I THINK THE ONE THING WE MISSED, NOT TO GET BACK SPOT DEBATE ABOUT DEBATES, BUT AS A JOURNALIST, IN AN INTERVIEW, YOU CAN ASK PROBING QUESTIONS AND AS CLOSE AS A GOTCHA QUESTION BUT YOU'RE MISSING THE CONFRONTATION.

WHEN THE PERSON ON THE OTHER SIDE SAYS SOMETHING MEAN AND THAT'S WHAT WE DIDN'T GET TO SEE.

I MEAN, SHE HAD 27 MINUTES OR SO OF BEING ABLE TO ARTICULATE HER POSITION EXAS AAND AS A VIEWER, IT CAME OFF REHEARSED.

>> Ted: HOW SO?

>> I GUESS I PROBABLY WATCH MORE KATIHIE HOBBS' SPEECHES AND WE'VE HEARD THAT ANSWER BEFORE IN VARIOUS SPEECHES.

IF VIEWERS TOOK THE TIME TO WATCH IT, THEY GOT A SENSE OF WHO THIS PERSON AND A LOT OF PEOPLE MAY SEE LITTLE CLIPS HERE.

>> Ted: GO AHEAD.

>> THE REHEARSED ASPECT OF IT, I THINK IT'S PRESENT IN A LOT OF THE EVENTS SHE DOES.

SHE'S VERY GOOD AT STAYING ON HER TALK POINTS AND SO I THINK THAT CAME THROUGH.

IMPORTANTLY, FOR HER, SHE DIDN'T -- THERE WASN'T A VIRAL MOMENT THAT COULD BE USED AGAINST HER IN A BIG WAY LIKE THAT AND I THINK THAT WAS PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT WAS IMPORTANT.

>> THAT MIGHT BE ALL OF IT.

I MEAN YOU'RE SORT OF ASKING TO BE MAYBE THE STRATEGY AND WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL AFTER THE ELECTION AND HER CAMPAIGN STRATEGIST MAY TELL US THIS.

MAYBE THE THOUGHT IS TO BE KAW CAUTIOUS AND STAY SAFE.

KARI LAKE TONIGHT IS TO BE WITH MIKE LINDELL AND MAYBE YOU LET IT TAKE THE NEW CYCLE IF THAT HAPPENS.

>> Ted: THE POINT OF DEBATES IS TO NOT LET THE MODERATOR ASK THE QUESTIONS BUT TO HAVE TWO SIDES DEFEND YOUR POSITION.

RARELY IT IS.

BUT MOST OF THEM ARE SPIRITED, FOR LACK OF A BETTER PHRASE.

THERE'S NO WAY TO GET THAT IF THE OTHER PERSON IS NOT AN OPPONENT OF YOUR POSITION.

I MEAN, DID THIS CUT IT IN LIEU OF A DEBATE?

>> I GUESS THAT'S THE MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION FOR THE VOTERS TO DECIDE.

IS THAT GOOD ENOUGH FOR THEM?

YOU KNOW, YOU'RE RIGHT, VERY, VERY DIFFERENT FORMATS AND YOU GET A LOT OF DIFFERENT TAKE-AWAYS FROM THEM WITHOUT THAT OPPORTUNITY TO SORT OF SEE HOW YOU HANDLE IT WHEN YOU'RE PUT ON YOUR TOES BY SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO DEFEAT YOU AS OPPOSED TO A MORE NEUTRAL JOURNALIST.

>> AND KARI LAKE WILL HAVE HER VERSION OF WHAT HAPPENED HERE WITH KATIE HOBBS.

IT'S AT AZ TV AND A CONSERVATIVE TALK SHOW HOST WHO LETS HIS FEELINGS BE KNOWN.

I'M HOPEFUL HE DOES A GREAT JOB OF ASKING PROBING QUESTIONS, BUT IT WON'T BE THE SAME AS IF IT HAPPEN BEEN YOURSELF OR SANCHEZ OR SOME OF THE OTHER PEOPLE THEY TOYED WITH IN HOSTING IT ACCORDING TO THE SUBSTACK.

YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE POSSIBLY THE HARD-HITTING TYPE OF INTERVIEW WHERE SOMEONE IS CHALLENGED WHERE MIGHT HAVE EXPECTED.

>> Ted: THAT'S ON A SUNDAY WITH KTAR AND BOTTOM LINE, HOW MUCH DOES ALL OF THIS IMPACT THE RACE?

>> IT'S A HARD QUESTION.

I THINK THE HOBBS' CAMPAIGN WAS THAT IT ACCIDENT MATTER AT ALL.

I THINK THAT THE DEBATE OVER DEBATES GOT OUT OF HAND AND PLAYS INTO THE MESSAGE THAT HOBBS IS A CHICKEN AND NOT CUT OUT FOR THE BIG LEAGUES.

AND, YOU KNOW, THE RISK IS THAT IT DOES PLAY INTO THAT.

>> WELL, FORTUNATELY, IT LASTED ONE MORE NEWS CYCLE IT SHOULD HAVE BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT ENDED WHERE THE CANDIDATE, UNLIKE THE OTHER CANDIDATES, LEFT THROUGH THE LOADING DOCK AND DOWN AND SORT OF LEFT JOURNALISTS HANGS.

I WOULD ASKED FOR THAT LOADING DOCK SPOT.

>> Ted: WE'LL GIVE YOU A CALL.

>> IT WILL STOP THE AUTOGRAPH SEEKERS.

>> Ted: KTVK CAME OUT WITH A NUMBER OF POLLS AND THE GOVERNOR'S RACE THEY'VE GOT IS HOBBS LITERALLY ONE POINT AHEAD, 45.8, 44.8.

OF NOTE, LAKE IS LOSING TEN POINTS OF REPUBLICANS.

THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE HERE.

>> THOSE REPUBLICANS, THAT 10% TO 12% OF REPUBLICANS ARE THE DIFFERENCE MAKERS IN THE STATE-WIDE RACES HERE IN ARIZONA.

YOU SAW IN 2020 THAT MARK KELLY WON BY 2.4 POINTS AND IT WAS BECAUSE HE HAD QUITE A BIT OF SUPPORT AMONG INDEPENDENTS AND SUPPORT FROM THAT 10% TO 12%.

THEY PUSH YOU OVER THE EDGE AND THE TICKET-SPLITTING VOTES WITH DUCEY AND SINEMA WHO VOTED.

BIDEN AND KELLY AND REPUBLICANS DOWN THE BALLOT.

THESE RACES ARE REALLY CLOSE AND YEAH, THAT 10% OF REPUBLICANS IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE DECISIVE.

>> Ted: WHAT DOES THE LAKE CAMPAIGN TO DO ABOUT THAT?

>> THEY HAVE ADVANTAGES.

THEY'RE GOOD ON MALE VOTERS AND THEY'RE DOMINATING RURAL ARIZONA AND YOU IMMEDIATE TO MAKE SURE IT'S UP IN MARICOPA AND TRYING TO PRESENT HER WHO AS MODERATED AND SHE'S NOT THE KARI LAKE WE SAW IN THE PRIMARY AND MODERATED A BIT AND STILL SAYING NO MASKS.

SHE'S MODERATED A BIT AND HUGGED PRESIDENT TRUMP WHEN HE WAS HERE.

BUT I THINK YOU'RE TRYING TO JUST PLAY THIS NUMBER'S GAME AND BOTH I'DS ARE IN TRYING SIDES ARE IN TRYING TO EKE IT OUT.

>> GLENN YOUNGKIN WAS STRIKING OUT A PATH WHERE HE KEPT HIS DISTANCE FROM DONALD TRUMP AND DIDN'T SO AGGRESSIVELY EMBRACE THE FORMER PRESIDENT IN HIS CAMPAIGN AND WON A BLUE STATE IN VIRGINIA.

