>>> COMING UP NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON.

IT'S THE JOURNALIST ROUND TABLE.

IT'S THE WEEK TOP STORY.

GOVERNOR HOBBSS REVOKES GROUND WATER DEAL WITH THE SAUDI ARABIAN COMPANY.

>>> GOOD EVENING, WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

I'M TED SIMONS.

IT'S FRIDAY SO IT'S TIME FOR THE JOURNALIST ROUND TABLE.

JOINING US IS MARY JOE.

BOB KRISTIE AND CAMERON SANCHEZ FROM THE CAPITOL TIME.

BOB IS JOINING US FROM ZOOM.

WE WILL START WITH YOU MARY JOE.

THE GOVERNOR CANCELS THE DEAL I EVEN, TALK TO US ABOUT THIS.

>> THIS IS NOT A SURPRISE GIVEN THE FEAR OUT THERE OVER THE GROUND WATER LEASE BY THE STATE LAND DEPARTMENT BY THE SAUDI ARABIAN COMPANY.

THE REPORT FIRST DONE IN OUR PAPER THE ARIZONA REPUBLIC LAST YEAR.

THE SAUDIS WERE LEASING THE LAND AT A BARGAIN BASEMENT PRICE.

THEY COULD DRAW AS MUCH GROUND WATER AS THEY NEEDED FOR ALFALFA CROPS TO PROVIDE HAY FEED.

THEY ARE EXPLOITING OUR WATER.

WHEN THEY CAME TO LIGHT A LOT OF FEAR.

IT BECAME A CAMPAIGN ISSUE IN 2023.

IT TOOK A WHILE FOR THE GOVERNOR TO GET THROUGH ALL OF THE Ps AN Qs OF THE CONTRACT.

SHE FOUND SHE HAD THE LEGAL BASIS TO REVOKE IT.

WE WILL SEE IF THAT STANDS.

THEY SAID THEY WOULD REPEAL.

>> AS MARY JO MENTIONED UNDER MARKET RATE AND NO MONITORING OF THE WATER USAGE.

>> ABSOLUTELY NO MONITORING.

THEY WERE ASKED TO REPORT ON HOW MUCH WATER THEY WERE PUMPING.

THEY REFUSED TO DO SO.

THEY FINALLY DID IT THIS YEAR.

FAR TOO LATE SHE HAD TO REVOKE THIS.

AS MARY JO SAID IF IT STANDS OR NOT IS THE QUESTION.

THERE HAS BEEN REPORTING BY MARY JOs AND THE WASHINGTON POST IF THEY LOSE THEIR LEASE THE STATE MAY HAVE TO COMPENSATE THEM FOR THEIR IMPROVEMENTS.

HOW COSTLY THAT IS, I DON'T KNOW.

I THINK, REGARDLESS IN THE END THE GOVERNOR DECIDED IT WAS CHEAPER TO CANCEL IT AND SAVE THE WATER.

>> I THINK JUDGING FROM WHAT I READ AND UNDERSTAND THIS WAS A TECHNICALITY.

LIQUIDS WEREN'T STORED PROPERLY AND THEY DID NOTHING ABOUT IT.

IS THAT COVER FOR WE JUST WANT IT OVER WITH.

>> THE OTHER THING THEY DEFAULTED ON THE LEASE AND A GOOD EXCUSE TO END THE PARTNERSHIP.

IT WASN'T JUST THEM.

THEY WEREN'T BEING TARGETED.

THEY WEREN'T GOING AFTER ANY SPECIFIC COUNTRY OR ENTITY OR COUNTRY.

NOW THE QUESTION IS WHAT WILL BE DONE WITH THE LAND AND WILL THE NEXT COMPANY COME USE THE SAME AMOUNT OF WATER AND DID WE SOLVE ANYTHING.

>> WE HAD WATER PEOPLE HERE ALL OF THE TIME THIS IS GROUND WATER.

THIS IS PRECIOUS STUFF A AND IN AN AREA WHERE THE WATER HAS BEEN THOUGHT OF IN RESERVE FOR MAYOR MAJOR METRO POLTANE AREAS.