SHE'S CAMPAIGNING ALSO WITH FIGURING LIKE TED CRUZ AND FIGURES LIKE THE -- APPEARING OVER AND OVER WITH WELL-KNOWN REPUBLICANS, IT'S A REMINDER TO THOSE REPUBLICAN VOTERS THAT SHE IS THE CANDIDATE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND I THINK SHE'S TRYING TO THREAD THAT NEEDLE BY HUGGING DONALD TRUMP AND CAMPAIGNING WITH GLENN YOUNGKIN.

>> Ted: 39.6 AND MASTERS WAS 65 PLUS AND CATCHING UP AND CLOSING THE GAP.

>> YOU HAD KELLY WITH A DOMINANT LEAD AND KELLY HAVING A HUGE FUNDRAISER ADVANTAGE AND OVER TIME, THAT'S ERODING.

NOW IF IT'S OLDER VOTERS, ARE THEY MORE ATUNED TO TELEVISION ADS THAT PORTRAY MARK KELLY WITH THE BORDER AND IT'S ALL HIS FAULT AND IT'S CAUSING THAT SLIPPAGE?

>> Ted: DID THE DEBATE MAKE A DIFFERENCE HERE AND BY ALL ACCOUNTS, MASTERS DID WELL IN THE DEBATE AND IS THAT HELPING SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE?

>> I THINK IT HELPED HIM A LOT WITH THE INSTITUTIONAL SUPPORT AND YOU KNOW, THERE WERE SORT OF SOME -- THERE HAD BEEN RUMBLINGS OF CONCERNS THAT IS BLAKE MASTERS A STRONG ENOUGH CANDIDATE TO PULL THAT OFF AND THAT'S QUIETED DOWN A LITTLE BIT.

THERE'S THE MONEY SPIGOT THAT HAS OPENED UP, NOT ENOUGH TO CLOSE THAT GAP AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE DEBATE HELPED IN THAT WAY FOR SURE.

>> Ted: OK. AND SECRETARY OF STATE RACE, MARK FINCHEM, 44.2, FONTES, 41% AND OF NOTE, 51% STILL UNDECIDED ACCORDING TO HIGH GROUND.

THIS >> THIS WAS ONE -- I DON'T KNOW IF I WAS SURPRISED BY IT, BUT I EXPECTED TO TRACK MORE WITH THE GOVERNOR'S RACE BECAUSE THIS RACE, USUALLY A DOWN-BALLOT RACE LIKE SECRETARY OF STATE PEOPLE VOTE ACCORDING TO AFFILIATION AND THIS RACE IS GETTING A LOT OF ATTENTION AND PEOPLE KNOW WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE, ESPECIALLY FINCHEM WHO STAKED HIS CLAIM AS AN ELECTION DENIER, AT THE JANUARY 6th AND FONTES WANTED TO PORTRAY HIMSELF TO WHATEVER HE DEFINE THIS AND THIS HASN'T MADE TRACTION.

>> Ted: WHAT'S GOING ON, JONATHAN?

>> YOU COMPARE THIS TO THE GOVERNOR, THIS IS GETTING A LOT MORE ATTENTION THAN BEFORE IN THE PAST.

BUT, YOU KNOW, ROTORS VOTERS TUNING IN, THEY'RE LOOKING AT THIS RACE AND THEY'RE NOT THAT CERTAIN.

IT PALES TO THE OTHER TWO RACES.

>> Ted: TALKING ABOUT THE CHIEF ELECTION'S OFFICER AND ONE IS A CANDIDATE DENIER.

>> YOU SPEAK OF THE TEMPERATURE TV AD, THERE ARE ADS THAT PORTRAY HIM IN NOT A GOOD LIGHT.

HE'S FILED SUIT THAT HE HELPED PLAN PROTESTS AROUND THE JANUARY 6th RIOT AT THE CAPITOL AND THAT DOESN'T DISPUTE THAT HE WAS A MEMBER OF THE OATHKEEPERS.

>> Ted: HE'S ACTIVE ON TWITTER AND HE'S JUST AS PROVOCATIVE AS HE'S ALWAYS BEEN AND SEEMS TO BE WORKING FOR HIM.

>> IT DOES.

HE'S NOT SHYING AWAY AND NOT DISAVOWING HIS PAST.

>> Ted: JONATHAN, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S RACE.

CHRIS MAYS IS 32.82, THAT'S A SIZEABLE DIFFERENCE AND UNDECIDED IS 17%.

>> AND, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE THIS IN A LOT OF POLLS THAT AS YOU GO DOWN THE BALLOT AND GET TO THOSE RACES, LESS AND LESS PUBLIC ATTENTION TO AND MORE AND MORE UNDECIDED VOTERS AND SECRETARY OF STATE WAS LESS WELL PUBLICIZED.

>> Ted: ARE YOU SURPRISED BY THIS MARGIN?

>> THE IDEA THAT AS YOU GO DOWN BALLOT, PEOPLE START PICKING PARTIES AND REPUBLICANS SAID I DON'T WANT TO VOTE LAKE AND I'M VOTE HOBBS.

>> Ted: HAHMEDE OVER HOBBS, THAT'S VOTER REGISTRATION?

>> THIS IS MY OWN POLITICAL ANALYSIS, BASED ON HARDLY ANYTHING BUT OLDER PEOPLE MIGHT WATCH MORE TELEVISION AND MIGHT SEE MORE TELEVISION ADS PORTRAY CHRIS MAYS TO NOT STOP AN INVASION ON THE BORDER.

>> Ted: KTVK POLL FROM PUBLIC INSTRUCTION, TOM HORN 33.2 AND HOFFMAN, A 34.2 AND EVERY TIME YOU SEE THE DREAM TEAM OF REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES, HE'S NOT WITH THEM.

>> YEAH, THIS IS A VERY TRANSIENT STATE AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE MOVING HERE QUICKLY AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH TOM HORN'S PAST CONTROVERSIES FROM WHEN HE WAS ATTORNEY GENERAL AND PREVIOUS FROM INSTRUCTION AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE APPROACHING THIS AND NOT A LOT OF INFORMATION OUT THERE AND SO THEY'RE GOING WITH WHAT THEY KNOW AND ONE IS REPUBLICAN AND ONE IS A DEMOCRAT AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE SEEING.

>> Ted: HE DOES HAVE A HISTORY IN ARIZONA.

>> HE HAS NAME I.D.

AND WHETHER THAT'S A POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE FOR SOME PEOPLE AND IF PEOPLE JUST REMEMBER THE NAME, TOM HORN, AND NOT THE CONTROVERSIES HE'S BEEN IN ABOUT BEING ACCUSED OF USING HIS OFFICE, I THINK THAT WENT AWAY AND ACCUSED OF USING HIS OFFICE AS A CAMPAIGN HEADQUARTERS AND THAT WAS AT A GARAGE AND AT A CONDO COMPLEX IN PHOENIX.

HE HAS AN INTERESTING BACK-TORE.

BACK-STORY.

A MIX OF PEOPLE REMEMBERING THAT NAME AND NOT BEING SURE WHAT THEY REMEMBER ABOUT HIM AND NEW PEOPLE MOVING HERE.

THERE ARE BALLOTS SITTING ON LIVING ROOM TABLES UP AND DOWN THE LOOP 101 CORRIDOR OF PEOPLE WHO MAY BE VOTED FOR KAREN TAYLOR-ROBSON AND A LOT WHO DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO IN THESE RACES.

>> Ted: AT THE TOP OF THE BALLOT, IF A REPUBLICAN WOULD BE VOTING FOR A DEMOCRAT, IF YOU WERE A REPUBLICAN VOTER AND YOUR TOP TWO ARE DEMOCRAT, YOU'RE THINKING, I CAN'T KEEP THIS GOING.