>> THAT'S THE INTENT OF THE WATER IF REVOKED LEASE STANDS.

IT WON'T FLOW TO THE URBAN AREAS OR RURAL AREA BUT KEEP IT AS A RESERVE WHEN TIMES GET BAD.

>> THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SAID THIS IS WITHIN HER RIGHTS TO DO THIS.

CAN SHE CANCEL THE LEASE?

>> WELL, THIS LEASE, LIKE CAMRYN SAID SHE USED A TECHNICALITY.

THERE ARE FOUR LEASES THEY HAD.

THE OTHER THREE EXPIRE AT THE END OF NEXT YEAR.

ON THE OTHER THREE OF THE FOUR EXPIRE NEXT YEAR.

THEY CAN LET THOSE LAPSE.

THERE SHOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM THERE.

THIS ONE THERE MIGHT BE A FIGHT.

IT DEPENDS ON THE POLITICS THE COURTS WILL PROBABLY GET INVOLVED.

THEY WILL GO TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE OF THE COURTS.

AS TO THE BASIN.

THIS IS ONE OF THREE GROUND WATER BASINS THAT HOLD HUGE VOLUMES OF WATER UNDERGROUND.

LIKE I SAY, SINCE AT LEAST 1980 THEY RELIED UPON THIS AS THE BACK-UP PLAN FOR METROPOLITAN PHOENIX AND TUCSON.

AS WE ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE COLORADO RIVER WATER SUPPLY BEING CUT.

>> THEY MENTIONED THE POLITICS.

WHAT ARE THE POLITICS?

ARE PEOPLE RUSHING TO DEFEND THE COUNTRY OR GOVERNOR OR COMPANY?

>> I HAVE SEEN PEOPLE STANDING BACK A BIT.

PUBICITY WISE SHE CAN SAY SHE SOLVED A PRISON.

PEOPLE WEREN'T PLEASED OF A COMPANY TAKING WATER UNBE UNCHECKED AND BENEFITING SOMEWHERE ELSE.

>> I THINK THE FACT THAT IT'S GROUND WATER.

THAT SEEMS DIFFERENT FROM CAP OR SRP.

IT FEELS WRONG THE WATER HAS BEEN HERE FOR SO LONG AND OUT-OF-STATE ENTITY.

>> IT'S A FINITE RESOURCE.

IT TAKES A LONG TIME TO RECHARGE.

IT WAS BELOW MARKET RATE, COULD ANY ARIZONA COMPANY GET THAT KIND OF DEAL?

>> I DON'T THINK THAT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN FOR ANYBODY.

>>Reporter: CAMRYN BACK TO YOU.

KERRY LAKE IS RUNNING FOR SENATE.

>> I THINK SHE FILED WITH NO INTEREST.

IT'S OFFICIAL.

IT'S HAPPENING.

SHE CONFRONTED HER OPPONENT.

>> WHAT WAS THAT ABOUT?

>> THEY GOT OFF THE PLANE.

THEY HAD BEEN ON THE PLANE TOGETHER AND HAD HER CAMERA CREW AND CAME AFTER HIM AND SAID I'D BEAT YOU.

SHE WAS TRYING TO TALK ABOUT WORKING TOGETHER AND SHE SAID NO, I WOULDN'T WORK WITH YOU I'LL DESTROY YOU.

A CLASSIC LAKE MOMENT.

>> YOU KNOW, HE'S NOT ONE TO SHY AWAY.

HE WON'T TREAT KERRY LAKE THE SAME WAY KATY HOBBS DID.

LAKE STARTED THIS BY TWEETING AT HIM.

HEY, I'M ON THE SAME PLANE.

WHY NOT COME BACK FROM YOUR FIRST CLASS SEAT AND TALK TO ME.

POINTING OUT MAN OF THE PEOPLE VERSES A PRIVILEGED REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE.

>> HE'S A COMBAT TESTED MARINE WHO SPENT TIME IN OVER SEAS DURING THE HEIGHT OF THE IRAQ WAR.

THAT'S JUST PART OF HIS ABILITIES AND EVERYONE KIND OF WATCHES HIS SNARK.

HE'S NOT AFRAID TO USE CUSSWORDS IN TWEETS AND DO THINGS YOU WOULDN'T NORMALLY DO AS A POLITICIAN.

HE'S NOT AFRAID TO STAND UP FOR HIMSELF OR ENGAGE WITH ANYONE.

HE HAS WORKED REALLY HARD TO CONNECT WITH OTHER REPUBLICANS.

HE ANNOUNCED HIS CAMPAIGN AT A VETERANS GROUP FULL OF REPUBLICANS.

IT WILL BE AN INTERESTING RACE AS IT DEVELOPS.

WE WILL HAVE TO SEE WHAT CINEMA DOES.

>> INDEED.

>> MARK, HE'S A LAKE SUPPORTER.

I'M SORRY.

I HAVEN'T HEARD MUCH FROM HIM SINCE HE STARTED HIS CAMPAIGN.

WHEN LAKE DOES ANYTHING IT MAKES A HUGE SPLASH WHETHER IT'S HAVING AN ARGUMENT AT SKY HARBOR OR TRIP TO IOWA.

FOR THE CAMPAIGN, HE'S NOT GENERATING ENOUGH BUZZ IN GENERAL.

>> AGAIN, STICKING WITH THIS, DOES THIS SUGGEST SHE'S NO LONGER CONSIDERED A RUNNING MATE FOR DONALD TRUMP.

>> I GET THAT IMPRESSION.

HOW CAN YOU BE THE GOVERNOR, SENATOR, AND VICE PRESIDENT AT THE SAME TIME.

>> THIS RAISES THE POINT THAT LAKE HAS PROCLAIMED HERSELF THE DUALLY ELECTED GOVERNOR OF ARIZONA.

NO ONE ELSE HAS.

WILL SHE RESIGN THAT POSITION.

I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT WORKS OUT AND WHAT WILL THIS DO WITH HERE LEGAL BATTLE THAT'S STILL ONGOING.

I EXPECT HER TO LET THAT PLAY OUT IN THE COURTS.

>>> EVEN IF YOU RESIGN FROM NOTHING YOU HAVE TO RESIGN?

>> YES, SHE HAS TO RESIGN.

IT HAS TO BE IN THE LAST YEAR OF YOUR TERM.

IT'S AN INTERESTING THOUGHT BUBBLE.

>> LAST POINT ON THIS.

CAN WE EXPECT TO SEE KERRY LAKE AT ALL PROVIDED -- WILL THERE BE REPUBLICAN OPPOSITION.

>> I THINK SHE CLEARS THE FIELD QUICKLY.

>> IF THAT HAPPENS DOES SHE TACK TOWARDS THE CENTER AND IF SO, HOW?

>> I DON'T SEE HER DOING THAT.

IT'S NOT IN ANYTHING SHE'S SHOWN US.

THE CONVERSATION SHE HAD YESTERDAY AT SKY HARBOR THAT CAMERON MENTIONED IT'S PRETTY CLEAR SHE WILL BE THE KERRY LAKE WE SAW IN THE 2022 GOVERNORS RACE.

IF SHE -- I MEAN, THAT'S WHY SHE LOST.

SHE DIDN'T TACT TO THE CENTER.

I DON'T KNOW, I'D BE SURPRISED IF SHE DID.

MAYBE SHE HAS SOME GOOD WHEN I WHISPERING IN HER EAR THIS TIME.

>> HER ENTRY INTO THE RACE OPENS UP.

WE TALK ABOUT TALKING TO THE CENTER.

IT'S LEAVING THE CENTER OPEN FOR SENATOR CINEMA.

SHE'S BEEN AN INDEPENDENT SINCE THE FIRST OF THE YEAR.

SHE CAN PLAY OFF THE LEFT AND RIGHT AND SAY HERE I AM IN THE MIDDLE.

THIS IS MY LIST OF ACCOMPLISHMENTS.

I KNOW DEMOCRATS DON'T LIKE ME AND TOO LIBERAL FROM SOME REPUBLICANS.