>> YEAH, I MEAN, WHEN YOU TALK TO POLITICAL OPERATIVES, THEY TALK ABOUT A PERMISSION STRUCTURE WHERE PEOPLE CROSS THE AISLE AND DO SOMETHING THEY'VE NEVER DONE, THEY REALLY NEED A STRONG PUSH TO DO THAT AND IT'S ONE THING TO CROSS THE AISLE ON ONE OR TWO RACES BUT TO GO STRAIGHT TICKET TO THE PARTY YOU NEVER VOTED FOR, THAT'S A BIG CHANGE.

>> Ted: RICHARD, LET'S GET TO BILL GATES, CLAIMS THEY'RE BEING HARASSED AND ELECTION CENTERED.

>> PEOPLE SITTING OUTSIDE OF THE MARICOPA COUNTY CENTERS EATING PIZZA AND WATCHING PEOPLE PULL UP.

THERE WAS A BIT OF THIS GOING ON IN THE PRIMARIES.

THERE WAS AN EPISODE OF THIS IN AMERICAN LIFE THAT CAPTURED SOME OF THIS OF JUST WATCHING WHAT THEY DEEMED TO BE SUSPICIOUS VEHICLES WHICH ARE PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THEM AND SEEING IF SOMEONE IS SERVING AS A MULE.

THAT SOMEBODY MAY BE DROPPING MORE THAN ONE OR TWO HOUSEHOLD BALLOTS INTO A BOX.

I CAN'T IMAGINE THE STRESS IT TAKES TO BE ON ALERT FOR EVERY VEHICLE WAITING TO SEE IF SOMETHING NEFARIOUS IS GOING ON.

BUT AT LEAST ONE PERSON IN MESA SAID NOT ONLY DID THEY PHOTOGRAPH ME.

I FELT INTIMIDATED AND HARASSED BECAUSE OF WHATEVER REASON AND THAT'S NOT SUBJECT OF INVESTIGATION BECAUSE YOU CAN PHOTOGRAPH PEOPLE IN MANY PLACES, BUT ONE OF THEM IS -- AND THIS IS SUBJECT TO SOME INTERPRETATION FROM THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE -- WHETHER PHOTOGRAPH SOMEONE IN A POLLING PLACE OR SOMEONE DROPPING OFF A BALLOT WOULD BE CONSIDERED INTIMIDATION.

>> THE SECRETARY OF STATE, JONATHAN, IS A REPORT OF INTIMIDATION, THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, AS WELL, AND SAID THAT A MESA DROP OFFICE, THIS GUY AND HIS WIFE, FOLLOWED THEM OUT, CALLED THEM A MULE, AND KEPT VAPING VIDEOTAPING THEM AND SAYING THAT'S NOT RIGHT.

>> CERTAINLY HERE AND ALL OVER THE COUNTRY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THESE SORT OF CONFRONTATION CONFRONTATIONS.

TENS OF THOUSANDS OF BALLOTS THAT HAVE BEEN RETURNED.

KEEP LIGHT THAT WEEP ARE OF THE FACT PEOPLE ARE VOTING WITHOUT INCIDENT, BUT IT'S A CONCERN.

>> THE DROP BOX IS ONE OF THE AVENUES YOU COULD HAVE TO GET YOUR BALLOT INTO THE TABULATORS.

THEY POINTED OUT ON TWITTER THAT EVERY MILLBOX MAILBOX IS A DROP BOX.

IF YOU HAD 20, DROPPING THEM IN A U.S. POST OFFICE OR HAVING YOUR MAIL CARRIER PICK THEM UP IS A VENUE.