FOR ALL OF YOU IN THE MIDDLE.

>> SHE LIKES TO SAY THE EXTREMIST ON THE RIGHT OR LEFT.

THEY CAN'T GET OUT OF THE AIRPORT WITHOUT YELLING AT EACH OTHER.

>> SHE WASN'T AT THE AIRPORT.

>> SHE MIGHT HAVE BEEN THERE.

>> MAYBE SHE FLIES PRIVATE.

>> ALL RIGHT, MARY JO, THE IDEA OF KEEPING DONALD TRUMP OFF THE BALLET BECAUSE HE'S INVOLVED IN SOMEWAY SHAPE OR FORM WITH JANUARY 6th.

THIS HAS BEEN FLOATING AROUND OUT HERE.

WHERE DOES IT STAND IN ARIZONA?

>> IT WON'T HAPPEN UNLESS THE COURTS GET INVOLVED.

THERE IS AN ISSUE WITH THE 14th AMENDMENT SECTION 3 SAYS IF YOU HELD PUBLIC OFFICE AND INVOLVED IN PROMOTING, ETC OR PARTICIPATING IN INSURRECTION YOU ARE DISQUALIFIED.

THERE HAVE BEEN LEGAL SCHOLARS THAT SAID, THIS IS DONALD TRUMP.

THEY HAVE SENT LETTERS TO SECRETARIES OF STATE SAYING YOU HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO FOLLOW THIS AMENDMENT.

OFFICIALLY HE SEEMED TO SAY, I'M NOT SURE.

I'M OPEN TO THIS.

IT'S AN OPEN QUESTION.

WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS HE STUDIED IT AND FOUND A PROVISION IN STATE LAW THAT HE SAYS HANDCUFFS HIM.

YOU CAN GET ON THE ON THE BALLET.

IF THEY APPLY AND MEET THE AGE AND NATURAL BORN CITIZEN REQUIREMENTS AND QUALIFIED IN TWO OTHER STATES.

EIGHT STATES HAVE THEIR PRESIDENTIAL PREFERENTIAL ELECTION BEFORE THE DECEMBER 11th DEADLINE AND SURLY TRUMP WILL BE ON THERE.

>> BOB, HE'S BASICALLY SAYING I DON'T HAVE A CHOSE.

KATY HOBBS SAID, AS SECRETARY OF STATE IT'S THE LAW.

TRUE?

>> BOTH OF THEM SAY.

KATY HOBBS SAID A FEW WEEKS AGO SHE WOULDN'T GET INVOLVED AND IT'S UP TO THE COURTS.

FONTEZ SAID HIS HANDS ARE TIED AS WELL.

WE HAD A COURT CASE WHERE A NATIONAL GROUP TRIED TO KEEP ANDY AND MARK OFF THE BALLET UNDER THE SAME 14th AMENDMENT ARGUMENT.

THERE WAS A HEARING HERE IN ARIZONA THAT I COVERED AT THE TIME.

THE JUDGE SAID LISTEN, THERE IS NO ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM UNDER THE 14th AMENDMENT IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN CONVICTED.

IN OTHER WORDS, THERE WAS SOME AVERAGE CITIZENS TRYING TO USE IT.

THE JUDGE SAID UNLESS THERE IS A CONVICTION CONGRESS PUT IN PLACE NO ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM.

IT LEAVES IT UP TO, UNDER THIS JUDGES RULING, MR. TRUMP WOULD HAVE TO BE CONVICTED.

ONCE CONVICTED MAYBE THE 14th AMENDMENT KICKS IN.

IT WILL BE LITIGATED ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND ONE JUDGE IN ARIZONA WHO KNOWS IF HE THOUGHTS OR RULINGS ARE WHAT WILL PROVAIL.

>> ALSO WE HAVE A DARK HORSE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE JOHN ANTHONY FILED A LAWSUIT SITING THE 14th AMENDMENT SAYING HEY, YOU HAVE TO KNOCK HIM OFF.

HE DOESN'T MEET THE REQUIREMENTS.

THAT'S IN U.S. DISTRICT COURT.

THERE WILL BE A HEARING AT THE END OF THE MONTH.

>> THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THIS COULD CHANGE, THROUGH THE COURT.

>> THAT'S WHAT THE GOVERNOR, CURRENT SECRETARY OF STATE IS SAYING.

FOR THE PEOPLE, I FORGET THE NAME OF THE GROUP THAT BROUGHT THE SUIT TWO YEARS AGO.

THEY ARE SAYING NO.

WE SHALL SEE.

>> POLITICALLY, FONTEZ CAN'T GO TOO FAR.

>> THAT MAKES SENSE IF THERE IS A LEGAL QUESTION THE COURTS SHOULD HANDLE IT.

I THINK HE'S DOING THE CORRECT THING SAYING HE HAS TO STAY WAITING FOR A MEANS TO CAPTURE THAT.

>> WHEN THEY RUN FOR OFFICE EVERYONE HAS AN OPINION.

>> WE HAD ARIZONA HOUSE MEMBERS VOTING TO TELL THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE KEVIN McCARTHY TO GET OUT OF HERE.

THERE WERE EIGHT REPUBLICANS WHO WANTED TO GET RID OF THEIR OWN SPEAKER AND TWO FROM ARIZONA.

>> SOMETIMES THE U.S. CONGRESS REMINDS ME OF THE ARIZONA STATE LEGISLATURE.

WE ARE TALKING A MORE FEDERAL SITUATION.

WE HAVE THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE OUSTED AND REPUBLICANS ATTACKING REPUBLICANS.

DEMOCRATS JUST SORT OF ENJOYING THEMSELVES AND, YOU KNOW, PUTTING THEIR VOTES INTO THE MIX.

WE HAD SOME ARIZONA MEMBERS BEING SORT OF THE FARTHER RIGHT MEMBERS IF WE CAN SAY THAT.

>> YES.

>> JOINING IN THE GROUP TO OUST FORMER SPEAKER MCCARTHY.

>> ARE YOU SURPRISED THEY VOTED AGAINST HIM?

>> THE FREEDOM CAUCUS AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, GOING SO FAR AS TO THROW THE CONGRESS INTO CHAOS THAT NEVER HAPPENED IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES.

A SITTING SPEAKER THROWN OFF THE CHAIR, THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES.

IT CREATES A HUGE PROBLEM.

IN ADDITION TO THE FACT, WE ARE ON A TEMPORARY CONTINUING RESOLUTION ON THE FEDERAL BUDGET.

IF THEY DON'T GET A FULL BUDGET PASSED WITHIN THE NEXT THREE WEEKS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WILL SHUTDOWN.

OF COURSE, MR. MCCARTHY, HIS LAST, YOU KNOW, THE DEFINING MOMENT FOR WHY THEY DECIDED TO THROW HIM OUT IS BAUDS HE WORKED WITH DEMOCRATS TO GET A TEMPORARY BUDGET BILL PASSED.

I HAVE KNOWN KEVIN McCARTHY FOR MORE THAN 30 YEARS.

HE WAS IN BAKERSFIELD AND HE WAS THE DISTRICT DIRECTOR FOR CONGRESSMAN HERE AT THAT TIME.

I WAS PRETTY SURPRISED HE WASN'T ABLE TO PULL THIS OFF.

ALSO THE LAST TWO YEARS OF HIS CAREER IT'S BEEN UNUSUAL TO WATCH AS HE BECAME MORE POSIT LIT POLITICAL.

HE'S BEEN A FAIRLY STEADY AND GOOD AT COALITIONS.

HE COULDN'T KEEP HIS OWN CAUCUS TOGETHER.

>> BIGS AND CRANE, WHAT DOES THIS DO?

CREEMENT THEIR POSITIONS?

I WONDER ABOUT BIGS AS WELL?

WHAT IS HE DOING BESIDES SAYING NO.

>> MCCARTHY WAS CUTTING DEALS WITH DEMOCRATS THAT LIKE TO SPEND.

THEY WANT TO CUT THE BUDGET.

THE SPENDING IS OUT OF CONTROL.

THE DEBT AMOUNT IS OUT OF CONTROL.