>> Ted: STICKING WITH YOU RICHARD, WE HAD A PROBLEM WITH REGISTRATION ERRORS AND UP TO SIX THOUSAND POTENTIAL AND I THINK IT WAS ONE THOUSAND AND THEY GOT THE WRONG BLOTS AND THE FEDERAL-ONLY INSTEAD OF WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO GET.

>> APPARENTLY RUNNING AN ELECTION IS HARD AND DIFFERENT TYPES OF REGISTRATIONS AND SO MANY RACES AND WHERE YOU LIVE, YOU'LL FELT GET A DIFFERENT BALLOT THAN THE PERSON ACROSS THE STREET.

SO HUMANS MAKE ERRORS.

A BUNCH GOT WHAT WERE FEDERAL-ONLY BALLOTS AND IF YOU HAVEN'T PROVEN YOUR CITIZENSHIP AND THIS APPLIES TO A THIMBLE OF PEOPLE STATE-WIDE AND YOU GET THE FEDERAL RAISES AND NOT THE STATE-WIDE.

THERE WAS AN ERROR AND THEY'LL SEND THOSE PEOPLE A NOTIFICATION THAT YOU GOT THE WRONG BALLOT AND YOU'LL GET A NEW BALLOT WITH THE CORRECT RACES ON THEM.

NORMALLY THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS AND IN ANOTHER CYCLE, MAYBE A DECADE AGO, THIS WOULD BE A SMALL STORY.

BUT BECAUSE OF THE ATTENTION ON WHAT APPEARS TO BE PEOPLE ASSUMING THE WORST IN HOW ELECTIONS ARE RUN, PEOPLE ARE SEEING THAT THIS WAS OPPORTUNITY ON PURPOSE OR A THEY NEFARIOUS DEED.

>> Ted: IT'S BEEN CORRECTED AND WHAT DID SHE SAY, LESS THAN A QUARTER OF VOTERS ARE AFFECTED AND AS RICHARD MENTIONED, IT'S BEEN CORRECTED.

DOES THIS IMPACT KATIE HOBBS, DO YOU THINK, AT ALL?

WILL THEY TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY, THEY PROBABLY WEREN'T GOING TO VOTE FOR KATIE HOBBS ANYWAY?

>> KARI LAKE WAS SAYING THAT KATIE HOBBS SHOULD NOT HAVE ANY ROLE IN RUNNING THE ELECTION AS SECRETARY OF STATE BECAUSE SHE'S ON THE BALLOT FOR GOVERNOR AND THERE'S A LONG HISTORY OF SECRETARY OF STATE ON THE BALLOT AND I THINK THIS PLAYS INTO THAT.

>> Ted: IT'S OVER AND IT WAS CAUGHT AND FOUND AND CORRECTED AND DO YOU SEE ANYTHING NEFARIOUS HERE?

>> NOTHING INDICATES IT WAS NEFARIOUS AND PEOPLE WILL HAVE QUESTIONS ON TWITTER AND MARICOPA RECORDER SAYS IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS HOW AN ELECTION IS RUN, COME ON DOWN AND VOLUNTEER.

NEED HELP AND WE NEED THE BODIES AND I'VE SPENT TIME IN THE RECORDER'S OFFICE WATCHING HOW AND NOT ONLY FOR THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF BALLOTS AND THEY HAVE TO GO OUT TO, LIKE, US WHO WILL MARK A BALLOT WITH WITH GLITTER PENS AND YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH US, AS WELL.

SO BEFORE I THINK PEOPLE GAVE ELECTION'S OFFICIALS A BREAK AND THINK THAT MARGIN OF ERROR NOW CLOSE TO ZERO FOR A CERTAIN SEGMENT OF THE POPULATION.

>> I WAS GOING TO POINT OUT JUST BRIEFLY, IT'S WORTH MENTIONING THAT THEY SAY THERE ARE SYSTEMS IN PLACE FOR PEOPLE WHO GET A SECOND BALLOT BECAUSE THE FIRST IS INCORRECT, ONLY ONE WILL GET COUNTED AND THEY HAVE SENSORS FOR THAT.