YOU KNOW, ARGUABLY THAT HAVE A POSITION TO TAKE ON THIS.

THEY HAVE TO GET RID OF HIM AND GET SOMEONE IN THAT WILL STICK TO A STRICTER FISCAL CONSERVATIVE APPROACH TO GOVERNMENT.

25% OF THE PEOPLE THAT VOTED, THE REPUBLICANS THAT VOTED TO OUST MCCARTHY ARE FROM ARIZONA.

YO YOU CAN SAY ARIZONA IS PUNCHING THE WEIGHT.

THEY HAVE THEIR REASONS.

THESE GUYS WON'T BE MOVED.

THEY DIDN'T VOTE FOR THEM BACK IN JANUARY FOR 15 VOTES.

>> THESE ARE GUYS THAT WOULD WELCOME A TEMPORARY SHUTDOWN.

>> MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD UPSET THE VOTERS IN THE DISTRICTS THAT VOTED FOR THEM THE LAST TIME AROUND.

OH, I CAN'T VOTE FOR THEM BASED ON WHAT THEY DID TO MCCARTHY BECAUSE HE CAN REPRESENT A TRAITOR FIGURE AND DEMOCRATS DON'T TRUST HIM, HE'S A REPUBLICAN.

HE WAS IN A LOSE/LOSE SITUATION.

>> WHAT ABOUT COMBINING THE MCCARTHY VOTE WITH THE GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN VOTE?

>> WE ARE NOT THERE YET.

THEY CAN STILL BLAME EVERYONE ELSE.

>> THEY DIDN'T VOTE NO,.

>> DOES IT MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

>> I DON'T THINK SO FOR MR. CRANE.

HIS DISTRICT IS SOLIDLY RID.

MR. BIGS IS PRETTY SOLID IN HIS DISTRICT.

THERE WAS A LOT OF TALK IF HE'S PRIMARY THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD EMPHASIS FOR IT.

THE DISTRICT HAS CHANGED A BIT IT'S NOT QUIET AS HARD REDDIT WILL TAKE SOMEONE THAT CAN CONNECT TO VOTERS.

>>> WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT AID FOR THE ATTORNEY GENERAL THAT HAD A MONTH LEFT TO WORK AND SAID I'LL TAKE TIME OFF.

>> THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THAT HAPPENED BUT THIS WAS AMY THAT EXITED THE ATTORNEY GENERALS OFFICE.

SAID SEE YOU LATER AND STAYED ON FOR A FEW MORE WEEKS AFTER THE ANNOUNCEMENT WAS MADE.

ACCORDING TO RESEARCH BY OTHER REPORTERS DIDN'T COME INTO WORK BUT STILL GETTING PAID PLENTY DURING THE LAST FEW WEEKS.

>> STACY OF THE ARIZONA GROUP.

IN FOUR WEEKS HE SENT ONE E-MAIL AND BARELY SHOWED UP AT THE OFFICE.

>> WE DON'T KNOW THE REASONS FOR THIS.

I CAN'T IMAGE, THE CHIEF OF STAFF FOR THE ATTORNEY GENERAL FOR SIX MONTHS.

YOU CAN'T ACCRUE THAT MUCH VACATION TO YOU KNOW GET COMPENSATED FOR YOUR UNUSED VACATION.

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WON'T SPEAK ABOUT IT.

AMY IS NOT TALKING.

YOU ARE LEFT WITH WHATEVER EVIDENCE FROM E-MAILS AND PHONE RECORDS.

>> BOB, IS THAT UNUSUAL IN STATE GOVERNMENT.

>>> STEPHANE WHO WORKED FOR THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN IN 2016 WAS ON A LEAVE OF ANSWER SENSE FROM HER POSITION AS SPOKESWOMAN FROM THE ARIZONA HOUSE REPUBLICAN.

AFTER THE ELECTION, THEY PUT HER BACK ON FULL-TIME WORKING.

SHE NEVER SHOWED UP.

SHE GOT TWO MONTHS OF PAY.

THAT'S PRETTY HANDSOME MONEY.