>> SO THEY SAY.

>> Ted: NO CHICAGO VOTING SYSTEM HERE.

[ Laughter ] >> Ted: BUREAU OF RECLAMATION IN THE BORDER WALL CONTROVERSY AND SAYING KNOCK IT OFF AND THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE SAID, OH, YEAH?

WE'LL SEE YOU.

>> THIS IS FRONT CONFRONTATION BETWEEN THE DUCEY ADMINISTRATION AND DOG DOUG DUCEY HIMSELF AND THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION.

WE SAW IT WHERE THE GOVERNOR SAID -- THE COVID MONEY CAN GO TO SCHOOLS THAT HAVE MASK MANDATES AND THAT'S TESTING THE BOUNDARIES OF THE LAW.

>> THE SHIPPING CONTAINERS WERE PLACED ALONG THE BORDER AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS SAYING, WAIT, WE WANTED TO PUT A WALL THERE SO PLEASE REMOVE THOSE TO FINISH THE WALL AND DUCEY POINTED TO A PROVISION OF THE CONSTITUTION TO SAY WE AS A STATE HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEFEND OURSELVES.

WHAT WE'RE DEFENDING OURSELVES AGAINST IS PEEPING SEEKING ASYLUM COMING IN AND TESTING THE TESTING HOW MUCH A SYSTEM CAN HANDLE, HOW MANY PEOPLE THEY CAN HOUSE AND THAT'S GOING TO AND BATTLE.

>> THE LEGAL ARGUMENT, I SKIMMED THE LAWSUIT AND IT'S TRYING TO SKIM A PROCLAMATION BY TEDDY ROOSEVELT THAT IS FEDERALLY CONTROLLED AND ASKING THE JUDGE TO THROW IT OUT.

>> Ted: THEY WANT TO TAKE DOWN THE TEMPORARY BARRIER TO PUT UP WHAT IS PLANNED TO BE TEMPORARY BARRIER.

>> AND HE'S SAYING ESSENTIALLY, WHEN YOU GET READY TO BUILD, WHEN THE CONTRACTORS ARE IN PLACE, WE'LL COME REMOVE THE SHIPPING CONTAINERS AND WHAT YOU'RE BUILDING WON'T BE PERMANENT EITHER.

>> Ted: IS WHAT THE GOVERNMENT DOING SIMILAR TO WHAT KARI LAKE BANDING TOGETHER BORDER STATES TO DECLARE AN INVASION AND TAKE ACTION ON STATE'S PART WITHOUT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S APPROVAL?

>> WHEN KARI LAKE DECLARES AN INVASION, WHAT SHE'S POINTING TO IS THIS PROVISION IN THE STATE CONSTITUTION THAT SAYS, THE STATE HAS THE RIGHT TO DEFEND ITSELF.

SO WHAT STEPS ARE TAKEN AFTER THAT IS NOT CLEAR, BUT I MEAN, IT'S ESSENTIALLY INVOKING A WAR POWER'S ACT.

>> I MEAN, THERE'S A SIMILARITY, I THINK, THIS TRYING TO PUSH SORT OF THE BOUNDARIES OF THE LAW TO DO NEW THINGS ON BORDER SECURITY AND HAVE THAT CONFRONTATION WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THERE'S A SIMILARITY THERE AND KARI LAKE IS TALKING ABOUT TAKING A LARGE STEP BEYOND WHAT DUCEY IS DOING BEYOND A WALL ON THE BORDER.

TALKING ABOUT LAW ENFORCEMENT TO REMOVE PEOPLE FROM THE COUNTRY WHICH HAS BEEN A FEDERAL THING.

>> Ted: QUOTE, UNQUOTE, DEFEND AN INVASION.

GENTLEMEN, GREAT CONVERSATION AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

AND THAT IS IT FOR NOW.

I'M TED SIMONS AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US AND YOU HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND!

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