SO, IT HAS HAPPENED BEFORE.

I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT FREQUENT.

WHAT SURPRISED ME, WE DON'T KNOW YET WHY AMY LOVE WAS APPARENTLY PUSHED OUT OF HER ROLE AS CHIEF OF STAFF FOR THE ATTORNEY GENERAL FOR CHRIS MAIZE.

SHE'S BEEN AROUND GOVERNMENT FOR A LONG TIME.

SOMETHING HAPPENED.

THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW.

>> WE DON'T KNOW THAT, DO WE.

IF YOU HAVE ANY IDEAS YOU KNOW WHERE TO REACH US.

>> LAST TOPIC BEFORE WE GET OUT OF HERE.

AN AUDIT WAS DONE ON SPENDING AND SUPER BOWL TICKETS.

A LOT OF THIS GOING TO BUSINESSES TO WOE THEM TO ARKANSAS.

IS THAT UNUSUAL.

>> NOT SO MUCH.

WE GOT A LOT OF MONEY FROM THE SUPER BOWL.

IT WAS GREAT FOR THE ECONOMY AND SPENT A FEW MILLION SCHMOOZING BUSINESS PEOPLE THAT CAME HERE FOR THE EVENT OR AROUND THE EVENT AND WANTED TO BRAIN DAMAGE THIS TO ARIZONA WINING AND DINING THEM.

HOBBS'S PEOPLE ACCEPTED TICKETS AND ACCEPTED GIFTS OR BRIBES.

>> ALSO HOW MUCH YOU ARE GIVING OUT YOU BETTER GET THAT MUCH OR THE GIFT CLAUSE COME INTO PLAY.

>> OVER WHAT TIME PERIOD DO YOU MEASURE THAT?

YOU BRING A CEO OUT HERE AND YOU WATCH THE SUPER BOWL AND IT'S BEAUTIFUL WEATHER AND IT'S FEBRUARY IN PHOENIX AND THE ORANGE BLOSSOMS ARE STARTING AND BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

SO, IT'S PLANTING SEEDS AND IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO DO A STUDY TO FIND OUT WHICH COMPANIES WERE WINED AND DINED AND YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY MADE A MOVE WHERE DID THEY GO.

>> GOVERNORS NOT HAVING ANY PART OF THIS BEING PROBLEMATIC?

>> THIS WAS A DECISION TO BE A SPONSOR OF THE SUPER BOWL AND SPENDING MONEY ON THIS EVENT.

THE CONGRESS AUTHORITY GOT $100 MILLION TO GIVE OUT IN INCENTIVES TO EXPAND IN ARIZONA AND HIRE NEW EMPLOYEES.

THEY ARE DRIPPING OUT MONEY LEFT AND RIGHT AND WANT TO DO MORE OF THAT.

THEY WANT MORE BUSINESSES AND MORE INTEL AND MORE MICROCOMPUTER MANUFACTURING FACILITIES.

ALL OF THE SUPPORTING ONES THAT COME WITH IT.

THEY BELIEVE THIS IS A GOOD DEAL FOR THE TAXPAYERS.

THEY MIGHT NOT SHOW IT TOMORROW THEY WERE SUCCESSFUL BUT IT'S A GOOD THING.

>> WHO IS AGAINST THIS?

ARE THERE DIVIDING LINES HERE?

IS IT BASICALLY WHAT?

>> WE KEEP POINTING IT OUT MEDIA IS POINTING IT OUT.

IT WAS DENNIS AT A CONFERENCE THAT ASKED HOBBS IF SHE WOULD LET PEOPLE ACCEPT TICKETS AGAIN.

SHE SAID IT WAS PART OF A PACKAGE.

IT'S A QUESTION OF ACCOUNTABILITY AND HOBBSS CRITICS WHOEVER IS NOT A FAN OF HER IS MORE THAN HAPPY TO PUT IT IN THE LIMELIGHT.

THERE IS NOT MUCH OF A PUSH.

>> OKAY, WE WILL STOP IT RIGHT THERE.

THAT'S IT FOR NOW.

I'M TED SIMONS.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US AND HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.